Re: PESO -- Angst on the Rocks (I and II)

[Jay Taylor]

PJ,
I like the first one much better than the second. For me it just has  
more interest throughout the frame. I don't see the girl as the  
subject so much in this one as the setting.
If the distant island wasn't there it would not work as well, but I   
just sense something special about the place and the relationship  
between all the elements seems to work together quite well.

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Re: Pentax telephoto lens mount

[David Mann]

On Jul 19, 2006, at 8:48 AM, Tom Reese wrote:

> For those who haven't seen the Pentax collars, the foot has a  
> removable metal plate with a standard tripod thread in the center  
> of it. The foot also has two smaller holes that could be useful to  
> stabilize the lens if anyone made a QR plate with the proper  
> hardware to take advantage of them. I see a market for a QR plate  
> with two metal pins to fit the smaller holes and the usual screw  
> with tripod thread. The metal pins would be useful to keep the lens  
> from rotating around the tripod screw.

I drilled a Manfrotto hex plate, threaded the hole, then put a short  
M4 screw through it with some superglue to stop it from ever coming  
back out.  It fits both the F*300 and FA*400 lenses, but I had to do  
a separate plate for the 6x7 as the hole spacings are different.

I didn't do it to stabilise the lens though: I did it because the  
stupid Manfrotto plates I have are coated with cork (later versions  
use rubber).  It doesn't matter how much you tighten them, as  
anything heavy will always come loose.  The extra screw stops the  
lens from twisting any more than a fraction of a degree.

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Re: Adobe Lightroom for Windows (almost) available now

[John Francis]

No - that didn't work at the time I tried it - that was a
broken link to a page on the Macromedia web site.  It has
now been replaced by a working link to a page on the Adobe
site (and the link now says "Download Macintosh or Windows
Beta").  As I said, the email was alittle premature; they
hadn't quite finished updating the links on the web pages.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 11:47:55PM -0500, Paul Sorenson wrote:
> John -
> 
> After you get to the browser screen that the link in the e-mail takes 
> you to, click on the link that says "download the Mac beta".  You will 
> sign in, answer a few survey questions, then get to a page with links to 
> download either the Mac or the Windows beta.  I've got it downloaded and 
> installed, but it's too late to play with it tonight.  Will have to wait 
> 'til tomorrow.
> 
> -P
> 
> John Francis wrote:
> > Adobe have just announced the availability of a Beta version
> > of Lightroom fow Windows.   The announcement seems to be a bit
> > premature - the link in the announcement email doesn't quite
> > work - but I expect it to be downloadable Real Soon Now (TM).
> > 
> > I'm looking forward to trying this product.
> > 
> > 
> 
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Re: PESO: Horse Tail Sky

[David Mann]

On Jul 19, 2006, at 2:55 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=137
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=138

I like the extra streaks at the left of the first one, but I also  
think that the second one works very well.

I think I'd prefer a touch less saturation, but that's just me.

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Re: PESO: Wild Oats

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/18/2006 7:42:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'll be pleased to see your treatment if you'd like. :))

Jack
===
As promised.

http://members.aol.com/eactivist/wildoats2.jpg

But I think the adjustments I made are so minor that there is little real 
difference between it and your original. In other words, I didn't really 
improve 
it. :-)

There was not much detail to bring up.

Later, Marnie aka Doe 

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Re: PESO -- Angst on the Rocks (I and II)

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/18/2006 3:49:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You're making my life a lot more interesting than it actually is.  I 
never actually met the lady. 

Oh, well.

You do have a dog.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

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Re: PESO where wine comes from

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/15/2006 9:13:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The way you framed them is fairly static ... by that I mean, too much  
sky, too much centered and balanced for my taste. A little less sky,  
a little closer in to the foreground would have given them a bit more  
dynamic feel.

Godfrey
===
Yes. I would have gone for more unusual angles, shot low to ground or 
something. Or less in the frame. These have been done so much one has to 
stretch a 
bit to make them more interesting. And you appear to have been shooting fairly 
midday, which doesn't add much interest in the way of light. Our CA hills glow 
more early morning or late afternoon.

I guess basically what Shel and Godfrey have already said. I actually think 
shooting wine country so it is somewhat dynamic is not that easy.

Marnie aka Doe 

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Re: PESO: the long walk home

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/18/2006 2:45:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I wanted to capture a sense of the world bearing down upon him, as well as
the rain.

I was in two minds about cropping off the whole top third of the image - but
in the end opted to leave it.

-- jim

"ee it's grim oop north" ;-)

You succeeded. All that brick, those windows, almost looks like some kind of 
prison.

I think, though, you could crop off most of the overpass, not all, just most.

And naturally, if you are going to quote someone, better me than Cotty.

LOL.

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RE: PESO - Flatiron

[Jens Bladt]

Ceautiful picture. The contrats dark/bright buildings adds depth.
Since it's favorite subject, it would be nice to also see the top of the two
towers  ;-)
Regards

Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk
+45 56 63 77 11
+45 23 43 85 77
Skype: jensbladt248

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Emne: PESO - Flatiron


http://www.flickr.com/photos/mawz/191286989/

Nikon F3HP, Silvertone 400 in Rodinal 1:25. The Gooderham Building in
Toronto, one of my personal favourite subjects.

For the Flickr-phobic, a large JPG direct link:
http://static.flickr.com/66/191286989_a2a161d23a_b.jpg

-Adam


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Re: PESO -- Angst on the Rocks (I and II)

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/18/2006 3:07:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well anyway here they are.

Angst on the Rocks I
http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_aotrckI.html

Angst on the Rocks II
http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_aotrckII.html

Tech. Info.:
No tech. info.  I'm feeling lazy today.
===
One is very nice. Two doesn't work nearly as well, although the light is nice.

I really like one.

Don't tell me you have a girlfriend AND a dog???

Marnie aka Doe   What is the world coming to?

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Re: PESO - Flatiron

[Eactivist]

What he said.

Like the contrast of the buildings behind with the flatiron.

Marnie aka Doe

=

Hey, that is one very cool shot!  I love how the buildings behind are
kind of high key - almost ghost-like.  Nice work!

-- 
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> Nikon F3HP, Silvertone 400 in Rodinal 1:25. The Gooderham Building in
> Toronto, one of my personal favourite subjects.

> For the Flickr-phobic, a large JPG direct link:
> http://static.flickr.com/66/191286989_a2a161d23a_b.jpg

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Re: PESO -- RIP Dino

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/18/2006 9:12:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Just to make everyone who feels that the PESO bar has been raised too 
far sleep a little better at night I've decided to post this.  A little 
background.  I take my dog for a walk down to the shore just about every 
night.  We walk out to the end of the old stone wharf/jetty in clear 
violation of the official no dogs policy.  This Impromptu memorial to, I 
can only assume, the end of the age of the dinosaurs must have been 
there for years, but I only looked down and noticed it today...

http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_ripdino.html

Tech. Info.: If anyone really cares they can ask...

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
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Someone has a sense of humor re memorial.

Funny, you've never struck me as the dog owner type. 

I probably shouldn't clarify that. ;-)

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Re: PESO: Sierra Ranch III

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/18/2006 9:57:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bruce,
I'll just go ahead and embarrass myself (my life long challenge) by
saying that I don't have any idea. 
I'm going to try a much larger upload. 
I desaturated the green, but the image still has a green look about it.
I think, it's simply do to the expanse of grass.
I set the image size, but when attached, it's seriously compressed.(??)
How do I estimate the final size?

Jack

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=139
=
Jack, that's a lot better re green. A lot, lot. And I like it a lot better.

But the file size seems a bit big for dial-up, takes a while to load.

