Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Clem Smith Jr L 52

[John Johnson]

Hi Doug,

I can confirm that La Chouette (Paris) has a 52 in green right now. At 
least their website says so, and they are usually pretty good about keeping 
their stock up to date.

Of course, it's more expensive than buying direct from Riv and then there's 
the whole issue of moving it from France to wherever you are located.

I am located in France, I work about 10 minutes from La Chouette, I confirm 
that they are great and super helpful guys, and I'm happy to broker on your 
behalf if you don't find an easier solution (i.e. a used 52 somewhere in 
the US). 

cheers,

John

On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 3:13:02 PM UTC+2 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Doug,
>
> You are more than welcome.
>
> Kim.
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 3:08:10 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Thank you for the info Kim!
>> Doug
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 27, 2024, at 12:59 AM, Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> @Doug,
>>
>> Here is one. You might want to call to verify that it is in stock in 
>> Canada.
>>
>> https://www.clcycle.ca/en/cadre-et-fourche-rivendell-clem-l-frame-and-fork.html
>>
>> ...or in France:
>> https://www.lachouetteparis.com/products/rivendell-clem-frame
>>
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 1:42:11 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I sold one but now want another one to set up for trail riding. If you 
>>> have a 52 L in any color that you'd like to sell let me know.
>>> Doug
>>>
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Re: [RBW] How to carry a Clem Jr on a Carrier designed For A Top Tube

[John Johnson]

Hi Gordon,

I have used a frame adapter before (something like this 
https://www.canyon.com/en-fr/gear/accessories/transport-and-travel/bike-transport/thule-bike-frame-adapter/10004231.html).
 
But if you don't want to worry about multiple connection points, I'd change 
for a rack that the tires sit in rather than one where the bike is hung by 
the frame.

Cheers, 

John
On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 7:45:45 AM UTC+2 gds...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>
>
> On Wed, May 29, 2024, 11:25 PM Gordon Stam  wrote:
>
>> This may be a multi part post because when I'm get a message saying "Your 
>> message is too long, etc."  So I'm going the post the pictures in a follow 
>> up. Maybe the pictures are too big? Anyway...
>>
>> Maybe this is not news but maybe it is. When I bought my Clem I also 
>> ordered a rear carrier that fit into the receiver hitch on my car. I have a 
>> spare tire mounted Allen carrier on a Jeep and liked it so I ordered the 
>> Allen reciever model. They are pretty budget friendly at less than $100. 
>> After I got the Clem built up I went to put on the carrier and, oops - 
>> there's no top tupe to hang the bike from. Hmm, have to improvise. I tried 
>> many configurations but the bike would always be top heavy and want to 
>> pivot forward and lay more or less flat. That looked lousy and it was 
>> lousy, reqiring lots of lashing to get it to stay put. Finally I hit on a 
>> solution.
>>
>> The pictures explain it but what I do is position the one horizontal 
>> support behind the seat tube and the other under the uppermost down tube. 
>> The frame rests on little pivoting fixtures with nylon straps to hold it in 
>> place. At this point the bike will still want to rotate forward, top 
>> towards the car, especially if the front wheel is turned towards the car 
>> (not so much if its turned the other way) so to prevent that - and this was 
>> the "aha" moment - I use a Voile strap to fix the crank arm to the vertical 
>> support, which I have padded. And now the bike is solid on the carrier; it 
>> does not budge. Easy on, with a bit of lifting, and easy off. I use a seond 
>> Voile strap to keep the front wheel from flopping around (I've sinced 
>> turned the wheel toward the back of the car, which limits overhang on the 
>> passenger side and also keeps the bike in place while you strap down the 
>> crank arm).
>>
>> One bonus to this method is it keeps the bike up nice and high so no 
>> worries about hitting it on the ground. Everything is high and tight, as 
>> they say. 
>>
>> Final note, the pump is at that screwy angle because then I don't have to 
>> remove it when I load the bike. It looks sorta weird but I'm getting used 
>> to it and I don't see it when I'm on the bike so who cares! It's held in 
>> place with more Voile straps, of which there are 14 on the bike if you 
>> count them all up.
>>
>> Pictures to follow, hopefully.
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Re: [RBW] Building up a 45cm Clem for a 5'2 rider

[John Johnson]

Hi Igor,

For a 5'2" rider (I'm not going to assume it's for a lady or for your 
friend!), the 45cm Clem is perfect. Obviously there is no "objective" right 
answer for which bars to use, and it's gonna depend on different factors (I 
know I'm not dropping any mind-blowing information, but just to lay the 
groundwork for my suggestions). 
I'd ask the following questions:

   - What year Clem is it? The older Clems had shorter top tubes (less 
   reach) than the newer (2019 and post) models. 
   - What is the intended use? Tooling around, commuting, touring, mountain 
   biking? 
   - How does the rider like to be positioned? Aggressive and racy? Upright 
   and comfy? 
   - What is the rider's morphology? Long torso, short legs? Long legs, 
   short torso? Normal legs, normal torso?
   - Are there aesthetic considerations? 
   - Are there cost considerations?

For me (an N of 1 - I am 5'8", longer torso with very short legs, for 
reference), I currently ride a Clem 45 L (longer reach 2019 model, but 
still with 26" wheels before the switch to 27.5") with a 70cm Nitto Tallux 
at the minimum insertion and 60cm Tosco bars and I couldn't be happier. My 
wife rides a Clem 45 L with Soma Oxford bars and I really like that set up 
too, but I find the Oxfords at 54cm (identical to Nitto Albatross) a tad 
bit narrow for my taste. I rode my pre-2019 Clem H with a Riv Bullmoose 
(67cm) and it was totally great - but I was running that bike single speed 
and as a dedicated mountain bike - I don't love the 30° sweep for longer 
rides (on longer rides, I want 45-60° sweep). I tried Boscos for a minute 
(I think it was the 54cm that came stock on my wife's Clem), but I felt 
almost cartoonishly upright and didn't feel connected enough with the bike. 

For your rider, at 5'2", I'm guessing you have a newer (post 2019 geo 
changes) Clem and it's likely they'll want swept back bars of some sort. I 
think the Albatross (or Soma Oxford) are perfect for the Clem  - right 
rise, sweep, width, and good looking to boot. The Toscos, like I mentioned, 
are great, but I'd opt for the 55cm model probably in your rider's case. 
Re: the Boscos, I'm a bit taller than your rider, so maybe Boscos would do 
the trick in their case. Lastly, if they don't want a relaxed position, 
you've got a billion options of flat or riser bars with minimal sweep, but 
I won't bother with recs. 



cheers,

John (outside Fontainebleau)


On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 6:36:58 AM UTC+2 Kim H. wrote:

> @Igor -
> I have a couple of Terry women's saddles that are lightly used to sell, if 
> you are interested for your lady friend.
>
> https://www.terrybicycles.com/Cite-X-Gel-Italia
>
> https://www.terrybicycles.com/Liberator-X
>
> Contact me off this group for more details and pictures.
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 7:52:34 PM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote:
>
>> A lot of nice bars to choose from. That said, the Bosco is perfect. The 
>> extra rise is great as it results in less stem exposed than with the Tosco. 
>> I suggest one of the three FacePlater stems makes life so much easier & the 
>> older tig welded one is currently on sale, I think. But, without the frame 
>> & handlebar at hand it’s guesswork at best regarding stem length. I am 
>> 5’10”, ride a 52 Clem with Bosco & 135 FacePlater. I do not know how much 
>> shorter the reach is on the 45, but I would guess a stem closer to 70-80? 
>> Call Riv & ask them, they give excellent advice. Or, try to get your hands 
>> n a few different (cheap) stems to try?
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 4, 2024, at 9:28 PM, Igor  wrote:
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>> Any suggestions or ways to "know" what stem or bars to use? Not sure 
>> where to begin. 
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[RBW] Re: Silver shifters, v1 vs. v2

[John Johnson]

I will share a personal anecdote about my V1 shifters. I disassembled them 
to switch from being bar-end back to being down tube shifters. When I put 
them on the downtube, one of them kept slipping and wouldn't hold no matter 
how hard I tightened the bolt (and I broke a few plastic washers). After a 
day or two, I opened it up and realized I'd put the sprocket in backwards 
(so yeah, duh, it definitely wouldn't hold). I'm sure that's not your 
case...

