Re: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-03 Thread Sandra George
Hi There Victor, have you considered the importance of a balanced body, “ph 
wise - I am going through this education on myself as I write this, and have 
realised just how absolutely important this is, for us all, to avoid body 
breakdown and diseases !Even to acid saliva in the mouth which causes 
decay in the teeth!!!There is so much new to learn every day about the body 
and how it operates it is an ongoing study for sure 
Cheers
Sandee
Attitude is everything !!!
Sandra George
Colloidal Silver Products
Eye Drops  Topical Gel
aliveagai...@yahoo.com



On 2 Sep 2014, at 19:07, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Alan,

I agree with your general premise of not taking medicine every day. Indeed, it 
is my goal to perfect my diet and environment, and not take CS every day. And I 
also think it was great that you mentioned probiotics. Kefir is part of my 
daily diet.

However, I am a bit dismayed by two other things you said, and I would like to 
put my thoughts out there for discussion:

1. I do not agree with assumptions about CS indiscriminately killing all 
bacteria in our body, as research and experience contradict that. Nobody yet 
knows for sure all the exact mechanisms of CS. It seems much more likely that 
our body somehow works in conjunction with CS. If not, then excessive use of CS 
would decimate our immune system by wiping out the bacteria in our gut. But it 
does not. The exact mechanisms of CS are still beyond our understanding. Yes we 
know it kills all pathogens, we know it generates stem cells, we know it kills 
cancer cells, and we know many different mechanisms for these actions. But 
there is still a lot of mystery there, as the contradictions remain unexplained.

2. I do not agree that the Herxheimer reaction is a fallacy. It is caused by 
the toxic excretions and litter of dying pathogens. I have a lot of first hand 
experience with this from using the Beck Protocol. Dr. Robert Beck recognized 
this problem and included ozonated water to deal with it. Ozonated water is 
incredibly effective at neutralizing and eliminating waste from the body, and 
thus preventing the Herxheimer reaction. Myself and family members have 
experienced the difference many times. (The Beck Protocol is highly likely to 
cause a strong Herxheimer reaction if you don't include the ozonated water... 
and sometimes we are too lazy to make the ozonated water... and then are 
pointedly reminded how effective it is).

Again, I agree with your general idea of not taking 'medicine' every day. 
However, I no longer view CS as a medicine. It is certainly not a drug. I know 
it is not a nutrient or supplement either, but I am just not sure how to 
categorize it at this point.

We are practically invulnerable with the right diet, and Dr. Weston A. Price 
has done a great job of documenting that. Best to follow his dietary guidance 
and keep a bottle of CS in my pocket, just in case ;-)

Victor




On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Alan Faulkner ala...@gmail.com wrote:
The whole Herx thing is a bit controversial. Some say it means all the bad 
stuff is dying off, and some say it is a bad reaction to the medicine. It was 
invented to explain away why some PPL react to Penicillin .

Either way I am not in the take medicine everyday camp because anything that 
kills bacteria is not selective contrary to what some PPL like to believe, as 
if it kills one thing, it will inevitably kill the good guys too. Since there 
is more bacteria in your body than cells and since the bacteria are living 
symbiotically with you, then you are destroying that which keeps you healthy.

Basically symbiotically means that you each benefit each other. Bacteria is 
responsible for everything from digestion to consuming poisons, keeping the bad 
guys in check and no doubt many more things. I read once that speculation is 
that the reason us humans do so well despite having a small genome is that we 
have co-opted the genome of all the symbiotic bacteria in us.

Some PPL take a variety of things daily such as MMS, H2O2 etc. and I say that 
is nonsense. You have a defence system for a reason. Yes when it is overloaded 
because of your poor dietary habits then help it out, but find out what you are 
doing wrong and fix that. Depending on some substance everyday to survive is a 
fool's paradise AFAIAC.

That is why probiotics and yogurt and all of the other fermented foods give PPL 
such a healthy gut... bacteria are your friend.

Alan


On 2014-09-01, at 23:59 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote:

AJ,

I think dosage depends largely on your overall health. Some people need more 
than others.

A would recommend a glass a day as a starting point, and increase it as you 
feel the need. And I mean increase it within the same day. If I had a bad flu 
with a fever, I would probably drink four glasses a day, or even more. You 
cannot overdose on CS, and making it at home means that it is practically free. 
So if I don't feel some 

Re: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-02 Thread André Juthe
So what is the dose per day when you have the flue or a cold? (Assume that
I use a 10ppm produkt.

/AJ


2014-09-02 3:06 GMT+02:00 Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com:

 Hello Hollie,

 Glad you discovered CS (Colloidal Silver). Finding trusted information on
 the Internet is extremely difficult. I have countless success stories of my
 own, and there are many people on this mailing list with more knowledge and
 experience than me. Here are my answers to your questions:

 1. There is nothing to worry about. Nobody turns blue if they have real
 CS. There are no side effects or drug interactions to worry about.

 2. To ensure that you have good CS, I strongly recommend making your own.
 It is by far the safest and most cost effective way to get CS. I recommend
 www.silverpuppy.com but there are other good devices too.

 3. I have been using CS that I make at home for nearly ten years. My ten
 year old daughter has never missed a day of school. She had ear infections,
 colds, etc., before I started CS, but nothing more than a hint since then.
 My wife and I are never sick from work either. We can all tell if we catch
 something, but it is eradicated or marginalized immediately by the CS. We
 have wiped out infections, toe fungus, and even pet issues. Over a dozen of
 my family members now use CS, and many now have their own devices.

 4. Cancer, HIV, etc., yes, CS can be very effective. But it does have
 limits. The most effective protocol that I have ever seen for such is the
 Beck Protocol. CS is actually an important part of the Beck Protocol. More
 information can be found at http://www.bobbeck.com.

 My family has also had amazing experiences with the Beck Protocol. But in
 truth, CS is so incredibly effective against all pathogens that we rarely
 need it.

 One other recommendation I would like to make is nutritional guidance from
 the Weston A. Price Foundation. The work of Dr. Price is quite profound,
 and yet almost obvious. As a medical professional I think you will find his
 work quite interesting. I highly recommend his book. Here is a link to the
 guidance:


 http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/dietary-guidelines/

 Best of luck to you. You have come to a good place for CS information.

 Victor


 On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:13 AM, indiantadpole . hollie.fl...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi everyone. I'm not sure how to make a post, hopefully this is correct.
 I would like to introduce myself. My name is Hollie, I am a cardiac
 nurse, a mom and a wife. Although I am trained and employed to work in the
 traditional medical world, I am very interested in natural cures and
 remedies. My family and I eat very healthy, and we avoid most traditional
 medications. A co-worker recommended that I buy colloidal silver when my 15
 month old son got sick for the very first time a few weeks ago. (He began
 daycare several weeks before that..) He was diagnosed with pneumonia, strep
 throat and bilateral ear infections. I reluctantly gave him the prescribed
 antibiotics and I didn't look into the silver. Then, a few days ago, he
 came down with a fever again, and after another visit to the ped, he was
 diagnosed with another set of ear infections, and prescribed to a heavier
 antibiotic- Augmentin. Yesterday, I was beside myself, wanting to do what's
 best for my son, but super reluctant to go through a whole new course of
 antibiotics just 3 weeks since his Amoxicillin. I did some research online
 about the colloidal silver, and I decided to go out and buy some. I also
 picked up the Augmentin, since I have no experience with the silver, and I
 gave him both. I used drops in his ears and I gave him 1 tsp by mouth. I
 also took 1 tsp, and gave my husband several tspns, as he is also ill.
 Today I was pretty surprised to see that there just doesn't seem to be a
 lot of information out there about colloidal silver. I know that it is used
 in the ointment on newborns eyes after they are born, and also read that
 Nasa uses it to purify water. I don't doubt that it is beneficial. I am
 curious as to how beneficial. Could it be a cure for HIV//cancer? Also
 agraria- is this common? Should I be worried? Of course, I don't want my
 baby's skin to turn blue! Then I read that it can cause neurological issues
 like seizures. Does anyone have any evidence to support harmful side
 effects? Any success stories? Sorry so long... Looking to forward to
 hearing from you.

 -Hollie






Re: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-02 Thread Victor Cozzetto
AJ,

I think dosage depends largely on your overall health. Some people need
more than others.

A would recommend a glass a day as a starting point, and increase it as you
feel the need. And I mean increase it within the same day. If I had a bad
flu with a fever, I would probably drink four glasses a day, or even more.
You cannot overdose on CS, and making it at home means that it is
practically free. So if I don't feel some improvement within hours, I will
keep drinking more. I keep plastic bottles filled with it so that I can
just keep drinking all day and all night.

Another point to consider is that symptoms - fever, stuffy nose, etc., will
often continue after the body has 'won' the battle, as those are our body's
defense mechanisms, and It simply takes time for the body to shut them
down. So you really have to judge how you 'feel' in a more holistic way.
You can feel great with a mild fever and some congestion, or you could feel
terrible. In either case, keep drinking the CS for some days after you feel
great, to make sure that you don't relapse.

