[RBW] Re: Haiku returns

[grant]

In a test ‘tween pals
Homer outdrew Paladin
Don’t worry—squirt guns!

Elvis sick tonite?
Mad throng wants refunds? Relax—
“Hips” Hilsen’ll wow ‘em.

Bottom of the ninth
Down by one, Koufax pitching
No sweat; Hilsen’s up.

Tot sick but doc gone?
And medicine cabinet bare?
Ring A-double H!

The headline, it read:
“In test of nerves and reflexes
“A” bests Kwai Chang Cain

Having just learned chess
Unknown A. Homer Hlsen
Stops Spasky in ten.

Marquee actor sick
Stand-in Hilsen knocks ‘em dead
Opening night: Big success!

Angelina J.
Plays poker with Halle B.
The prize: A. Homer Hilsen

Christina Hendricks
Lusts for A. Homer Hilsen
Can’t win him; in funk.

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Re: [RBW] Re: S24O for JL

[PATRICK MOORE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mep92KIDbOg

My daughter's favorite at age 7.

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 6:44 PM, RoadieRyan  wrote:
> Imagine All the People .Joel
>
> And don't forget to post pix when you are back.
>
> Thank John L. for your music that all these years later has made my 7
> yearold daughter a huge fan of the Beatles
>
> Be a Dreamer
>
> Ryan.
>
> On Oct 9, 10:00 am, SFF  wrote:
>> I'm heading out the door in a few minutes to start my 4th ever Sam
>> Hillborne enabled S24O. Everything is packed and ready...I hope. The
>> weather is just about perfect - highs in the 80's, lows in the 50's. I
>> expect to have the worlds best campfire tonight. TourSacks on back,
>> ShopSack up front and a well worn REI Half Dome Plus 2 strapped on the
>> Nitto.
>>
>> Today also marks what would have been John Lennon's 70th birthday. So
>> tonight when the stars come out and the fire is roaring, I'm going to
>> make a toast to John and reflect on his life, music and art.
>>
>> Chanting the Mantra - Peace on Earth...
>>
>> Joel
>> (Know yourself, Be yourself, Improve yourself)
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[RBW] Re: S24O for JL

[RoadieRyan]

Imagine All the People .Joel

And don't forget to post pix when you are back.

Thank John L. for your music that all these years later has made my 7
yearold daughter a huge fan of the Beatles

Be a Dreamer

Ryan.

On Oct 9, 10:00 am, SFF  wrote:
> I'm heading out the door in a few minutes to start my 4th ever Sam
> Hillborne enabled S24O. Everything is packed and ready...I hope. The
> weather is just about perfect - highs in the 80's, lows in the 50's. I
> expect to have the worlds best campfire tonight. TourSacks on back,
> ShopSack up front and a well worn REI Half Dome Plus 2 strapped on the
> Nitto.
>
> Today also marks what would have been John Lennon's 70th birthday. So
> tonight when the stars come out and the fire is roaring, I'm going to
> make a toast to John and reflect on his life, music and art.
>
> Chanting the Mantra - Peace on Earth...
>
> Joel
> (Know yourself, Be yourself, Improve yourself)

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[RBW] Re: odd request: sweater

[RoadieRyan]

Beth OMG! Thanks for the Vintage Tower of Power  I have been
listening to/catching in concert TOP for 30 years but have never seen
this type of vintage clip.  The Steven "the Funky Doctor: Kupka is my
hero.

Riv content hope you find your wool sweater or a suitable
replacement..  Damn Nieces!

Ryan "loving me some East Bay grease" Surface

On Oct 9, 1:44 pm, b hamon  wrote:
> I wouldn't normally bring this to the RIV list but I feel I've exhausted my 
> options.
>
> I once had a Bontrager wool-blend cardigan sweater, one of those teal-blue 
> ones with the olive and white trim down the sleeves, ages ago. I liked this 
> sweater a LOT because it had my initial on the front and fit me really well.
> I loaned it to my niece and she wore it for a few months. Then, about two 
> years ago, I asked for it back and she kept putting me off until, many months 
> later, she finally admitted to me that she wore it to a restaurant in Seattle 
> -- and accidentally left it there. She didn't realize it until she was 
> halfway back to Portland.
>
> Call that sweater gone. ..::sigh::..
>
> Anyway, I've been looking for a replacement all over the internet and 
> elsewhere and have come up empty-handed.
> So finally, I'm asking around.
> If you know of where I might possibly find this sweater in a mens' large, 
> please please let me know and I will follow up, going as far as to make the 
> current owner an offer.
>
> Thanks --Beth
>
> http://bikelovejones1.blogspot.com/

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[RBW] Re: Seattle Riv Ride: 10:10 on 10/10/10

[RoadieRyan]

Amen on the fenders...do I have enough time to mount a front leather
mud flap this evening...h?

