Re: quickcam and powerbooks

2003-07-08 Thread David Allen
I use a color Quickcam with my 1400 for video conferencing often. Works as
well under 9.1 as it did under 8.1 and uses the same software. ( I'm using
version 2.0.2, but I also use the Akua Nine11 extension version 1.3, which
may or may not be helping this app work correctly under 9.1 )

The Quickcams are older technology, but their portability  makes them a
great little device. The video doesn't compare to the camcorder that I use
with my main workstation, but try to fit a camcorder in a pouch in a PB
carry case.

David Allen

Brian wrote:

 Does anyone know if the old serial Quickcams (color or grey) would
 work on a powerbook with 9.1?  With a serial port of course.

 The Logitech site doesn't have any FAQ entries, but the old Connectix
 2.1.2 drivers on are their ftp site, and the one mac support page
 mentions 9.0; but that entry may predate 9.1- or it may be right, and
 the software works up to 9.0.

 Anyone know?  I'd like to throw a quickcam in the bag for my
 1400/9.1, if it would work.

 Is there a reason to run 9.1 over 9.0 on G3 1400's?  It's been so
 long, I forget.

 thanks,

 Brian



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Re: 3400-190 compatibility

2003-07-08 Thread Josh Watson
 I will try to swap the keyboards. Do I need a service manual for the 190?

You just need to undo the three screws on the bottom of the 'book and then gently lift 
the Keyboard up and towards you away from the
screen - it has three sticking out bits at the top end of the keyboard by the screen.

The delicate-ish connector for the kb joins the keyboard at the bottom left near the 
trackpad. Don't move the board too far from the
screen with these connected! These join the motherboard at two connectors near the top 
left.

You have to release the clips on these to remove the keyboard wire as you can damage 
it. Be careful doing this as you could break
the screen connector etc. You could maybe take out the RAM card to get better access 
to this.

Its easy to remove if you are gentle with it.

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Re: quickcam and powerbooks

2003-07-08 Thread Brian
I use a color Quickcam with my 1400 for video conferencing often. Works as
well under 9.1 as it did under 8.1 and uses the same software. ( I'm using
version 2.0.2, but I also use the Akua Nine11 extension version 1.3, which
may or may not be helping this app work correctly under 9.1 )

The Quickcams are older technology, but their portability  makes them a
great little device. The video doesn't compare to the camcorder that I use
with my main workstation, but try to fit a camcorder in a pouch in a PB
carry case.


OK guys, thanks for the success stories.

I have a greyscale serial quickcam that the imaging chip is damaged (I
blasted it with too much light using it on a microscope, be careful if you
do that :) but it works on my old 8.6 desktop, the image is just kinda
faint in the middle.

I downloaded both the 2.1.2 and 2.1.3 quickcam drivers from Logitech's ftp
site; when I try and run QuickPict or any other util though, those
softwares tell me the application has quit as it needs an update to work
with the newer OS or similar.

This is 1400/G3, 9.1, Quicktime 5.x.

If someone has drivers that work, can you tell me the version of the 3
quickcam extensions (last in the extensions drawer, with the ~ in their
name, and what quicktime you are using (since this cam uses quicktime for
everything that might matter too).

Thanks,

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Re: quickcam and powerbooks

2003-07-08 Thread Gary D. Adams
If I recall, there's a program called 911 or something like that that 
disables that warning and allows it to run.

Gary

 OK guys, thanks for the success stories.
I have a greyscale serial quickcam that the imaging chip is damaged (I
blasted it with too much light using it on a microscope, be careful if you
do that :) but it works on my old 8.6 desktop, the image is just kinda
faint in the middle.
I downloaded both the 2.1.2 and 2.1.3 quickcam drivers from Logitech's ftp
site; when I try and run QuickPict or any other util though, those
softwares tell me the application has quit as it needs an update to work
with the newer OS or similar.
This is 1400/G3, 9.1, Quicktime 5.x.

If someone has drivers that work, can you tell me the version of the 3
quickcam extensions (last in the extensions drawer, with the ~ in their
name, and what quicktime you are using (since this cam uses quicktime for
everything that might matter too).
Thanks,

Brian





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PowerBook 1400 WiFi

2003-07-08 Thread Eric Riedl
Using OS 8.04 w/Sonnet G3 400Mhz card. Recently tried
two Orinoco Silver cards, but neither is recognized by
the Orinoco software (though the card itself does
appear as an icon on the desktop).

