Re: Get rid of your flip phone and get current on maya!

[Sebastien Sterling]

That being the case, That some good graving Doeke :) (nodes in somber
approval)

On 14 July 2015 at 18:48, Doeke Wartena  wrote:

> To be honest i'm quite glad by all this. I'm hoping AD is graving it's own
> grave.
>
> 2015-07-14 19:28 GMT+02:00 Eric Turman :
>
>> @ Peter... touché ;^)
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:54 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>>   Hey Eric, quite on the contrary, AD’s marketing is spot on:
>>> It’s Maya.
>>> For rent.
>>> At a premium price.
>>> Of course it’s for douchebags!
>>>
>>> Don’t forget, at AD, they are living so far in the future that these are
>>> normal prices for a cup of coffee or daily rates – I think they call
>>> that inflation. Or was it inflated?
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Eric Turman 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2015 4:39 PM
>>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Get rid of your flip phone and get current on maya!
>>>
>>>  It's not you, Chris. It is very expensive for software that is only
>>> rent-able--and yes, subscribing for a year is still effectively renting. I
>>> brew my own coffee and pay less than 25 cents per cup--not $5.77 (the
>>> adjusted price of a 5 day work week rather than 4.17 for working 7 days a
>>> week.) The whole thing comes off as sleazy car salesman, but it is
>>> unfortunately what I would expect from AD.
>>>
>>> I would, however, not be surprised if we see someone from AD jumping
>>> onto this thread ​explaining this latest 'benevolent' ploy and how this is
>>> better for all of us kind of horsepucky.
>>>
>>> 
>>> One of the biggest parts of Autodesk and Adobe CC is that for
>>> production, generally, we don't care about the having the cutting edge
>>> until it has been proven stable. So while having access to beta to know
>>> what is coming down the pike and to test how the new version is going to
>>> break tools, the truth of the day to day is that we need a stable version
>>> of the software to get our work done quickly and with the fewest problems.
>>> AD marketing is so clueless to paint us in the light that we are all a
>>> bunch of hipster douche-bags pushing a button to advance to the next script
>>> and letting the computer work for a few hours while we go off in between
>>> mountain-biking and surfing like a glorified George Jetson.
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -=T=-
>>
>
>

Re: Get rid of your flip phone and get current on maya!

[Doeke Wartena]

To be honest i'm quite glad by all this. I'm hoping AD is graving it's own
grave.

2015-07-14 19:28 GMT+02:00 Eric Turman :

> @ Peter... touché ;^)
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:54 AM,  wrote:
>
>>   Hey Eric, quite on the contrary, AD’s marketing is spot on:
>> It’s Maya.
>> For rent.
>> At a premium price.
>> Of course it’s for douchebags!
>>
>> Don’t forget, at AD, they are living so far in the future that these are
>> normal prices for a cup of coffee or daily rates – I think they call
>> that inflation. Or was it inflated?
>>
>>
>> *From:* Eric Turman 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2015 4:39 PM
>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Get rid of your flip phone and get current on maya!
>>
>>  It's not you, Chris. It is very expensive for software that is only
>> rent-able--and yes, subscribing for a year is still effectively renting. I
>> brew my own coffee and pay less than 25 cents per cup--not $5.77 (the
>> adjusted price of a 5 day work week rather than 4.17 for working 7 days a
>> week.) The whole thing comes off as sleazy car salesman, but it is
>> unfortunately what I would expect from AD.
>>
>> I would, however, not be surprised if we see someone from AD jumping onto
>> this thread ​explaining this latest 'benevolent' ploy and how this is
>> better for all of us kind of horsepucky.
>>
>> 
>> One of the biggest parts of Autodesk and Adobe CC is that for production,
>> generally, we don't care about the having the cutting edge until it has
>> been proven stable. So while having access to beta to know what is coming
>> down the pike and to test how the new version is going to break tools, the
>> truth of the day to day is that we need a stable version of the software to
>> get our work done quickly and with the fewest problems. AD marketing is so
>> clueless to paint us in the light that we are all a bunch of hipster
>> douche-bags pushing a button to advance to the next script and letting the
>> computer work for a few hours while we go off in between mountain-biking
>> and surfing like a glorified George Jetson.
>> 
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> -=T=-
>

Re: Get rid of your flip phone and get current on maya!