If you have never used CS before, I would recommend starting with a glass a
day. You could get diarrhea and Herxheimer reactions, depending on your
overall condition. A Herxheimer reaction could feel like a flu, and is
caused by rapid die off of pathogens that occurs to quickly for your body
to handle. And so you could actually feel worse before you suddenly feel
much better.

Victor


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:39 PM, André Juthe andre.ju...@gmail.com wrote:

 So what is the dose per day when you have the flue or a cold? (Assume that
 I use a 10ppm produkt.

 /AJ


 2014-09-02 3:06 GMT+02:00 Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com:

 Hello Hollie,

 Glad you discovered CS (Colloidal Silver). Finding trusted information on
 the Internet is extremely difficult. I have countless success stories of my
 own, and there are many people on this mailing list with more knowledge and
 experience than me. Here are my answers to your questions:

 1. There is nothing to worry about. Nobody turns blue if they have real
 CS. There are no side effects or drug interactions to worry about.

 2. To ensure that you have good CS, I strongly recommend making your own.
 It is by far the safest and most cost effective way to get CS. I recommend
 www.silverpuppy.com but there are other good devices too.

 3. I have been using CS that I make at home for nearly ten years. My ten
 year old daughter has never missed a day of school. She had ear infections,
 colds, etc., before I started CS, but nothing more than a hint since then.
 My wife and I are never sick from work either. We can all tell if we catch
 something, but it is eradicated or marginalized immediately by the CS. We
 have wiped out infections, toe fungus, and even pet issues. Over a dozen of
 my family members now use CS, and many now have their own devices.

 4. Cancer, HIV, etc., yes, CS can be very effective. But it does have
 limits. The most effective protocol that I have ever seen for such is the
 Beck Protocol. CS is actually an important part of the Beck Protocol. More
 information can be found at http://www.bobbeck.com.

 My family has also had amazing experiences with the Beck Protocol. But in
 truth, CS is so incredibly effective against all pathogens that we rarely
 need it.

 One other recommendation I would like to make is nutritional guidance
 from the Weston A. Price Foundation. The work of Dr. Price is quite
 profound, and yet almost obvious. As a medical professional I think you
 will find his work quite interesting. I highly recommend his book. Here is
 a link to the guidance:


 http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/dietary-guidelines/

 Best of luck to you. You have come to a good place for CS information.

 Victor


 On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:13 AM, indiantadpole . hollie.fl...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi everyone. I'm not sure how to make a post, hopefully this is correct.
 I would like to introduce myself. My name is Hollie, I am a cardiac
 nurse, a mom and a wife. Although I am trained and employed to work in the
 traditional medical world, I am very interested in natural cures and
 remedies. My family and I eat very healthy, and we avoid most traditional
 medications. A co-worker recommended that I buy colloidal silver when my 15
 month old son got sick for the very first time a few weeks ago. (He began
 daycare several weeks before that..) He was diagnosed with pneumonia, strep
 throat and bilateral ear infections. I reluctantly gave him the prescribed
 antibiotics and I didn't look into the silver. Then, a few days ago, he
 came down with a fever again, and after another visit to the ped, he was
 diagnosed with another set of ear infections, and prescribed to a heavier
 antibiotic- Augmentin. Yesterday, I was beside myself, wanting to do what's
 best for my son, but super reluctant to go through a whole new course of
 antibiotics just 3 weeks since his Amoxicillin. I did some 

Re: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-02 Thread Dee
I think that should be 'argyria' dee

Sent from my iPad

 On 2 Sep 2014, at 02:01, TJ Garland ironguard...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hollie, i have used it with great success for 20 years for hundreds of 
 different problems. It worked better than antibiotics for all.
 It must be made properly-to not get agraria. Simple to do. 
 Www.silverpuppy.com is one supplier.
 I could write pages on my clients when I was a practicing ND.
 Search the net awhile.
 Buy A Miraculous health Substance by Marvin Robey.   The Body Electric by 
 Becker
 Search colloidal silver+Brigham Young university
 Then ask the group questions.
 
 
 I've always wondered what the 1920's and 1930's were like, but I never 
 wanted to see it from the German perspective…..
 
 
  
 
 
 
 On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:13 PM, indiantadpole . hollie.fl...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone. I'm not sure how to make a post, hopefully this is correct. 
 I would like to introduce myself. My name is Hollie, I am a cardiac nurse, a 
 mom and a wife. Although I am trained and employed to work in the traditional 
 medical world, I am very interested in natural cures and remedies. My family 
 and I eat very healthy, and we avoid most traditional medications. A 
 co-worker recommended that I buy colloidal silver when my 15 month old son 
 got sick for the very first time a few weeks ago. (He began daycare several 
 weeks before that..) He was diagnosed with pneumonia, strep throat and 
 bilateral ear infections. I reluctantly gave him the prescribed antibiotics 
 and I didn't look into the silver. Then, a few days ago, he came down with a 
 fever again, and after another visit to the ped, he was diagnosed with 
 another set of ear infections, and prescribed to a heavier antibiotic- 
 Augmentin. Yesterday, I was beside myself, wanting to do what's best for my 
 son, but super reluctant to go through a whole new course of antibiotics just 
 3 weeks since his Amoxicillin. I did some research online about the colloidal 
 silver, and I decided to go out and buy some. I also picked up the Augmentin, 
 since I have no experience with the silver, and I gave him both. I used drops 
 in his ears and I gave him 1 tsp by mouth. I also took 1 tsp, and gave my 
 husband several tspns, as he is also ill. Today I was pretty surprised to see 
 that there just doesn't seem to be a lot of information out there about 
 colloidal silver. I know that it is used in the ointment on newborns eyes 
 after they are born, and also read that Nasa uses it to purify water. I don't 
 doubt that it is beneficial. I am curious as to how beneficial. Could it be a 
 cure for HIV//cancer? Also agraria- is this common? Should I be worried? Of 
 course, I don't want my baby's skin to turn blue! Then I read that it can 
 cause neurological issues like seizures. Does anyone have any evidence to 
 support harmful side effects? Any success stories? Sorry so long... Looking 
 to forward to hearing from you. 
 
 -Hollie 
 
 


Re: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-02 Thread TJ Garland
Too bad CS doesn't help with spelling skills-

I've always wondered what the 1920's and 1930's were like, but I never wanted 
to see it from the German perspective…..


 



On Sep 2, 2014, at 3:31 AM, Dee d...@deetroy.org wrote:

I think that should be 'argyria' dee

Sent from my iPad

 On 2 Sep 2014, at 02:01, TJ Garland ironguard...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hollie, i have used it with great success for 20 years for hundreds of 
 different problems. It worked better than antibiotics for all.
 It must be made properly-to not get agraria. Simple to do. 
 Www.silverpuppy.com is one supplier.
 I could write pages on my clients when I was a practicing ND.
 Search the net awhile.
 Buy A Miraculous health Substance by Marvin Robey.   The Body Electric by 
 Becker
 Search colloidal silver+Brigham Young university
 Then ask the group questions.
 
 
 I've always wondered what the 1920's and 1930's were like, but I never 
 wanted to see it from the German perspective…..
 
 
  
 
 
 
 On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:13 PM, indiantadpole . hollie.fl...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone. I'm not sure how to make a post, hopefully this is correct. 
 I would like to introduce myself. My name is Hollie, I am a cardiac nurse, a 
 mom and a wife. Although I am trained and employed to work in the traditional 
 medical world, I am very interested in natural cures and remedies. My family 
 and I eat very healthy, and we avoid most traditional medications. A 
 co-worker recommended that I buy colloidal silver when my 15 month old son 
 got sick for the very first time a few weeks ago. (He began daycare several 
 weeks before that..) He was diagnosed with pneumonia, strep throat and 
 bilateral ear infections. I reluctantly gave him the prescribed antibiotics 
 and I didn't look into the silver. Then, a few days ago, he came down with a 
 fever again, and after another visit to the ped, he was diagnosed with 
 another set of ear infections, and prescribed to a heavier antibiotic- 
 Augmentin. Yesterday, I was beside myself, wanting to do what's best for my 
 son, but super reluctant to go through a whole new course of antibiotics just 
 3 weeks since his Amoxicillin. I did some research online about the colloidal 
 silver, and I decided to go out and buy some. I also picked up the Augmentin, 
 since I have no experience with the silver, and I gave him both. I used drops 
 in his ears and I gave him 1 tsp by mouth. I also took 1 tsp, and gave my 
 husband several tspns, as he is also ill. Today I was pretty surprised to see 
 that there just doesn't seem to be a lot of information out there about 
 colloidal silver. I know that it is used in the ointment on newborns eyes 
 after they are born, and also read that Nasa uses it to purify water. I don't 
 doubt that it is beneficial. I am curious as to how beneficial. Could it be a 
 cure for HIV//cancer? Also agraria- is this common? Should I be worried? Of 
 course, I don't want my baby's skin to turn blue! Then I read that it can 
 cause neurological issues like seizures. Does anyone have any evidence to 
 support harmful side effects? Any success stories? Sorry so long... Looking 
 to forward to hearing from you. 
 
