Re: [Sugar-devel] [Activities] using the browser to display help/docs
I thought someone was working on a quick, smooth confirmation path through the Journal. On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 1:16 PM, p...@laptop.org wrote: Ignoring that, you would think you could run one activity from another using a) Python code, b) exec(), or c) DBus. exec() is the spawn of satan: all code exec'd is run in your local namespace and takes over the current thread. You can also use os.fork() or the subprocess module to call sugar-launch-activity, but you'll get perm problems. -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SoaS - moving onward...
Here are the steps (prepared by FGrose), which could likely be automated ... http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick_VirtualBox/Preparing_a_disk_image I only confirmed and tweaked Dave Bauer's work posted at, http://schools.sugarlabs.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=27 . I confirmed the livecd-iso-to-disk script for Ubuntu 8.10 with instructions at, http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick#On_Linux_using_the_shell_script. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] LiveCD with image writing activity (was Re: easier installation of soas)
When it comes time to build the LiveUSB images, one should consider the options, below, from the livecd-iso-to-disk.sh script. Unless a home.img file is created (by specifying a --home-size-mb NNN), the user may be surprised, disappointed, or frustrated with the difficulty in keeping saved Activities should they decide to update the Sugar version on their USB drive. (from livecd-iso-to-disk.sh) cryptedhome=1 keephome=1 homesizemb=0 swapsizemb=0 overlaysizemb=0 HOMEFILE=home.img while [ $# -gt 2 ]; do case $1 in --overlay-size-mb) checkint $2 overlaysizemb=$2 shift ;; --home-size-mb) checkint $2 homesizemb=$2 shift ;; --swap-size-mb) checkint $2 swapsizemb=$2 shift ;; --crypted-home) cryptedhome=1 ;; --unencrypted-home) cryptedhome= ;; --delete-home) keephome= ;; --noverify) noverify=1 ;; --reset-mbr|--resetmbr) resetmbr=1 ;; --mactel) mactel=1 ;; --xo) xo=1 skipcompress=1 ;; --xo-no-home) xonohome=1 ;; --compress) skipcompress= ;; --skipcompress) skipcompress=1 ;; --extra-kernel-args) kernelargs=$2 shift ;; --force) force=1 ;; *) usage ;; esac shift done ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs BugSquad meeting REMINDER (04 March, 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting
Meeting: Bug Triage, 04 March 2009, 09:00-11:00 EST (14:00-16:00 UTC), at irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting Meeting: Sugar Developers, 04 March 2009, 11:00-13:00 EST (16:00-18:00 UTC), at irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting (for Gmail users add to Calendar Smart links) Note: Beware of time zones, Google does not convert them, currently. On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: Hey, let's meet for another round of Bug triaging. 0.84 was just released - a great moment to clear the bug database a bit. It would be good to have the latest Soas (I will announce a new one today) prepared to verify bugs. Regards, Simon PS: Watch out the new time. First we triage bugs at 14.00 UTC and then we can fix them in the developers meeting at 16.00 UTC ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs BugSquad meeting REMINDER (11 March, 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting
Meeting: BugSquad, 12 March 2009, 14:00-16:00 UTC (10:00-12:00 EDT), at irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting for Gmail users Calendar smart link On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: Of course the date is the 12. of March - a Thursday as usual. Sorry for the confusion, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [Invitation] Testing Team sess ion @ Wed Mar 18 10am – 12pm (sugar-devel @lists.sugarlabs.org)
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Idea for GSOC
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas Thank you for your contributions! 2009/3/16 vishak baby whacky.vis...@gmail.com Where can I post ideas for GSoc? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [Invitation] Triaging Session , BugSquad @ Thu Apr 16 10am – 12pm (suga r-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org)
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[Sugar-devel] [Updated Invitation] Triaging Session, BugSquad @ Thu Mar 19 10am – 12pm (sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org)
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs
How about something in Croquet, http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Main_Page, or Seaside, http://www.seaside.st/, that would create a Sugar environment for the web, say Honeycomb? I, too, need to spend more time under those hoods or in those hoods. --Fred 2009/3/18 Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com I think that for a GSoC project, we care less about development kits/IDEs like aptana, than about desktop-apps-with-AJAX solutions like Appcelerator Titanium, Mozilla Prism (and in closed-source world, Adobe AIR and Curl). I think it would be a great project to take Titanium or Prism and make a generic sugar-like hello-world which used Javascript to save to the journal, set some tags, open a file, coexist with Rainbow, and have a sugary toolbar. Whether you worked on that activity with Aptana or whatever is a separate issue. Disclaimer: I know nothing under the hood about any of the products mentioned here, so I could be totally wrong. Jameson On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: They don't compare currently but they are developing rapidly, particularly aptana http://www.aptana.com. The great thing about aptana is that there is for-profit company behind it that seems to do a good job of sponsoring open-source development. Also, Apple, Palm, and maybe Android are pushing for js+html5 for all apps place of flash. On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 10:47 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: 2009/3/18 Bryan Berry bryan.be...@gmail.com: Felipe, never bet against the browser is absolutely true However, gnash is roughly 2-3 developer years behind macromedia flash. the big hurdle is adding support for ActionScript3 to Gnash. I don't think that better integrating Gnash into Sugar would be the best use of your time. The better bet is to integrate activities created with javascript + html5 into Sugar. I earlier advocated a framework called Karma for integrating flash swfs into Sugar. I now believe that javascript + html5 is a much better bet because it better adheres to our common belief in open-source and allows View Source. Also, there are far more javascript developers out there than flash developers. This new rework of Karma could take advantage of projects like jquery-UI and new javascript animation libraries like processing.js and GX. That looks very interesting, but what about authoring tools for javascript+html5? Are any that compare to the flash authoring tools? Regards, Tomeu You could start out by trying to recreate some of OLE Nepal's existing flash activities as javascript + html5. You can find some here: http://www.pustakalaya.org/external-content/static/epaath/E-Paath-2.activity/activity/Activity/MenuStage.html If you are interested in such a project, I am definitely be interested in mentoring you. I have to warn you though that I am professionally a project manager and not a software engineer. In fact my software development skills are extremely limited beyond writing broken python scripts. -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 15:37 -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote: Flash is still not open source, and that creates issues when distributing it (Adobe does not let you include it pre-installed in images for download). Bryan Berry from OLE Nepal (cc:ed on this mail) has some good ideas about how that idea should work, though he's not signed up as a mentor. You should think about your design, and then discuss it with him AND on the sugar-devel mailing list. Jameson 2009/3/17 Felipe López Toledo zer.subz...@gmail.com Thanks. I'm interested: SWF Sugar * Integrate SWF (Flash/Gnash) applications into Sugar. * Ideally, develop a demo activity which could be used as a template for sugarizing Flash/Gnash activities. * Priority for Sugar: Very High (never bet against the browser) * Difficulty (as a GSoC project): hard * Skills needed: SWF/Python integration why Gnash?, there is already a stable version of adobe player for linux. really have very good ideas. Interesting! Greetings. On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com wrote: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas Good hunting :) Jameson On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Felipe López Toledo zer.subz...@gmail.com wrote:
Re: [Sugar-devel] Out of date wiki.sugarlabs.org pages
These Page-Flagging Templates are available on wiki.sugarlabs.org,
http://wiki. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:PageFlaggingTemplate
sugarlabs http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:PageFlaggingTemplate
.org/go/Category:http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:PageFlaggingTemplate
PageFlaggingTemplatehttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:PageFlaggingTemplate
.
Probably, {{Dated}} would work for the situation below.
A link to the category page has been added to the
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Resources
page that can be reached by clicking the [Wiki help] quick link on the
sidebar. The link is at the end of the Editing, Basics section.
--Fred
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote:
I was browsing through the sidebar links on wiki.sugarlabs.org and
stumbled across:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Source_Code
Nearly every package here is listing an old version. Many repository
links point to inactive dev.laptop.org repositories.
In Wikipedia, there are templates you can add to a page which
indicates that a page is out of date, factually incorrect, biased,
etc. Could we possibly create some of these templates, so that
appropriate people will be notified to fix them, and so that users
won't mistakenly trust them?
