Re: [RCSE] This must be a very basic question about recievers
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 12:23:27AM -, ufferdamman wrote: | I am just getting into aileron planes and have a bunch of FMA m-5's | sitting around. Question: Can channel assignments be changed so I | can use this rx with a aileron wing? Very few receivers let you change channel assignments, beyond what you can do by plugging servos into different slots. You say you have a Stylus transmitter -- I don't know anything about them specifically, but if your aileron/flaperon mix is set to use only channels 1 and 6 and that can't be changed, it's not going to work with the M5, unless you can make some custom mixes to replace the standard flaperon mix. (Some of the Berg receivers I think use channels 1-4 and 6, which is probably what you're thinking of.) The Futaba 9C lets you use channels 1 and 5 for the flaperon mix, or channels 1 and 6. Nice feature ... If you don't need differntial ailerons or flaperons, you could just put the two aileron servos on a Y connector, and just set the linkages (or reverse a servo, either with an in-line reverser or by opening the servo and swapping some wires) so that this works. Another option is to put a two channel mixer (like you'd use on a plane with elevons or a V-tail and no computer radio) into the plane, on channels 1 and 5, with the outputs to the two ailerons. Set up correctly, you'd not need any mixes in your radio, and channel 1 would be ailerons and channel 5 would be flaps/spoilers (really flaperons or spoilerons ...) | If not what are the best small/light 8 channel rx's these days? | Berg's?? I am flying DLG's Berg and FMA both make some excellent ones. The Polk Hobbies Seeker 6 might work well too, as would the Sombra Shadow 3. They only give six and seven channels respectively, but that's enough, and they're synthesized. (And you could always make me a deal on the M5s :) -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is always one item on the screen menu that is mislabeled and should read "ABANDON HOPE ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE". RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] 4 sale at OVSS Bob Steele Mem
For anyone coming to OVSS#2 Bob Steele Memorial on sun I will be bringing two planes 4 sale Pike Superior V-tail Yellow, Red trim all JR 368 never crashed , comes with extra tail 95%+ condition $1300 2M Frazer almost new 141on flaps, 341on alerions, Fut S133 R-E $425 Jerry Shape RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] OVSS #2
BTW, Is the field open Friday afternoon for fun fly and practice? Barring no T-storms. Steve At 07:19 AM 6/9/2005, Denny Zech wrote: Don't forget this weekend we have Bob Steele Memorial (OVSS #2) in fort wayne. We will be at Salomon farm off of Dupont Road. I will have the grill cooking both days for lunch. Pilots meeting 9:00 a.m. fort wayne time, with first flight at 9:30. http://www.loftrc.org/steele/flier.html If your looking for something to do after the contest, Germanfest in downtown with a large food and beer tent and live music is always fun, both friday and saturday night. Call if you have any questions, or are running late and need to register. Denny Zech LSF II 260-433-1403 cell RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Contest Cosmo WAS: JR Aero tow Reply
Ron, That really does put into perspective. In the past 4 years (or something) of doing HL at the NATS only one year we did not have either severe thunderstorms, driving cold rain, or 20+ mph winds. Sometimes we had all three. And here I thought it was the Marc Gellart curse. :-) I'm in the wrong state... California Dreaming Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 08:57 PM 6/9/2005, Ron Scharck wrote: Steve: It really isn't fair to compare the NATS HLG event to the IHLGF. They are two entirely different cats. I use to attend the NATS on a regular basis, competing in most of the events, and I loved every single one of them. The LSF guys do a great job (in cooperation with AMA) of putting on a host of soaring events, most of which are very demanding from a personnel standpoint; and they only have a week to in which to cram all those events. I know that I am not telling you, or anyone else who reads this and has actually been to the Soaring NATS, anything new. In real estate, something I have a passing knowledge of, the three key words are: LOCATION! LOCATION! LOCATION! The IHLGF has that in spades. When someone plans to come to the IHLGF, they can be assured of four things which few other locations can boast...and they all have to do with being located in Southern California: 1. Great weather, relatively speaking; 2. Great flying conditions (if you don't mind a dirt field); 3. A large contingent of very talented pilots; and, 4. One of the top tourist destinations in the world. In all of the years (12) the IHLGF has been held, there has only been two delays of starting the contest on time. Both had to do with an early morning misting. There has always been 6 rounds flown on Saturday and seven (including the fly-offs) rounds flown on Sunday. Those are the basic reasons why the IHLGF has been able to be as successful as it has been. Just the dumb luck of being in the right place at the right time! Ron Ron Scharck, Registrar IHLGF 2005 6005 Hidden Valley Road, Ste. 200 San Diego, CA 92009 Direct - 760-496-7987 E-mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:59 PM To: Ron Scharck Cc: Lex Mierop; 'James V. Bacus'; soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Contest Cosmo WAS: JR Aero tow Reply The sad part is, the NATS will be lucky to get 22 from not much more than 9 states for HLG. Steve SOAR LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Contest Cosmo WAS: JR Aero tow Reply
