Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
If you read what you wrote, there is an implied contract in force once you say you will pay me $100 and you let me start building the dog house. OTOH, if you offer me the $100 and I come back next week and say I accept your offer, you can say you changed your mind, there is no contract until both parties agree at the same time, otherwise they are just negotiating. Now states have passed laws that if you advertise something at a certain price you have to sell at that price, but I have never heard of it being enforced on individuals, and in any event it only applies to the specific situations addressed by the statute law. If there is such a thing as a unilateral contract, it can also be withdrawn unilaterally, so is not a binding contract at all. I use this concept for my model releases. The subject grants me permission to use their likeness. The permission being what you would call an unilateral contract can be withdrawn at any time by the subject. I am only protected for using the likeness between the time they give me the permission and the time they withdraw the permission. In case of professional models, or controversial images I would use the ASMP long form model release and make at least a token payment. That would be a binding contract, and could not be withdrawn unless both parties agreed to it. Since we are getting down into the nitty gritty of law here let me say I am not an attorney, and there are always special cases of law that override general principles. So before you depend on what I or others on this list say, consult an attorney regarding your specific case. --Tom Bucky wrote: A unilateral contract is something like me saying, If you build me a doghouse, I'll pay you $100. Once you have completed the doghouse, or even embarked (in a non-trivial way) upon building it, the offer is deemed accepted and I would be bound. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Brogden Sent: April 23, 2001 10:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Bucky wrote: Yes, there is. A unilateral contract is a contract for which performance of a condition constitutes acceptance. Unilateral refers not to the number of parties involved, but rather o the fact that once the offer is out there, the vendor (or offeror) has ceased to have legal discretion in the matter - if it is accepted, a binding contract crystallizes. There is ample jurisprudence in English, Canadian, and US jurisdictions dealing with the subject. Then there's the matter of acceptance. Could it be that the seller is saying, I want to sell this lens for this price to someone, and that it is the *buyer* who makes the offer to purchase it, which the seller must choose to accept or not? eBay rules let sellers cancel bidders' bids if they want to, suggesting that it is ultimately the seller who must accept the buyer's offer. Sellers have the right to refuse to accept an offer. Just something more to think about. :) chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fungus question
I once removed fungus from a A-24/2.8. It was one of the central elements that was infected. I used a lineup of three baths with acetone, alcohol+dishwasher detergent and water. That worked well. But in the end I screwed the whole thing by drying it with lens tissue. I swear it was clean from the packet, but still it scratched the element. :-(( I really wonder if that element was made of ordinary optical glass. I know calcium fluorite is much softer than glass and that it's used in lenses, so that's where my suspicion goes. Jostein - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
I think the silliness Todd was referring to was the suggestion that a seller after advertising a price is obliged to sell at that price. A view previously claimed by myself amongst others. Say your employer asked you to move home to a new posting. You advertise your home for sale. A few weeks later your employer says that the move is no longer necessary as a similar post has arisen locally. If in the meantime an offer has been made on your home at the advertised price are you obliged to sell?. I don't think so - unless you have drawn up formal contracts you can withdraw from the transaction. I know that the value of items talked about here is less but the principle of advertising to Test the water is commonly adopted. Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Frank Theriault Sent: 24 April 2001 03:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase Hi, Todd, I don't think this is silly at all! Many people on this list buy and sell stuff on eBay and to and from others on this list all the time, and I think it's a good thing for folks to know their rights and responsibilities. You're quite right, that if a purchaser gets screwed over by a vendor, there's not much he/she can do about it. If a vendor changes his mind, he can certainly say, I've already sold it, or whatever, but that doesn't make the vendor right. If I, as a potential purchaser, feel that I've been screwed over, I'm not going to go to court, but I'm never going to deal with that seller again, and I'm certainly going to tell everyone I know about my experience with that seller, including communicating on lists like this one. So, I think that it's all for the better if both sellers and vendors know what's morally and legally expected of them, and discussing grey areas like this one are a valuable exercise, imho. regards, frank Todd Stanley wrote: This is just plain silly. Placing an ad in the paper, etc. doesn't force anyone to sell anything. The person selling can withdraw the item for sale at any time - and what is a buyer going to do about it? Even on eBay a seller can cancel all the bids and terminate any active item listed for whatever reason he wants, only after the auction ends does it turn into a contract where the seller has to sell the item at the final bid (assuming the reserve is met if there is one) Todd - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fungus question
Mark Roberts wrote: Here's the method that's worked for me: Disassemble the lens (how's that for an oversimplified step 1?) Remove the element(s) etc. On a similar note - I have a 35-70 AF zoom from my SFXn which shows what I would describe a small bubbles just behind the front element. Is this what is known as separation and is it repairable or do I just scrap the lens? Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: Re: KMP lens of the week [2]
Yep, scary, isn't it? Petit Miam wrote: So no married people then? ;) Hey, that's what I wrote a couple of days ago! Must be the Aussie/NZ link...we even think alike! fairy. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Old Cameras, Old Lenses, Old Emulsions
Just wondering if anyone has a link for dating (working out age of) Spotmatics. I am curious to know if mine is older than me. I think it probably is :) Then I can tease it about being an old fogey. Jody. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
lens of the week: F 50/2.8 Macro
Hi, I had forgotten the existance of the F lens, sorry. SMC-F 50/2.8 Macro What is your opinion of this lens? Is it any good? What do you use it for? What do you like about it? How well built is it? How is the lens handling (weight, size, etc.)? How about optical qualities: resolution, contrast, color, distortion, bokeh, light fall-off, etc.? Can you make a better picture of it than the one that I already have on the KMP? Is there any piece of information about the lens that I am missing that you can provide? Please post your answers to the PDML. TIA, Boz -- _\\|//_ Imagination is more important than knowledge... 0(` O-O ')0 A. Einstein ===ooO=(_)=Ooo=== Bojidar D. Dimitrov author and editor, Pentax K-Mount web page [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/ = __ __ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax related news - MR-52?
Could it be the MR-52 is an in-house product designation (like the KB-numbers)and not a model name? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fungus question
You would want something that would kill the fungus, or it will just grow back. I don't know what to suggest, but Pond's cold cream probably wouldn't kill the fungus. I know 5% household bleach would, or 70% ethanol (I practise microbiology). But I don't know what they would do to the lens. I suspect not good things. Jody. We have had talk on the list in the past about Pond's Cold Cream being good for fungus removal. I would think that pointing the lens towards the sun on a clear day for a few hours would likely do serious damage to the fungus, but I think that the lens would still have to be cleaned. I have never had a fungused up lens, I would expect that you wouldn't either. Where did you get a fungused lens? Fungus can jump from lens to lens, so you want to keep the contaminated one away from the rest of your equipment. William Robb __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Teleconvertor suggestion
The problem with the macro teleconverters is the additional 1/2-1 stop of light loss, that reduces a f/2.8 lens to f/8 instead of f/5.6 - as do normal 2X teleconverters. I suspect this is due to the additional extension required by the helicoid mechanism. Even if very good, I'd stay away from a macro TC just for this reason. Servus, Alin Steve wrote: SL I know it can be confusing, but the Vivitar 2X Macro Focusing SL Teleconverter MC 7 element is a very good lens. It can also be SL racked out for decreasing your close focus distance, which is SL handy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Lens of the week (3)
Hi, I am very pleased with how this Lens of the Week idea is progressing. Thanks to all those who have provided their subjective evaluations. I would like to make a few changes to what I said in my earlier mails. 0. Married people are allowed to participate too. :-) 1. Discussions will not necessarily start on Friday and last one week. Whenever I feel that the current lens(es) have been covered in enough detail, I will suggest another lens. Because of this, Lens of the Week is not really an appropriate title. 2. At all times I will try to have 2-3 lens discussions open. One of those will usually be dedicated to a rare or obscure lens where I do not relly expect many answers. This is the second reason why Lens of the Week is not really an appropriate title. 3. Instead of Lens of the Week I will call this thing KMP Lens Discussion, and will usually abbreviate it as KLD in my message subjects. Cheers, Boz - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fungus question
We did experiments at uni on sterilising things. UV only kills microbes on a flat surface, and won't penetrate glass or even plastic very well. Some people say you can get sunburn through a closed car window, but I have yet to see the evidence. I think the warmth of the sunlight will in fact encourage the fungus to grow. Jody. Probably, but window glass is not an efficient transmitter of UV. I'm not sure how good the lens glass is at UV transmission either. No doubt some of the beneficial effect comes from the rise in temperature within the lens, along with this lowering the humidity within the lens. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fungus question
Note that 100% alcohol is no good. Use about 70%. The reaction between alcohol and the fungus requires water as a cofactor. Jody. Here's the method that's worked for me: Disassemble the lens (how's that for an oversimplified step 1?) Remove the element(s) with fungus. Soak them in alcohol. Overnight is usually enough but if 24 hours isn't sufficient then you should give up, I suspect. This has removed fungus very effectively for me. I've never tried Ponds cold cream but the active ingredient, so to speak, in Ponds is mineral oil so I usually follow up the alcohol soak with a mineral oil treatment. Then I clean with Windex or similar window cleaner and finally I use a photography-specific lens cleaner made for multicoated lenses (purchased from the Filter Connection at http://www.2filter.com/). Reassemble lens very carefully and then see how it works. Mark - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Lens shade
I have an SMC 35mm f2 lens that I would like to get a lens hood for. I have a rubber hood now. I think Pentax might have made a rectangular hood for this lens. If true, does anybody have one just lying around collecting dust? Jim A. There are two retangular hoods (not really square) from Pentax - one for 28/35mm and one for 50mm. They are still available brand new but could be difficult to obtain in the US (or outside Japan I believe). regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More teleconverter questions
Just a simple FA*250-600/5.6 ED [IF] will do... :p regards, Alan Chan Thanks for the responses so far. Since there is apparently no way to use a 2X converter on my FA*300/4.5 and get decent results, I'm wondering about better options for photographing birds. 1. The FA*400/5.6 and 1.4X converter. Anyone do this? Is the S or L converter better for this lens? 2. An old SMC 500/4.5. Anyone use this lens? Does it work well with converters? 3. Suck up and buy an A* 600/5.6. Meanwhile, anyone actually used this thing with TCs? 4. Sell off enough equipment to buy myself a Canon 100-400/5.6 with IS and a body to slap on the back. I can borrow my son's converters. This begins to look more and more like the future, if I stay interested in birds. Some time I should pencil out the cost of all these ideas. Thoughts? Bob _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Teleconvertor suggestion
Recently Alin Flaider wrote: The problem with the macro teleconverters is the additional 1/2-1 stop of light loss, that reduces a f/2.8 lens to f/8 instead of f/5.6 - as do normal 2X teleconverters. I suspect this is due to the additional extension required by the helicoid mechanism. Hi Alin, You are right. The light loss is due to the extension -- it simply moves the lens further away from the film = the image circle increases = the image brightness decreases. However, a Macro converter set at 0 additional extension (if that is possible) would only cost you the normal amount of light loss, so a Macro converter is not an evil thing. In fact, it can be as good as a standard teleconverter but with the additional advantage of a helicoid ext. tube (with all positive and negative consequences). Cheers, Boz - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Miracles Happen!