On Oct 9, 2:05 pm, Rob Harrison  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Hope to see a bunch of you tomorrow! Looks like it's going to be wet. Glad 
> I've got my fenders on! Hm, kinda need a mud flap
>
> I'll be at Pert's by 9:30am anyway, maybe earlier. Still planning on a Mercer 
> Island loop.
>
> I'll have access to e-mail on my phone--if you're running late send a 
> message. :)
>
> Rob in Seattle
>
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Bruce Curry wrote:
>
> > Sorry to miss the ride next weekend. I have seen several Rivs in
> > Seattle this summer (two blue Rams, a yellow Bleroit, a green custom
> > (?) and a seafoam Atlantis) and I would love to see more.
>
> > Bruce
> > Orange Ram.
>
> > On Sep 30, 1:00 pm, Rob Harrison  wrote:
> >> San Diego, San Francisco and Portland have RIv Rides--let's try for  
> >> one in Seattle! I hear they've happened in the past Brian Hanson  
> >> and I have been talking about this. Here's the plan:
>
> >> We'll depart at 10:10am on 10/10/10 from Pert's Deli. Come earlier for  
> >> coffee and pastries. We'll head up the hill and over the I-90 Bridge  
> >> for a circumnavigation of Mercer Island, and then head back to Seattle  
> >> for lunch if anyone's up for it, possibly at the Madrona Ale House.  
> >> Around Mercer Island is about a 2-hour ride for me from my house in  
> >> nearby Mt Baker, 'least it was this summer, last time I did it, a  
> >> while prior to the STP. (Clearly I'm no speed demon!) We can break  
> >> into different speed groups, if enough people show up to make that  
> >> worthwhile. Plans may be adjusted, ride shortened or lengthened  
> >> depending on who shows up and how we all feel. The forecast looks  
> >> fantastic right now.
>
> >> I'll be on my butterscotch Saluki, wearing wool...;)
>
> >> Let me know if you think you'll come along, we can wait for you.
>
> >> Rob in Seattle
>
> >> ___
>
> >> By the way
>
> >> Here's a route guide:   
> >> and...
>
> >> a Google Map of Pert's Deli:
> >> 
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[RBW] FS Kogswell Frame and Fork 59cm

[Andrew]

59cm kogswell p/r frame and fork. This is the porteur randonneur frame
for 650b wheels and has a threadless fork. Its black and never built
up. It is not the stout model. $400

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[RBW] Re: S24O for JL

[Angus]

"Know yourself, Be yourself, Improve yourself"

I like that Joel...hope the S24O goes well...they usually do even when
they don't.

Angus

On Oct 9, 12:00 pm, SFF  wrote:
> I'm heading out the door in a few minutes to start my 4th ever Sam
> Hillborne enabled S24O. Everything is packed and ready...I hope. The
> weather is just about perfect - highs in the 80's, lows in the 50's. I
> expect to have the worlds best campfire tonight. TourSacks on back,
> ShopSack up front and a well worn REI Half Dome Plus 2 strapped on the
> Nitto.
>
> Today also marks what would have been John Lennon's 70th birthday. So
> tonight when the stars come out and the fire is roaring, I'm going to
> make a toast to John and reflect on his life, music and art.
>
> Chanting the Mantra - Peace on Earth...
>
> Joel
> (Know yourself, Be yourself, Improve yourself)

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[RBW] Re: Lights

[Angus]

Thanks for the link Jim.

I like the way Jim D has mounted his lights.

I'm about 75% of the way done with a triple CREE LED light...it's
turning out a ton cheaper than most commercial systems.

Angus

On Oct 9, 6:01 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 10/7/10 3:41 PM, Tim McNamara at tim...@bitstream.net wrote:
>
> > Another option, if you're handy with a soldering iron, is to build
> > your own LED light.  There's a lot of information on the Web about
> > this and it could be a fun project.
>
> I would point you to ride buddy and Master Of The Useful Hack JimG - he's
> built some pretty impressive lights, and has a load of references on his
> site/blog.
>
> If you have an interest in homebrewing, what you'll find is the "good" LED's
> you can buy separately are about a year or two ahead of most commercial
> products. The technology has really been moving fast on those, and with
> product cycles inherent in the bike biz, the actual LED's they spec end up
> being not as bright/efficient/advanced.
>
> For more on that, I'll point you his way -
>
> http://yojimg.net/bike/equipment/lights/led_lights.php
>
> - J
>
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[RBW] WTB- Mark Bar

[CCX]

Hello Rivsters,

Do any of you have a Mark Bar for sale?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights

[CycloFiend]

on 10/7/10 3:41 PM, Tim McNamara at tim...@bitstream.net wrote:

> Another option, if you're handy with a soldering iron, is to build
> your own LED light.  There's a lot of information on the Web about
> this and it could be a fun project.