The newer replacement washers did work better for me (but they still crack 
over time). The brass replacement washers is what I have now, and they work 
well. 

cheers,

John (near Fontainebleau)



On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 3:52:05 AM UTC+2 Jay wrote:

> I'm sure that is frustrating!  I feel for you.  I don't like when anything 
> mechanical is not functioning up to par.
>
> I only have experience with Dia-Compe Ene 11s.  They slipped once on me, 
> without realizing what was happening.  I got home, googled it, figured it 
> out and only had to tighten the 'd' ring and that has so far solved the 
> problem.  I bought loc-tite but haven't used it.
>
> Good luck!
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 11:13:13 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Ian,
>> I had slippage with Silver v2 set up on my Clem. I used Loctite and it 
>> solved the issue for awhile then they slipped again. After switching to 
>> Microshift I not longer had any slippage. I am not an experienced bike 
>> mechanic so my installation may have been off with the Silvers but the 
>> Microshift worked for me.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 9:37:26 AM UTC-4 ian m wrote:
>>
>>> I have completely disassembled and reassembled more than a couple times, 
>>> both intentionally and un. I have run my set on both the downtube and 
>>> bar-ends on more than one bike, and my wife has a set on the bar-ends of 
>>> her Hillborne. We have broken so many plastic washers trying to keep them 
>>> from slipping that I have multiple back-up bags.
>>>
>>> On checking the Riv product page now it looks like the complete shifters 
>>> come with a "new and improved" plastic washer that isn't available 
>>> separately. Can anyone speak to an improved user experience? I have the 
>>> older L/R version rather than the newer X/O version also.
>>>
>>> I do think these shift fantastically and are in every way superior to 
>>> the Sunrace shifters I used previously, it's only the slippage that grinds 
>>> my gears.
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 11:09:11 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
 I'm not sure if I have the v1 or v2 but probably the v1 and earlier but 
 I've never had slippage.  You do have to line up the square piece when 
 installing them and get the plastic washer lined up too but after that 
 it's 
 tight enough to hold.  The exploded view that Eric Marth will help show 
 you 
 the critical points of contact to line up.  I do know the plastic washers 
 break after a while but that's usually when the bike falls and the shifter 
 takes most of the force of the fall.

 On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 6:56:26 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:

> I love the look of the Silver1 shifters. IMO they are the platonic 
> ideal whether on downtube or bar-end. Yet I find in my experience the 
> performance refuses to meet the aesthetic quality. Try as I may I can't 
> get 
> the shifter to stay put. Loctite or beeswax, slippage, then 
> over-tightening. There's still no better option than the plastic washer? 
> Hoped the brass bit over the plastic would protect it, no such luck they 
> always crack. I'm tired of trying to make these work. 
>
> Do the newer Silver2 shifters improve in performance where they've... 
> let's just say changed in aesthetics? It reads as though they have the 
> same 
> internals which I would assume is the issue. While they do have a look 
> that 
> maybe only a mother could love I'm willing to give them a shot if it's a 
> noticeable difference.
>
> I am index curious but not sure I'd want to pay the Dura-Ace bar-end 
> price rather than making the all-out switch to brifters. Any thoughts or 
> advice welcome.
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[RBW] Re: Front basket for a Clem?

[John Johnson]

These are nicehttps://cyclesmanivelle.com/en/-shop/racks-baskets/

Otherwise any old front rack + a wald 137 ftw.

John

On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 5:13:38 PM UTC+1 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> The classic answer here is the Wald 137. It's shallower than the bosco 
> basket and looks great IMO. Crust bikes also sells a half-depth version of 
> both the 137 and (i think) the 139.
>
> Brian F
>
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 10:00:19 AM UTC-5 smer...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> What works well and will not break the bank? I see that Wald Bosco basket 
>> that Riv sells, which I'm sure is functional, but sort of unaesthetic.  
>> Does anyone have any experience with the Pelago Rasket? Or anything else 
>> that will sit relatively low and hold a backpack or a six pack?
>>
>> smm
>>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[John Johnson]

A quickbeam 
and
 
a (not a riv, but what I would guess is an early) nobilette 
frame
 
from the same seller on Ebay

john
On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 12:36:29 AM UTC+1 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:

> 47cm upright Homer Hilson spotted on Craigslist here in the DC/Northern 
> Virginia area.  (Not mine, other disclaimers, etc.!)
>
>
> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/reston-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7726857824.html
>
> Liz
> Washington, DC
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 1:55:25 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Haha.  $700 would be a very good deal.  
>>
>> I'm intrigued by. his front rack.  I have two copies of that rack and 
>> mine don't have a fender attachment point.  That spot is pretty important 
>> for a full coverage metal fender setup.  I may throw him an offer for only 
>> the racks, and see what happens.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 10:24:06 AM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe an accidental extra zero /  a misplaced decimal point???
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:
>>>
 Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but 
 this Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.

 On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the 
> roof.
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>
>> wow
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Heron Touring 
 55cm
 $7000
 Walled Lake, Michigan
 Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto racks, 
 and full Campagnolo...

 https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw

 On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Roadini
> 57cm
> 2000
> Emeryville, CA
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[John Johnson]

I have both normal and longish chainstay bikes in my house. I like the 
aesthetics of both, and they both feel "normal" (like Matt from Crust said) 
once you're riding. 

I know way less about bike handling and geometry than most of you, but one 
thing I assume that when you're riding in a more upright position, you want 
those long chainstays because your center of gravity is more aft than with 
a "traditional" bike position, where you are leaned a bit more forward on 
your hands and your weight is distributed more up front. It makes intuitive 
sense to me, and if you look at both Jones and Riv, the comfy upright 
position that they both aim for (albeit via different routes) involves 
getting the bars closer to you (high stack and short reach in the case of 
Jones, high handlebars in the case of Riv) and long chainstays. It would 
make sense that if the rider's weight is supposed to be farther back, the 
bike design should take this into account.

-John 
On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 3:57:29 PM UTC+1 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well, the larger volume tires are definitely part of the ride quality 
> equation. If they are “bouncy” the pressure is too high.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 8, 2024, at 8:50 AM, Chris Halasz  wrote:
>
> I'll chime in that while the very long (54cm?) chainstays on some of the 
> frames introduce some storage concerns, they (the Platypus, for instance) 
> ride very, very nicely. 
>
>
> That said, I dislike the common (what, 41cm?) short chainstays far more 
> than I dislike the extended variety. 
>
> My chainstay sweet spot compromise may be more like 46cm, but I find 
> myself drawn to even longer. 
>
> What I haven't yet come to appreciate are large tires for road use, say, 
> anything over 35mm. The longer chainstay bikes, to me, start to look 
> nervous with narrower tires. I really like the looks of the Clem H, though. 
>
> Maybe there's more learning for me to appreciate the wider, heavier, 
> bouncier tread. But that's another topic. 
>
> - Chris 
> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 8:30:45 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Ian thinks "there's a heaping good portion of "I got mine" in your 
>> perspective."  
>>
>> You are allowed to think whatever you like about me and my motives.  Are 
>> you in the market for a new (to you) bike now?  What is your build concept?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 4:02:18 PM UTC-8 ian m wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> All those wanting Rivendell to re-release bikes they made 10 years ago 
>>> do NOT have to turn in their Riv card, but they ARE outing themselves as 
>>> PAWNS of the T IC.  Resist the pressures of the Time and Date Industrial 
>>> Complex!  
>>>
>>>
>>> BL I feel like I understand where you're coming from in this thread and 
>>> largely I don't disagree with much of what you're saying but I think 
>>> there's a heaping good portion of "I got mine" in your perspective. Yes, I 
>>> do have whatever the reverse of FOMO is when it comes to Riv bikes (Sad I 
>>> Missed Out, SIMO?). I learned about Riv circa the late aughts while working 
>>> at Amoeba in Berkeley and riding my POS fixed gear bike (with Wald 808 bars 
>>> and front basket) everywhere. Dreamt of virtually every model at the time, 
>>> all of which were firmly out of reach with a record store employee 
>>> paycheck. Had I been able to afford a couple twos threes of their bikes at 
>>> the time I'd probably be hang up free about their current designs. But I 
>>> think we all want what we can't have, and (for a terrible comparison) I 
>>> lament plenty of other unfortunate changes like the reality of modern 
>>> pickup trucks as opposed to my first two, the Datsun 720 and Toyota 22RE. 
>>> Change may be constant but it's not always beneficial
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Intro Post // My 51cm Toyo Atlantis

[John Johnson]

@ Patrick Moore,

I'll let the OP respond, but the tires appear to be Ultradynamico Mars Race.

I could be wrong about the Mars part, but they're definitely Ultradynamico. 

