Re: CS>Brown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2

[Gaiacita]

Thanks Bob.  I did not know this.  Another great use for a great supplement!

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
 20,000 mg of Vit. C per hour are needed to neutralize snake venom... it
can be ingested as well as IV.
 
 

Re: CS>Brown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2

[Bob Banever]

Renee,

 20,000 mg of Vit. C per hour are needed to neutralize snake venom... it 
can be ingested as well as IV.

 Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gaiacita 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 7:13 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Brown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2


I've been talking with a lady from Australia that says an IV of vit. C 
has saved many dogs lives after getting bitten by extremely poisonous snakes 
there.  Usually these bites are fatal, so it is important to get that IV right 
away.  But I had not thought of vit. C for snake bites before.

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---

I've never been nailed by a brown recluse - yet - but have been
interested in therapies for various venomous critters since rattlers,
scorpions, black widows and some pretty nasty hornets and ants live
hereabout.  One of these therapies is a remedy for normally 100% fatal
snake bites, and for the moment I can't remember the species or the
location other than semi-tropical.   
  
   

Re: CS>Brown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2

[Ruth Bertella]

Jean,

Thank you so much for sharing your story!  Marvelous results and great 
information on 'tactics' if anyone else encounters this.  Amazing! 

Thanks again!
Ruth
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jean Baugh 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 8:22 PM
  Subject: CS>Brown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2


  Hi,

  I got sidetracked by a 'piffle' but here is the last part of the Brown
  Recluse Spider bite story.

  I had approximately 8 months to think about what to do if this ever happened
  again, so was prepared.  Even then I panicked, thinking about how much pain
  and length of time would be involved if I was wrong.

  I'd been cleaning cobwebs with a long handled brush, the exact same thing
  I'd been doing the first time.  It is a shed that builds up with spiders and
  webs because it is dry and ideal for them.  I was very careful this time, to
  make sure I didn't stand under when cleaning the webs.  I then took a letter
  to the mailbox and by the time I got back to the porch, I felt an intense
  itch, a '10' on the scale.  I pulled my jeans up and saw a glowing red
  bubble about the size of my little finger.  I ran for the house and found
  the 'Thera Pik'.  This is a 9 V battery operated gadget that will stop
  chigger bites, wasp bites etc, but is NOT recommended for spider bites.  It
  works by heat and kills the enzyme from the bites.  Since the Epsom Salts
  worked so well, considering, the first time, I rationalized it might very
  well work if you used it before the bite spread.

  I used the 'Thera Pik' and never once felt the heat, which is not a good
  sign.  When my finger got tired, I released the trigger.  There was quite an
  indention around the bite but the itching had stopped.  This was on my shin
  between my knee and instep.  By then, with the first emergency out of the
  way, I realized I had a second bite on the same leg, in the groin.  Again,
  used the 'Thera Pik' but the heat was felt after awhile, unlike the first
  bite.  I then used the 'Thera Pik' a second time on the first bite and
  finally felt some heat after awhile.

  I then used hydrogen peroxide, colloidal sliver, oil of oregano, would have
  used some ozonated olive oil but couldn't find it, then thought of bagging
  and using ozone.   I just wrapped the areas with plastic wrap and ran the
  hose under for awhile.

  Both bites felt very intense, not itchy but like a volcano might feel, about
  to erupt.  I then thought of using some bentonite clay and paper tape.  It
  felt very soothing.

  I kept the clay and paper tape going for 5 days and then quit since there
  was no reason to continue.

  If I ever have to do this again, would definitely use the 'Thera Pik", clay
  and paper tape.  Also the ozone, since I have it.

  My opinion is, the 'Thera Pik' killed the BRS enzyme and the clay soothed
  and enhanced the heat therapy.  The ozone was good insurance.

  Jean 



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Re: CS>Brown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2

[Gaiacita]

I've been talking with a lady from Australia that says an IV of vit. C has
saved many dogs lives after getting bitten by extremely poisonous snakes
there.  Usually these bites are fatal, so it is important to get that IV
right away.  But I had not thought of vit. C for snake bites before.

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
I've never been nailed by a brown recluse - yet - but have been
interested in therapies for various venomous critters since rattlers,
scorpions, black widows and some pretty nasty hornets and ants live
hereabout.  One of these therapies is a remedy for normally 100% fatal
snake bites, and for the moment I can't remember the species or the
location other than semi-tropical.  

Re: CS>Brown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2

[Smitty]

Here's some info on electric shock for bites =

http://www.echotech.org/technical/az/aztext/azch11di.htm#Elec



On 7/2/09, Malcolm  wrote:
> Hi Jean,
>
>  I've never been nailed by a brown recluse - yet - but have been
>  interested in therapies for various venomous critters since rattlers,
>  scorpions, black widows and some pretty nasty hornets and ants live
>  hereabout.  One of these therapies is a remedy for normally 100% fatal
>  snake bites, and for the moment I can't remember the species or the
>  location other than semi-tropical.  The remedy however was to apply
>  electric shock to the site of the bite - as from a lawnmower spark-plug,
>  though piezo-electric barbecue lighters, etc have also been suggested -
>  to the area of the bite.  The suggestion was that the electric ZAP
>  altered the chemistry of the venom, rendering it harmless.  So perhaps
>  the thera-pik has more to do with it than simply pain reduction?  (BTW,
>  enzymes are not alive, they're like organic facilitators for reactions,
>  but your analogy makes sense.)  If I track down the reference for the
>  info on the snake-bite thing I'll post it, seems a brief shock might
>  beat weeks of pain and tissue necrosis.
>
>  Thanks for continuing the story, never mind the piffles, they litter the
>  landscape.
>
>  Take care,
>
> Malcolm
>
>
>  On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 20:22 -0500, Jean Baugh wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > I got sidetracked by a 'piffle' but here is the last part of the Brown
>  > Recluse Spider bite story.
>  >
>  > I had approximately 8 months to think about what to do if this ever 
> happened
>  > again, so was prepared.  Even then I panicked, thinking about how much pain
>  > and length of time would be involved if I was wrong.
>  >
>  > I'd been cleaning cobwebs with a long handled brush, the exact same thing
>  > I'd been doing the first time.  It is a shed that builds up with spiders 
> and
>  > webs because it is dry and ideal for them.  I was very careful this time, 
> to
>  > make sure I didn't stand under when cleaning the webs.  I then took a 
> letter
>  > to the mailbox and by the time I got back to the porch, I felt an intense
>  > itch, a '10' on the scale.  I pulled my jeans up and saw a glowing red
>  > bubble about the size of my little finger.  I ran for the house and found
>  > the 'Thera Pik'.  This is a 9 V battery operated gadget that will stop
>  > chigger bites, wasp bites etc, but is NOT recommended for spider bites.  It
>  > works by heat and kills the enzyme from the bites.  Since the Epsom Salts
>  > worked so well, considering, the first time, I rationalized it might very
>  > well work if you used it before the bite spread.
>  >
>  > I used the 'Thera Pik' and never once felt the heat, which is not a good
>  > sign.  When my finger got tired, I released the trigger.  There was quite 
> an
>  > indention around the bite but the itching had stopped.  This was on my shin
>  > between my knee and instep.  By then, with the first emergency out of the
>  > way, I realized I had a second bite on the same leg, in the groin.  Again,
>  > used the 'Thera Pik' but the heat was felt after awhile, unlike the first
>  > bite.  I then used the 'Thera Pik' a second time on the first bite and
>  > finally felt some heat after awhile.
>  >
>  > I then used hydrogen peroxide, colloidal sliver, oil of oregano, would have
>  > used some ozonated olive oil but couldn't find it, then thought of bagging
>  > and using ozone.   I just wrapped the areas with plastic wrap and ran the
>  > hose under for awhile.
>  >
>  > Both bites felt very intense, not itchy but like a volcano might feel, 
> about
>  > to erupt.  I then thought of using some bentonite clay and paper tape.  It
>  > felt very soothing.
>  >
>  > I kept the clay and paper tape going for 5 days and then quit since there
>  > was no reason to continue.
>  >
>  > If I ever have to do this again, would definitely use the 'Thera Pik", clay
>  > and paper tape.  Also the ozone, since I have it.
>  >
>  > My opinion is, the 'Thera Pik' killed the BRS enzyme and the clay soothed
>  > and enhanced the heat therapy.  The ozone was good insurance.
>  >
>  > Jean
>  >
>  >
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Re: CS>Brown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2