That's an interesting take on Would you like to see my etchings?. Rodger - Would you like to come to my study and help me find the screw that fell from my M42 - PK adapter the other day. Peter __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S??
tom writes: It's not the case. It'll be available sometime this summer. You mean winter, right? :) (for those of us in the southern hemisphere) - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets? -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: going rate
John Francis writes: Depends on the resolution. One lab here (http://www.calypsoinc.com/) charges a minimum of $40, while a 2400dpi scan to a 48-bit RGB file would cost around $400 (and produce a file that filled an entire CD!) Wow... why do they cost so much? I don't know anything about the drum scanning process: is there some kind of horrifically expensive consumable or maintenance cost involved in running the machine? Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets? -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: slip-on caps (or the *other* nightmare scenario)
tom writes: I was pulling the ZX-5n and 77mm out of the car this a.m. when I dropped it. It fell about 3 feet onto asphalt, with the lens striking 1st. After the 1st hit, it bounced a couple of times. The sound was truly sickening. I'm just about surprised you didn't have a heart attack on the spot :( The furthest I've dropped a camera is a few inches onto carpet and that was enough for me. No damage except for a ding in the lens cap. I guess it passed the drop-test then. You should be glad you didn't have it attached to a heavier body. If my 43mm lands lens-first with a K2 behind it, it won't be a pretty sight! Try that with your Nikon 45mm! I would love to ;) Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets? -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 15/3,5 - A15/3,5: number of aperture blades
Bojidar Dimitrov writes: In my pages I have listed the 15/3,5 lens to have 6 aperture blades and the A 15/3,5 having 5. Is this correct? The A definitely has 5. They should have put 6 in as pentagonal flare patterns suck. Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets? -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: slip-on caps (or the *other* nightmare scenario)
Norman Baugher writes: When I got down to the base of the cliff, the camera and the lens were fine. It appears the Pentax UV filter on the lens absorbed all the force from the impact and was itself, miraculously, still intact... That should read: miraculously, the Pentax UV filter it landed on was intact but the Nikon gear itself had disintegrated. :) Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets? -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Red/Green Filter (now off-topic)
Hey, don't hassle duct tape. It has got MacGyver out of plenty of sticky (Har!) situations. Jody. You bought a filter made from duct tape? No wonder it loses 7 stops. Wheatfield Willie __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 31/1.8 limited
Pål Jensen writes: This is going to ruin me! You want one too, eh? I think I need a second job :( Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets? -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: 31/1.8 limited
AAhh, these limiteds. IMO, this is one of the most peculiar lens series ever released. PDML'ers have speculated _a_lot_ over the focal lenghts; everything from complex mathematical models to marketing tricks has been suggested. Mathematically, the 43mm is the correct focal width for a normal lens covering a 36x24mm negative. If there's mathematical reasoning behind 77mm and 31mm, it's beyond me... Maybe it's just a new standard of naming accuracy. I often read lens tests where measured focal length differs from the number on the barrel. I know one thing for sure; just like Pål, the 31mm will ruin me... :-) Jostein -Original Message- From: Peter Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] What is it with these limited lenses? They are all unusual focal lengths. Almost gives the impression that they came across the focal length by accident having tried putting a few stock elements together. Can't imagine that a designer said Hmm there's a gap in the range; think I'll design a 31mm (43mm, 77mm) to fill it. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Help with The Mental Game
Maybe a faster film would help? It would allow for both a faster shutter speed and increased depth of field depending on what you opted for (of course you already knew this). Tom C. - Original Message - From: Stephen Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 8:06 AM Subject: Help with The Mental Game A question, please, to the collective Pentaxian wisdom: How do you psych yourselves back up out of a slump, namely a run of bad results? Or maybe more important, how do you psych yourselves so that a run of bad results doesn't degenerate into a self-perpetuating slump? Saturday and Sunday I was out at the first motorcycle event at my local road circuit (albeit primarily as a corner marshal and only secondarily as a photographer). I thought that at the beginning of my fifth season I would have internalized enough that I'd start seeing past the details and could concentrate on making photographs. This turned out not to be the case: It was like I didn't know anything, and Sunday night I went away with a really bad feeling that turned out even worse than I anticipated when the prints came back yesterday. Bad exposure (mostly over), bad color, bad focus, inappropriate depths of field, and bad technique -- even on panning, which I usually seem to have a knack for. Even allowing for a possible subconscious paranoia (that I'd have to drop the camera in a hurry because a bike and rider would come tumbling toward me through the gravel trap), I'm still asking myself: How could I have sucked that bad? (Dirty details: LX w/winder mostly on manual, 70-210A f/4 and 300M* f/4, Fuji Reala and Superia 200) All moral support appreciated... Stephen Moore __ You got a Zarg in here? Are you *nuts*??? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Aurora
I just got my E6 back yesterday with several photos of the aurora that was visible from my house on April 17. I am totally blown away. Gorgeous colors - bright reds and pale greens with a multitude of stars that almost seem to twinkle on the transparency. I will attempt to scan several tonite and post them. I also got some noctilucent clouds/tree silhouettes after the aurora faded. Man, I really enjoy night shots. There is currently a naked eye sunspot group (use only a solar filter) visible and it is the spawn of the big sunspot group of about two weeks ago that generated aurora, so the prediction is There is an increasing probability of an Earthward-directed coronal mass ejection from active sunspot Region 9433 (formerly 9393), which is growing gradually in size and magnetic complexity. Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Info from Japan Photo Trade News
Hi all, Here is the news release for new products. (Please note it is plural!!) You can see it on http://www.genyosha.com/s-photo/j-week/DayJCTN.html (ID is guest and the password is photo.) April 24: The Pentax MZ-S (picture) high grade 35mm autofocus SLR camera, which was advertised earlier on JCTN, among others, was announced for sales in Japan in late May at Y135,000 ($1,125) suggested price for both silver and black finish models. Production of 3,000 unit is planned monthly. In spite of a lot of sophisticated features, the camera is made compact: Dimensions of 136.5mm (w) x 64mm (d) x 95mm (h), with 520g weight. Pentax Espio 120SW 35mm flash camera (picture) with 28~120mm 4.2x zoom lens, in a compact body of 111W x 41D x 59.5H mm, with 190g weight. Sales in late May at Y54,000 ($450). Aluminium housing, and high resolution lens are featured. Pentax Espio 105SW is a sister version with 28~1-5mm 3.7x lens. Body size and weight are the same. Suggested price is Y47,000 ($392). SMC Pentax FA31mm f/1.8 AL Limited (Picture): highest grade wide angle lens with bright f/1.8 aperture. It is the third in the AL Limited series lenses, following the FA43mm f/1.9 and FA77mm f/1.8. Suggested price is Y127,000 ($1,058) for silver body, and Y130,000 ($1,083) for black body. Domestic sales starts in late May. ## Pentax AF360FGZ flash (picture) is compatible with all Pentax AF SLRs, but offers extra sophisticated modes in use with the new Pentax MZ-S AF SLR camera. It offers P-TTL (pre-flashing TTL) AE, TTL AE, non-TTL AE and manual controls. In use with the Pentax MS-Z, wireless TTL AE is possible.Sales start soon at Y30,000 ($250) suggested price. Pentax accessories: BG-10 is battery grip, exclusive for the Pentax MZ-S. It uses four AA batteries. Weight is 185g. Suggested price is Y25,000 ($208). TS-110: Release timer switch offered at Y17,000 ($142). It is good for normal release, long time exposure, interval mode, interval mode from a set time, etc. Weight is 89g. CS-105/130: Cable switches offered, respectively, at Y6,000 ($50) and Y7,000 ($58). The former has 50cm long cable while latter, long 3m cable. QS-B Quick shoe base is offered at Y5,500 ($46). QS-20 Quick shoe adapter is for medium format camera and offered at Y6,500 ($54). QS-10 is for 35mm camera use, and offered at Y5,500 ($45.8). CL-10: Off camera camera-shoe clip for at Y6,500 ($54). It is for mounting a flash for off-camera flash operation. Weight is 460g. SMC Pentax FA645 300mm f/5.6ED [IF] (picture) for use with the Pentax 645 medium format SLR. 75mm dia. x 183.5mm long, 775g weight. Y220,000 ($1,833) suggested price. Sincerely, Take Ueda, Osaka, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.tripod.co.jp/hayatama/photo/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: 31/1.8 limited: moulded glass?