Cheers,

John

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:51:53 AM UTC+1 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Hey look who it is!  
>
> I thought yer bike was a 53!  
>
> On Sunday 21 January 2024 at 13:11:59 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Beautiful, beautiful bike. I’ve been thinking that crank would be just 
>> about perfect for an Roaduno.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2024, at 3:40 PM, Brenton Eastman  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Looking very sweet. I love the twin bags front and rear. What size 
>> Carradice are those?
>>
>>
>> Hope you let that cola settle down before opening!
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 12:14:10 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Josie! Good to see you here. As always, lovely build.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 11:46:56 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Very nice build -- top 5 Atlantis build, in my book -- and that tiny 
 rack is apparently capable of carrying immense loads.

 I can't see clearly from the photos, but it looks as if you have 
 knobbies under fenders. First, what are the tires? Secondly, what if any 
 is 
 your front fender QR system, in case you pick up a stick? I am thinking of 
 getting a second, fat and knobby wheelset for one of my bikes and have 
 thought this would mean removing the fenders, but perhaps there are 
 alternatives.

 On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 11:35 AM Josie  wrote:

> Hello amigos, 
>
> This is my first time posting up here - thanks for having me! This is 
> my 51cm Toyo Built Atlantis that I picked up about 2 years ago. I take a 
> lot of pictures while I ride, sometimes digital, often on film. I'm 
> looking 
> forward to seeing all of your builds and being apart of the Riv hype!
>
> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 2.jpg]
> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 1.jpg][image: Rivendell Atlantis 19.jpg]
>
> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 10.jpg][image: Rivendell Atlantis 15.jpg]
> Happy pedalling! ✌️ 
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[RBW] Re: Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

[John Johnson]

Hi Nick,

The Woom is a great bike. But there are other good kid bikes too. As for 
what will work for your kid, it probably depends on his/her size and how 
comfortable they are on the balance bike already.

I've got a 3.5 year old kid. For reference, he is smack-dab right in the 
average sized, 50th percentile of the CDC weight/height for age and always 
has been. He was riding at 3 years and 2 weeks old (he'd gotten a Woom 2 
for his 3rd birthday). The Woom 2 has been a great beginner bike, but it's 
true that he's already gone up on saddle height in the last few months, and 
I can see him outgrowing it by his 4th birthday. Of course, we bought the 
bike used and they have good resale, so I don't mind selling/upgrading, 
etc. 

We were on vacation a couple weeks ago and rented a Trek Precaliber 16. He 
had no problems at all riding it at his age (again, normal 1-meter tall 3.5 
year old). It took him a few minutes to figure out the coaster brake 
because he is used to hand brakes, but in about 2 minutes he'd figured it 
out. So, I think a 16 in is a reasonable investment if your kid is already 
3 and a half and is on the normal to tall side.

Hope that helps.

cheers,

John

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 9:55:09 PM UTC+1 fiddl...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Since RBW regrettably doesn't make kids hillibikes, I'm going to have to 
> go a bit outside of my comfort zone to pick out a first pedal bike for my 
> son. He's ~3.5yo, and more than ready to move up from his 12" balance bike.
>
> Any tips from other parents who have recently gone through the switch from 
> balance to pedals? I'm leaning toward something like a Woom 3 (16"), since 
> they seem to be very well regarded, and I'm afraid he would outgrow a 14" 
> bike too soon at this point to justify the expense. (am I wrong?) Probably 
> also worth noting that a lot of his riding is currently on trails, so I'm 
> definitely looking for something that will work well off-pavement, too. 
> Anyhow, I'll take any advice the group is willing to throw at me - thanks 
> in advance for your help!
>
> Nick
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Nitto Promenade Bar

[John Johnson]

Hi Michael,

The Cleary Hedgehog looks like a great bike (and great company)! We can't 
get it in Europe as far as I know, but it was one that I considered for 
sure. I'm certainly no expert on the matter of kids bikes, but like any 
good RBW owner's bunch dad I did plenty of online scouring before buying. I 
do know (from this 
site: https://www.twowheelingtots.com/cleary-hedgehog-review/) that the 
Hedgehog has more aggressive geometry than a Woom or Prevelo - due to lower 
stack height and less bar rise. Apparently in 2021, Cleary increased the 
rise on the bars so the position is a bit less aggressive. 

I'd say give it a shot with whatever bike you do buy's standard set up and 
see what needs adjusting. If the promenades end up working, I'd love to 
see! 

I found with the Woom that we needed to lean the bars back a bit (the nice 
thing about the big riser bars that is has is you can lean them back and 
get a closer reach), and we've already raised the saddle height twice in 
about 4 months (growth? more confidence on the bike?).

For the next bike, I expect to keep this one until he's close to 5 years 
old. At that point, I don't know if I'll be so particular about the 2nd 
bike. I was obsessed with making sure he enjoyed riding, so I took this 
first bike purchase probably too seriously. I think by the time he's 5, 
I'll choose something a little cheaper but still reasonable quality. Wooms 
are really great bikes, I just don't think I need to buy a new $400+ bike 
every 2 years when there are other decent options. 

cheers,

John
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:24:56 PM UTC+2 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> matthew - thanks for that. promenade is less wide than those 'adult' 
> offerings so i'd stick to that
>
> john - i just helped a friend get a bike for their kid. it was labeled as 
> a 3-5 year old bike, the kids are 4 now and the bike has sooo much stretch 
> that he'd really benefit from bars coming back at him. he's doing fine on 
> it he just looks extremely uncomfortable. this is the cleary 16" offering.
>
> while i'm not getting the same bike for my kid, i'm anticipating he'd be 
> stretched out as well. just want something that comes back a bit instead of 
> a straight bar.
>
> what bike are you planning on upgrading to? another woom?
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:28:13 AM UTC-4 John Johnson wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> I have a 3 year old that rides a Woom 2 (and yes, the balance bike is 
>> definitely a great way to learn. He was on his own after a few days of 
>> trying. I used the advice from this video to help him learn:  few 
>> https://www.islabikes.co.uk/blogs/riding-advice/teach-your-child-to-ride
>> ).
>>
>> I would say that for most kids and their "first bikes", an important 
>> factor in mastering how to ride is good bike design. Weight is maybe the 
>> biggest factor (for a 30 lb kid, the Woom which is pretty much the lightest 
>> bike on the market at 11 lb, is 30% of their weight!) but also the bikes' 
>> geometry and Q factor. I have seen other kids on big box store bikes that 
>> weigh almost the same as they do, trying to learn and struggling, and it 
>> doesn't look like much fun. 
>>
>> Using handlebars designed for adult-sized bikes may throw the little 
>> bike's handling off significantly (and the promenades are almost a pound 
>> all by themselves). I would also put forward that the promenade is a swept 
>> back bar, and most kid's bikes are designed around flat bars. He'd likely 
>> be cramped and have a hard time turning the bars (unless you put a long 
>> stem on the bike - more weight - but even then, I think the bars would take 
>> up a lot of space). I mention all of this, because I've thought about the 
>> same thing as you for my kid. I want him on a bike that has the same 
>> aesthetic that I love in bikes... but yeah, between a bike that weighs 11 
>> lbs rather than a bike that looks pretty cool but weighs closer to 18 lbs 
>> (Veloretti kids bikes, for example) - I'll take the trade off that my kid 
>> enjoys riding and takes pride in mastering something. He's 3 years and a 
>> few months and is already riding very independently (we did 10 km to a 
>> local watering hole last week) - that's what's been the most important 
>> thing for me. I'd also say that comfort (swept back vs. flat bars) is less 
>> of an issue for a young rider doing a few km at most.
>>
>> I'd say when you get to 5-8 year old bike sizes, you might be able to Riv 
>> it out a bit more.
>>
>> best of luck either way and cheers,
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:40:48 AM UTC+2 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> These have been on Cr

[RBW] Ride Report // Île d'Oléron

[John Johnson]

Hello everyone,

I'm posting a ride report. It's my first and I hope this meets your 
rigorous group standards for what a "ride" consists of. For me, a ride is a 
ride - short or long, intense or easy, fast or party pace. 

Most of my rides these days are with my family (wife and 3 year old son). I 
am reporting on our week of rides vacationing on the Island of Oléron, of 
the coast of France (we live inland near Fontainebleau, so Oléron is only a 
few hours' drive away). Oléron is the second largest Island (after Corsica) 
in Metropolitan France. It's got a fairly mild climate in winter and summer 
and the main industries (if you want to call them that) are oyster farming, 
salt production, and wine growing. So, if you like quiet beaches, bikes, 
white wine, and oysters, it's not the worst place to spend your vacation. 