[Malcolm]

Hi Jean,

I've never been nailed by a brown recluse - yet - but have been
interested in therapies for various venomous critters since rattlers,
scorpions, black widows and some pretty nasty hornets and ants live
hereabout.  One of these therapies is a remedy for normally 100% fatal
snake bites, and for the moment I can't remember the species or the
location other than semi-tropical.  The remedy however was to apply
electric shock to the site of the bite - as from a lawnmower spark-plug,
though piezo-electric barbecue lighters, etc have also been suggested -
to the area of the bite.  The suggestion was that the electric ZAP
altered the chemistry of the venom, rendering it harmless.  So perhaps
the thera-pik has more to do with it than simply pain reduction?  (BTW,
enzymes are not alive, they're like organic facilitators for reactions,
but your analogy makes sense.)  If I track down the reference for the
info on the snake-bite thing I'll post it, seems a brief shock might
beat weeks of pain and tissue necrosis.

Thanks for continuing the story, never mind the piffles, they litter the
landscape.

Take care,
Malcolm

On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 20:22 -0500, Jean Baugh wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I got sidetracked by a 'piffle' but here is the last part of the Brown
> Recluse Spider bite story.
> 
> I had approximately 8 months to think about what to do if this ever happened
> again, so was prepared.  Even then I panicked, thinking about how much pain
> and length of time would be involved if I was wrong.
> 
> I'd been cleaning cobwebs with a long handled brush, the exact same thing
> I'd been doing the first time.  It is a shed that builds up with spiders and
> webs because it is dry and ideal for them.  I was very careful this time, to
> make sure I didn't stand under when cleaning the webs.  I then took a letter
> to the mailbox and by the time I got back to the porch, I felt an intense
> itch, a '10' on the scale.  I pulled my jeans up and saw a glowing red
> bubble about the size of my little finger.  I ran for the house and found
> the 'Thera Pik'.  This is a 9 V battery operated gadget that will stop
> chigger bites, wasp bites etc, but is NOT recommended for spider bites.  It
> works by heat and kills the enzyme from the bites.  Since the Epsom Salts
> worked so well, considering, the first time, I rationalized it might very
> well work if you used it before the bite spread.
> 
> I used the 'Thera Pik' and never once felt the heat, which is not a good
> sign.  When my finger got tired, I released the trigger.  There was quite an
> indention around the bite but the itching had stopped.  This was on my shin
> between my knee and instep.  By then, with the first emergency out of the
> way, I realized I had a second bite on the same leg, in the groin.  Again,
> used the 'Thera Pik' but the heat was felt after awhile, unlike the first
> bite.  I then used the 'Thera Pik' a second time on the first bite and
> finally felt some heat after awhile.
> 
> I then used hydrogen peroxide, colloidal sliver, oil of oregano, would have
> used some ozonated olive oil but couldn't find it, then thought of bagging
> and using ozone.   I just wrapped the areas with plastic wrap and ran the
> hose under for awhile.
> 
> Both bites felt very intense, not itchy but like a volcano might feel, about
> to erupt.  I then thought of using some bentonite clay and paper tape.  It
> felt very soothing.
> 
> I kept the clay and paper tape going for 5 days and then quit since there
> was no reason to continue.
> 
> If I ever have to do this again, would definitely use the 'Thera Pik", clay
> and paper tape.  Also the ozone, since I have it.
> 
> My opinion is, the 'Thera Pik' killed the BRS enzyme and the clay soothed
> and enhanced the heat therapy.  The ozone was good insurance.
> 
> Jean 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Brown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2

[Norton, Steve]

Thank you. I am amazed you recovered from the bites so well. 
Even if it had been a MRSA bite I think what you did would have worked for that 
too. Although I have heard those MRSA bites hurt. Especially if they get 
infected. 
 - Steve N


- Original Message -
From: Jean Baugh 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thu Jul 02 20:22:05 2009
Subject: CS>Brown Recluse Spider bite-Second part of 2

Hi,

I got sidetracked by a 'piffle' but here is the last part of the Brown
Recluse Spider bite story.

I had approximately 8 months to think about what to do if this ever happened
again, so was prepared.  Even then I panicked, thinking about how much pain
and length of time would be involved if I was wrong.

I'd been cleaning cobwebs with a long handled brush, the exact same thing
I'd been doing the first time.  It is a shed that builds up with spiders and
webs because it is dry and ideal for them.  I was very careful this time, to
make sure I didn't stand under when cleaning the webs.  I then took a letter
to the mailbox and by the time I got back to the porch, I felt an intense
itch, a '10' on the scale.  I pulled my jeans up and saw a glowing red
bubble about the size of my little finger.  I ran for the house and found
the 'Thera Pik'.  This is a 9 V battery operated gadget that will stop
chigger bites, wasp bites etc, but is NOT recommended for spider bites.  It
works by heat and kills the enzyme from the bites.  Since the Epsom Salts
worked so well, considering, the first time, I rationalized it might very
well work if you used it before the bite spread.