One other thing Ron. You do a good job of promoting the event. And the Nats suffers from just the opposite on the weather. There were many years when soaring was stuck in the last week of July. By the last week in July, Muncie is usually hot and humid. Of course, every time I have been to San Diego, I have managed to get some of the not great weather. It's just not right to get hot and humid and thunderstorms in San Diego. Ron Scharck wrote: Steve: It really isn't fair to compare the NATS HLG event to the IHLGF. They are two entirely different cats. I use to attend the NATS on a regular basis, competing in most of the events, and I loved every single one of them. The LSF guys do a great job (in cooperation with AMA) of putting on a host of soaring events, most of which are very demanding from a personnel standpoint; and they only have a week to in which to cram all those events. I know that I am not telling you, or anyone else who reads this and has actually been to the Soaring NATS, anything new. In real estate, something I have a passing knowledge of, the three key words are: LOCATION! LOCATION! LOCATION! The IHLGF has that in spades. When someone plans to come to the IHLGF, they can be assured of four things which few other locations can boast...and they all have to do with being located in Southern California: 1. Great weather, relatively speaking; 2. Great flying conditions (if you don't mind a dirt field); 3. A large contingent of very talented pilots; and, 4. One of the top tourist destinations in the world. In all of the years (12) the IHLGF has been held, there has only been two delays of starting the contest on time. Both had to do with an early morning misting. There has always been 6 rounds flown on Saturday and seven (including the fly-offs) rounds flown on Sunday. Those are the basic reasons why the IHLGF has been able to be as successful as it has been. Just the dumb luck of being in the right place at the right time! Ron Ron Scharck, Registrar IHLGF 2005 6005 Hidden Valley Road, Ste. 200 San Diego, CA 92009 Direct - 760-496-7987 E-mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:59 PM To: Ron Scharck Cc: Lex Mierop; 'James V. Bacus'; soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Contest Cosmo WAS: JR Aero tow Reply The sad part is, the NATS will be lucky to get 22 from not much more than 9 states for HLG. Steve SOAR LSF IV At 08:44 PM 6/8/2005, Ron Scharck wrote: Lex: You left out a couple of countries that added to the "cosmopolitan" atmosphere of the IHLGF; France and Taiwan. Altogether we had 94 registered pilots at the IHLGF 2005 representing seven countries and 15 states. Not bad for a hand launch glider contest. We will get ol' Jim down here one of these days:) Ron -Original Message- From: Lex Mierop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:52 PM To: 'James V. Bacus'; soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] JR Aero tow Reply Shows that you've never been to the IHLGF. We had Englanders and Brazilians, Japanese & Kiwis. Also Yankees, Good ol' Southern Boys, Texans, Midwesterners and them funny guys from north of here that don't seem to know what that big yellow thing is in the sky... :-) :-) :-) -l -Original Message- From: James V. Bacus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:57 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] JR Aero tow Reply Nice write up Jack, there was a guy from Canada as well. And of course the two guys from Japan doing the video show. I would say it was the most cosmopolitan event I have ever been to. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format . RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Contest Cosmo WAS: JR Aero tow Reply
Steve: It really isn't fair to compare the NATS HLG event to the IHLGF. They are two entirely different cats. I use to attend the NATS on a regular basis, competing in most of the events, and I loved every single one of them. The LSF guys do a great job (in cooperation with AMA) of putting on a host of soaring events, most of which are very demanding from a personnel standpoint; and they only have a week to in which to cram all those events. I know that I am not telling you, or anyone else who reads this and has actually been to the Soaring NATS, anything new. In real estate, something I have a passing knowledge of, the three key words are: LOCATION! LOCATION! LOCATION! The IHLGF has that in spades. When someone plans to come to the IHLGF, they can be assured of four things which few other locations can boast...and they all have to do with being located in Southern California: 1. Great weather, relatively speaking; 2. Great flying conditions (if you don't mind a dirt field); 3. A large contingent of very talented pilots; and, 4. One of the top tourist destinations in the world. In all