In fact, no ethernet or alternate ethernet appears as
an option in TCP/IP. This is strange, because I had
previously connected the PB to my cable router with an
ethernet cable (via the dongle on a 3Com combo
modem/ethernet card).

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

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Re: PowerBook 1400 WiFi

2003-07-08 Thread Tom Roth
You might try a newer Mac OS.  The minimum requirements for the Orinoco software is 
8.6 or greater.  For older Mac OSs you should use the WaveLan drivers.

-tom

 --
 From: Eric Riedl
 Subject:  PowerBook 1400 WiFi
 
 Using OS 8.04 w/Sonnet G3 400Mhz card. Recently tried
 two Orinoco Silver cards, but neither is recognized by
 the Orinoco software (though the card itself does
 appear as an icon on the desktop).
 
 In fact, no ethernet or alternate ethernet appears as
 an option in TCP/IP. This is strange, because I had
 previously connected the PB to my cable router with an
 ethernet cable (via the dongle on a 3Com combo
 modem/ethernet card).
 
 Any suggestions?
 Thanks,
 Eric
 
 
 

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Re: quickcam and powerbooks

2003-07-08 Thread Bruce Johnson
Brian wrote:

Does anyone know if the old serial Quickcams (color or grey) would work 
on a powerbook with 9.1?  With a serial port of course.

Worked on a 7600 under OS 9.1 so I've no doubt it'll work on your Powerbook.

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Re: linux on a powerbook ?

2003-07-08 Thread Brian McEwen


 put some form of linux or unix onto this machine.  From what i 
 have read the 
 only version of linux that has any chance of compatability is 
 mklinux which 
 doesn't support pcmcia on the powerbook.  NetBSD isn't compatable 
 either 
 although 
 maybe other unix version are ???

From my reading, the only Mac linuxes that are recent, are linuxppc and 
YellowDog.  About once a eyar for the last few years I think about 
doing linux and explore the mac distros, although I've not put any on 
ever ;)

Linuxppc wasn't very complete and is now defunct, Yellowdog last I 
looked was pretty robust, although I'm not sure if the 1400 is 
supported or not, this flavor is AFAIK going to be your only hope for 
recent/robust/current/ongoing support.

HTH.

Brian


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WTB PB 1400 604e 180mhz CPU Upgrade

2003-07-08 Thread Eagan Rackley
Hello Everyone,

I'm looking for the poor mans cpu upgrade :)

I figure anything is better than this cachless 117 :(.

Anyone have one for sale, or know where I can purchase one?

Regards,

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Re: PowerBook 1400 WiFi

2003-07-08 Thread Illovox Media
on 7/8/03 5:43 AM, Eric Riedl at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Using OS 8.04 w/Sonnet G3 400Mhz card. Recently tried
 two Orinoco Silver cards, but neither is recognized by
 the Orinoco software (though the card itself does
 appear as an icon on the desktop).

Did you run the set up assistant?

 In fact, no ethernet or alternate ethernet appears as
 an option in TCP/IP.

That's because it's in the Appletalk control panel

Good luck...check your wireless router for problems too.


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Re: PowerBook 1400 WiFi

2003-07-08 Thread Illovox Media
on 7/8/03 6:04 AM, Tom Roth at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You might try a newer Mac OS.  The minimum requirements for the Orinoco
 software is 8.6 or greater.  For older Mac OSs you should use the WaveLan
 drivers.
 
 -tom

Oh, yeah...that too.  Thnx Tom


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Re: quickcam and powerbooks

2003-07-08 Thread Illovox Media
I'd like that too, if that's ok...:)

Thanks,

Run

on 7/8/03 8:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Brian:
 
 I tried Googling for it earlier--before I sent my reply to you--and couldn't
 find anything either. I'm pretty sure I have it on a Supermac at home. I'll
 get back to you one way or another.
 
 Gary
 
 From: Brian McEwen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2003/07/08 Tue AM 10:46:23 EDT
 To: PowerBooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: quickcam and powerbooks
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Gary D. Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2003 8:21 am
 Subject: Re: quickcam and powerbooks
 
 If I recall, there's a program called 911 or something like that
 that 
 disables that warning and allows it to run.
 
