Re: What was your first camera?
My first was a Kodak Brownie Holiday. Received it for Christmas in 1954-1955 timeframe. In 61-62 timeframe I upgraded to a Kodak Brownie Super 27. Shot a lot of Super slides with that one. '69 brought my first Pentax, H1a. Later added an SPII, then a PZ1p, a 645, *istD and most recently K20d. jm -Original Message- From: Bill Owens Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:32 AM To: pdml Subject: What was your first camera? In my case, it was a Brownie Hawkeye with flash that used Press 25 bulbs Bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: White evergreen
On 11-04-13 4:02 PM, Tim Bray wrote: Outside of my usual visual vocabulary: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/04/13/-big/RUNE0018.jpg.html Might make a nice poster for an ultra-postmodern downtown apartment... -Tim *Very* nice, Tim. The reduced contrast and muted palette work well. You're really having a gas with that new lens aren't you? ;-) I envy your renewed vigor. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:05 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: On 4/13/2011 9:39 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com wrote: http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\ Someone needs to introduce that guy to the concept of the paragraph. I'll do that Dave Given the perversity of the universe, all you'll manage to do is teach him how to spell... Mark! I have more than a little temptation to comment on how his essay has provoked an interesting discussion on snob appeal vs. talent, or at least to challenge him to a photo competition, my 64 year old, unadjusted Argus C3 brick against his Leica M3. However given the subjective aspect of photographic quality, it isn't nearly so cut and dried as asking whether I'd be able to keep up with him around the racetrack in his Porsche while driving my Dodge Van. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Curious Gull
Like the curious tilt of the head. Fun at the lake. The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the shutter a wee bit. heck! Comments encourages. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=588 K-5, DA 55~300@300mm, f/8, 1/8000, ISO 1600 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: White evergreen
Interesting effect, Tim! Jack --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com Subject: PESO: White evergreen To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 1:02 PM Outside of my usual visual vocabulary: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/04/13/-big/RUNE0018.jpg.html Might make a nice poster for an ultra-postmodern downtown apartment... -Tim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What was your first camera?
Zeiss Ikonta C 521/2 :) I still love that 'pocket camera' :D .t On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 09:32 -0400, Bill Owens wrote: In my case, it was a Brownie Hawkeye with flash that used Press 25 bulbs Bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What was your first camera?
On 2011-04-13 16:49, Peter Zalabai wrote: Zeiss Ikonta C 521/2 :) I still love that 'pocket camera' :D .t On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 09:32 -0400, Bill Owens wrote: In my case, it was a Brownie Hawkeye with flash that used Press 25 bulbs My mom's Kodak Instamatic with 126 film. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On 2011-04-13 14:25, Bob W wrote: Erwin Puts hardly ever writes anything worth reading, paragraphs or not. Har! I didn't even notice that! I'd change my name! -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Nook color as a photo viewer
Zab returned from her three month sojourn in Sleepy Hollow. While she was there she bought a nook color for her aging mom to use, as it is getting difficult for her to read regular print. In the process of using it for a few days so she could show her mom how to use it, she became so fond of it, she decided to keep it for herself and bought a second one for her mom. Now that she's home with it, I'll let her have it back in a couple of days. Seriously though, it reminds me a lot of my early experiences with my iMac in that the things it does well, it does so well, that it makes its annoyances so much more infuriating, especially since most of the limitations are just there as limitations to keep you from using it for anything that BN doesn't want you to. Photos on it look very good. Unfortunately, the gallery program is an unrepentant piece of crap. It shows all photos in one flat file, rather than letting you sort out photos by category. If I do use it to show off my photos, I'll have to start publishing them as pdfs or something. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est I have more than a little temptation to comment on how his essay has provoked an interesting discussion on snob appeal vs. talent, or at least to challenge him to a photo competition, my 64 year old, unadjusted Argus C3 brick against his Leica M3. However given the subjective aspect of photographic quality, it isn't nearly so cut and dried as asking whether I'd be able to keep up with him around the racetrack in his Porsche while driving my Dodge Van. I've used an Argus brick which is probably now 60+ years old, although it was nearly 30 years ago that I used it. And I have a Leica M3 which is 52 years old. I can categorically assure you that the M3 is better than the Argus in all respects expect brickiness. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: A Typical Restart
The family and I went to the IndyCar race at Barber Motorsports Park in Birmingham, Alabama last weekend. I was more about hanging with my unit than getting the shot but there are a few that I'm willing to share. Here is a shot from turn 1 during a restart: http://cwaters.smugmug.com/Sports/Indy-Gran-Prix-of-Alabama/IGP7734/1251034005_yhPSy-XL.jpg Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What was your first camera?
On 2011-04-12 12:31 , they whom i call myself wrote: despite hanging around my father's darkroom when i was very young, i got a late start; the first i owned was a K1000 my stepfather gave me when i was about 15, but because i couldn't afford film he eventually gave it to someone else all the talk of Kodak Brownies dredged up an incomplete memory of a Brownie that was definitely my own, in a setting which puts it between 4 and 9 years old -- i remember the object, and using a reference i see it was a Hawkeye; i remember advancing the film and the little red window; but i do not remember taking any photos, so it's possible it was just given to me as an inert plaything -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: A Typical Restart
Great location choice. Nice action! Jack --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net Subject: PESO: A Typical Restart To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 2:28 PM The family and I went to the IndyCar race at Barber Motorsports Park in Birmingham, Alabama last weekend. I was more about hanging with my unit than getting the shot but there are a few that I'm willing to share. Here is a shot from turn 1 during a restart: http://cwaters.smugmug.com/Sports/Indy-Gran-Prix-of-Alabama/IGP7734/1251034005_yhPSy-XL.jpg Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: What was your first camera?
An awful Zenit E(T?) at age 12. I had loads of fun but I also abandoned photography for ten years after just one year with the Zenit. Good times. kris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions
It's too much of a jumble to work for me, Boris. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 12:48 PM Hi there. Here is another one somewhat similar, at least from technical stand point to the previous ones... http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-09-impressions.html Brutal and honest comments are as always going to be appreciated. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nook color as a photo viewer
On Apr 13, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Zab returned from her three month sojourn in Sleepy Hollow. While she was there she bought a nook color for her aging mom to use, as it is getting difficult for her to read regular print. In the process of using it for a few days so she could show her mom how to use it, she became so fond of it, she decided to keep it for herself and bought a second one for her mom. Now that she's home with it, I'll let her have it back in a couple of days. Seriously though, it reminds me a lot of my early experiences with my iMac in that the things it does well, it does so well, that it makes its annoyances so much more infuriating, especially since most of the limitations are just there as limitations to keep you from using it for anything that BN doesn't want you to. Photos on it look very good. Unfortunately, the gallery program is an unrepentant piece of crap. It shows all photos in one flat file, rather than letting you sort out photos by category. If I do use it to show off my photos, I'll have to start publishing them as pdfs or something. I just bought and downloaded the pdml annual, and tried looking at it on the nook. First of all, I can't rotate the book sideways in it to format it better on the screen, on top of that, I can't adjust the size of the photos. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Before the Storm
I think the rain curtains stand out more clearly in the color version. Darkening the sky a bit might make things look more ominous. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Wed, 4/13/11, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: PESO -- Before the Storm To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 3:33 PM Just popping in to post a quick PESO, well two if you count different renderings. Not much of a stretch but I liked it. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20beforethestorm.html then the BW version http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20beforethestormbw-pt.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. Note: BW conversion done with BW Plus with a faux Green filter applied, then a Platinum layer applied. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On Apr 13, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Bob W wrote: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est I have more than a little temptation to comment on how his essay has provoked an interesting discussion on snob appeal vs. talent, or at least to challenge him to a photo competition, my 64 year old, unadjusted Argus C3 brick against his Leica M3. However given the subjective aspect of photographic quality, it isn't nearly so cut and dried as asking whether I'd be able to keep up with him around the racetrack in his Porsche while driving my Dodge Van. I've used an Argus brick which is probably now 60+ years old, although it was nearly 30 years ago that I used it. And I have a Leica M3 which is 52 years old. I can categorically assure you that the M3 is better than the Argus in all respects expect brickiness. I certainly expect that you are entirely correct. I still suspect that either of us could take better pictures with a brick than Puts can with an M3. My C3 does have one significant advantage of over an M3. I have a C3 and not an M3. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
Larry Colen wrote: My C3 does have one significant advantage of over an M3. I have a C3 and not an M3. Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