We took our 2 Clems, a Burley Bee trailer, and our kid's bike on the bike 
of the car and drive the 4 and half hours to get to the island, sitting in 
traffic to get across the bridge until we finally made it to a small BnB in 
the village of Dolus. We then parked the car and didn't touch it for the 
rest of the week. All our trips around the island were by bike and it is 
almost a perfect island for bike exploring on bike paths or dedicated bike 
lanes (there's only a few places we found where you can't avoid going onto 
a big main road with not shoulder). There are over 130 km of dedicated bike 
paths on the 30x8km island.

The weather was less than stellar the first day we arrived - it was raining 
most of the drive to the island, and though the rain had stopped, it was 
cold and dreary the first day. That first evening we rode down to La 
Chevalerie for an "Oyster festival" though, I think it was just an ad hoc 
restaurant that one of the oyster farms set up for people vacationing on 
the island. Either way, I had the best oysters I've ever had, really great 
moules frites (which, we probably ate at least once a day while we were 
there), and decent bottle of local Pineau. We shivered a bit sitting 
outside with our meal, but once we were back on our bikes and riding 
through the cold night air, it was extremely pleasant riding weather. 

The rest of the week , it was warm, sunny and yeah, more/less perfect for 
riding and swimming.

Our rides consisted mostly of riding la Cotinière or St. Pierre d'Oléron a 
few km away, or a slightly longer ride to St. Trojan les Bains in the south 
(to ride the famous little train that's there) or go see Fort Boyard from 
Boyardville. The routes to St Trojan or Boyardville go through tons of 
oyster-beds, and it's nice rustic scenery to ride through. The island is 
almost perfectly flat, so there's not much elevation to speak of - most of 
our rides were meandering around, stopping to look at horses, take photos, 
or check google maps again because we had gotten off track. Most of the 
bike routes are gravel or paved, but a few of them went through small 
forest tracks and we found ourselves in a bit of mud the first couple 
nights riding back in the dark after dinner (Google maps has some fun ideas 
about bike routes - definitely can take you off the beaten path, sometimes 
right into someone's garden, but always an adventure. After a few er, um... 
mistakes, we starting paying better attention to the bike path signs and 
stuck to them a bit more closely). 

Our pace was probably around 20 km/hour on average, not fast riding for 
sure, but definitely taking in the scenery. And with a kid on board, the 
joy is exploring, rather than fast riding anyway. He kept up his own 
though, riding a few kilometers here and there when we were in dedicated 
bike paths and getting in the trailer or the child seat for the longer 
rides. And Oléron proved to be ruggedly beautiful, blue-collar, calm, with 
lots to explore: everything you'd want in a family vacation by bike. 

Anyway, that's my "ride report". And here are a few photos.

cheers,

John

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Nitto Promenade Bar

[John Johnson]

Hi Michael,

I have a 3 year old that rides a Woom 2 (and yes, the balance bike is 
definitely a great way to learn. He was on his own after a few days of 
trying. I used the advice from this video to help him learn:  
few https://www.islabikes.co.uk/blogs/riding-advice/teach-your-child-to-ride).

I would say that for most kids and their "first bikes", an important factor 
in mastering how to ride is good bike design. Weight is maybe the biggest 
factor (for a 30 lb kid, the Woom which is pretty much the lightest bike on 
the market at 11 lb, is 30% of their weight!) but also the bikes' geometry 
and Q factor. I have seen other kids on big box store bikes that weigh 
almost the same as they do, trying to learn and struggling, and it doesn't 
look like much fun. 

Using handlebars designed for adult-sized bikes may throw the little bike's 
handling off significantly (and the promenades are almost a pound all by 
themselves). I would also put forward that the promenade is a swept back 
bar, and most kid's bikes are designed around flat bars. He'd likely be 
cramped and have a hard time turning the bars (unless you put a long stem 
on the bike - more weight - but even then, I think the bars would take up a 
lot of space). I mention all of this, because I've thought about the same 
thing as you for my kid. I want him on a bike that has the same aesthetic 
that I love in bikes... but yeah, between a bike that weighs 11 lbs rather 
than a bike that looks pretty cool but weighs closer to 18 lbs (Veloretti 
kids bikes, for example) - I'll take the trade off that my kid enjoys 
riding and takes pride in mastering something. He's 3 years and a few 
months and is already riding very independently (we did 10 km to a local 
watering hole last week) - that's what's been the most important thing for 
me. I'd also say that comfort (swept back vs. flat bars) is less of an 
issue for a young rider doing a few km at most.

I'd say when you get to 5-8 year old bike sizes, you might be able to Riv 
it out a bit more.

best of luck either way and cheers,

John



On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:40:48 AM UTC+2 Matthew Williams wrote:

> These have been on CraigsList for a while:
>
> [image: 00J0J_eiwKm7570xu_0t20t2_600x450.jpg]
>
> Nitto Choco Handlebar B357AAF - bicycle parts - by owner - bike sale 
> 
> losangeles.craigslist.org 
> 
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2023, at 3:50 PM, Michael Baquerizo  wrote:
>
> or maybe just to talk about it?
>
> my son is due to upgrade from a balance bike to a pedal bike and because 
> i'm me I want to switch things up a bit on whatever frame I end up buying 
> him. I was intrigued that the bosco is just a bigger promenade bar so was 
> wondering if anyone has experience with it and if it might be too much for 
> a 4 year old. 
>
> and if its cheap enough (they're already one of the cheaper nitto 
> offerings) i'd love to take a pair of someones hands.
>
> thoughts?
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rosco Mtn mixte x Crust cargo x kid bike

[John Johnson]

This is a grail of a bike for a lot of people! Not my size but what a 
smoking deal. This will make someone very happy.

Cheers, 

John

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:18:48 PM UTC+2 Drw wrote:

> Well, it is a sad day, but the time has come to let go of my 2018 Rosco 
> Bubbe Mountain "Mixte" as it was called. I bought this to carry my kid 
> around and he is now too heavy for the seat. For those unfamiliar, this was 
> built around a Joe Appaloosa fork and is more or less equivalent to a Clem 
> L, but not as long . It is a 55cm and 650b. This is a really fun bike. 
> Without a child on the back, it is a zippy little cargo bike. With a kid 
> and a fully loaded front, it's like a truck. I've carried so much with 
> this. Excellent condition. 
> PHOTOS HERE 
> 
>
> I can see 4 ways of selling it
>
> *1-Complete- $1700. *You'd get a fully built bike with the cargo fork 
> installed plus original fork/front wheel/tire etc. it would not be possible 
> to ship it this way, so you would need to pick up in Los Angeles.  Pricing 
> this option lower because it would be significantly easier on me. If you 
> want a deal on the Thule Yepp child seat/rack, we can discuss that as well. 
>
> *2-Original- $1600. *You'd get a fully built rosco (minus a stem) with 
> original fork and 650b wheels and all components listed below.  I could 
> ship at buyer's cost. 
>
> *3- Cargo fork/wheel/disc brake/basket-$400*
>
> *4-Full Part out. *I really don't want to have to do this, but if after a 
> couple of weeks, I have enough people who want the various bits, I could 
> make it happen. 
>
> *Components*
> Nitto handlebars (cant remember the model)
> Microshift 10 speed thumb shifter 
> Shimano Brake levers
> Dimension stem
>
> Avid disc brake
> Deore V brakes
>
> IRD Mjolnir 1x crank with Surly 36t ring
> XT 10 speed rear derailler
> Sunrace giant cassette
>
> 650b Wheels from Riv- Deore hubs, Alex rims, built by Velocity
> WTB horizon tires
> 20" wheel from Bike Friday- Shimano hub
> Big apple tire and a new Tioga powerblock to throw in
>
> Giant Wald basket.
>
> (Saddle, pedals, grips, bottle cages, bell, lights not included)
>
> *Thanks,*
> *Drew in Los Angeles*
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Ride Reports (PNW and France)

[John Johnson]

Thanks for the ride report, Kyle.

I live not far from fontainebleau. The weather the last week or two in July 
was definitely not great. Sorry that was during your trip.

For what it's worth, the Scandiberique route (eurovelo 3) runs right 
through the area and there are some great rides along old canal route 
paths. The portion just south of Fontainebleau (Nemours to 'Bleau) is 
really lovely. 

And open invite to anyone on the forum to look me up if you're ever in the 
region. 