I would point you to ride buddy and Master Of The Useful Hack JimG - he's
built some pretty impressive lights, and has a load of references on his
site/blog.

If you have an interest in homebrewing, what you'll find is the "good" LED's
you can buy separately are about a year or two ahead of most commercial
products. The technology has really been moving fast on those, and with
product cycles inherent in the bike biz, the actual LED's they spec end up
being not as bright/efficient/advanced.

For more on that, I'll point you his way -

http://yojimg.net/bike/equipment/lights/led_lights.php

- J

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[RBW] Re: Haiku returns

[japhilip]

Tearing the cardboard,
  I think of J. C. Higgins.
  Homer Hilsen gleams!

  A wasp stings my knee
 Hilsen brakes with smooth control
 by an icy brook.

 In dappled light I
  shadow chase on damp leaves with
A. Homer Hilsen.

 A road-stand, bare bulbs.
   Hilsen waits panniers empty.
   Impatient moths flit.

 In the grey twilight
   riding A. Homer Hilsen
   I smell the leaf smoke

  Lake effect snow builds.
 We're blue waiting for the thaw.
Hilsen can’t help it.

(originally submitted to the now defunct A Homer Hilsen site)

On Oct 9, 2:01 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
> Saturday morning stillness
> Chainsaws shatter all
> long ride provides peace and calm
>
> - J "The next Riv model should be Basho"
>
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Re: [RBW] hunq

[CycloFiend]

on 10/8/10 10:49 PM, erik jensen at bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote:

i actually took some photos of it while riding tonight, haven't felt like
stopping in a while.

bikenoir.blogspot.com 

slowing everything down,

eric - I really enjoy the quality of your images.  Thanks for sharing them.

- J

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"'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary
handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet.  Double disbeleif:
not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles."
-- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac"

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[RBW] Re: Lights

[Lynne Fitz]

I promised my new bike that it would not have any zipties, p-clamps or
electrical tape.  I'm with you there :-)

As for matching, the SON20 goes nicely with the White Industries H3
rear hub.  Shiny, curvy...

Lynne F

On Oct 9, 8:33 am, Tim McNamara  wrote:
> On Oct 9, 2010, at 5:38 AM, Jay LePree wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi all:
>
> > I recently purchased a "Magic Shine" bicycle light from Deal Extreme.
> > It is a Lithium ion battery operated LED light. It was 70.00 shipped
> > and is as bright as my Supernova E3.  The charge time is about 3 hours
> > on the brightest setting.  The only negative was that Deal Extreme is
> > based in Hong Kong, and it took 1 month to receive the light.  There
> > is a US-based firm, namely, Geomangear that sells this light as well.
> > You can read the reviews about the light by Googling Magic Shine
> > Bicycle Light.
>
> > If you are attentive to recharging battery operated lights, and need
> > light for only 1 to 2 hours, I am not sure how you could go wrong with
> > this light.  On one review I read, the light was compared to a light
> > made by Lupine that was in excess of $400, and the reviewer only
> > slightly favored the Lupine light.
>
> One issue for me- having bagmatching tendencies- is the aesthetics of  
> the installation.  Lights with external battery packs always look  
> kludgy to me.  With a generator system, usually (but not always) the  
> installation is very tidy.
>
> Geez.  What have I become?

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[RBW] Re: hunq

[Garth]

You gotta remember this is for a Fargo, it's not a road bike. You'll
likely get a better chainline using a XD2 because to use the 44 as a
double you'll have to move it out to clear the stays. In the case of
this frame, a triple gives you the most functional crankset.

If you had a 74mm 28t or 30t ring, and a 110mm 44t ring(in the
middle), and a bunch of BB's you could experiment on how long the BB
would need to be to clear the stays on an XD2.  But, most don't have
such stuff laying around. If you had a friendly  bike shop though that
would let you try things in the shop, that would be nice. These shops
are becoming more rare though.

MTB frames are just not designed for road cranks. The only one I've
seen is the original Stumpjumpers, where you could use a narrow of
double if you wanted to because of the very smart design. See pic
http://www.trek4fun.com/images/my_bikes/1983_stumpjumper_sport/1983_stumpjumper_sport_3.jpg

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle Riv Ride: 10:10 on 10/10/10

[Rob Harrison]

Hi all,

Hope to see a bunch of you tomorrow! Looks like it's going to be wet. Glad I've 
got my fenders on! Hm, kinda need a mud flap 

I'll be at Pert's by 9:30am anyway, maybe earlier. Still planning on a Mercer 
Island loop.