Bob W wrote: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est I have more than a little temptation to comment on how his essay has provoked an interesting discussion on snob appeal vs. talent, or at least to challenge him to a photo competition, my 64 year old, unadjusted Argus C3 brick against his Leica M3. However given the subjective aspect of photographic quality, it isn't nearly so cut and dried as asking whether I'd be able to keep up with him around the racetrack in his Porsche while driving my Dodge Van. I've used an Argus brick which is probably now 60+ years old, although it was nearly 30 years ago that I used it. And I have a Leica M3 which is 52 years old. I can categorically assure you that the M3 is better than the Argus in all respects expect brickiness. Where do you stand on the Porsche vs. Dodge Van question? -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: A Typical Restart
On 13/4/11, Cory Waters, discombobulated, unleashed: The family and I went to the IndyCar race at Barber Motorsports Park in Birmingham, Alabama last weekend. I was more about hanging with my unit than getting the shot but there are a few that I'm willing to share. Here is a shot from turn 1 during a restart: http://cwaters.smugmug.com/Sports/Indy-Gran-Prix-of-Alabama/ IGP7734/1251034005_yhPSy-O.jpg Nice! There's always one guy who has to take a different line ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
-Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts I can categorically assure you that the M3 is better than the Argus in all respects expect brickiness. Where do you stand on the Porsche vs. Dodge Van question? behind the bike shed. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: While it is true that the sensor may have a limited lifespan, how long does he really expect to be using his camera? You have to move on at some point. Why? That's just a justification for built-in obsolescence to satisfy the manufacturers, not the consumers. No, a justification for built-in obsolescence would be that the camera stopped working on a schedule decided by the manufacturer. Planning for a 20 year usable life-cycle is nowhere near planned obsolescence. It's not like Leica is not going to introduce more models in the next 19 years just in time to make the current model obsolete. It's nostalgia speaking here. It's hip to say that you shoot film, and that you shot film before it was cool. Guess what, the rest of the world has moved on. If he wants to shoot film, he can do that. He has an M9. He's moaning that the sensor will be f_cked in a relatively short time, and will reduce the lifespan of the camera compared to his M3. It seems perfectly reasonable to want a camera that costs £5,000.00 to last a long time. If the sensor fails after, say, 20 years, and the rest of the body is designed to last 50, someone in the accounting department will ask why they are wasting so much cost in the body, and lower the quality so that it too has a life expectancy of only 20 years, and before you know it Leicas will be made of cardboard. People are still using Leicas from the 13th century, or thereabouts. Long may they continue to do so! Yes, Leica's are well built, they are also status items, so stating that they should last longer because they cost more is silly. Part of the price is the name and reputation. I think its also disingenuous to think that the accountants are running the company, and to predict their future based on a stereotype of corporate behavior. Besides the fact the the sensor is designed to be replaced. Does a company that is obsoleting their products design an upgrade path? B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions
It looks like Pollocks. http://www.tate.org.uk/liverpool/ima/rm4/images/pollock_lg.jpg I like it. It's too much of a jumble to work for me, Boris. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 12:48 PM Hi there. Here is another one somewhat similar, at least from technical stand point to the previous ones... http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-09-impressions.html Brutal and honest comments are as always going to be appreciated. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Curious Gull
Very nice gull! Well framed (cropped?). On Apr 13, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Like the curious tilt of the head. Fun at the lake. The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the shutter a wee bit. heck! Comments encourages. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=588 K-5, DA 55~300@300mm, f/8, 1/8000, ISO 1600 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: No. I read it on my desktop and laptop with a free Firefox plug-in. Dan I see quite a few out there. Any link to the one you are using. Dave On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:59 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Do you need a tablet to read the ebook.?? Dave On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com wrote: Just got my epub version, it is splendid! You guys managed to produce and impressive collection of photos. And Mark managed to create an excellent coherent book. I was impressed by two previous books but this one is a huge leap forward! HUGE kudos to Mark. Btw, I am using http://bookworm.oreilly.com to read the book in browser. --Sasha On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com wrote: Ordered my copy...thanks Mark! On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Cut to the chase: http://www.blurb.com/my/book/detail/2098910 ;-) Bonuses: If you order today and enter the code GMA (must be all upper-case letters) in the discount code box during checkout you'll get a 25% discount! If you buy the hardcover with dust jacket version of the book (not the ImageWrap) you get bonus photos on the inner flaps of the dust jacket, one by Rick Womer and one by Carl Gjersem. More information: I want to express my appreciation to all who donated to the book promotional fund. Most people contributed $5.00 and we got $340.00 total. With the 10% volume discount and the 25% GMA discount (yes, Blurb allowed both discounts) I was able to order a dozen books for the price of 10, including shipping costs. I think there's even a bit left over in the kitty to allow me postage money for sending *out* review copies when I get them. I'm looking for suggestions/ideas for promotion. Print magazine reviews are pretty much out of the question: They already get more review samples than they have time for and we'd be just an tiny fish in a big sea (unless we can get someone on the inside to help - anyone owed any favors by low people in high places?) I'm also offering the ebook version on line for $6.00 through my own web site at the moment. I've worked out a deal to offer it through the Apple iTunes store through one of their official distributors, but I won't be able to finish the paperwork and details until the end of the semester - things are getting busy now. See http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/ Have at it! -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
-Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Parsons While it is true that the sensor may have a limited lifespan, how long does he really expect to be using his camera? You have to move on at some point. Why? That's just a justification for built-in obsolescence to satisfy the manufacturers, not the consumers. No, a justification for built-in obsolescence would be that the camera stopped working on a schedule decided by the manufacturer. Planning for a 20 year usable life-cycle is nowhere near planned obsolescence. It's not like Leica is not going to introduce more models in the next 19 years just in time to make the current model obsolete. you've misunderstood my reply, which was not specifically about the Leica, but about the claim 'you have to move on at some point'. Why do you have to move on? Making a claim like that is nonsense and plays into the hands of manufacturers. Companies, such as Leica, made and supported products for decades. Nobody claimed that you had to move one then. Why do you have to move on now? It's nostalgia speaking here. It's hip to say that you shoot film, and that you shot film before it was cool. Guess what, the rest of the world has moved on. If he wants to shoot film, he can do that. He has an M9. He's moaning that the sensor will be f_cked in a relatively short time, and will reduce the lifespan of the camera compared to his M3. It seems perfectly reasonable to want a camera that costs £5,000.00 to last a long time. If the sensor fails after, say, 20 years, and the rest of the body is designed to last 50, someone in the accounting department will ask why they are wasting so much cost in the body, and lower the quality so that it too has a life expectancy of only 20 years, and before you know it Leicas will be made of cardboard. People are still using Leicas from the 13th century, or thereabouts. Long may they continue to do so! Yes, Leica's are well built, they are also status items, so stating that they should last longer because they cost more is silly. Part of the price is the name and reputation. it's not silly, it's my opinion. If I pay a shit load of money for a camera I want it to last a fecking long time. I think its also disingenuous to think that the accountants are running the company, and to predict their future based on a stereotype of corporate behavior. I've been working in the corporate world for over 30 years - that's far too long to be disingenuous. Besides the fact the the sensor is designed to be replaced. Does a company that is obsoleting their products design an upgrade path? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Jim King jamesk8...@mac.com wrote: This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect it will for some of you as well: http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html Puts is a Leica guy but they used to say that Pentax is the Japanese Leica... LOL ... I have never heard Pentax referred to as the Japanese Leica. Leica is most reknowned for its lenses and rangefinder cameras and Pentax—the name itself was derived from the pentaprism used in SLRs. Erwin Puts ... Well, his article would be a heck of a lot more readable and sensible if he learned how to use paragraphs to structure his thoughts. He rambles. I'm in the middle of re-reading Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance right now. I read it first in '76 or so, again about '81, and with all the water under the bridge since, reading it now points out some very interesting fallacies in the logic presented as Phaedrus' hunt for the 'ghost of rationality'. Some fundamental premises seem just plain wrong to me now. But, achingly clawing my way through this mass of text, I do agree with Puts' fundamental premise, although the words he uses are strangely construed. In the modern world of equipment über alles, too much weight is lent to numbers without a shred of intelligible discourse given to the why of their primacy. Everything is opinion, belief and a faith-healer's trust that numbers don't lie. Well, the numbers are just numbers: they're evidence, not truth. Interpreting the numbers is where art and understanding lies. Just like we can confuse ourselves and think we are increasing our understanding when we banter on about how photosites work, photon counting, etc, the truth is that very little of this has much to do with photography and a lot to do with technology and engineering. Being able to stand back from the technology, see how the equipment behaves and then bending it to our purpose of producing photographs, not theorizing about the engineering of better equipment, is often lost. Equipment cannot make photographs. Only people can. People with eyes, sensitivity, and skill to know how to work the equipment. Truly ...equipment often gets in the way of Photography. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thoughts on my first PDML annual purchase...