I used the 'Thera Pik' and never once felt the heat, which is not a good
sign.  When my finger got tired, I released the trigger.  There was quite an
indention around the bite but the itching had stopped.  This was on my shin
between my knee and instep.  By then, with the first emergency out of the
way, I realized I had a second bite on the same leg, in the groin.  Again,
used the 'Thera Pik' but the heat was felt after awhile, unlike the first
bite.  I then used the 'Thera Pik' a second time on the first bite and
finally felt some heat after awhile.

I then used hydrogen peroxide, colloidal sliver, oil of oregano, would have
used some ozonated olive oil but couldn't find it, then thought of bagging
and using ozone.   I just wrapped the areas with plastic wrap and ran the
hose under for awhile.

Both bites felt very intense, not itchy but like a volcano might feel, about
to erupt.  I then thought of using some bentonite clay and paper tape.  It
felt very soothing.

I kept the clay and paper tape going for 5 days and then quit since there
was no reason to continue.

If I ever have to do this again, would definitely use the 'Thera Pik", clay
and paper tape.  Also the ozone, since I have it.

My opinion is, the 'Thera Pik' killed the BRS enzyme and the clay soothed
and enhanced the heat therapy.  The ozone was good insurance.

Jean 



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Re: CS>Brown Recluse Spider Bite Treatment - Handling OT and commercial stuff...

[Christine Carleton]

It's just one click... that's all it takes...  OT Archive:

http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html

and you can pick it up there with no other effort...

... To not distract those who want to stay on topic to CS.

CC

> From: marmar...@aol.com
> Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:37:56 EDT
> Subject: Re: CS>[List Owner] Handling OT and commercial stuff...
 
> In a message dated 5/13/04 3:29:05 PM EST, essential-liv...@telus.net writes:
> 
> << With Mike's permission, for those who have inquired about Spider bites
> I will post the recipe from the book I have seen used successfully for tick
> bites, with other insect bites, and major infections on the OT list. >>
> 
> With Mike's permission, please post it here.  I don't participate in the OT
> list.MA
> 
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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[Marshall Dudley]

Malcolm Stebbins wrote:

>  Oh Boy!! that's going to be quite a hit!  The coil gets 12 volts from
> the ignition system, and generates perhaps 200 + volts on "break" due
> to inductive kickback or field collapse; what's going to happen when
> it gets 300 + volts and then the xenon tube extinguishes and "break"
> comes for that field?  I realize the current is diminishing during the
> flash,  guess I'll have to try it to find out - but I think I'll try
> it on the spider first.
> Take care, Malcolm
>

That is incorrect. The spark coil is typically about a 50 or 100 to 1
transformer.  When used in an old automobile, the points close, and a
current builds up in the leakage inductance of the coil. This typically
generates some voltage on the secondary, but not enough to cause a
spark.  Then when the points open the field collapses with a time
constant set by the leakage inductance, and the small capacitor that is
across the points.  The result is that there is a voltage spike on the
primary of the coil or about 1,000 volts, which show up at the secondary
as a 50,000 to 100,000 volts.

If you ever put a CD ignition on an old car you would know that they use
a circuit very much like the one for the pulser, a high voltage
controlled by an scr.

Marshall

>
> At 10:56 AM 10/26/03 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>> BTW, anyone who has made a home made pulsar can easily make it to be
>> a shocker as well. Instead of connecting the magnetic coil wound on
>> a VHS spool to the unit, connect the primary of an old automobile
>> spark coil to it.  Easy, and convenient.
>>
>> Marshall
>>
>> bjh...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> > I have been told that you cannot use new automobiles to shock for
>> > venom. It will kill you.  Maybe older vehicles were OK.  We have
>> > used the spark plug wire from a 2 cylinder motor.  We hold a metal
>> > rod (with heavy welder's gloves) stuck into the spark plug cover.
>> > We stand on a few layers of corrugated boxes flattened out to keep
>> > from being grounded?  With the motor running (a welder)  I hold the
>> > rod, and my husband  gets just close enough to the rod to have it
>> > arc, or have a little electrical bolt strike his skin.  We shocked
>> > each bite, or eruption, about 10 or 15 times around them and also
>> > in the middle of them.  The man who showed us how to do this used a
>> > 2 cylinder motorcycle to shock his wife's bite with great success.
>> > My husband has waited 2 weeks to shock his.  His original bite had
>> > already cleared up.  I used CS on it, but he had several eruptions
>> > after that.  We have been told that he should have stayed down, and
>> > not been as active as he was (he played basketball several times).
>> > Have been told that it caused the poison to circulate to other
>> > sites.  He is seeing a Chiropractor who is using acupuncture, Metal
>> > cleanse, and UV light.  She cautioned against too much CS ingestion
>> > saying it can accumulate in body if not cleansed.  I was having my
>> > husband drink about 8-16 oz a day before we started to see her.
>> > She sent him to a Dr. to get some antibiotics.  The Dr. gave him a
>> > shot of Rocephin and a prescription for Keflex. He said the
>> > eruptions looked like Staph. The  eruptions seem to slowly be
>> > getting better.  He has been seeing the Chiropractor for 5 days,
>> > twice a day.  We have shocked the eruptions twice.  We haven't told
>> > the chiropractor, though.  He hasn't had any new eruptions in 5
>> > days.  Still treating 3.  They are still painful.  Thanks for the
>> > responses.  I gave my chiropractor the article on using  nitro
>> > patches.  She hasn't commented, yet.  The guy who showed us how to
>> > use the shock told me that I should have used my CS generator to
>> > shock it as soon as the  first bite started erupting.  He said to
>> > wet the area and shock it all the way around it.  I will probably
>> > try that if I get stung or bitten.  I have a homemade CS generator
>> > made with a 19v adapter.
>> >
>> > BECKY
>>
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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[Malcolm Stebbins]

Oh Boy!! that's going to be quite a hit!  The coil gets 12 volts from the 
ignition system, and generates perhaps 200 + volts on "break" due to 
inductive kickback or field collapse; what's going to happen when it gets 
300 + volts and then the xenon tube extinguishes and "break" comes for that 
field?  I realize the current is diminishing during the flash,  guess I'll 
have to try it to find out - but I think I'll try it on the spider first.

Take care, Malcolm

At 10:56 AM 10/26/03 -0500, you wrote:

BTW, anyone who has made a home made pulsar can easily make it to be a 
shocker as well. Instead of connecting the magnetic coil wound on a VHS 
spool to the unit, connect the primary of an old automobile spark coil to 
it.  Easy, and convenient.