Cheers, 

John
On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:56:21 PM UTC+2 wls...@gmail.com wrote:

> Kyle - Enjoyed the write ups. Keep 'em coming!
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:32:20 PM UTC-4 Dustin wrote:
>
>> Kyle, 
>>
>> Good looking site. Thanks for sharing 
>>
>> Dustin
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Kyle Cotchett  wrote:
>>
>> Hey all!
>>
>>
>> I've been messing around with writing some ride reports on my website 
>> . For the 
>> most part, they are around the Pacific Northwest. My girlfriend and I are 
>> taking significant time off work and moved to Paris for summer/fall. We 
>> brought our bikes with us, and I'll be continuing to write up some rides 
>> here in France! I thought I'd share them here with ya'll to enjoy! Thanks 
>> for reading!
>>
>> -Kyle
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[John Johnson]

Hi Eric,

Here in France you can get the Velo-orange UNO SP-248 (which appears to be 
the Grand Cru and is also somehow maybe a Kalloy UNO - I dunno) for 30 
euros and it also somehow comes in 26.8 and has 30mm of setback.

https://www.alltricks.fr/F-11946-tiges-de-selles/P-2078692-tige_de_selle_veloorange_uno_sp_248_argent?gclid=CjwKCAjw8-OhBhB5EiwADyoY1WPUte5QqJuDCpSqsC1ylroPWaRLl1o-PcTGUhPWyfbwe17K8Mfn6BoCXrYQAvD_BwE

cheers,

john




On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 2:45:51 PM UTC+2 lconley wrote:

> Note that tubing is almost as strong as solid. Removing the material from 
> the center of a solid rod does little to reduce it's strength. The formula 
> to determine the strength includes the distance (maybe squared) from the 
> center of mass of the shape, so material at the center of mass of a circle 
> (which is the center of the circle) contributes almost nothing to the 
> strength - this is why bicycles are made of tubing and not solid rod. This 
> is also why I will remove the material from the inside of the seat tube, 
> but not from the outside of the seat post to make a 27.2 seat post fit a 
> 26.8 seat tube (also the Nitto S-84 lugged seat post is plated on the 
> outside). The exception to this would be to make an alloy Nitto stem fit a 
> French steerer tube - a sanded down Nitto stem is still way, way stronger 
> than an original French stem.
>
> Note that there have been many models of Brooks saddles that use double 
> rails on each side and even some with triple rails - single rails are 
> highly stressed.
> Probably the reason that the double rail Brooks B-72s were popular with 
> the early mountain bikers
> [image: B72side s.jpg]
> Triple Rail brooks saddle, I think it was a B-33
> [image: 144 (2).JPG]
>
> Laing
> Trying to remember the course "Strength of Materials" that I took 40 years 
> ago and owner of many Brooks B-68s and 1 B-72
>
> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 8:14:23 AM UTC-4 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> A clarification:
>>
>> All the metal rails on all the Selle An-Atomicas are steel. The 
>> difference between the T/X/H1 and T/X/H2 leather saddles is that the _1 
>> saddles are unitary, with the steel cantles/nose pieces riveted to the 
>> leather tops. The rails on the _1 series saddles are 4130 steel rod.
>>
>> The _2 series saddles are modular, with the leather tops attached to the 
>> cast aluminum cantle/nose piece with Chicago screws. The idea is that you 
>> can replace subassemblies (top, frame, rails etc) on your own, without 
>> sending the entire saddle to San Diego to replace a worn/failed element 
>> (stretched tops are the most common, but bent rails used to happen a lot; 
>> I've got at least four old SA-As with bent solid rails, from back when the 
>> rails were much longer and they used a softer steel).The rails on the _2 
>> series detach from the cantle and nose pieces; there is an upgrade option 
>> to carbon rails, for weight weenies.
>>
>> What I recently learned, although I must have read it in the description 
>> when I bought it and immediately forgotten about it, is that the standard 
>> steel rails in the _2 series are stainless steel *tubing*, not solid 
>> rods. They way I found this out was when the rail on the H2 on my Trek 720 
>> (saddle purchased new, bike first built up in March 2021, ridden daily 
>> since) snapped through last December. A weight savings, sure; but at what 
>> price? I haven't called up SA-A to yell at them about it yet, but that's 
>> definitely going to happen.
>>
>> In my case, the break was at a relatively low-stress point, between the 
>> clamps on an old-fashioned Campy Nuovo Record two-bolt seatpost.
>>
>> As for rail length, it may depend on the age of the saddles you're 
>> comparing. SA-A has definitely been shortening their saddles since Tom 
>> Milton died (the founder, a famous ultra long distance guy in the Bay Area. 
>> He died of a heart attack during the 2010 Devil Mountain Double, a 200-mile 
>> ride that climbs both Mount Diablo near RivHQ and Mount Hamilton near San 
>> Jose - twice each. Grant wrote up a decent memoriam in the newsletter at 
>> the time; #43 or 44 or thereabouts). Milton was tall and skinny, and the 
>> saddle rails were superlong, so he could get a wide range of adjustment. 
>> Unfortunately for us less-skinny people, he didn't use superstrong steel, 
>> so the rails routinely bent. After he died, the company was in chaos for 
>> about a year. His sister took it over, and moved all the operations down to 
>> San Diego, where she and her kids run everything. The saddles have gotten 
>> shorter; there's no Pinocchio noses like the ones Tom made. But they've 
>> continued to shorten them over the years; I have a 2013 saddle that's 
>> definitely longer than my 2019 saddle, and the 2019 saddle is longer than 
>> my several 2021 saddles.
>>
>> The clampable section of the rails on my aforementioned broken H2 modular 
>> saddle with a January 2021 serial number are definitely shorter than the 

[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[John Johnson]

Seems like most of those categories could be covered by a Clem (or a 
Platypus) with racks if one stretches the definition of "mixte"' and 
"beater". 
Of course there is no right number and we all do this mental gymnastic to 
convince ourselves that we "need" the amount of bikes we have (or +1). 
These conversations help me to know there are others out there with similar 
compulsions as myself. (Full disclosure, a 93 XO-1, a 93 XO-2, an 89 MB-1 
Clydesdale, a Clem L, a Jones SWB spaceframe, a Brompton, & considering 
adding a single speed since I have everything but the frame sitting in my 
parts bin)

And I agree with you, John (I've also spent the better part of the last 10 
years working for an NGO in sub-Saharan Africa and get lots of guilty 
feelings about what luxuries I have - not just bikes, but good shoes & 
clothes, vacation time, expendable income, roads, healthcare, etc...). I 
agree that hoarding isn't necessarily something to glamorize. But there are 
worse things than bikes, and I think the majority of the guys in the group 
are into bikes not just for the kick you get out of riding them, but also 
the fact that it's a fairly healthy and idealistic do-gooder pastime (if 
not totally altruistic, it's at least better than racing monster trucks). 
Bikes won't save the world, but they are a step in the right direction. 

And now I will poke you with the soft cushions!

-john
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 4:42:19 AM UTC+2 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I believe Grant's premise for the article was "how many bicycles do I need 
> to cover all the stuff l can do on bicycles", it wasn't an arbitrary number 
> of bikes I need. Obviously nobody needs more than one, it was a discussion 
> geared towards people reading a bike magazine and having the cash to own 2 
> or 7 or 9. 
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:33:55 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> At the risk of taking this discussion in an unintended direction and 
>> opening a can of worms that, in my mind, has been opened for quite some 
>> time now, I find this question of how many bikes one ‘needs’ to be an 
>> interesting one to consider from a variety of perspectives. (Full 
>> disclosure: there are currently 7 bicycles in my shop- 3 of mine, 2 
>> belonging to my wife, and one is my daughter’s. There are also two very 
>> nice frames). 
>>
>> Considering this question from the perspective of our current resource 
>> crisis - you know, the one in which there are too many humans desiring too 
>> many things that our planet has too few resources to sustain- helps me to 
>> greatly appreciate the bicycles I do ride, but also causes me question if 
>> my ownership of any more than one bike contributes to the imbalance of 
>> desires vs. resources. Anyone else bothered by this?
>>
>> Another perspective through which I look at this question of ‘how many 
>> bikes does one need’ comes from my many years of living in developing 
>> countries in Africa and Asia where the ownership of a single bicycle can 
>> have significant ramifications for a family in terms of economics and 
>> education. In many of these places, that there would be one bicycle for a 
>> family of 7 (or more) would be considered a luxury. And so, to ask myself 
>> how many bicycles I *need *causes me to cringe slightly and immediately 
>> takes my mind down the road of resource distribution and equity.
>>
>> Finally, as an educator, I’ve always made it a point to help my students 
>> understand the difference between *needs* and *desires, *and the 
>> implications of each on our habits of consumption. Of course, in the 
>> context of this group and this particular thread, I’m well aware that we 
>> all agree that we are speaking about our desires rather than our needs, but 
>> still, it’s another perspective from which to come at this question.
>>
>> I’m sure there are other perspectives that might make this consideration 
>> interesting and, of course, remind us all how fortunate we are to own and 
>> ride so many lovely bicycles. 
>>
>> I know, nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition! (Monty Python anybody?)
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:53:28 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> The problem is, there is always justification for another bicycle, like 
>>> the relatively new bikepacking designs (Jones Bikes for example) which also 
>>> do a very good job of displacing conventional touring bikes. Or a foldable 
>>> Brompton, just because. Then there is sentimentality, like my beloved 
>>> Marinoni which  has taken and continues to take me on so many  touring 
>>> adventures, but which I would not be shopping for if looking today as I 
>>> want ever more tire clearance from a frame. Then there is the poor, abused 
>>> commuter which gets ridden so much and so often, it becomes an old friend 
>>> and thus impossible to give up. Then there is the lightweight randonneur 
>>> and the back up randonneur. The back rando doesn't seem to ever get ridden, 
>>> but what if 

[RBW] Re: Bombadil - first ride and work in progress (some photos)

[John Johnson]

Hello Max!