1-3. Mark is the one doing all the hard work, and as the editor, layout designer, and everything else, it's his call as to how things are laid out. He volunteers a lot of his own limited time for the group. 4. The annual is not a competition, it's a showcase of members who decide to submit. That said, you have three submissions, and if any extra submissions are included, that shows the quality of your work. Plus, not all members submit to the annual. For 120 pages, $40 is a great price. On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I want to preface my comments by saying that I think the PDML Annual idea, with the proceeds going to charity is one of the REALLY great things about this list. I had a photo in last year's, but haven't seen the book. And I haven't seen previous year's books either, so I really have nothing to compare it to. I'd love to purchase those back volumes, at some point, but for whatever reason - mostly financial - I haven't made it a top priority yet. The eBook offering, I thought, was a GREAT idea. Particularly if it actually raises more money for the charity than a book purchase. My original plan was to buy the eBook - because I'm impatient and it allows me to see it in screen form now and then purchase the hard cover version (resulting in even more moola for the charity, for each person who plans on doing the same). It also lowers the bar (total price) to being able to donate in the first place, which should result in more people becoming buyers. Terrific idea! We get to see it now, to satisfy our curiosity, and still have the book version in our hands at some point in the future. I can also appreciate how much work it probably is to put this all together and I think we are all very grateful to those that had a part in it, particularly Mark, for the hours and hours that go into the production, proof-reading, etc. along with (this year) the work of selecting a new charity to work with. It is with that in mind that I offer the following comments, in the interests of (perhaps) making next year's annual better than ever. I hope my comments are taken in the proper spirit, similar to the way we often ask for critique on our photographs without taking undue offense. True, Mark did not ask for such critique, which gives me pause. I first thought about sending them to Mark off-list, but I decided that putting it out there could allow for a bit of discussion on the various points below. Everyone can chime in on whether they think my thoughts are off base or might indeed make for a better annual next time around. I realize that, given this group's dynamic, there may be some (many?) that may take offense FOR Mark - but I hope we can keep the comments constructive and discuss them somewhat dispassionately. Discussion point No. 1: The page format and how it effects the size of the photos. Since the page layout was done in landscape mode, the way the book was designed made horizonal photographs appear much larger than vertical photographs, which I find unfortunate for the vertical photos and the photographers that submitted them. I would much rather see the photographs on equal footing with one another and presented in the same size. This is easily, and attractively done by using either a square page format, or selecting/creating a square portion of a portrait or landscape formatted page in which to present the photograph. (The square being, in effect, the mat for the photo.) If you must use a rectangular page format (either vert. or horiz.) then you could use some of the extra space beside the square image area for the title or a colored box with a few of the funny quotes on each page - rather than saving them for multiple pages at the end. Discussion point No. 2: The mats around the photographs and how they effect the size of the photos. I found the majority of the mats HUGELY distracting from the photograph itself. I understand that most, if not all, were taken from an element of the photograph itself which was blown up to create a color/texture, but I would argue that first and foremost the photographs themselves should be the stars of the page but it seemed more like it was look at the neat mats. They competed for attention with the photograph itself, in most cases and did not compliment them. The best mats (IMHO) were the most minimalistic mats such as those on: Christine's My Nephew, Akira Frank's Long Trip Home and César's Freeport Church In any event, I would rather see the photographs presented as physically large as possible on the page, and the mat provided another element to downsize them, which I found disappointing. Discussion point No. 3: The edge treatments around the photographs themselves. I don't know if this was added in the book design or if they were in the photographs submitted by the photographers, but I found the edge treatments again terribly
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: LOL ... I have never heard Pentax referred to as the Japanese Leica. That was commonly reported from Japan around 1976, soon after the introduction of the MX. Some Japanese folks perceived the MX as the new Leica: small, basic, smooth and pleasant to use. In other words, the Leica philosophy in a (then) current camera. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: LOL ... I have never heard Pentax referred to as the Japanese Leica. That was commonly reported from Japan around 1976, soon after the introduction of the MX. Some Japanese folks perceived the MX as the new Leica: small, basic, smooth and pleasant to use. In other words, the Leica philosophy in a (then) current camera. I heard the same thing in reference to the Olympus OM-1 about that time. Rumor had it that Olympus was going to name the camera the M-1 but didn't after Leica protested ... -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On Apr 13, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est I have more than a little temptation to comment on how his essay has provoked an interesting discussion on snob appeal vs. talent, or at least to challenge him to a photo competition, my 64 year old, unadjusted Argus C3 brick against his Leica M3. However given the subjective aspect of photographic quality, it isn't nearly so cut and dried as asking whether I'd be able to keep up with him around the racetrack in his Porsche while driving my Dodge Van. I've used an Argus brick which is probably now 60+ years old, although it was nearly 30 years ago that I used it. And I have a Leica M3 which is 52 years old. I can categorically assure you that the M3 is better than the Argus in all respects expect brickiness. Where do you stand on the Porsche vs. Dodge Van question? The first time I drove a Dodge van on the track, I was turning faster laptimes in my van than I had been in my Corolla. I was also turning faster laptimes than one of the students in his second generation MR2. I did realize that if I rolled the toyota up into a little ball I could tow it home in the van, the function was not commutable. The one time I drove my current van on the track, I had to drive so slow so that my current student could keep up, I have no idea as to it's performance abilities. I don't have any direct experience with a Dodge Van and a Porsche, but I did have a student once, who by the end of the day was keeping up with my Honda stationwagon in his carrera 4. Some years back, Grassroots Motorsports did a laptime comparison between a Honda Odyssey and a Jaguar E-type on an autocross course. The Odyssey was substantially faster. In any case, depending on the van, the porsche and the racetrack, there's a good chance that I could turn a faster laptime than him, if I were in a Dodge Van and he were in a Porsche. Given drivers of equal skill, and a 1/2 ton van with a 360 and swaybars versus a 914/1.8 and upgraded swaybars, I wouldn't be surprised if the van took on the porsche. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:20 -0400, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: No. I read it on my desktop and laptop with a free Firefox plug-in. Dan I see quite a few out there. Any link to the one you are using. This is the one I'm using (and I suspect it's probably the one Dan has as well): https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/epubreader/ Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Dave On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:59 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Do you need a tablet to read the ebook.?? Dave On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com wrote: Just got my epub version, it is splendid! You guys managed to produce and impressive collection of photos. And Mark managed to create an excellent coherent book. I was impressed by two previous books but this one is a huge leap forward! HUGE kudos to Mark. Btw, I am using http://bookworm.oreilly.com to read the book in browser. --Sasha On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com wrote: Ordered my copy...thanks Mark! On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Cut to the chase: http://www.blurb.com/my/book/detail/2098910 ;-) Bonuses: If you order today and enter the code GMA (must be all upper-case letters) in the discount code box during checkout you'll get a 25% discount! If you buy the hardcover with dust jacket version of the book (not the ImageWrap) you get bonus photos on the inner flaps of the dust jacket, one by Rick Womer and one by Carl Gjersem. More information: I want to express my appreciation to all who donated to the book promotional fund. Most people contributed $5.00 and we got $340.00 total. With the 10% volume discount and the 25% GMA discount (yes, Blurb allowed both discounts) I was able to order a dozen books for the price of 10, including shipping costs. I think there's even a bit left over in the kitty to allow me postage money for sending *out* review copies when I get them. I'm looking for suggestions/ideas for promotion. Print magazine reviews are pretty much out of the question: They already get more review samples than they have time for and we'd be just an tiny fish in a big sea (unless we can get someone on the inside to help - anyone owed any favors by low people in high places?) I'm also offering the ebook version on line for $6.00 through my own web site at the moment. I've worked out a deal to offer it through the Apple iTunes store through one of their official distributors, but I won't be able to finish the paperwork and details until the end of the semester - things are getting busy now. See http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/ Have at it! -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What was your first camera?
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:52 -0500, Morris Galloway morris-gallo...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Voigtlander Bessamatic with a 50mm lens. SLR with leaf shutter. Learned a lot in a hurry. I was 15. A Bessamatic at the age of 15! Did you have a fairy godmother?? In my manic collecting phase a few years ago I decided I just had to have a Bessamatic. Got one with the 2.8 50mm and the Super-Dynarex 1:4 135mm. It's certainly a beautiful piece of machinery. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Back to Lurking. G. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Curious Gull
Yes, cropped. (About 50%) Thankk you, Stan! Jack) --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: From: Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info Subject: Re: PESO: Curious Gull To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 3:14 PM Very nice gull! Well framed (cropped?). On Apr 13, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Like the curious tilt of the head. Fun at the lake. The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the shutter a wee bit. heck! Comments encourages. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=588 K-5, DA 55~300@300mm, f/8, 1/8000, ISO 1600 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What was your first camera?
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:19 -0500, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: In 1966, I purchased a brand new Pentax Spotmatic, and my fate was sealed. A year later I bought a black Spotty, a couple more M-42 lenses. Had not realized that it was a mental ailment yet. And here I am. Black Spotmatic with it's ƒ1.4 50mm in the drawer next to my desk. Along with the three LXen. Joseph, It's not an ailment, it's just a little peculiarity. We all have it. Some a little more than others. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thoughts on my first PDML annual purchase...