Of course, I have not helped the file size issue at all, have I?

Hehehehe.

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Re: Adobe Lightroom for Windows (almost) available now

[Paul Sorenson]

John -

After you get to the browser screen that the link in the e-mail takes 
you to, click on the link that says "download the Mac beta".  You will 
sign in, answer a few survey questions, then get to a page with links to 
download either the Mac or the Windows beta.  I've got it downloaded and 
installed, but it's too late to play with it tonight.  Will have to wait 
'til tomorrow.

-P

John Francis wrote:
> Adobe have just announced the availability of a Beta version
> of Lightroom fow Windows.   The announcement seems to be a bit
> premature - the link in the announcement email doesn't quite
> work - but I expect it to be downloadable Real Soon Now (TM).
> 
> I'm looking forward to trying this product.
> 
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Re: PESO - Jump

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/18/2006 3:24:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] 
writes:
Just a summer picture:
http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=247689

*istD and DA 14mm 2.8

DagT
===
Gotta say my first reaction to this is that looks dangerous. Kept looking for 
the water. Didn't find any.

Nice carefree stuff, but watch out -- it may turn into a painting.

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Adobe Lightroom for Windows (almost) available now

[John Francis]

Adobe have just announced the availability of a Beta version
of Lightroom fow Windows.   The announcement seems to be a bit
premature - the link in the announcement email doesn't quite
work - but I expect it to be downloadable Real Soon Now (TM).

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Re: ZX-5n

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jul 18, 2006, at 6:05 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> It puts me in mind of this probably apocryphal graffiti...
>
> God is Dead!
> --Nietzsche
> Nietzsche is dead.
> -- God.

Life is an illusion.
   -- Siddhartha

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Re: ZX-5n

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/18/2006 4:40:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is film dead?
I dunno, but my MZ-S on eBay has had 7 bids and met the $500.00
reserve price in only two days.

-- 
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Cool.

See? You should have reserved it higher.

Hehehe. Bet you are kicking yourself. :-)

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Re: Re follow up on DS speed test

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I just compared the Addonics FireWire reader vs the Sandisk ImageMate  
12-in-1 using the Transcend 150x SD 2G capacity card. I loaded the  
card with 1.9 G of RAW files and then initiated a full capacity  
download from card to computer through each reader (Mac OS X v10.4.7  
on a PowerMac G5 with a fast 500G drive).

Results:
The Addonics reader achieves [EMAIL PROTECTED] read speed average for  
a total transfer time of 7.9 minutes.
The Sandisk reader achieves [EMAIL PROTECTED] read speed average for a  
total transfer time of 3.8 minutes.

I haven't run the test with CF cards yet ... it could well be  
different, just don't have the time to test it right now. But so far,  
the Sandisk ImageMate 12-in-1 USB 2.0 reader is the gold standard for  
download speed. :-)

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Re: PESO: Horse Tail Sky

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/18/2006 8:08:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Came upon this scene some time back and quickly pulled over (I usually
just slow down ) for a quick hand held grab.
Clouds (not jet con trails) were in a striking form over my neighboring
Sutter Buttes and I was shaky anxious to 'get the shot'.
I don't recall if I had a tripod in the car, but I went with a little
DOF sacrifice in the interest of time. Softish foreground resulted.
The left side is very dramatic, but, over time, the cropped left side
version is more in keeping with my file of compositional "rules".
Requesting your opinions.

Jack

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=137

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=138

Both are good. I prefer the first though. Feels more complete to me or 
something, although the second has a more dynamic composition.

Nice shot!

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Re: PESO - Blue Heron

[Rick Womer]

Very nice, Bruce; but those birds sure look a lot
better when they're flying!

Rick

--- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At least I think it is.  This was taken on the same
> walk yesterday as
> the egrets.  The odd looking patterns you see in the
> background are, I
> believe, reflections from trees and foliage.  I shot
> from a small hill
> above the bird so he was entirely surrounded by
> water and all the
> background is a reflection.
> 
> Pentax *istD, Tokina AT-X SD 400/5.6, handheld
> ISO 200, 1/750 sec @ f/6.7
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3192a.htm
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> -- 
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Re: PESO - Flatiron

[Rick Womer]

Great shot, Adam.  Old v new, but with the lighting
and atmospheric conditions just right.

But jeez, could you post your shots somewhere other
than flickr, please, so that we could see more than
postage-stamp views?

Rick

--- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mawz/191286989/
> 
> Nikon F3HP, Silvertone 400 in Rodinal 1:25. The
> Gooderham Building in 
> Toronto, one of my personal favourite subjects.
> 
> For the Flickr-phobic, a large JPG direct link:
>
http://static.flickr.com/66/191286989_a2a161d23a_b.jpg
> 
> -Adam
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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jul 18, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> I'm really pretty happy with what I have for wide angle primes.
> I realize that it's unfashionable to be happy with the lenses you
> already own, but that's just the way it is.

:-)

I continue to be tickled by the notion of either the FA28/2.8 or  
DA21/3.2, but truthfully the FA20-35, DA14 and FA35 together do quite  
nicely by me.

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PESO -- RIP Dino

[P. J. Alling]

Just to make everyone who feels that the PESO bar has been raised too 
far sleep a little better at night I've decided to post this.  A little 
background.  I take my dog for a walk down to the shore just about every 
night.  We walk out to the end of the old stone wharf/jetty in clear 
violation of the official no dogs policy.  This Impromptu memorial to, I 
can only assume, the end of the age of the dinosaurs must have been 
there for years, but I only looked down and noticed it today...

http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_ripdino.html

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Re: PESO - Last Bird for awhile

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 7/18/2006 11:31:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is the last image from the walk.

Pentax *istD, Tokina AT-X SD 400/5.6, Handheld
ISO 200, 1/1000 sec @ f/8.0

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3194a.htm

Comments welcome.

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Re: PESO - Flatiron

[Bruce Dayton]

Hey, that is one very cool shot!  I love how the buildings behind are
kind of high key - almost ghost-like.  Nice work!

-- 
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Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 6:14:26 PM, you wrote:

AM> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mawz/191286989/

AM> Nikon F3HP, Silvertone 400 in Rodinal 1:25. The Gooderham Building in
AM> Toronto, one of my personal favourite subjects.

AM> For the Flickr-phobic, a large JPG direct link:
AM> http://static.flickr.com/66/191286989_a2a161d23a_b.jpg

AM> -Adam





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Re: Lens Test: DA 21 vs. FA 20

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jul 18, 2006, at 8:05 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:

>> It's good to know that the two lenses perform similarly with regard
>> to resolution, and that the DA21 has a slight edge on the FA20, but
>> 1m is a bit close for a real evaluation of potential image quality.
>
> I was aiming for 40 to 50x the focal length.

That's good for a reference measurement when shooting a resolution  
chart, but resolution charts really don't tell you much about the  
behavior of a lens when making photographs at more normally used  
distances. Rendering qualities, sharpness and contrast at focus  
distances used for practical picture taking are much more important.

