CSVit C increases iron uptake
Hi John, group, I have read that Vit C increases iron uptake and you know excess iron could be a problem. Did some of you taking vit C had increased iron in blood tests ? Is liposomal C better in this sense ? Simeon - Ferratum - бърз заем онлайн! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNon Soy Lecithin
Hi Annie, be careful that you don't go to canola based non-soy lecithin. that would be worse i think. Sunflower based should be OK. Also nonGM soy source lecithin should be ok OK, tony On 24 Jan 2010 at 1:43, Annie B Smythe wrote about : Subject : CSNon Soy Lecithin Ok y'all I've been looking for Non Soy Lecithin, and I found one manufacturer that makes it from Egg Yolks. I reckon people allergic to eggs are just outta luck. You'd think they could get lecithin out of something besides Soybeans and/or eggs. And I can only find this in capsules. One website I looked at had it in the powder form but the amount you have to purchase as a minimum is ridiculous. S This is the lowest price I could find out of all the sites that sell this egg yolk derived Lecithin. If anyone knows where it can be had in powder by the pound I'd sure like to know. http://www.swansonvitamins.com/NTP015/ItemDetail?SourceCode=INTL085 Or if one of our resident engineers; can figure out a way for us to make our own egg yolk derived lecithin that would be absolutely terrific. Annie -- Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe,
At 12:17 PM 1/23/2010 -0500, you wrote: You need to open your eyes, too, ode. You're not aware of what's happening onlky namecalling. How small is that? John You don't know our years long history ..We've had some communications about this and other things over the yearsBIBLE thumping liar and weasel Barwick quotes scripture when he gets cornered, says *I'm running a BUSINESS here and you're just small fryI spend hundreds of thousands on advertising*like that justifies everything and I give a hoot about getting big, never actually HELPED a competitor, or just because a LOT of people get ripped off believing his bullsh*t, it's all just fine. [At the time, he was selling his stuff for $400+ and making impossible claims about what it did ] Ya know.. if he was actually honest, he'd not have to spend a dime on advertising. Word of mouth is a bit slower, but is far more powerful in the long run. Barwick emailed me directly in an email spam campaign. Had he not, I'd not have bothered with him..[again]...I'm actually surprised that he responded. But not surprised at how. An unequivocal statement Colloidal silver has indeed been banned throughout Europe. ...then buried in a 3 part text, a denial of making that statement. But why would I even bother to read all that crap when sources *In the UK* say the original statement isn't true? [It's not that I can't read..I DIDN'T read past the screamers, having checked out the original statement before getting the spam and knowing beforehand there wasn't anything there worth reading ] ..and also having had words with that turkey in the past...actually nice helpful ones..an offer to help him make his ad copy make some sort of sense so he didn't look like an idiot to anyone with any sort of scientific acumen.. turned rotten with a venomous stream of sociopathic god-speak in reply. ..which makes it clear that his ad copy was **intentionally** conflicted confusing carefully crafted misleading nonsense... a Phishing expedition to intentionally select the gullible and intellectually defenseless. [It's not that he can't write nonsense as well as any slime lawyer ] My ex brother in law used to brag about making a fortune selling very expensive Encyclopedias to illiterate people that could barely afford to eat...so yea, a bit of a raw nerve there concerning con men and professing Christians doing business using religion as a base ball bat to beat down any protest from a burned believer. BTW My Bro in Law later turned himself into a Morman married the daughter of one of the elders and moved to Boise ...good luck Mormans. [Mind your pockets, there be a shark swimming around in the lint. ] Ode [The SPAM] Hi, Steve Barwick here, for http://www.TheSilverEdge.comwww.TheSilverEdge.com... Colloidal silver has indeed been banned throughout Europe. Ive verified it through my contacts in Europe, which include Europes most respected health freedom organization, the ANH. ... From: odecoyote [The reply] Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:13 AM To: Steve Barwick Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver Banned Throughout Europe, Part II My sources in the UK say that CS is still being sold there and that only the labeling requirements have changed. It can no longer be sold as a Supplement and is now sold under the more accurate heading of disinfectant, like in Australia for the past many years. But thanks for the dis-information and the sales pitch. ken At 04:53 PM 1/17/2010 -0800, you wrote: [the response] I said it has been banned as a food supplement, ken, and it has. No disinformation. You just have to be able to read above a third grade level. Steve Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:33:08 -0500 [..you turkey.] To: Steve Barwick stevebarw...@sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: Colloidal Silver Banned Throughout Europe, Part II Sales speak that requires such close inspection is clearly intentional deception in the context of the intentional fear triggers.manipulator. Truth intended to be understood doesn't require lawyers to figure it out OR careful reading. An honest person doesn't need fine print. Slick salesman...the second worst sort of liar. Colloidal silver has indeed been banned throughout Europe. is a LEAD.. to a mis-lead...'Bait and Switch no way around it, con man. Clearly Stated in a non manipulative manner: Europe has changed the labeling requirements for the sale of CS from being sold as a supplement It is still being sold in stores. Anything less clear is intentional dis-info... jackass. and you KNOW it. It's tough enough to be intentionally clear without using liars language to be intentionally opaque with meanings and mis-communicate on purpose ..now thump your bible at me. [He didn't, **this** time..no further communication.] The worst of all liars. ken At 03:13 AM 1/17/2010 -0800, you wrote: ..And Ive
Re: Swanson's vitamins, etc, was Re: CSHerniated disc's
Annie: I agree with you. I presume that when folks see lower prices they may think the quality isn't as good. That's a sad rumor... But I've been using Swanson products for years, saving immense amounts of money over other supplement outlets, and especially over retail outlets. And Swanson has, as you said, some great products. What a fantastic catalog (usually 144 pages) we receive every month from Swanson - and often with two for the price of one sales. And you can count on very fresh products because they turn over product so quickly. Nothing sits on a shelf for over a year and gets stale. And they ship very quickly. Lee Swanson sends well meaning, updated research at least once a month. I may not agree with some of it, but at least he sends it. And I love the way he travels looking for and bringing back excellent new health products from different places in the world. Reminds me a little of Dr. David G. Williams, the wonderful Chiropractor, who travels the outback world seeking healthy remedies from tribes, etc., for various health concerns. And last, but not least, they've been in business for about 40 years. That's a testimony unto itself. Annie, I see you also have a knowledgeable mind of your own (thank God...) with your I don't have to depend on he said, she said, they said. I, too, am extremely opinionated, walking the walk and talking the talk for over 35 proud years, doing my own testing with supplements like you. And I cross reference all alternative health information - at least twice and usually more. And some of my opinions and knowledge gets me into a lot of trouble - which I really don't mind. I will not be brainwashed just because everyone in a particular group has a particular opinion or thinks that's the way it is - when I know differently. Stand and be counted. Question with boldness - as the political entertainer Glenn Beck reminds folks. Now if Beck only knew a lot more about real health, he wouldn't suffer the ailments and colds he suffers - poor fella'. Ha.. Ha. Keep on Keepin' on, Annie. John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.comwrote: Dunno where you heard that Swanson doesn't have good quality. I use a whole bunch of Swanson's products, and I have never had a complaint with their quality or effectiveness. Swanson has passed all the lab tests done by Consumer Labs(an independent supplement testing lab) for purity and having what is stated on the label in the amounts stated, and digestibility, and all the other tests done, including lead content. Some of the higher priced name brands have failed those tests. So high price does not = quality. I can say for a fact from using Swanson products that Swanson products are a very good to excellent quality, I don't have to depend on he said, she said, they said. If a supplement maker produces a product that is inferior or ineffective, and I give supps at least a three month trial before I call it quits, I don't waste my money on their products, and I could care less whose name is pasted on the label. That being said, I also use products from Mountain Rose Herbs, 1Fast400, and I'm going to purchase some things from some other places that have been recommended to me with decent prices to check their quality as well. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh sol wrote: At 07:39 AM 1/23/2010, you wrote: Yes they are good but I have heard the quality of their products aren't! Donna ACS In comparing with prices with iherb, it appears to me, Swanson's prices are better - for the most part. John I have had no trouble with any Swanson brand product. It is true that at ConsumerLab, various products have tested poorly (lead contamination, not containing stated amount of active ingredients, and other problems) but I have seen one or two products from nearly every brand fail testing at some point. Even the premium brands like Life Extension and others. Because a product or brand is low priced is no guarantee of poor quality and being very high priced does not guarantee high quality either. Swanson ships relatively quickly too. We also have had good luck with Puritan's Pride products, but many of their own brand items contain inactive ingredients to which I am allergic, so what I can use from them is more limited. I have also gotten some good things from VitaCost some very good buys in their NSI brand with the exact formula of higher priced brands. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe,Challenge Steve
..and some people get so focused on one threat, they never see the threat that deceptively points it out with a great deal of exaggeration and double talk. Ode At 12:32 PM 1/23/2010 -0500, you wrote: Read his blogs. Read. Calm down - what a joke. So many on this silverlist are such know-it-alls - yeah, right... John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Deborah Gerard mailto:devorah...@yahoo.comdevorah...@yahoo.com wrote: calm down John I have not read anything that has been posted that show any specific person has contacted Steve and have gotten a reply from him. From: John E. Stevens mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.comjonellis.steven...@gmail.com To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 12:13:50 PM Subject: Re: CSFwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe,Challenge Steve You are reading it... It's time to wake up... John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Deborah Gerard mailto:devorah...@yahoo.comdevorah...@yahoo.com wrote: Has anyone from this list conctacted Steve and challenged him? I would be very interested to read what he says, Debbie From: Ode Coyote mailto:odecoy...@windstream.netodecoy...@windstream.net To: mailto:silver-l...@eskimo..comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 10:31:15 AM Subject: Re: CSFwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe, It's a Steven Barwick hoax to sell his generators through intentional assumptive trickery...the weasel.. Ode At 08:57 AM 1/21/2010 -0600, you wrote: This European ban has been found to be a internet hoax. Some regulations were added to labeling, but that is all. doug -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orghttp://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down List maintainer: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.commdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake
hi, Simeon: I give blood every 56 days. The Red Cross always test my iron levels which are usually around 10 - 12, normal they say. I enjoy giving blood because it not only helps the Red Cross and many people, but it gets any excess iron out of my system and gets my spleen working making new blood. A couple days after I give blood I have a new and fresh abundance of energy which I attribute to the fresh, new blood. Imagine how wonderful creating a fresh new pint supply of blood every 56 days is.In 35 years of taking immense amounts of vitamin C, I've never had any problems with iron. It only takes me a little over 5 minutes to give a pint of blood - which is a very quick time - especially for an old-timer like me. Most folks, even young folks, take 8 - 12 minutes to give a pint of blood. What does that mean? My arteries and veins are clean and my blood flows very well. Vit C also helps to clean your veins and arteries out, but I also use chlorella, zeolite, pectasol and EDTA to clean my circulatory system (Vit E, CoQ10, resveratrol, L-Lyceine, too). I deem they're all important. Chlorine is dangerous to the circulatory system, too. I haven't drunk tap water in many, many years. There's a deep in the ground, free flowing spring a short ways down my road where I draw my water and store in GLASS - not plastic... Ha... It's the water I drink and cook in. I also put a chlorine filter in my shower so I don't inhale any chlorine steam. Chlorine puts little scratches inside your veins and arteries which cholesterol patches like a band-aid and after years and years of cholesterol patches, folks wonder why their veins and arteries plug-up. Hmmmnnn. Other bad food sources help the plug-up, too. Fairly obvious, isn't it? In my last message to you, I was going to mention additional supplements I take - MSM, hyaloronic acid, Magnesium, glucosamine *without* chondroitinn, natto, probiotics, NAC, prostate support, ginko, and there are others I'll mention later. I've been taking supplements for over 35 years and I've added and subtracted as new info came along. 2010/1/24 muk...@mail.bg Hi John, group, I have read that Vit C increases iron uptake and you know excess iron could be a problem. Did some of you taking vit C had increased iron in blood tests ? Is liposomal C better in this sense ? Simeon - Ferratum - бърз заем онлайн! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Re: CSarticle, Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
To clear that up a bit: ANY sort of silver can cause Argyria if enough of it is retained It's just that with a normal elimination rate and the maximum concentration of properly made Ionic Silver being at about 25-30 PPM , retaining that much would take longer than a lifetime..or, that much water would make your life very short and your body would turn blue...but not from silver. ..and an *abnormal* elimination system is EXTREMELY rare. [But it may be possible to marginalize a normal system by overloading it with other metals that share the same system...like copper in drinking water ] Research papers linked to from Rosemary Jacobs site [the blue lady..the links are gone now, so I can't find the exact paper and can only summarize ] indicated that when purposefully trying to make animals blue in order to study the condition, they failed to do so even when using repeated injections of mega doses of silver compounds at thousands of PPMs and went to the Silver Industry for information...in utter frustration. What was found was, that even in situations where exposure to a LOT of silver was 8 hours a day, 5 days a week for decades, the Argyria rate was one in 2,000 workers...and... the industry had a lower absentee rate for colds and flu than any other industry. Taken as an average sample of an overall population of 300 millionwhat is the total number at risk, and how many of them use Silver in any form, at any concentration, in any amount? At WORST case, it would seem there only 5 or 10 cases out of several hundred thousand instances of ignorance and excess. It's not that 400 PPM MSP... WILL turn you blue, it's that it can turn you blue.. IF.. you are one of those rare people. But that much silver at 20 PPM and under..the water would kill you first, *even if * you were one of those rare people and it wasn't Ionic. But, MSP has that protein coating and it takes a [rumored ? ] 50 times as much silver to do the same job. Not to mention some little bit of logic: [Well, OK, I did] A particle so large that it can't get in...needn't get out. And unless it got bigger inside, if it got in, it can also get out. [Phalen and Morrow 1973] Dogs excreted approximately 90% of an inhaled dose of metallic silver particles [finely ground dust...meaning comparatively HUGE particles and a lot of them] in the feces within 30 days of exposure. **Normal** elimination rate for oral doses is 94% to 99% in 24 hours [US EPA 1985, Newton and Holmes 1966 and 1980].regardless of the form of silver, although Ionic might be faster and primarily in the urine vs the feces, as Roger Altman related a while back. BTW Copper is a potent nerve toxicant and far more common in the environment than silver...almost as common as Aluminum. Both Copper and Silver have an affinity for damaged nerve tissues and are used as diagnostic tools [cupro/silver staining], not that those metals caused the damage, but that is drawn to there and may lead to an assumption. While it takes very little of too much Copper to damage the nerves, it takes a LOT of Silver. One key transporter for both is Selenium...which is NOT common in the environment and is itself deadly toxic if you get too much. Ode At 05:43 PM 1/23/2010 +, you wrote: Most people on this list have been taking CS for years and years with nothing but good results Joanne. I am a newbie and have been taking it for five years. Correctly made CS (NOT silver salts or mild silver protein) but ionic plus colloidal silver has never been found to be toxic. Argyria is caused by the ingestion of silver salts or MSP and even that (which causes the blue colour) is not toxic only aesthetically displeasing. We all give it to our dogs, cats, bunnies, birds etc., with no ill effects, only good ones. dee On 22 Jan 2010, at 20:31, mailto:oasisgr...@aol.comoasisgr...@aol.com wrote: I understand, Now I am wondering if I should treat my mare with this or not ? I read an article referencing that Blue Man and his issues and experiences ... someone please speak up. JoAnne I -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Folks, I, too, have been a big fan of Tropical Traditions coconut oil. Another one I have found to be equally good or at least extremely close in all respects is Nutiva brand: www.nutiva.com If you can get cheaper shipping on this product for some reason, I would recommend it too! Peter - Original Message - From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:10 AM Subject: Re: CSCS Good supplement site Hi Dee, You could try the indian foods (ingredients) shop. Also haunt the soap makers suppliers. OK, tony On 23 Jan 2010 at 19:14, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote about : Subject : Re: CSCS Good supplement site thanks jim, I like TT for coconut oil too but unfortunately, it is too expensive to get here in the UK. I wonder what the postage for supplements from the co-op would be to here. iHerb is really reasonable but not as cheap for the supplements as the co-op although still cheap. dee On 23 Jan 2010, at 18:38, Acmeair wrote: i've been a member since the co-op was formed, and am very happy with their products. and tropical traditions is very good for very good coconut oil. etc. jim Jan 23, 2010 10:21:51 AM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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CSnow ppm sizes
Using the meter won't hurt anything, just be aware that when conditions are different, you need to alter the Eddicated Guesswork some. That also applies to using Auto Off circuity that uses conductivity [like a meter does].. there may be more silver there than normal and not show up and take quite a bit longer to build up Ionic conductivity as more of it is crystallizing at a lower saturation point, if it's cold and cold water itself is considerably less conductive than warm, further adding to the time it takes to add Ionic conductivity on top of the lowered water conductivity. Just the other day I discovered how much difference there can be, when I ran 2 batches in my cold house using water that was the same temperature and they took about 5 times as long as when run in the summer using similar water. [I don't do a lot of heating and cooling ] But all the factors don't add up to 5 times as much *silver* in the water...maybe 5% more? [as a wild guess] Ode At 06:55 PM 1/23/2010 +, you wrote: Thanks Ode. Do you think it will do any good to run the meter on, or is this unnecessary? dee On 23 Jan 2010, at 15:56, Ode Coyote wrote: Ions are in solution and are all that registers on a meter. Cold water has a lower saturation point to maintain a solution..ions go colloidal and don't register on a meter. If those colloidal particles are still very very small, even a laser won't show them as TE. The silver is still there. PPM meters don't measure PPM...and all you have is a good guess under certain conditions based on conductivity Temperature is one of those conditions. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSnow ppm sizes
If that's a TDS meter, the actual PPM of silver water would be more like 20 PPM and that's about as good as it gets and still stay consistent and repeatable considering all the other variations in environment and water quality. ie ...anything over around 20 PPM gets more iffy, the more over that you go. Beyond that you find contaminant reaction thresholds that move around a lot and a VERY iffy barrier at 30. ode At 03:00 PM 1/23/2010 -0600, you wrote: Ode, what is your recommendation for testing your CS? I was told 10 ppm was a good one to stay with on a meter sent by Utopia. Thanks, Leslie - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 12:55 PM Subject: Re: CSperiodontal infected gum disease - now ppm sizes Thanks Ode. Do you think it will do any good to run the meter on, or is this unnecessary? dee On 23 Jan 2010, at 15:56, Ode Coyote wrote: Ions are in solution and are all that registers on a meter. Cold water has a lower saturation point to maintain a solution..ions go colloidal and don't register on a meter. If those colloidal particles are still very very small, even a laser won't show them as TE. The silver is still there. PPM meters don't measure PPM...and all you have is a good guess under certain conditions based on conductivity Temperature is one of those conditions. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNon Soy Lecithin
Here are two sources of non-soy and non-egg lecithin. I have not tried either. http://www.crystallinesolutions.com/home.html www.austradeinc.com Nenah
Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake
John: Do you take any fish oil supplements? I read recently that studies indicate C and E interfere with its apoptotic activities, and that could be an issue if one is taking high-ish doses of fish oil to control cancer. Thanks, TW John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote: = hi, Simeon: I give blood every 56 days. The Red Cross always test my iron levels which are usually around 10 - 12, normal they say. I enjoy giving blood because it not only helps the Red Cross and many people, but it gets any excess iron out of my system and gets my spleen working making new blood. A couple days after I give blood I have a new and fresh abundance of energy which I attribute to the fresh, new blood. Imagine how wonderful creating a fresh new pint supply of blood every 56 days is.In 35 years of taking immense amounts of vitamin C, I've never had any problems with iron. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe,