I'll have access to e-mail on my phone--if you're running late send a message. 
:)

Rob in Seattle


On Oct 3, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Bruce Curry wrote:

> Sorry to miss the ride next weekend. I have seen several Rivs in
> Seattle this summer (two blue Rams, a yellow Bleroit, a green custom
> (?) and a seafoam Atlantis) and I would love to see more.
> 
> Bruce
> Orange Ram.
> 
> On Sep 30, 1:00 pm, Rob Harrison  wrote:
>> San Diego, San Francisco and Portland have RIv Rides--let's try for  
>> one in Seattle! I hear they've happened in the past Brian Hanson  
>> and I have been talking about this. Here's the plan:
>> 
>> We'll depart at 10:10am on 10/10/10 from Pert's Deli. Come earlier for  
>> coffee and pastries. We'll head up the hill and over the I-90 Bridge  
>> for a circumnavigation of Mercer Island, and then head back to Seattle  
>> for lunch if anyone's up for it, possibly at the Madrona Ale House.  
>> Around Mercer Island is about a 2-hour ride for me from my house in  
>> nearby Mt Baker, 'least it was this summer, last time I did it, a  
>> while prior to the STP. (Clearly I'm no speed demon!) We can break  
>> into different speed groups, if enough people show up to make that  
>> worthwhile. Plans may be adjusted, ride shortened or lengthened  
>> depending on who shows up and how we all feel. The forecast looks  
>> fantastic right now.
>> 
>> I'll be on my butterscotch Saluki, wearing wool...;)
>> 
>> Let me know if you think you'll come along, we can wait for you.
>> 
>> Rob in Seattle
>> 
>> ___
>> 
>> By the way
>> 
>> Here's a route guide:   
>> and...
>> 
>> a Google Map of Pert's Deli:
>> >  >
> 
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Re: [RBW] odd request: sweater

[cyclotourist]

And to help people focus on the sweater:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHQqqM5sr7g


On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 1:44 PM, b hamon  wrote:

> I wouldn't normally bring this to the RIV list but I feel I've exhausted my
> options.
>
> I once had a Bontrager wool-blend cardigan sweater, one of those teal-blue
> ones with the olive and white trim down the sleeves, ages ago. I liked this
> sweater a LOT because it had my initial on the front and fit me really well.
> I loaned it to my niece and she wore it for a few months. Then, about two
> years ago, I asked for it back and she kept putting me off until, many
> months later, she finally admitted to me that she wore it to a restaurant in
> Seattle -- and accidentally left it there. She didn't realize it until she
> was halfway back to Portland.
>
> Call that sweater gone. ..::sigh::..
>
> Anyway, I've been looking for a replacement all over the internet and
> elsewhere and have come up empty-handed.
> So finally, I'm asking around.
> If you know of where I might possibly find this sweater in a mens' large,
> please please let me know and I will follow up, going as far as to make the
> current owner an offer.
>
> Thanks --Beth
>
> http://bikelovejones1.blogspot.com/
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[RBW] Re: hunq

[Michael_S]

kinda hard paying almost as much for the crankset as the bike... but
hey.. life is too short not to have your bike(s) set up the way you
like. Another option is finding a used 94/58 crankset ( Raceface
Turbine, Ritchey, Specialized S Works) so you can run a 44x29 set up.