Marshall

bjh...@aol.com wrote:
I have been told that you cannot use new automobiles to shock for venom. 
It will kill you.  Maybe older vehicles were OK.  We have used the spark 
plug wire from a 2 cylinder motor.  We hold a metal rod (with heavy 
welder's gloves) stuck into the spark plug cover.  We stand on a few 
layers of corrugated boxes flattened out to keep from being 
grounded?  With the motor running (a welder)  I hold the rod, and my 
husband  gets just close enough to the rod to have it arc, or have a 
little electrical bolt strike his skin.  We shocked each bite, or 
eruption, about 10 or 15 times around them and also in the middle of 
them.  The man who showed us how to do this used a 2 cylinder motorcycle 
to shock his wife's bite with great success.  My husband has waited 2 
weeks to shock his.  His original bite had already cleared up.  I used CS 
on it, but he had several eruptions after that.  We have been told that 
he should have stayed down, and not been as active as he was (he played 
basketball several times).  Have been told that it caused the poison to 
circulate to other sites.  He is seeing a Chiropractor who is using 
acupuncture, Metal cleanse, and UV light.  She cautioned against too much 
CS ingestion saying it can accumulate in body if not cleansed.  I was 
having my husband drink about 8-16 oz a day before we started to see 
her.  She sent him to a Dr. to get some antibiotics.  The Dr. gave him a 
shot of Rocephin and a prescription for Keflex. He said the eruptions 
looked like Staph. The  eruptions seem to slowly be getting better.  He 
has been seeing the Chiropractor for 5 days, twice a day.  We have 
shocked the eruptions twice.  We haven't told the chiropractor, 
though.  He hasn't had any new eruptions in 5 days.  Still treating 
3.  They are still painful.  Thanks for the responses.  I gave my 
chiropractor the article on using  nitro patches.  She hasn't commented, 
yet.  The guy who showed us how to use the shock told me that I should 
have used my CS generator to shock it as soon as the  first bite started 
erupting.  He said to wet the area and shock it all the way around it.  I 
will probably try that if I get stung or bitten.  I have a homemade CS 
generator made with a 19v adapter.


BECKY


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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[Marshall Dudley]

BTW, anyone who has made a home made pulsar can easily make it to be a
shocker as well. Instead of connecting the magnetic coil wound on a VHS
spool to the unit, connect the primary of an old automobile spark coil
to it.  Easy, and convenient.

Marshall

bjh...@aol.com wrote:

> I have been told that you cannot use new automobiles to shock for
> venom. It will kill you.  Maybe older vehicles were OK.  We have used
> the spark plug wire from a 2 cylinder motor.  We hold a metal rod
> (with heavy welder's gloves) stuck into the spark plug cover.  We
> stand on a few layers of corrugated boxes flattened out to keep from
> being grounded?  With the motor running (a welder)  I hold the rod,
> and my husband  gets just close enough to the rod to have it arc, or
> have a little electrical bolt strike his skin.  We shocked each bite,
> or eruption, about 10 or 15 times around them and also in the middle
> of them.  The man who showed us how to do this used a 2 cylinder
> motorcycle to shock his wife's bite with great success.  My husband
> has waited 2 weeks to shock his.  His original bite had already
> cleared up.  I used CS on it, but he had several eruptions after
> that.  We have been told that he should have stayed down, and not been
> as active as he was (he played basketball several times).  Have been
> told that it caused the poison to circulate to other sites.  He is
> seeing a Chiropractor who is using acupuncture, Metal cleanse, and UV
> light.  She cautioned against too much CS ingestion saying it can
> accumulate in body if not cleansed.  I was having my husband drink
> about 8-16 oz a day before we started to see her.  She sent him to a
> Dr. to get some antibiotics.  The Dr. gave him a shot of Rocephin and
> a prescription for Keflex. He said the eruptions looked like Staph.
> The  eruptions seem to slowly be getting better.  He has been seeing
> the Chiropractor for 5 days, twice a day.  We have shocked the
> eruptions twice.  We haven't told the chiropractor, though.  He hasn't
> had any new eruptions in 5 days.  Still treating 3.  They are still
> painful.  Thanks for the responses.  I gave my chiropractor the
> article on using  nitro patches.  She hasn't commented, yet.  The guy
> who showed us how to use the shock told me that I should have used my
> CS generator to shock it as soon as the  first bite started erupting.
> He said to wet the area and shock it all the way around it.  I will
> probably try that if I get stung or bitten.  I have a homemade CS
> generator made with a 19v adapter.
>
> BECKY

Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[BJHut1]

I have been told that you cannot use new automobiles to shock for venom. It 
will kill you.  Maybe older vehicles were OK.  We have used the spark plug wire 
from a 2 cylinder motor.  We hold a metal rod (with heavy welder's gloves) 
stuck into the spark plug cover.  We stand on a few layers of corrugated boxes 
flattened out to keep from being grounded?  With the motor running (a welder)  
I hold the rod, and my husband  gets just close enough to the rod to have it 
arc, or have a little electrical bolt strike his skin.  We shocked each bite, 
or eruption, about 10 or 15 times around them and also in the middle of them.  
The man who showed us how to do this used a 2 cylinder motorcycle to shock his 
wife's bite with great success.  My husband has waited 2 weeks to shock his.  
His original bite had already cleared up.  I used CS on it, but he had 
several eruptions after that.  We have been told that he should have stayed 
down, 
and not been as active as he was (he played basketball several times).  Have 
been told that it caused the poison to circulate to other sites.  He is seeing 
a 
Chiropractor who is using acupuncture, Metal cleanse, and UV light.  She 
cautioned against too much CS ingestion saying it can accumulate in body if not 
cleansed.  I was having my husband drink about 8-16 oz a day before we started 
to 
see her.  She sent him to a Dr. to get some antibiotics.  The Dr. gave him a 
shot of Rocephin and a prescription for Keflex. He said the eruptions looked 
like Staph. The  eruptions seem to slowly be getting better.  He has been 
seeing the Chiropractor for 5 days, twice a day.  We have shocked the eruptions 
twice.  We haven't told the chiropractor, though.  He hasn't had any new 
eruptions in 5 days.  Still treating 3.  They are still painful.  Thanks for 
the 
responses.  I gave my chiropractor the article on using  nitro patches.  She 
hasn't 
commented, yet.  The guy who showed us how to use the shock told me that I 
should have used my CS generator to shock it as soon as the  first bite started 
erupting.  He said to wet the area and shock it all the way around it.  I will 
probably try that if I get stung or bitten.  I have a homemade CS generator 
made with a 19v adapter.