Microns are a valid measurement scale, but whenever you see a figure with the number 8 in it, it's highly likely that it's a repeat from a place that uses a TEM to measure particle sizes. A TEM must have a dry sample and when Ions don't have water, they aren't ions anymore, but oxidize on exposure to air into Silver Oxide particles...which are much larger than the Ions. Those particles were never in the water...they were CREATED by removing the water. And no microscope that I know of can photograph an Ion. The statement that the TEM is the industry standard for measuring colloidal particles...is true...but not in THIS industry. Further, the WAY the samples are dried can alter the dispersion photos at will, so different samples can look different while before they were dried, they were exactly the same. ..and SQ knows it. [He isn't stupid] SQ makes a very good product at a decent price BTW.it's just the way it's sold made to look special using misleading weasel words and bogus proofs. [endlessly copied and passed around by the innocent ignorant or the purposefully deceptive] Ode At 04:25 PM 1/23/2010 -0700, you wrote: I suspected something was not right when he used microns, 0.8 instead of nanometers to describe his particle size. On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:17 AM, John E. Stevens mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.comjonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote: You need to open your eyes, too, ode. You're not aware of what's happening onlky namecalling. How small is that? John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Ode Coyote mailto:odecoy...@windstream.netodecoy...@windstream.net wrote: It's a Steven Barwick hoax to sell his generators through intentional assumptive trickery...the weasel. Ode At 08:57 AM 1/21/2010 -0600, you wrote: This European ban has been found to be a internet hoax. Some regulations were added to labeling, but that is all. doug -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orghttp://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.commdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbi-polar
The gang is not right in the face of proof...got some? Have you ever tested the tradition yourself? The gang has, many times for many years. Ode At 06:53 PM 1/23/2010 -0500, you wrote: Oh, it's the gang approach - and the whole gang must be right... Grow up... It is best - period... John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick mailto:d...@deetroy.orgd...@deetroy.org wrote: Don't start this again, John, we have just had a big discussion about this and it was established that you and maybe others PREFER to keep your CS in brown bottles but it isn't NECESSARY or best. I might ask you if you can *prove* what you say, as well! I and a myriad others on this list store ours in clear plastic or glass with no problems at all, and have done for many years. dee On 23 Jan 2010, at 10:44, John E. Stevens wrote: Just what proof do you have of that advice, Dee? It's been known for years that dark amber colored glass bottles are the very best to store CSW in. The Freund company has great dark amber glass bottles with plastic tops so they won't rust or corrode. What is best is best - not just make-do... John On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick mailto:d...@deetroy.orgd...@deetroy.org wrote: you don't need brown containers to store it in. dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS
Good points, Annie. Weekly detoxing is very important - in my mind, anyway. I always take a large glass of iced, pure spring water into my Sauna to re-hydrate the toxic liquids I lose in sweating out the poisons. NEVER any alcohol - only pure, delicious Spring water. I've never found myself light headed, but I only sit and listen to music or meditate in my Sauna for a half-hour. And an immediate shower afterwards to wash the poisons off. Ahhh, I love it! John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.comwrote: Sweating has been a tested and true method of detox and purification for thousands of years. It is not a new concept. And for people who don't have money for buying saunas, an old fashioned Native American sweat lodge will accomplish the same thing much cheaper. I believe there are plans and instructions on the web. Build a frame, from wood, pvc, old piping, tree branches, or whatever, and cover it with layers of blankets or skins or whatever non toxic items you have at hand to hold the heat inside. And a non melting, non toxic container in the center of the structure to hold heated stones or bricks. That's all that's necessary. Oh, and do not use a pot or pan that has a non stick coating to hold your heated rocks and stones. Toxic fumes. Oh and a spotter. Some people report light headedness, and hallucinations from steam and/or dry heat saunas due to the high temps the body gets to. I would not recommend drinking alcohol or taking anything else with tranquilizing kind of effect beforehand either. It would not do to go to sleep or pass out in such a high temp environment. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh John E. Stevens wrote: I have a Sunlight Sauna, a far infrared and it hits about 147 degrees F (even in the dead of winter...) which pulls a lot of toxins out of my body. Mine is on my deck outside, but it could be set-up inside, too. It runs off 120 house power. I've noticed it's also helped to steadily keep my blood pressure around 120/74 to 120/70 - which is lower than it was before I owned the Sauna. I use it about 2 - 3 times a week for a half hour each time. I've been using it for a little over three years and I personally recommend it. My blood/sugar always has been alright so I can't comment on that. But as far sweating poisons out - you betcha'. John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:17 PM, martsmai...@aol.com mailto: martsmai...@aol.com wrote: Do FIR sauna help control blood sugar levels? I recall a member who writes about saunas benefits. Thanks marty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS
Lisa: My Sunlight Sauna runs off 120 house power. My total total electric and gas bill runs about $143.00 in the coldest of NY winters. Basically because I have a passive solar heated home with a wood stove back-up which warmly purrs day and night from late November until late March. It costs me about $500.00 a year for wood - not pellets - I fear they may rise in price and I can always cut and split wood... I have a furnace back-up, too, but never use it. I used to when I had to be out of town for a week or two years ago. I can't imagine my Sauna costs much more than a dollar or two every time I use it - maybe less. I bought my passive solar heated house about 20 years ago - because I feared where energy prices may be headed. I'm also contemplating putting in a wind -mill to offset the electrical prices. I've got the plans for building it - I just haven't implemented that yet. My post and beam custom designed home with 12 foot ceilings (I'm somewhat claustrophobic...) is insulated extremely well. 36 R in all the walls and 40 R in the ceilings. The DR and LR ceilings are knotty pine with rotating fans for air cirulation. There is a main ozonated air cleaner in the LR and DR and individual air cleaners in every other room. I find breathingtclean air to be very relevant... Ha... Ha... There's 150 tons of extremely fine Australian sand in my basement that absorbs heat over the summer and through thousands of feet of tubing running through the sand. feeds the heat back through floor vents with a fan system in the winter - if I choose to use it. It's a very cozy home with a digital office, kitchen, DR, LR, a full wet darkroom, my musical recording studio, master BR, a downstairs bathroom and a full bathroom upstairs. All the floors are either hardwood (oak) or ceramic tile (Kitchen, Bathrooms and the darkroom). I have a 1000 square foot deck (my summer living room...) where I have a large colloidal silver water treated (non-chlorine and non-bromine) hot tub and where my Sauna is located. My deck is outfitted with all Teak deck furniture which I purchased many, many years ago. It doesn't need to be removed in the winter. It takes the weather super well and just turns a soft, beautiful gray color with the weather. I've had the same canvas table umbrella for at least 15 years. I don't like replacing things. I'm not a disposable believer. I like things that last. I still have a 1967 Nikon F that works super well... John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote: Hi John, What’s it cost to run (depending upon your electric cost per kwh of course). Thx. Lisa -- *From:* John E. Stevens [mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:10 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS I have a Sunlight Sauna, a far infrared and it hits about 147 degrees F (even in the dead of winter...) which pulls a lot of toxins out of my body. Mine is on my deck outside, but it could be set-up inside, too. It runs off 120 house power. I've noticed it's also helped to steadily keep my blood pressure around 120/74 to 120/70 - which is lower than it was before I owned the Sauna. I use it about 2 - 3 times a week for a half hour each time. I've been using it for a little over three years and I personally recommend it. My blood/sugar always has been alright so I can't comment on that. But as far sweating poisons out - you betcha'. John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:17 PM, martsmai...@aol.com wrote: Do FIR sauna help control blood sugar levels? I recall a member who writes about saunas benefits. Thanks marty
Re: CSSilver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
To Dan, David, Chuck, Kathryn, Tony, and the group, Golly, thanks for the incredible welcome. That was completely unexpected! It's good to see you all again, and that you are still active in cs. I am finally getting rid of the headaches that have plagued me 24X7 for the past decade. After years of trial and error, I discovered a new instrument that came on the market recently, and bought two Dylos DC1100 Pro Air Quality Monitors. These helped me find what I was doing wrong, and how to fix it. The url is http://www.dylosproducts.com/dc1100paqmc.html When I was working at Memorex in 1970, similar instruments cost over $20,000 and took two people to lift. The Dylos are much more sensitive, cost about 1 percent of the old ones, and you can hold them in your hand! They work great, and I cannot recommend them highly enough for anyone who suffers from allergies or the symptoms of mold toxins. If you need one, get the Pro version. It is twice as sensitive and works with particles as small as 0.5 micron. These are the ones that are hardest to eliminate. I have more information on making cs and some major news on contamination problems that probably affect 99% of the people here. One of the problems that arise is the conductivity of the cs drops after making it. Two ladies recently posted the same observation. The question is not why does it drop, that's obvious. The problem is why does it plateau and hold a constant reading. The results are preliminary, but I am working on new instruments that should give answers to these observations. My web site is badly in need of updating, but it may have some information that is of interest. The url is http://www.pstca.com/silversol/index.htm The conductivity drop is shown in two plots on this page: http://www.pstca.com/silversol/theory/goodcs.htm Again, thank you for the hearty welcomes. I am grateful for your kind thoughts, and I hope to bring new and useful information to this forum. BTW, one person posted recently about reading the archives. I searched and could not find any more information. Do the archives exist, and if so, how do you get to them? If they don't exist, what would it take to start them again? Best Wishes, Mike M. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver is a potent nerve cell toxicant/...4Mike!