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Re: PESO - Last Bird for awhile

[Ann Sanfedele]

Bruce Dayton wrote:
> 
> This is the last image from the walk.
> 
> Pentax *istD, Tokina AT-X SD 400/5.6, Handheld
> ISO 200, 1/1000 sec @ f/8.0
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3194a.htm
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> --
> Bruce
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I'm enjoying all your bird shots -- this one is my fave
because I particularly love great blues and
the pose you caught is great -- 

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Re: Pentax telephoto lens mount

[Kenneth Waller]

Kirk makes plates to fit any Pentax lens that I've needed them for. The 
usually have slots for two attaching screws that provide quite a bit of 
variation to fit screw hole location.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Reese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Pentax telephoto lens mount


> I've been looking at the mounting collars on my Pentax big glass and they 
> all have the exact same footprint. I  can see where that would be a good 
> thing if anyone actually built QR plates to fit them.
>
> For those who haven't seen the Pentax collars, the foot has a removable 
> metal plate with a standard tripod thread in the center of it. The foot 
> also has two smaller holes that could be useful to stabilize the lens if 
> anyone made a QR plate with the proper hardware to take advantage of them. 
> I see a market for a QR plate with two metal pins to fit the smaller holes 
> and the usual screw with tripod thread. The metal pins would be useful to 
> keep the lens from rotating around the tripod screw.
>
> Has anyone seen a plate that works in that fashion with Pentax glass? 
> know most QR systems have the little nubs than can be placed against the 
> edge of the foot but I think a plate with pins would be a better solution.
>
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Re: Lens Test: DA 21 vs. FA 20

[Joseph Tainter]

It's good to know that the two lenses perform similarly with regard
to resolution, and that the DA21 has a slight edge on the FA20, but
1m is a bit close for a real evaluation of potential image quality.

-

I was aiming for 40 to 50x the focal length.

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OT: "New" stuff in Columbus

[Collin R Brendemuehl]

I was in Chick's camera today.  It's one of the oldest of the stores 
in town and has a lot of old inventory.
They've got a bunch of excellent-looking screw mount stuff
and
one M50/4 macro that's basically as new in box.  Plastic bag isn't 
there, but the rest is.
(Unfortunately they want good prices for the stuff, but it's really 
excellent looking.
So if you're looking for some vintage stuff, there's some in Columbus.

ALSO I was told at one store which sells a lot to KEH that KEH can't 
get enough film stuff.
Amazing.  Prices have dropped but sales rates are still good.  Lower, 
but good enough to keep going.


Sincerely,

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Re: PESO - Flatiron

[Adam Maas]

Thanks Paul, I've been trying for quite a while to find an interesting 
angle on this building that I hadn't done before.

The second link will give a much larger version (698x1024 to be exact), 
as will the All Sizes tab offered in the first link (But only to Flickr 
users, sadly)

-Adam


Paul Stenquist wrote:
> I think this is the best shot of this well photographed building that  
> I've seen to date. However, it's hard to tell due to the tiny image  
> presented here. But it seems to be good work. Can we see more of it?
> Paul
> On Jul 18, 2006, at 9:14 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
> 
> 
>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/mawz/191286989/
>>
>>Nikon F3HP, Silvertone 400 in Rodinal 1:25. The Gooderham Building in
>>Toronto, one of my personal favourite subjects.
>>
>>For the Flickr-phobic, a large JPG direct link:
>>http://static.flickr.com/66/191286989_a2a161d23a_b.jpg
>>
>>-Adam
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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

[Aaron Reynolds]

Dunno, the DA Limiteds remind me a lot of the M series.  I'm really impressed 
with the build and size, and of course the clutch thingamajig.

The FA Limiteds are gorgeous, but I'd say the DA ones are even nicer.

I don't really think I'll shoot much or any 35mm film from now on, so the lack 
of an aperture ring and the digital-only coverage don't bother me in the 
slightest.  Hell, I hadn't shot any 35mm film in nearly a year BEFORE I bought 
the DS2.  I'm glad I never got around to selling most of my 35mm lenses.

-Aaron

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At 02:36 AM 19/07/2006, Mark Roberts wrote:
>P. J. Alling wrote:
>
> >It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film.  Not that
> >great for panoramas.  Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad
> >it doesn't have an aperture ring.
>
>The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of
>speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about.
>Certainly not excited enough to pay "Limited" prices.
>


Ditto.

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Re: PESO - Flatiron

[Paul Stenquist]

Okay, I got lucky and it opened up in a decent size. Great shot.  
Excellent by every measure.
Paul
On Jul 18, 2006, at 9:14 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mawz/191286989/
>
> Nikon F3HP, Silvertone 400 in Rodinal 1:25. The Gooderham Building in
> Toronto, one of my personal favourite subjects.
>
> For the Flickr-phobic, a large JPG direct link:
> http://static.flickr.com/66/191286989_a2a161d23a_b.jpg
>
> -Adam
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Re: PESO - Flatiron

[Paul Stenquist]

I think this is the best shot of this well photographed building that  
I've seen to date. However, it's hard to tell due to the tiny image  
presented here. But it seems to be good work. Can we see more of it?
Paul
On Jul 18, 2006, at 9:14 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mawz/191286989/
>
> Nikon F3HP, Silvertone 400 in Rodinal 1:25. The Gooderham Building in
> Toronto, one of my personal favourite subjects.
>
> For the Flickr-phobic, a large JPG direct link:
> http://static.flickr.com/66/191286989_a2a161d23a_b.jpg
>
> -Adam
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Re: OT: Developer

[Aaron Reynolds]

What dilution are you using?

-Aaron

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True.  But I never have any luck souping those memory cards in D-76.


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PESO - Flatiron

[Adam Maas]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mawz/191286989/

Nikon F3HP, Silvertone 400 in Rodinal 1:25. The Gooderham Building in 
Toronto, one of my personal favourite subjects.

For the Flickr-phobic, a large JPG direct link:
http://static.flickr.com/66/191286989_a2a161d23a_b.jpg

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

[David Savage]

At 02:36 AM 19/07/2006, Mark Roberts wrote:
>P. J. Alling wrote:
>
> >It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film.  Not that
> >great for panoramas.  Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad
> >it doesn't have an aperture ring.
>
>The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of
>speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about.
>Certainly not excited enough to pay "Limited" prices.
>


Ditto.

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Re: ZX-5n

[P. J. Alling]

It puts me in mind of this probably apocryphal graffiti...

God is Dead!
--Nietzsche 
Nietzsche is dead.
-- God.

Replace Nietzsche and God as appropriate.

Mark Roberts wrote:

>Walter Hamler wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I am considering selling my only film camera body as I am so happy with 
>>digital. If anyone is interested I will give you a good price.
>>
>>
>
>Is film dead?
>I dunno, but my MZ-S on eBay has had 7 bids and met the $500.00
>reserve price in only two days.
> 
>  
>


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Re: PESO: Horse Tail Sky

[Cotty]

On 18/7/06, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=137

Wow!  Love it.

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PESO: how about this one? (infrared)

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

OK, ok, you've convinced me. I've deleted the last one I had uploaded to
the Russian site. A single commment, over here, zero from the folks on
the site itself - if ever there's such a thing as a clear vote... :-)

Now, how about this one:

http://www.photosight.ru/photo.php?photoid=1544630

I'm not quite sure if the filter really is a #88 or rather something of
East German origin, supposedly ORWO, and no longer avaliable. 

It's a gelatin filter, if you hold it against the sun it looks much like
a #89 but it needs far longer exposure times (about 4 sec. as opposed to
1/15 sec. with a 89B), and it produces a much more pronounced IR effect.

Looking forward to your comments.

Ralf

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Re: OT: Developer

[Paul Stenquist]

You have to give it an extra couple of minutes. No problem:-)
Paul
On Jul 18, 2006, at 8:10 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:

> On 7/18/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Any of the Pentax DSLR cameras can be operated in fully manual mode.
>> I tend to use an auto exposure mode, but I supplement it with my
>> exposure compensation. It's basically the same as shooting manual.
>> Paul
>
> True.  But I never have any luck souping those memory cards in D-76.
>
> 
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Re: ZX-5n

[Norman Baugher]

Ni, ni. ni. ni. ni!!!
From: "Cotty" 
> On 18/7/06, Walter Hamler, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>>I am considering selling my only film camera body as I am so happy with 
>>digital. If anyone is interested I will give you a good price.
> 
> It's official: film is dead.
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Re: OT: Developer

[Aaron Reynolds]

I think you mean "lousy scanners can't handle..."  ;)

The SprintScan 120 much prefers a properly exposed and processed neg.  A low 
base density is preferable, but that's also true for printing.