Nice Bombadil and great photos. 

For the bullmoose, I find that ergo grips (ergon or anything with a paddle 
under your palms) help with the position. Maybe worth a try?

Cheers,

John

On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 6:11:20 PM UTC+2 maxcr wrote:

> The weather is turning and I finally "finished" my Bombadil build. It's 
> not quite finished because I'm not 100% sure I'll keep the Bullmoose 
> handlebars - they are very stiff which is great, but the angle isn't ideal 
> for my wrists, we'll see but I think the Jones bar is more comfortable for 
> me. I might also explore a super wide drop from Crust called the Nullabar. 
> I'm also curious about some drivetrain changes, more on that in a future 
> thread.
>
> I acquired the bike in January from a fellow in California who didn't seem 
> to be riding it much. This is how it came:
>
> [image: bomba2.jpg]
>
> I've started feeling more comfortable wrenching on my bikes (thanks Jason 
> for the encouragement!) and did all of the work myself - ordering some 
> parts from Riv, BlueLug and Crust. You've seen some pics over the last 
> couple of months, but I want to officially introduce it in its new 
> iteration. 
>
> Yesterday I went out on a mixed terrain ride, first some pavement before 
> arriving to the Middlesex Fells, a reservation with lots of trails and bike 
> friendly gravel - I started following this route from UrbanDirt 
>  (pretty cool site with 
> hubs in a few cities) but didn't finish it because i had to get back home. 
> They have some really cool Ride-with-GPS routes you can follow, highly 
> recommended.
>
> [image: IMG_9934.jpeg]
>
> After getting to the entrance of the Fells, I started thinking that 
> perhaps this wasn't ideal for my slick tires and fenders. Many of the 
> trails had big rocks and require you to dismount and walk (see below) but I 
> guess that's part of the fun so I kept going.
>
> [image: IMG_9918.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_9923.jpeg]
>
> I walked up the slope and then started riding a winding gravel path with 
> some smaller rocks. There were some wet / muddy patches but overall it was 
> all very enjoyable and the bike handled great.
>
> [image: 4EEC3310-9B05-419E-9A9D-3B2F0A9E8D1D.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_9930.jpeg]
>
> I think the cockpit is ideal for this type of riding, which leaves me 
> wishing the wrist position would be an issue. I'll give it more miles 
> before deciding what to do.
>
> I had to lower the bar quite a bit from my initial position because I 
> wanted to use my Rod Steward (Pec Deck v2) and if I had the bars higher up, 
> it just wouldn't reach. I'll take it off and try with the bars higher. It's 
> also very close to the Paul canti arms, so maybe not the best fit for this 
> build.
>
> [image: IMG_9935.jpeg]
>
> When I stopped following the route and started following my GPS to get 
> home, I ended up going through some areas that weren't very bike friendly - 
> after the photo below. I had to carry the bike up a slope and ended up in a 
> place with huge rocks. Once I crossed I rode a bit more and hit the main 
> road which brought me back home.
>
> [image: IMG_9941.jpeg]
>
> All in all, the bike was amazing throughout the 13.5 mile ride. I feel 
> incredibly lucky to have found this rare 2TT on my size! Can't wait to go 
> out again.
>
> Max near Boston.
>

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Re: [RBW] FS/FT

[John Johnson]

Hello Edward,

When you say the bars go in too much, do you mean you're looking for more 
width? Or something with less backsweep?

I love the Toscos for general riding/bit offroad. But there are a million 
bars out there and whatbars.com is a great resource. 

Otherwise I'll but the pedals if you still have 'em.

I'll send you a PM for that.

Cheers,

John

On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 3:42:31 AM UTC+1 edwardb...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: IMG-7856.jpg]
> [image: IMG-7855.jpg]
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 6:28 PM Edward Garnica  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi ya'll,
>>
>> For sale I have:
>>
>> heat treated Nitto B352AA albatross 
>>
>> 90 + 20/shipping or 85 local pickup in the bay area
>>
>> *MKS* PAMBDA BL special pedal
>>
>> 30 + 5/shipping or 25 local pickup in the bay area
>>
>>
>> **both used for about two months. Pedals have hit some rocks but are in 
>> great condition. 
>>
>> Also if anyone can recommend handlebar replacements?? I really like these 
>> but I feel like they go in a bit more than I'd like and I want something 
>> more stable when going downhill in rough terrain. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day and first ride

[John Johnson]

If it makes you feel any better, the Chocos are narrower than the Albatross 
by 15mm. 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:15:26 PM UTC+1 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Good call on the wheelset- I finally remembered to look. I really like 
> them and wanting to use them on the Platypus, prompted the unRivish black 
> lower half build. 
> Ride update- 5 rides in and really liking the Platypus for our chipseal 
> roads and dirt. First change is swapped on RH Snoqualmie Pass  tires and 
> nicer ride than the Speed Rides. Now wanting a little wider bars than the 
> Albatross. Kicking myself for selling Chocos I had, but that's how some of 
> us roll, isn't it? Going to put on some VO Granola bars I liked on the 
> buena vista. 
> Tom
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-5 cjus...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Correct.  DT Swiss TK 7.1 rims.  The precursor to the TK540.  I have the 
>> same DT240/TK540 combo on one of my Rosco Bubbe's.  Great Wheelset is 
>> really an understatement.
>>
>> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 3:16:11 PM UTC-6 Mr. Ray wrote:
>>
>>> Congratsyour rims look like DT Swiss TK540 (double eyelet) rims with 
>>> the old decals.  The TK540 are really strong rims if wheels were built 
>>> properly.  My set were used for loaded RTW touring for over 20,000 miles 
>>> and were still true when bike was sold.  
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 3:52:45 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,
 I picked a Mermaid Platypus frameset from a very nice local Riv/Crust 
 fan. Thanks Derek!
 Spent a couple of weeks doing a parts bin build. The only things I 
 bought new were 2 chains because Derek has a Clem Jr to build and needed 
 the one from this frame and a tandem length derailler cable. Was able to 
 get the first ride in today and had fit tweaked within a few miles. I am 
 at 
 the bottom of the fit guide for the big 60cm but Will at Riv confirmed I 
 would be OK. I did get to do quick ride before I purchased so confident it 
 would work well and it does. Very nice first ride, smooth, zippy, and 
 quick 
 handling. Already rethinking the tires- only 700x42 Continental speed 
 Rides. Just thinking bigger since my roads are fairly rough chip seal in 
 general, but want to keep fenders. I will do a second post on how large a 
 tire with fenders. Looking forward to tomorrows ride, it will be longer 
 and 
 more hills. Build list is as follows- steel Albatross bars and steel stem, 
 Ergon grips, Tektro V brake and Avid levers, and Microshift 10 speed bar 
 end shifter shifting Deore derailler. Thompson seat post and Specialized 
 body Geometry saddle from 90's. Alfine single ring crankset. Wheels are 
 pretty nice, DT Swiss 240s hubs and not sure which DT Swiss rims. Fenders 
 are Bontrager meant for 26" tires, but fit well. 
 Planning on front rack that will tame the quick handling a bit, but 
 worth the utility. 
 Tom Palmer
 Twin Lake, MI 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: (*)osco bar hand positions

[John Johnson]

I have ridden the Bosco and have 60cm Toscos on my Clem. I didn't love the 
Boscos, too much rise and too narrow. However, I LOVE the Boscos. Favorite 
bars for comfort and long rides (well, maybe a tie with Jones bars, but 
it's a whole different aesthetic). 