 Gary
 
 Thanks- 20 min of googling with various keywords hasn't produced it
 yet, though.  Anyone have this installed?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Brian
 
 


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1400 Power Button

2003-07-08 Thread Davis
Hello all.
New to list.
Just got a 1400/166 that is great except for one problem.
When it first arrived, pushing the on/off button resulted only in a 
slow tick from the speaker.
Pushing the reset button started it right up.
A couple more tries and the slow tick has been replaced with silence 
and a reset is still needed.
The computer will not respond to any keys including on/off to wake from 
sleep but reset wakes it up.
When the comp is running, pressing the on/off which should bring up the 
Shutdown dialog, does nothing.
The comp runs perfect in all other ways.
I thought it might be just the physical key but the original tick rules 
that out.
I suspected the Pram battery, but there are no other symptoms I know 
of.  Maybe there doesn't need to be.
Plugged into AC or Battery same results.

Anybody have any suggestions?

Thanks,
Michael
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Re: linux on a powerbook ?

2003-07-08 Thread George Mogiljansky
Has anybody tried Mandrake - I've heard good things
about it-for newbies.

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Re: 1400 Power Button

2003-07-08 Thread jb
I get that sound on my pb 1400 when I had a bad battery installed. When I
replaced it I never herd it again. Try running without the battery installed
to see if the same results happen.

Jay

- Original Message - 
From: Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PowerBooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:18 AM
Subject: 1400 Power Button


 Hello all.
 New to list.
 Just got a 1400/166 that is great except for one problem.
 When it first arrived, pushing the on/off button resulted only in a
 slow tick from the speaker.
 Pushing the reset button started it right up.
 A couple more tries and the slow tick has been replaced with silence
 and a reset is still needed.
 The computer will not respond to any keys including on/off to wake from
 sleep but reset wakes it up.
 When the comp is running, pressing the on/off which should bring up the
 Shutdown dialog, does nothing.
 The comp runs perfect in all other ways.
 I thought it might be just the physical key but the original tick rules
 that out.
 I suspected the Pram battery, but there are no other symptoms I know
 of.  Maybe there doesn't need to be.
 Plugged into AC or Battery same results.

 Anybody have any suggestions?

 Thanks,
 Michael
 St. Pete  FL


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Re: 1400 Power Button

2003-07-08 Thread Davis
Yes.
Have done that.
Also, I try to zap the Pram using CMD Option P R and it doesn't work.
Have zapped on my old G3 so I know how.
It just doesn't do it.  Starts up normal.
Used a Reset Power Manager app and nothing changed.
Michael

On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 03:12  PM, jb wrote:

I get that sound on my pb 1400 when I had a bad battery installed. 
When I
replaced it I never herd it again. Try running without the battery 
installed
to see if the same results happen.

Jay

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From: Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:18 AM
Subject: 1400 Power Button

Hello all.
New to list.
Just got a 1400/166 that is great except for one problem.
When it first arrived, pushing the on/off button resulted only in a
slow tick from the speaker.
Pushing the reset button started it right up.
A couple more tries and the slow tick has been replaced with silence
and a reset is still needed.
The computer will not respond to any keys including on/off to wake 
from
sleep but reset wakes it up.
When the comp is running, pressing the on/off which should bring up 
the
Shutdown dialog, does nothing.
The comp runs perfect in all other ways.
I thought it might be just the physical key but the original tick 
rules
that out.
I suspected the Pram battery, but there are no other symptoms I know
of.  Maybe there doesn't need to be.
Plugged into AC or Battery same results.

Anybody have any suggestions?

Thanks,
Michael
St. Pete  FL
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1400 Processor Upgrade

2003-07-08 Thread allenpau
Hi folks,

Looking for a definitive answer as to whether it is possible to replace the
133 cpu with a 166 cpu. I have read innumerable faqs, some saying yes, some
saying no way. Is this possible and if yes what is the qualifier as to
whether a particular 133 can be upgraded? Thanks.

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Re: linux on a powerbook ?

2003-07-08 Thread George Mogiljansky
I agree - the Classic OS has a lot of staying power
(witness the newest G4 machine). Apple clearly hasn't
thought this through. I favour Linux because of the
capacity to extend the life of any machine that has
been abandoned. Reverse engineering should be a
life-skills course taught to high school students!
Best
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 cool.
 
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Re: linux on a powerbook ?

2003-07-08 Thread Brian McEwen
- Original Message -
From: George Mogiljansky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2003 3:11 pm
Subject: Re: linux on a powerbook ?

 Has anybody tried Mandrake - I've heard good things
 about it-for newbies.