Acros in Studional is great for this -- the base is virtually clear.

-Aaron

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Too thin actually means too thin. Underexposed negs are thinner than 
properly exposed negs. I tend to develop for slightly thinner negs as 
tehy scan better than ones developed to print well (Scanners can't 
handle as much contrast as wet paper often wants).

-Adam


frank theriault wrote:
> As all of you (or at least many of you) know, I only do film, I don't
> develop my own, I don't print my own, I have no interest in developing
> and printing.  I like taking pictures and bringing them to my lab,
> coming back a week later and picking up negs or prints, as the case
> may be.
> 
> As you've all noticed, the stuff I post often looks like poo.  I'm not
> very good at scanning.  Much of my early reputation as a purveyor of
> fuzzy pics comes from my sketchy abilities at the scanner.
> 
> Every year I got to Grandfather Mountain, and every year someone new
> from the list looks at my pix and says, "Holy crap, some of these are
> really really sharp.  I love the way these things look!  Those are
> amazing grey-tones.  The blacks are deep, the greys are beautiful.
> How do you do it?"
> 
> More specifically, Mat Maesson asked what developer Robert the Lab Guy
> and Printer uses.  I was speaking to him today (Robert, not Mat), and
> I finally remembered to ask him.
> 
> He says that he just uses regular Agfa Multigrade Developer, and
> prints my stuff on Agfa Pearl paper.  I told him about the compliments
> I get on how the prints look (which may have to do with lowered
> expectations from poor scans ), and he said a great part of how my
> prints (specifically) turn out has to do with my exposures, which he
> says are usually bang on, and never "too thin" (which I guess means
> lots of detail?).  He offered the opinion (as he has on numerous
> occasions, and as I've previously reported to this list) that those
> that shoot with manual meters tend to have more consistent and better
> exposed negs than those who rely on AE.  Of course, I'm sure there are
> exeptions to that rule.
> 
> Or, he could just be saying all that stuff just to "stroke me", and
> keep me coming back...
> 
> 
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
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Re: OT: Developer

[Scott Loveless]

On 7/18/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Any of the Pentax DSLR cameras can be operated in fully manual mode.
> I tend to use an auto exposure mode, but I supplement it with my
> exposure compensation. It's basically the same as shooting manual.
> Paul

True.  But I never have any luck souping those memory cards in D-76.



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Re: OT: Developer

[Aaron Reynolds]

Frank, the method of processing is as important to know as what developer -- I 
love Studional, but you can't get a useable result from it in a hand tank, for 
example.

-Aaron

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Date:  Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:51 pm
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On 7/18/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> frank theriault wrote:
>
> >He says that he just uses regular Agfa Multigrade Developer, and
> >prints my stuff on Agfa Pearl paper.
> I think that's *paper* developer, Frank. What people want to know is
> which developer he used for your *film*. (Though it's the interaction
> of film/film-developer/paper that really determines the "look" of your
> prints.)

Ah, right, I get it now!!

I'll be in on the weekend, and ask him what he develops the film with.
 That's what I thought I was asking, but apparently not.  

Thanks, Mark.

cheers,
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Re: ZX-5n

[Steve Sharpe]

At 4:41 PM -0700 7/18/06, Jack Davis wrote:
>Woo Hoo!
>
>Jack
>
>--- Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>  Walter Hamler wrote:
>>
>>  >I am considering selling my only film camera body as I am so happy
>>  with
>>  >digital. If anyone is interested I will give you a good price.
>>
>  > Is film dead?

I see that Fuji is introducing several new films, including an 
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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The DA40mm f/2.8 Limited is another one you don't have ...

Godfrey

On Jul 18, 2006, at 8:59 AM, Jens Bladt wrote:

> ... h. I thought I had all the Limited's (31-43-77). Now  
> there's one
> more to buy. Must be grat for panoramas ;-)
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Re: PESO: how about this one? (infrared)

[David J Brooks]

I hate you;

:-)

Good photo

Dave

Quoting "Ralf R. Radermacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> OK, ok, you've convinced me. I've deleted the last one I had uploaded to
> the Russian site. A single commment, over here, zero from the folks on
> the site itself - if ever there's such a thing as a clear vote... :-)
>
> Now, how about this one:
>
> http://www.photosight.ru/photo.php?photoid=1544630
>
> I'm not quite sure if the filter really is a #88 or rather something of
> East German origin, supposedly ORWO, and no longer avaliable.
>
> It's a gelatin filter, if you hold it against the sun it looks much like
> a #89 but it needs far longer exposure times (about 4 sec. as opposed to
> 1/15 sec. with a 89B), and it produces a much more pronounced IR effect.
>
> Looking forward to your comments.
>
> Ralf
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Re: ZX-5n

[Joe Wilensky]

Hi, Walt,

How's the condition, and what kind of price were you thinking of?

Joe


On Jul 18, 2006, at 6:06 PM, Walter Hamler wrote:

> I am considering selling my only film camera body as I am so happy  
> with
> digital. If anyone is interested I will give you a good price.
>
> Walt
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Re: OT: Developer

[Paul Stenquist]

Any of the Pentax DSLR cameras can be operated in fully manual mode.  
I tend to use an auto exposure mode, but I supplement it with my  
exposure compensation. It's basically the same as shooting manual.
Paul
On Jul 18, 2006, at 7:06 PM, graywolf wrote:

> Nah, it is true. For one thing autoexposure changes the exposure with
> every change of background where a human would not touch it. Now  
> you can
> override that but it is just one more step in the direction of letting
> machines run you instead of you running them. I do like my little
> digicam, but the fact I have to fight it instead of it working with me
> is a bummer. Now if I could get a fully-manual-old-style-controls
> version I would probably be willing to sell Franks bike to buy it.
>
> 
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> frank theriault wrote:
> and as I've previously reported to this list) that those
>> that shoot with manual meters tend to have more consistent and better
>> exposed negs than those who rely on AE.  Of course, I'm sure there  
>> are
>> exeptions to that rule.
>>
>> Or, he could just be saying all that stuff just to "stroke me", and
>> keep me coming back...
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Re: PESO - Jump

[Paul Stenquist]

I agree that it's a beautiful photo of an innocent child. But that  
being said, I don't want to lose my job. So a warning would be nice.  
"Not Office Friendly" is a common and effective one.
Paul
On Jul 18, 2006, at 7:11 PM, Bob W wrote:

> Well, you know what, the more you accept their view of things the more
> they'll impose it on you.
>
> It's a beautiful, innocent picture of a kid having fun, and we should
> all celebrate and enjoy that - there's so little of it left in the
> world.
>
> Anyone who thinks otherwise is a twisted pervert and should go screw
> themselves rather than waste all our time with their mean little
> minds.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>  Bob
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Tom C
>> Sent: 18 July 2006 23:51
>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>> Subject: RE: PESO - Jump
>>
>> Looking at those kind of photos over here will get us in
>> trouble, especially
>> if one pulls it up on a corporate PC as I did, and there
>> happens to be a
>> nosy corporate spy.
>>
>> Tom C.
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
>>> Subject: RE: PESO - Jump
>>> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:28:28 +0100
>>>
>>> Great photo!
>>>
>>> --
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>>>  Bob
>>>
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 Just a summer picture:
 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=247689

 *istD and DA 14mm 2.8

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Re: PESO: the long walk home

[Scott Loveless]

On 7/18/06, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jim,
> A very slight nit. Timing likely didn't allow it, but had the figure
> with the umbrella been caught before the umbrella blended into the
> window sill, the image might have benefited.
> I do like his air of determined acceptance in the course of his walk.
>

I agree with Jack.  Plus, I prefer a bit more contrast than most
people.  So that aspect really works for me.