of the years (12) the IHLGF has been held, there has only been two delays of starting the contest on time. Both had to do with an early morning misting. There has always been 6 rounds flown on Saturday and seven (including the fly-offs) rounds flown on Sunday. Those are the basic reasons why the IHLGF has been able to be as successful as it has been. Just the dumb luck of being in the right place at the right time! Ron Ron Scharck, Registrar IHLGF 2005 6005 Hidden Valley Road, Ste. 200 San Diego, CA 92009 Direct - 760-496-7987 E-mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:59 PM To: Ron Scharck Cc: Lex Mierop; 'James V. Bacus'; soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Contest Cosmo WAS: JR Aero tow Reply The sad part is, the NATS will be lucky to get 22 from not much more than 9 states for HLG. Steve SOAR LSF IV At 08:44 PM 6/8/2005, Ron Scharck wrote: >Lex: You left out a couple of countries that added to the "cosmopolitan" >atmosphere of the IHLGF; France and Taiwan. Altogether we had 94 registered >pilots at the IHLGF 2005 representing seven countries and 15 states. Not bad >for a hand launch glider contest. We will get ol' Jim down here one of >these days:) > >Ron > > >-Original Message- >From: Lex Mierop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:52 PM >To: 'James V. Bacus'; soaring@airage.com >Subject: RE: [RCSE] JR Aero tow Reply > >Shows that you've never been to the IHLGF. We had Englanders and >Brazilians, Japanese & Kiwis. Also Yankees, Good ol' Southern Boys, Texans, >Midwesterners and them funny guys from north of here that don't seem to know >what that big yellow thing is in the sky... > >:-) :-) :-) > > -l > >-Original Message- >From: James V. Bacus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:57 PM >To: soaring@airage.com >Subject: Re: [RCSE] JR Aero tow Reply > > >Nice write up Jack, there was a guy from Canada as well. And of course the >two guys from Japan doing the video show. > >I would say it was the most cosmopolitan event I have ever been to. > >Jim >Downers Grove, IL >Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR >AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] This must be a very basic question about recievers
You cannot change channel assignments with the 8U. The 8U super and the 9C have a function that allows the second aileron to be output to channel 5 but not the regular 8U. You can still use the 8U for a flaperon DLG model with a five channel reciever you just need to use a PMIX for the second aileron and accept that the aileron trim will not work quite right on the second aileron. I use FMA Quantum 8 recievers in all my DLG models and Futaba 8U transmitters. The Quantums are plenty light enough and allow for "natural" programming on the 8U. here are some links of interest to help with the programming; Assuming that you have an 8U and not an 8U super transmitter; http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348483 Post number 5 For an 8U super or a 9C this should do the trick; http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=365971 Posts 8 &10 More useful Futaba DLG programming tips nere; http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375795 Phil - Original Message - From: "ufferdamman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: [RCSE] This must be a very basic question about recievers I am just getting into aileron planes and have a bunch of FMA m-5's sitting around. Question: Can channel assignments be changed so I can use this rx with a aileron wing? If not what are the best small/light 8 channel rx's these days? Berg's?? I am flying DLG's Thanks, Thomas RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] This must be a very basic question about recievers
"ufferdamman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I am just getting into aileron planes and have a bunch of FMA m-5's >sitting around. Question: Can channel assignments be changed so I >can >use this rx with a aileron wing? If not what are the best >small/light >8 channel rx's these days? Berg's?? I am flying DLG's Channel assignments depend upon your transmitter, not your receiver. Nobody can answer your first question unless they know what kind of radio you have. Mike -- Winch Solenoid Safety Buzzer - http://www.vvsss.com/buzzer/ _ \__|__/ (O) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Polecat Challenge/Silent Auction
Dudes and Dudettes The Polecat Challenge is shaping up to be a dandy this year. Sheldon from Ynt Udesign has made it extra special by making this dandy offer. Sheldon at YNT Udesign has provided another Alti-2 with a very special purpose. This Alti-2 will be sold by silent auction. Bids may be submitted directly to me at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> minimum bid is $100. This is a $150 peice of equipment and is donated for the auction by Sheldon with 100% of the proceeds going to the "turnaround troll" fund for the LSF/AMA Soaring NATS. For those of you that are not familiar with the NATS format, the winch lines are shagged by kids who work from very early in the morning till competition is over every day, out in the Indiana sun and heat which can be brutal. These kids get paid a very few dollars and lunch from donations by competitors without complaint, Both my boys