Moulded glass means real asphericals, right? Not the hybrid glass-plus-resin? If what I am saying here is right, what an impressive beast ! Albano --- I think yes, but I know only that they wrote in press release... Den - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Product Quote for MZ-S
I suspect 5/01 means May 01 Pål - Original Message - From: dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 4:07 PM Subject: Fwd: Product Quote for MZ-S Below is the response of Adorama for the date of availability and their price for the MZ-S. As you can see they say the MZ-S will be available through them by next Tuesday at the price we had heard, $995.95 USD. DG To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Product Quote Date: 24 Apr 2001 09:50:21 -0500 ADORAMA - Here is your requested price quote: SKU: PXMZS Brand: Pentax Title: Avail 5/01 Pentax MZ-S Pro AF SLR U.S.A Price: $999.95 - If you would like to purchase this Item, please click the link below http://www.adoramaphoto.com/request.tpl?sku=PXMZSoldcart=98812365664217 - ADORAMA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Aurora
Sounds awesome Tom, please be sure to post them Norm aimcompute wrote: I just got my E6 back yesterday with several photos of the aurora that was visible from my house on April 17. I am totally blown away. Gorgeous colors - bright reds and pale greens with a multitude of stars that almost seem to twinkle on the transparency. I will attempt to scan several tonite and post them. I also got some noctilucent clouds/tree silhouettes after the aurora faded. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
Yes, that is silly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter Smith Sent: April 24, 2001 1:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase I think the silliness Todd was referring to was the suggestion that a seller after advertising a price is obliged to sell at that price. A view previously claimed by myself amongst others. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Teleconvertor suggestion
Hi Alin, I just tried the Vivitar 2X Macro FocusingTeleconverter (Japan) on an LX. At the infinity setting on the converter, the normal 2 stops of light loss expected was observed. Not that an LX meter with full stops between meter LED's is an accurate way to compare. I also found that the shorter length Pentax made CPC 2X Tele-converter MC-4 (Japan) lost just a little more light through it than the longer macro converter did. Mark Rofini -Original Message- From: Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 3:55 AM Subject: Re[2]: Teleconvertor suggestion Bojidar wrote: BD However, a Macro converter set at 0 additional extension (if that is BD possible) would only cost you the normal amount of light loss, so a BD Macro converter is not an evil thing. In fact, it can be as good as a BD standard teleconverter but with the additional advantage of a helicoid BD ext. tube (with all positive and negative consequences). Boz, I wasn't clear enough. We're talking here macro TCs adding more extension at infinity position than a normal TC. I was surprised to discover this myself and asked on the list at the time. A couple of members confirmed my finding (Fred Wasti being one of them) and we concluded this may be a common design for macro TCs. Servus, Alin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Help with The Mental Game
Hi Stephen, Unfortunately, god and the devil are in the details. g I pick one of my 'avenues of growth' (no shortage here) and focus on _improving_ that specific defect until I get consistently better results. Then I pick the next greatest fault and work on that. Occassionally, I have to go back and do refresher work in an area I'd made some improvent in, but that is OK. I'm shooting for progress, not perfection. For example, my first target was just holding the damn camera steady enough. :-) I can still make fuzzy shots, but I'm in more control of it now. When I started, it was entirely involuntary. Also, for me, being able to look at a photo and being able to identify the what and the why of its 'character' is also a measure of progress. Whatever the defect happens to be, I try to learn as much as I can about the factors that contribute to that problem and see what my books and people here on the list have to say on the topic (or have said). Then I try specific solutions and compare the results. With regards to the example of steadiness (sharpness), this lead to a better understanding of tradeoffs between handholding and tripods, film speed and grain, and the interaction between aperture and time, available versus artificial light, hyperfocal distance, DOF and the area of acceptable focus, etc.- all of which I knew nothing about when I got my first photos back and stood there, apalled by the blur. I look to other people's work for inspiration, but I can only measure my progress or its lack against my own previous best efforts, not someone elses. In keeping with that, I hang on to quite a few of my photos that exhibit specific defects, so I can have something objective to measure my current photos against. I also make sure I'm having some fun while I'm out shooting. Hope that helps, Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] A question, please, to the collective Pentaxian wisdom: How do you psych yourselves back up out of a slump, namely a run of bad results? Or maybe more important, how do you psych yourselves so that a run of bad results doesn't degenerate into a self-perpetuating slump? Saturday and Sunday I was out at the first motorcycle event at my local road circuit (albeit primarily as a corner marshal and only secondarily as a photographer). I thought that at the beginning of my fifth season I would have internalized enough that I'd start seeing past the details and could concentrate on making photographs. This turned out not to be the case: It was like I didn't know anything, and Sunday night I went away with a really bad feeling that turned out even worse than I anticipated when the prints came back yesterday. Bad exposure (mostly over), bad color, bad focus, inappropriate depths of field, and bad technique -- even on panning, which I usually seem to have a knack for. Even allowing for a possible subconscious paranoia (that I'd have to drop the camera in a hurry because a bike and rider would come tumbling toward me through the gravel trap), I'm still asking myself: How could I have sucked that bad? (Dirty details: LX w/winder mostly on manual, 70-210A f/4 and 300M* f/4, Fuji Reala and Superia 200) All moral support appreciated... Stephen Moore - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
No, if I offer you $100 and knowingly allow you to start building, there is a contract, nothing implied about it. It's verbal, to be sure, but it is still enforceable upon sufficient proof of the agreement. If I offer you $100 and you go off in secret and build the dog house, then whether I like it or not, I am bound by that as well, unless I withdrew the offer BEFORE you substantially embarked upon building it. Acceptance by performance. THAT is a unilateral contract. Whether people like the fact that it's called unilateral or not is immaterial; it's legal jargon. If you say unilateral contract to a contract lawyer, that's what (s)he'll assume you mean. _Waddams on Contracts_ is a good reference. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Rittenhouse Sent: April 23, 2001 11:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase If you read what you wrote, there is an implied contract in force once you say you will pay me $100 and you let me start building the dog house. OTOH, if you offer me the $100 and I come back next week and say I accept your offer, you can say you changed your mind, there is no contract until both parties agree at the same time, otherwise they are just negotiating. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
Simple permission is not a contract. A contract must be supported by consideration (ie. money). If you paid your model for the right to use the image, then (s)he cannot withdraw that permission, barring a specific clause allowing it, or some time limitation on the use, because you then have a contract. If you did not provide consideration to the model, there is no contract in place, only permission, which can be withdrawn at any time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Rittenhouse Sent: April 23, 2001 11:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase If there is such a thing as a unilateral contract, it can also be withdrawn unilaterally, so is not a binding contract at all. I use this concept for my model releases. The subject grants me permission to use their likeness. The permission being what you would call an unilateral contract can be withdrawn at any time by the subject. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: KLD: 30/2,8
Hi Boz, At 24 Apr 2001 07:28:11 -0500 (EST), Bojidar Dimitrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote; SMC 30/2.8 == What is your opinion of this lens? Is it any good? I love this lens. :^) I like K30/2.8 better than any 28mm lens Pentax ever made. It's compact in size and very well built. How about optical qualities: resolution, contrast, color, distortion, bokeh, light fall-off, etc.? It has great resolving power visually/actually, excellent contrast and good color rendition. Distortion and light fall-off seem very slight, and its bokeh is really good. I have placed a sample photo taken with this lens at http://www.takinami.com/yoshihiko/photo/gallery01/pf0004.html It was dim, cloudy morning I take that photo. The lens rendered the scene with quite impressive contrast and color, IMO. Just an opinion. -- Yoshihiko Takinami Osaka, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Frank Theriault wrote: Trying to remember what little I know of Contract Law, it seems to me that the vendor is extending a Unilateral Contract to the world. If all he/she says is or best offer, then I think he would be bound to sell to the person who makes the best offer - reasonable or not. Sure, but in what time frame? A day? A week? A year? 10 years? If the time frame is not specified, then the seller can claim to be waiting for all of the offers to come in, can't they? That's the first thing I thought of! But then I also realized that most of these statements say something like $500.00 *or* best offer. Because that OR is in there they can always turn the best offer they receive and opt to hold out for the $500! ;-) (note smiley) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S??