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Re: PESO -- Angst on the Rocks (I and II)

[Paul Stenquist]

BTW, I LIKE the second shot.
Paul
On Jul 18, 2006, at 6:58 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> You're making my life a lot more interesting than it actually is.  I
> never actually met the lady.  She was there, I was there, and I had a
> camera.  Six frames out of about 40 had her as a part of a  
> composition.
> I thought about lending a sympathetic ear, but I'm probably a bit too
> old for her, though you never know...
>
> jim kerslake wrote:
>
>> Were you... um... in the midst of an argument with your 'subject'  
>> here?
>> (not that one wishes to pry...)
>>
>> Something along the lines of "I wish he'd put that ** camera  
>> down and
>> just talk to me", perhaps?
>>
>> Been there :-|
>>
>>
>> I prefer the first - great hair.
>>
>> Hope you're speaking to one another again now
>> (I shall only worry... )
>>
>> -- jim
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
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>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:14 PM
>> Subject: PESO -- Angst on the Rocks (I and II)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> A couple of PESOs of photos I took a couple of days ago inspired  
>>> by all
>>> the talk of the "Magic Hour".   Especially ironic since the subject
>>> seems to missing the magic...
>>>
>>> Well anyway here they are.
>>>
>>> Angst on the Rocks I
>>> http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_aotrckI.html
>>>
>>> Angst on the Rocks II
>>> http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_aotrckII.html
>>>
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Re: ZX-5n

[Jack Davis]

Woo Hoo!

Jack

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> Walter Hamler wrote:
> 
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> with 
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> 
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Re: PESO -- Angst on the Rocks (I and II)

[Paul Stenquist]

I much prefer the second shot. Better composition, nicer rendering of  
the lady. Both could be brighter in the foreground, but I would  
preserve the color and rendering of the sky.
On Jul 18, 2006, at 6:14 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> A couple of PESOs of photos I took a couple of days ago inspired by  
> all
> the talk of the "Magic Hour".   Especially ironic since the subject
> seems to missing the magic...
>
> Well anyway here they are.
>
> Angst on the Rocks I
> http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_aotrckI.html
>
> Angst on the Rocks II
> http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_aotrckII.html
>
> Tech. Info.:
> No tech. info.  I'm feeling lazy today.
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Re: PESO - Jump

[Paul Stenquist]

What Tom said. Saving it on your hard drive can land you in the  
slammer. Sad, but true. Nice shot, by the way.
Paul
On Jul 18, 2006, at 6:50 PM, Tom C wrote:

> Looking at those kind of photos over here will get us in trouble,  
> especially
> if one pulls it up on a corporate PC as I did, and there happens to  
> be a
> nosy corporate spy.
>
> Tom C.
>
>
>
>> From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
>> Subject: RE: PESO - Jump
>> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:28:28 +0100
>>
>> Great photo!
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>  Bob
>>
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> Sent: 18 July 2006 23:17
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>>> Subject: PESO - Jump
>>>
>>> Just a summer picture:
>>> http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=247689
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Re: ZX-5n

[Mark Roberts]

Walter Hamler wrote:

>I am considering selling my only film camera body as I am so happy with 
>digital. If anyone is interested I will give you a good price.

Is film dead?
I dunno, but my MZ-S on eBay has had 7 bids and met the $500.00
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Re: PESO: Horse Tail Sky

[Jack Davis]

Meaningful remarks. Thanks much!

Jack

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Re: PESO: the long walk home

[Paul Stenquist]

A good effort and a nice concept. I would prefer to see the man at  
the right of frame. This emphasizes the distance he must walk. I  
would probably crop it below the bright sky area. The overall mood is  
dreary. Keep the bright sky out of it. A bit less contrast would be  
helpful. There is no detail in the dark suit the man is wearing or in  
the white bag he is carrying. A nitpick to be sure, but hopefully  
something to think about. But overall this is a solid execution. You  
demonstrate a good sense of what makes for an interesting photo.  
Let's see more!
Paul
On Jul 19, 2006, at 2:33 AM, jim kerslake wrote:

> Hopefully this is not a discouraging PESO -
> I think it has some obvious flaws, but would like others' opinions.
>
> This is from my first ever roll of b&w film (Ilford FP4) through an  
> original
> Spotmatic with the standard 55mm Takumar -
> So plenty of grain then :-)
>
> I'm not the best at scanning negs either.
>
>
> http://www.jimkerslake.uklinux.net/pentax/go_home_smaller.jpg
>
> larger version of same:
> http://www.jimkerslake.uklinux.net/pentax/go_home.jpg
>
>
>> From a previous thread:
>
> " Why do we shoot people we don't know? Maybe to
> make some universal statement about the human condition, yuppie or  
> tourists
> or
> kids or otherwise." - Marnie aka Doe
>
>
> I think I just sympathised with this guy -
> I seem to spend half my life trudging to and from work like this.
>
> I wanted to capture a sense of the world bearing down upon him, as  
> well as
> the rain.
>
> I was in two minds about cropping off the whole top third of the  
> image - but
> in the end opted to leave it.
>
> -- jim
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RE: PESO - Jump

[Jack Davis]

Yes! An obvious ALERT would be considerate.

Jack

--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Looking at those kind of photos over here will get us in trouble,
> especially 
> if one pulls it up on a corporate PC as I did, and there happens to
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> nosy corporate spy.
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
> >Subject: RE: PESO - Jump
> >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:28:28 +0100
> >
> >Great photo!
> >
> >--
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> >  Bob
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > > Behalf Of DagT
> > > Sent: 18 July 2006 23:17
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> > > Subject: PESO - Jump
> > >
> > > Just a summer picture:
> > > http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=247689
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RE: PESO - Jump

[Tom C]

I disagree in part.  I don't find the photo offensive.  I'm simply pointing 
out to the sender and to others that there may be a danger in viewing it 
albeit small.  Let's say it's not a nosy underworld corporate spy, but a 
cubicle mate who happens to eyeball my screen when the picture appears, and 
they may be psychotic (they're not thank goodness), and they go tell my 
boss.

Unfortunately, wishing it to be so doesn't change the way the world works.  
Put a collection of 50 pictures like this in a book and call it the "The 
joys of Childhood" and see where that lands you.


Tom C.






>From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
>Subject: RE: PESO - Jump
>Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:11:07 +0100
>
>Well, you know what, the more you accept their view of things the more
>they'll impose it on you.
>
>It's a beautiful, innocent picture of a kid having fun, and we should
>all celebrate and enjoy that - there's so little of it left in the
>world.
>
>Anyone who thinks otherwise is a twisted pervert and should go screw
>themselves rather than waste all our time with their mean little
>minds.
>
>--
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>  Bob
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Tom C
> > Sent: 18 July 2006 23:51
> > To: pdml@pdml.net
> > Subject: RE: PESO - Jump
> >
> > Looking at those kind of photos over here will get us in
> > trouble, especially
> > if one pulls it up on a corporate PC as I did, and there
> > happens to be a
> > nosy corporate spy.
> >
> > Tom C.
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > >To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
> > >Subject: RE: PESO - Jump
> > >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:28:28 +0100
> > >
> > >Great photo!
> > >
> > >--
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> > >  Bob
> > >
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> > > > Sent: 18 July 2006 23:17
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> > > >
> > > > Just a summer picture:
> > > > http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=247689
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Re: PESO: the long walk home

[Jack Davis]

Jim,
A very slight nit. Timing likely didn't allow it, but had the figure
with the umbrella been caught before the umbrella blended into the
window sill, the image might have benefited. 
I do like his air of determined acceptance in the course of his walk.