[Eric Turman]

@ Peter... touché ;^)

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:54 AM,  wrote:

>   Hey Eric, quite on the contrary, AD’s marketing is spot on:
> It’s Maya.
> For rent.
> At a premium price.
> Of course it’s for douchebags!
>
> Don’t forget, at AD, they are living so far in the future that these are
> normal prices for a cup of coffee or daily rates – I think they call that 
> inflation.
> Or was it inflated?
>
>
> *From:* Eric Turman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2015 4:39 PM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: Get rid of your flip phone and get current on maya!
>
>  It's not you, Chris. It is very expensive for software that is only
> rent-able--and yes, subscribing for a year is still effectively renting. I
> brew my own coffee and pay less than 25 cents per cup--not $5.77 (the
> adjusted price of a 5 day work week rather than 4.17 for working 7 days a
> week.) The whole thing comes off as sleazy car salesman, but it is
> unfortunately what I would expect from AD.
>
> I would, however, not be surprised if we see someone from AD jumping onto
> this thread ​explaining this latest 'benevolent' ploy and how this is
> better for all of us kind of horsepucky.
>
> 
> One of the biggest parts of Autodesk and Adobe CC is that for production,
> generally, we don't care about the having the cutting edge until it has
> been proven stable. So while having access to beta to know what is coming
> down the pike and to test how the new version is going to break tools, the
> truth of the day to day is that we need a stable version of the software to
> get our work done quickly and with the fewest problems. AD marketing is so
> clueless to paint us in the light that we are all a bunch of hipster
> douche-bags pushing a button to advance to the next script and letting the
> computer work for a few hours while we go off in between mountain-biking
> and surfing like a glorified George Jetson.
> 
>



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Re: Get rid of your flip phone and get current on maya!

[peter_b]

Hey Eric, quite on the contrary, AD’s marketing is spot on:
It’s Maya. 
For rent. 
At a premium price.
Of course it’s for douchebags! 

Don’t forget, at AD, they are living so far in the future that these are normal 
prices for a cup of coffee or daily rates – I think they call that inflation. 
Or was it inflated?


From: Eric Turman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 4:39 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Subject: Re: Get rid of your flip phone and get current on maya!

It's not you, Chris. It is very expensive for software that is only 
rent-able--and yes, subscribing for a year is still effectively renting. I brew 
my own coffee and pay less than 25 cents per cup--not $5.77 (the adjusted price 
of a 5 day work week rather than 4.17 for working 7 days a week.) The whole 
thing comes off as sleazy car salesman, but it is unfortunately what I would 
expect from AD. 

I would, however, not be surprised if we see someone from AD jumping onto this 
thread ​explaining this latest 'benevolent' ploy and how this is better for all 
of us kind of horsepucky.


One of the biggest parts of Autodesk and Adobe CC is that for production, 
generally, we don't care about the having the cutting edge until it has been 
proven stable. So while having access to beta to know what is coming down the 
pike and to test how the new version is going to break tools, the truth of the 
day to day is that we need a stable version of the software to get our work 
done quickly and with the fewest problems. AD marketing is so clueless to paint 
us in the light that we are all a bunch of hipster douche-bags pushing a button 
to advance to the next script and letting the computer work for a few hours 
while we go off in between mountain-biking and surfing like a glorified George 
Jetson.

Re: Get rid of your flip phone and get current on maya!

[John Richard Sanchez]

I didn't know they meant urine colored bright.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 12:46 PM, John Richard Sanchez <
youngupstar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The Future is Bright!
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Jason S  wrote:
>
>> On 07/14/15 9:46, Chris Marshall wrote:
>>
>>> Is it me or is this rather expensive?
>>>
>>>
>>>  Comparing rental with upgrading after a few years can be steep,
>> but the difference between rental and traditional subs (also with
>> updates) can also be considerable.
>>
>> Say for 6 years,
>> 4.5k for 3yrs (the longest and most affordable commitment option) X 2
>> (for 6 yrs)   = 9k
>> compared to 3.5k the first year and ~600 per year for each subsequent 5
>> years = 6.5k (while ending-up with a license)
>>
>> For monthly, not that this would typically be used for long periods of
>> time,
>>  but for the sake of comparision, monthy price after 6 years comes to
>> 13.3k (while ending up with nothing)
>>
>> Studios mostly just absorb the difference (while I'm sure their not
>> exactly happy to pay quite a bit more for nothing),
>> and most people using it (in studios) don't have licences themselves,
>> which could explain the relative lack of backlash,
>> but it's freelancers and small shops that this arguably warrentless and
>> camouflaged 1.5x - 2x increase (while ending up with nothing) will hit the
>> hardest.
>>
>> Wonder if they would have tried it if a considerable competitor was
>> around, like say
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>



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Re: Get rid of your flip phone and get current on maya!