have done this job and Sheldon trys his darndest to keep these guys and girls happy. This year he'd like to do something special for them like rent them some play time on the slick track one evening. Guys, this is a great idea and the kids deserve it. I've been in Muncie when the sun is beating down and I'm hiding in the shade but the rounds tick off like clockwork due in large part to the hard work of these kids. Matter of fact, if someone has the gumption to bid this critter to $200, I'll throw in a $100 gift certificate to Polecat Aero!!! Now if it goes over $200 your bidding on $250 worth of stuff!! REMEMBER, every penny will go to the kids, not even shipping will be taken out! Support your local "turnaround troll" Internet bidding will end at noon saturday june 18th and just before the raffle at the contest on sunday Denny Maize Polecat Aero 717-789-0146 www.polecataero.com
[RCSE] Question below- I use a stylus transmitter (nt)
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[RCSE] This must be a very basic question about recievers
I am just getting into aileron planes and have a bunch of FMA m-5's sitting around. Question: Can channel assignments be changed so I can use this rx with a aileron wing? If not what are the best small/light 8 channel rx's these days? Berg's?? I am flying DLG's Thanks, Thomas RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] pop offs...not good, rule worse
Well said, Ed. This might be longer, but typing with my left index finger becomes a bit tedious about now... Jack Womack --- Ed Jett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Being a sport pilot for almost all of my soaring > career, and only recently > having participated in contests and finishing close > to the bottom, let me > say that I truly do understand the need for folks to > be competitive and that > competition and practice for competitions does make > one a better pilot and > at a faster pace than just sport flying will > achieve. > > But, it seems that sailplaners, of all the RC > aircraft groups, are the most > competition oriented of all. As an example of what > I am talking about, my > power club in Meridian, composed of probably 15 > occasional and 7 or 8 > "regulars" never wants to do anything but fly. They > don't seem to feel any > need to compete anywhere with anyone; they just come > out and fly and > socialize. > > When I go to a competition as a participant, I will > play by the rules of the > day. If I do well, I'll be happy. If a rule causes > me to zero a round, I'm > happy just to have the opportunity to play. > > If someone drives 1000 miles and is upset when he > zeros a round due to a > popoff (and the attendant rule), and he lets it > "ruin his weekend", I have > to say "oh, well". I can see being upset with > yourself for messing up, but > if you can't take such a situation in stride and > have fun, then you > shouldn't be driving 1000 miles to a contest in the > first place. I don't > think driving 1000 miles (or any other specific > distance) for that matter > should make the rules apply less to that person. > > The event organizers have reasons for the rules they > make. They are the > ones that have "real work" to do to put on and CD > these events. Pay and > play or stay home is everyone's choice. If you pay, > come to play. If you > stay home, what fun is that? > > I attended the Woodcrafters fun fly/competition a > couple weeks ago and the > rules played against me and my son and we finished > close to the bottom of > the pack in scores, but right at the top in fun. > BTW, we drove 900 miles to > get to the event. I would go again tomorrow if I > could. > > These opinions are my own. You are free to agree or > disagree and, of > course, you are entitled to your own opinions. > > Ed Jett > Marion, MS > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 9:23 PM > Subject: [RCSE] pop offs...not good, rule worse > > > >I recently flew the OVSS Cincinatti and managed to > take some wood... > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane > News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in > text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent > from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are > generally NOT in text format > __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] pop offs...not good, rule worse
Being a sport pilot for almost all of my soaring career, and only recently having participated in contests and finishing close to the bottom, let me say that I truly do understand the need for folks to be competitive and that competition and practice for competitions does make one a better pilot and at a faster pace than just sport flying will achieve. But, it seems that sailplaners, of all the RC aircraft groups, are the most competition oriented of all. As an example of what I am talking about, my power club in Meridian, composed of probably 15 occasional and 7 or 8 "regulars" never wants to do anything but fly. They don't seem to feel any need to compete anywhere with anyone; they just come out and fly and socialize. When I go to a competition as a participant, I will play by the rules of the day. If I do well, I'll be happy. If a rule causes me to zero a round, I'm happy just to have the opportunity to play. If someone drives 1000 