David A. Mann wrote: tom writes: It's not the case. It'll be available sometime this summer. You mean winter, right? :) Right, mate. Cheers. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More teleconverter questions
Bob, Just to confirm, I use the 1.4XL on my A 400 f:5.6 all the time. I don't know if the 2XL will work or not. Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 4:51 AM Subject: Re: More teleconverter questions Bob, snip I have been happy with the results of the 2X-S and 1.4X-S on the A400/5.6, although it took me some time and effort to learn how to get a stable platform for picture taking. I doubt the L versions will fit on the FA400/5.6. Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Red/Green Filter
Is the in-between kind of brown? Paul M. Provencher (ppro) -Original Message- From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 4:12 PM To: PDML Subject: Red/Green Filter On a whim I bid on a Chromostar Red/Green filter off ebay. I received it today. What a weird thing! It operates like a polarizer, but instead of polarized/unpolarized it shifts between red and green, with a weird sort of in-between combination that's hard to describe...maybe it's squant. Anyway, the thing loses about *7* stops, so it's practically useless. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax related news - MR-52?
MZ3_fella _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could it be the MR-52 is an in-house product designation (like the KB-numbers)and not a model name? Maybe the 5 is a poory written (or hastily read) S? I don't know how a Z could possibly be mis-read as an R, though! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Product Quote for MZ-S
Hi Dick and Paal, I suspect 5/01 means May 01 I agree with Paal. Pentax USA has not yet released any info about MZ-S. All you can see is Pentax Japan's press release and it says that MZ-S reaches the market late May. Sincerely, Take Ueda, Osaka, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.tripod.co.jp/hayatama/photo/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Miracles Happen!
- Original Message - From: petit miam Subject: RE: Miracles Happen! That's an interesting take on Would you like to see my etchings?. We are photographers here. The correct phrase is would you like to help me develop something in my darkroom WW - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Help with The Mental Game
The first thing to do is look at the negatives. Ofte when I have been completely dissatisfied with my work a look at the negative showed that the problem was with the lab. Second, trying to do photography and something else, in your case officating at the race, tends to make the photography not so good. Third, you have auto exposure on the LX? Why not use it? It may not give the best exposure, but it will seldom give an unprintable negative. Fourth, being out of practice does not help. The only way to get back into pratice is to shoOt some races. And, even if you are good you go out of practice when you don't do it for a while. In other words, YOU ARE BEING TOO HARD ON YOURSELF TOO SOON! --Tom Stephen Moore wrote: A question, please, to the collective Pentaxian wisdom: How do you psych yourselves back up out of a slump, namely a run of bad results? Or maybe more important, how do you psych yourselves so that a run of bad results doesn't degenerate into a self-perpetuating slump? Saturday and Sunday I was out at the first motorcycle event at my local road circuit (albeit primarily as a corner marshal and only secondarily as a photographer). I thought that at the beginning of my fifth season I would have internalized enough that I'd start seeing past the details and could concentrate on making photographs. This turned out not to be the case: It was like I didn't know anything, and Sunday night I went away with a really bad feeling that turned out even worse than I anticipated when the prints came back yesterday. Bad exposure (mostly over), bad color, bad focus, inappropriate depths of field, and bad technique -- even on panning, which I usually seem to have a knack for. Even allowing for a possible subconscious paranoia (that I'd have to drop the camera in a hurry because a bike and rider would come tumbling toward me through the gravel trap), I'm still asking myself: How could I have sucked that bad? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Anyone tried the Sigma 300/2.8?
I'm in the market for a 300mm/f2.8. The Sigma is the most affordable but I'm wondering if anyone here has any experience with it. If it's no good I'll probably have to hold out until I find a used 300/2.8 somewhere and as I want autofocus, it could be a long wait! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: manual/autofocus lens teleconverter question
If you were to say get the Tamron autofocus 2x 7 element, it would work fine. The autofocus ones pass the connections through to the lens, so if you later got a 28-70 2.8f Autofocus or a FA 50/1.4, they would autofocus with this telecon. At 04:59 PM 4/23/01 -0500, you wrote: Hi, I read almost everything every day and am very appreciative of all the help I have found here. What a great community here! Most of my questions are usually eventually answered, but this time, no luck, so I'll have to ask a question or two. I have a 200/4.0 A lens and would like to know what kind of 2.0 teleconverter would work? It is obviously not autofocus. I would like to mount it on either a ZX-5n or and ZX-M. Once this is answered I have another question. What about some suggestions for a good 2.0 teleconverter at a decent price range (not too expensive, but I'll leave what you think is expensive open so I'll get wide or varied options). Thank you in advance for any replies, Scott - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Anyone tried the Sigma 300/2.8?
I saw a nice one here for DM6K (ca. US$3K). Man that thing is a beast!! Norm Mark Roberts wrote: I'm in the market for a 300mm/f2.8. The Sigma is the most affordable but I'm wondering if anyone here has any experience with it. If it's no good I'll probably have to hold out until I find a used 300/2.8 somewhere and as I want autofocus, it could be a long wait! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Help for James...
Some people have multiple email accounts. His outgoing (to the list) from come from (have the reply to:?) the same as the account he signed up with. So he may have signed up on the desktop/laptop, but is now trying to use the laptop/desktop and that's the problem! At 08:11 AM 4/24/01 +1000, you wrote: Hi guys, I know that I shouldn't do this due to Netiquette and all, but I received the following email from a new member who is having problems (again) with his PDML subscription. I tried to forward it to the help email address but it rejected, so I'll post it here in the hope that someone who knows will see it and give this poor guy some assistance: - Original Message - From: jmadams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 4:48 AM Subject: Help Hello Tanya, Sorry to bother you, but I'm desperately trying to find out why I am not seing any of the dozens of posts I sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] over the past two weeks. My main PC died, and after two days trying tp build a new one I remembered I had set up my laptop for email/internet access for my trip to Japan. Anyway I have tried to find out who runs the list, and emailed Chris Brogden yesterday, but he has not replied. I did find that my mail settings had been changed from plain text to HTML. I know the Vancouver Linux User Group (VanLUG) list, I belong to, rejects the later, but at least notifies you automatically so you can fix it. If you know who is in charge of the list, please can you forward this and ask if I am being blocked from osting to the list. Cheers James Thanks guys and girls, fairy. !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 META content=MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800 name=GENERATOR STYLE/STYLE /HEAD BODY bgColor=#ff DIVFONT face=Arial size=2Hi guys,/FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial size=2/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial size=2I know that I shouldn't do this due to Netiquette and all, but I received the following email from a new member who is having problems (again) with his PDML subscription. I tried to forward it to the help email address but it rejected, so I'll post it here in the hope that someone who knows will see it and give this poor guy some assistance:/FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial size=2/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial size=2FONT face=Times New Roman size=3FONT face=Arial size=2/FONTBR- Original Message - BRFrom: jmadams lt;/FONTA href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];FONT face=Times New Roman size=3[EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT/AFONT face=Times New Roman size=3gt;BRTo: lt;/FONTA href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];FONT face=Times New Roman size=3[EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT/AFONT face=Times New Roman size=3gt;BRSent: Monday, April 23, 2001 4:48 AMBRSubject: HelpBRBRBRgt; Hello Tanya,BRgt; Sorry to bother you, but I'm desperatelyBRgt; trying to find out why I am not seing any ofBRgt; the dozens of posts I sent toBRgt; /FONTA href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];FONT face=Times New Roman size=3[EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT/AFONT face=Times New Roman size=3 over the past twoBRgt; weeks.BRgt; BRgt; My main PC died, and after two days trying tpBRgt; build a new one I remembered I had set up myBRgt; laptop for email/internet access for my tripBRgt; to Japan.BRgt; BRgt; Anyway I have tried to find out who runs theBRgt; list, and emailed Chris Brogden yesterday,BRgt; but he has not replied.BRgt; I did find that my mail settings had beenBRgt; changed from plain text to HTML. I know theBRgt; Vancouver Linux User Group (VanLUG) list, IBRgt; belong to, rejects the later, but at leastBRgt; notifies you automatically so you can fix it.BRgt; BRgt; If you know who is in charge of the list,BRgt; please can you forward this and ask if I amBRgt; being blocked from osting to the list.BRgt; BRgt; CheersBRgt; James/FONT/FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial size=2FONT face=Times New Roman size=3/FONT/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial size=2FONT face=Times New Roman size=3Thanks guys and girls,/FONT/FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Arial size=2FONT face=Times New Roman size=3fairy./DIV DIVBRgt; BRgt; BRgt; /FONTBR/DIV/FONT/BODY/HTML - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Red/Green Filter
Provencher, Paul M. wrote: Is the in-between kind of brown? Kind of. It gives the impression of doing different things to different colors. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Lens shade
Hi Paul You said I have noticed that the metal rectangular hood made for the 28mm f/3.5 is almost, if not exactly the same sized rectangle and depth but instead of threading onto the lens, has a collar that clamps to the outside of the filter ring. This works just as well as the other two and is far more common However, the hood for the Tak 28/3.5 will not fit on the SMCP 35/2.0. Quivering with anticipation that it would, but pretty much knowing it wouldn't, I tried it, and, to my dismay, the hood will not fit around the fatter barrel of the early K-mount lens. You are, however, correct that the other hoods will fit. -- Sheldon Belinkoff CREATURE'S COMFORT mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Lens shade
Hi Jim, They did make a hood for it. Actually there are a few that work well. There is a circular metal one (49mm thread) that was made for the Super Takumar 35mm f/3.5 that I like when using polarizer; a metal rectangular one that was made for both the f/2.0 and f/3.5 with 49mm thread and a flange that allows for alignment after threading the hood onto the lens. The rectangular hood is very nice, well worth trying to locate, but surprisingly hard to find at any price. I have noticed that the metal rectangular hood made for the 28mm f/3.5 (see: http://whitemetal.com/pentax/smct_28_35/smct_28_35_21.htm is almost, if not exactly the same sized rectangle and depth but instead of threading onto the lens, has a collar that clamps to the outside of the filter ring. This works just as well as the other two and is far more common - you should be able to get one on eBay with a fitted case for not much more than $10 on a day when a newbie is not bidding against you - heck you can probably get the 28mm f/3.5 SMCT screw mount with cases, caps and hood for not much more than $40 (as a way of saying don't pay too much for the hood). Paul M. Provencher (ppro) -Original Message- From: James Apilado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 10:03 PM To: Pentax Group Subject: Lens shade I have an SMC 35mm f2 lens that I would like to get a lens hood for. I have a rubber hood now. I think Pentax might have made a rectangular hood for this lens. If true, does anybody have one just lying around collecting dust? Jim A. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Product Quote for MZ-S
Adorama will have the MZ-S available May 1, now that may mean it can be ordered May 1 or it may be that they will have it on hand May 1, I didn't ask. Pentax USA has told me that the MZ-S Literature will be available starting in May. They now are sending out a temporary brochure/flyer. At 12:44 AM 4/25/01 +0900, you wrote: Hi Dick and Paal, I suspect 5/01 means May 01 I agree with Paal. Pentax USA has not yet released any info about MZ-S. All you can see is Pentax Japan's press release and it says that MZ-S reaches the market late May. Sincerely, Take Ueda, Osaka, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.tripod.co.jp/hayatama/photo/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Miracles Happen!