Jack

--- jim kerslake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hopefully this is not a discouraging PESO -
> I think it has some obvious flaws, but would like others' opinions.
> 
> This is from my first ever roll of b&w film (Ilford FP4) through an
> original
> Spotmatic with the standard 55mm Takumar -
> So plenty of grain then :-)
> 
> I'm not the best at scanning negs either.
> 
> 
> http://www.jimkerslake.uklinux.net/pentax/go_home_smaller.jpg
> 
> larger version of same:
> http://www.jimkerslake.uklinux.net/pentax/go_home.jpg
> 
> 
> >From a previous thread:
> 
> " Why do we shoot people we don't know? Maybe to
> make some universal statement about the human condition, yuppie or
> tourists
> or
> kids or otherwise." - Marnie aka Doe
> 
> 
> I think I just sympathised with this guy -
> I seem to spend half my life trudging to and from work like this.
> 
> I wanted to capture a sense of the world bearing down upon him, as
> well as
> the rain.
> 
> I was in two minds about cropping off the whole top third of the
> image - but
> in the end opted to leave it.
> 
> -- jim
> 
> "ee it's grim oop north" ;-)
> 
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Re: OT: Developer

[graywolf]

Nah, it is true. For one thing autoexposure changes the exposure with 
every change of background where a human would not touch it. Now you can 
override that but it is just one more step in the direction of letting 
machines run you instead of you running them. I do like my little 
digicam, but the fact I have to fight it instead of it working with me 
is a bummer. Now if I could get a fully-manual-old-style-controls 
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and as I've previously reported to this list) that those
> that shoot with manual meters tend to have more consistent and better
> exposed negs than those who rely on AE.  Of course, I'm sure there are
> exeptions to that rule.
> 
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RE: PESO: the long walk home

[Bob W]

I think I can see what you're after, but there are a couple of
problems with it, from my point of view. In black & white photos the
viewer's eye is naturally drawn first to the lightest objects, in this
case the shopping bag and the road signs, and that unfortunately
detracts from the main subject, so it took me a moment to fix on the
man and his umbrella. I would have preferred it with him further back
in the frame, without the railway bridge and the signs, and a little
closer. I think that would still have conveyed effectively the
dilapidation of the environment and the sense of a dull walk in the
rain.

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> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of jim kerslake
> Sent: 19 July 2006 07:34
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: PESO: the long walk home
> 
> Hopefully this is not a discouraging PESO -
> I think it has some obvious flaws, but would like others' opinions.
> 
> This is from my first ever roll of b&w film (Ilford FP4) 
> through an original
> Spotmatic with the standard 55mm Takumar -
> So plenty of grain then :-)
> 
> I'm not the best at scanning negs either.
> 
> 
> http://www.jimkerslake.uklinux.net/pentax/go_home_smaller.jpg
> 
> larger version of same:
> http://www.jimkerslake.uklinux.net/pentax/go_home.jpg
> 
> 
> >From a previous thread:
> 
> " Why do we shoot people we don't know? Maybe to
> make some universal statement about the human condition, 
> yuppie or tourists
> or
> kids or otherwise." - Marnie aka Doe
> 
> 
> I think I just sympathised with this guy -
> I seem to spend half my life trudging to and from work like this.
> 
> I wanted to capture a sense of the world bearing down upon 
> him, as well as
> the rain.
> 
> I was in two minds about cropping off the whole top third of 
> the image - but
> in the end opted to leave it.
> 
> -- jim
> 
> "ee it's grim oop north" ;-)
> 
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Re: PESO: Horse Tail Sky

[Jack Davis]

Actually, my wife has to agree before it goes up. 

Jack

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> 
> 
> > I, also, realize I'm allowed to chose the one I like for my wall.
> 
> Where ever did you get that idea?
> 
> 
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Re: PESO: how about this one? (infrared)

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent. A good application for IR and an interesting image.
On Jul 18, 2006, at 6:41 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

> OK, ok, you've convinced me. I've deleted the last one I had  
> uploaded to
> the Russian site. A single commment, over here, zero from the folks on
> the site itself - if ever there's such a thing as a clear vote... :-)
>
> Now, how about this one:
>
> http://www.photosight.ru/photo.php?photoid=1544630
>
> I'm not quite sure if the filter really is a #88 or rather  
> something of
> East German origin, supposedly ORWO, and no longer avaliable.
>
> It's a gelatin filter, if you hold it against the sun it looks much  
> like
> a #89 but it needs far longer exposure times (about 4 sec. as  
> opposed to
> 1/15 sec. with a 89B), and it produces a much more pronounced IR  
> effect.
>
> Looking forward to your comments.
>
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ZX-5n

[Walter Hamler]

Some of my friends disagree, but they own Nikons and Canons!

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RE: PESO - Jump

[Bob W]

Well, you know what, the more you accept their view of things the more
they'll impose it on you. 

It's a beautiful, innocent picture of a kid having fun, and we should
all celebrate and enjoy that - there's so little of it left in the
world. 

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a twisted pervert and should go screw
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> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: RE: PESO - Jump
> 
> Looking at those kind of photos over here will get us in 
> trouble, especially 
> if one pulls it up on a corporate PC as I did, and there 
> happens to be a 
> nosy corporate spy.
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
> 
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> >Subject: RE: PESO - Jump
> >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:28:28 +0100
> >
> >Great photo!
> >
> >--
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> >
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Re: PESO: the long walk home

[jim kerslake]

> I would have preferred it with him further back
in the frame, without the railway bridge and the signs, and a little
closer.


yes, agreed, so would I...

sadly I was also holding an umbrella at the time (with my chin & shoulder),
trying to prevent my new (old) Spotmatic from getting rained on...  I was
just a second too slow really.

It really was bucketing down...

Oddly, I think this was a Sunday.
Why the poor man had to go to work in a suit on a Sunday... who knows.

Comments much appreciated, thanks :-)

-- jim



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Subject: RE: PESO: the long walk home


> I think I can see what you're after, but there are a couple of
> problems with it, from my point of view. In black & white photos the
> viewer's eye is naturally drawn first to the lightest objects, in this
> case the shopping bag and the road signs, and that unfortunately
> detracts from the main subject, so it took me a moment to fix on the
> man and his umbrella. I would have preferred it with him further back
> in the frame, without the railway bridge and the signs, and a little
> closer. I think that would still have conveyed effectively the
> dilapidation of the environment and the sense of a dull walk in the
> rain.
>
> --
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>  Bob
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of jim kerslake
> > Sent: 19 July 2006 07:34
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: PESO: the long walk home
> >
> > Hopefully this is not a discouraging PESO -
> > I think it has some obvious flaws, but would like others' opinions.
> >
> > This is from my first ever roll of b&w film (Ilford FP4)
> > through an original
> > Spotmatic with the standard 55mm Takumar -
> > So plenty of grain then :-)
> >
> > I'm not the best at scanning negs either.
> >
> >
> > http://www.jimkerslake.uklinux.net/pentax/go_home_smaller.jpg
> >
> > larger version of same:
> > http://www.jimkerslake.uklinux.net/pentax/go_home.jpg
> >
> >
> > >From a previous thread:
> >
> > " Why do we shoot people we don't know? Maybe to
> > make some universal statement about the human condition,
> > yuppie or tourists
> > or
> > kids or otherwise." - Marnie aka Doe
> >
> >
> > I think I just sympathised with this guy -
> > I seem to spend half my life trudging to and from work like this.
> >
> > I wanted to capture a sense of the world bearing down upon
> > him, as well as
> > the rain.
> >
> > I was in two minds about cropping off the whole top third of
> > the image - but
> > in the end opted to leave it.
> >
> > -- jim
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Re: PESO Sunset in a hurry

[Cotty]

On 18/7/06, skye, discombobulated, unleashed:



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Re: PESO: Horse Tail Sky

[Jack Davis]

Jim,
My wife decides such things. I'm afraid her decision is always final. 