 -Hollie 
 
 


Re: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-02 Thread Alan Faulkner
The whole Herx thing is a bit controversial. Some say it means all the bad 
stuff is dying off, and some say it is a bad reaction to the medicine. It was 
invented to explain away why some PPL react to Penicillin .

Either way I am not in the take medicine everyday camp because anything that 
kills bacteria is not selective contrary to what some PPL like to believe, as 
if it kills one thing, it will inevitably kill the good guys too. Since there 
is more bacteria in your body than cells and since the bacteria are living 
symbiotically with you, then you are destroying that which keeps you healthy.

Basically symbiotically means that you each benefit each other. Bacteria is 
responsible for everything from digestion to consuming poisons, keeping the bad 
guys in check and no doubt many more things. I read once that speculation is 
that the reason us humans do so well despite having a small genome is that we 
have co-opted the genome of all the symbiotic bacteria in us.

Some PPL take a variety of things daily such as MMS, H2O2 etc. and I say that 
is nonsense. You have a defence system for a reason. Yes when it is overloaded 
because of your poor dietary habits then help it out, but find out what you are 
doing wrong and fix that. Depending on some substance everyday to survive is a 
fool's paradise AFAIAC.

That is why probiotics and yogurt and all of the other fermented foods give PPL 
such a healthy gut... bacteria are your friend.

Alan


On 2014-09-01, at 23:59 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote:

AJ,

I think dosage depends largely on your overall health. Some people need more 
than others.

A would recommend a glass a day as a starting point, and increase it as you 
feel the need. And I mean increase it within the same day. If I had a bad flu 
with a fever, I would probably drink four glasses a day, or even more. You 
cannot overdose on CS, and making it at home means that it is practically free. 
So if I don't feel some improvement within hours, I will keep drinking more. I 
keep plastic bottles filled with it so that I can just keep drinking all day 
and all night.

Another point to consider is that symptoms - fever, stuffy nose, etc., will 
often continue after the body has 'won' the battle, as those are our body's 
defense mechanisms, and It simply takes time for the body to shut them down. So 
you really have to judge how you 'feel' in a more holistic way. You can feel 
great with a mild fever and some congestion, or you could feel terrible. In 
either case, keep drinking the CS for some days after you feel great, to make 
sure that you don't relapse.

If you have never used CS before, I would recommend starting with a glass a 
day. You could get diarrhea and Herxheimer reactions, depending on your overall 
condition. A Herxheimer reaction could feel like a flu, and is caused by rapid 
die off of pathogens that occurs to quickly for your body to handle. And so you 
could actually feel worse before you suddenly feel much better.

Victor



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Re: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-02 Thread André Juthe
Ok, but what is your recommended dose in deciliter per day if you have the
flue or a cold?

/AJ


2014-09-02 18:34 GMT+02:00 Alan Faulkner ala...@gmail.com:

 The whole Herx thing is a bit controversial. Some say it means all the bad
 stuff is dying off, and some say it is a bad reaction to the medicine. It
 was invented to explain away why some PPL react to Penicillin .

 Either way I am not in the take medicine everyday camp because anything
 that kills bacteria is not selective contrary to what some PPL like to
 believe, as if it kills one thing, it will inevitably kill the good guys
 too. Since there is more bacteria in your body than cells and since the
 bacteria are living symbiotically with you, then you are destroying that
 which keeps you healthy.

 Basically symbiotically means that you each benefit each other. Bacteria
 is responsible for everything from digestion to consuming poisons, keeping
 the bad guys in check and no doubt many more things. I read once that
 speculation is that the reason us humans do so well despite having a small
 genome is that we have co-opted the genome of all the symbiotic bacteria in
 us.

 Some PPL take a variety of things daily such as MMS, H2O2 etc. and I say
 that is nonsense. You have a defence system for a reason. Yes when it is
 overloaded because of your poor dietary habits then help it out, but find
 out what you are doing wrong and fix that. Depending on some substance
 everyday to survive is a fool's paradise AFAIAC.

 That is why probiotics and yogurt and all of the other fermented foods
 give PPL such a healthy gut... bacteria are your friend.

 Alan


 On 2014-09-01, at 23:59 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote:

 AJ,

 I think dosage depends largely on your overall health. Some people need
 more than others.

 A would recommend a glass a day as a starting point, and increase it as
 you feel the need. And I mean increase it within the same day. If I had a
 bad flu with a fever, I would probably drink four glasses a day, or even
 more. You cannot overdose on CS, and making it at home means that it is
 practically free. So if I don't feel some improvement within hours, I will
 keep drinking more. I keep plastic bottles filled with it so that I can
 just keep drinking all day and all night.

 Another point to consider is that symptoms - fever, stuffy nose, etc.,
 will often continue after the body has 'won' the battle, as those are our
 body's defense mechanisms, and It simply takes time for the body to shut
 them down. So you really have to judge how you 'feel' in a more holistic
 way. You can feel great with a mild fever and some congestion, or you could
 feel terrible. In either case, keep drinking the CS for some days after you
 feel great, to make sure that you don't relapse.

 If you have never used CS before, I would recommend starting with a glass
 a day. You could get diarrhea and Herxheimer reactions, depending on your
 overall condition. A Herxheimer reaction could feel like a flu, and is
 caused by rapid die off of pathogens that occurs to quickly for your body
 to handle. And so you could actually feel worse before you suddenly feel
 much better.

 Victor



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Re: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-02 Thread Alan Faulkner
I make no recommendation as it would no doubt depend on a number of factors 
such as; 
the strength of the mixture, 
size of particles, 
condition of patient 
purity of source water, 
silver purity, etc.

My concern is that these statements have not been tested in any fashion. Just 
someone's guess based on their performance. The problem is that if they had 
done it differently what condition would they be in?

My main concern is advising PPL to just drink lots of it every day. I use it if 
I need it and then I leave it.

Colloidal silver is a modality not a religion.

Alan





On 2014-09-02, at 10:43 AM, André Juthe wrote:

Ok, but what is your recommended dose in deciliter per day if you have the flue 
or a cold? 

/AJ


2014-09-02 18:34 GMT+02:00 Alan Faulkner ala...@gmail.com:
The whole Herx thing is a bit controversial. Some say it means all the bad 
stuff is dying off, and some say it is a bad reaction to the medicine. It was 
invented to explain away why some PPL react to Penicillin .

Either way I am not in the take medicine everyday camp because anything that 
kills bacteria is not selective contrary to what some PPL like to believe, as 
if it kills one thing, it will inevitably kill the good guys too. Since there 
is more bacteria in your body than cells and since the bacteria are living 
symbiotically with you, then you are destroying that which keeps you healthy.

Basically symbiotically means that you each benefit each other. Bacteria is 
responsible for everything from digestion to consuming poisons, keeping the bad 
guys in check and no doubt many more things. I read once that speculation is 
that the reason us humans do so well despite having a small genome is that we 
have co-opted the genome of all the symbiotic bacteria in us.

Some PPL take a variety of things daily such as MMS, H2O2 etc. and I say that 
is nonsense. You have a defence system for a reason. Yes when it is overloaded 
because of your poor dietary habits then help it out, but find out what you are 
doing wrong and fix that. Depending on some substance everyday to survive is a 
fool's paradise AFAIAC.

That is why probiotics and yogurt and all of the other fermented foods give PPL 
such a healthy gut... bacteria are your friend.

Alan


On 2014-09-01, at 23:59 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote:

AJ,

I think dosage depends largely on your overall health. Some people need more 
than others.

A would recommend a glass a day as a starting point, and increase it as you 
feel the need. And I mean increase it within the same day. If I had a bad flu 
with a fever, I would probably drink four glasses a day, or even more. You 
cannot overdose on CS, and making it at home means that it is practically free. 
So if I don't feel some improvement within hours, I will keep drinking more. I 
keep plastic bottles filled with it so that I can just keep drinking all day 
and all night.

Another point to consider is that symptoms - fever, stuffy nose, etc., will 
often continue after the body has 'won' the battle, as those are our body's 
defense mechanisms, and It simply takes time for the body to shut them down. So 
you really have to judge how you 'feel' in a more holistic way. You can feel 
great with a mild fever and some congestion, or you could feel terrible. In 
either case, keep drinking the CS for some days after you feel great, to make 
sure that you don't relapse.

If you have never used CS before, I would recommend starting with a glass a 
day. You could get diarrhea and Herxheimer reactions, depending on your overall 
condition. A Herxheimer reaction could feel like a flu, and is caused by rapid 
die off of pathogens that occurs to quickly for your body to handle. And so you 
could actually feel worse before you suddenly feel much better.

Victor



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Re: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-02 Thread Victor Cozzetto
Hi Alan,

I agree with your general premise of not taking medicine every day. Indeed,
it is my goal to perfect my diet and environment, and not take CS every
day. And I also think it was great that you mentioned probiotics. Kefir is
part of my daily diet.