It's a little hard to find, but
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ppc.php3 says G3 or G4 or a PCI 
based 604 only.

So no go for the original poster, who was 1400 (even if he got a G3 
card, the 1400 is not PCI based).

And YellowDog lists 1400 2300 and 5300 as powerbooks which simply will 
not work.  So it seems it is back to mklinux or one of the very limited 
distros, I'm afraid.  I didn't check the other distros besides 
YellowDog, gentoo, and Mandrake but you can see them yourself from 
www.linux-iso.org then sort by architecture.  Finding supported CPU 
info is surprisingly difficult, I'm now tempted to grab the distro 10 
or 20 times from the distros who hide this info from me.  It should be 
on their main page IMO.

Good luck, I think you'll need it

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3400 or 1400

2003-07-08 Thread JOHN.E.ABRAHAM
Hi Listers

I am new to this list but not to LEM.

I am looking a obtaining a low cost laptop.   A G3 looks to be out of 
my range (price wise) but a 1400 or 3400 look interesting.

I would prefer to use a 3400 with its greater ram and screen size but 
the CPU is not upgradable.

The 1400 looks a good upgradable unit but is limited by the size of 
screen and max 64 ram.

Has any one experience of being able to install more than the maximum 
listed 64 Mb of ram.

I think I could live with the smaller screen size but would like to 
have more ram.

If there is any more advice you could pass on to me it would be very helpful.

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Re: linux on a powerbook ?

2003-07-08 Thread George Mogiljansky
Thanks, Brian. I would also mention that for those
users who cannot avoid using a 'newer' browser than
those currently supported by Classic OS, Linux might
be or actually is your sole alternative. But for most
of us, that day is far ahead. 
By the way, here is/are the list of supported Apple
powerbooks, etc.
http://penguinppc.org/projects/hw/pmac.shtml
Best
George

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 www.linux-iso.org then sort by architecture. 
 Finding supported CPU 
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 grab the distro 10 
 or 20 times from the distros who hide this info from
 me.  It should be 
 on their main page IMO.
 
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Re: quickcam and powerbooks

2003-07-08 Thread Gary D. Adams
Brian McEwen wrote:


- Original Message -
From: Illovox Media [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2003 1:44 pm
Subject: Re: quickcam and powerbooks

I'd like that too, if that's ok...:)



I don't know what's up with this, the 2.1.2 and 2.1.3 installers both 
refuse to run on my 9.1 1400 but Bruce's and others setups seem fine.  
I need to try them on my 9.1 desktop in case it's something specific 
that I have on the PB conflicting.

It is nice to have hope though.  I actually have a color and a grey one 
of these cams on the way from ebay- prices too good to refuse- and was 
wondering what the heck I was going to DO with them if they would not 
be useful dropped into the laptop bag

Brian
Nine11 by Akua (http://www.akua.com/Software/Nine11/) is what I had in 
mind. It allows software to run in 9 that would give a 119 error (thus 
Nine11).

Gary

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Re: 3400 or 1400

2003-07-08 Thread phiori
I love my 1400c upgraded with a Sonnet 333MHz G3. It is a solid performer. I use it 
10+ hours a day for developing, surfing, AIM,  and email.

The RAM is limited to 64MB. You can use a CF card for virtual Mem which is fast and 
saves on battery life.

I do that when using Photoshop a lot.

Most times though I just use virtual mem on the 20 gig drive I installed.

It's on par with any clam-shell iBook, minus the 190 MB ram, but gains the 2 pcmcia 
slots!

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Sent: 07/08/03 04:35 PM
To: PowerBooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 3400 or 1400

 
 Hi Listers

I am new to this list but not to LEM.

I am looking a obtaining a low cost laptop.   A G3 looks to be out of 
my range (price wise) but a 1400 or 3400 look interesting.

I would prefer to use a 3400 with its greater ram and screen size but 
the CPU is not upgradable.

The 1400 looks a good upgradable unit but is limited by the size of 
screen and max 64 ram.

Has any one experience of being able to install more than the maximum 
listed 64 Mb of ram.

I think I could live with the smaller screen size but would like to 
have more ram.

If there is any more advice you could pass on to me it would be very
helpful.