Hi Mike, Glad to see your feeling better (well enough) to start posting-again/working-on new (updated) materials for your WEB Sites (4?), since the e-mail's...Fall 08? LoL, guess you saw me checking them out (over the past few hours)...but I'm not sure (at this time) if ready for others to see your AG~URL's...so I'm Silent! (Members need good sources for DIY~INFO, I'm also working on few Projects) Don't have enough time for a private email right-now, but very important that we have a discussion via email/(or short phone-call) over a serious PROBLEM that you are likely not-aware-of...related to potential LEGAL Issues, with NEW thing you have added to SITES...since last lQQked at content, back in Fall 08. (If you have not-posted LINK(S) yet, please HOLD-OFF...until I can explain..!!!) GO-IONIC, Dok Dallas P.S. See you are using a new email address...so please send me short-email, so I can be sure to SEND a reply that you will be sure to receive...on Sunday? I need to get some sleep, before long-drive in few hours, but return by Sunday. Hi Dok, Thanks for the nice welcome. My web site is http://www.pstca.com/silversol/index.htm I really don't think there is any problem with legal issues, but if you have something you think is important, you can reach me at the address on my web site, or on my home page, or through this forum. The email addresses are from Kasmail. The url is http://www.kasmail.com/ I use them to eliminate spam. At the beginning, I used to get hundreds or thousands per week. Now I am lucky if I get one every three or four months! Best Wishes, Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
At 08:36 PM 1/22/2010, you wrote: I am so glad to hear you are doing better and getting the mold under control. That is wonderful news! You flatter me overmuch, but I am most flattered that you remember me. I am very interested in your new discoveries, and hope to hear more about them soon. best wishes back to you, sol Hi sol, You would be hard to forget. As one of the oldtimers here, you have always provided thoughtful and helpful posts to everyone. It will be a pleasure working with you again on new discoveries in making cs. Now that I have finally found the key to solving the mold problems, my focus is on eliminating them completely. So it will take a little while before I am able to finish building the new instrumentation to work on the contamination problems in cs. But I think the results will help explain most of the problems people have had with making good cs, and how to overcome them. If I get some time, I will post the analysis on the data I have collected so far. Best Wishes, Mike M. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake
Ya Well John, Best check your source of glass bottles. Some (all?) are plastic coated inside. Who knows what is sprayed in and then it is sintered onto the inside surface for various reasons; strengthening and sealing being two, so that lighter bottles may be made. You will have to search for that yourself. How do I know. I was engineer for a brewery a good few years ago and that was told to me. I wanted to know why the caustic soda bottle washing fluid didn't etch the glass. OK, Tony On 24 Jan 2010 at 8:24, John E. Stevens wrote about : Subject : Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake hi, Simeon: I give blood every 56 days. The Red Cross always test my iron levels which are usually around 10 - 12, normal they say. I enjoy giving blood because it not only helps the Red Cross and many people, but it gets any excess iron out of my system and gets my spleen working making new blood. A couple days after I give blood I have a new and fresh abundance of energy which I attribute to the fresh, new blood. Imagine how wonderful creating a fresh new pint supply of blood every 56 days is.In 35 years of taking immense amounts of vitamin C, I've never had any problems with iron. It only takes me a little over 5 minutes to give a pint of blood - which is a very quick time - especially for an old-timer like me. Most folks, even young folks, take 8 - 12 minutes to give a pint of blood. What does that mean? My arteries and veins are clean and my blood flows very well. Vit C also helps to clean your veins and arteries out, but I also use chlorella, zeolite, pectasol and EDTA to clean my circulatory system (Vit E, CoQ10, resveratrol, L-Lyceine, too). I deem they're all important. Chlorine is dangerous to the circulatory system, too. I haven't drunk tap water in many, many years. There's a deep in the ground, free flowing spring a short ways down my road where I draw my water and store in GLASS - not plastic... Ha... It's the water I drink and cook in. I also put a chlorine filter in my shower so I don't inhale any chlorine steam. Chlorine puts little scratches inside your veins and arteries which cholesterol patches like a band-aid and after years and years of cholesterol patches, folks wonder why their veins and arteries plug-up. Hmmmnnn. Other bad food sources help the plug-up, too. Fairly obvious, isn't it? In my last message to you, I was going to mention additional supplements I take - MSM, hyaloronic acid, Magnesium, glucosamine *without* chondroitinn, natto, probiotics, NAC, prostate support, ginko, and there are others I'll mention later. I've been taking supplements for over 35 years and I've added and subtracted as new info came along. 2010/1/24 muk...@mail.bg Hi John, group, I have read that Vit C increases iron uptake and you know excess iron could be a problem. Did some of you taking vit C had increased iron in blood tests ? Is liposomal C better in this sense ? Simeon - Ferratum - бърз заем онлайн! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC sauna price of electricity cost of KWH
John, Anyone's Electricity in USA for a 1500 watt 36 x 36 Fir Sauna, for warm up time of 30 minutes and use time of 30 minutes is less than $0 .22. ( 22 cents) mine is .11 cents. Double that for New York at 14.31 per KWh 1500 watts x 1 hour divided by 1000+KWh (kilo watt hour) x cost of KWh of elec. = .07 per hour in Nebraska USA, without my fire wood, wood burner, solar energy, ceiling fans, R 60 in ceilings,10 ceilings, baseboard heat, but I have I do have 1,700 tons of sand in my basement area. But that sand or my 1500 sq. of decking does nothing to make the price of a KWh from OPPD cost less in Nebraska. I think Nebraska is colder than New York. You can buy a sauna on e-bay for $1,000 delivered. So for $40.00 I can use everyday of the year for 30 minutes a day to get detoxed. Marty In a message dated 1/24/2010 10:26:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, jonellis.steven...@gmail.com writes: Lisa: My Sunlight Sauna runs off 120 house power. My total total electric and gas bill runs about $143.00 in the coldest of NY winters. Basically because I have a passive solar heated home with a wood stove back-up which warmly purrs day and night from late November until late March. It costs me about $500.00 a year for wood - not pellets - I fear they may rise in price and I can always cut and split wood... I have a furnace back-up, too, but never use it. I used to when I had to be out of town for a week or two years ago. I can't imagine my Sauna costs much more than a dollar or two every time I use it - maybe less. I bought my passive solar heated house about 20 years ago - because I feared where energy prices may be headed. I'm also contemplating putting in a wind -mill to offset the electrical prices. I've got the plans for building it - I just haven't implemented that yet. My post and beam custom designed home with 12 foot ceilings (I'm somewhat claustrophobic...) is insulated extremely well. 36 R in all the walls and 40 R in the ceilings. The DR and LR ceilings are knotty pine with rotating fans for air cirulation. There is a main ozonated air cleaner in the LR and DR and individual air cleaners in every other room. I find breathingtclean air to be very relevant... Ha... Ha... There's 150 tons of extremely fine Australian sand in my basement that absorbs heat over the summer and through thousands of feet of tubing running through the sand. feeds the heat back through floor vents with a fan system in the winter - if I choose to use it. It's a very cozy home with a digital office, kitchen, DR, LR, a full wet darkroom, my musical recording studio, master BR, a downstairs bathroom and a full bathroom upstairs. All the floors are either hardwood (oak) or ceramic tile (Kitchen, Bathrooms and the darkroom). I have a 1000 square foot deck (my summer living room...) where I have a large colloidal silver water treated (non-chlorine and non-bromine) hot tub and where my Sauna is located. My deck is outfitted with all Teak deck furniture which I purchased many, many years ago. It doesn't need to be removed in the winter. It takes the weather super well and just turns a soft, beautiful gray color with the weather. I've had the same canvas table umbrella for at least 15 years. I don't like replacing things. I'm not a disposable believer. I like things that last. I still have a 1967 Nikon F that works super well... John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa _blacksa...@comcast.net_ (mailto:blacksa...@comcast.net) wrote: Hi John, What’s it cost to run (depending upon your electric cost per kwh of course). Thx. Lisa From: John E. Stevens [mailto:_jonellis.steven...@gmail.com_ (mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com) ] Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:10 PM To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Subject: Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS I have a Sunlight Sauna, a far infrared and it hits about 147 degrees F (even in the dead of winter...) which pulls a lot of toxins out of my body. Mine is on my deck outside, but it could be set-up inside, too. It runs off 120 house power. I've noticed it's also helped to steadily keep my blood pressure around 120/74 to 120/70 - which is lower than it was before I owned the Sauna. I use it about 2 - 3 times a week for a half hour each time. I've been using it for a little over three years and I personally recommend it. My blood/sugar always has been alright so I can't comment on that. But as far sweating poisons out - you betcha'. John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:17 PM, _martsmai...@aol.com_ (mailto:martsmai...@aol.com) wrote: Do FIR sauna help control blood sugar levels? I recall a member who writes about saunas benefits. Thanks marty
CS Vit.C iron; info re Rheumatoid Arthritis
For many years I have used Vitamin C in various forms and the last few years as Ascorbic Acid,Sodium Ascorbate and Calcium Ascorbate in large doses. Last May I had a complete blood work-up and it showed my iron was normal; and at my age it was a relief. Any one trying Liposomal CS/EIS ? Also any-one successful treating RA?;A very close friend [in early 60s] has the start of it. TIA. Harold
Re: CSFwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe,