miles and is upset when he zeros a round due to a popoff (and the attendant rule), and he lets it "ruin his weekend", I have to say "oh, well". I can see being upset with yourself for messing up, but if you can't take such a situation in stride and have fun, then you shouldn't be driving 1000 miles to a contest in the first place. I don't think driving 1000 miles (or any other specific distance) for that matter should make the rules apply less to that person. The event organizers have reasons for the rules they make. They are the ones that have "real work" to do to put on and CD these events. Pay and play or stay home is everyone's choice. If you pay, come to play. If you stay home, what fun is that? I attended the Woodcrafters fun fly/competition a couple weeks ago and the rules played against me and my son and we finished close to the bottom of the pack in scores, but right at the top in fun. BTW, we drove 900 miles to get to the event. I would go again tomorrow if I could. These opinions are my own. You are free to agree or disagree and, of course, you are entitled to your own opinions. Ed Jett Marion, MS - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 9:23 PM Subject: [RCSE] pop offs...not good, rule worse I recently flew the OVSS Cincinatti and managed to take some wood... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] pop offs...not good, rule worse
If you live by contests and rules, you will die by contests and rules. If you dont like rules, because you cant win by them or feel that they discriminate against you, join the growing "non contest" events like Scale aerotowing, or try scale xcountry where you fly against the odometer, a personal goal, or even another pilot in a milieu where thermaling ability and true flying skills outweigh pop offs, landing, and launching technique. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:24 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] pop offs...not good, rule worse I recently flew the OVSS Cincinatti and managed to take some wood... however, another excellent pilot had a freak popoff (probably it was strategic instead of an accident, since the pilot is a well know shifty character, which means he whips my butt pretty much since I started flying contests :-). The decision was too bad so sadand I made it known that I believe that the rule is abusive, rude, inconsiderate and disrepectful and pretty much think its a chicken shit rule...however all that wishy washy indecisionate opinionation by me aside, it is up to the CD or the rules. And it makes sense that rules cannot be overruled by common sense or consideration for everyone's fun as a consideration... If the rules get changed to consider 'fun' chaos would reign and the general pilot group would be delayed from getting home or another round being flown. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] where to buy tungsten powder cheap ?
hi, where's the cheapest place to purchase this stuff ? I have golf catalog with it at $17.00 or 1/2 pound. thought I better check with you guys first. thanks, Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] pop offs...not good, rule worse
Should probably shut up again since I have never launched on a braided line.. But cant help it ;-) Here in Norway we have recently (1,5years now) gone from towmen and teams and to winches but still teams (we still do towmen at the Nationals though). In the first competition we found the biggest problem was that we wanted to change starting positions but leave the winches. This resulted that your team suddenly starts on a line and setup they have no control over. The plane just did not know if the line was prepared proerly (checked) and if the winch was set up properly. An improper winch can work ok for poor launches but get badly wrong when a big model tugs hard... Then there is an issue that some like thin line and maybe less diameter while others like something else. We ended up that your team needs to stay in one place with their winches but switch landing spots. Point is that as long as you have control of your equipment it is your fault you pop of. But when you HAVE to borrow another winch because of how the competition is set up you will have to ask the CD for a relaunch. On all other competitions (non of those are man on man) the pilot will have a relaunch if the line breaks or something goes wrong in the equipment. Even in electrics we do this. Todays controllers (and even batteries) can play us tricks that we can not control. We want the best pilot but that also offcourse knows how to outlaunch everybody else! Cant wait to test those big winches on braided so I know what you are talking about Hilsen (Regards) Jojo (that do 1kw launches higher than most...) www.grini.no - Original Message - Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 07:42:26 -0500 From: Denny Zech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] pop offs...not good, rule worse Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gordy, I can see your points on line breaks, but pop offs are almost always in the polots control, like landings. It takes some small amount of skill to launch successfully, just like landing on the spot. If someone has cut- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] rapid charge l-ion?