Thanks for remarks.

Jack

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> 
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Re: PESO -- Angst on the Rocks (I and II)

[P. J. Alling]

You're making my life a lot more interesting than it actually is.  I 
never actually met the lady.  She was there, I was there, and I had a 
camera.  Six frames out of about 40 had her as a part of a composition.  
I thought about lending a sympathetic ear, but I'm probably a bit too 
old for her, though you never know...

jim kerslake wrote:

>Were you... um... in the midst of an argument with your 'subject' here?
>(not that one wishes to pry...)
>
>Something along the lines of "I wish he'd put that ** camera down and
>just talk to me", perhaps?
>
>Been there :-|
>
>
>I prefer the first - great hair.
>
>Hope you're speaking to one another again now
>(I shall only worry... )
>
>-- jim
>
>
>
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>
>  
>
>>A couple of PESOs of photos I took a couple of days ago inspired by all
>>the talk of the "Magic Hour".   Especially ironic since the subject
>>seems to missing the magic...
>>
>>Well anyway here they are.
>>
>>Angst on the Rocks I
>>http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_aotrckI.html
>>
>>Angst on the Rocks II
>>http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_aotrckII.html
>>
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FA 24-90

[np]

I need an FA 24-90mm, or something similar, for my brother's wedding this 
August 19th.  Last time I used this lens, I was borrowing it from my Pentax 
rep, but he doesn't have it anymore.

If anyone out there has the FA 24-90 (or something similar), I would really 
appreciate it if I could borrow it for a week or two in August.  I will gladly 
pay shipping costs, and can even give a deposit for it.  I realized last night 
that I don't have an AF zoom lens with a good wide angle and decent telephoto 
zoom, and can't really afford to buy one at the moment.

Thanks,
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RE: PESO - Jump

[Tom C]

Looking at those kind of photos over here will get us in trouble, especially 
if one pulls it up on a corporate PC as I did, and there happens to be a 
nosy corporate spy.

Tom C.



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>Great photo!
>
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Re: ZX-5n

[Cotty]

On 18/7/06, Walter Hamler, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I am considering selling my only film camera body as I am so happy with 
>digital. If anyone is interested I will give you a good price.

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Re: PESO -- Angst on the Rocks (I and II)

[jim kerslake]

Were you... um... in the midst of an argument with your 'subject' here?
(not that one wishes to pry...)

Something along the lines of "I wish he'd put that ** camera down and
just talk to me", perhaps?

Been there :-|


I prefer the first - great hair.

Hope you're speaking to one another again now
(I shall only worry... )

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> A couple of PESOs of photos I took a couple of days ago inspired by all
> the talk of the "Magic Hour".   Especially ironic since the subject
> seems to missing the magic...
>
> Well anyway here they are.
>
> Angst on the Rocks I
> http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_aotrckI.html
>
> Angst on the Rocks II
> http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_aotrckII.html
>
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RE: PESO - Jump

[Bob W]

Great photo!

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> Just a summer picture:
> http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=247689
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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

[Thibouille]

No, you're just not bitten (yet? or no more?) by LBA when others are.
Be happy ;)

2006/7/19, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Adam Maas wrote:
>
> >Mark Roberts wrote:
> >> Adam Maas wrote:
> >>
> >>>But it's just 1/3 of a stop from the most similar lens, the FA 20mm
> >>>f2.8. And in a far smaller package. It's also only 1/3 of a stop slower
> >>>than the only other DA Limited pancake, the 40mm f2.8.
> >>
> >> Still too slow for me.
> >
> >Well, Sigma does make a 20mm f1.8 just for folks like you.
>
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> I'm really pretty happy with what I have for wide angle primes.
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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

[Mark Roberts]

Adam Maas wrote:

>Mark Roberts wrote:
>> Adam Maas wrote:
>> 
>>>But it's just 1/3 of a stop from the most similar lens, the FA 20mm 
>>>f2.8. And in a far smaller package. It's also only 1/3 of a stop slower 
>>>than the only other DA Limited pancake, the 40mm f2.8.
>> 
>> Still too slow for me.
>
>Well, Sigma does make a 20mm f1.8 just for folks like you.

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PESO - Jump

[DagT]

Just a summer picture:
http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=247689

*istD and DA 14mm 2.8

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Re: PESO: Horse Tail Sky

[jim kerslake]

> > I, also, realize I'm allowed to chose the one I like for my wall.
>
> Where ever did you get that idea?


Jack -

I think we also need a photograph of your wall, so that we can judge the
proportions of the available gap  


I'd be happy to have taken anything that I could stand looking at every day
on my own wall...
Mostly bare picture hooks at the moment  :-/

cheers
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> On 7/18/06, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> > I, also, realize I'm allowed to chose the one I like for my wall.
>
> Where ever did you get that idea?
>
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PESO -- Angst on the Rocks (I and II)

[P. J. Alling]

A couple of PESOs of photos I took a couple of days ago inspired by all 
the talk of the "Magic Hour".   Especially ironic since the subject 
seems to missing the magic...

Well anyway here they are.

Angst on the Rocks I
http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_aotrckI.html

Angst on the Rocks II
http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_aotrckII.html

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PESO: the long walk home

[jim kerslake]

Hopefully this is not a discouraging PESO -
I think it has some obvious flaws, but would like others' opinions.

This is from my first ever roll of b&w film (Ilford FP4) through an original
Spotmatic with the standard 55mm Takumar -
So plenty of grain then :-)

I'm not the best at scanning negs either.


http://www.jimkerslake.uklinux.net/pentax/go_home_smaller.jpg

larger version of same:
http://www.jimkerslake.uklinux.net/pentax/go_home.jpg


>From a previous thread:

" Why do we shoot people we don't know? Maybe to
make some universal statement about the human condition, yuppie or tourists
or
kids or otherwise." - Marnie aka Doe


I think I just sympathised with this guy -
I seem to spend half my life trudging to and from work like this.

I wanted to capture a sense of the world bearing down upon him, as well as
the rain.

I was in two minds about cropping off the whole top third of the image - but
in the end opted to leave it.

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Re: PESO: Horse Tail Sky

[frank theriault]

On 7/18/06, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> I, also, realize I'm allowed to chose the one I like for my wall.

Where ever did you get that idea?



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Re: PESO: Horse Tail Sky

[Jack Davis]

The problem is being comfortable in yourself that "you" don't consider
it necessary.
If the case of two scenic images were being judged by me, and all else
being equal as is true in this case, I'd have to go with the cropped
image as being more attuned to the rules requiring a compositional
balance.
I, also, realize I'm allowed to chose the one I like for my wall.