Thanks,
Wade
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[Sugar-devel] [Invitation] Bug Triage Sessio n @ Thu Mar 26 10am – 12pm (sugar-de...@l ists.sugarlabs.org)
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[Sugar-devel] [Announce] Sugar Labs wiki team 2009 launch meeting 30 March 2009 17:00 UTC (13:00 EDT, 10:00 PDT)
Dave Farning has asked that we hold an irc chat meeting to organize a 2009 roadmap for the Sugar Labs wiki team. Please see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Meetings and enter your ideas for the agenda or http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Roadmap. Then, at 17:00 UTC (13:00 EDT, 10:00 PDT) join irc.freenode.net#sugar-meeting for the chat. Discussion on this thread/s is also welcome. --Fred (A Google Calendar invitation will follow.) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [Invitation] Wiki Team @ Mon Mar 30 1pm – 2pm (sugar-de...@lists.suga rlabs.org)
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity
Just thinking at the conceptual level. How about filtering irrelevant method calls and signals? How about a RESTful interface ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representational_State_Transfer)? I don't know. Just thinking... Thanks for contributing! --Fred On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 For the moment, I assume you are speaking of our current network collaboration technologies. Walter Bender wrote: Interesting idea. I don't see why this couldn't work; I am not sure of the security implications, but I don't see why collaboration always has to be between two identical activities. Collaboration always has to be between two identical activities. The only exception is if the two activities, though not identical, speak a unified, coherent network protocol. In order for this to work, Activities would have to specify their network protocol in complete detail, with each change in the protocol generating a new version identifier. It is not enough to specify the generic connection parameters, as done by Telepathy; this only gets us far enough to fail. The protocol in question must specify the names, types, and meanings, of all remote procedures that can be called from either side. This is approximately the level of specification required in something like an IETF RFC... and it would be needed for every activity. The versions would then need some sort of identifier, so that the two participants can, when initializing a connection, negotiate a mutually intelligible protocol (if one exists). Achieving this level of precision specification is difficult even for experienced full-time software engineers. It is often performed by specification specialists, who are experts in this field. Moreover, distinct activities are _different_. It should be obvious enough that no matter how we twist the network protocols, Video Chat and Write are never going to collaborate directly with each other. Their internal data structures are grossly incompatible, because their codebases are unrelated, because their purposes are entirely distinct. Now, the above is fairly obvious, so I suspect you are talking about something else. Perhaps you envision some way of taking the functionality from one Activity and embedding it in another as a kind of widget, or perhaps you're thinking of some other way of smushing activities together like objects with well-defined interfaces. If so, you may like to observe the history of the Component Object Model [1], the Cross Platform Component Object Model [2], or maybe even the GNU Network Object Model Environment [3]. I think such collaborative widgets are very powerful; I've even written one or two for Groupthink... but now I'm off into speculation, since I don't really know what you're thinking about. - --Ben [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_Object_Model [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xpcom [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME#Name -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknKoGsACgkQUJT6e6HFtqREVQCaA7m8daZOFBh2PB4/pfTRoHeX En4AnR6BBOZOCA8SfSu3GbA3TarQAX4a =YpnV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Pico no Nano in Soas2-0325 by design?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar and X problems logging in to Soas2-200903271806 on an XO-1
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:35 PM, S Page skierp...@gmail.com wrote: ... Hope this helps. Is there a Talk page somewhere on SugarLabs.org to report success or failure with SoaS 2 builds? I've created a Testing branch under the SoaS project on the wiki. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/GettingInvolved Please enhance the format with relevant templates. --Fred -- =S Page ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [Invitation] Wiki Team @ Mon Apr 6 1pm – 2pm (sugar-de...@lists.sugar labs.org)
BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Google Inc//Google Calendar 70.9054//EN VERSION:2.0 CALSCALE:GREGORIAN METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VEVENT DTSTART:20090406T17Z DTEND:20090406T18Z DTSTAMP:20090330T185225Z ORGANIZER:mailto:6n9a99dr5knag9tp0obc0rn...@group.calendar.google.com UID:64c71g6b89urc1htkslstoo...@google.com ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;cn=i...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:i...@lists.sugarlabs .org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;cn=sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:sugar-de...@l ists.sugarlabs.org CLASS:PRIVATE CREATED:20090330T185223Z DESCRIPTION:Agenda:\n1.) Translation architecture discussion\n\nPlease see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Meetings and enter your ideas for th e agenda. Expand them on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Roadmap or http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Roadmap/Use Cases.\n\nThen\, at 17:0 0 UTC (13:00 EDT\, 10:00 PDT) join irc://irc.freenode.net#sugar-meeting for the chat. --Fred\n\nView your event at http://www.google.com/calenda r/event?action=VIEWeid=NjRjNzFnNmI4OXVyYzFodGtzbHN0b29uYWsgc3VnYXItZGV2ZWx AbGlzdHMuc3VnYXJsYWJzLm9yZwtok=NTIjNm45YTk5ZHI1a25hZzl0cDBvYmMwcm5jdWdAZ3J vdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbTBlMDM2NTkwNjA1MTM0NDE4MzI1Y2UzZmM3NjcxYjUyNW Q0ZWZiYmYctz=America%2FNew_Yorkhl=en. LAST-MODIFIED:20090330T185224Z LOCATION:irc://irc.freenode.net#sugar-meeting SEQUENCE:0 STATUS:CONFIRMED SUMMARY:Wiki Team TRANSP:OPAQUE END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR invite.ics Description: application/ics ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [Invitation] Testing Session @ Wed Apr 1 10am – 12pm (sugar-de...@list s.sugarlabs.org)
BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Google Inc//Google Calendar 70.9054//EN VERSION:2.0 CALSCALE:GREGORIAN METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VEVENT DTSTART:20090401T14Z DTEND:20090401T16Z DTSTAMP:20090331T032610Z ORGANIZER:mailto:6n9a99dr5knag9tp0obc0rn...@group.calendar.google.com UID:9dgfm75334qg46c8u6a88m3...@google.com ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;cn=i...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:i...@lists.sugarlabs .org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;cn=sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:sugar-de...@l ists.sugarlabs.org CLASS:PRIVATE CREATED:20090331T032608Z DESCRIPTION:(join session at any time)\n\nSome call it failure testing some stress testing. We want to meet this Wednesday to find the bugs left in Su crose 0.84 to be able to fix them for 0.84.x We will use the latest Sugar o n a Stick-2 for those efforts.\n\nWe have one 5 days left for our 0.84.2 Re lease [1]. This is our final\nupdate for 0.84. Our list of bugs [2] has dim inished already - 5 bugs\nfixed 22 left.\n\nLet’s concentrate this last day s and make the release rock! Help is more\nthan welcome of course. Patches should be submitted following the\nguidelines [3]. We will review now caref ully to not introduce\nregressions. If you want to join - we are hanging ou t in #sugar!\n\n[1] http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Release/Roadmap #Schedule\n[2] http://tinyurl.com/ccjskj\n[3] http://sugarlabs.org/go/Devel opmentTeam/CodeReview\n\nView your event at http://www.google.com/calendar/ event?action=VIEWeid=OWRnZm03NTMzNHFnNDZjOHU2YTg4bTNjZXMgc3VnYXItZGV2ZWxAb GlzdHMuc3VnYXJsYWJzLm9yZwtok=NTIjNm45YTk5ZHI1a25hZzl0cDBvYmMwcm5jdWdAZ3Jvd XAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbTk1NzY0ZDE5YWZhZmZkMjdiNjg4ZGRjNTdmOWFhZDQyY2Yw N2Y1N2Mctz=America%2FNew_Yorkhl=en. LAST-MODIFIED:20090331T032609Z LOCATION:irc://irc.freenode.net#sugar-meeting SEQUENCE:0 STATUS:CONFIRMED SUMMARY:Testing Session TRANSP:OPAQUE END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR invite.ics Description: application/ics ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [Updated Invitation] Testing S ession @ Wed Apr 1 10am – 12pm (sugar-devel @lists.sugarlabs.org)
BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Google Inc//Google Calendar 70.9054//EN VERSION:2.0 CALSCALE:GREGORIAN METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VEVENT DTSTART:20090401T14Z DTEND:20090401T16Z DTSTAMP:20090331T184721Z ORGANIZER:mailto:6n9a99dr5knag9tp0obc0rn...@group.calendar.google.com UID:9dgfm75334qg46c8u6a88m3...@google.com ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;RSVP=TRUE ;cn=i...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:i...@lists.sugarlabs.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;RSVP=TRUE ;cn=sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:sugar-de...@lists .sugarlabs.org CLASS:PRIVATE CREATED:20090331T032608Z DESCRIPTION:(join session at any time)\n\nWe will be doing a testing sessio n tomorrow. Bring the latest Soas (F11) image [1] ready downloaded and flas hed on a stick with you.\n\nTime: Wed Apr 1 14:00 – 16:00 UTC (10:00 – 12: 00 EDT)\n\nThings we are particularly interested in:\n- verify the bugs we fixed in the last days (list will be handed out tomorrow)\n- connect to you r AP (WEP\, WAP\, reconnect after restart)\n- collaboration\n- translations \n\nThis is a very important session tomorrow - as we are preparing for our final 0.84 release! So please join and help us find all the bugs left.\n\n [1] http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/?C=M\;O=D\nView your eve nt at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEWeid=OWRnZm03NTMzNHFn NDZjOHU2YTg4bTNjZXMgc3VnYXItZGV2ZWxAbGlzdHMuc3VnYXJsYWJzLm9yZwtok=NTIjNm45 YTk5ZHI1a25hZzl0cDBvYmMwcm5jdWdAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbTk1NzY0ZDE 5YWZhZmZkMjdiNjg4ZGRjNTdmOWFhZDQyY2YwN2Y1N2Mctz=America%2FNew_Yorkhl=en. LAST-MODIFIED:20090331T184719Z LOCATION:irc://irc.freenode.net#sugar-meeting SEQUENCE:0 STATUS:CONFIRMED SUMMARY:Testing Session TRANSP:OPAQUE END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR invite.ics Description: application/ics ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Invitation] Testing Session @ Wed Apr 1 10am – 12pm (sugar-de...@list s.sugarlabs.org)
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: Frederick Grose wrote: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org, you are invited to Title: Testing Session Time: Wed Apr 1 10am – 12pm (Timezone: Eastern Time) Where: irc://irc.freenode.net#sugar-meeting Calendar: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Owner/Creator: fgr...@sugarlabs.org Other attendees: i...@lists.sugarlabs.org Description: (join session at any time) We will be doing a testing session tomorrow. Bring the latest Soas (F11) image [1] ready downloaded and flashed on a stick with you. Time: Wed Apr 1 14.00 – 16.00 (UTC) Things we are particularly interested in: - verify the bugs we fixed in the last days (list will be handed out tomorrow) - connect to your AP (WEP, WAP, reconnect after restart) - collaboration - translations This is a very important session tomorrow - as we are preparing for our final 0.84 release! So please join and help us find all the bugs left. Regards, Simon [1] http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/?C=M;O=D (updated link path) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [Invitation] Triage Session @ Thu Apr 2 10am – 12pm (sugar-de...@list s.sugarlabs.org)
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[Sugar-devel] [Updated Invitation] Wiki Team @ Mon Apr 6 1pm – 2pm (sugar-de...@lists .sugarlabs.org)
BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Google Inc//Google Calendar 70.9054//EN VERSION:2.0 CALSCALE:GREGORIAN METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VEVENT DTSTART:20090406T17Z DTEND:20090406T18Z DTSTAMP:20090406T020029Z ORGANIZER:mailto:6n9a99dr5knag9tp0obc0rn...@group.calendar.google.com UID:64c71g6b89urc1htkslstoo...@google.com ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;RSVP=TRUE ;cn=i...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:i...@lists.sugarlabs.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=TENTATIVE;RSVP=TRU E;cn=sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=1:mailto:sugar-de...@list s.sugarlabs.org CLASS:PRIVATE CREATED:20090330T185223Z DESCRIPTION:Agenda:\n1.) Translation architecture discussion\n2.) Sugar Lab s:Copyright page missing (link on new page entry):\nPlease note that all co ntributions to Sugar Labs are considered to be released under the Attributi on 3.0 Unported (see Sugar_Labs:Copyrights for details). If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will\, then do not submit it here.\nYou are also promising us that you wrote this yourself \, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. DO NOT SUBMI T COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!\n3.) Wiki installation for testing. Is there an instance we can use to test new features without risking the pr oduction wiki?\n\nPlease see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Meeting s and enter your ideas for the agenda. Expand them on http://wiki.sugarlabs .org/go/Wiki_Team/Roadmap or http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Roadmap /Use Cases.