Probably an application of this: http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=80729 A nanotechnology advance in anode technology. Supposed to dramatically shorten charge times and increase cycle life. Could be a real breakthrough for lithium cells. Dan Ashenfelter - Original Message - From: "Douglas, Brent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:28 PM Subject: [RCSE] rapid charge l-ion? One of my techie co-workers emailed this to me... Toshiba's coming out with rapid charge Lithium Ion cells, 80% charge in less than a minute. Can maintain this for 1,000 charges, if you believe the literature. Anyone see this yet? www.techjapan.com/Article949.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] rapid charge l-ion?
One of my techie co-workers emailed this to me... Toshiba's coming out with rapid charge Lithium Ion cells, 80% charge in less than a minute. Can maintain this for 1,000 charges, if you believe the literature. Anyone see this yet? www.techjapan.com/Article949.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Sharon battery packs
I'd try to fit a custom pack of the new GP2000s in there. This is a new low-impedance 4/5A NiMh cell. Perhaps a 5-cell configuration like this would work: ==- --Jim On Jun 9, 2005, at 8:06 AM, Daryl Perkins wrote: Guys, Need a 5 cell or 6 volt pack for my Sharon. Nothing fits. What are you guys running? And where do I order them? Thx, D __ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Sharon battery packs
Guys, Need a 5 cell or 6 volt pack for my Sharon. Nothing fits. What are you guys running? And where do I order them? Thx, D __ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] OT: Timezones (was: OVSS #2)
Within Windows, Indiana, Arizona, and Hawaii have their own 'timezone' setting, I believe. If not, you can always set your time zone to EST (for Indiana), and uncheck the "Automatically adjust for Daylight Savings" box. -Original Message- From: Chuck Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 07:24 To: Denny Zech Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] OVSS #2 It's easy. Indiana is on Eastern time in the winter and Central time in the summer. :-) They would rather switch time zones since changing clocks twice a year is too hard. Question. How do people in Indiana and Arizona handle their computers automatic change to daylight time in the spring and standard time in the fall. :-) Chuck Anderson At 09:15 AM 6/9/2005, you wrote: >I have no idea! :-) I never can figure it out since we don't >change our clocks. We are the same time as Chicago now. ! hour behind >Ohio. Sort of stone age time. > >It's great in the summer, tee time is 5:30 a.m. Home before wife wakes up! > >Denny > >Steve Meyer wrote: > >>At 07:19 AM 6/9/2005, Denny Zech wrote: >> >>>Pilots meeting 9:00 a.m. fort wayne time >> >> >>So Denny is that EST? = CDT? >> >>Must get light there at 4am. >> >> >>Steve >> >>RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" >>and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text >>only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such >>as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format >> > >RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" >and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note >that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format >with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and >AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] SVSS Spring Fling
The second leg of the Triad is only two weeks away. Those who've already signed up can verify class, frequency and timers at www.svss.org/pilots.html. If you're not signed up and want to attend one of the top two day events on the left coast, ya better get with it. We're burnin' daylight. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] OVSS #2
It's easy. Indiana is on Eastern time in the winter and Central time in the summer. :-) They would rather switch time zones since changing clocks twice a year is too hard. Question. How do people in Indiana and Arizona handle their computers automatic change to daylight time in the spring and standard time in the fall. :-) Chuck Anderson At 09:15 AM 6/9/2005, you wrote: I have no idea! :-) I never can figure it out since we don't change our clocks. We are the same time as Chicago now. ! hour behind Ohio. Sort of stone age time. It's great in the summer, tee time is 5:30 a.m. Home before wife wakes up! Denny Steve Meyer wrote: At 07:19 AM 6/9/2005, Denny Zech wrote: Pilots meeting 9:00 a.m. fort wayne time So Denny is that EST? = CDT? Must get light there at 4am. Steve RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] OVSS #2
I have no idea! :-) I never can figure it out since we don't change our clocks. We are the same time as Chicago now. ! hour behind Ohio. Sort of stone age time. It's great in the summer, tee time is 5:30 a.m. Home before wife wakes up! Denny Steve Meyer wrote: At 07:19 AM 6/9/2005, Denny Zech wrote: Pilots meeting 9:00 a.m. fort wayne time So Denny is that EST? = CDT? Must get light there at 4am. Steve RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Soprano Feedback