I use the circle part you mentioned mostly on long climbs. It's just a 
matter of making sure there is space for your hands (i.e. that the 
shifters, bells, etc. are placed farther forward or somewhere else).

cheers,

john

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 1:03:23 AM UTC+2 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> I have both the Bosco and the Tosco. As others have said, that circled 
> position is a bit too forward. I do use it but only when shifting since my 
> shifters are on the straight part of the bar closer to the stem. Jay 
> Ritchey's grip on the photo posted by brokebike matches more how I grip the 
> bar on a climb and works best when tilting the bar down from horizontal as 
> recommended by Riv. That's usually as forward as I get, and I choose a grip 
> from there through all the way to the bar end, even grabbing around the 
> brake lever. Picture is of left side of the Tosco-moose on my GBW.
>
> --Ed C.
>
> [image: IMG_1938.jpg]
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 9:00:56 AM UTC-7 Kevin wrote:
>
>> Any riders of the Bosco and its myriad offshoots able to comment on how 
>> many/what kind of hand positions are available?
>>
>> Any general comments are welcome, but I am particularly interested in the 
>> circled portion of the bar in the attached photo. Is it usable or is there 
>> just too much rise going on at that section of the bar? Maybe the Losco 
>> differs a bit from the others in this area?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Albatross with Silver Thumbies

[John Johnson]

Hi Ginz,

The nice thing is that if you're using the silver shifters (which are 
friction shifters), if you want to go back to the non-inside mount method, 
all you have to do is switch them!

cheers,

john
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 5:04:37 PM UTC+2 lwt...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Ginz,
> I've run albatross bars bars with the Silver 2s mounted inside and really 
> like it. You end up shifting up with your thumbs and down partially with 
> your finger around on the outside of the bar. Not sure if that explains it 
> very well but I think you'd like it. In fact I'm currently running bar ends 
> and as soon as I get some time I'm going to switch them back. I also run 
> ESI super chunky's and really like the whole set up. 
>
> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 8:53:33 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:
>
>> Like this Ginz ?  I've rode with like this for some 10 years. I can't 
>> speak to those shifters, only the position. Mine are ye ol' Suntour Power 
>> Shifters. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 9:45:14 AM UTC-4 Ginz wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> Does anyone have experience with Silver 1 shifters mounted INSIDE with 
>>> the thumb pods on the Albatross?  
>>>
>>> Yesterday, I think I fell out of love with cork grips on the Albatross.  
>>> Over the years I've used the original channeled cork with Silver bar ends, 
>>> then Misha's, then back to the originals that I channeled myself (which is 
>>> a pain)
>>>
>>> The cork stuff is just so hard! My palms are starting to get sore.  It 
>>> might be time for a change.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking about:
>>> Silver Thumb Pods with the Silver 1s using the INSIDE mount method
>>> ESI Extra Chunky or perhaps Oury Lock-Ons
>>>
>>> I might also try the Wave bar, but I have several other bikes set up 
>>> similarly so... maybe that's just silly or maybe that's just the setup that 
>>> works for me?!
>>>
>>> I've used Microshift thumbs and Suntour XCD mounted on the top of mtb 
>>> bars.  I'm just wondering if my thumbs are strong enough for the Silvers on 
>>> the Albatross mounted inside.  Can my thumbs really pull the lever "up" and 
>>> still find a gear in friction mode? It seems difficult...
>>>
>>> Thanks for any thoughts!
>>>
>>> Ginz
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Clem H curious

[John Johnson]

Hi Eric,

I *believe* they were both 2019 (both were bought that year, but it is
possible that the H was an older model... it was the mustard color, not
sure which year that was).

But I'm also basing my reasoning on bikeinsights geo charts, which show
differences for the same model year.

Cheers,

John

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, 20:01 Eric Daume  wrote:

> John,
>
> Were your bikes the same gen? The Clem got longer in later models, but I
> always thought the L and H had the same geo for the same model years.
>
> Eric
>
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022, John Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I had a Clem H and my wife has the same size Clem L. I noticed right away
>> there were a few differences; the L has a longer top tube, longer front
>> center, and longer wheelbase. The difference in top tube length means bars
>> fit differently, stem lengths will need to be adapted, etc. This is not
>> insignificant. bikeinsights is as always helpful:
>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e234be7c6f2c50017f1e4cc,5e234e0e5c58cd001776de16
>> ,
>>
>> In the end, I was jealous of the extra reach on my wife's Clem L so I
>> sold the H and bought an L.
>>
>> I would say they do ride a bit differently (agreed on the H being a bit
>> stiffer). Both are great bikes, and it just depends on what you're looking
>> for.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 4:12:44 PM UTC+2 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for the thoughts Richard, nice looking bike! I do like the
>>> idea of the step thru on these. Especially for loading it up while pulling
>>> my daughter in the trailer. I don’t have any trouble getting a leg over but
>>> sometimes it could be a benefit.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:59:11 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have an “L” and I do notice the flex when loaded - but only standing
>>>> still or just “pushing off”. Once moving the flex disappears. Of course any
>>>> frame bags you might have are useless on the “L”. So I sold mine & have
>>>> invested in traditional racks & bags. It’s all been worth it though as the
>>>> step through is my favorite feature of the many features I love about this
>>>> bike. Not saying don’t get the “H”, but the “L” is just so nice.
>>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 3, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a smidge of
>>>> flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of weight on it (some
>>>> folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, YRMV). Grab that H,
>>>> it's a good frame!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never ridden a
>>>>> bike like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an all time high
>>>>> for me! I do however find it to be almost too nice!
>>>>>
>>>>> I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to use
>>>>> as my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul more stuff. I
>>>>> found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I was hoping for
>>>>> some opinions about the differences here! From what I can tell, the H just
>>>>> has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems to be about the
>>>>> same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far as parts go than
>>>>> a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will get a decent price
>>>>> bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a huge deal for me.
>>>>> Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[John Johnson]

Hi!

I had a Clem H and my wife has the same size Clem L. I noticed right away 
there were a few differences; the L has a longer top tube, longer front 
center, and longer wheelbase. The difference in top tube length means bars 
fit differently, stem lengths will need to be adapted, etc. This is not 
insignificant. bikeinsights is as always 
helpful: 
https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e234be7c6f2c50017f1e4cc,5e234e0e5c58cd001776de16,

In the end, I was jealous of the extra reach on my wife's Clem L so I sold 
the H and bought an L.

I would say they do ride a bit differently (agreed on the H being a bit 
stiffer). Both are great bikes, and it just depends on what you're looking 
for.

cheers,

John

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 4:12:44 PM UTC+2 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for the thoughts Richard, nice looking bike! I do like the idea 
> of the step thru on these. Especially for loading it up while pulling my 
> daughter in the trailer. I don’t have any trouble getting a leg over but 
> sometimes it could be a benefit.
>
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:59:11 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have an “L” and I do notice the flex when loaded - but only standing 
>> still or just “pushing off”. Once moving the flex disappears. Of course any 
>> frame bags you might have are useless on the “L”. So I sold mine & have 
>> invested in traditional racks & bags. It’s all been worth it though as the 
>> step through is my favorite feature of the many features I love about this 
>> bike. Not saying don’t get the “H”, but the “L” is just so nice.
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a smidge of 
>> flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of weight on it (some 
>> folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, YRMV). Grab that H, 
>> it's a good frame! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never ridden a 
>>> bike like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an all time high 
>>> for me! I do however find it to be almost too nice! 
>>>
>>> I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to use as 
>>> my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul more stuff. I 
>>> found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I was hoping for 
>>> some opinions about the differences here! From what I can tell, the H just 
>>> has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems to be about the 
>>> same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far as parts go than 
>>> a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will get a decent price 
>>> bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a huge deal for me. 
>>> Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Susie v. Clem Help Me Off The Fence

[John Johnson]

The Clem L is an excellent bike for all around riding. I ride it on trails, 
on roads, and light "mountain biking". The Susie (which I've never tried), 
looks like a more offroad mountain bike, and if you're doing more of that, 
maybe the Susie is your thing. But if you're looking for an all rounder, 
get the Clem and use the leftover 800 bucks or so to make a killer build. 