However, I am a bit dismayed by two other things you said, and I would like
to put my thoughts out there for discussion:

1. I do not agree with assumptions about CS indiscriminately killing all
bacteria in our body, as research and experience contradict that. Nobody
yet knows for sure all the exact mechanisms of CS. It seems much more
likely that our body somehow works in conjunction with CS. If not, then
excessive use of CS would decimate our immune system by wiping out the
bacteria in our gut. But it does not. The exact mechanisms of CS are still
beyond our understanding. Yes we know it kills all pathogens, we know it
generates stem cells, we know it kills cancer cells, and we know many
different mechanisms for these actions. But there is still a lot of mystery
there, as the contradictions remain unexplained.

2. I do not agree that the Herxheimer reaction is a fallacy. It is caused
by the toxic excretions and litter of dying pathogens. I have a lot of
first hand experience with this from using the Beck Protocol. Dr. Robert
Beck recognized this problem and included ozonated water to deal with it.
Ozonated water is incredibly effective at neutralizing and eliminating
waste from the body, and thus preventing the Herxheimer reaction. Myself
and family members have experienced the difference many times. (The Beck
Protocol is highly likely to cause a strong Herxheimer reaction if you
don't include the ozonated water... and sometimes we are too lazy to make
the ozonated water... and then are pointedly reminded how effective it is).

Again, I agree with your general idea of not taking 'medicine' every day.
However, I no longer view CS as a medicine. It is certainly not a drug. I
know it is not a nutrient or supplement either, but I am just not sure how
to categorize it at this point.

We are practically invulnerable with the right diet, and Dr. Weston A.
Price has done a great job of documenting that. Best to follow his dietary
guidance and keep a bottle of CS in my pocket, just in case ;-)

Victor




On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Alan Faulkner ala...@gmail.com wrote:

 The whole Herx thing is a bit controversial. Some say it means all the bad
 stuff is dying off, and some say it is a bad reaction to the medicine. It
 was invented to explain away why some PPL react to Penicillin .

 Either way I am not in the take medicine everyday camp because anything
 that kills bacteria is not selective contrary to what some PPL like to
 believe, as if it kills one thing, it will inevitably kill the good guys
 too. Since there is more bacteria in your body than cells and since the
 bacteria are living symbiotically with you, then you are destroying that
 which keeps you healthy.

 Basically symbiotically means that you each benefit each other. Bacteria
 is responsible for everything from digestion to consuming poisons, keeping
 the bad guys in check and no doubt many more things. I read once that
 speculation is that the reason us humans do so well despite having a small
 genome is that we have co-opted the genome of all the symbiotic bacteria in
 us.

 Some PPL take a variety of things daily such as MMS, H2O2 etc. and I say
 that is nonsense. You have a defence system for a reason. Yes when it is
 overloaded because of your poor dietary habits then help it out, but find
 out what you are doing wrong and fix that. Depending on some substance
 everyday to survive is a fool's paradise AFAIAC.

 That is why probiotics and yogurt and all of the other fermented foods
 give PPL such a healthy gut... bacteria are your friend.

 Alan


 On 2014-09-01, at 23:59 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote:

 AJ,

 I think dosage depends largely on your overall health. Some people need
 more than others.

 A would recommend a glass a day as a starting point, and increase it as
 you feel the need. And I mean increase it within the same day. If I had a
 bad flu with a fever, I would probably drink four glasses a day, or even
 more. You cannot overdose on CS, and making it at home means that it is
 practically free. So if I don't feel some improvement within hours, I will
 keep drinking more. I keep plastic bottles filled with it so that I can
 just keep drinking all day and all night.

 Another point to consider is that symptoms - fever, stuffy nose, etc.,
 will often continue after the body has 'won' the battle, as those are our
 body's defense mechanisms, and It simply takes time for the body to shut
 them down. So you really have to judge how you 'feel' in a more holistic
 way. You can feel great with a mild fever and some congestion, or you could
 feel terrible. In either case, keep drinking the CS for some days after you
 feel great, to make sure that you don't relapse.

 If you have never 

Re: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-02 Thread Alan Faulkner
Hi Victor,
I guess we are very close. :)

Re: cancer, I am comfortable accepting that it is not the cells that need to be 
destroyed. Royal Rife videod (?sp) the destruction of cancer viruses many years 
ago and the vids are around on the net on Rife type device sites. Additionally 
there are Youtubes of (I believe) James Bare videoing the same thing.

Don't get me wrong about a Herx, It may very well be true however, I know in 
the Rife world PPL blame every adverse reaction on a Herxheimer reaction, so 
this is my point. Even when PPL run the machines at too high a power setting 
and the patient is very uncomfortable the operator sometimes blames it on H 
reaction. I said it was controversial and this is one of the reasons why. PPL 
call overdosing Herxing when really it is just an OD.

Alan


On 2014-09-02, at 16:07 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote:

Hi Alan,

I agree with your general premise of not taking medicine every day. Indeed, it 
is my goal to perfect my diet and environment, and not take CS every day. And I 
also think it was great that you mentioned probiotics. Kefir is part of my 
daily diet.

However, I am a bit dismayed by two other things you said, and I would like to 
put my thoughts out there for discussion:

1. I do not agree with assumptions about CS indiscriminately killing all 
bacteria in our body, as research and experience contradict that. Nobody yet 
knows for sure all the exact mechanisms of CS. It seems much more likely that 
our body somehow works in conjunction with CS. If not, then excessive use of CS 
would decimate our immune system by wiping out the bacteria in our gut. But it 
does not. The exact mechanisms of CS are still beyond our understanding. Yes we 
know it kills all pathogens, we know it generates stem cells, we know it kills 
cancer cells, and we know many different mechanisms for these actions. But 
there is still a lot of mystery there, as the contradictions remain unexplained.

2. I do not agree that the Herxheimer reaction is a fallacy. It is caused by 
the toxic excretions and litter of dying pathogens. I have a lot of first hand 
experience with this from using the Beck Protocol. Dr. Robert Beck recognized 
this problem and included ozonated water to deal with it. Ozonated water is 
incredibly effective at neutralizing and eliminating waste from the body, and 
thus preventing the Herxheimer reaction. Myself and family members have 
experienced the difference many times. (The Beck Protocol is highly likely to 
cause a strong Herxheimer reaction if you don't include the ozonated water... 
and sometimes we are too lazy to make the ozonated water... and then are 
pointedly reminded how effective it is).

Again, I agree with your general idea of not taking 'medicine' every day. 
However, I no longer view CS as a medicine. It is certainly not a drug. I know 
it is not a nutrient or supplement either, but I am just not sure how to 
categorize it at this point.

We are practically invulnerable with the right diet, and Dr. Weston A. Price 
has done a great job of documenting that. Best to follow his dietary guidance 
and keep a bottle of CS in my pocket, just in case ;-)

Victor




On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Alan Faulkner ala...@gmail.com wrote:
The whole Herx thing is a bit controversial. Some say it means all the bad 
stuff is dying off, and some say it is a bad reaction to the medicine. It was 
invented to explain away why some PPL react to Penicillin .

Either way I am not in the take medicine everyday camp because anything that 
kills bacteria is not selective contrary to what some PPL like to believe, as 
if it kills one thing, it will inevitably kill the good guys too. Since there 
is more bacteria in your body than cells and since the bacteria are living 
symbiotically with you, then you are destroying that which keeps you healthy.

Basically symbiotically means that you each benefit each other. Bacteria is 
responsible for everything from digestion to consuming poisons, keeping the bad 
guys in check and no doubt many more things. I read once that speculation is 
that the reason us humans do so well despite having a small genome is that we 
have co-opted the genome of all the symbiotic bacteria in us.

Some PPL take a variety of things daily such as MMS, H2O2 etc. and I say that 
is nonsense. You have a defence system for a reason. Yes when it is overloaded 
because of your poor dietary habits then help it out, but find out what you are 
doing wrong and fix that. Depending on some substance everyday to survive is a 
fool's paradise AFAIAC.

That is why probiotics and yogurt and all of the other fermented foods give PPL 
such a healthy gut... bacteria are your friend.

Alan


On 2014-09-01, at 23:59 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote:

AJ,

I think dosage depends largely on your overall health. Some people need more 
than others.

A would recommend a glass a day as a starting point, and increase it as you 
feel the need. And I mean increase it within the same day. 