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Re: quickcam and powerbooks

2003-07-08 Thread David Allen
Nine11 (That's how you need to look for it.) I found it in about 5 seconds
with Sherlock.) The URL is: http://www.akua.com/Software/Nine11/

I use it in all of my PCI workstations and PBs. Works great. Just drop the
24k extension in your extensions folder and restart. Haven't found it to
conflict with anything in any of my very fat systems.

Enjoy
David Allen

Brian McEwen wrote:

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 Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2003 8:21 am
 Subject: Re: quickcam and powerbooks

  If I recall, there's a program called 911 or something like that
  that
  disables that warning and allows it to run.
 
  Gary

 Thanks- 20 min of googling with various keywords hasn't produced it
 yet, though.  Anyone have this installed?

 Thanks,

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pcmcia or not ?

2003-07-08 Thread Crazierhorses
Ooooh , may have had a breakthrough lol hmmm a simnple one en all!  Now as 
ive said i need to put linux onto the powerbook and have foun mklinux will do it 
but doesn't support pcmcia.  Now im totally new to macs and laptops but does 
the powerbook 1400c have a pcmcia slot?? There is a slot on the side which i 
asssumed was pcmcia but could it be something else ???

thankyou

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Re: pcmcia or not ?

2003-07-08 Thread Bruce Johnson
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Ooooh , may have had a breakthrough lol hmmm a simnple one en all!  Now as 
ive said i need to put linux onto the powerbook and have foun mklinux will do it 
but doesn't support pcmcia.  Now im totally new to macs and laptops but does 
the powerbook 1400c have a pcmcia slot?? There is a slot on the side which i 
asssumed was pcmcia but could it be something else ???
Nope, it's a PCMCIA slot.

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Install Cds

2003-07-08 Thread COCCORP
Hi,

Is there a general install CD for any OS previous to OS 7.6.1? 

And if not, would making one be as easy as putting all of the Floppy images 
on a CD-R/RW?

Thanks,

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Re: Install Cds

2003-07-08 Thread Fabian Fang
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Is there a general install CD for any OS previous to OS 7.6.1? 

And if not, would making one be as easy as putting all of the Floppy images 
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I have universal install CDs for OS 7.5 and 7.6.

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Re.: Is a PB 1400/466 G3 equal to a WS II 255 MHz?

2003-07-08 Thread macnifico
== ORIGINAL MESSAGE ==

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 14:35:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Hubatka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is a PB 1400/466 G3 equal to a WS II 255 MHz?

Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 23:44:49 -0500
From: macnifico 
Subject: Is a PB 1400/466 G3 equal to a WS II 255 MHz?
Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


Hi!
 


I have a Wall Street II (PDQ) with a 266 MHz G3 processor.
Will a PB 1400 with the 466 MHz G3 be as fast? Will screen redraw will 
 

be as fast?

Has anyone had real, practical experience with this two configurations?
Best regards.
Hugo Diaz
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I had a 1400cs with the 466 card and a Wallstreet 233 with only half the cache of the Sonnet or the WS 266. Both had 2GB drives. For real-world things I did like opening Word or Excel docs, the 1400 was about 1-2 seconds faster. However, the Wallstreet won out due to the bigger screen and expandability. I was able to run OSX (with a bigger HD later) and use USB and FireWire.

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Hi!

I know that a newer 'book will almost always beat an older one. I was 
referring to things like you said, that Word opens a little faster, etc.
Did you notice an improvement on screen redraws, or in how fast a Web 
page loads? Would the 466 1400 be a little faster than your 233 WS?
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Re: 1400 Processor Upgrade

2003-07-08 Thread Tom and Lisa P
Hi folks,

Looking for a definitive answer as to whether it is possible to replace the
133 cpu with a 166 cpu. I have read innumerable faqs, some saying yes, some
saying no way. Is this possible and if yes what is the qualifier as to
whether a particular 133 can be upgraded? Thanks.
You can upgrade if your 1400 is equipped with the newer ROMs.

http://www.ivsoftware.com/FAQMac/fom-serve/cache/16.html

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Re: PowerBook 1400 WiFi

2003-07-08 Thread macnifico
=== ORIGINAL MESSAGE =

Using OS 8.04 w/Sonnet G3 400Mhz card. Recently tried
two Orinoco Silver cards, but neither is recognized by
the Orinoco software (though the card itself does
appear as an icon on the desktop)
===

Same thing happened to me. With Mac OS 8.6, v7.x installed correctly on a 1400 with G3 
upgrade, and on a 1400 133, but didn't install on a 1400 166. Same problems as you 
have.
I found that v6.x installs correctly on that PB.
Same thing happened on a friend's 1400 133, but we couldn't make v6.x work on that 
beast. We had to go down all the way to v3.x for that one.
It really is like SCSI, you have to know voodoo and make sacrifices to the proper 
gods...  ;-)
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Re: linux on a powerbook ?