On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 4:29:12 PM UTC+1 Kiley Demond wrote:

> I am so late to this party What pray tell is a "Gallop"? I clicked on 
> the link and am very curious. Yes, it is partly because it is a spectacular 
> shade of orange; I am every bit a girl (Like Leah and Raspberry Sparkle) 
> and when it comes to orange... And it is a mixte. 
>
> Pointing me to links that discuss this new beast (with the best name in a 
> long time), I would be grateful. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 2:36:15 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> @Doug H, I posted the Protogallop in this thread
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/j5vUNKjgsUE/m/rD97QHpSCQAJ
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 2:48:39 PM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 45cm Clem L (2017 with 26 x 2.1 tires, SunRingle RhynoLite 
>>> rims) and a Small Gus (2020 with 27.5 x 2.4, Cliffhanger rims) so caveat my 
>>> experiences as a shorter (78cm PBH) and a "stouter" (220 lbs) rider than 
>>> you. Also, I think I'm supposed to be on a 52cm Clem so there's a slight 
>>> apples-to-oranges effect in the comparison.
>>>
>>> I set up the Gus as a trail bike, with a large handlebar bag and a large 
>>> saddle bag supported by a Mark's rack, both which center the load 
>>> left/right and keeps the weight between the axles. I run the 
>>> super-wide-swept back Tosco Bullmoose-style bars. Set up this way I find it 
>>> capable and comfortable on our rocky, loose-over-hardpack trails in SoCal 
>>> as long as the trail is not overly technical. I have the Clem set up as a 
>>> flat bar urban commuter (I'm using a Jones loop) with fenders, a front 
>>> basket, and large Nitto rear rack. The Clem L handles "like a Riv," takes 
>>> to loads well, and always feels solid.
>>>
>>> I tried the Gus as a pavement commuter and ... nope. I didn't like how 
>>> it steered with a load in a front basket, and too soft a front tire leads 
>>> self steering on pavement. I like to run a single heavy pannier when 
>>> commuting, and the Gus really didn't like that offset load. (The Clem isn't 
>>> bothered by the same load.) The Gus is so much bigger in every dimension 
>>> than the Clem L so, as others have pointed out, it's harder to live with in 
>>> the city. I haven't tried the Clem L on dirt but I suspect it would perform 
>>> competently on groomed dirt paths and maybe some single track when set up 
>>> with a swept back Bosco, bag-and-racks, no fenders, and wider tires.
>>>
>>> That said, I've tried a few setups on the Clem L and have always 
>>> preferred the way the Gus rides over it (which granted may be due to the 
>>> sizing difference.) Forced between the two, I'd keep the Gus and live with 
>>> its shortcomings as a city bike and pavement commuter - I just like the 
>>> "rigid steel trail bike" ride which the Gus provides.
>>>
>>> --Ed C.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 1:08:51 PM UTC-8 Kiley Demond wrote:
>>>
 This has probably been hashed over numerous times so at the risk of 
 making some of you go "arg!"...

 What are the differences of note between Clem L. and Susie W.? 

- Handling (stability, nimbleness)
- Wieldy-ness (overall size, weight, etc.)
- Suitability for electrifying at a future date
- Any other thoughts, whether experiential or theoretical

 The person asking is 5'10" 140lbs with a pbh of 91. I had a 60cm 
 Cheviot which I loved but sold several years ago when financial issues 
 overrode having such a fancy ride. I would prefer to buy a frame only and 
 do the build myself. I was gutted when I saw that an orange Susie W. frame 
 was listed (and sold); I wasn't paying sufficient attention. I "won" the 
 right-to-purchase lottery for a Clem but couldn't do it because they were 
 sold as complete and I hadn't done my due diligence on Susie Ws.

 Thank you for your collective insights and wisdom!

>>>

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[RBW] Re: And the winner of best handlebar is....

[John Johnson]

For me, depends on what kind of riding you do. I have/have had noodles, 
moustache, bullmoose, albatross, and albastache (all riv models - though I 
stopped using the noodles and moustaches because they felt a bit too 
compact after a while). I love the albatrosses for cruising around and some 
light trail riding. The bullmooses obvs for offroading. For road and long 
distance (and some trails), the albastache are a great all around choice. 
They're comfortable, the brakes are on the right spot, and you've got 
plenty of hand placement choices. 

john

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 4:53:17 AM UTC+2 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> I love my Choco bars. Perfect for me because it just is.
>
> Hugh
>
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 6:42:42 PM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I love my Choco bar and I'll say it's the best for me right now...but I'm 
>> going through the "should I try drops" phase of my life. I spend more than 
>> half my saddle time with my hands like so...
>> [image: atlhandpos.jpg]
>> Anyone who wants to talk me out of (or into?) drops, I'm all ears.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 8:28:14 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> The only thing I could see would improve on the albastache is if it 
>>> tapered in a way that would allow either road levers (like it uses now) and 
>>> the bends and mountain levers on the ends allowing the user to decide what 
>>> setup they wanted. I saw a moustache variant that was made that way. I 
>>> would stick with the road levers but it would be interesting to have 
>>> options.
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:10:53 PM UTC-4 Paul G wrote:
>>>
 I'm primarily a road rider on a Roadeo. I started with a Dream Bar, 
 switched to a Mark's Bar, then a Noodle. Then I tried a Compass Maes 
 Parallel. Now I'm back to the Noodle and have determined it's the best for 
 me for now. #teamnoodle

 On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 5:56:18 PM UTC-7 bdcamp...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Agreed. #teamnoodle
>
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:49:18 PM UTC-4 mrb wrote:
>
>> The 'stache is nice but NOODLE IS BEST!
>>
>> #teamnoodle
>>
>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:34:33 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:
>>
>>> Agree. I have Albastache bars on my new Riv-ish Custom, and they're 
>>> really good. I had Moustache bars and then Noodles on my actual Riv 
>>> custom 
>>> over the past 22 years, and think these are the right bars for at least 
>>> the 
>>> next decade. 
>>>
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>>
>>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kTnjBCS/0/L/i-kTnjBCS-L.jpg
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Gus Boots Forks Garage Sale - Ideas?

[John Johnson]

Hello all,

I've seen the Gus forks up on the Riv site garage sale section. I'm curious 
if anyone has any ideas for a good frame that these could be used with. The 
399 axle to crown is pretty short for a 27.5 frame, and even short for a 
lot of 1 1/8 inch 26" frames. 

Any creative thoughts on a good frame that would work without throwing off 
the bike's geometry?

thanks in advance!

John

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[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?

[John Johnson]

I totally agree with Leah; dudes should ride bikes with girl names too!
At the same time...Clem is short for Clémence, Clementine, or Clément. I do 
have several friends named Clementine that go by "Clem" (I live in France, 
Clementine is a common name here).

la bise,

john

On Thursday, November 21, 2019 at 4:32:57 PM UTC+1 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Almost always a Riv frame purchase comes with a headset, so make sure they 
> know you have one already.  If a headset is included, they may offer to 
> give it to you separately uninstalled for future use, or maybe they'd do a 
> gentleman's buy-back for you, and allow you to grab something else you 
> need.  
>
> Congrats!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, November 21, 2019 at 7:29:33 AM UTC-8, lconley wrote:
>>
>> I am triple digits beyond the weight limit, so I went with the Gus. The 
>> big question for me was the frame size. I am 6' and 83 PBH so I could have 
>> gone M or L. I would usually have gone L because of my long torso, but I 
>> wanted to keep as much clearance to the TT as possible so I went M, I also 
>> wanted 650B x 2.8.
>>
>> I have been buying parts in anticipation of the Gus for a while. I have a 
>> Crust LD stem and 1-1/8 IRD roller bearing headset for the threadless 
>> forks, as well as Jones bars. It will be 1X gearing with a White Ind. 
>> crank. 48 spoke Cliffhangers.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] FS: 64cm Atlantis

[John Johnson]

Is your bike still available?  If yes, what year did you purchase it new?

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[RBW] Re: What size Hunq

[John Johnson]

Thx Doug.  Can you post a pic of your bike?

On Monday, October 1, 2012 11:02:38 PM UTC-4, Doug Magney wrote:

 My PBH is somewhere between 91.5 and 92.  My 62 Hunq has a mid TT height 
 of 90 cm with 700 x 47 Schwalbe Marathons.  I debated whether to go with a 
 58 or a 62, like you are. Very glad I went bigger. Don't forget that PBH is 
 measured in bare feet and you ride with some kind of shoes on, usually 
 adding about 2.5 cm to your available TT clearance.

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[RBW] Re: What size Hunq

[John Johnson]

Thanks all.  Gary, I'd love to see a pic of your 58cm.  Many thx again.

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:56:51 AM UTC-4, John Johnson wrote:

 I need some advice/help on the right size Hunq to order. I'm 6'1 and have 
 a 91cm PBH.  I also plan on running a Albatross bar.  According to the Riv 
 website, I'd be on a 58cm, but I've been advised to get a 62cm, which 
 sounds large.  Many thanks.

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[RBW] What size Hunq

[John Johnson]

I need some advice/help on the right size Hunq to order. I'm 6'1 and have 
a 91cm PBH.  I also plan on running a Albatross bar.  According to the Riv 
website, I'd be on a 58cm, but I've been advised to get a 62cm, which 
sounds large.  Many thanks.

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