RE: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-02 Thread Neville
G'day Alan,
Did I mention there will be differing opinions and beliefs earlier? g
Disagree in part with some of what you say.  Yes, good bacteria are our best 
friend, and we are covered both externally and internally with 'em.  As you 
say, and as I understand it, both good and bad live in harmony with each other 
both in and on us, and providing they are kept in suitable healthy balance all 
is well.
People talk about our gut flora being destroyed by this stuff, well as I said 
earlier, I've been ingesting a small amount every single day for 10 odd years 
and have never had any issues.  Coupled with my daily intake, if I suspect I am 
coming down with something I up that dose to roughly 800ml to 1 litre per day 
for several days, still nothing untoward occurring with my gut flora.
It should be remembered that what we make in our kitchen is *not* the same as 
what is purchased 'over the counter', the so called 'Colloidal Silver'.  I have 
yet to find any literature which associates undesirable effects to the 
ingestion of our product.  Literature regarding the so called 'CS' is in 
abundance ad nauseam in the public domain, but not about this stuff, well, not 
that I've found anyway.
I have never had the need to replenish my gut flora with probiotics or any 
other stuff, similarly I have never taken Selenium {or whatever it's called} as 
is recommended by some whilst imbibing in EIS {nothing wrong with my 
fingernails either}.
When literature is in short supply there is only one way to find things 
out...Self!  Bucket loads of innuendo, misinformation, disinformation and 
guilt by association, but nothing that holds up in credibility or relevance to 
what we make and take in my book.
The Herx thing:  When I first started this EIS journey I used to ingest 
considerably more per day than I have done in more recent years, and I did feel 
a little 'off' initially, even to the point whereby others would inform me that 
I appeared to look 'yellowish', I put this down to toxins being destroyed and 
not being eliminated from my system fast enough, perhaps kidneys were working 
overtime?  Was this Herx?  Don't know, but if that was anything to go by I 
deduced there *could* be something in what is said about Herx reaction and 
ingestion of too much silver?  Back then I used to use rain water which is not 
be the same as using DW.  I was also then using an uncontrolled battery 
operated unit as well, which lab results gave as excess of 40ppm total silver 
content.  Perhaps these were the reasons of my feeling a little 'off'?
Again, it should be clearly understood that what we make and take is nothing 
like what is purchased over the counter.  The only similarity is there is 
silver in both products, but that's about as far as it goes for me.  In what 
form?  What particle quantity?  What particle size?  Particle distribution?  
What is the ppm of that product?  What is added to the water as a stabiliser in 
the higher ppm stuff, or even the standard ppm stuff for all I know?  What does 
accepted published literature define as a 'colloidal' product, it's not what we 
make from the literature I've read?  Was it produced using HVAC or LVDC?  Just 
to name a few.
Now couple all this with what actually occurs when *our* product enters the 
blood stream or system?  I don't believe anyone really knows?  Chemistry books 
may state one thing, and most will have their own opinion and beliefs {just as 
I do}, but reality may state something else entirely?  It comes back to 
innuendo, misinformation, disinformation and guilt by association for me?
If you can provide me with informative, in depth {and I mean 'in depth'} 
suitably researched literature outlining exactly what occurs with our product, 
i.e. Predominantly Ionic Silver solution, when it enters the blood circulatory 
system or body, and how, if, and why it changes when it hits the circulatory 
system, I'd like to read it.  But it must be relevant to what *we* make and 
take/apply/use/sniff/snort/rub on/rub in or bath in and not the better known 
and popularly marketed 'CS' g.
I do however agree with your last sentence, re, h202 and all the rest of it.  
If people are combining anything or using anything in addition to, or in 
conjunction with EIS, then all my bets are off.
In conclusion...I guess all my cells must be fairly tough, I have never felt 
anything 'undesirable', or look anything different to what I have always 
looked, apart from getting uglier as I age g.
N.

 From: ala...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: CSIntroduction-Hello
 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 09:34:04 -0700
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 
 The whole Herx thing is a bit controversial. Some say it means all the bad 
 stuff is dying off, and some say it is a bad reaction to the medicine. It was 
 invented to explain away why some PPL react to Penicillin .
 
 Either way I am not in the take medicine everyday camp because anything 
 that kills bacteria is not selective contrary to what some PPL like

Re: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-02 Thread Alan Faulkner
Hi Neville,

Just a thought. In some cases just drinking a lot of water by itself will clean 
out the system and in the case of some PPL might be the only water they drink. 
However having said that somePPL drink wa too much of the stuff, but that 
is another rant. ;)

When you say small amount what do you mean?

In Ayurveda they define the affect of a number of metals ie cooking with copper 
is poisonous, and yet one Ay. proscription is to put some water in a copper 
glass and leave it overnight and drink on arising. Copper has a cleansing 
effect, but cooking with it puts way too much copper in and it becomes 
poisonous. I find this recipe to be too strong for me BTW.

Also in AY. they suggest consuming silver to encourage the conception of a 
male. 

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, 
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. Hamlet

I cannot comment on whether it is advisable to consume it regularly, as there 
is no way to know how you would be faring otherwise.

BTW I am not saying there is anything wrong with consuming silver but Ay. says 
it has a cooling effect so if someone had a cooler body type it might not be a 
good idea. Gold for instance is heating so I have problems with water infused 
with gold.

Al


On 2014-09-02, at 17:24 PM, Neville wrote:

G'day Alan,

Did I mention there will be differing opinions and beliefs earlier? g

Disagree in part with some of what you say.  Yes, good bacteria are our best 
friend, and we are covered both externally and internally with 'em.  As you 
say, and as I understand it, both good and bad live in harmony with each other 
both in and on us, and providing they are kept in suitable healthy balance all 
is well.

People talk about our gut flora being destroyed by this stuff, well as I said 
earlier, I've been ingesting a small amount every single day for 10 odd years 
and have never had any issues.  Coupled with my daily intake, if I suspect I am 
coming down with something I up that dose to roughly 800ml to 1 litre per day 
for several days, still nothing untoward occurring with my gut flora.

It should be remembered that what we make in our kitchen is *not* the same as 
what is purchased 'over the counter', the so called 'Colloidal Silver'.  I have 
yet to find any literature which associates undesirable effects to the 
ingestion of our product.  Literature regarding the so called 'CS' is in 
abundance ad nauseam in the public domain, but not about this stuff, well, not 
that I've found anyway.

I have never had the need to replenish my gut flora with probiotics or any 
other stuff, similarly I have never taken Selenium {or whatever it's called} as 
is recommended by some whilst imbibing in EIS {nothing wrong with my 
fingernails either}.

When literature is in short supply there is only one way to find things 
out...Self!  Bucket loads of innuendo, misinformation, disinformation and 
guilt by association, but nothing that holds up in credibility or relevance to 
what we make and take in my book.

The Herx thing:  When I first started this EIS journey I used to ingest 
considerably more per day than I have done in more recent years, and I did feel 
a little 'off' initially, even to the point whereby others would inform me that 
I appeared to look 'yellowish', I put this down to toxins being destroyed and 
not being eliminated from my system fast enough, perhaps kidneys were working 
overtime?  Was this Herx?  Don't know, but if that was anything to go by I 
deduced there *could* be something in what is said about Herx reaction and 
ingestion of too much silver?  Back then I used to use rain water which is not 
be the same as using DW.  I was also then using an uncontrolled battery 
operated unit as well, which lab results gave as excess of 40ppm total silver 
content.  Perhaps these were the reasons of my feeling a little 'off'?

Again, it should be clearly understood that what we make and take is nothing 
like what is purchased over the counter.  The only similarity is there is 
silver in both products, but that's about as far as it goes for me.  In what 
form?  What particle quantity?  What particle size?  Particle distribution?  
What is the ppm of that product?  What is added to the water as a stabiliser in 
the higher ppm stuff, or even the standard ppm stuff for all I know?  What does 
accepted published literature define as a 'colloidal' product, it's not what we 
make from the literature I've read?  Was it produced using HVAC or LVDC?  Just 
to name a few.

Now couple all this with what actually occurs when *our* product enters the 
blood stream or system?  I don't believe anyone really knows?  Chemistry books 
may state one thing, and most will have their own opinion and beliefs {just as 
I do}, but reality may state something else entirely?  It comes back to 
innuendo, misinformation, disinformation and guilt by association for me?

If you can provide me with informative, in depth {and I mean 'in depth'} 
suitably 

RE: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-02 Thread Neville


Subject: Re: CSIntroduction-Hello
From: ala...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 17:55:27 -0700
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Hi Neville,
Just a thought. In some cases just drinking a lot of water by itself will clean 
out the system and in the case of some PPL might be the only water they drink. 
However having said that somePPL drink wa too much of the stuff, but that 
is another rant. ;)
## Yes, apparently drinking copious amounts of water when beginning the EIS 
journey, if one has never taken it before, is popularly recommended to flush 
the system of any 'debris?' which may be created by that EIS?
When you say small amount what do you mean?