~Mike~

On Oct 9, 12:00 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> True, and there is always Highpath Engineering, q.v. We'll see. It's
> less the cost than the startling, anxious feeling of a rare moral
> qualm: can I justify $340 for this bike?
>
> 'Twould be nice, tho' ...
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:55 PM, erik jensen  wrote:
> > Absolutely, but here's hoping white will be around for some time--I don't
> > see them phasing out the line, it doesn't seem in the palette of ethics
> > small manufacturers maintain. Even if the cranks are no longer made, I
> > imagine there will be an option for some time regarding chainring sourcing.
>
> > erik
>
> > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 11:54 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
> >> I'd be more tempted, high cost and all, if the rings were not
> >> proprietary. Ow well ...
>
> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:17 AM, erik jensen  wrote:
> >> > That is all correct Patrick.
>
> >> > I got the crank once upon a time for a singlespeed (actually,
> >> > double-double). With the recent geared build, I swapped the single
> >> > chainring
> >> > out for the VBC 40x24. BB is a 118 to give ample clearance, but i could
> >> > get
> >> > away with a 110 if I was willing to space out to the right a bit--I had
> >> > decent clearance with a 110.5 when I was playing around a bit.
>
> >> > And yes, srp is high -- when I bought most of the shiny bits, I was
> >> > working
> >> > in a shop. I would argue that it is worth supporting US makers like
> >> > White
> >> > who are doing strong and unique work. I'm happy to support operations
> >> > like
> >> > that, even at cost. That fluctuates for me, and my ability to do so is
> >> > no
> >> > longer since I've quit work and went back to school.
>
> >> > It's an very stiff and useful crank, also a change of pace from my
> >> > triple on
> >> > the atlantis, it keeps plenty of range as well. Fun stuff.
>
> >> > erik
>
> >> > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Garth  wrote:
>
> >> >> Patrick, I don't know how the stays on the Fargo are shaped, but if
> >> >> they are anything like a Bombadil, or Atlantis for that matter, I
> >> >> don't think a 44t ring can be used unless it's on the 3rd (outside)
> >> >> position of the crank. It's meant for a mountain bike chainline and
> >> >> crank.
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[RBW] odd request: sweater

[b hamon]

I wouldn't normally bring this to the RIV list but I feel I've exhausted my 
options.

I once had a Bontrager wool-blend cardigan sweater, one of those teal-blue ones 
with the olive and white trim down the sleeves, ages ago. I liked this sweater 
a LOT because it had my initial on the front and fit me really well.
I loaned it to my niece and she wore it for a few months. Then, about two years 
ago, I asked for it back and she kept putting me off until, many months later, 
she finally admitted to me that she wore it to a restaurant in Seattle -- and 
accidentally left it there. She didn't realize it until she was halfway back to 
Portland.

Call that sweater gone. ..::sigh::..

Anyway, I've been looking for a replacement all over the internet and elsewhere 
and have come up empty-handed.
So finally, I'm asking around.
If you know of where I might possibly find this sweater in a mens' large, 
please please let me know and I will follow up, going as far as to make the 
current owner an offer.

Thanks --Beth

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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking to buy Rivendell

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 11:03 -0700, Marty wrote:
> You could check with College Park Cycles near DC. They had a few
> frames hanging up in the shop last time I was there.

All gone as of a few weeks ago, and they are no longer a Rivendell
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Re: [RBW] WTT Nitto Technomic Deluxe 10cm for a 7 or 8cm

[PATRICK MOORE]

Jen (Jennings?): How much would you sell your TD for? I don't have a
shorter one for sale.

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 8:59 AM, jennings  wrote:
> My reach is too far with the 10 cm so I am going to try a 7 or 8 cm.
> Thanks.  Located in Atlanta.
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Re: [RBW] Re: hunq

[PATRICK MOORE]

True, and there is always Highpath Engineering, q.v. We'll see. It's
less the cost than the startling, anxious feeling of a rare moral
qualm: can I justify $340 for this bike?

'Twould be nice, tho' ...

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:55 PM, erik jensen  wrote:
> Absolutely, but here's hoping white will be around for some time--I don't
> see them phasing out the line, it doesn't seem in the palette of ethics
> small manufacturers maintain. Even if the cranks are no longer made, I
> imagine there will be an option for some time regarding chainring sourcing.
>
> erik
>
> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 11:54 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>>
>> I'd be more tempted, high cost and all, if the rings were not
>> proprietary. Ow well ...
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:17 AM, erik jensen  wrote:
>> > That is all correct Patrick.
>> >
>> > I got the crank once upon a time for a singlespeed (actually,
>> > double-double). With the recent geared build, I swapped the single
>> > chainring
>> > out for the VBC 40x24. BB is a 118 to give ample clearance, but i could
>> > get
>> > away with a 110 if I was willing to space out to the right a bit--I had
>> > decent clearance with a 110.5 when I was playing around a bit.
>> >
>> > And yes, srp is high -- when I bought most of the shiny bits, I was
>> > working
>> > in a shop. I would argue that it is worth supporting US makers like
>> > White
>> > who are doing strong and unique work. I'm happy to support operations
>> > like
>> > that, even at cost. That fluctuates for me, and my ability to do so is
>> > no
>> > longer since I've quit work and went back to school.
>> >
>> > It's an very stiff and useful crank, also a change of pace from my
>> > triple on
>> > the atlantis, it keeps plenty of range as well. Fun stuff.
>> >
>> > erik
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Garth  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Patrick, I don't know how the stays on the Fargo are shaped, but if
>> >> they are anything like a Bombadil, or Atlantis for that matter, I
>> >> don't think a 44t ring can be used unless it's on the 3rd (outside)
>> >> position of the crank. It's meant for a mountain bike chainline and
>> >> crank.
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Re: [RBW] Re: hunq