[John Richard Sanchez]

The Future is Bright!

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Jason S  wrote:

> On 07/14/15 9:46, Chris Marshall wrote:
>
>> Is it me or is this rather expensive?
>>
>>
>>  Comparing rental with upgrading after a few years can be steep,
> but the difference between rental and traditional subs (also with updates)
> can also be considerable.
>
> Say for 6 years,
> 4.5k for 3yrs (the longest and most affordable commitment option) X 2 (for
> 6 yrs)   = 9k
> compared to 3.5k the first year and ~600 per year for each subsequent 5
> years = 6.5k (while ending-up with a license)
>
> For monthly, not that this would typically be used for long periods of
> time,
>  but for the sake of comparision, monthy price after 6 years comes to
> 13.3k (while ending up with nothing)
>
> Studios mostly just absorb the difference (while I'm sure their not
> exactly happy to pay quite a bit more for nothing),
> and most people using it (in studios) don't have licences themselves,
> which could explain the relative lack of backlash,
> but it's freelancers and small shops that this arguably warrentless and
> camouflaged 1.5x - 2x increase (while ending up with nothing) will hit the
> hardest.
>
> Wonder if they would have tried it if a considerable competitor was
> around, like say
>
>
>


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Re: Get rid of your flip phone and get current on maya!

[christian]

>
> Studios mostly just absorb the difference (while I'm sure their not
> exactly happy to pay quite a bit more for nothing),
> and most people using it (in studios) don't have licences themselves,
> which could explain the relative lack of backlash,
> but it's freelancers and small shops that this arguably warrentless and
> camouflaged 1.5x - 2x increase (while ending up with nothing) will hit the
> hardest.
>
>
pretty sure we are reaching the point where the freelancer is expected to
bring his own license to the studio when working there. it is already
happening here with adobe stuff, since as an individual you can have a
monthly plan, while as a studio they only offer anual subscriptions
(somebody correct me if i am off on that) which often just isnt feasible
with the way project sometimes require way more or suddenly way less
manpower and seats.

Re: Get rid of your flip phone and get current on maya!

[Nasser Al-Ostath]

I hate the subscription based plans ... just few hours ago i was checking
blender loool ... serioudly im considering moving to open source
On Jul 9, 2015 1:37 AM, "Scott Parrish"  wrote:

> Anybody see this today?
> Barf!
>
> http://www.autodesk.com/campaigns/your-life-maya
>

Re: Get rid of your flip phone and get current on maya!

[Jason S]

On 07/14/15 9:46, Chris Marshall wrote:

Is it me or is this rather expensive?



Comparing rental with upgrading after a few years can be steep,
but the difference between rental and traditional subs (also with 
updates) can also be considerable.


Say for 6 years,
4.5k for 3yrs (the longest and most affordable commitment option) X 2 
(for 6 yrs)   = 9k
compared to 3.5k the first year and ~600 per year for each subsequent 5 
years = 6.5k (while ending-up with a license)


For monthly, not that this would typically be used for long periods of time,
 but for the sake of comparision, monthy price after 6 years comes to 
13.3k (while ending up with nothing)


Studios mostly just absorb the difference (while I'm sure their not 
exactly happy to pay quite a bit more for nothing),
and most people using it (in studios) don't have licences themselves, 
which could explain the relative lack of backlash,
but it's freelancers and small shops that this arguably warrentless and 
camouflaged 1.5x - 2x increase (while ending up with nothing) will hit 
the hardest.


Wonder if they would have tried it if a considerable competitor was 
around, like say

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Re: Get rid of your flip phone and get current on maya!

[Eric Turman]

It's not you, Chris. It is very expensive for software that is only
rent-able--and yes, subscribing for a year is still effectively renting. I
brew my own coffee and pay less than 25 cents per cup--not $5.77 (the
adjusted price of a 5 day work week rather than 4.17 for working 7 days a
week.) The whole thing comes off as sleazy car salesman, but it is
unfortunately what I would expect from AD.

I would, however, not be surprised if we see someone from AD jumping onto
this thread ​explaining this latest 'benevolent' ploy and how this is
better for all of us kind of horsepucky.