I'm looking at the ebook, and finding it a vast source of frustration with ebook readers. On the nook, I can't rotate the book so I'm seeing a horizontally formatted book on a vertically formatted screen. In neither the nook, nor Adobe Digital Editions on my mac can I adjust the size of the photo. On the nook I can't make is smaller, or for that matter figure out how to rotate, or move the picture from side to side. On the iMac, I can't make the photo any larger than 3.5x5.5 horizontal or 3.5x4.5 vertical. The mat is pretty, but it's not what I bought the book for. On Apr 13, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Discussion point No. 1: The page format and how it effects the size of the photos. Since the page layout was done in landscape mode, the way the book was designed made horizonal photographs appear much larger than vertical photographs, which I find unfortunate for the vertical photos and the photographers that submitted them. I would much rather see the photographs on equal footing with one another and presented in the same size. This is easily, and attractively done by using either a square page format, or selecting/creating a square portion of a portrait or landscape formatted page in which to present the photograph. (The square being, in effect, the mat for the photo.) I suspect that the layout of the ebook is different from the hard copy. That being said, I wish that the vertical photos used more of the vertical space. If you must use a rectangular page format (either vert. or horiz.) then you could use some of the extra space beside the square image area for the title or a colored box with a few of the funny quotes on each page - rather than saving them for multiple pages at the end. Discussion point No. 2: The mats around the photographs and how they effect the size of the photos. That would be affect, not effect. I found the majority of the mats HUGELY distracting from the photograph itself. I understand that most, if not all, were taken from an element of the photograph itself which was blown up to create a color/texture, but I would argue that first and foremost the photographs themselves should be the stars of the page but it seemed more like it was look at the neat mats. They competed for attention with the photograph itself, in most cases and did not compliment them. The best mats (IMHO) were the most minimalistic mats such as those on: Christine's My Nephew, Akira Frank's Long Trip Home and César's Freeport Church In any event, I would rather see the photographs presented as physically large as possible on the page, and the mat provided another element to downsize them, which I found disappointing. I kind of have to agree here. If I could enlarge them so that they filled the screen, I think that the layout looks wonderful, it's just frustrating that the photos themselves come off as not much larger than big thumbnails. I think that this is mostly a limitation of ebooks, and not a criticism of Mark's design work. Discussion point No. 3: The edge treatments around the photographs themselves. I don't know if this was added in the book design or if they were in the photographs submitted by the photographers, but I found the edge treatments again terribly distracting from the photograph itself. An attempt to gild the lily, as they say. ( http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/gild-the-lily.html ) Less distracting, but still unwelcome (IMHO) are the use of drop shadow or use of the cutout treatment to make the photograph look as if it was off the page or sunk behind the mat. You can see that I am all about the image itself. The book standards should be no different than a museum's display standards, for example. Mats are usually white. Or black. But usually white. With no texture. Discussion point No. 4: Everybody gets an image in. This year's book is apparently the largest yet. I expect this to be a problem (if not a nice problem) as the PDML membership grows - which it will with the truly great cameras for the money like the K-x, K-r and K-5 that we have to choose from now. More PDML members will result in more submissions and if one image is automatically accepted from each photographer then the book will continue to grow larger (also meaning more work from all concerned). I also think that it would mean more to be included if you didn't automatically get one image included, just by virtue of submitting one. I think a side benefit would be a stronger book by virtue of the elimination of weaker images. I disagree with the above sentiment. As someone said, that it is display of the PDML, not a competition among the PDML. Feel free to argue/discuss one or all of the points above. The above represents just one man's opinion (mine) which is worth every penny you paid for it. : ) All in all, I think that the design is stunning, and the photos are wonderful. My only complaint is
RE: PESO: Curious Gull
Nice capture of the gull... all the tones and colors are spot on... ___ Pictures that I have taken on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jack Davis Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:37 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Curious Gull Like the curious tilt of the head. Fun at the lake. The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the shutter a wee bit. heck! Comments encourages. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=588 K-5, DA 55~300@300mm, f/8, 1/8000, ISO 1600 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On 14/04/2011 01:01, Larry Colen wrote: On Apr 13, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Where do you stand on the Porsche vs. Dodge Van question? The first time I drove a Dodge van on the track, I was turning faster laptimes in my van than I had been in my Corolla. I was also turning faster laptimes than one of the students in his second generation MR2. I did realize that if I rolled the toyota up into a little ball I could tow it home in the van, the function was not commutable. The one time I drove my current van on the track, I had to drive so slow so that my current student could keep up, I have no idea as to it's performance abilities. I don't have any direct experience with a Dodge Van and a Porsche, but I did have a student once, who by the end of the day was keeping up with my Honda stationwagon in his carrera 4. Some years back, Grassroots Motorsports did a laptime comparison between a Honda Odyssey and a Jaguar E-type on an autocross course. The Odyssey was substantially faster. In any case, depending on the van, the porsche and the racetrack, there's a good chance that I could turn a faster laptime than him, if I were in a Dodge Van and he were in a Porsche. Given drivers of equal skill, and a 1/2 ton van with a 360 and swaybars versus a 914/1.8 and upgraded swaybars, I wouldn't be surprised if the van took on the porsche. How about a Jaguar? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaQmOkBvWh0feature=related Forward to about 5.00minutes if you don't want the history lesson. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On Apr 13, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Apr 13, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est I have more than a little temptation to comment on how his essay has provoked an interesting discussion on snob appeal vs. talent, or at least to challenge him to a photo competition, my 64 year old, unadjusted Argus C3 brick against his Leica M3. However given the subjective aspect of photographic quality, it isn't nearly so cut and dried as asking whether I'd be able to keep up with him around the racetrack in his Porsche while driving my Dodge Van. I've used an Argus brick which is probably now 60+ years old, although it was nearly 30 years ago that I used it. And I have a Leica M3 which is 52 years old. I can categorically assure you that the M3 is better than the Argus in all respects expect brickiness. Where do you stand on the Porsche vs. Dodge Van question? The first time I drove a Dodge van on the track, I was turning faster laptimes in my van than I had been in my Corolla. I was also turning faster laptimes than one of the students in his second generation MR2. I did realize that if I rolled the toyota up into a little ball I could tow it home in the van, the function was not commutable. The one time I drove my current van on the track, I had to drive so slow so that my current student could keep up, I have no idea as to it's performance abilities. I don't have any direct experience with a Dodge Van and a Porsche, but I did have a student once, who by the end of the day was keeping up with my Honda stationwagon in his carrera 4. Some years back, Grassroots Motorsports did a laptime comparison between a Honda Odyssey and a Jaguar E-type on an autocross course. The Odyssey was substantially faster. In any case, depending on the van, the porsche and the racetrack, there's a good chance that I could turn a faster laptime than him, if I were in a Dodge Van and he were in a Porsche. Given drivers of equal skill, and a 1/2 ton van with a 360 and swaybars versus a 914/1.8 and upgraded swaybars, I wouldn't be surprised if the van took on the porsche. And of course, you could haul a lot more groceries in your Dodge van. Function counts. Paul -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Red Sunset
It certainly is red... and well now be nice to be on the beach seeing the sunset in person. ___ Pictures that I have taken on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 11:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Red Sunset http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entr y=79 Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms and Abuse are welcome and encouraged. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: They Call him a Cooper's Hawk
Thanks for all the comments on the Hawk photos. Yes it was actually surprising to see him. I am still keeping an eye out for the crane that I saw the first visit to the greenway. ___ Pictures that I have taken on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob W Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 2:18 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: PESO: They Call him a Cooper's Hawk From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jeffery Johnson Here is a picture of the Hawk: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/5611564067/in/photostream very nice shot, must have been a great experience to see it. I also spotted this fella along the Richland Creek Greenway. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/5612141024/in/photostream I support all calls to cull that particular species and to return their vile habitat to nature. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
Larry Colen wrote on Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:18:16 -0700 (snip) I can't help but wonder if Pentax owners have a similar reputation for annoyingly bragging about how our cameras perform as well, or better, than other brands, but cost so much less. Hah! I was hoping that someone other than me might be wondering about the same thing. Actually, I'm a little disappointed that so much of the commentary on this post has centered on form rather than substance... Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:25:25 -0700 LOL ... I have never heard Pentax referred to as the Japanese Leica. I read it somewhere, probably Modern Photography way back in the day when Herbert Keppler was still active. Leica is most reknowned for its lenses and rangefinder cameras and Pentax—the name itself was derived from the pentaprism used in SLRs. Erwin Puts ... Well, his article would be a heck of a lot more readable and sensible if he learned how to use paragraphs to structure his thoughts. He rambles. Does he ever. Trying to follow his thoughts is a real challenge. His camera and lens reviews are equally turgid... But there is often some gold buries in the dross. I'm in the middle of re-reading Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance right now. I read it first in '76 or so, again about '81, and with all the water under the bridge since, reading it now points out some very interesting fallacies in the logic presented as Phaedrus' hunt for the 'ghost of rationality'. Some fundamental premises seem just plain wrong to me now. But, achingly clawing my way through this mass of text, I do agree with Puts' fundamental premise, although the words he uses are strangely construed. In the modern world of equipment über alles, too much weight is lent to numbers without a shred of intelligible discourse given to the why of their primacy. Everything is opinion, belief and a faith-healer's trust that numbers don't lie. Well, the numbers are just numbers: they're evidence, not truth. Interpreting the numbers is where art and understanding lies. Just like we can confuse ourselves and think we are increasing our understanding when we banter on about how photosites work, photon counting, etc, the truth is that very little of this has much to do with photography and a lot to do with technology and engineering. Being able to stand back from the technology, see how the equipment behaves and then bending it to our purpose of producing photographs, not theorizing about the engineering of better equipment, is often lost. Equipment cannot make photographs. Only people can. People with eyes, sensitivity, and skill to know how to work the equipment. Truly ...equipment often gets in the way of Photography. Well said, Godders. I'd like to hear more comments in this vein from other regulars here. Regards, Jim -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