Ode, please note that a christian is supposed to be Christ like but not all are. Perhaps the word might be hypocrite. Leslie - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 5:29 AM Subject: Re: CSFwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe, At 12:17 PM 1/23/2010 -0500, you wrote: You need to open your eyes, too, ode. You're not aware of what's happening onlky namecalling. How small is that? John You don't know our years long history ..We've had some communications about this and other things over the yearsBIBLE thumping liar and weasel Barwick quotes scripture when he gets cornered, says *I'm running a BUSINESS here and you're just small fryI spend hundreds of thousands on advertising*like that justifies everything and I give a hoot about getting big, never actually HELPED a competitor, or just because a LOT of people get ripped off believing his bullsh*t, it's all just fine. [At the time, he was selling his stuff for $400+ and making impossible claims about what it did ] Ya know.. if he was actually honest, he'd not have to spend a dime on advertising. Word of mouth is a bit slower, but is far more powerful in the long run. Barwick emailed me directly in an email spam campaign. Had he not, I'd not have bothered with him..[again]...I'm actually surprised that he responded. But not surprised at how. An unequivocal statement Colloidal silver has indeed been banned throughout Europe. ...then buried in a 3 part text, a denial of making that statement. But why would I even bother to read all that crap when sources *In the UK* say the original statement isn't true? [It's not that I can't read..I DIDN'T read past the screamers, having checked out the original statement before getting the spam and knowing beforehand there wasn't anything there worth reading ] ..and also having had words with that turkey in the past...actually nice helpful ones..an offer to help him make his ad copy make some sort of sense so he didn't look like an idiot to anyone with any sort of scientific acumen.. turned rotten with a venomous stream of sociopathic god-speak in reply. ..which makes it clear that his ad copy was **intentionally** conflicted confusing carefully crafted misleading nonsense... a Phishing expedition to intentionally select the gullible and intellectually defenseless. [It's not that he can't write nonsense as well as any slime lawyer ] My ex brother in law used to brag about making a fortune selling very expensive Encyclopedias to illiterate people that could barely afford to eat...so yea, a bit of a raw nerve there concerning con men and professing Christians doing business using religion as a base ball bat to beat down any protest from a burned believer. BTW My Bro in Law later turned himself into a Morman married the daughter of one of the elders and moved to Boise ...good luck Mormans. [Mind your pockets, there be a shark swimming around in the lint. ] Ode [The SPAM] Hi, Steve Barwick here, for http://www.TheSilverEdge.comwww.TheSilverEdge.com... Colloidal silver has indeed been banned throughout Europe. Ive verified it through my contacts in Europe, which include Europes most respected health freedom organization, the ANH. ... From: odecoyote [The reply] Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:13 AM To: Steve Barwick Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver Banned Throughout Europe, Part II My sources in the UK say that CS is still being sold there and that only the labeling requirements have changed. It can no longer be sold as a Supplement and is now sold under the more accurate heading of disinfectant, like in Australia for the past many years. But thanks for the dis-information and the sales pitch. ken At 04:53 PM 1/17/2010 -0800, you wrote: [the response] I said it has been banned as a food supplement, ken, and it has. No disinformation. You just have to be able to read above a third grade level. Steve Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:33:08 -0500 [..you turkey.] To: Steve Barwick stevebarw...@sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: Colloidal Silver Banned Throughout Europe, Part II Sales speak that requires such close inspection is clearly intentional deception in the context of the intentional fear triggers.manipulator. Truth intended to be understood doesn't require lawyers to figure it out OR careful reading. An honest person doesn't need fine print. Slick salesman...the second worst sort of liar. Colloidal silver has indeed been banned throughout Europe. is a LEAD.. to a mis-lead...'Bait and Switch no way around it, con man. Clearly Stated in a non manipulative manner: Europe has changed the labeling requirements for the sale of CS from being sold as a supplement It is still being sold in stores. Anything less clear is intentional dis-info... jackass. and you KNOW it. It's tough enough to be
Re: CSBurning Feet: Extended Commentary.
Hello Bob, We have not conducted any dedicated studies directly evaluating ALA, either singly or in combination...for lingual nerve insults. However, I have had some personal experiences with the benefits of ALA for facial neuralgia, associated with upper tooth problems. 1000 mg of ALA daily, furnished me with complete relief in about 48 hours (the pain from the neuralgia was VERY intense from the initial insult). Before instituting the ALA component, no acceptable relief appeared from any protocol introduced. Some, small, degree of pain relief was achievedin the beginning---from Ibuprofen-type analgesicsbut this was short-lived and required unacceptably-high dosages. Some relief was achieved utilizing 4% lidocaine...in a topical settingas an address to the more intolerable episodes. This was, always, a last-ditch effort. Later, I added Methyl B-12 to my 500 mg ALA daily prophylactic protocol. Presently, I maintain a i1000 mcg of sublingual Methyl B-12 and 400 mg of ALA (for several reasons, not just for neuralgia). My personal inquiries from other researchers seems to confirm the individual variation in effective minimum prophylactic dosages of both ALA and B-12.required to relieve/maintain control parameters for varying types of neural trauma. One observation: I am aware of some cases that required substantial dosages of both ALA and B-12 introduced via IV.in order to achieve rapid relief, for presentations of severe pain among test subjects. This was especially so in some diabetic-related scenarios. I apologize for being unable to furnish you more useful information. You have my genuine sympathy and good wishes for a rapid and complete resolution of your condition. I can testify, personally, to the degree of discomfort caused by your condition. Best Regards, Brooks. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: CSBurning Feet: Extended Commentary. Date : Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:59:43 -0800 From : Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net To : silver-list@eskimo.com Brooks, Have you done or do you know of any studies done on lingual nerve damage with resultant paresthesia/dysesthesia? I have burning pain on the right side of my tongue from an injection of articaine 30 months ago. I'm wondering if B1, B12, and ALA might give me some relief or if you've heard of any other protocol that might help. Looking forward to your response. Bob - Original Message - From: Brooks Bradley To: Silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: CS>Burning Feet: Extended Commentary. Now that my, original, comment has come through...I will conclude my comments on this topic. First, however, I wish to rectify a misstatement made in my earlier post (caused by hasteI trust). In the concluding paragraphs I commented on two improved types of B-12as being presently available. This was in error. Actually, what I meant to say that there were " two improved members of the vitamin B family" presently available. They are Benfotiamin (a B-1 form), which greatly improves cell penetration...and is a pronounced improvement over most of the earlier representatives of the B-1 family. This B-1 form has demonstrated to be a noticeable improvement over earlier types offered by the commercial market. The beneficial effects...especially for challenges presented by diabetes complications--- are quite striking. Benfotiamin and Methyl B-12 demonstrate to act in synergistic manner when used simultaneouslyas a peripheral neuropathic protocol. The other vitamin is Methyl B-12 (methylcobalamine). This form is MUCH more soluble to tissue...than is the standard cobalamine form. Methyl-cobalamine is, also, quite effective as an ancillary protocol for autism in children (most especially below the age of 10 years). This substance is well-tolerated by a majority of the general population, and oral ingestion is quite effective and adequate for maintaining satisfactory blood titers. Although IV was, is, more immediately effectiveand more completely utilizedthan is sublingually ingested forms of Methyl B-12..the sublingual administration shows to be about 50% as active (by volume), as are IV administrations. (At least that has been our experience). We were privy to studies conducted by other research organizations, which revealed some very powerful effects of B-12 upon diabetic related peripheral neuropathy insults. e.g. One study revealed that IV injections of 2500 mcg of B-12 provided very substantial control/improvement in neuropathy presentations. Presenting symptoms (burning, itching, coldness, etc.) were well-resolvedsometimes in hours, and did not require other injections for intervals of...sometimesas great at 3 months. In some cases the "standard" protocol of 2500
Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake
john, what type magnesium is ok to take. I got magnesium chloride as was recommended by Dr. Sircius (?) nurse when I had mercury poisoning. Leslie - Original Message - From: John E. Stevens To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:24 AM Subject: Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake hi, Simeon: I give blood every 56 days. The Red Cross always test my iron levels which are usually around 10 - 12, normal they say. I enjoy giving blood because it not only helps the Red Cross and many people, but it gets any excess iron out of my system and gets my spleen working making new blood. A couple days after I give blood I have a new and fresh abundance of energy which I attribute to the fresh, new blood. Imagine how wonderful creating a fresh new pint supply of blood every 56 days is.In 35 years of taking immense amounts of vitamin C, I've never had any problems with iron. It only takes me a little over 5 minutes to give a pint of blood - which is a very quick time - especially for an old-timer like me. Most folks, even young folks, take 8 - 12 minutes to give a pint of blood. What does that mean? My arteries and veins are clean and my blood flows very well. Vit C also helps to clean your veins and arteries out, but I also use chlorella, zeolite, pectasol and EDTA to clean my circulatory system (Vit E, CoQ10, resveratrol, L-Lyceine, too). I deem they're all important. Chlorine is dangerous to the circulatory system, too. I haven't drunk tap water in many, many years. There's a deep in the ground, free flowing spring a short ways down my road where I draw my water and store in GLASS - not plastic... Ha... It's the water I drink and cook in. I also put a chlorine filter in my shower so I don't inhale any chlorine steam. Chlorine puts little scratches inside your veins and arteries which cholesterol patches like a band-aid and after years and years of cholesterol patches, folks wonder why their veins and arteries plug-up. Hmmmnnn. Other bad food sources help the plug-up, too. Fairly obvious, isn't it? In my last message to you, I was going to mention additional supplements I take - MSM, hyaloronic acid, Magnesium, glucosamine without chondroitinn, natto, probiotics, NAC, prostate support, ginko, and there are others I'll mention later. I've been taking supplements for over 35 years and I've added and subtracted as new info came along. 2010/1/24 muk...@mail.bg Hi John, group, I have read that Vit C increases iron uptake and you know excess iron could be a problem. Did some of you taking vit C had increased iron in blood tests ? Is liposomal C better in this sense ? Simeon - Ferratum - бърз заем онлайн! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBurning Feet: Extended Commentary. ERROR CORRECTION