Subject: [RCSE] Soprano Feedback Ok, so who's flying a Soprano out there? Let's hear some feedback! I would like a big RES plane and am trying to decide between Soprano and AVA. Hi Jim, I was one of the first people to fly a Soprano. I fell in love with the airplane when I saw the first pictures of it. My first contest with it was the 2005 Nats and feel that it was competitive with everything else flown there. The plane has the ability to float when you want it too and when you push the nose down it will really move! Regards, Bob Johnson Fond du Lac,WI RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] OVSS #2
At 07:19 AM 6/9/2005, Denny Zech wrote: Pilots meeting 9:00 a.m. fort wayne time So Denny is that EST? = CDT? Must get light there at 4am. Steve RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] pop offs...not good, rule worse
Gordy, I can see your points on line breaks, but pop offs are almost always in the polots control, like landings. It takes some small amount of skill to launch successfully, just like landing on the spot. If someone has their plane optomized for max launch and wind changes slightly, or their technique is off, they get a low launch. Sort of like they didn't set up properly and missed their landing (although not as great of point penalty). I fly OVSS with a lot of good flyers, and most of us have fun even when not leading. There were a lot of top flyers down around my placing even without popoffs, and I still saw smiles on their faces coming back from the landing area (although not always immediately after a low launch, but some guys are unhappy after blowing a landing and the contest is also over for their chance of winning). Pop Offs have been reflown at our contests when judged to be equipment malfunctions, but just because a pilot yells equipment malfunction doesn't mean it wasn't pilot error. I can still remember my first NATS like it was yesterday. I know a few people and had not a clue what was going on. I was in flight group 1, and got winch 1. I was the first launch and was I nervous. I was on the line for maybe a second before coming off, but it was one of my favorite NATS when all was said and done. Got to meet a lot of people and make friends for life. At our club contests, we have been know to let sportsmen refly popoffs (they are sportsmen after all and we want them to have a good experience and get a lot of flying done). At the big contests, come and have your A game or you will finish back in the pack, pop off or not. Miss a landing and watch your score drop. It's sort of the same to me. Good Lift! Denny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently flew the OVSS Cincinatti and managed to take some wood... however, another excellent pilot had a freak popoff (probably it was strategic instead of an accident, since the pilot is a well know shifty character, which means he whips my butt pretty much since I started flying contests :-). The decision was too bad so sadand I made it known that I believe that the rule is abusive, rude, inconsiderate and disrepectful and pretty much think its a chicken shit rule...however all that wishy washy indecisionate opinionation by me aside, it is up to the CD or the rules. And it makes sense that rules cannot be overruled by common sense or consideration for everyone's fun as a consideration... If the rules get changed to consider 'fun' chaos would reign and the general pilot group would be delayed from getting home or another round being flown. Okay so I am pretty much against the no pop off rule, but I'm not CDing and I do appreciate all the work and excellent effort by the guys CDing events. My travels make it impossible for me to commit to taking on the responsibility so what I think is not a criticism of the coordinators and CDs, rather it is a belief that it is wrong to kill a pilots contest because of a popoff or broken line. The unnamed, mysterious 'them' (you know those guys who would abuse the lack of penalty to use either as a strategic advantage...but I have never met in all my travels soaring) who are spoken of when the no popoff or line break rule is justified,,,never win anyway. But to protect us poor honest guys against the deadly threat of losing a shot at the wood because some sneaky smart guy manipulates a delayed launch to see where the air was found by us honest guysokay pretty stupid stuff :-) We all take time from family and responsibilities, spend cash on food, gas, motels and chance the wrath of wives, only to get burned by fate and the no pop off or line break rulewell its not fun for anyone when it happens to anyone of us. I have yet to be at a contest with a no pop off, and a guy popped off, where if the entire group were polled, all would say no relaunch. But rule or no rule, the OVSS has likely the most exciting and challenging format of all I have been involved in. Seeded Man on Man, both sucks and is great. Its format causes every single pilot, flying or in the pits to be interested and involved as the rounds develop. It is pro active to the ultimate degree and its very exciting. Its the most fair format and the most unfairso like having one foot in a fire and the other in ice, mostly things are great in the middle of it all :-)except for the no pop off/line break rulethat's not goodbecause when it happens to someone of our friends, it sucks the fun out of the day and voids the result as being a 'man on man' result. I won't ever agree that its justified or good for the hobbybut I'll continue to enjoy the events and respect the people doing the work and making the decisions. Gordy New Columbia, PA tonite RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" req