Well, one problem with his arguments is figuring out what the hell his arguments are. Numbers aren't everything? Absolutely. Any numbers in particular or are we just generally embracing innumeracy? And what precisely does this have to do with his old Leica? There were good lenses in the old days made with computer help. Lots of crappy ones too. In the price range I can afford, the newer ones are better. The older film technology is simpler and, as is often the case, this makes it more robust. Modern electronic cameras are more complicated and have many, many more pieces which can fail. Again, how does this relate to craftsmanship? There will never be hand crafted electronics in the way mechanical objects were made. Two different kinds of devices such as these are difficult to compare. I vividly remember the early days of digital when numbers were constantly used to prove that digital could never replace film. We would need at least 25 MP to replace film. Of course, film was essentially taken out by the 6 mp APS-C DSLRs because, numbers aside, the DSLRs produced images that were more than good enough for what people were using them for. Film photography with his M3 (M3, right?) was a slower, more careful, and maybe more satisfying process. Digital is also satisfying because post-processing can improve my images, assuming I didn't screw them up in the first place. Different processes with different charms. On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Jim King jamesk8...@mac.com wrote: Larry Colen wrote on Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:18:16 -0700 rpcoess (snip) I can't help but wonder if Pentax owners have a similar reputation for annoyingly bragging about how our cameras perform as well, or better, than other brands, but cost so much less. Hah! I was hoping that someone other than me might be wondering about the same thing. Actually, I'm a little disappointed that so much of the commentary on this post has centered on form rather than substance... Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
Sigh. Make that made without computer help. It's hard to find reading glasses that focus well for me on computer screens. On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Well, one problem with his arguments is figuring out what the hell his arguments are. Numbers aren't everything? Absolutely. Any numbers in particular or are we just generally embracing innumeracy? And what precisely does this have to do with his old Leica? There were good lenses in the old days made with computer help. Lots of crappy ones too. In the price range I can afford, the newer ones are better. The older film technology is simpler and, as is often the case, this makes it more robust. Modern electronic cameras are more complicated and have many, many more pieces which can fail. Again, how does this relate to craftsmanship? There will never be hand crafted electronics in the way mechanical objects were made. Two different kinds of devices such as these are difficult to compare. I vividly remember the early days of digital when numbers were constantly used to prove that digital could never replace film. We would need at least 25 MP to replace film. Of course, film was essentially taken out by the 6 mp APS-C DSLRs because, numbers aside, the DSLRs produced images that were more than good enough for what people were using them for. Film photography with his M3 (M3, right?) was a slower, more careful, and maybe more satisfying process. Digital is also satisfying because post-processing can improve my images, assuming I didn't screw them up in the first place. Different processes with different charms. On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Jim King jamesk8...@mac.com wrote: Larry Colen wrote on Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:18:16 -0700 rpcoess (snip) I can't help but wonder if Pentax owners have a similar reputation for annoyingly bragging about how our cameras perform as well, or better, than other brands, but cost so much less. Hah! I was hoping that someone other than me might be wondering about the same thing. Actually, I'm a little disappointed that so much of the commentary on this post has centered on form rather than substance... Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: A Typical Restart
Great shot. Wish I'd been there. On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 13/4/11, Cory Waters, discombobulated, unleashed: The family and I went to the IndyCar race at Barber Motorsports Park in Birmingham, Alabama last weekend. I was more about hanging with my unit than getting the shot but there are a few that I'm willing to share. Here is a shot from turn 1 during a restart: http://cwaters.smugmug.com/Sports/Indy-Gran-Prix-of-Alabama/ IGP7734/1251034005_yhPSy-O.jpg Nice! There's always one guy who has to take a different line ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: A Typical Restart
A very nice composition, with a lot of interesting action. Paul On Apr 13, 2011, at 8:57 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Great shot. Wish I'd been there. On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 13/4/11, Cory Waters, discombobulated, unleashed: The family and I went to the IndyCar race at Barber Motorsports Park in Birmingham, Alabama last weekend. I was more about hanging with my unit than getting the shot but there are a few that I'm willing to share. Here is a shot from turn 1 during a restart: http://cwaters.smugmug.com/Sports/Indy-Gran-Prix-of-Alabama/ IGP7734/1251034005_yhPSy-O.jpg Nice! There's always one guy who has to take a different line ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Curious Gull
Thanks, Jeff! There is a bit of bloom on the head due to slight over exposure. Not a lot, but I would rather it not be there. Jack --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Jeffery Johnson jefferytjohn...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: Jeffery Johnson jefferytjohn...@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: PESO: Curious Gull To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 4:30 PM Nice capture of the gull... all the tones and colors are spot on... ___ Pictures that I have taken on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jack Davis Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:37 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Curious Gull Like the curious tilt of the head. Fun at the lake. The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the shutter a wee bit. heck! Comments encourages. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=588 K-5, DA 55~300@300mm, f/8, 1/8000, ISO 1600 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: A Typical Restart
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 05:28:57PM -0400, Cory Waters wrote: The family and I went to the IndyCar race at Barber Motorsports Park in Birmingham, Alabama last weekend. I was more about hanging with my unit than getting the shot but there are a few that I'm willing to share. Here is a shot from turn 1 during a restart: http://cwaters.smugmug.com/Sports/Indy-Gran-Prix-of-Alabama/IGP7734/1251034005_yhPSy-XL.jpg Looks like there are some pretty good shots available from the hillside. From the TV coverage it looks like a nice facility - maybe I'll have to come visit you one of these years :-) This is the series I followed most closely when I was shooting track, so I recognise many of the drivers. I saw Will Powers' first win in Las Vegas a few years ago (when he was driving for Derek Walker). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On 2011-04-12 20:58 , Jim King wrote: This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect it will for some of you as well: http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\ okay -- i'll bite; i find Erwin Puts' essay to wishy-washy; it's internally contradictory; he seems to romanticize film process as if it were purely intuitive, yet he then warns against common sense Puts seems to define professionalism as technical mastery (to me it is as much about ethics, efficiency and emotional detachment), but accepting his definition, i would disagree with him overall that technical mastery must conflict with craft this is hardly unique to photography -- i think of how a grounding in CPU instruction sets and binary logic, of which i'm rarely conscious these days, gave me confidence and trained my mind for much more abstract programming; and i think of how my rudimentary technical knowledge of sailing has held me back despite a strong intuitive sense of the helm from an entire teen-hood of intense practice i think there are many valid paths; one wonders if Puts' self-expressed attunement to film and exposure came about without any rigorous technical work ... that can happen, but when it does it usually comes from intense, if intuitive, practice and/or that unconscious genius which silently computes and internalizes technical knowledge for a few lucky people (as it struck me when Bob Sullivan recently commented that Gallia's gonna be mighty good by the time she's a teenager, and she won't really know why.) so genius can take care of it, practice can breed intuition without technical understanding, and study of details can allow one to rise above details; or any combination thereof -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Glasses [Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism]
On 11-04-13 8:39 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Sigh. Make that made without computer help. It's hard to find reading glasses that focus well for me on computer screens. Don't bother -- get two pairs of glasses: readers and computer. That's what I concluded and it works well. Reading glasses are focused closer than monitor glasses. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
I forgot Bob's comment about Gallia. Thanks for pointing that out. -Original Message- From: steve harley p...@paper-ape.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:22:20 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism On 2011-04-12 20:58 , Jim King wrote: This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect it will for some of you as well: http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\ okay -- i'll bite; i find Erwin Puts' essay to wishy-washy; it's internally contradictory; he seems to romanticize film process as if it were purely intuitive, yet he then warns against common sense Puts seems to define professionalism as technical mastery (to me it is as much about ethics, efficiency and emotional detachment), but accepting his definition, i would disagree with him overall that technical mastery must conflict with craft this is hardly unique to photography -- i think of how a grounding in CPU instruction sets and binary logic, of which i'm rarely conscious these days, gave me confidence and trained my mind for much more abstract programming; and i think of how my rudimentary technical knowledge of sailing has held me back despite a strong intuitive sense of the helm from an entire teen-hood of intense practice i think there are many valid paths; one wonders if Puts' self-expressed attunement to film and exposure came about without any rigorous technical work ... that can happen, but when it does it usually comes from intense, if intuitive, practice and/or that unconscious genius which silently computes and internalizes technical knowledge for a few lucky people (as it struck me when Bob Sullivan recently commented that Gallia's gonna be mighty good by the time she's a teenager, and she won't really know why.) so genius can take care of it, practice can breed intuition without technical understanding, and study of details can allow one to rise above details; or any combination thereof -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thoughts on my first PDML annual purchase...