## Between 30 and 50ml a day before breakfast when the mouth is driest - faster 
 and more immediate absorption.  A drop in the ocean in the scheme of things I 
know, but considering 99.9 recurring % of food and produce is being tampered 
with in one way or another more and more in the world, not forgetting 
vaccinations available by the dozen {of which I don't partake in or of}, I 
figure any help with my natural immune system, which is being slowly but surely 
destroyed by the aforesaid, can only be a good thing.  I'll have a better idea 
in another 10-20 years maybe, hopefully I'll still have as many to go before 
reaching my 'use by' date g.
In Ayurveda they define the affect of a number of metals ie cooking with copper 
is poisonous, and yet one Ay. proscription is to put some water in a copper 
glass and leave it overnight and drink on arising. Copper has a cleansing 
effect, but cooking with it puts way too much copper in and it becomes 
poisonous. I find this recipe to be too strong for me BTW.
## Copper is also a good bactericide apparently, but I know nothing about that. 
 They say aluminium cooking pots create mental issues as well, aluminium 
accumulating in the brain, {Pineal gland or somewhere?} and yet my ancestors 
used *only* aluminium cookware back then, and seemingly there was nothing like 
the numbers of mental issues etc then as there are today.  That should pose 
some questions for someone?
Also in AY. they suggest consuming silver to encourage the conception of a 
male. 
## Seeing as you mention this, I can say that most of the males I associated 
with in my younger day, in the structural steel trade and steel producing 
environment, all had boys?  This I have always found interesting?   Why did so 
many of my male associates produce boys?  It had nothing to do with silver back 
then.  Back then one did not have the facilities to find out if the mother was 
carrying a boy or girl either, to wit it was a popular topic of 
conversation...Will it be a boy or a girl?  Predominantly boys, very 
interesting observation at the time.  Boys seemed to far outnumber girl births 
for some strange reason?  I often wondered if the work environment had 
something to do with it?  But then on the other hand, we had two girls and one 
boy?  Funny that, I said I wanted a boy, we got one, then I said I wanted a 
girl, we got one, then with the third I said I preferred a girl, and we got 
another girl.  Perhaps I 'willed' the result? g.  Although it's apparently 
the female that decides what sex the baby will be?
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your 
philosophy. Hamlet
I cannot comment on whether it is advisable to consume it regularly, as there 
is no way to know how you would be faring otherwise.
## As above, I'll be in a better position to give an opinion on this in another 
10-20 years maybe, but I'm doing far better than a lot of my contemporaries I 
must say.
BTW I am not saying there is anything wrong with consuming silver but Ay. says 
it has a cooling effect so if someone had a cooler body type it might not be a 
good idea. Gold for instance is heating so I have problems with water infused 
with gold.
## That's fine Alan.  I do find this 'cooling' aspect interesting though.  I do 
feel the heat more than most.  I keep telling my wife that when my use by date 
comes around it will most definitely be in the summer time g.  Very 
interesting point you made.  H.Perhaps I'd better not stop my EIS 
intake, it might just be that which is keeping the Grim Reaper away g.  I 
know nothing about gold either.
Al

On 2014-09-02, at 17:24 PM, Neville wrote:G'day Alan,
Did I mention there will be differing opinions and beliefs earlier? g
Disagree in part with some of what you say.  Yes, good bacteria are our best 
friend, and we are covered both externally and internally with 'em.  As you 
say, and as I understand it, both good and bad live in harmony with each other 
both in and on us, and providing they are kept in suitable healthy balance all 
is well.
People talk about our gut flora being destroyed by this stuff, well as I said 
earlier, I've been ingesting a small amount every single day for 10 odd years 
and have never had any issues.  Coupled with my daily intake, if I suspect I am 
coming down

Re: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-02 Thread Dan Nave
I have never heard of any adverse effects (other than argyria) from
colloidal silver of the type we make which is about 10 to 20 ppm made with
pure silver and distilled water.  I have never heard of seizures from this
type of CS, or any other Colloidal silver, for that matter.

However, I think it is incorrect to say that it is impossible to get
argyria from properly made CS.  If you have been paying attention on this
list there are reports of several people who have gotten mild cases of
argyria, but all of them were taking massive quantities for very long
periods of time.  Quarts or more a day for many months or years.  Many
others have taken large quantities for long periods of time with no argyria
effects.

I did a calculation at one time and determined that if one imbibed 1/4 cup
of 10 ppm colloidal silver daily, that would be equivalent to the amount of
silver that the EPA would allow in drinking water for a person who drinks a
couple of quarts of water a day.  So, presumably, one could take 1/4 cup of
this daily for life and have absolutely no adverse effects per this EPA
guideline.  But, just as one would take a large dose of antibiotics for a
short period of time but would not think of taking that dose continuously,
I think one could take considerably more CS for a limited period of time
without causing any fear of argyria.

My feeling would be to give an infant or child 1/2 to 1 teaspoon at a time,
and if they have an acute condition, repeat that about 3 times in the day
or hourly, if necessary, and reduce frequency as they improve.




On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 7:13 PM, indiantadpole . hollie.fl...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi everyone. I'm not sure how to make a post, hopefully this is correct.
 I would like to introduce myself. My name is Hollie, I am a cardiac nurse,
 a mom and a wife. Although I am trained and employed to work in the
 traditional medical world, I am very interested in natural cures and
 remedies. My family and I eat very healthy, and we avoid most traditional
 medications. A co-worker recommended that I buy colloidal silver when my 15
 month old son got sick for the very first time a few weeks ago. (He began
 daycare several weeks before that..) He was diagnosed with pneumonia, strep
 throat and bilateral ear infections. I reluctantly gave him the prescribed
 antibiotics and I didn't look into the silver. Then, a few days ago, he
 came down with a fever again, and after another visit to the ped, he was
 diagnosed with another set of ear infections, and prescribed to a heavier
 antibiotic- Augmentin. Yesterday, I was beside myself, wanting to do what's
 best for my son, but super reluctant to go through a whole new course of
 antibiotics just 3 weeks since his Amoxicillin. I did some research online
 about the colloidal silver, and I decided to go out and buy some. I also
 picked up the Augmentin, since I have no experience with the silver, and I
 gave him both. I used drops in his ears and I gave him 1 tsp by mouth. I
 also took 1 tsp, and gave my husband several tspns, as he is also ill.
 Today I was pretty surprised to see that there just doesn't seem to be a
 lot of information out there about colloidal silver. I know that it is used
 in the ointment on newborns eyes after they are born, and also read that
 Nasa uses it to purify water. I don't doubt that it is beneficial. I am
 curious as to how beneficial. Could it be a cure for HIV//cancer? Also
 agraria- is this common? Should I be worried? Of course, I don't want my
 baby's skin to turn blue! Then I read that it can cause neurological issues
 like seizures. Does anyone have any evidence to support harmful side
 effects? Any success stories? Sorry so long... Looking to forward to
 hearing from you.

 -Hollie





Re: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-02 Thread Dan Nave
There are 3 teaspoons in 1 Tablespoon, 2 Tablespoons in 1 ounce, and 4
Tablespoons in 1/4 cup (2 ounces).  That means there are 12 teaspoons in
1/4 cup.

If you have food poisoning, take a much larger dose all at once, like 1 cup.

Otherwise, many have found that relatively small doses taken more often are
actually more effective.



On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have never heard of any adverse effects (other than argyria) from
 colloidal silver of the type we make which is about 10 to 20 ppm made with
 pure silver and distilled water.  I have never heard of seizures from this
 type of CS, or any other Colloidal silver, for that matter.

 However, I think it is incorrect to say that it is impossible to get
 argyria from properly made CS.  If you have been paying attention on this
 list there are reports of several people who have gotten mild cases of
 argyria, but all of them were taking massive quantities for very long
 periods of time.  Quarts or more a day for many months or years.  Many
 others have taken large quantities for long periods of time with no argyria
 effects.

 I did a calculation at one time and determined that if one imbibed 1/4 cup
 of 10 ppm colloidal silver daily, that would be equivalent to the amount of
 silver that the EPA would allow in drinking water for a person who drinks a
 couple of quarts of water a day.  So, presumably, one could take 1/4 cup of
 this daily for life and have absolutely no adverse effects per this EPA
 guideline.  But, just as one would take a large dose of antibiotics for a
 short period of time but would not think of taking that dose continuously,
 I think one could take considerably more CS for a limited period of time
 without causing any fear of argyria.

 My feeling would be to give an infant or child 1/2 to 1 teaspoon at a
 time, and if they have an acute condition, repeat that about 3 times in the
 day or hourly, if necessary, and reduce frequency as they improve.




 On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 7:13 PM, indiantadpole . hollie.fl...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi everyone. I'm not sure how to make a post, hopefully this is correct.
 I would like to introduce myself. My name is Hollie, I am a cardiac
 nurse, a mom and a wife. Although I am trained and employed to work in the
 traditional medical world, I am very interested in natural cures and
 remedies. My family and I eat very healthy, and we avoid most traditional
 medications. A co-worker recommended that I buy colloidal silver when my 15
 month old son got sick for the very first time a few weeks ago. (He began
 daycare several weeks before that..) He was diagnosed with pneumonia, strep
 throat and bilateral ear infections. I reluctantly gave him the prescribed
 antibiotics and I didn't look into the silver. Then, a few days ago, he
 came down with a fever again, and after another visit to the ped, he was
 diagnosed with another set of ear infections, and prescribed to a heavier
 antibiotic- Augmentin. Yesterday, I was beside myself, wanting to do what's
 best for my son, but super reluctant to go through a whole new course of
 antibiotics just 3 weeks since his Amoxicillin. I did some research online
 about the colloidal silver, and I decided to go out and buy some. I also
 picked up the Augmentin, since I have no experience with the silver, and I
 gave him both. I used drops in his ears and I gave him 1 tsp by mouth. I
 also took 1 tsp, and gave my husband several tspns, as he is also ill.
 Today I was pretty surprised to see that there just doesn't seem to be a
 lot of information out there about colloidal silver. I know that it is used
 in the ointment on newborns eyes after they are born, and also read that
 Nasa uses it to purify water. I don't doubt that it is beneficial. I am
 curious as to how beneficial. Could it be a cure for HIV//cancer? Also
 agraria- is this common? Should I be worried? Of course, I don't want my
 baby's skin to turn blue! Then I read that it can cause neurological issues
 like seizures. Does anyone have any evidence to support harmful side
 effects? Any success stories? Sorry so long... Looking to forward to
 hearing from you.