One of the biggest parts of Autodesk and Adobe CC is that for production,
generally, we don't care about the having the cutting edge until it has
been proven stable. So while having access to beta to know what is coming
down the pike and to test how the new version is going to break tools, the
truth of the day to day is that we need a stable version of the software to
get our work done quickly and with the fewest problems. AD marketing is so
clueless to paint us in the light that we are all a bunch of hipster
douche-bags pushing a button to advance to the next script and letting the
computer work for a few hours while we go off in between mountain-biking
and surfing like a glorified George Jetson.

Re: Get rid of your flip phone and get current on maya!

[Chris Marshall]

Is it me or is this rather expensive?

Re: Fuzz trouble

[Matt Morris]

Its the compounds that allow hair pointclouds to deform along with animated
geometry, and it does use the reinterpret node. Unfortunately its something
we used a lot!

If you try opening this model in 2014 it should be fine, open in 2015 and
instant lock up:

https://app.box.com/s/vpctkz2k1xnxxhbc1dgglhr022gkc7sh



On 14 July 2015 at 09:17,  wrote:

>   Do you know which ones? It may be that they are using the ‘reinterpret’
> node too. It would be good to collate any other 2015 issues for a final fix
> push to AD.
>
> As to why some people on here are trying to influence me to not bother. It
> seems a very odd and defeatist thing to do and its not going to work.
>
> Its the squeaky wheel that gets the oil.
>
>  *From:* Matt Morris 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2015 1:15 AM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: Fuzz trouble
>
>  It also broke a few key compounds kristinka uses. I might be able to dig
> up an old scene if it will help. This stopped us moving to 2015 from
> 2014sp2.
>
>
>
> On 14 July 2015 at 00:55, Busty kelp  wrote:
>
>> And AD asked me tonight for a sample scene to test.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On 13 Jul 2015, at 21:38, Matt Lind  wrote:
>> >
>>  > You overlook the fact you need to be on Softimage 2015 to get
>> support. They're not going to touch 2013.
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:07:36 +0100
>> > From: 
>> > Subject: Re: Fuzz trouble
>> > To: 
>> >
>> > Well so far its taken me around half an hour of my time.
>> > In my book, a 1% chance is better than a 0% chance. I'm fully expecting
>> them
>> > to do nothing.
>> > I have a face to face meeting with AD soon, not about this issue but in
>> > which I will flag this again.
>> > In the very least, I have a catalogued situation of me trying to get
>> this
>> > fixed so I can work with the latest version and AD doing nothing about
>> it.
>> > I can refer to this in the future if necessary.
>> >
>> > I don't use 2015 I use 2013, which is fine for me, so i have nothing to
>> > lose. Thanks for your concern about my welfare though.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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>



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Re: Fuzz trouble

[paul]

Do you know which ones? It may be that they are using the ‘reinterpret’ node 
too. It would be good to collate any other 2015 issues for a final fix push to 
AD.

As to why some people on here are trying to influence me to not bother. It 
seems a very odd and defeatist thing to do and its not going to work.

Its the squeaky wheel that gets the oil.

From: Matt Morris 
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 1:15 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Subject: Re: Fuzz trouble

It also broke a few key compounds kristinka uses. I might be able to dig up an 
old scene if it will help. This stopped us moving to 2015 from 2014sp2. 



On 14 July 2015 at 00:55, Busty kelp  wrote:

  And AD asked me tonight for a sample scene to test.

  Sent from my iPad

  > On 13 Jul 2015, at 21:38, Matt Lind  wrote:
  >

  > You overlook the fact you need to be on Softimage 2015 to get support. 
They're not going to touch 2013.
  >
  >
  > Matt
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:07:36 +0100
  > From: 
  > Subject: Re: Fuzz trouble
  > To: 
  >
  > Well so far its taken me around half an hour of my time.
  > In my book, a 1% chance is better than a 0% chance. I'm fully expecting them
  > to do nothing.
  > I have a face to face meeting with AD soon, not about this issue but in
  > which I will flag this again.
  > In the very least, I have a catalogued situation of me trying to get this
  > fixed so I can work with the latest version and AD doing nothing about it.
  > I can refer to this in the future if necessary.
  >
  > I don't use 2015 I use 2013, which is fine for me, so i have nothing to
  > lose. Thanks for your concern about my welfare though.
  >
  >
  >






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