By a magnet, tie it to a string and drag it around the zone Maybe you'll get lucky! At 11:45 PM 4/23/01 +0100, you wrote: Rodger - Would you like to come to my study and help me find the screw that fell from my M42 - PK adapter the other day. Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rodger Whitlock Sent: 23 April 2001 14:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Miracles Happen! In January, while waiting for the ferry at Fulford Harbour on Saltspring Island (the scene of a number of my PUG submissions), my Z1-P brushed against an upright of the railing on a pier, brushing the cap of my 77mm Ltd lens off -- and plop! into the water far below. I've since replaced it, after offering the Pentax gods several endocrine glands. Saturday, again waiting for the ferry there (an oft-told story), I thought to walk out the pier and see if I could spot my long lost lens cap. Eureka! There it was! And the tide was out. So, at the low, low cost of muddy shoes, I have it back. Interestingly, though muddy from several months in the saltchuck, it was *not* corroded. I think any PDML member would be hard pressed to distinguish it from the its un-submerged replacement. Evidently Pentax uses a very spiffy alloy for the Limited bodies... -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Old Cameras, Old Lenses, Old Emulsions
I wish I had collector status - then I too would be worth something... Paul M. Provencher 703-575-6147 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Creature's Comfort [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 4:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Old Cameras, Old Lenses, Old Emulsions It has collector status. Provencher, Paul M. wrote: Just for the HOOD??? It IS a nice hood, I will admit that but jeeze... -- Sheldon Belinkoff CREATURE'S COMFORT mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase [was: FW: Ricoh / Pentaxsystem]
Remember, money isn't always involved. Say a guy has a motor cycle for sale $800 or OBO you come by and show him a laptop you'll trade for the motorcycle, and he say ok I've know people who have traded computer for used cars! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
Yes: If he doesn't like the best offer, the seller can refuse to sell. That's precisely my point, Chris: It's a hollow promise. Heck, if he doesn't want to accept my $100 offer, he can sell it to his brother for $110, then buy it right back. That's one facet of what shilling is about, and it's wrong. My first choice would be: Best offer above $400 received by 2001 April 30. or First offer above $400 get it. Either phrasing guarantees that the seller receives an amount he can live with. Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the trouble with nitpicking unconditional statements is that it can be done back to you, too. If the seller says $500 OBO and you have the highest offer at, say, $100, then it's not likely they'll want to sell it for that. If you try and claim that OBO means that they should accept any offer because OBO is unconditional, then they can come right back and say that they didn't specify a time frame for the sale. Because they didn't specify this condition, they can take as long to sell it as they want. chris Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fungus question
Ethanol (alcohol) has been used as a lens cleaner for many decades. I know the navy used it to clean periscope optics on submarines during WWII. So I don't think it would be a problem. Chlorine (bleach) may not harm the glass, but it is corrosive as hell and I would not trust it around my photo gear. --Tom petit miam wrote: You would want something that would kill the fungus, or it will just grow back. I don't know what to suggest, but Pond's cold cream probably wouldn't kill the fungus. I know 5% household bleach would, or 70% ethanol (I practise microbiology). But I don't know what they would do to the lens. I suspect not good things. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Anyone tried the Sigma 300/2.8?
Pentax BTW...sorry. Norman Baugher wrote: I saw a nice one here for DM6K (ca. US$3K). Man that thing is a beast!! Norm - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
Strange? I thought that was exactly what I said. But, I wouldn't build a dog house for you without a written contract. --Tom Bucky wrote: Simple permission is not a contract. A contract must be supported by consideration (ie. money). If you paid your model for the right to use the image, then (s)he cannot withdraw that permission, barring a specific clause allowing it, or some time limitation on the use, because you then have a contract. If you did not provide consideration to the model, there is no contract in place, only permission, which can be withdrawn at any time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Rittenhouse Sent: April 23, 2001 11:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase If there is such a thing as a unilateral contract, it can also be withdrawn unilaterally, so is not a binding contract at all. I use this concept for my model releases. The subject grants me permission to use their likeness. The permission being what you would call an unilateral contract can be withdrawn at any time by the subject. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Help with The Mental Game
Tom Rittenhouse wrote: Second, trying to do photography and something else, in your case officating at the race, tends to make the photography not so good. Absolutely! It's as much as I can do to take the photographs while being aware of what is heading towards me, knowing where the closest safe (or at least safer) spot is, and keeping an eye on the flaggers and corner captain. Having to concentrate on other possible duties, what's happening on other parts of the track covered by this station, and watching the up-track and down-track stations as well is too much to be thinking about. I'm thinking about exactly two things while I'm out there taking photographs - my personal safety, and getting an image onto film. Even then I have more than enough frames I'm never showing anybody. -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Product Quote for MZ-S
Yes, that is next Tuesday, here in the U.S.A., anyway. ;-) Len --- -Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 10:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Product Quote for MZ-S I suspect 5/01 means May 01 Pål - Original Message - From: dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 4:07 PM Subject: Fwd: Product Quote for MZ-S Below is the response of Adorama for the date of availability and their price for the MZ-S. As you can see they say the MZ-S will be available through them by next Tuesday at the price we had heard, $995.95 USD. DG To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Product Quote Date: 24 Apr 2001 09:50:21 -0500 ADORAMA - Here is your requested price quote: SKU: PXMZS Brand: Pentax Title: Avail 5/01 Pentax MZ-S Pro AF SLR U.S.A Price: $999.95 - If you would like to purchase this Item, please click the link below http://www.adoramaphoto.com/request.tpl?sku=PXMZSoldcart=98812365664217 - ADORAMA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Miracles Happen!