Bob, In the second paragraph there is an error. I struck a wrong key and failed to catch it. The error relates to the volume for the methyl B-12. The lower-case "i" should not be there. The true dosage should read 1000 mcg. No excusesbeyond senility. Brooks. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: CSBurning Feet: Extended Commentary. Date : Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:29:23 -0500 (EST) From : Brooks Bradley brooks76...@lycos.com To : silver-list@eskimo.com Hello Bob, We have not conducted any dedicated studies directly evaluating ALA, either singly or in combination...for lingual nerve insults. However, I have had some personal experiences with the benefits of ALA for facial neuralgia, associated with upper tooth problems. 1000 mg of ALA daily, furnished me with complete relief in about 48 hours (the pain from the neuralgia was VERY intense from the initial insult). Before instituting the ALA component, no acceptable relief appeared from any protocol introduced. Some, small, degree of pain relief was achievedin the beginning---from Ibuprofen-type analgesicsbut this was short-lived and required unacceptably-high dosages. Some relief was achieved utilizing 4% lidocaine...in a topical settingas an address to the more intolerable episodes. This was, always, a last-ditch effort. Later, I added Methyl B-12 to my 500 mg ALA daily prophylactic protocol. Presently, I maintain a i1000 mcg of sublingual Methyl B-12 and 400 mg of ALA (for several reasons, not just for neuralgia). My personal inquiries from other researchers seems to confirm the individual variation in effective minimum prophylactic dosages of both ALA and B-12.required to relieve/maintain control parameters for varying types of neural trauma. One observation: I am aware of some cases that required substantial dosages of both ALA and B-12 introduced via IV.in order to achieve rapid relief, for presentations of severe pain among test subjects. This was especially so in some diabetic-related scenarios. I apologize for being unable to furnish you more useful information. You have my genuine sympathy and good wishes for a rapid and complete resolution of your condition. I can testify, personally, to the degree of discomfort caused by your condition. Best Regards, Brooks. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: CSBurning Feet: Extended Commentary. Date : Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:59:43 -0800 From : Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net To : silver-list@eskimo.com Brooks, Have you done or do you know of any studies done on lingual nerve damage with resultant paresthesia/dysesthesia? I have burning pain on the right side of my tongue from an injection of articaine 30 months ago. I'm wondering if B1, B12, and ALA might give me some relief or if you've heard of any other protocol that might help. Looking forward to your response. Bob - Original Message - From: Brooks Bradley To: Silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: CS>Burning Feet: Extended Commentary. Now that my, original, comment has come through...I will conclude my comments on this topic. First, however, I wish to rectify a misstatement made in my earlier post (caused by hasteI trust). In the concluding paragraphs I commented on two improved types of B-12as being presently available. This was in error. Actually, what I meant to say that there were " two improved members of the vitamin B family" presently available. They are Benfotiamin (a B-1 form), which greatly improves cell penetration...and is a pronounced improvement over most of the earlier representatives of the B-1 family. This B-1 form has demonstrated to be a noticeable improvement over earlier types offered by the commercial market. The beneficial effects...especially for challenges presented by diabetes complications--- are quite striking. Benfotiamin and Methyl B-12 demonstrate to act in synergistic manner when used simultaneouslyas a peripheral neuropathic protocol. The other vitamin is Methyl B-12 (methylcobalamine). This form is MUCH more soluble to tissue...than is the standard cobalamine form. Methyl-cobalamine is, also, quite effective as an ancillary protocol for autism in children (most especially below the age of 10 years). This substance is well-tolerated by a majority of the general population, and oral ingestion is quite effective and adequate for maintaining satisfactory blood titers. Although IV was, is, more immediately effectiveand more completely utilizedthan is sublingually ingested forms of Methyl B-12..the sublingual administration shows to be about 50% as active (by volume), as are IV administrations. (At least that has been our experience). We were privy to studies
Re: Swanson's vitamins, etc, was Re: CSHerniated disc's
You can also get Swanson's through Amazon at lower prices too sometimes. Gayla - Original Message - From: John E. Stevens To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:47 AM Subject: Re: Swanson's vitamins, etc, was Re: CSHerniated disc's Annie: I agree with you. I presume that when folks see lower prices they may think the quality isn't as good. That's a sad rumor... But I've been using Swanson products for years,
Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS
sounds like a very nice home John! Peter - Original Message - From: John E. Stevens To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 11:25 AM Subject: Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS Lisa: My Sunlight Sauna runs off 120 house power. My total total electric and gas bill runs about $143.00 in the coldest of NY winters. Basically because I have a passive solar heated home with a wood stove back-up which warmly purrs day and night from late November until late March. It costs me about $500.00 a year for wood - not pellets - I fear they may rise in price and I can always cut and split wood... I have a furnace back-up, too, but never use it. I used to when I had to be out of town for a week or two years ago. I can't imagine my Sauna costs much more than a dollar or two every time I use it - maybe less. I bought my passive solar heated house about 20 years ago - because I feared where energy prices may be headed. I'm also contemplating putting in a wind -mill to offset the electrical prices. I've got the plans for building it - I just haven't implemented that yet. My post and beam custom designed home with 12 foot ceilings (I'm somewhat claustrophobic...) is insulated extremely well. 36 R in all the walls and 40 R in the ceilings. The DR and LR ceilings are knotty pine with rotating fans for air cirulation. There is a main ozonated air cleaner in the LR and DR and individual air cleaners in every other room. I find breathingtclean air to be very relevant... Ha... Ha... There's 150 tons of extremely fine Australian sand in my basement that absorbs heat over the summer and through thousands of feet of tubing running through the sand. feeds the heat back through floor vents with a fan system in the winter - if I choose to use it. It's a very cozy home with a digital office, kitchen, DR, LR, a full wet darkroom, my musical recording studio, master BR, a downstairs bathroom and a full bathroom upstairs. All the floors are either hardwood (oak) or ceramic tile (Kitchen, Bathrooms and the darkroom). I have a 1000 square foot deck (my summer living room...) where I have a large colloidal silver water treated (non-chlorine and non-bromine) hot tub and where my Sauna is located. My deck is outfitted with all Teak deck furniture which I purchased many, many years ago. It doesn't need to be removed in the winter. It takes the weather super well and just turns a soft, beautiful gray color with the weather. I've had the same canvas table umbrella for at least 15 years. I don't like replacing things. I'm not a disposable believer. I like things that last. I still have a 1967 Nikon F that works super well... John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote: Hi John, What’s it cost to run (depending upon your electric cost per kwh of course). Thx. Lisa From: John E. Stevens [mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS I have a Sunlight Sauna, a far infrared and it hits about 147 degrees F (even in the dead of winter...) which pulls a lot of toxins out of my body. Mine is on my deck outside, but it could be set-up inside, too. It runs off 120 house power. I've noticed it's also helped to steadily keep my blood pressure around 120/74 to 120/70 - which is lower than it was before I owned the Sauna. I use it about 2 - 3 times a week for a half hour each time. I've been using it for a little over three years and I personally recommend it. My blood/sugar always has been alright so I can't comment on that. But as far sweating poisons out - you betcha'. John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:17 PM, martsmai...@aol.com wrote: Do FIR sauna help control blood sugar levels? I recall a member who writes about saunas benefits. Thanks marty
Re: CS Vit.C iron; info re Rheumatoid Arthritis
Hi Harold, I have made a few batches of liposomic CS by following the liposomic Vit C directions from Brooks and using CS instead of DW (no Vit C of course). It tastes a little like milk with a hint of silver...kinda nice. It seemed to help with a virus I was fighting. regards, Peter - Original Message - From: Harold MacDonald To: Silver list Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: CS Vit.C iron; info re Rheumatoid Arthritis For many years I have used Vitamin C in various forms and the last few years as Ascorbic Acid,Sodium Ascorbate and Calcium Ascorbate in large doses. Last May I had a complete blood work-up and it showed my iron was normal; and at my age it was a relief. Any one trying Liposomal CS/EIS ? Also any-one successful treating RA?;A very close friend [in early 60s] has the start of it. TIA. Harold
Re: CSCS Good supplement site,why cheap?