Jack 

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> On 7/18/06, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Came upon this scene some time back and quickly pulled over (I
> usually
> > just slow down ) for a quick hand held grab.
> > Clouds (not jet con trails) were in a striking form over my
> neighboring
> > Sutter Buttes and I was shaky anxious to 'get the shot'.
> > I don't recall if I had a tripod in the car, but I went with a
> little
> > DOF sacrifice in the interest of time. Softish foreground resulted.
> > The left side is very dramatic, but, over time, the cropped left
> side
> > version is more in keeping with my file of compositional "rules".
> > Requesting your opinions.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=137
> >
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=138
> 
> I prefer the wider one, with the uncropped left side.  I don't know
> what the rules are, but knarf's rules are "what looks best works".
> And of course, "only crop if necessary"...  
> 
> Whatever, it's a gorgeous photo.
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Re: PESO: Horse Tail Sky

[jim kerslake]

>The left side is very dramatic, but, over time, the cropped left
> side version is more in keeping with my file of compositional "rules".
>Requesting your opinions.


What's the point in having a file of "rules" if you can't break them?  ;-)

(another vote for the wide)

cheers
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> This is "double click" Jack. (?)
> Thanks, Mark for your valued opinion.
> I agree. Without the left side cloud streaks, there would be no
> question.
> 
> Jack
> 
> --- Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Jack "Double Click to Close Window" Davis wrote:
> > 
> > >The left side is very dramatic, but, over time, the cropped left
> > side
> > >version is more in keeping with my file of compositional "rules".
> > >Requesting your opinions.
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> > >http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=137
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> > >http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=138
> > 
> > I like the wider version better, even though the subject matter is
> > more centered.
> > 
> > I'd have pulled over too for that!
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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

[DagT]

Den 18. jul. 2006 kl. 23.09 skrev frank theriault:

> On 7/18/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of
>> speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about.
>> Certainly not excited enough to pay "Limited" prices.
>
> Were I a digital guy, putting the 21mm pancake on a Pentax digital
> body would make a great package for street shooting, both in terms of
> total compactness and focal length.  For that purpose, I rarely shoot
> much wider open then f4.0 anyway, usually much smaller.  f3.2 would
> suite me just fine for most of my purposes.

I´m buying the 21 because of its size, and because I hope it is  
better with respect to distortion.

I would love to have a 20mm 2.0, but that is not a possibility right  
now (Sigma has far too much quality variation for me to put any money  
close to it).  Also, a limited lens like that  will be very expensive.

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Re: PESO - Water Warp

[frank theriault]

On 7/18/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Frank.  :-) I specifically "de-rotated" it to the displayed
> orientation based on my sense of asthetics.

As you are entirely entitled to do!


> Somehow I found it less appealing when made a vertical composition.

As you are entirely entitled to feel!  

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Re: PESO - Water Warp

[Tom C]

Thanks Frank.  :-) I specifically "de-rotated" it to the displayed 
orientation based on my sense of asthetics.

Somehow I found it less appealing when made a vertical composition.



Tom C.






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>Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:50:22 -0400
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>On 7/14/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4682145
>
>Interesting.  I like it a lot, but I share the opinion of the person
>who would prefer rotating it 90 degrees clockwise.
>
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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

[Thibouille]

IMO if Pentax still prodoces FA Limited (well at least it is in their
catalog) when they also sell DA Limited is obvious: DA Limited arent's
supposed to replace FA Limited.

FA LImited are Limited because of their quality and speed.
DA Limited are Limited because of their quality, size and speed.

Obviously Pentax wanna show what they can do producing very compact lenses.

Pentax still could introduce of so they want other Limityed lenses
(even DA ones) which are not Limited because of their pancakes style
but ony by their speed and quality. Who knows?
As long as Pentax doesn't stop selling FA Limited nobody should state
the DA ones replace the FA ones.

Also, about the price of the 21 Limited: you're paying for the size!
If it doesn't suit you (which is of course you right) you can disagree
but it is a Small and good (it seems from the first impressions) 21mm.
Could have been F/4. We are lucky enough it is F/3.2.

Just my 2 cents of course.

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

[Adam Maas]

Mark Roberts wrote:
> Adam Maas wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>But it's just 1/3 of a stop from the most similar lens, the FA 20mm 
>>f2.8. And in a far smaller package. It's also only 1/3 of a stop slower 
>>than the only other DA Limited pancake, the 40mm f2.8.
> 
> 
> Still too slow for me.
>  

Well, Sigma does make a 20mm f1.8 just for folks like you.

But it's bigger than the DS.

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

[frank theriault]

On 7/18/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of
> speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about.
> Certainly not excited enough to pay "Limited" prices.

Were I a digital guy, putting the 21mm pancake on a Pentax digital
body would make a great package for street shooting, both in terms of
total compactness and focal length.  For that purpose, I rarely shoot
much wider open then f4.0 anyway, usually much smaller.  f3.2 would
suite me just fine for most of my purposes.

However at this time, it's all moot.

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Re: PESO: Horse Tail Sky

[frank theriault]

On 7/18/06, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Came upon this scene some time back and quickly pulled over (I usually
> just slow down ) for a quick hand held grab.
> Clouds (not jet con trails) were in a striking form over my neighboring
> Sutter Buttes and I was shaky anxious to 'get the shot'.
> I don't recall if I had a tripod in the car, but I went with a little
> DOF sacrifice in the interest of time. Softish foreground resulted.
> The left side is very dramatic, but, over time, the cropped left side
> version is more in keeping with my file of compositional "rules".
> Requesting your opinions.
>
> Jack
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=137
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=138

I prefer the wider one, with the uncropped left side.  I don't know
what the rules are, but knarf's rules are "what looks best works".
And of course, "only crop if necessary"...  

Whatever, it's a gorgeous photo.

cheers,
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Re: PESO - Water Warp

[frank theriault]

On 7/14/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4682145

Interesting.  I like it a lot, but I share the opinion of the person
who would prefer rotating it 90 degrees clockwise.

cheers,
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Pentax telephoto lens mount

[Tom Reese]

I've been looking at the mounting collars on my Pentax big glass and they all 
have the exact same footprint. I  can see where that would be a good thing if 
anyone actually built QR plates to fit them. 

For those who haven't seen the Pentax collars, the foot has a removable metal 
plate with a standard tripod thread in the center of it. The foot also has two 
smaller holes that could be useful to stabilize the lens if anyone made a QR 
plate with the proper hardware to take advantage of them. I see a market for a 
QR plate with two metal pins to fit the smaller holes and the usual screw with 
tripod thread. The metal pins would be useful to keep the lens from rotating 
around the tripod screw.

Has anyone seen a plate that works in that fashion with Pentax glass?  know 
most QR systems have the little nubs than can be placed against the edge of the 
foot but I think a plate with pins would be a better solution.

Tom Reese

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

[Mark Roberts]

Adam Maas wrote:


>But it's just 1/3 of a stop from the most similar lens, the FA 20mm 
>f2.8. And in a far smaller package. It's also only 1/3 of a stop slower 
>than the only other DA Limited pancake, the 40mm f2.8.

Still too slow for me.
 
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Re: PESO: Horse Tail Sky

[Jack Davis]

Yes, I see. This is only when uploading to provide a web link. I
wondered if it might, also, be true on my site.
Thanks.

Jack
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> Jack Davis wrote:
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> >Mark,
> >I just took a look at my site and don't see the "double click to
> close
> >window" titles?? ..but then I'm obviously helpless.
> 
> It appears in the title bar of the web browser, like so:
> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/Untitled-1.jpg
> 
> If you try to bookmark one of your pages, your browser will probably
> use "Double Click to Close Window" as the bookmark title.
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Re: OT: Developer

[frank theriault]

On 7/18/06, Tom Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>
> lol my political opinions can best be summed up as "all government is 
> inherently evil and the less we have of it the better". There we're done...

And I'm pretty much the opposite.

There, no need for a political discussion.  When we meet next year,
all that will be left is to drink beer...  

cheers,
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