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, William Robb wrote: We are photographers here. The correct phrase is would you like to help me develop something in my darkroom Or, Come into my darkroom and see what develops. :) chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
Where do you want me to stick it? :-) BTW, I didn't mention the travel expenses... lodging, car rental, per diem... Tom C. Is that a hundred bucks US? Or will Can$s work for you. I have 2 pretty big dogs, I am thinking a 5x7 foot dog house, with a nice cottage style roof. It gets cold here, so it will have to be insulated, and can we put a small furnace in for that price? Oh, and it must look modest, yet classy. Perhaps a nice stucco finish to match my house? And a shrubbery. Nothing to gaudy, just a nice tasteful shrubbery. Thanks William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fun with Artifacts
I particularly like pots.jpg but it's obvious that those digital cameras are crappy for portraiture. In hat1.jpg it made your model appear totally lifeless with no vitality whatsoever. Tom C. - Original Message - From: Brewer, Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pdml (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 11:25 AM Subject: Fun with Artifacts Just thought I'd throw out a couple links to some work I've been doing here at the museum. Mostly what I do is record-keeping images, but there's no law that says they must be totally boring, so I've been having a little fun here and there. Anyway, here are a few samples: http://www.alphoto.com/hat1.jpg http://www.alphoto.com/powderhorns1.jpg http://www.alphoto.com/pot.jpg http://www.alphoto.com/pots.jpg http://www.alphoto.com/rifle1.jpg All of these shots were done with an Olympus C-3030 digicam (!), and to stretch this to make it somewhat related to Pentax photography, many of these shots have been repeated on film using my Pentax cameras and lenses. Have fun, Doug - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes: If he doesn't like the best offer, the seller can refuse to sell. That's precisely my point, Chris: It's a hollow promise. Heck, if he doesn't want to accept my $100 offer, he can sell it to his brother for $110, then buy it right back. That's one facet of what shilling is about, and it's wrong. I grant you that you're correct in a literal sense, and that or best reasonable offer would be more acurate. But I think that the vast majority of people assume that the reasonable is implicit, and that a seller saying OBO is under no obligation to sell a $500 item for $1, $50, or even $100. And even in a legal sense, the seller is perfectly within their rights to decide to sell it later if they think that the best offer is still to come. I don't see anything unfair about this; on the contrary, it's rather unfair to expect a seller to part with an item for significantly less than it's worth. While OBO may be misleading if the seller decides to try accepting offers on it at a later time (which is why I don't like to use it for my private sales), it's still perfectly legal for them to decide to tender offers on it at a later time. Whether it's unethcial or not has to be left to the morals of the seller and the individual situation. My first choice would be: Best offer above $400 received by 2001 April 30. or First offer above $400 get it. Agreed. After the straight first offer of $400 gets it that I prefer, these are the only two ways that I would consider selling an item privately, unless I really wanted to get rid of it and used OBO. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fun with Artifacts
Nice work Doug, hat1.jpg is very, very nice... Norm Brewer, Doug wrote: Just thought I'd throw out a couple links to some work I've been doing here at the museum. Mostly what I do is record-keeping images, but there's no law that says they must be totally boring, so I've been having a little fun here and there. Anyway, here are a few samples: http://www.alphoto.com/hat1.jpg http://www.alphoto.com/powderhorns1.jpg http://www.alphoto.com/pot.jpg http://www.alphoto.com/pots.jpg http://www.alphoto.com/rifle1.jpg All of these shots were done with an Olympus C-3030 digicam (!), and to stretch this to make it somewhat related to Pentax photography, many of these shots have been repeated on film using my Pentax cameras and lenses. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a humorous note, several years ago there was an American television commercial in which a grown man was serving as a slave to his friend because as a youngster he had bet his friend a million dollar that a certain sports team would win the game. *LOL* That's why I like discussion like this one... they're fun. Though I'm going to start marking this thread OT, since it's more about selling than photography. Thanks for the laugh! :) chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just don't get it, guys. Why does everyone respect the sensible EBay selling paradigm--set a minimum or don't complain or reneg if you fail to get it--but feel that this approach is inappropriate for a non-EBay classified ad? Maybe because eBay is a formal, structured environment with rules, regulations, and the power to enforce them. Has anyone tried doing this with a classified ad? Who's to say if the seller is even telling the truth? The buyer asks if his/her offer of $100 was the high bid and the seller says no. How is the buyer going to verify if this is true or not? It's completely unenforceable. Yes, Chris, the absense of a time frame clears them of legal responsibility. Again, that's my point! The ad isn't binding. The only way to make is to say, Look, either name a deadline, name a minimum, or name a first $XX gets it figure, but say SOMETHING to delimit what you mean. So if we're agreed that OBO isn't binding in a legal sense, are you saying that it should be binding in a moral or ethical sense? Or are you arguing that OBO should not be binding in any way, but that it's potentially misleading and vague, and that sellers should try and be more clear? I'd almost accept, Or best offer above a certain number that's in my head. :) Many bulletin boards--I'm speaking of the cork kind found on college campuses or supermarkets--have a policy: A notice can remain posted for just N weeks. If you try to be clever and accidentally leave off the date you posted it, your notice will be removed. Very true, but there's nothing to stop a seller from posting a new notice every N weeks if want to. As a buyer, you have the right to withdraw your bid if you feel that the seller is acting unethically. And *you* will have to decide what you consider unethical. If I suspected that my bid of $50 was the best current offer for an item the seller wanted $500 for, I wouldn't consider it unethical of them to post the notice again until they got a fairer offer. If my offer was in, say, the $400-$450 range, I might feel differently. If I wanted the item that bad, I would offer more. If I didn't, I would hold out and see if my $400-$450 bid would remain the high one. Perhaps after a few weeks of lower offers the seller will reconsider their appraisal of the item's value. However, there's also a chance that someone will offer more, and I'll lose the item. If I got the impression that the seller was negotiating in bad faith, I'd talk to them about it, and if I wasn't satisfied with their explanation (every situation will be different, and it's nice to know the seller's perspective) then I would withdraw my bid. Trust has to be there. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
telezoom, part III
OK, I think I've settled on the following lens, thanks to everyone's insight and experience: Pentax F 70-210 f/4.0-5.6 (autofocus) It'll be my first (and probably only) telezoom. Unfortunately, I've been told it was discontinued some time ago, replaced with an FA 70-200, which leads me to my dumb question of the week (is anyone keeping count?) Where can I find one of these? (and what's a fair price?) thanks! _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
I'm glad you noted the smiley, Mark. For the record: In language theory, there are two kinds of OR: 1. exclusive, or alternative: Do you prefer Nikon cameras or Pentax? Shall I torture you, or will you reveal the code? Coffee, tea, or milk? 2. includive, or Boolean: Find every web page that has Nikon OR junk. So instructed, a highly Boolean search engine such as Alta Vista will will return three kinds of pages: a. Nikon cameras are swell.(only Nikon) b. Junk in, junk out. (only junk or its case variants) c. Nikon cameras are junk. (both character strings permitted). If you wanted ONLY Nikon, or ONLY junk, you would have to instruct Alta Vista to search for Nikon AND NOT junk. This particular example, however, could pose a problem: I'm not sure how well Alta Vista handles oxymorons. Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But then I also realized that most of these statements say something like $500.00 *or* best offer. Because that OR is in there they can always turn the best offer they receive and opt to hold out for the $500! ;-) (note smiley Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Product Quote for MZ-S
- Original Message - From: Pål Jensen Hence, most of us should hopefully be able to get hold of one by the first half of june. Even me ! _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
- Original Message - From: aimcompute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 24, 2001 11:54 AM Subject: Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase Where do you want me to stick it? :-) BTW, I didn't mention the travel expenses... lodging, car rental, per diem... Hey, I have witnesses. You didn't mention anything about lodging, car rentals or per diems in the original offer. You said you would build a dog house for a hundred bucks. Now we just have to figure out if it is a hundred Canadian or American. It may be a bad deal Tom, but thats life. I want my dog house, as specified, or I'll sue your ass. HAR Wheatfield Willie - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
- Original Message - From: Tom Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 24, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase Well, he made one of those unilateral contracts with you didn't he? I think you made my point exactly, Bill. --Tom Ya, and now he is trying to weasel out of it. I bet he comes back and says that the smiley indicated he was just kidding around. G William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Subject: RE: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
Private sales don't have rules? The more's the pity. Time was, a handshake was binding, and an oral agreement was not dismissed for want of a piece of paper. My teenage son in Israel has spent the past year studying the Talmudic tractate that deals with personal business agreements: I agree to do this or that for you, on the condition that you pay me such-and-such in return. Or: I agree to lend this tool to you, and you agree to take good care of it. While some of the legal analysis and debate hinges on written contracts, by far the greater share deals with implied or spoken agreements and implicit responsibility: 1. I lend you an axe, and while you use it the head comes off. Who is responsible? 2. I agree to watch your sheep while you are away, but I do it as a favor (for free); if a wolf kills one of your sheep, must I remunerate you? 3. I say I returned the money (or tool) that you lent me; you say I didn't. On whom lies the burden of proof? I am not suggesting that the conclusions adduced by the Talmud are the right conclusions for all societies and economies. But say what you will about being overly legalistic: The alternative--no rule of law--may be worse. -- Leonard Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Auctions have rules. Private sales don't. Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
:-) :-) :-) Hey you can sue my ass all you want, but you won't get much money out of there... (maybe it's a safer place than the stock market though)... And if you do sue my ass I'll sue yours right back. Which court system do you think will be faster, Canadian or American? You sue me and I GUARANTEE your dogs'll die of old age before a resolution is reached. Tom C. - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 12:58 PM Subject: Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase - Original Message - From: aimcompute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 24, 2001 11:54 AM Subject: Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase Where do you want me to stick it? :-) BTW, I didn't mention the travel expenses... lodging, car rental, per diem... Hey, I have witnesses. You didn't mention anything about lodging, car rentals or per diems in the original offer. You said you would build a dog house for a hundred bucks. Now we just have to figure out if it is a hundred Canadian or American. It may be a bad deal Tom, but thats life. I want my dog house, as specified, or I'll sue your ass. HAR Wheatfield Willie - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
In the 1980s, here in the United States, a man placed his Mercedes-Benz for sale. An attractive woman was interested, and they struck an unusual deal: If she agreed to sleep with him 100 times, the Mercedes would be hers. Perhaps she felt ashamed, perhaps he was no Don Juan, but it wasn't long before she regretted her decision. After about the 15th round. she asked to back out of the deal, offering to return the Benz, with compensation. But the seller refused, insisting that their deal was binding. Their written agreementhad not not provided for this exigency. So the matter went to court. As I recall, the state ruled as follows: Since her service was not a legal activity, theirs was not a legal agreement. Tiger Moses [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember, money isn't always involved. Say a guy has a motor cycle for sale $800 or OBO you come by and show him a laptop you'll trade for the motorcycle, and he say ok I've know people who have traded computer for used cars! Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: RE: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