The eBook totally doesn't work for me on my Mac's screen, the pix are way too small and there's some sort of grain effect in whatever the default eBook reading program was. I've got a new Moto Xoom tablet that has 3 different programs that claim to read eBooks but so far I can't figure out how to get this book into any of them from either the web or my Mac. G. This is a bug. -T On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I'm looking at the ebook, and finding it a vast source of frustration with ebook readers. On the nook, I can't rotate the book so I'm seeing a horizontally formatted book on a vertically formatted screen. In neither the nook, nor Adobe Digital Editions on my mac can I adjust the size of the photo. On the nook I can't make is smaller, or for that matter figure out how to rotate, or move the picture from side to side. On the iMac, I can't make the photo any larger than 3.5x5.5 horizontal or 3.5x4.5 vertical. The mat is pretty, but it's not what I bought the book for. On Apr 13, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Discussion point No. 1: The page format and how it effects the size of the photos. Since the page layout was done in landscape mode, the way the book was designed made horizonal photographs appear much larger than vertical photographs, which I find unfortunate for the vertical photos and the photographers that submitted them. I would much rather see the photographs on equal footing with one another and presented in the same size. This is easily, and attractively done by using either a square page format, or selecting/creating a square portion of a portrait or landscape formatted page in which to present the photograph. (The square being, in effect, the mat for the photo.) I suspect that the layout of the ebook is different from the hard copy. That being said, I wish that the vertical photos used more of the vertical space. If you must use a rectangular page format (either vert. or horiz.) then you could use some of the extra space beside the square image area for the title or a colored box with a few of the funny quotes on each page - rather than saving them for multiple pages at the end. Discussion point No. 2: The mats around the photographs and how they effect the size of the photos. That would be affect, not effect. I found the majority of the mats HUGELY distracting from the photograph itself. I understand that most, if not all, were taken from an element of the photograph itself which was blown up to create a color/texture, but I would argue that first and foremost the photographs themselves should be the stars of the page but it seemed more like it was look at the neat mats. They competed for attention with the photograph itself, in most cases and did not compliment them. The best mats (IMHO) were the most minimalistic mats such as those on: Christine's My Nephew, Akira Frank's Long Trip Home and César's Freeport Church In any event, I would rather see the photographs presented as physically large as possible on the page, and the mat provided another element to downsize them, which I found disappointing. I kind of have to agree here. If I could enlarge them so that they filled the screen, I think that the layout looks wonderful, it's just frustrating that the photos themselves come off as not much larger than big thumbnails. I think that this is mostly a limitation of ebooks, and not a criticism of Mark's design work. Discussion point No. 3: The edge treatments around the photographs themselves. I don't know if this was added in the book design or if they were in the photographs submitted by the photographers, but I found the edge treatments again terribly distracting from the photograph itself. An attempt to gild the lily, as they say. ( http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/gild-the-lily.html ) Less distracting, but still unwelcome (IMHO) are the use of drop shadow or use of the cutout treatment to make the photograph look as if it was off the page or sunk behind the mat. You can see that I am all about the image itself. The book standards should be no different than a museum's display standards, for example. Mats are usually white. Or black. But usually white. With no texture. Discussion point No. 4: Everybody gets an image in. This year's book is apparently the largest yet. I expect this to be a problem (if not a nice problem) as the PDML membership grows - which it will with the truly great cameras for the money like the K-x, K-r and K-5 that we have to choose from now. More PDML members will result in more submissions and if one image is automatically accepted from each photographer then the book will continue to grow larger (also meaning more work from all concerned). I also think that it would mean more to be included if you didn't automatically get one image included, just by virtue of submitting one. I think a side benefit
Re: Glasses [Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism]
Are there monitor glasses? -Original Message- From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:25:06 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Glasses [Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism] On 11-04-13 8:39 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Sigh. Make that made without computer help. It's hard to find reading glasses that focus well for me on computer screens. Don't bother -- get two pairs of glasses: readers and computer. That's what I concluded and it works well. Reading glasses are focused closer than monitor glasses. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Curious Gull
It isn't too bad Jack -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jack Davis Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 8:07 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: PESO: Curious Gull Thanks, Jeff! There is a bit of bloom on the head due to slight over exposure. Not a lot, but I would rather it not be there. Jack --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Jeffery Johnson jefferytjohn...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: Jeffery Johnson jefferytjohn...@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: PESO: Curious Gull To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 4:30 PM Nice capture of the gull... all the tones and colors are spot on... ___ Pictures that I have taken on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jack Davis Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:37 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Curious Gull Like the curious tilt of the head. Fun at the lake. The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the shutter a wee bit. heck! Comments encourages. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=588 K-5, DA 55~300@300mm, f/8, 1/8000, ISO 1600 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Glasses [Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism]
Yes, in the following sense. My optometrist asks me what my intended use for the glasses is, I say computer monitor, he gets me to sit in front of an LCD monitor as I would normally, measures distances and adjusts the prescription accordingly. Voila! monitor glasses. I did have to change optometrists when the crusty old guy couldn't understand my request. The new guy said, of course! Knew exactly what I was complaining about. -bmw On 11-04-13 9:31 PM, drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Are there monitor glasses? -Original Message- From: Bruce Walkerbruce.wal...@gmail.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:25:06 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Glasses [Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism] On 11-04-13 8:39 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Sigh. Make that made without computer help. It's hard to find reading glasses that focus well for me on computer screens. Don't bother -- get two pairs of glasses: readers and computer. That's what I concluded and it works well. Reading glasses are focused closer than monitor glasses. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
First-camera follow-up; pictures taken with it?
My first, as I noted, was a Balda Baldini, inherited from my Dad when he got into Pentax. I don't have any pix I took with it, but I do have some that he did, dating all the way back to 1953. I think some here might enjoy them, and I'd enjoy seeing anyone else's first-camera pix. Baldini Sunset (the oldest pic, 1953): http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2005/11/04/FSS My Family: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/01/26/Fifties-Pix Roads: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/01/13/FSS -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Poppy and Sun
So graceful! -T On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Forgive the creative spelling.(?) Comments? Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=587 K-5, DA 16~45@20mm, 1/1600, ISO 800, laying on the ground in a neighborhood park. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Glasses [Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism]
I've been trying to do this myself with cheap readers with mixed success. I guess I may need a pro. -Original Message- From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:37:16 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Glasses [Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism] Yes, in the following sense. My optometrist asks me what my intended use for the glasses is, I say computer monitor, he gets me to sit in front of an LCD monitor as I would normally, measures distances and adjusts the prescription accordingly. Voila! monitor glasses. I did have to change optometrists when the crusty old guy couldn't understand my request. The new guy said, of course! Knew exactly what I was complaining about. -bmw On 11-04-13 9:31 PM, drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Are there monitor glasses? -Original Message- From: Bruce Walkerbruce.wal...@gmail.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:25:06 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Glasses [Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism] On 11-04-13 8:39 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Sigh. Make that made without computer help. It's hard to find reading glasses that focus well for me on computer screens. Don't bother -- get two pairs of glasses: readers and computer. That's what I concluded and it works well. Reading glasses are focused closer than monitor glasses. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: What was your first camera?
Aaaargh - trust Bob to turn it around! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob W Sent: Wednesday, 13 April 2011 4:59 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: What was your first camera? John Coyle ... and the second was a Pentax SV. Beautiful camera, stolen in 1975 I didn't have the balls to steal mine. I had to save up for it: a little Agfa of some sort, bought when I was 13 or 14. and replaced a few years ago with a second-hand but much-loved and well-maintained one. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On 13/04/2011 12:36 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Bob Wp...@web-options.com wrote: While it would be nice for a camera to last forever, I don't see much to complain about in relation to the days of film. My K10D is 4 years old. It still works fine. I want a K-5, but only because the K-5 is better, not because the K10D is any worse than when I got it. In the 4 years I've had my K10D, I estimate that I would have spent about $3,000 in film and processing to take the same number of exposures on film. So if my K10D dies today, why should I complain about the cost of a new body? If periodic replacement/upgrade of digital bodies isn't cheaper than shooting film, then either you're spending too much on the bodies (*cough* Leica *cough*) or you're not taking enough pictures (*cough* collectors *cough*). Everyone who feels the need to justify digital trots out that canardy old nag at least one in the discussion. It really has no bearing on how long a camera should last if you buy a good one. Out of curiosity, what have you spent on computers, storage media and software (be honest, what would you have spent if you hadn't stolen your software, for example) How much of your life have you wasted squinting at a computer screen when you could have just picked up a box of slides? -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On 13/04/2011 1:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: MARK! On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: The stereotypical Leica owner does have a reputation for being a Puts, though it's usually spelled a little differently. Please no. I just read the online version of the 2011 PDML annual, and the quotations list has gone from a page of pithy comments to several pages of absolute shit with the occasional gobbet of something noteworthy. Larry's comment is merely derogatory, not noteworthy. Trust me, I know the difference. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On 13/04/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I can't help but wonder if Pentax owners have a similar reputation for annoyingly bragging about how our cameras perform as well, or better, than other brands, but cost so much less. Just the lenses. The bodies are, for the most part, pretty crappy compared to what else is out there. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:08 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Out of curiosity, what have you spent on computers, storage media and software (be honest, what would you have spent if you hadn't stolen your software, for example) I'm a computer geek. Photo editing is not the driver of my hardware purchases; my old Athlon 64 ran Bibble just fine. My marginal cost has been Bibble Lite at $99 and IMatch at whatever it cost ($100), four years ago when I bought my K10D. I'm likely to buy Lightroom in the next year, at $250, or less if a good sale comes up. None of my software is pirated. How much of your life have you wasted squinting at a computer screen when you could have just picked up a box of slides? I spent metric fuckloads of time cutting and sleeving film and putting it in binders and spotting prints and writing down the way that I printed everything, trying to sketch my dodging and burning and recording my times and temperatures. I don't miss it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On 13/04/2011 8:18 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: I'm a computer geek. Photo editing is not the driver of my hardware purchases; my old Athlon 64 ran Bibble just fine. My marginal cost has been Bibble Lite at $99 and IMatch at whatever it cost ($100), four years ago when I bought my K10D. I'm likely to buy Lightroom in the next year, at $250, or less if a good sale comes up. None of my software is pirated. I spent metric fuckloads of time cutting and sleeving film and putting it in binders and spotting prints and writing down the way that I printed everything, trying to sketch my dodging and burning and recording my times and temperatures. I don't miss it. I would say you are the exception, not the rule. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:33 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: I would say you are the exception, not the rule. I would say that you are older than I am. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase
Yes, That is the one I am using. I got the link from the discussions here. Dan On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:20 -0400, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: No. I read it on my desktop and laptop with a free Firefox plug-in. Dan I see quite a few out there. Any link to the one you are using. This is the one I'm using (and I suspect it's probably the one Dan has as well): https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/epubreader/ Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Dave On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:59 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Do you need a tablet to read the ebook.?? Dave On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com wrote: Just got my epub version, it is splendid! You guys managed to produce and impressive collection of photos. And Mark managed to create an excellent coherent book. I was impressed by two previous books but this one is a huge leap forward! HUGE kudos to Mark. Btw, I am using http://bookworm.oreilly.com to read the book in browser. --Sasha On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com wrote: Ordered my copy...thanks Mark! On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Cut to the chase: http://www.blurb.com/my/book/detail/2098910 ;-) Bonuses: If you order today and enter the code GMA (must be all upper-case letters) in the discount code box during checkout you'll get a 25% discount! If you buy the hardcover with dust jacket version of the book (not the ImageWrap) you get bonus photos on the inner flaps of the dust jacket, one by Rick Womer and one by Carl Gjersem. More information: I want to express my appreciation to all who donated to the book promotional fund. Most people contributed $5.00 and we got $340.00 total. With the 10% volume discount and the 25% GMA discount (yes, Blurb allowed both discounts) I was able to order a dozen books for the price of 10, including shipping costs. I think there's even a bit left over in the kitty to allow me postage money for sending *out* review copies when I get them. I'm looking for suggestions/ideas for promotion. Print magazine reviews are pretty much out of the question: They already get more review samples than they have time for and we'd be just an tiny fish in a big sea (unless we can get someone on the inside to help - anyone owed any favors by low people in high places?) I'm also offering the ebook version on line for $6.00 through my own web site at the moment. I've worked out a deal to offer it through the Apple iTunes store through one of their official distributors, but I won't be able to finish the paperwork and details until the end of the semester - things are getting busy now. See http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/ Have at it! -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Poppy and Sun
Thanks, Tim! A lot to be said for clean and simple. Jack --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com Subject: Re: PESO: Poppy and Sun To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 6:40 PM So graceful! -T On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Forgive the creative spelling.(?) Comments? Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=587 K-5, DA 16~45@20mm, 1/1600, ISO 800, laying on the ground in a neighborhood park. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Red Sunset
In Maui, most people stop what they are doing and go to look at the sunset. We often take a glass of wine to toast the setting sun. This sun is a bit redder than most, because on that evening the trade winds were off, allowing the volcanic dust, ash and gases from the Big Island to add some extra color to the sky. Dan On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Jeffery Johnson jefferytjohn...@bellsouth.net wrote: It certainly is red... and well now be nice to be on the beach seeing the sunset in person. ___ Pictures that I have taken on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 11:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Red Sunset http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entr y=79 Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms and Abuse are welcome and encouraged. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On Apr 13, 2011, at 10:33 PM, William Robb wrote: On 13/04/2011 8:18 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: I'm a computer geek. Photo editing is not the driver of my hardware purchases; my old Athlon 64 ran Bibble just fine. My marginal cost has been Bibble Lite at $99 and IMatch at whatever it cost ($100), four years ago when I bought my K10D. I'm likely to buy Lightroom in the next year, at $250, or less if a good sale comes up. None of my software is pirated. I spent metric fuckloads of time cutting and sleeving film and putting it in binders and spotting prints and writing down the way that I printed everything, trying to sketch my dodging and burning and recording my times and temperatures. I don't miss it. I would say you are the exception, not the rule. Much of my photo work was in the digital world long before I quit shooting film, The sensor of the digital camera merely replaced the scanning operation. That had become true for anyone whose photographic ambitions extended beyond personal enjoyment. Paul -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Glasses [Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism]
On 2011-04-13 19:44 , drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I've been trying to do this myself with cheap readers with mixed success. I guess I may need a pro. i use 1.25 regular readers (which i even need for distance viewing), but i prefer 1.50 for my computer displays (which are more than an arm's length away) and especially for reading my iPhone if your prescription seems compatible with reading glasses, but you have difficulty with off-the-shelf readers you may need to better match your pupil distance; i haven't needed to, but i got the idea from here: http://ask.metafilter.com/112020/Eye-glasses-online personally my favorite readers have come from icu, both retail and online (icueyewear.com) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On 4/13/2011 5:14 PM, Bob W wrote: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est I have more than a little temptation to comment on how his essay has provoked an interesting discussion on snob appeal vs. talent, or at least to challenge him to a photo competition, my 64 year old, unadjusted Argus C3 brick against his Leica M3. However given the subjective aspect of photographic quality, it isn't nearly so cut and dried as asking whether I'd be able to keep up with him around the racetrack in his Porsche while driving my Dodge Van. I've used an Argus brick which is probably now 60+ years old, although it was nearly 30 years ago that I used it. And I have a Leica M3 which is 52 years old. I can categorically assure you that the M3 is better than the Argus in all respects expect brickiness. But it truly excels at brickiness... B -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On Apr 13, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Jim King wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:25:25 -0700 [Much commentary clipped from the original] Equipment cannot make photographs. Only people can. People with eyes, sensitivity, and skill to know how to work the equipment. Truly ...equipment often gets in the way of Photography. Well said, Godders. I'd like to hear more comments in this vein from other regulars here. Regards, Jim -- Jim, I read this piece last night (after W. Robb kindly pointed out how I needed to access the site. Duh.) My recollection/interpretation of the key points the author was making is as follows: a. Close enough is good enough. Set the camera for the conditions and take photos already. b. Intuition is better than logic. Well, he doesn't actually say that, but the whole lens-design bit about how good experienced lens designers can do better than a computer program is in that same vein. I agree with (a). I think we all (except Bob W. and Frank) sometimes let ourselves be driven by a fascination with the electromechanical gee-whiziness of our cameras, and we strive for vanishingly small degrees of precision in aspects like exposure, color balance, focus etc., thereby losing some ability to see, to visualize, and to create an image that we and others will care about. Trust me; the research on cognition clearly shows that we have limited capacity, and attending to technical details must diminish the extent to which we are attending to the image as image. I disagree with (b). Intuitive decisions are no better than logical decisions; see Chapter 7 in my 2009 book on developing leaders for links to relevant research. I would agree that an experienced designer is far more likely to generate an innovative solution than an inexperienced designer, but the tools they use will have no bearing on the outcome. A designer who has grown up on CAD/CAM and who is good at his job is just as likely to be good as is a designer who grew up grinding lenses by hand using polishing cloths made from passenger pigeon skins. Actually, the modern designer is likely to have an edge since he can try more iterations and hence has more trial-and-error learning opportunities. My general assessment is that the author is a romantic, yearning for the good old days when life was simple. It is unfortunate that he picks on a particular consumer product as the focus of his discussion, because it leads people to talk about the goodness and badness of Leicas more than the merits of his apparent assumption that things used to be simple and are no longer so. BTW, i recently had my father-in-law's M-2 refurbished, torn shutter curtain repaired, etc. It sits here on the shelf by my desk. Every time I pick it up I am surprised by what a large heavy unwieldy camera it is. It may be simple, but it is pretty primitive. For usability I'll take a Minox EL, Olympus OM-1, Pentax ME-Super, LX, or MZ-S any day. And of course the current generation DSLRs provide so much more functionality than the Leicas ever had. And they allow us to take pretty good images as long as we remember that close enough is good enough. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Glasses [Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism]
On Apr 13, 2011, at 11:01 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2011-04-13 19:44 , drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I've been trying to do this myself with cheap readers with mixed success. I guess I may need a pro. i use 1.25 regular readers (which i even need for distance viewing), but i prefer 1.50 for my computer displays (which are more than an arm's length away) and especially for reading my iPhone Are you sure you don't have that reversed? I use 1.75 or 2.0 for reading, but a 1.50 for the more distant computer screen. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On Apr 13, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Jim King wrote: Larry Colen wrote on Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:18:16 -0700 (snip) I can't help but wonder if Pentax owners have a similar reputation for annoyingly bragging about how our cameras perform as well, or better, than other brands, but cost so much less. Hah! I was hoping that someone other than me might be wondering about the same thing. My dad used to bemoan slob appeal as much as he decried snob appeal. Actually, I'm a little disappointed that so much of the commentary on this post has centered on form rather than substance... I think that in large part this is because the post itself was more about form than substance. He was lauding the craftsmanship and deriding professionalism, without regard to the quality of the final product. A craftsman is someone who makes the best possible use of his tools, whether it's a handplane, table saw, slide rule, or an optics modeling program running on hardware that would have given Seymour Cray a priapism. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Glasses [Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism]
On 2011-04-13 21:29 , Stan Halpin wrote: On Apr 13, 2011, at 11:01 PM, steve harley wrote: i use 1.25 regular readers (which i even need for distance viewing), but i prefer 1.50 for my computer displays (which are more than an arm's length away) and especially for reading my iPhone Are you sure you don't have that reversed? I use 1.75 or 2.0 for reading, but a 1.50 for the more distant computer screen. yes, i'm sure, but my wording was a little opaque; i put quotes around readers because i use 1.25 for middle distances to infinity -- not for reading -- and 1.50 seem good for for computer displays, phone screens or books; i just checked and i'm 29 inches from my displays, and i tend to hold my phone at about 19 inches -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Any PDML folks near Northridge, CA?
On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:18 PM, Cory Waters wrote: Looks like I'm going out to visit the folks at JBL in Northridge CA next week. I should have some evening time available. Anybody out that way? Not quite, but a photographer friend in Reseda has been bugging me to visit her. Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On 2011-04-13 23:39, Larry Colen wrote: Actually, I'm a little disappointed that so much of the commentary on this post has centered on form rather than substance... I think that in large part this is because the post itself was more about form than substance. He was lauding the craftsmanship and deriding professionalism, without regard to the quality of the final product. Actually, he was lauding some conception of craftsmanship and deriding some conception of professionalism, neither concept matching any better than tangentially what my dictionaries say the terms mean. Further, his muddled presentation was a far bigger hindrance to understanding than his inability to insert a paragraph break. In the end, assuming I managed to find what he wanted me to find in the muddle, I still think he's full of bovine excrement. He's all fussed up in his little box and ignoring, or just not getting, the larger picture. Or maybe he's just tilting at windmills. Anyway, the end result, from my point of view, is pointless drivel. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What was your first camera?
My 1st camera was Kodak instamatic at the age of 10. I took lots of pictures with it, but I was always so disappointed with them. They seldom matched the image I had visualized. This led to frustration, and I really didn't know how to learn about what I wanted to do. But the love of photographs always stayed with me, then I got my second camera--the Pentax MX when I was about 20 and took a photography class. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Bill Owens wmbow...@gmail.com To: pdml pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:32 AM Subject: What was your first camera? In my case, it was a Brownie Hawkeye with flash that used Press 25 bulbs Bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PAW--Week 14--Urban Fog
Thanks, Dave, DagT, Bulent, Steve! Much appreciated. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: steve harley p...@paper-ape.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 3:27 PM Subject: Re: PAW--Week 14--Urban Fog On 2011-04-10 17:09 , Christine Aguila wrote: Seems to be the theme this week ;-). http://aguilapaw.posterous.com/ i like this image; at first i read it urban frog and saw a geometric frog as the subject -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: First-camera follow-up; pictures taken with it?