BECKY

Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[Charles Sutton]

He used CS bought at health food store.  don't know what brand, but he just 
applied it on the bite frequently until it went away.  I'll get with him when 
he gets back from trip and see if any more details...
  - Original Message - 
  From: BioSil 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:39 PM
  Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


  Very interesting!   Do you have details of the how he went about the CS cure?

  Thanks!
  Y :)
- Original Message - 
From: Charles Sutton 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com ; Jack Milliorn 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:42 PM
    Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


go to http://www.highway60.com/ for update on electricity for Brown Recluse 
bite.   Back in July of 1988 Outdoor Life ran a story called "A Shocking Cure 
For Snakebite" by Larry Mueller, which I read when It came out, and have never 
forgotten.  High voltage DC current with low amps neutralizes all kinds of 
poison.  It was poo pooed for years (sound familiar) and it looks as though 
Doctors are finally finding out about it.  Well worth a look around this 
website.Just so you will know I have a friend who cured his Brown Recluse 
bite with CS.. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jack Milliorn 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:45 PM
  Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


  WhoaI never heard of using Zappers for snake venom.  I'm not sure how 
that would work since the Zappers purpose is the kill organic living things 
like parasites.  Is snake venom parasitic?  I don't think so.

  Jack
- Original Message - 
From: sol 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:55 AM
    Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


If you can find out what current and voltage is used in the electrical 
zappers used for snake venom in India, that might give you good info. I have 
not been able to find anything though (I do terrible searches!)
paula
  - Original Message - 
  From: tbass 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:08 AM
  Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


  CS Gang,

  Does anyone know what kind of minimal voltage
  applied to the bite will break down spider venom?
  I can't see many folks grabbing onto running
  automotive sparkplug wires willingly. Or zapping
  themselves with a stun gun..!! 

  Are we talking microamp currents here? The average 
  person starts to feel voltage tingles at around 40 volts 
  (depending upon skin resistance) indicating to me there is
  some current flow at this voltage level. Think this is
  enough to do the neutralizing job?

  Any knowledgeable comments..??

  Tom Bassett












  - Original Message - 
  From: "Dan Nave" 
  To: 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:56 PM
  Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


  > If a 5-9 volt wall wart will work, then a 9 volt battery will work.
  > Just hold the battery terminals on the skin with the bite between 
them.
  > The terminals should have about the right spacing.  I just wonder 
if 
  > you would have to do something to reduce the skin resistance a bit.
  > 
      > Dan
  > 
  > 
  > Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite
  > 
  >  From: Duncan Crow (view other messages by this author) 
  >  Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:06:12 
  > 
  > Electricity will break toxins. Use something like a herpes zapper 
  > or a wall wart with about 1-5 mA current and about 5-9 volts. A 
  > Beck blood electrifier works very well if you have one, but a Clark 
  > zapper probably lacks the power needed.
  > 
  > Duncan Crow
  > 
  > > Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown
  > > recluse spider bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, 
but
  > > has multiple erruptions that keep occurring every few days.  He 
has
  > > a couple that have healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is 
just
  > > starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.
  > > 
  > > Becky
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[BioSil]

Very interesting!   Do you have details of the how he went about the CS cure?

Thanks!
Y :)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Charles Sutton 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com ; Jack Milliorn 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:42 PM
  Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


  go to http://www.highway60.com/ for update on electricity for Brown Recluse 
bite.   Back in July of 1988 Outdoor Life ran a story called "A Shocking Cure 
For Snakebite" by Larry Mueller, which I read when It came out, and have never 
forgotten.  High voltage DC current with low amps neutralizes all kinds of 
poison.  It was poo pooed for years (sound familiar) and it looks as though 
Doctors are finally finding out about it.  Well worth a look around this 
website.Just so you will know I have a friend who cured his Brown Recluse 
bite with CS.. 
- Original Message - 
From: Jack Milliorn 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:45 PM
    Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


WhoaI never heard of using Zappers for snake venom.  I'm not sure how 
that would work since the Zappers purpose is the kill organic living things 
like parasites.  Is snake venom parasitic?  I don't think so.

Jack
  - Original Message - 
  From: sol 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:55 AM
  Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


  If you can find out what current and voltage is used in the electrical 
zappers used for snake venom in India, that might give you good info. I have 
not been able to find anything though (I do terrible searches!)
  paula
- Original Message - 
From: tbass 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:08 AM
    Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


CS Gang,

Does anyone know what kind of minimal voltage
applied to the bite will break down spider venom?
I can't see many folks grabbing onto running
automotive sparkplug wires willingly. Or zapping
themselves with a stun gun..!! 

Are we talking microamp currents here? The average 
person starts to feel voltage tingles at around 40 volts 
(depending upon skin resistance) indicating to me there is
some current flow at this voltage level. Think this is
enough to do the neutralizing job?

Any knowledgeable comments..??

Tom Bassett












- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Nave" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:56 PM
    Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


> If a 5-9 volt wall wart will work, then a 9 volt battery will work.
> Just hold the battery terminals on the skin with the bite between 
them.
> The terminals should have about the right spacing.  I just wonder if 
> you would have to do something to reduce the skin resistance a bit.
    > 
    > Dan
> 
> 
> Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite
> 
>  From: Duncan Crow (view other messages by this author) 
>  Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:06:12 
> 
> Electricity will break toxins. Use something like a herpes zapper 
> or a wall wart with about 1-5 mA current and about 5-9 volts. A 
> Beck blood electrifier works very well if you have one, but a Clark 
> zapper probably lacks the power needed.
> 
> Duncan Crow
> 
> > Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown
> > recluse spider bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but
> > has multiple erruptions that keep occurring every few days.  He has
> > a couple that have healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is just
> > starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.
> > 
> > Becky
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[James Holmes]

Great stuff, thanks.
 
JOH

 

<>

RE: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[James Holmes]

It is well known that low amp high voltage will break down some snake venom.
It is common in Africa to take one plug wire off an Outboard Motor and stick
it on the bite. This is a much higher voltage than zappers, but maybe the
right frequency of lower voltage will work too.
 
JOH

-Original Message-
From: Jack Milliorn [mailto:jack.m...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:45 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


WhoaI never heard of using Zappers for snake venom.  I'm not sure how
that would work since the Zappers purpose is the kill organic living things
like parasites.  Is snake venom parasitic?  I don't think so.
 