Well I would say OBO does not explicitly or implicity mean ANY offer accepted. Isn't that the crux if this? Do you grok what I'm saying? You're right any sale should follow fair business rules, but if they did then I wouldn't need to be calling my attorney about William Robb and his dog house and then all the lawyers would be sleeping on city sidewalks in tent cities. Think of the big picture... :-) Tom C. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:15 PM Subject: Subject: RE: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase Private sales don't have rules? The more's the pity. Time was, a handshake was binding, and an oral agreement was not dismissed for want of a piece of paper. My teenage son in Israel has spent the past year studying the Talmudic tractate that deals with personal business agreements: I agree to do this or that for you, on the condition that you pay me such-and-such in return. Or: I agree to lend this tool to you, and you agree to take good care of it. While some of the legal analysis and debate hinges on written contracts, by far the greater share deals with implied or spoken agreements and implicit responsibility: 1. I lend you an axe, and while you use it the head comes off. Who is responsible? 2. I agree to watch your sheep while you are away, but I do it as a favor (for free); if a wolf kills one of your sheep, must I remunerate you? 3. I say I returned the money (or tool) that you lent me; you say I didn't. On whom lies the burden of proof? I am not suggesting that the conclusions adduced by the Talmud are the right conclusions for all societies and economies. But say what you will about being overly legalistic: The alternative--no rule of law--may be worse. -- Leonard Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Auctions have rules. Private sales don't. Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Spot Metering Question
Finally found the group after quite a while. I remember somebody posting a correction chart when spot metering. Example, add 2 stops if subject was a white color such as a wedding dress. Is this still the way? I purchased a PZ1p and was wondering if I let the metering system do it, ot do I compensate? Thanks.Craig
Re: teleconverters
I seem to recall someone asking about the Vivitar Macro teleconverters recently. FYI, there's one on KEH for $59.00 and it's the version that has the A setting. They also list a Pentax 1.7x AF teleconverter but it's not available 'cause I just bought it :-) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad you noted the smiley, Mark. For the record: In language theory, there are two kinds of OR: 1. exclusive, or alternative: 2. includive, or Boolean: Yup, I'm aware of the difference between inclusive and exclusive OR statements. I was taught in school that Boolean OR statements could be either inclusive or exclusive. Electronic logic diagrams have different symbols for inclusive and exclusive OR gates and the Boolean symbology used for describing logic circuits has different symbols for them. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Favorite Film Roll Call Results UPDATE 9
These are the conditions: 1 - You must answer off-list, right to me. 2 - You must choose your favorite emulsion (35 and 120/220 allowed. Color and b and w) 3 - You must choose ONLY ONE (color print OR slide OR b and w, etc). 4 - You must have personal experience with it. WINNER by now: Tri-X with 7 votes. Members: 53 COLOR (Print and Slide): Kodak Kodachrome 25 (2) Fuji Velvia (4) Kodak Kodachrome 64 (3) Kodak Elitechrome Extra Color 100 (2) Kodak Ektachrome 100 VS (3) Fuji Sensia II 100 (3) Fuji Provia 100F (5) Kodak Supra 100 (1) Fuji Reala 100 (1) Kodak Portra 160 NC (1) Kodak Kodachrome 200 (1) Kodak Ektachrome E200 (1) Agfa HDC Plus 200 (1) Kodak Max 400 (1) Kodak Ektapress PJ 400 (1) Kodak Supra 400 (1) Kodak Portra 400 NC (1) Agfa Optima Prestige II 400 (1) Fuji Press 400 (1) Kodak Portra 800 (1) Fuji Press 800 (1) Kodak PJC 1600 (1) BLACK AND WHITE: Ilford Delta 100 (2) Kodak Plus-X (1) Ilford FP4 Plus (2) Agfa Scala 200x (1) Kodak Tri-X (7) Agfa APX 400 (1) Ilford HP5 (1) INFRARED: Kodak HIE (1) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Spot Metering Question
At 03:22 PM 4/24/01 EDT, you wrote: Finally found the group after quite a while. I remember somebody posting a correction chart when spot metering. Example, add 2 stops if subject was a white color such as a wedding dress. Is this still the way? I purchased a PZ1p and was wondering if I let the metering system do it, ot do I compensate? Thanks.Craig yep, if SPOT metering, and not metering something aprox 18% grey, then if you meter something white and wnat it white +2 if you meter somehting BLACK and want it BLACK then -2 or use the ZONE SYSTEM - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Spot Metering Question
My first thought is that, no matter the meter, it thinks the subject is 18% gray (or13%, depending on your local guru). [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/24 12:22 PM Finally found the group after quite a while. I remember somebody posting a correction chart when spot metering. Example, add 2 stops if subject was a white color such as a wedding dress. Is this still the way? I purchased a PZ1p and was wondering if I let the metering system do it, ot do I compensate? Thanks.Craig - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
SMC 24/2.8K (10-), $225 U.S.
For my fellow SMC devotees who want old glass in nice condition: 13478 - Pentax lens: K mount 24 SMC/2.8 10- $225 w/case http://www.prodevlab.com/body.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Fast, Clean Glass* (200/2.8A*, 300/4A*, 300/2.8A*) at Ritz Camera online
Avoid EBA syndrome (EBay Anxiety); I spotted these over the weekend at http://www.ritzcam.com/catalog/index.html Pentax, 200mm f2.8 SMC A* ED (green star) w/built-in hood, both caps #5696xxx (10-) $795 Pentax, 300mm f4.0 SMC A* ED (green star) w/built-in hood, both caps #5304xxx (10-) $695 Pentax, 300mm f2.8 SMC A* EDIF w/caps, in metal case.Awesome Lens! #5685xxx (9++) $2,750 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Red/Green Filter
- Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: Red/Green Filter On a whim I bid on a Chromostar Red/Green filter off ebay. I received it today. What a weird thing! It operates like a polarizer, but instead of polarized/unpolarized it shifts between red and green, with a weird sort of in-between combination that's hard to describe...maybe it's squant. Anyway, the thing loses about *7* stops, so it's practically useless. I have three similar filters - yellow/magenta and red/green - without any names at the different color-pairs. Without the second polarizing filter I looked through them, turning them, at roofs (blue sunny sky) and saw a strange change of colors (only - 2 or -3 stops), but did not take pictures. Sorry, I have no words to describe the effects ... Many greetings Kristian-H. Schuessler - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: telezoom, part III
I paid $99 for one! - Original Message - From: K C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 5:40 PM Subject: telezoom, part III OK, I think I've settled on the following lens, thanks to everyone's insight and experience: Pentax F 70-210 f/4.0-5.6 (autofocus) It'll be my first (and probably only) telezoom. Unfortunately, I've been told it was discontinued some time ago, replaced with an FA 70-200, which leads me to my dumb question of the week (is anyone keeping count?) Where can I find one of these? (and what's a fair price?) thanks! _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: telezoom, part III
good choice...try KEH...last time I looked they were a few of these going for about $140-$170...Cheers, Bob --- K C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I think I've settled on the following lens, thanks to everyone's insight and experience: Pentax F 70-210 f/4.0-5.6 (autofocus) It'll be my first (and probably only) telezoom. Unfortunately, I've been told it was discontinued some time ago, replaced with an FA 70-200, which leads me to my dumb question of the week (is anyone keeping count?) Where can I find one of these? (and what's a fair price?) thanks! _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Or Best Offer: a misleading--and dishonest--phrase
Hi, your explanation isn't really very clear. First you talk about language theory, and then you talk about Boolean logic. 'or' frequently works differently in natural language and boolean logic. Your example 'coffee, tea or milk' is similar to a classic example from philosophy courses of inclusive or, rather than the exclusive or you claim. The situation is this: a philosopher asks his guest what he'd like to drink. The guest replies 'tea or coffee'. The philosopher returns with a cup containing both tea and coffee. This demonstrates several things, including: 1. philosophers are not comedians 2. the same term does not necessarily mean the same thing in natural language and technical language 3. always ask for gin In Boolean logic inclusive or (OR) and exclusive or (XOR) are derived from set theory. Consider 2 sets, A and B. x is an element of A OR B if and only if x is in the union of A and B. x is an element of A XOR B if and only if x is an element of the union of A and B and not in the intersection of A and B. Your torture example is not exclusive because it could happen, and frequently has, that a person reveals the code and still gets tortured. It also occasionally happens that they neither get tortured nor reveal the code - for example when James Bond abseils down the wall and swings in through the window to rescue the prisoner and kill the would-be torturer. It's an example of the informality imprecision of natural language. Your instruction to a boolean search engine is incomplete and inaccurate. It would not find pages which contain only 'junk'. It would probably have to be something like this: '(nikon or junk) and (not(nikon and junk))' assuming they don't have an xor operator, which would allow 'nikon xor junk'. --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday, April 24, 2001, 7:49:01 PM, you wrote: I'm glad you noted the smiley, Mark. For the record: In language theory, there are two kinds of OR: 1. exclusive, or alternative: Do you prefer Nikon cameras or Pentax? Shall I torture you, or will you reveal the code? Coffee, tea, or milk? 2. includive, or Boolean: Find every web page that has Nikon OR junk. So instructed, a highly Boolean search engine such as Alta Vista will will return three kinds of pages: a. Nikon cameras are swell.(only Nikon) b. Junk in, junk out. (only junk or its case variants) c. Nikon cameras are junk. (both character strings permitted). If you wanted ONLY Nikon, or ONLY junk, you would have to instruct Alta Vista to search for Nikon AND NOT junk. This particular example, however, could pose a problem: I'm not sure how well Alta Vista handles oxymorons. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: telezoom, part III
WOW...just checked the KEH websight...these lenses in excellent con. are selling for $80.!!! --- K C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I think I've settled on the following lens, thanks to everyone's insight and experience: Pentax F 70-210 f/4.0-5.6 (autofocus) It'll be my first (and probably only) telezoom. Unfortunately, I've been told it was discontinued some time ago, replaced with an FA 70-200, which leads me to my dumb question of the week (is anyone keeping count?) Where can I find one of these? (and what's a fair price?) thanks! _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: lens of the week: 2000/13.5 and M 2000/13.5
From: Bojidar Dimitrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, a question to the optical-formula gurus. Pentax describes the optics of this mirror lens as 6 elements in 4 groups. Looking at the diagram that they provide us, I see 8 elements. I will number them 1 through 8 when looking from left to right. 1 and 2 as well as 5 and 6 seem to be forming the two two-element groups (like the optical formula suggests), but what about the rest? I am thinking like this: - elements 2 and 3 must be mirrors, so they might not be counted towards the number of optical elements. Now we are down to 6 elements which agrees with Pentax. But the number of groups is now 5. - alternatively, element 8 is the screw-on filter, so that might not be counted. Then we are left with 7-5. Still doesn's fit. Your ideas are welcome. Cheers, Boz Boz, my interpretation : first group of 2 elements, some schmidt/maksutov like corrector forms a group with the secundary mirror. Second group of 1 element is the primary mirror (maybe mangin mirror?) light goes then to the already mentioned secondary mirror, and then back to the third group af 1 element, a negative lens. Then the 2 element fourth group, some kitted achromat. So, now we have 4 groups and 6 elements, although I have my doubts if it is right to consider the corrector/secondary mirror one group. The last 2 elements, are the 2 filterwheels. one for the color filters, and one for the ND filters Probably not counted as elements. George - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: This filter stinks!