 -Hollie






CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-01 Thread indiantadpole .
Hi everyone. I'm not sure how to make a post, hopefully this is correct.
I would like to introduce myself. My name is Hollie, I am a cardiac nurse,
a mom and a wife. Although I am trained and employed to work in the
traditional medical world, I am very interested in natural cures and
remedies. My family and I eat very healthy, and we avoid most traditional
medications. A co-worker recommended that I buy colloidal silver when my 15
month old son got sick for the very first time a few weeks ago. (He began
daycare several weeks before that..) He was diagnosed with pneumonia, strep
throat and bilateral ear infections. I reluctantly gave him the prescribed
antibiotics and I didn't look into the silver. Then, a few days ago, he
came down with a fever again, and after another visit to the ped, he was
diagnosed with another set of ear infections, and prescribed to a heavier
antibiotic- Augmentin. Yesterday, I was beside myself, wanting to do what's
best for my son, but super reluctant to go through a whole new course of
antibiotics just 3 weeks since his Amoxicillin. I did some research online
about the colloidal silver, and I decided to go out and buy some. I also
picked up the Augmentin, since I have no experience with the silver, and I
gave him both. I used drops in his ears and I gave him 1 tsp by mouth. I
also took 1 tsp, and gave my husband several tspns, as he is also ill.
Today I was pretty surprised to see that there just doesn't seem to be a
lot of information out there about colloidal silver. I know that it is used
in the ointment on newborns eyes after they are born, and also read that
Nasa uses it to purify water. I don't doubt that it is beneficial. I am
curious as to how beneficial. Could it be a cure for HIV//cancer? Also
agraria- is this common? Should I be worried? Of course, I don't want my
baby's skin to turn blue! Then I read that it can cause neurological issues
like seizures. Does anyone have any evidence to support harmful side
effects? Any success stories? Sorry so long... Looking to forward to
hearing from you.

-Hollie


Re: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-01 Thread TJ Garland
Hollie, i have used it with great success for 20 years for hundreds of 
different problems. It worked better than antibiotics for all.
It must be made properly-to not get agraria. Simple to do. Www.silverpuppy.com 
is one supplier.
I could write pages on my clients when I was a practicing ND.
Search the net awhile.
Buy A Miraculous health Substance by Marvin Robey.   The Body Electric by 
Becker
Search colloidal silver+Brigham Young university
Then ask the group questions.


I've always wondered what the 1920's and 1930's were like, but I never wanted 
to see it from the German perspective…..


 



On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:13 PM, indiantadpole . hollie.fl...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi everyone. I'm not sure how to make a post, hopefully this is correct. 
I would like to introduce myself. My name is Hollie, I am a cardiac nurse, a 
mom and a wife. Although I am trained and employed to work in the traditional 
medical world, I am very interested in natural cures and remedies. My family 
and I eat very healthy, and we avoid most traditional medications. A co-worker 
recommended that I buy colloidal silver when my 15 month old son got sick for 
the very first time a few weeks ago. (He began daycare several weeks before 
that..) He was diagnosed with pneumonia, strep throat and bilateral ear 
infections. I reluctantly gave him the prescribed antibiotics and I didn't look 
into the silver. Then, a few days ago, he came down with a fever again, and 
after another visit to the ped, he was diagnosed with another set of ear 
infections, and prescribed to a heavier antibiotic- Augmentin. Yesterday, I was 
beside myself, wanting to do what's best for my son, but super reluctant to go 
through a whole new course of antibiotics just 3 weeks since his Amoxicillin. I 
did some research online about the colloidal silver, and I decided to go out 
and buy some. I also picked up the Augmentin, since I have no experience with 
the silver, and I gave him both. I used drops in his ears and I gave him 1 tsp 
by mouth. I also took 1 tsp, and gave my husband several tspns, as he is also 
ill. Today I was pretty surprised to see that there just doesn't seem to be a 
lot of information out there about colloidal silver. I know that it is used in 
the ointment on newborns eyes after they are born, and also read that Nasa uses 
it to purify water. I don't doubt that it is beneficial. I am curious as to how 
beneficial. Could it be a cure for HIV//cancer? Also agraria- is this common? 
Should I be worried? Of course, I don't want my baby's skin to turn blue! Then 
I read that it can cause neurological issues like seizures. Does anyone have 
any evidence to support harmful side effects? Any success stories? Sorry so 
long... Looking to forward to hearing from you. 

-Hollie 




Re: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-01 Thread Victor Cozzetto
Hello Hollie,

Glad you discovered CS (Colloidal Silver). Finding trusted information on
the Internet is extremely difficult. I have countless success stories of my
own, and there are many people on this mailing list with more knowledge and
experience than me. Here are my answers to your questions:

1. There is nothing to worry about. Nobody turns blue if they have real CS.
There are no side effects or drug interactions to worry about.

2. To ensure that you have good CS, I strongly recommend making your own.
It is by far the safest and most cost effective way to get CS. I recommend
www.silverpuppy.com but there are other good devices too.

3. I have been using CS that I make at home for nearly ten years. My ten
year old daughter has never missed a day of school. She had ear infections,
colds, etc., before I started CS, but nothing more than a hint since then.
My wife and I are never sick from work either. We can all tell if we catch
something, but it is eradicated or marginalized immediately by the CS. We
have wiped out infections, toe fungus, and even pet issues. Over a dozen of
my family members now use CS, and many now have their own devices.

4. Cancer, HIV, etc., yes, CS can be very effective. But it does have
limits. The most effective protocol that I have ever seen for such is the
Beck Protocol. CS is actually an important part of the Beck Protocol. More
information can be found at http://www.bobbeck.com.

My family has also had amazing experiences with the Beck Protocol. But in
truth, CS is so incredibly effective against all pathogens that we rarely
need it.

One other recommendation I would like to make is nutritional guidance from
the Weston A. Price Foundation. The work of Dr. Price is quite profound,
and yet almost obvious. As a medical professional I think you will find his
work quite interesting. I highly recommend his book. Here is a link to the
guidance:

http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/dietary-guidelines/

Best of luck to you. You have come to a good place for CS information.

Victor

On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:13 AM, indiantadpole . hollie.fl...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi everyone. I'm not sure how to make a post, hopefully this is correct.
 I would like to introduce myself. My name is Hollie, I am a cardiac nurse,
 a mom and a wife. Although I am trained and employed to work in the
 traditional medical world, I am very interested in natural cures and
 remedies. My family and I eat very healthy, and we avoid most traditional
 medications. A co-worker recommended that I buy colloidal silver when my 15
 month old son got sick for the very first time a few weeks ago. (He began
 daycare several weeks before that..) He was diagnosed with pneumonia, strep
 throat and bilateral ear infections. I reluctantly gave him the prescribed
 antibiotics and I didn't look into the silver. Then, a few days ago, he
 came down with a fever again, and after another visit to the ped, he was
 diagnosed with another set of ear infections, and prescribed to a heavier
 antibiotic- Augmentin. Yesterday, I was beside myself, wanting to do what's
 best for my son, but super reluctant to go through a whole new course of
 antibiotics just 3 weeks since his Amoxicillin. I did some research online
 about the colloidal silver, and I decided to go out and buy some. I also
 picked up the Augmentin, since I have no experience with the silver, and I
 gave him both. I used drops in his ears and I gave him 1 tsp by mouth. I
 also took 1 tsp, and gave my husband several tspns, as he is also ill.
 Today I was pretty surprised to see that there just doesn't seem to be a
 lot of information out there about colloidal silver. I know that it is used
 in the ointment on newborns eyes after they are born, and also read that
 Nasa uses it to purify water. I don't doubt that it is beneficial. I am
 curious as to how beneficial. Could it be a cure for HIV//cancer? Also
 agraria- is this common? Should I be worried? Of course, I don't want my
 baby's skin to turn blue! Then I read that it can cause neurological issues
 like seizures. Does anyone have any evidence to support harmful side
 effects? Any success stories? Sorry so long... Looking to forward to
 hearing from you.

 -Hollie





RE: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-01 Thread Scott Adams
Welcome to the list! I don’t have much time to respond at the moment but I am 
sure others will chime in. 5 years ago I was in a similar state myself. Now I 
have four CS generators and make it for my friends and family. We are all 
believers in its power now.