Jack

- Original Message - 
From: sol <mailto:pcar...@wyoming.com>  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

If you can find out what current and voltage is used in the electrical
zappers used for snake venom in India, that might give you good info. I have
not been able to find anything though (I do terrible searches!)
paula

- Original Message - 
From: tbass <mailto:t.bass...@verizon.net>  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

CS Gang,

Does anyone know what kind of minimal voltage
applied to the bite will break down spider venom?
I can't see many folks grabbing onto running
automotive sparkplug wires willingly. Or zapping
themselves with a stun gun..!! 

Are we talking microamp currents here? The average 
person starts to feel voltage tingles at around 40 volts 
(depending upon skin resistance) indicating to me there is
some current flow at this voltage level. Think this is
enough to do the neutralizing job?

Any knowledgeable comments..??

Tom Bassett












- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Nave" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


> If a 5-9 volt wall wart will work, then a 9 volt battery will work.
> Just hold the battery terminals on the skin with the bite between them.
> The terminals should have about the right spacing.  I just wonder if 
> you would have to do something to reduce the skin resistance a bit.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite
> 
>  From: Duncan Crow (view other messages by this author) 
>  Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:06:12 
> 
> Electricity will break toxins. Use something like a herpes zapper 
> or a wall wart with about 1-5 mA current and about 5-9 volts. A 
> Beck blood electrifier works very well if you have one, but a Clark 
> zapper probably lacks the power needed.
> 
> Duncan Crow
> 
> > Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown
> > recluse spider bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but
> > has multiple erruptions that keep occurring every few days.  He has
> > a couple that have healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is just
> > starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.
> > 
> > Becky
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[Charles Sutton]

go to http://www.highway60.com/ for update on electricity for Brown Recluse 
bite.   Back in July of 1988 Outdoor Life ran a story called "A Shocking Cure 
For Snakebite" by Larry Mueller, which I read when It came out, and have never 
forgotten.  High voltage DC current with low amps neutralizes all kinds of 
poison.  It was poo pooed for years (sound familiar) and it looks as though 
Doctors are finally finding out about it.  Well worth a look around this 
website.Just so you will know I have a friend who cured his Brown Recluse 
bite with CS.. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jack Milliorn 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:45 PM
  Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


  WhoaI never heard of using Zappers for snake venom.  I'm not sure how 
that would work since the Zappers purpose is the kill organic living things 
like parasites.  Is snake venom parasitic?  I don't think so.

  Jack
- Original Message - 
From: sol 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:55 AM
    Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


If you can find out what current and voltage is used in the electrical 
zappers used for snake venom in India, that might give you good info. I have 
not been able to find anything though (I do terrible searches!)
paula
  - Original Message - 
  From: tbass 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:08 AM
  Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


  CS Gang,

  Does anyone know what kind of minimal voltage
  applied to the bite will break down spider venom?
  I can't see many folks grabbing onto running
  automotive sparkplug wires willingly. Or zapping
  themselves with a stun gun..!! 

  Are we talking microamp currents here? The average 
  person starts to feel voltage tingles at around 40 volts 
  (depending upon skin resistance) indicating to me there is
  some current flow at this voltage level. Think this is
  enough to do the neutralizing job?

  Any knowledgeable comments..??

  Tom Bassett












  - Original Message - 
  From: "Dan Nave" 
  To: 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:56 PM
      Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


  > If a 5-9 volt wall wart will work, then a 9 volt battery will work.
  > Just hold the battery terminals on the skin with the bite between them.
  > The terminals should have about the right spacing.  I just wonder if 
  > you would have to do something to reduce the skin resistance a bit.
  > 
      > Dan
  > 
  > 
  > Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite
  > 
  >  From: Duncan Crow (view other messages by this author) 
  >  Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:06:12 
  > 
  > Electricity will break toxins. Use something like a herpes zapper 
  > or a wall wart with about 1-5 mA current and about 5-9 volts. A 
  > Beck blood electrifier works very well if you have one, but a Clark 
  > zapper probably lacks the power needed.
  > 
  > Duncan Crow
  > 
  > > Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown
  > > recluse spider bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but
  > > has multiple erruptions that keep occurring every few days.  He has
  > > a couple that have healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is just
  > > starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.
  > > 
  > > Becky
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[Robert Berger]

Jack,

foreign missionaries have used the vlotage from an automoble prk pug
wire to kill snake venom.

Most serious hunters know the same thing.

"Ole Bob"


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RE: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[Rob Combis]

Here is a couple of articles I found on using electricity on snake bites. 
 
http://www.sabramsmd.com/brs/brs_lancet.html
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-forum/message/102
 
 

-Original Message- 
From: Jack Milliorn [mailto:jack.m...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Wed 10/22/2003 2:45 PM 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


WhoaI never heard of using Zappers for snake venom.  I'm not sure 
how that would work since the Zappers purpose is the kill organic living things 
like parasites.  Is snake venom parasitic?  I don't think so.
 
Jack

- Original Message - 
From: sol <mailto:pcar...@wyoming.com>  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:55 AM
            Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

If you can find out what current and voltage is used in the 
electrical zappers used for snake venom in India, that might give you good 
info. I have not been able to find anything though (I do terrible searches!)
paula

- Original Message - 
From: tbass <mailto:t.bass...@verizon.net>  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:08 AM
            Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

CS Gang,

Does anyone know what kind of minimal voltage
applied to the bite will break down spider venom?
I can't see many folks grabbing onto running
automotive sparkplug wires willingly. Or zapping
themselves with a stun gun..!! 

Are we talking microamp currents here? The average 
person starts to feel voltage tingles at around 40 
volts 
(depending upon skin resistance) indicating to me there 
is
some current flow at this voltage level. Think this is
enough to do the neutralizing job?

Any knowledgeable comments..??

Tom Bassett












- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Nave" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:56 PM
        Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


> If a 5-9 volt wall wart will work, then a 9 volt 
battery will work.
> Just hold the battery terminals on the skin with the 
bite between them.
> The terminals should have about the right spacing.  I 
just wonder if 
> you would have to do something to reduce the skin 
resistance a bit.
> 
> Dan
        > 
        > 
> Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite
> 
>  From: Duncan Crow (view other messages by this 
author) 
>  Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:06:12 
> 
> Electricity will break toxins. Use something like a 
herpes zapper 
> or a wall wart with about 1-5 mA current and about 
5-9 volts. A 
> Beck blood electrifier works very well if you have 
one, but a Clark 
> zapper probably lacks the power needed.
> 
> Duncan Crow
> 
> > Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins 
from a brown
> > recluse spider bite?  My husband has been bitten at 
least once, but
> > has multiple erruptions that keep occurring every 
few days.  He has
> > a couple that have healed, one that is pretty bad, 
one that is just
> > starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.
> > 
> > Becky
> 
> 
  

Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[d.linen]

An electrical shock of some sort or intensity is what may work with
poisonous venom. I don't think a regular zapper would work at all since
they do not shock.