On Apr 13, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Tim Bray wrote: My first, as I noted, was a Balda Baldini, inherited from my Dad when he got into Pentax. I don't have any pix I took with it, but I do have some that he did, dating all the way back to 1953. I think some here might enjoy them, and I'd enjoy seeing anyone else's first-camera pix. Baldini Sunset (the oldest pic, 1953): http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2005/11/04/FSS My Family: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/01/26/Fifties-Pix Roads: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/01/13/FSS I don't have scans of first pictures taken with my camera, though someplace I have a binder full of negatives in plastic sleeves. I do have some recent photos that I took with my first camera at Burningman last September: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624809385751/ I brought the Argus thinking it might be fun to run a roll or two through it, and the weather was so dusty during the day, I didn't want to bring the DSLRs out, and ended up shooting almost eight rolls of film. Tying in with the craftsmanship thread, I find the process of shooting film with a very basic camera, either the argus or the rolleiflex I was given last August to be a lot of fun, and to have a certain aesthetic purity to it. Even so, for getting real work done, I much prefer almost everything about the digital process. Frankly, I'd rather spend my money on lenses than film, chemicals and darkroom supplies. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PAW66 - Spring fog
Pretty cool, DagT. Oh, so, minimal! :-) Big cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: DagT li...@thrane.name To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 11:36 AM Subject: Re: PAW66 - Spring fog Yes, waiting for the ice to break :-) Den 11. apr. 2011 kl. 06.57 skrev Christine Aguila: Hi DagT: are those birds in that photo? Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: DagT li...@thrane.name To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 4:45 PM Subject: PAW66 - Spring fog http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html K-5, DA*16-50mm@50, 1/80s, f/2.8, ISO200 DagT http://www.thrane.name/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT What was your first editing program
I started out with some Microsoft thing when I was shooting with a point and shoot. Then with the K10D, I switched to Elements 5, which I still have and use, mainly for serious cloning. From there it was Lightroom--it's wonderful! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com To: Pentax Discuss pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:55 PM Subject: OT What was your first editing program Just a follow up to Bills, what was your first camera. My first photo edit program was Corel draw 5 i think it was. Just after my purchase of a Kodak DC25. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Stanley Kubrick's Chicago 1949
pretty cool. Thanks for posting. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 8:56 PM Subject: OT Stanley Kubrick's Chicago 1949 “Before he started making movies, Stanley Kubrick was a star photojournalist. In the summer of 1949, Look magazine sent him to Chicago to shoot pictures for a story called “Chicago City of Contrasts.” - Chicago Tribune Some really terrific shots here ... http://goo.gl/rJ7WP -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Enablement- upgrades...
Big congrats, Bong! Looking forward to seeing the pictures. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 10:37 AM Subject: Enablement- upgrades... Finally upgraded my K10D for a K-5; my son finally gets the K-r to replace the *ist DS...photos after this weekend :-) -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wood Ducks
I like #5 best! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 1:09 PM Subject: GESO: Wood Ducks I spent a couple of days in Cleveland with my brother last week. Here are a selection of shots I made of a wood duck - some just of the dude himself, some with his dudette. I think all are equivalent in in terms of focus, sharpness, etc. But I would be interested in your comments on the variations in cropping/framing. Which one (if any) would you chose from this set? http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p612969039 All shot with the DA* 200/4.0 macro because I went prepared for flower pictures and given a paucity of flowers we did birds instead. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
I found the cormorants
Some cormorants are more obvious than others. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Roller Derby
Good stuff, Phil. Really like the single-skater shots. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Phil Northeast rnort...@bigpond.net.au To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 12:20 AM Subject: GESO: Roller Derby Took the K-5 and DA*50-135 along to a local fledgling roller derby bout. Shot in TA/V mode as the K-5 has lots of headroom for ISO. The Continuous AF worked well on the action shots http://aviewfinderdarkly.com.au/2011/04/11/south-island-sirens-vs-van-diemen-rollers/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: White evergreen
I like it, Tim. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:02 PM Subject: PESO: White evergreen Outside of my usual visual vocabulary: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/04/13/-big/RUNE0018.jpg.html Might make a nice poster for an ultra-postmodern downtown apartment... -Tim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Black Cat on Frozen Lake
On 3/17/2011 09:19, Bulent Celasun wrote: From a recent trip to easternmost Turkey. http://500px.com/photo/437321 Interesting! That's very DagTish. The picture honors your photographic skill and vision pays homage to our Dag T! :-) Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Chilly Chess
- Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 2:04 AM Subject: RE: PESO - Chilly Chess From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Rick Womer On a cool November afternoon in Paris: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11943452size=lg very good - it's the guy eyeballing them that makes it. ditto! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Nook color as a photo viewer
I installed CyanogenMod 7 on my Nook Colour. Turns it into a fully functional Android (Gingerbread) tablet. Then you can choose what picture viewer/reader/etc you want to use... - Peter -Original Message- From: Larry Colen Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 7:21 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nook color as a photo viewer On Apr 13, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Zab returned from her three month sojourn in Sleepy Hollow. While she was there she bought a nook color for her aging mom to use, as it is getting difficult for her to read regular print. In the process of using it for a few days so she could show her mom how to use it, she became so fond of it, she decided to keep it for herself and bought a second one for her mom. Now that she's home with it, I'll let her have it back in a couple of days. Seriously though, it reminds me a lot of my early experiences with my iMac in that the things it does well, it does so well, that it makes its annoyances so much more infuriating, especially since most of the limitations are just there as limitations to keep you from using it for anything that BN doesn't want you to. Photos on it look very good. Unfortunately, the gallery program is an unrepentant piece of crap. It shows all photos in one flat file, rather than letting you sort out photos by category. If I do use it to show off my photos, I'll have to start publishing them as pdfs or something. I just bought and downloaded the pdml annual, and tried looking at it on the nook. First of all, I can't rotate the book sideways in it to format it better on the screen, on top of that, I can't adjust the size of the photos. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Before the Storm
I like it and prefer the color version. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 2:33 PM Subject: PESO -- Before the Storm Just popping in to post a quick PESO, well two if you count different renderings. Not much of a stretch but I liked it. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20beforethestorm.html then the BW version http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20beforethestormbw-pt.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. Note: BW conversion done with BW Plus with a faux Green filter applied, then a Platinum layer applied. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions
That's interesting, Boris! I like it. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 11:48 AM Subject: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions Hi there. Here is another one somewhat similar, at least from technical stand point to the previous ones... http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-09-impressions.html Brutal and honest comments are as always going to be appreciated. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Curious Gull
Great tilt of the head, Jack. Nice catch. Yields a nice animal expression. Crop is a little tight for my eye. Would prefer a bit more space around the wing span. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:37 PM Subject: PESO: Curious Gull Like the curious tilt of the head. Fun at the lake. The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the shutter a wee bit. heck! Comments encourages. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=588 K-5, DA 55~300@300mm, f/8, 1/8000, ISO 1600 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase
Looks great, Mark. Thanks for all the effort and hard work. Big thanks to your team as well. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:18 AM Subject: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase Cut to the chase: http://www.blurb.com/my/book/detail/2098910 ;-) Bonuses: If you order today and enter the code GMA (must be all upper-case letters) in the discount code box during checkout you'll get a 25% discount! If you buy the hardcover with dust jacket version of the book (not the ImageWrap) you get bonus photos on the inner flaps of the dust jacket, one by Rick Womer and one by Carl Gjersem. More information: I want to express my appreciation to all who donated to the book promotional fund. Most people contributed $5.00 and we got $340.00 total. With the 10% volume discount and the 25% GMA discount (yes, Blurb allowed both discounts) I was able to order a dozen books for the price of 10, including shipping costs. I think there's even a bit left over in the kitty to allow me postage money for sending *out* review copies when I get them. I'm looking for suggestions/ideas for promotion. Print magazine reviews are pretty much out of the question: They already get more review samples than they have time for and we'd be just an tiny fish in a big sea (unless we can get someone on the inside to help - anyone owed any favors by low people in high places?) I'm also offering the ebook version on line for $6.00 through my own web site at the moment. I've worked out a deal to offer it through the Apple iTunes store through one of their official distributors, but I won't be able to finish the paperwork and details until the end of the semester - things are getting busy now. See http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/ Have at it! -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions
On Apr 13, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Bob W wrote: It looks like Pollocks. http://www.tate.org.uk/liverpool/ima/rm4/images/pollock_lg.jpg Never mind the Pollocks! I like it. It's too much of a jumble to work for me, Boris. It took me a moment to figure out why the tree was not blurry, yet not quite sharp. It doesn't quite work for me, especially at the small size on your first page. The first thing I would try is flipping it upside down, so that the tree is growing up rather than down. Then, if I were to have the picture stand on it's own, I'd kodalith it, dial the contrast to 11 so that it was either black or white, not a shred of grey. The other thing that I might do to it, is dial it down to the other direction, so that it is just subtle shades of grey, and use it as a computer background. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 12:48 PM Hi there. Here is another one somewhat similar, at least from technical stand point to the previous ones... http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-09-impressions.html Brutal and honest comments are as always going to be appreciated. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: when two worlds meet...
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:57:05 +0300 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for sharing! thanks for looking Boris, appreciate it... :) -- regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: when two worlds meet...
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:04:22 -0400 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for sharing, well done. thanks Dave -- regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