 

Scott Adams
I bet you know someone who has Chronic Lyme and doesn't realize it yet!

 http://www.lyme-resource.com www.lyme-resource.com

 

 

From: indiantadpole . [mailto:hollie.fl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 7:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSIntroduction-Hello

 

Hi everyone. I'm not sure how to make a post, hopefully this is correct. 

I would like to introduce myself. My name is Hollie, I am a cardiac nurse, a 
mom and a wife. Although I am trained and employed to work in the traditional 
medical world, I am very interested in natural cures and remedies. My family 
and I eat very healthy, and we avoid most traditional medications. A co-worker 
recommended that I buy colloidal silver when my 15 month old son got sick for 
the very first time a few weeks ago. (He began daycare several weeks before 
that..) He was diagnosed with pneumonia, strep throat and bilateral ear 
infections. I reluctantly gave him the prescribed antibiotics and I didn't look 
into the silver. Then, a few days ago, he came down with a fever again, and 
after another visit to the ped, he was diagnosed with another set of ear 
infections, and prescribed to a heavier antibiotic- Augmentin. Yesterday, I was 
beside myself, wanting to do what's best for my son, but super reluctant to go 
through a whole new course of antibiotics just 3 weeks since his Amoxicillin. I 
did some research online about the colloidal silver, and I decided to go out 
and buy some. I also picked up the Augmentin, since I have no experience with 
the silver, and I gave him both. I used drops in his ears and I gave him 1 tsp 
by mouth. I also took 1 tsp, and gave my husband several tspns, as he is also 
ill. Today I was pretty surprised to see that there just doesn't seem to be a 
lot of information out there about colloidal silver. I know that it is used in 
the ointment on newborns eyes after they are born, and also read that Nasa uses 
it to purify water. I don't doubt that it is beneficial. I am curious as to how 
beneficial. Could it be a cure for HIV//cancer? Also agraria- is this common? 
Should I be worried? Of course, I don't want my baby's skin to turn blue! Then 
I read that it can cause neurological issues like seizures. Does anyone have 
any evidence to support harmful side effects? Any success stories? Sorry so 
long... Looking to forward to hearing from you. 

 

-Hollie 

 

 



RE: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-01 Thread Walter Anderson
Victor, referring to your #3 below, how do you “use” 
CS—preventative/maintenance and/or acute/treatment? In other words, do you only 
take it when beginning to feel sick? Or do you take it routinely? When you do 
take it, how much, and how?

 

I’ve probably been overly cautious with it so far, rarely taking any more than 
a spray or two internally, though I’ve started holding some in my mouth 
(avoiding swallowing) for 15min or so occasionally. I’m curious what dosing 
method/amount you’ve used to get the results you note of avoiding/minimizing 
sickness.

Walter

 

From: Victor Cozzetto [mailto:victor.cozze...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Mon, Sep. 1, 2014 18:06
To: silver-list@eskimo.com; silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSIntroduction-Hello

 

Hello Hollie,

 

Glad you discovered CS (Colloidal Silver). Finding trusted information on the 
Internet is extremely difficult. I have countless success stories of my own, 
and there are many people on this mailing list with more knowledge and 
experience than me. Here are my answers to your questions:

 

1. There is nothing to worry about. Nobody turns blue if they have real CS. 
There are no side effects or drug interactions to worry about.

 

2. To ensure that you have good CS, I strongly recommend making your own. It is 
by far the safest and most cost effective way to get CS. I recommend 
www.silverpuppy.com http://www.silverpuppy.com  but there are other good 
devices too.

 

3. I have been using CS that I make at home for nearly ten years. My ten year 
old daughter has never missed a day of school. She had ear infections, colds, 
etc., before I started CS, but nothing more than a hint since then. My wife and 
I are never sick from work either. We can all tell if we catch something, but 
it is eradicated or marginalized immediately by the CS. We have wiped out 
infections, toe fungus, and even pet issues. Over a dozen of my family members 
now use CS, and many now have their own devices.

 

4. Cancer, HIV, etc., yes, CS can be very effective. But it does have limits. 
The most effective protocol that I have ever seen for such is the Beck 
Protocol. CS is actually an important part of the Beck Protocol. More 
information can be found at http://www.bobbeck.com.

 

My family has also had amazing experiences with the Beck Protocol. But in 
truth, CS is so incredibly effective against all pathogens that we rarely need 
it.

 

One other recommendation I would like to make is nutritional guidance from the 
Weston A. Price Foundation. The work of Dr. Price is quite profound, and yet 
almost obvious. As a medical professional I think you will find his work quite 
interesting. I highly recommend his book. Here is a link to the guidance:

 

http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/dietary-guidelines/

 

Best of luck to you. You have come to a good place for CS information.

 

Victor

On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:13 AM, indiantadpole . hollie.fl...@gmail.com 
mailto:hollie.fl...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hi everyone. I'm not sure how to make a post, hopefully this is correct. 

I would like to introduce myself. My name is Hollie, I am a cardiac nurse, a 
mom and a wife. Although I am trained and employed to work in the traditional 
medical world, I am very interested in natural cures and remedies. My family 
and I eat very healthy, and we avoid most traditional medications. A co-worker 
recommended that I buy colloidal silver when my 15 month old son got sick for 
the very first time a few weeks ago. (He began daycare several weeks before 
that..) He was diagnosed with pneumonia, strep throat and bilateral ear 
infections. I reluctantly gave him the prescribed antibiotics and I didn't look 
into the silver. Then, a few days ago, he came down with a fever again, and 
after another visit to the ped, he was diagnosed with another set of ear 
infections, and prescribed to a heavier antibiotic- Augmentin. Yesterday, I was 
beside myself, wanting to do what's best for my son, but super reluctant to go 
through a whole new course of antibiotics just 3 weeks since his Amoxicillin. I 
did some research online about the colloidal silver, and I decided to go out 
and buy some. I also picked up the Augmentin, since I have no experience with 
the silver, and I gave him both. I used drops in his ears and I gave him 1 tsp 
by mouth. I also took 1 tsp, and gave my husband several tspns, as he is also 
ill. Today I was pretty surprised to see that there just doesn't seem to be a 
lot of information out there about colloidal silver. I know that it is used in 
the ointment on newborns eyes after they are born, and also read that Nasa uses 
it to purify water. I don't doubt that it is beneficial. I am curious as to how 
beneficial. Could it be a cure for HIV//cancer? Also agraria- is this common? 
Should I be worried? Of course, I don't want my baby's skin to turn blue! Then 
I read that it can cause neurological issues like seizures. Does anyone have 
any evidence

RE: CSIntroduction-Hello

2014-09-01 Thread Neville
Hi Hollie, Welcome to the Group.  There is no doubt you have joined, in my 
opinion, the best Group for no BS down to earth information, there are no 
hidden agendas, ego's or sales pitches, only openness and honesty is to be 
found here.  However, you may find there are differing opinions and viewpoints 
on some aspects, but that's to be expected with any Group, and is healthy as 
everyone has a voice and deserves to be heard.
NASA has been using it in their space programs since the 60's.  I am led to 
believe the US Military is investigating it as we speak?  The Russians back in 
the 50's engineered Movidyn as a defence against biowarfare, it destroyed every 
germ, bacteria etc and designer poison they tried it on.  Movidyn is Colloidal 
Silver.  However, I imagine they used powdered silver back then, today we use 
the LVDC electrolysis method in the home - maximum benefit, minimal risk, 
although I maintain *Nil* risk if a modicum of common sense is used.  Why do I 
mention 'common sense'?  Guess that's my disclaimer, back covering I think it's 
called g.
Argyria?  On writing to our TGA some years ago, asking for documented cases or 
reports of *any* undesirable effects they had from the ingestion and/or use of 
the LVDC predominantly ionic silver solution, they were unable to provide any.  
Quoted plenty regarding the so called 'CS', but nothing relating to what we 
produce.  All they could provide was the same old regurgitated misinformation, 
disinformation, propaganda, innuendo and guilt by association ad nauseam 
rubbish which can be found anywhere in the public domain.
Neurological seizures?  Unless my opinions, determinations and beliefs can be 
considered 'Neurological seizures', I haven't had any in all the time I've been 
ingesting this stuff g.   Some may suggest I have a Neurological 'Disorder' 
perhaps.  I've been ingesting a small maintenance dose every morning before 
breakfast for nigh on ten years, could be longer now.
Success stories?  Yep, plenty, and from many others here as well.  Ask and ye 
shall receive g.
It is not a 'cure all', but dang it must come horribly close from my experience.
Evidence of harmful side effects?   Sorry, can't help you with this one, 
nothing to report.
How beneficial?  In my opinion efficacy is proportionate to amount ingested.  
It's not about the PPM, it's more about quality and quantity consumed, and I'm 
not talking about piddly teaspoons with the home made product, I'm talking 
about full glasses.
N.
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 20:13:35 -0400
From: hollie.fl...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSIntroduction-Hello

Hi everyone. I'm not sure how to make a post, hopefully this is correct. I 
would like to introduce myself. My name is Hollie, I am a cardiac nurse, a mom 
and a wife. Although I am trained and employed to