Thanks Harold. dee On 23 Jan 2010, at 19:56, Harold MacDonald wrote: The reason they are so cheap is; no advertising,no returns,buy it and you keep it.and they buy from their suppliers in large quantities. They have been very fair with me.Once as they were in a move or something, my order was shorted,but they took my word for it and gave me the right credit. I have been with them since Oct.2001. I also am very pleased with Tropical Traditions' Coconut oil and Coconut Creme. Harold
Re: CSCS Good supplement site
this looks really good Kirsteen, but I like the one which is expeller pressed for cooking with as we don't like the coconut flavour in food. I know its not as good but its the next best thing. It is mechanically pressed not chemically and I get it from iHerb. dee On 23 Jan 2010, at 19:56, Kirsteen Wright wrote: On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: I like TT for coconut oil too but unfortunately, it is too expensive to get here in the UK. If you're looking for Virgin coconut oil in the UK. I find this one amazing http://www.haverawcakeandeatit.co.uk/raw_food_uk/OILS_BUTTERS_Organic_Raw_Food.html I'm not connected with her in any way but I get a lot of stuff from there and I always go there for my coconut oil. I've tried quite a few but I love this. Cheers Kirsteen
Re: liposomal C Re: CSHerniated disc's
Damn, I've only got one of those little mechanical chopper things. dee On 23 Jan 2010, at 20:30, sol wrote: After reading a post here about making it with either a VitaMix or a stick blender, I used my stick blender. So far as I can tell it is fine, it has been in the refrigerator for nearly 24 hours and nothing has separated out or precipitated out so far. Next time I will use my VitaMix. I could probably afford the ultrasonic machine, but frankly have no place to store it when not in use, no matter how small it is, LOL. We have reached the point of impenetrability here, and there is nothing I want to part with to make space for another piece of equipment, so I wanted to use an appliance I already own. sol A -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbi-polar
On the evidence of years of experience - Yes, we are! I also think you could be a bit more open minded John and accept that others could be right and - god forbid...you could be wrong! There's a thought! dee On 23 Jan 2010, at 23:53, John E. Stevens wrote: Oh, it's the gang approach - and the whole gang must be right... Grow up... It is best - period... John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Warning...
Oops sorry Mike, I'm apologising now because I did it again, I sent my reply before I read the entire mailbox! dee On 23 Jan 2010, at 19:24, M. G. Devour wrote: VigHauf, Deborah, Jim, John, Let's stop this bickering now. John, step back, read my messages to you and reassess your reactions. Any more of this and I will start blocking people until they settle down. Dont make me get out the hammer, folks. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Good supplement site
I think I may try their products Chuck, once I've checked the shipping cost of course. dee On 24 Jan 2010, at 00:22, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: I watched the birthing and development of this co-op. They are the real deal...extremely careful about what they approve as a product. Chuck The hardness of the butter is proportional to the softness of the bread. On 1/23/2010 1:38:43 PM, Acmeair (res00...@verizon.net) wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver.. a nerve cell toxicant or cell protector?
I did tell her to and she does occasionally albeit the Sainsbury sort. dee On 24 Jan 2010, at 04:51, lk wrote: Hi Dee, Hope your friend is taking CoQ10 ( ubiquinol) along with the statins. That could be the reason she is experiencing (muscle?) pain in the legs feet. --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:
Re: CSnow ppm sizes
thanks for the reply Ode, I actually *meant* to run on the 'generator' not the meter! Tch, tch, senior moments again! dee On 24 Jan 2010, at 15:06, Ode Coyote wrote: Using the meter won't hurt anything, just be aware that when conditions are different, you need to alter the Eddicated Guesswork some. That also applies to using Auto Off circuity that uses conductivity [like a meter does].. there may be more silver there than normal and not show up and take quite a bit longer to build up Ionic conductivity as more of it is crystallizing at a lower saturation point, if it's cold and cold water itself is considerably less conductive than warm, further adding to the time it takes to add Ionic conductivity on top of the lowered water conductivity. Just the other day I discovered how much difference there can be, when I ran 2 batches in my cold house using water that was the same temperature and they took about 5 times as long as when run in the summer using similar water. [I don't do a lot of heating and cooling ] But all the factors don't add up to 5 times as much *silver* in the water...maybe 5% more? [as a wild guess] Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC sauna price of electricity cost of KWH
Good points, Marty. john On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:32 PM, martsmai...@aol.com wrote: John, Anyone's Electricity in USA for a 1500 watt 36 x 36 Fir Sauna, for warm up time of 30 minutes and use time of 30 minutes is less than $0 .22. ( 22 cents) mine is .11 cents. Double that for New York at 14.31 per KWh 1500 watts x 1 hour divided by 1000+KWh (kilo watt hour) x cost of KWh of elec. = .07 per hour in Nebraska USA, without my fire wood, wood burner, solar energy, ceiling fans, R 60 in ceilings,10 ceilings, baseboard heat, but I have I do have 1,700 tons of sand in my basement area. But that sand or my 1500 sq. of decking does nothing to make the price of a KWh from OPPD cost less in Nebraska. I think Nebraska is colder than New York. You can buy a sauna on e-bay for $1,000 delivered. So for $40.00 I can use everyday of the year for 30 minutes a day to get detoxed. Marty In a message dated 1/24/2010 10:26:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, jonellis.steven...@gmail.com writes: Lisa: My Sunlight Sauna runs off 120 house power. My total total electric and gas bill runs about $143.00 in the coldest of NY winters. Basically because I have a passive solar heated home with a wood stove back-up which warmly purrs day and night from late November until late March. It costs me about $500.00 a year for wood - not pellets - I fear they may rise in price and I can always cut and split wood... I have a furnace back-up, too, but never use it. I used to when I had to be out of town for a week or two years ago. I can't imagine my Sauna costs much more than a dollar or two every time I use it - maybe less. I bought my passive solar heated house about 20 years ago - because I feared where energy prices may be headed. I'm also contemplating putting in a wind -mill to offset the electrical prices. I've got the plans for building it - I just haven't implemented that yet. My post and beam custom designed home with 12 foot ceilings (I'm somewhat claustrophobic...) is insulated extremely well. 36 R in all the walls and 40 R in the ceilings. The DR and LR ceilings are knotty pine with rotating fans for air cirulation. There is a main ozonated air cleaner in the LR and DR and individual air cleaners in every other room. I find breathingtclean air to be very relevant... Ha... Ha... There's 150 tons of extremely fine Australian sand in my basement that absorbs heat over the summer and through thousands of feet of tubing running through the sand. feeds the heat back through floor vents with a fan system in the winter - if I choose to use it. It's a very cozy home with a digital office, kitchen, DR, LR, a full wet darkroom, my musical recording studio, master BR, a downstairs bathroom and a full bathroom upstairs. All the floors are either hardwood (oak) or ceramic tile (Kitchen, Bathrooms and the darkroom). I have a 1000 square foot deck (my summer living room...) where I have a large colloidal silver water treated (non-chlorine and non-bromine) hot tub and where my Sauna is located. My deck is outfitted with all Teak deck furniture which I purchased many, many years ago. It doesn't need to be removed in the winter. It takes the weather super well and just turns a soft, beautiful gray color with the weather. I've had the same canvas table umbrella for at least 15 years. I don't like replacing things. I'm not a disposable believer. I like things that last. I still have a 1967 Nikon F that works super well... John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote: Hi John, What’s it cost to run (depending upon your electric cost per kwh of course). Thx. Lisa -- *From:* John E. Stevens [mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:10 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS I have a Sunlight Sauna, a far infrared and it hits about 147 degrees F (even in the dead of winter...) which pulls a lot of toxins out of my body. Mine is on my deck outside, but it could be set-up inside, too. It runs off 120 house power. I've noticed it's also helped to steadily keep my blood pressure around 120/74 to 120/70 - which is lower than it was before I owned the Sauna. I use it about 2 - 3 times a week for a half hour each time. I've been using it for a little over three years and I personally recommend it. My blood/sugar always has been alright so I can't comment on that. But as far sweating poisons out - you betcha'. John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:17 PM, martsmai...@aol.com wrote: Do FIR sauna help control blood sugar levels? I recall a member who writes about saunas benefits. Thanks marty
Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake
On the iron overload sites I have visited, the recommendation is simply not to take vit C with meals. It is fine to take vit C between meals away from iron containing drinks and foods. Info I read at the Livon Labs site indicates that liposomal C passes from the stomach or intestines into the blood stream and thus to the liver, where it is processed. If true, that means it would not affect iron absorption, or at least that portion of the product which is truly liposomal would not. Because making it at home does not produce a 100% liposomal product, I am being cautious and taking my C mix between meals. Iron absorption from meals can be at least partially blocked by drinking coffee or black tea with each meal. Also there are blocking/chelating supplements such as IP-6 and alpha lipoic acid that are said to help block/remove iron. Taking calcium iwth meals also blocks some iron absorption. Conversely taking Betaine HCL with meals increases iron absorption from that meal. sol At 02:33 AM 1/24/2010, you wrote: Hi John, group, I have read that Vit C increases iron uptake and you know excess iron could be a problem. Did some of you taking vit C had increased iron in blood tests ? Is liposomal C better in this sense ? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
That was me, Mike. I was just tweaking John's nose 'cause he was being a PITA lately. There are no active archives except those that have been saved by individuals. Check on Wayne Fugitt's site for some. Chuck Stop illitrissy now! On 1/24/2010 11:32:15 AM, Mike Monett (nhe-e...@myamail.com) wrote: BTW, one person posted recently about reading the archives. I searched and could not find any more information. Do the archives exist, and if so, how do you get to them? If they don't exist, what would it take to start them again? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScs for colds
Dear Teresa, You wrote: I bought my machine from Utopiasilver last month. I bought their electric generator. I assume you know their machine as someone here recommended Utopia. The PPMs average about 10. It runs clear to slightly yellow. Excellent, then. That's close enough that the advice everybody gave you should be directly applicable! I put cs water in the humidifier for my Cpap last night. I feel better today. I started coming down with the cold Friday night. I have been taking mega doses of Vit C and Vit D3. I can't believe I am already feeling better. Thanks to everyone for their replies, Teresa Isn't that a great thing! Thanks for the report. It's always nice to hear the results people are getting. Be well, Mike D. - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:12 PM Subject: Re: CScs for colds I am new here and still have a lot to learn. Right now I am coming down with a cold and am too tired to look this up. What is the recommended dosage of cs for a cold? Also, what is the preventative dose everyone takes? TIA, Teresa Greetings and welcome, Teresa. All of the advice you've gotten is good, but we lack one piece of information to allow us to put those suggestions in context: What kind of CS do you have? Is it store-bought? What brand? What concentration is claimed for it on the label? Did you make it yourself? Then please describe your generator and method for making it? [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSEIS and DMSO?