This is a reply to a really old message but what the heck: After checking carefully there is no doubt that the filter is an Aroma! Perhaps they're trying to get people to mistake them for Aruma filters? ;-) (Something definitely smells funny here...) I can confirm that. I have an Aroma brand 49mm UV filter, that came with my M50mm 1.4. Of course, the filter is now protecting the bottom of some drawer at home, and the lens is being used naked most of the time. j -- - Juan J. Buhler | Sr. FX Animator @ PDI | http://www.crosswinds.net/~jbuhler - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Help with The Mental Game
Hi Stephen I don't know if there is an easy answer to your problem. My passion at present is photographing horses racing, especially harness racing. I am just now starting to be happy with the majority of my photographs. The last year has been a big, long, steep learning curve. I have burnt a lot of film, and I try to make every new roll better than the last. I go to at least one meeting a week, most times two, including trials every Sunday morning. The horses practice racing, I practice photographing them. Every time I get a film developed I look at it critically, finding things that I like, and finding things I have done wrong. The next time out I try to improve on the bad, whilst trying to retain the good. It is most times easier said than done. Throughout it all, though, I have kept working towards goals. I'm trying to get to the point where I'm good enough to be able to photograph horses racing and be able to sell the prints to the owners. Whether I actually go down the path of selling prints is a different matter, I want to get to that point where the results are good enough to be sold. I'm at the point now where a number of shots are good enough, but I'm still missing more than I'd like. One thing I have noticed in the last year is that I find I need to concentrate on the task in hand. If I'm at the races with friends, I leave the cameras behind. It is hard to concentrate on more than one thing at a time. You may want to try going to a couple of meetings just to photograph, not officiate. Equipment wise, I find I am using Fuji Press 800 almost exclusively when I photograph horses. It allows fast shutter speeds with good depth of field during the day. I have now got a decent monopod, which has helped considerably with stability ( and my confidence). I use a Z-1p, MZ-3 with primes (50/1.7, 105/2.8, 135/2.8 and 300/4). I get to borrow a Sigma 70-200/2.8 this weekend (with a bit of luck) so I'll be giving that a good work out. If you play golf you'll understand that it is that one good drive, or that one 20 foot putt that gets you back next week. I find the same with my photography. That one good shot makes it all worthwhile. Cheers At 22:06 24/04/01, you wrote: A question, please, to the collective Pentaxian wisdom: How do you psych yourselves back up out of a slump, namely a run of bad results? Or maybe more important, how do you psych yourselves so that a run of bad results doesn't degenerate into a self-perpetuating slump? Saturday and Sunday I was out at the first motorcycle event at my local road circuit (albeit primarily as a corner marshal and only secondarily as a photographer). I thought that at the beginning of my fifth season I would have internalized enough that I'd start seeing past the details and could concentrate on making photographs. This turned out not to be the case: It was like I didn't know anything, and Sunday night I went away with a really bad feeling that turned out even worse than I anticipated when the prints came back yesterday. Bad exposure (mostly over), bad color, bad focus, inappropriate depths of field, and bad technique -- even on panning, which I usually seem to have a knack for. Even allowing for a possible subconscious paranoia (that I'd have to drop the camera in a hurry because a bike and rider would come tumbling toward me through the gravel trap), I'm still asking myself: How could I have sucked that bad? (Dirty details: LX w/winder mostly on manual, 70-210A f/4 and 300M* f/4, Fuji Reala and Superia 200) All moral support appreciated... Stephen Moore __ You got a Zarg in here? Are you *nuts*??? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . Jon Relax! Take life as it comes, you can't chase the sun, you can't race the wind - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fast, Clean Glass* (200/2.8A*, 300/4A*, 300/2.8A*) at RitzCamera online
Probably not nuts, Paal. Your postings seem coherent. But, then. I have personal article insurance on all my camera stuff. All the reputable commercial sources for a Pentax A300 F4 seem to show the lens at $650 and up. I have the insurance level for that lens at $700. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/24 2:03 PM Anyone who buys these lenses at those prices must be pretty nuts...Or maybe I'm nuts who sell my lenses cheaply... :-) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 10:36 PM Subject: Fast, Clean Glass* (200/2.8A*, 300/4A*, 300/2.8A*) at Ritz Camera online Avoid EBA syndrome (EBay Anxiety); I spotted these over the weekend at http://www.ritzcam.com/catalog/index.html Pentax, 200mm f2.8 SMC A* ED (green star) w/built-in hood, both caps #5696xxx (10-) $795 Pentax, 300mm f4.0 SMC A* ED (green star) w/built-in hood, both caps #5304xxx (10-) $695 Pentax, 300mm f2.8 SMC A* EDIF w/caps, in metal case.Awesome Lens! #5685xxx (9++) $2,750 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: teleconverters
A classic-camera collector/user who has a high regard for Pentax has asked me to post this question: Recently, I got two Pentax 2X TC's: the Rear Converter K T6-2X and the Rear Converter-A 2X-S. Has anyone on the Pentax list who ever compared these two units, or done any testing -- formal or informal -- of these puppies? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: Telezoom
oh no!!! this is killing me, I checked KEH and it has the following lens: Pentax 70-210 f/4.0-5.6 Takumar F Autofocus. There are, indeed a bunch for less than $100. But no one mentioned this being a Takumar lens, I thought it was a Pentax SMC lens. Are these 2 different lenses? Which one is the one tested on Photodo? Now, no one told me this was a Takumar Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:40:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Poe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: telezoom, part III good choice...try KEH...last time I looked they were a few of these going for about $140-$170...Cheers, Bob - --- K C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I think I've settled on the following lens, thanks to everyone's insight and experience: Pentax F 70-210 f/4.0-5.6 (autofocus) It'll be my first (and probably only) telezoom. Unfortunately, I've been told it was discontinued some time ago, replaced with an FA 70-200, which leads me to my dumb question of the week (is anyone keeping count?) Where can I find one of these? (and what's a fair price?) thanks! _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Product Quote for MZ-S
dick graham wrote: Adorama will have the MZ-S available May 1, now that may mean it can be ordered May 1 or it may be that they will have it on hand May 1, I didn't ask. Pentax USA has told me that the MZ-S Literature will be available starting in May. They now are sending out a temporary brochure/flyer. I got a quote from Adorama on the MZ-S, and they will begin selling them for $999.95 US dollars. Ouch. I think I'll go for a used PZ1-P Whoever's gonna want to sell theirs for a new MZ-S, please contact me! Sid - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More teleconverter questions
Bob, I have a 600mm FA that I regularly use with a 1.4X-L converter. I can't tell from the image whether it was taken with or without the converter. My personal belief is to use the Pentax converters with Pentax lenses. I believe (unsubstantiated) these combos produce the best results. Ken Waller - Original Message - From: Bob Keefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 12:43 AM Subject: More teleconverter questions Thanks for the responses so far. Since there is apparently no way to use a 2X converter on my FA*300/4.5 and get decent results, I'm wondering about better options for photographing birds. 1. The FA*400/5.6 and 1.4X converter. Anyone do this? Is the S or L converter better for this lens? 2. An old SMC 500/4.5. Anyone use this lens? Does it work well with converters? 3. Suck up and buy an A* 600/5.6. Meanwhile, anyone actually used this thing with TCs? 4. Sell off enough equipment to buy myself a Canon 100-400/5.6 with IS and a body to slap on the back. I can borrow my son's converters. This begins to look more and more like the future, if I stay interested in birds. Some time I should pencil out the cost of all these ideas. Thoughts? Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Tamron 300/2.8 hood/cap
Have you tried Tamron? Ken Waller - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 8:31 AM Subject: WTB: Tamron 300/2.8 hood/cap Hi, Looking for the (front) cap [112mm!] and hood (bayonet, reversible [A8FH?])for the manual focus Tamron 300/2.8 [360B] A manual would be nice, also. Will buy and pay postage or have Pentax and other brand (Rollei, Exa) swaps. As so many people have been telling how much they drop their cameras, I thought there might be a chance... mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