[erik jensen]

Absolutely, but here's hoping white will be around for some time--I don't
see them phasing out the line, it doesn't seem in the palette of ethics
small manufacturers maintain. Even if the cranks are no longer made, I
imagine there will be an option for some time regarding chainring sourcing.

erik

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 11:54 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> I'd be more tempted, high cost and all, if the rings were not
> proprietary. Ow well ...
>
> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:17 AM, erik jensen  wrote:
> > That is all correct Patrick.
> >
> > I got the crank once upon a time for a singlespeed (actually,
> > double-double). With the recent geared build, I swapped the single
> chainring
> > out for the VBC 40x24. BB is a 118 to give ample clearance, but i could
> get
> > away with a 110 if I was willing to space out to the right a bit--I had
> > decent clearance with a 110.5 when I was playing around a bit.
> >
> > And yes, srp is high -- when I bought most of the shiny bits, I was
> working
> > in a shop. I would argue that it is worth supporting US makers like White
> > who are doing strong and unique work. I'm happy to support operations
> like
> > that, even at cost. That fluctuates for me, and my ability to do so is no
> > longer since I've quit work and went back to school.
> >
> > It's an very stiff and useful crank, also a change of pace from my triple
> on
> > the atlantis, it keeps plenty of range as well. Fun stuff.
> >
> > erik
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Garth  wrote:
> >>
> >> Patrick, I don't know how the stays on the Fargo are shaped, but if
> >> they are anything like a Bombadil, or Atlantis for that matter, I
> >> don't think a 44t ring can be used unless it's on the 3rd (outside)
> >> position of the crank. It's meant for a mountain bike chainline and
> >> crank.
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Re: [RBW] Re: hunq

[PATRICK MOORE]

I'd be more tempted, high cost and all, if the rings were not
proprietary. Ow well ...

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:17 AM, erik jensen  wrote:
> That is all correct Patrick.
>
> I got the crank once upon a time for a singlespeed (actually,
> double-double). With the recent geared build, I swapped the single chainring
> out for the VBC 40x24. BB is a 118 to give ample clearance, but i could get
> away with a 110 if I was willing to space out to the right a bit--I had
> decent clearance with a 110.5 when I was playing around a bit.
>
> And yes, srp is high -- when I bought most of the shiny bits, I was working
> in a shop. I would argue that it is worth supporting US makers like White
> who are doing strong and unique work. I'm happy to support operations like
> that, even at cost. That fluctuates for me, and my ability to do so is no
> longer since I've quit work and went back to school.
>
> It's an very stiff and useful crank, also a change of pace from my triple on
> the atlantis, it keeps plenty of range as well. Fun stuff.
>
> erik
>
> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>> Patrick, I don't know how the stays on the Fargo are shaped, but if
>> they are anything like a Bombadil, or Atlantis for that matter, I
>> don't think a 44t ring can be used unless it's on the 3rd (outside)
>> position of the crank. It's meant for a mountain bike chainline and
>> crank.
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Re: [RBW] Re: hunq

[PATRICK MOORE]

That is what I found out the hard and expensive way after eagerly
buying a 44 for the middle and a 30 for the granny and, pushing them
finger tight onto the 113 spindle (for the XD2 crank) found they
bottomed out against the stay. I did get a Pro 5 Vis to work with a
44/30 in the middle and inner positions on an old, 60 mm BA + Fender
clearance, early '90s Diamond Back mtb, but that one had the stay
crimped a good inch or so further south than the stay on the Fargo.

I could save myself a lot of anxiety by just accepting things as they
are (Fargo + 113 Tange + XD2 scavenged from Sam Hill = works fine).

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> Patrick, I don't know how the stays on the Fargo are shaped, but if
> they are anything like a Bombadil, or Atlantis for that matter, I
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell in Twin Cities Metrotransit brochure?

[CycloFiend]

on 10/7/10 1:39 PM, doug peterson at dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

> Anyone in the Twin Cities area recognize what looks like a Rivendell
> in Metrotransit's "Bicycling as Transportation" brochure?  A friend
> sent me a copy for the informational content, which is excellent by
> the way.  One of the bikes used in many of the photos appears to be a
> Rivendell, although all the graphics have been removed.  At first
> glance I thought it might be an Atlantis but the color is a bit off
> and the crown detail is different from mine.  Looks like a typical Riv
> build thoough:  Nitto rear rack, nice saddlebag, Brooks, bar ends,
> maybe twine or leather bar covering, stack of headset spacers, etc.
> They couldn't have chosen a bettter model for their photos.