DL


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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[Jack Milliorn]

WhoaI never heard of using Zappers for snake venom.  I'm not sure how that 
would work since the Zappers purpose is the kill organic living things like 
parasites.  Is snake venom parasitic?  I don't think so.

Jack
  - Original Message - 
  From: sol 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:55 AM
  Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


  If you can find out what current and voltage is used in the electrical 
zappers used for snake venom in India, that might give you good info. I have 
not been able to find anything though (I do terrible searches!)
  paula
- Original Message - 
From: tbass 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:08 AM
    Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


CS Gang,

Does anyone know what kind of minimal voltage
applied to the bite will break down spider venom?
I can't see many folks grabbing onto running
automotive sparkplug wires willingly. Or zapping
themselves with a stun gun..!! 

Are we talking microamp currents here? The average 
person starts to feel voltage tingles at around 40 volts 
(depending upon skin resistance) indicating to me there is
some current flow at this voltage level. Think this is
enough to do the neutralizing job?

Any knowledgeable comments..??

Tom Bassett












- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Nave" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:56 PM
    Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


> If a 5-9 volt wall wart will work, then a 9 volt battery will work.
> Just hold the battery terminals on the skin with the bite between them.
> The terminals should have about the right spacing.  I just wonder if 
> you would have to do something to reduce the skin resistance a bit.
    > 
    > Dan
> 
> 
> Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite
> 
>  From: Duncan Crow (view other messages by this author) 
>  Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:06:12 
> 
> Electricity will break toxins. Use something like a herpes zapper 
> or a wall wart with about 1-5 mA current and about 5-9 volts. A 
> Beck blood electrifier works very well if you have one, but a Clark 
> zapper probably lacks the power needed.
> 
> Duncan Crow
> 
> > Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown
> > recluse spider bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but
> > has multiple erruptions that keep occurring every few days.  He has
> > a couple that have healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is just
> > starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.
> > 
> > Becky
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[sol]

If you can find out what current and voltage is used in the electrical zappers 
used for snake venom in India, that might give you good info. I have not been 
able to find anything though (I do terrible searches!)
paula
  - Original Message - 
  From: tbass 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:08 AM
  Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


  CS Gang,

  Does anyone know what kind of minimal voltage
  applied to the bite will break down spider venom?
  I can't see many folks grabbing onto running
  automotive sparkplug wires willingly. Or zapping
  themselves with a stun gun..!! 

  Are we talking microamp currents here? The average 
  person starts to feel voltage tingles at around 40 volts 
  (depending upon skin resistance) indicating to me there is
  some current flow at this voltage level. Think this is
  enough to do the neutralizing job?

  Any knowledgeable comments..??

  Tom Bassett












  - Original Message - 
  From: "Dan Nave" 
  To: 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:56 PM
  Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


  > If a 5-9 volt wall wart will work, then a 9 volt battery will work.
  > Just hold the battery terminals on the skin with the bite between them.
  > The terminals should have about the right spacing.  I just wonder if 
  > you would have to do something to reduce the skin resistance a bit.
  > 
  > Dan
  > 
  > 
  > Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite
  > 
  >  From: Duncan Crow (view other messages by this author) 
  >  Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:06:12 
  > 
  > Electricity will break toxins. Use something like a herpes zapper 
  > or a wall wart with about 1-5 mA current and about 5-9 volts. A 
  > Beck blood electrifier works very well if you have one, but a Clark 
  > zapper probably lacks the power needed.
  > 
  > Duncan Crow
  > 
  > > Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown
  > > recluse spider bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but
  > > has multiple erruptions that keep occurring every few days.  He has
  > > a couple that have healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is just
  > > starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.
  > > 
  > > Becky
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[David S Osborne]

i dont have experience with bites- never thought of it- but i have
experience with different models of the violet ray [old vs current (no
pun)] but they all put out over 10 kv i believe- quite low current but
depending on adjustment and other things, they can get your attention.

i would not hesitate to try it- almost wanta go get a bite to try it! 
"almost"

also, what about a laser pointer???  Since someone mentioned 'em on here
i have had great results with various kindza skin probs.
davido

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:08:28 -0400 "tbass" 
writes:
> CS Gang,
> 
> Does anyone know what kind of minimal voltage
> applied to the bite will break down spider venom?
> I can't see many folks grabbing onto running
> automotive sparkplug wires willingly. Or zapping
> themselves with a stun gun..!! 
> 
> Are we talking microamp currents here? The average 
> person starts to feel voltage tingles at around 40 volts 
> (depending upon skin resistance) indicating to me there is
> some current flow at this voltage level. Think this is
> enough to do the neutralizing job?
> 
> Any knowledgeable comments..??
> 
> Tom Bassett
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message - 
> From: "Dan Nave" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite
> 
> 
> > If a 5-9 volt wall wart will work, then a 9 volt battery will 
> work.
> > Just hold the battery terminals on the skin with the bite between 
> them.
> > The terminals should have about the right spacing.  I just wonder 
> if 
> > you would have to do something to reduce the skin resistance a 
> bit.
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > 
> > Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite
> > 
> >  From: Duncan Crow (view other messages by this author) 
> >  Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:06:12 
> > 
> > Electricity will break toxins. Use something like a herpes zapper 
> 
> > or a wall wart with about 1-5 mA current and about 5-9 volts. A 
> > Beck blood electrifier works very well if you have one, but a 
> Clark 
> > zapper probably lacks the power needed.
> > 
> > Duncan Crow
> > 
> > > Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown
> > > recluse spider bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, 
> but
> > > has multiple erruptions that keep occurring every few days.  He 
> has
> > > a couple that have healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is 
> just
> > > starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.
> > > 
> > > Becky
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[tbass]

CS Gang,

Does anyone know what kind of minimal voltage
applied to the bite will break down spider venom?
I can't see many folks grabbing onto running
automotive sparkplug wires willingly. Or zapping
themselves with a stun gun..!! 

Are we talking microamp currents here? The average 
person starts to feel voltage tingles at around 40 volts 
(depending upon skin resistance) indicating to me there is
some current flow at this voltage level. Think this is
enough to do the neutralizing job?

Any knowledgeable comments..??