[RCSE] OVSS #2
Don't forget this weekend we have Bob Steele Memorial (OVSS #2) in fort wayne. We will be at Salomon farm off of Dupont Road. I will have the grill cooking both days for lunch. Pilots meeting 9:00 a.m. fort wayne time, with first flight at 9:30. http://www.loftrc.org/steele/flier.html If your looking for something to do after the contest, Germanfest in downtown with a large food and beer tent and live music is always fun, both friday and saturday night. Call if you have any questions, or are running late and need to register. Denny Zech LSF II 260-433-1403 cell RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Soprano Feedback
The Soprano is a very clean and nice sounding. The AVA is more like a movie star. Smiles, Peter" RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] IHLGF photo gallery
There's something "fishy" about Bruce's story... Did you get to the Maise Poway mansion & hot tub? -- Rudy Siegel Civis Aerius Sum Soaring wrote: = SoaringThu, 9 Jun 2005 Volume 1 : Number 5804 In this issue: Soprano Feedback Re: [RCSE] IHLGF photo gallery -- -- Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 02:06:26 EDT From: Got2soar@cs.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] IHLGF photo gallery Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --part1_1da.3dc6e79c.2fd93662_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Come on guys, sort them out and share them. I gotta send links to all my friends and family:-) I just got home from another excellent soaring adventure kicked off at the IHLGF. It was 6 days of soaring with friends in SoCal, what a blast. The long version follows Things got started for me on Thursday morning. I carried on JR 8108 radios in my case and a backpack over the shoulder, also checked a sportube full of XP-4's and a bag with no trouble, harassment or extra fees, I flew Northwest. I met my flying buddy, Ken Marks in San Diego and after a quick stop at the FedEx to pick up a sport tube full of slopers we headed to the flying field. We got to the Poway field around 2 and I pulled out the hand launchers for a quick inspection and charge. The sky looked like it was gonna spit rain any minute, the wind was blowing and it was cold enough for long sleeves. It was great fun seeing old friends and making new ones. After walking and talking the flight line for a bit I grabbed my back up for the backup and headed to the field. Even with the overcast and cold conditions the thermals were popping like crazy, I love that field. We flew until sunset and grabbed Mexican dinner with friends to finish the day. Friday started with open flying. I got there early and flew each of my planes 20-30 times and put em away. At noon the DLG clinic got started with great attendance. I think this is a great idea but was on a different side of the fence than most:-0. Afterwards the field was available for open flying. Ended that day at the hamburger joint with friends. Saturday we flew 6 rounds and I put up about 21 flights. With one really bad round, landed out, and another just bad round I finished several spots out of the top 10. I knew Sunday I was gonna have to bring my A game. We finished the day at the pizza joint with friends. Sunday turned out nice, In 20 flights I made fewer mistakes than most others and managed to get myself into the finals in 10th place. In the finals conditions were tough with wind and really light thermals, Most of us put up 12 flights. In the first round I flew a 2 minute flight without turning or making forward motion! I was throwing hard. When things shook out I had climbed to 5th place for some wood. I flew the XP-4 from www.polecataero.com all weekend. Our day ended at the Japanese buffet with friends. As always the contest was not short of people making sure everything went smoothly. Thank you to the TPG Gulls and their sponsors for letting me fight it out with my flying buddies all weekend. You say you like flying in soaring contests? Over the weekend I flew 53 flights against 90 contestants. That means TPG organized over 4770 launches and landings. Not a single popoff or line break:-) Check out http://www.torreypinesgulls.org/index.html Monday morning we headed to Parker for excellent conditions where I took out the all carbon Pike WR for some pretty fast DS runs. The Mini JW from www.bowmanshobbies.com was easy to build in the hotel and flew great. I think everyone got to take a turn bouncing it off the hill once or twice. We had quite a crowd out there. Ended that day at the Mexican joint with friends. Tuesday I shipped my handlaunch Sportube home in the morning and we hit the hill. Parker was met with light conditions so we had an early lunch. Things got started soon and we broke out the planes. After a few hours we decided to give Vincent a try so we switched mountains. Fly, fly, fly and then packed up to start the journey home. Yea, what a great time, post those pictures and videos. Bruce Davidson Louisville, KY RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