I'd guess that they used the same images which appear on the website -
featured a Rivendell Bleriot:

http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/

scroll down a little to see such images as this:

http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/bleriot/Bleriot%20on%20Metro1.jpg

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Re: [RBW] Haiku returns

[CycloFiend]

Saturday morning stillness
Chainsaws shatter all
long ride provides peace and calm

- J "The next Riv model should be Basho"

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[RBW] Re: Looking to buy Rivendell

[Marty]

You could check with College Park Cycles near DC. They had a few
frames hanging up in the shop last time I was there.

Marty

On Oct 9, 10:28 am, freedom  wrote:
> I am looking for a Rivendell that I could look at in the Maryland/ DC
> area. I'm not sure what size. Anyone with a bike for sale please
> contact me.
>
> Paul in Salisbury, MD

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[RBW] Looking to buy Rivendell

[freedom]

I am looking for a Rivendell that I could look at in the Maryland/ DC
area. I'm not sure what size. Anyone with a bike for sale please
contact me.

Paul in Salisbury, MD

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[RBW] S24O for JL

[SFF]

I'm heading out the door in a few minutes to start my 4th ever Sam
Hillborne enabled S24O. Everything is packed and ready...I hope. The
weather is just about perfect - highs in the 80's, lows in the 50's. I
expect to have the worlds best campfire tonight. TourSacks on back,
ShopSack up front and a well worn REI Half Dome Plus 2 strapped on the
Nitto.

Today also marks what would have been John Lennon's 70th birthday. So
tonight when the stars come out and the fire is roaring, I'm going to
make a toast to John and reflect on his life, music and art.

Chanting the Mantra - Peace on Earth...

Joel
(Know yourself, Be yourself, Improve yourself)

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[RBW] Re: Lights

[Tim McNamara]

On Oct 9, 2010, at 5:38 AM, Jay LePree wrote:


Hi all:

I recently purchased a "Magic Shine" bicycle light from Deal Extreme.
It is a Lithium ion battery operated LED light. It was 70.00 shipped
and is as bright as my Supernova E3.  The charge time is about 3 hours
on the brightest setting.  The only negative was that Deal Extreme is
based in Hong Kong, and it took 1 month to receive the light.  There
is a US-based firm, namely, Geomangear that sells this light as well.
You can read the reviews about the light by Googling Magic Shine
Bicycle Light.

If you are attentive to recharging battery operated lights, and need
light for only 1 to 2 hours, I am not sure how you could go wrong with
this light.  On one review I read, the light was compared to a light
made by Lupine that was in excess of $400, and the reviewer only
slightly favored the Lupine light.


One issue for me- having bagmatching tendencies- is the aesthetics of  
the installation.  Lights with external battery packs always look  
kludgy to me.  With a generator system, usually (but not always) the  
installation is very tidy.


Geez.  What have I become?

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Re: [RBW] Re: hunq

[erik jensen]

That is all correct Patrick.

I got the crank once upon a time for a singlespeed (actually,
double-double). With the recent geared build, I swapped the single chainring
out for the VBC 40x24. BB is a 118 to give ample clearance, but i could get
away with a 110 if I was willing to space out to the right a bit--I had
decent clearance with a 110.5 when I was playing around a bit.

And yes, srp is high -- when I bought most of the shiny bits, I was working
in a shop. I would argue that it is worth supporting US makers like White
who are doing strong and unique work. I'm happy to support operations like
that, even at cost. That fluctuates for me, and my ability to do so is no
longer since I've quit work and went back to school.

It's an very stiff and useful crank, also a change of pace from my triple on
the atlantis, it keeps plenty of range as well. Fun stuff.

erik

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Garth  wrote:

>
> Patrick, I don't know how the stays on the Fargo are shaped, but if
> they are anything like a Bombadil, or Atlantis for that matter, I
> don't think a 44t ring can be used unless it's on the 3rd (outside)
> position of the crank. It's meant for a mountain bike chainline and
> crank.
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[RBW] Re: hunq

[Garth]

Patrick, I don't know how the stays on the Fargo are shaped, but if
they are anything like a Bombadil, or Atlantis for that matter, I
don't think a 44t ring can be used unless it's on the 3rd (outside)
position of the crank. It's meant for a mountain bike chainline and
crank.

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[RBW] WTT Nitto Technomic Deluxe 10cm for a 7 or 8cm

[jennings]

My reach is too far with the 10 cm so I am going to try a 7 or 8 cm.
Thanks.  Located in Atlanta.

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Re: [RBW] Re: hunq

[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks, that is them. And proprietary rings and $340 at srp for crank,
30 and 44 -- too rich for me, I'm afraid.