2003-07-08 Thread JosephC22
1) See the FAQ at http://lppcfom.sourceforge.net/fom-serve/cache/350.html 
for hints on partial support of the 1400 by MkLinux.

2) See http://nubus-pmac.sourceforge.net/ for info on efforts to port 
linuxppc to the NuBus architecture, including the 1400.

3) If I remember correctly, ethernet support was spotty at best: you 
pretty mch had to have one of the built-in cards, as PMCIA/PC cards were 
not supported. Unless you're experienced with linux at a fairly deep 
level, you might be better off selling the 1400 and buying a cheap 
Lombard G3 or a 3400 instead.

4)Tenon Intersystems developed a very cool implementation of BSD as a 
MacOS application called Power MachTen. Essentially, the complete unix 
system runs as a MacOS app, and it supports the usual assortment of open 
source software (e.g. Apache, Perl), X Windows, etc. I used to run it all 
the time on my 44 MB PB 1400 under MacOS 8.6, and the performance was 
pretty decent. Tenon is closing it out at $99. See 
http://www.tenon.com/closeout_order.shtml

Joe

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Subject: linux on a powerbook ?

hi all :) 
  Im new to this list and in need of some serious help ! :)  I have a 
powerbook 1400c/166 which is currently running mac os 8. It is my intention 
to 
put some form of linux or unix onto this machine.  From what i have read the 
only version of linux that has any chance of compatability is mklinux which 
doesn't support pcmcia on the powerbook.  NetBSD isn't compatable either 
although maybe other unix version are ???
 If anyone knows of a version of linux or unix that they have successfully 
installed on a powerbook 1400c then id love to hear from you!!! 

any help appreciated

Paul




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Re: linux on a powerbook ?

2003-07-08 Thread Ruffin Bailey
 Linuxppc wasn't very complete and is now defunct, Yellowdog last I 
 looked was pretty robust, although I'm not sure if the 1400 is 
 supported or not, this flavor is AFAIK going to be your only hope for 
 recent/robust/current/ongoing support.

Fwiw, I tried out LinuxPPC several years back on my StarMax 3000, and it did quite 
well.  Windowing was a bit slow -- sorta like OS X is on my iBook now -- but a very 
nice system to use.  I didn't have any trouble getting any app I wanted running on the 
distro, and even played CivCTP on LinuxPPC before it was available for Mac OS!

But for the 1400 (been checking it out this week just for the geek quotient), it does 
seem mkLinux is the only option.  Though the 1400 apparently didn't enjoy official 
support for quite a while, it's partially supported (and boy howdy do I mean 
partially) now.  Here's some info:
http://lppcfom.sourceforge.net/fom-serve/cache/593.html

NetBSD does not support the 1400, though it does support several low end Macs:
http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/models.html

Very low end Powerbooks might try OpenBSD:
http://www.openbsd.org/mac68k.html#hardware

With this in mind, I think you'd be better off trading in the 1400 for a support 
68k-based Mac if you're dying for an open OS.  Personally there's very little for the 
desktop I can do with an open OS that I can't do much better and more quickly with Mac 
OS 9-.  Server-side is much better with open OSs, of course, but then you're probably 
not trying to get Apache/php/mySQL on a 1400.

Strangely, the 1400's predicament in Linuxland is awfully similar to my Powerbook 
150's -- both have siblings just above and below that work with some *NIX flavor, but 
these two models don't quite.  Must be a sign that I'm supposed to stay with Classic.

Hope that helps,

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3400 PRAM problem?

2003-07-08 Thread Han

My 3400 suddenly stopped booting. My symptoms are
eerily similar to the ones posted by the 1400 owner
with a power button problem. Just clicks. I was having
some starting issues that I was resolving with the
reset button, but this trick no longer works. One day
it was fine, the next no bootability. My guess is
PRAM. What else could I try?  

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Re: 3400 or 1400

2003-07-08 Thread macnifico
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I love my 1400c upgraded with a Sonnet 333MHz G3. It is a solid performer. I use it 10+ hours a day for developing, surfing, AIM,  and email.