Re: CSBlood test shows CS continues to bring viral load downShowing my beginner status again-- in catching up on some reading, I came across a few posts that mention taking EIS with DMSO, and I believe it was taken by mouth. I have some DMSO roll-on, 70% DMSO, 30% Distilled water, recommended to us by a naturopath for muscle aches or similar, some time ago. As I recalled it burned some, so it mostly sat in the cabinet. Label says it is sold as a solvent, and the choice of the process used in the various applications is the sole responsibility of the user. Are we talking about the same thing? And if DMSO is drinkable in some small percentage, how does one purchase that and where? And EIS stands for what? There is so much to learn. thanks, Beth
CSQuestion about nebulizing
Hi folks, My mother, 69, has had sinus drainage into her lungs. Thus she has experience burning and shortness of breath, as well as she quickly gets exhausted when exerting herself. She has been nebulizing with CS 2-3 times a day for about 5-6 min/each. But she has to quit for she starts coughing and that her lungs feel like she has been running hard in cold air. It's got me a little worried. Any thoughts? Theresa -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS
John very interesting! How much CS do you use per gallon in your tub? I have a 2 person SoftTub that I would love to treat with CS. The house sounds lovely! Gayla - Original Message - From: John E. Stevens To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:25 AM Subject: Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS Lisa: My Sunlight Sauna runs off 120 house power. My total total electric and gas bill runs about $143.00 in the coldest of NY winters. Basically because I have a passive solar heated home
Re: CScs for colds
Mike, I bought my machine from Utopiasilver last month. I bought their electric generator. I assume you know their machine as someone here recommended Utopia. The PPMs average about 10. It runs clear to slightly yellow. I put cs water in the humidifier for my Cpap last night. I feel better today. I started coming down with the cold Friday night. I have been taking mega doses of Vit C and Vit D3. I can't believe I am already feeling better. Thanks to everyone for their replies, Teresa - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:12 PM Subject: Re: CScs for colds I am new here and still have a lot to learn. Right now I am coming down with a cold and am too tired to look this up. What is the recommended dosage of cs for a cold? Also, what is the preventative dose everyone takes? TIA, Teresa Greetings and welcome, Teresa. All of the advice you've gotten is good, but we lack one piece of information to allow us to put those suggestions in context: What kind of CS do you have? Is it store-bought? What brand? What concentration is claimed for it on the label? Did you make it yourself? Then please describe your generator and method for making it? The advice you received is from folks who are making their own, generally using low voltage DC to put pure silver into distilled water with no other additives or ingredients. Their CS is generally clear, colorless (or at most light yellow), 5 to 15 parts per million (ppm), mostly ionic with the balance colloidal particles. If you're using some brand of CS that's high concentration, say over a hundred ppm, then everything they say needs to be adjusted for that. If your CS costs over $30 an OUNCE, as some store-bought products do, you're already scratching your head wondering if all these people are filthy rich to be able to afford to take so much? LOL So, please let us know what you're using, so we can adjust our advice accordingly. Be well! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Fwd: CSOff Topic Mold answers from Mike Part ONE
Marty, This message bounced for being over the 18k message size limit for the list... It's only 20k, so you didn't miss by much. Please reformat and try again. It should go through right away. Thanks, Mike D. Marty, P.S. This information may be of interest to others in the list. If it is OK with you, would you mind posting this reply to the group? Mike Mike, thanks for your answers,Marty From: nhe-e...@myamail.com To: martsmai...@aol.com I see your working on mold spores. I have been sick for over 2 years from mold spores from car venting system. Aspergillus and many others. I would like anything I can read on correcting my health or on information about my health risks or detoxing Thanks Marty Hi Marty, I had to get rid of my car due to the spore problem. Now I have to move and will need to buy another one. I'm sure the mold problem will soon come back. There may be a solution that I haven't tried yet, but it is my only hope. Some people have put an ozone generator in the car and let it run all night. This seems like it might work if the generator is able to deliver a reasonable amount of ozone. Unfortunately, the market is full of scammers selling products that do not work. I am an engineer and have studied the problem in detail. I think I can make a machine that will work, and I'm in the process of finishing the design. I will build it soon and let you know the results. In the meantime, try eBay or Craig's List and see if you can find a used one. If the seller will guarantee the performance and let you return it if it doesn't work, you might have a solution to the problem. It is important to know that the body's response to spores is a threshold phenomenon. That means your body can handle up to a certain number of spores per minute with no symptoms. Once you exceed this threshold, you start experiencing the symptoms. So you need to do everything you can to reduce the spore load your body must handle, and improve the body's ability to fight the spores. One thing I found that may help. Eat lots of raw vegetables. I chop cabbage, radishes, green pepper, cucumber slices, fresh broccoli, carrots, and anything else into one large salad bowl and eat that each day. It takes a lot of time to prepare and eat, but this seems to help improve the body's ability to fight the spores.
CSOff Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two
Another thing I have found that is very important is to clean all the lint and dirt from your living area. Look under the bed and clean the dust bunnies each day. Get a moist sponge and run it along the window ledges. Clean your desk each day and any counter or flat surface where lint can gather. Vacuum the entire area daily. If you live in a house with a carpet, move. You need to find a new place with a hardwood or low voc tile floor that has a sealed basement that doesn't grow mold. This is not easy to find. Mold grows on the lint and fills the environment with spores. If your body uses all its resources to fight the mold when you are at home, there is very little left to handle the spores in the car. It is important to realize the biggest source of spores is the bedding you use each night. Mold grows in the cotton and polyester fibres, and you breath the spores in for eight hours. Then your body has to spend the rest of the day trying to get rid of them. I have tried many different ways of killing the spores in bedding. They do not work. The spores are invulnerableto any household chemical or processing temperature you can use without destroying the fabric. About the only thing I have found that partially works is to wash the bedding each day using a cup of fresh bleach in the tub at the start of the wash cycle. Use the minimum amount of soap that will still make a few bubbles. I use about a teaspoon in my Kenmore HE3 front loader. The reason for using an extremely small amount of soap is to minimize the lintgenerated in the fabric. This goes everywhere and soon starts growing mold. I am working on a machine using ozone to kill the spores. This is normally a serious problem since ozone generators do not work when the humidity is high or in high room temperatures. But I think I have found asolution to the problem and will let you know if it works as well as I think it will. Finally, you can mount a high efficiency furnace filter on the back of a 20 inch box fan and turn the fan on low speed. The filter will slow the airflow down to the point where the propeller ceases to function as an airfoil. But it will act as a paddle and spray air out the sides of the case. This is sufficient for a bit of new air to enter the filter. The problem is the filter doesn't do a good job on the tiny spores that cause the greatest problems. I bought two of the professional version of the Dylos Air Quality Monitors to monitor the spore count. I have tried a number of different vendor's filters, and most of them simply do not work. The best I found was the 3M Filtret 9500. This costs around $30.00, but the Dylos shows only gets about half the spores. So you need to use it in a closed room where it can recirculate the air and get a few more spores on each pass. The next problem is the filter doesn't last very long. It starts to pick up lint from the air which collects on the filter. Soon it starts growing mold. Now, instead of filtering the spores from the air, it becomes a spore generator. After a few days, you have to discard the filter and buy a new one. This gets very expensive. I have tried a numberofways of filtering the air using electrostatic fields from dual polarity high voltage generators. The high voltage causes a few major problems. Dirt collects in the housing and causes the system to arc over. The negative HV generator is not designed to handle arcovers, and it is quickly destroyed. The next problem is humidity. When it is hot and humid outside, moisture collects on the housing and causes severe problems with arcover. I may have found a solution to this problem and I am in the process of building a system to try it. I will let you know if it works. Regards, Mike P.S. This information may be of interest to others in the list. If it is OK with you, would you mind posting this reply to the group?
CS Tobie Anne with blood in urine
I took, sol recommendation, straight 5 ppm EIS for a while. Dog was not eating much or drinking that I could see. ( cat drinks out of same bowl ) So I gave Tobie 2 tablespoons of milk with 1 tablespoon of EIS ever other hour waking hour for several days. She normally drinks well water, not city water. Each day I cut up a chicken fryer along with dry food. Tobie Anne age 13 who was exposed to mold in car with me( she has gone to work with me everyday for 13 years), lost 15 lbs over 2 years, from 48 lbs. to 33 lbs., gained almost 5 lbs back according to vet in 16 days. Future test is planned for urine and possible toxin testing. It is hard to tell, she doesn't say much, but she seems happier ! Runs around like a puppy now. Thanks for everyone's recommendations. Marty From: martsmai...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: 1/7/2010 12:02:20 A.M. Central Standard Time Subj: CS Dog with blood in urine Any recommendations for colloidal silver consumption. Dog threw up antibiotic from vet.