I'm running my XD2 triple as a "more or less" double with the six cog
cassette (15, 17, 20, 24, 29, 34) offset to the outside on an 8 sp
freehub body; the stock 46 gives me an 89" high and the 36/34 gives me
a 31" low (actual 29" wheels), which is enough range for almost all my
dirt riding; after all, I moved to the Fargo from a 63" Monocog 29er.
Onroad I simply use the 46X20 for almost everthing (67" gear).

Still, a 44/30 would be, as the White Ind blurb says, neater.

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Marty  wrote:
> If I'm not mistaken, they are White Industries:
>
> http://www.whiteind.com/cranks/mountaincranks.html
>
>
> On Oct 9, 8:25 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>> Nice photos.
>>
>> Can you remind me of the name of those cranks? Am I right in thinking
>> that they can take rings of any bcd? If so, I'd appreciate your
>> opinion of them, as I am interested in a pair for a wide range double
>> for my new Fargo, where the clearances are so tight with the wide
>> stays that I can't get anything bigger than a 24/36 in the inner and
>> middle postions. I want to run a 44/30 in the outer and middle and
>> align the cassette accordingly.
>>
>> Can they take 110 bcd rings or only proprietary rings?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:49 PM, erik jensen  wrote:
>> > i actually took some photos of it while riding tonight, haven't felt like
>> > stopping in a while.
>>
>> > bikenoir.blogspot.com
>>
>> > slowing everything down,
>>
>> > erik
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[RBW] Re: hunq

[Marty]

If I'm not mistaken, they are White Industries:

http://www.whiteind.com/cranks/mountaincranks.html


On Oct 9, 8:25 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Nice photos.
>
> Can you remind me of the name of those cranks? Am I right in thinking
> that they can take rings of any bcd? If so, I'd appreciate your
> opinion of them, as I am interested in a pair for a wide range double
> for my new Fargo, where the clearances are so tight with the wide
> stays that I can't get anything bigger than a 24/36 in the inner and
> middle postions. I want to run a 44/30 in the outer and middle and
> align the cassette accordingly.
>
> Can they take 110 bcd rings or only proprietary rings?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:49 PM, erik jensen  wrote:
> > i actually took some photos of it while riding tonight, haven't felt like
> > stopping in a while.
>
> > bikenoir.blogspot.com
>
> > slowing everything down,
>
> > erik
> > --
> > oakland, ca
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Re: [RBW] hunq

[PATRICK MOORE]

Nice photos.

Can you remind me of the name of those cranks? Am I right in thinking
that they can take rings of any bcd? If so, I'd appreciate your
opinion of them, as I am interested in a pair for a wide range double
for my new Fargo, where the clearances are so tight with the wide
stays that I can't get anything bigger than a 24/36 in the inner and
middle postions. I want to run a 44/30 in the outer and middle and
align the cassette accordingly.

Can they take 110 bcd rings or only proprietary rings?

Thanks.

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:49 PM, erik jensen  wrote:
> i actually took some photos of it while riding tonight, haven't felt like
> stopping in a while.
>
> bikenoir.blogspot.com
>
> slowing everything down,
>
> erik
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[RBW] Re: Lights

[Jay LePree]

Hi all:

I recently purchased a "Magic Shine" bicycle light from Deal Extreme.
It is a Lithium ion battery operated LED light. It was 70.00 shipped
and is as bright as my Supernova E3.  The charge time is about 3 hours
on the brightest setting.  The only negative was that Deal Extreme is
based in Hong Kong, and it took 1 month to receive the light.  There
is a US-based firm, namely, Geomangear that sells this light as well.
You can read the reviews about the light by Googling Magic Shine
Bicycle Light.

If you are attentive to recharging battery operated lights, and need
light for only 1 to 2 hours, I am not sure how you could go wrong with
this light.  On one review I read, the light was compared to a light
made by Lupine that was in excess of $400, and the reviewer only
slightly favored the Lupine light.

Regards,

Jay
Demarest, NJ

On Oct 5, 7:44 am, "opa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> Looking for light recommendations for use in my ride in the early
> morning hours, about a 10 mile ride on dark rural roads.  I am looking
> for suggestions by Riv owners for lights that work with their setups.
> I am a longtime owner/user of the NightRider "classic", which was ok,
> although I never liked the gunky coax-like cabling, but the 3 ton
> battery has finally given out and I'm ready for something new,
> hopefully lighter in weight, and brighter, if possible...LED's?.  Does
> anyone still use generator type lights?
>
> Since this is not really RBW related, please email your suggestions
> offline!
>
> Cheers

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