Tom Bassett












- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Nave" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


> If a 5-9 volt wall wart will work, then a 9 volt battery will work.
> Just hold the battery terminals on the skin with the bite between them.
> The terminals should have about the right spacing.  I just wonder if 
> you would have to do something to reduce the skin resistance a bit.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite
> 
>  From: Duncan Crow (view other messages by this author) 
>  Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:06:12 
> 
> Electricity will break toxins. Use something like a herpes zapper 
> or a wall wart with about 1-5 mA current and about 5-9 volts. A 
> Beck blood electrifier works very well if you have one, but a Clark 
> zapper probably lacks the power needed.
> 
> Duncan Crow
> 
> > Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown
> > recluse spider bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but
> > has multiple erruptions that keep occurring every few days.  He has
> > a couple that have healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is just
> > starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.
> > 
> > Becky
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[David S Osborne]

.ref below, how bout an ol violet ray??
davido



Legend has it that a high voltage low amperage ZAP will neutralize the
venom.

Feel like having fun knocking hubby to his knees?


Try a 20k volt stunner on him?


Ode


At 05:09 PM 10/20/2003 EDT, you wrote: 



ArialCould anyone tell me how to
neutralize the toxins from a brown recluse spider bite?  My husband has
been bitten at least once, but has multiple erruptions that keep
occurring every few days.  He has a couple that have healed, one that is
pretty bad, one that is just starting to get sore.  Thanks for any
advise.


Becky





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arial





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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[Dan Nave]

If a 5-9 volt wall wart will work, then a 9 volt battery will work.
Just hold the battery terminals on the skin with the bite between them.
The terminals should have about the right spacing.  I just wonder if 
you would have to do something to reduce the skin resistance a bit.

Dan


Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

 From: Duncan Crow (view other messages by this author) 
 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:06:12 

Electricity will break toxins. Use something like a herpes zapper 
or a wall wart with about 1-5 mA current and about 5-9 volts. A 
Beck blood electrifier works very well if you have one, but a Clark 
zapper probably lacks the power needed.

Duncan Crow

> Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown
> recluse spider bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but
> has multiple erruptions that keep occurring every few days.  He has
> a couple that have healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is just
> starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.
> 
> Becky





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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[d.linen]

I saw a movie on tv a few weeks back where a guy was bitten by a
rattlesnake and the other guy took jumper cables from the back of the
car and hooked them to the battery and 'zapped' the first guy with them. 

Ode Coyote wrote:
> 
> Legend has it that a high voltage low amperage ZAP will neutralize the venom.
> Feel like having fun knocking hubby to his knees?
> 
> Try a 20k volt stunner on him?
> 
> Ode
> 
> At 05:09 PM 10/20/2003 EDT, you wrote:
> 
> 
>  Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown recluse 
> spider bite? My husband has been bitten at least once, but has multiple 
> erruptions that keep occurring every few days. He has a couple that have 
> healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is just starting to get sore. Thanks 
> for any advise.
> 
>  Becky
> 
> 
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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[Ode Coyote]

 Legend has it that a high voltage low amperage ZAP will neutralize the venom.
Feel like having fun knocking hubby to his knees?

Try a 20k volt stunner on him?

Ode

At 05:09 PM 10/20/2003 EDT, you wrote: 

Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown recluse spider bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but has multiple erruptions that keep occurring every few days.  He has a couple that have healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is just starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.

Becky









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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[tomy thomson]

I use my home made Zapper on spider bites with great
success.
 --- bjh...@aol.com wrote: > Could anyone tell me how
to neutralize the toxins
> from a brown recluse spider 
> bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but
> has multiple erruptions 
> that keep occurring every few days.  He has a couple
> that have healed, one 
> that is pretty bad, one that is just starting to get
> sore.  Thanks for any 
> advise.
> 
> Becky
> 
> 
> 
>  

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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[David Bearrow]

My brother-in-law was bitten on the hand by a brown recluse. He waited a 
day to tell me. By the time he came to me his hand had swollen so bad he 
could no longer make a fist. I immediately applied a calcium bentonite clay 
hydrated with 10 ppm colloidal silver as a poultice to the bite about an 
inch thick and covering the entire back of his hand. We then wrapped it and 
secured it with an ace bandage. We changed the clay twice a day for 3 days. 
By day 3 the swelling had gone completely away and you could only see 2 
small white marks where the fangs had hit him. He suffered no necrosis.


At 04:50 PM 10/20/03, you wrote:

Hi Becky,

Although I have never seen the treatment, I have been informed by two 
users that utilizing healing clay poultices on the area greatly assist 
recovery.


Hydrating the healing clay with CS is even a better idea; I've seen rapid 
responses with other types of bites.


The treatment must be utilized as often as possible...  Dressings changed 
about 3 times daily.  It is far better if one has some prepared and 
utilizes it immediately upon being bitten; switching between utilizing the 
clay and CS directly to the area.


If you'd like to learn more about the art of healing clays, feel free to 
visit our not-for-profit website:

http://www.eytonsearth.org

Best Regards,

Jason

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Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:09 PM
Subject: cs>brown recluse spider bite

Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown recluse 
spider bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but has multiple 
erruptions that keep occurring every few days.  He has a couple that have 
healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is just starting to get 
sore.  Thanks for any advise.


Becky




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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[Duncan Crow]

Electricity will break toxins. Use something like a herpes zapper 
or a wall wart with about 1-5 mA current and about 5-9 volts. A 
Beck blood electrifier works very well if you have one, but a Clark 
zapper probably lacks the power needed.

Duncan Crow

> Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown
> recluse spider bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but
> has multiple erruptions that keep occurring every few days.  He has
> a couple that have healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is just
> starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.
> 
> Becky



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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Becky,

Although I have never seen the treatment, I have been informed by two users 
that utilizing healing clay poultices on the area greatly assist recovery.

Hydrating the healing clay with CS is even a better idea; I've seen rapid 
responses with other types of bites.

The treatment must be utilized as often as possible...  Dressings changed about 
3 times daily.  It is far better if one has some prepared and utilizes it 
immediately upon being bitten; switching between utilizing the clay and CS 
directly to the area.

If you'd like to learn more about the art of healing clays, feel free to visit 
our not-for-profit website:
http://www.eytonsearth.org

Best Regards,

Jason

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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:09 PM
  Subject: cs>brown recluse spider bite


  Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown recluse spider 
bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but has multiple erruptions 
that keep occurring every few days.  He has a couple that have healed, one that 
is pretty bad, one that is just starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.

  Becky





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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[mamapug]

  When I was bitten twice on the face several years ago, I was already taking 
CS daily. Once I realized they  were not  zits, I began to put CS directly on 
the bites. I eventually got black scabs which, once they fell off, left a pit 
in the skin, but I can live with that!
  I was in Vallejo, CA, and the spider lived behind my pillows on the wall next 
to the bed. Arrgghh!
  Marshalee


  Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown recluse spider 
bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but has multiple erruptions 
that keep occurring every few days.  He has a couple that have healed, one that 
is pretty bad, one that is just starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.

  Becky