The RAM is limited to 64MB. You can use a CF card for virtual Mem which is fast and saves on battery life.

I do that when using Photoshop a lot.

Most times though I just use virtual mem on the 20 gig drive I installed.

It's on par with any clam-shell iBook, minus the 190 MB ram, but gains the 2 pcmcia slots!

0

So would you say that Web page loading and screen redraw are good, not tolerable, with the 333 G3?

I'd prefer a stock 3400 over any stock 1400, but not a G3 1400. And at least in my 
case, 64 Mb are not that limiting. I just run a single application most of the time, 
two tops.
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Re: linux on a powerbook ?

2003-07-08 Thread Andrew Kershaw
It's a little hard to find, but
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ppc.php3 says G3 or G4 or a PCI
based 604 only.
So no go for the original poster, who was 1400 (even if he got a G3
card, the 1400 is not PCI based).
That's not exactly correct.  With some extra effort, most Linuces for 
PowerPC will run on a NuBus (61/71/8100, 5300, 1400, 6200, 5200, etc) 
Mac.  You have to fiddle with the kernel - there is a NuBus enabled 
kernel out there somewhere that will enable the use of most other 
PowerPC Linuces on your 1400.

My advice: Don't bother.

Linux on the 1400 will be next to useless, since it doesn't support 
the T-REX PC Card controller, floppy drive, or expansion (CD-ROM) 
bay.  It also doesn't have sound-out, so you can't even have fun 
playing MP3s from your hard drive.  MkLinux also does not have 
support for these things.

MkLinux is coming back into the fold as a more-up-to-date *nix.  Last 
I heard, there were a few folks working hard on putting out a new 
release.

Yellow Dog is fine, and there's a bunch of other *nixes out there. 
Besides MkLinux, none of them natively support the 1400, but if you 
track down the NuBus enabled kernel, you _can_ install any PPC Linux 
(not LinuxPPC) on your 1400.

I've got Yellow Dog on a PowerTower Pro, and it works OK.  I put 
Mandrake on my Wallstreet and PowerMac G3 with some moderate success. 
In both cases, it was more of an experiment than something I actually 
use.

Setting up Macs older than the iMac/iBook with Linux can be a real 
pain in the butt  Probably more trouble than the casual user 
would want to bother with.

If you are a glutton for punishment, I put together a short how-to on 
installing MkLinux on my 5300ce.  It may be adaptable for your 1400. 
Take a look at 
http://homepage.mac.com/alk/personal/projects/5300/mklinux5300.html 
That's a very temporary URL, and it's not linked to anywhere on my 
site...

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Re: 1400 Power Button

2003-07-08 Thread Nils
You could try taking it all apart and putting it back together.
That solved one of my problems a while back.  But unfortunately
it doesn't actually teach you what was wrong.
Making sure not to loose or strip any screws.  :)

:)

On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 03:28:16PM -0400 or thereabouts, Davis wrote:
 Yes.
 Have done that.
 Also, I try to zap the Pram using CMD Option P R and it doesn't work.
 Have zapped on my old G3 so I know how.
 It just doesn't do it.  Starts up normal.
 Used a Reset Power Manager app and nothing changed.
 
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Re: 3400 or 1400

2003-07-08 Thread Cameron Kaiser
 So would you say that Web page loading and screen redraw are good,
 not tolerable, with the 333 G3?

I would. I've been *very* happy with mine, and it's all the PowerBook I
need for the time being. Performance is very snappy, even in 9.1, and
even with VM on (just about necessary with 9.1 on the 1400).

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Re: 5300+1400 chipset docs....

2003-07-08 Thread Andrew Kershaw
Good luck!  ;-)

If you find anything about the ITT SCSO(?) 2330 sound chip, let me 
know.  I've been looking for docs on the Singer sound IC for ages...

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Re: 1400 Power Button

2003-07-08 Thread Illovox Media
on 7/8/03 12:28 PM, Davis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes.
 Have done that.
 Also, I try to zap the Pram using CMD Option P R and it doesn't work.
 Have zapped on my old G3 so I know how.
 It just doesn't do it.  Starts up normal.
 Used a Reset Power Manager app and nothing changed.
 
 Michael

Sounds like Power Manager component is going


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Re: linux on a powerbook ?

2003-07-08 Thread jb
Tried it on a PC..multiple pcs linked together to render 3d stuff.Never
tried on a mac. Why on mac? The os is already pretty cool.

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