\n\nThen\, at 17:00 UTC (13:00 EDT\, 10:00 PDT) join irc://irc.f reenode.net#sugar-meeting for the chat. --Fred\n\nView your event at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEWeid=NjRjNzFnNmI4OXVyYzFodG tzbHN0b29uYWsgc3VnYXItZGV2ZWxAbGlzdHMuc3VnYXJsYWJzLm9yZwtok=NTIjNm45YTk5ZH I1a25hZzl0cDBvYmMwcm5jdWdAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbTBlMDM2NTkwNjA1M TM0NDE4MzI1Y2UzZmM3NjcxYjUyNWQ0ZWZiYmYctz=America%2FNew_Yorkhl=en. LAST-MODIFIED:20090406T020028Z LOCATION:irc://irc.freenode.net#sugar-meeting SEQUENCE:0 STATUS:CONFIRMED SUMMARY:Wiki Team TRANSP:OPAQUE END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR invite.ics Description: application/ics ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [Invitation] Testing SoaS-2 @ Wed Apr 8 10am – 12pm (sugar-de...@list s.sugarlabs.org)
BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Google Inc//Google Calendar 70.9054//EN VERSION:2.0 CALSCALE:GREGORIAN METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VEVENT DTSTART:20090408T14Z DTEND:20090408T16Z DTSTAMP:20090408T032718Z ORGANIZER:mailto:6n9a99dr5knag9tp0obc0rn...@group.calendar.google.com UID:bolecurgudqijk4b69ve8cg...@google.com ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;cn=i...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:i...@lists.sugarlabs .org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;cn=sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:sugar-de...@l ists.sugarlabs.org CLASS:PRIVATE CREATED:20090408T032715Z DESCRIPTION:(join session at any time)\n\nGet the latest SoaS-2 image here: \nhttp://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/?C=M\;O=D\n\nView your eve nt at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEWeid=Ym9sZWN1cmd1ZHFp ams0YjY5dmU4Y2dtdDAgc3VnYXItZGV2ZWxAbGlzdHMuc3VnYXJsYWJzLm9yZwtok=NTIjNm45 YTk5ZHI1a25hZzl0cDBvYmMwcm5jdWdAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbTg5NjJiMjA 5MzAzOWEwNmY2M2EyNjg3NjQwYmE0YmI3N2IyYWMyMWMctz=America%2FNew_Yorkhl=en. LAST-MODIFIED:20090408T032716Z LOCATION:irc://irc.freenode.net#sugar-meeting SEQUENCE:0 STATUS:CONFIRMED SUMMARY:Testing SoaS-2 TRANSP:OPAQUE END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR invite.ics Description: application/ics ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [Updated Invitation] Testing S oaS-2 @ Wed Apr 8 10am – 12pm (sugar-devel @lists.sugarlabs.org)
BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Google Inc//Google Calendar 70.9054//EN VERSION:2.0 CALSCALE:GREGORIAN METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VEVENT DTSTART:20090408T14Z DTEND:20090408T16Z DTSTAMP:20090408T124937Z ORGANIZER:mailto:6n9a99dr5knag9tp0obc0rn...@group.calendar.google.com UID:bolecurgudqijk4b69ve8cg...@google.com ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;RSVP=TRUE ;cn=i...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:i...@lists.sugarlabs.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;RSVP=TRUE ;cn=sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:sugar-de...@lists .sugarlabs.org CLASS:PRIVATE CREATED:20090408T032715Z DESCRIPTION:(join session at any time)\n\nGet the SoaS-2 beta (released tod ay!) here:\nhttp://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/releases/?C=M\;O=D\n\nView y our event at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEWeid=Ym9sZWN1c md1ZHFpams0YjY5dmU4Y2dtdDAgc3VnYXItZGV2ZWxAbGlzdHMuc3VnYXJsYWJzLm9yZwtok=N TIjNm45YTk5ZHI1a25hZzl0cDBvYmMwcm5jdWdAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbTg5 NjJiMjA5MzAzOWEwNmY2M2EyNjg3NjQwYmE0YmI3N2IyYWMyMWMctz=America%2FNew_York hl=en. LAST-MODIFIED:20090408T124935Z LOCATION:irc://irc.freenode.net#sugar-meeting SEQUENCE:0 STATUS:CONFIRMED SUMMARY:Testing SoaS-2 TRANSP:OPAQUE END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR invite.ics Description: application/ics ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [Invitation] Wiki Team @ Mon Apr 13 1pm – 2pm (sugar-de...@lists.suga rlabs.org)
BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Google Inc//Google Calendar 70.9054//EN VERSION:2.0 CALSCALE:GREGORIAN METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VEVENT DTSTART:20090413T17Z DTEND:20090413T18Z DTSTAMP:20090413T034519Z ORGANIZER:mailto:6n9a99dr5knag9tp0obc0rn...@group.calendar.google.com UID:dlv0ok0akcs9kjg4fi7k008...@google.com ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;cn=i...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:i...@lists.sugarlabs .org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;cn=sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:sugar-de...@l ists.sugarlabs.org CLASS:PRIVATE CREATED:20090413T034516Z DESCRIPTION:There is an open agenda.\n\nPlease enter agenda items on this w iki page\,\nhttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Meetings\nView your even t at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEWeid=ZGx2MG9rMGFrY3M5a 2pnNGZpN2swMDgzbnMgc3VnYXItZGV2ZWxAbGlzdHMuc3VnYXJsYWJzLm9yZwtok=NTIjNm45Y Tk5ZHI1a25hZzl0cDBvYmMwcm5jdWdAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbTExZmMzMGYy ZWFkYjg3NWU5NjRjODkzNGFlNDhhNTNkMzhlMzQ3Njgctz=America%2FNew_Yorkhl=en. LAST-MODIFIED:20090413T034518Z LOCATION:irc://irc.freenode.net#sugar-meeting SEQUENCE:0 STATUS:CONFIRMED SUMMARY:Wiki Team TRANSP:OPAQUE END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR invite.ics Description: application/ics ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Feedback on SoaS
See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap/Home_View http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap/Home_View --Fred On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.comwrote: Let me add some thoughts here, too... ... If its not too hard to change I think we should set up a wiki page where we can discuss what should be in the favorites rings and potentially update the image fairly regularly. This is what I've tried to get off the ground several times, for example here (without getting a reply): http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2009-February/012303.html It admittedly concerned the list of included activities, and not only the ones in the ring, but it clearly went in the same direction. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] LiveUSB-creator 3.6.5 may fail silently on Windows
In Windows Vista32, I found that LiveUSB-creator 3.6.5 reported success in creating a Sugar Stick from Soas2-200904231400.iso, but the image failed to boot. In Ubuntu 9.04 (Jackalope64) I then tried Sebastien's livecd-iso-to-disk.sh script from 09 April 2009 ( http://people.sugarlabs.org/sdz/livecd-iso-to-disk.sh), on the same .iso file and found that it failed the verify: Soas2-200904231400.iso: 065249f7642bfec4cd0da94aa99e2f8d Fragment sums: f509dc7ac19135f235da547918cc3ee813c47fabc597f96145c5b8727594 Fragment count: 20 Checking: 100.0% The media check is complete, the result is: FAIL. So, some of the SoaS boot problems may be traced to files that may have been corrupted before final use. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] LiveUSB-creator 3.6.5 may fail silently on Windows
Would this trac instance serve the same purpose?: https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ticket/613 I've put a caution on this page for users, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Windows --Fred On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 01:42, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: In Windows Vista32, I found that LiveUSB-creator 3.6.5 reported success in creating a Sugar Stick from Soas2-200904231400.iso, but the image failed to boot. Could you please enter a ticket in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ ? Would be product Fedora and component liveusb-creator. Thanks, Tomeu In Ubuntu 9.04 (Jackalope64) I then tried Sebastien's livecd-iso-to-disk.sh script from 09 April 2009 (http://people.sugarlabs.org/sdz/livecd-iso-to-disk.sh), on the same .iso file and found that it failed the verify: Soas2-200904231400.iso: 065249f7642bfec4cd0da94aa99e2f8d Fragment sums: f509dc7ac19135f235da547918cc3ee813c47fabc597f96145c5b8727594 Fragment count: 20 Checking: 100.0% The media check is complete, the result is: FAIL. So, some of the SoaS boot problems may be traced to files that may have been corrupted before final use. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] backup : problem opening /library/users/XXXX/datastore-xxxxx/store
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Martin Langhoff ... Note: It won't list metadata-only entries. If there's no 'data' file, it's not listed. Consider the use case where the Journal is used as an log for user activity. Faithful reproduction of that record would be valuable (metadata is data). The spurious generation of Journal entries is a problem that the Glucose developers are working on (and might benefit by having some of those Journal logs). Thanks for your great contributions! --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [Invitation] Sugar developers meeting @ Thu May 21 12pm – 1pm (sugar-deve l...@lists.sugarlabs.org)
BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Google Inc//Google Calendar 70.9054//EN VERSION:2.0 CALSCALE:GREGORIAN METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VTIMEZONE TZID:America/New_York X-LIC-LOCATION:America/New_York BEGIN:DAYLIGHT TZOFFSETFROM:-0500 TZOFFSETTO:-0400 TZNAME:EDT DTSTART:19700308T02 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=3;BYDAY=2SU END:DAYLIGHT BEGIN:STANDARD TZOFFSETFROM:-0400 TZOFFSETTO:-0500 TZNAME:EST DTSTART:19701101T02 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=11;BYDAY=1SU END:STANDARD END:VTIMEZONE BEGIN:VEVENT DTSTART;TZID=America/New_York:20090521T12 DTEND;TZID=America/New_York:20090521T13 DTSTAMP:20090512T155631Z ORGANIZER;CN=Sugar Labs Meetings:mailto:h9cfuk10894em7a8moemquu...@group.ca lendar.google.com UID:222eciks4g9asjqa47a93n1...@google.com ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;cn=sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:sugar-de...@l ists.sugarlabs.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/New_York:20090521T12 CLASS:PRIVATE CREATED:20081011T142137Z DESCRIPTION:Weekly meeting of Sugar developers\n\n16:15 UTC: Jeff Elkner wi ll present the Sugar Labs\, DC project: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/ iaep/2009-May/005689.html\nView your event at http://www.google.com/calenda r/event?action=VIEWeid=MjIyZWNpa3M0Zzlhc2pxYTQ3YTkzbjF1MTBfMjAwOTA1MjFUMTY wMDAwWiBzdWdhci1kZXZlbEBsaXN0cy5zdWdhcmxhYnMub3Jntok=NTIjaDljZnVrMTA4OTRlb TdhOG1vZW1xdXVzbWdAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbWMxNDAwYTA5ZTlmMGFlOTBi NDRiMjc5MWRhNGUyNjEyYzNmOGI1ZjQctz=America%2FNew_Yorkhl=en. LAST-MODIFIED:20090512T155630Z LOCATION:irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting SEQUENCE:2 STATUS:CONFIRMED SUMMARY:Sugar developers meeting TRANSP:OPAQUE END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR invite.ics Description: application/ics ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Packaging team, tools, resources
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Packaging is a wiki page for packaging information. I've added a stub section on a Packaging subteam. Please edit, expand, or move as desired. --Fred On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: On 05/19/09 16:34, David Farning wrote: Infrastructure meeting are (usually) on Fridays. Except that I've been quite negligent in running them, and I'm afraid I'm going to be offline next Friday too. Let's reschedule when I'm back from Paris, or follow up by email. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Packaging team, tools, resources
Sorry, Here is the discussion thread root, http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg04188.html -- Forwarded message -- From: Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com Date: Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:28 PM Subject: Packaging team, tools, resources To: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Packaging is a wiki page for packaging information. I've added a stub section on a Packaging subteam. Please edit, expand, or move as desired. --Fred On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: On 05/19/09 16:34, David Farning wrote: Infrastructure meeting are (usually) on Fridays. Except that I've been quite negligent in running them, and I'm afraid I'm going to be offline next Friday too. Let's reschedule when I'm back from Paris, or follow up by email. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [IAEP] Testing Soas
Hi Tom, Your work on the VMware page, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/VMware, has been helpful. Others may want to collaborate with you there. Please also look at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/BugSquad and its subpages. You could help in verifying and sorting out problems reported in our bug tracking system. Thanks for your contributions! --Fred Forwarded conversation Subject: [IAEP] Testing Soas From: *Thomas C Gilliard* satel...@bendbroadband.com Date: Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:26 PM To: feedb...@sugarlabs.org I have been trying to help test with the resources and skills that I have. I am using VMWorkstation 6.5.2 for testing snapshots burning CD's and attempting Boots with them I have available to my use: 3 Dell Computers: 520n = Ubuntu 9.04 530n = Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (VMworkstation) Dimension 2350 XPPro SP2 (VMworkstation) hp e-pc 1200 (with USB 1.0 only) Fedora 11 (leonidas) from upgraded Preview net install Netbook: EePC900 first linux edition HP Laptop: Multimedia x1000 =Vista Last version of Apple Powerbook G4 I have been helping nubae testing his sugarSUSE builds I have been working on an alternate boot able 1 or 2 USB stick VMPlayer solution to archive Persistent SUGAR entities. (VMWARE on wiki) I am retired and want to help; Please point me in other ways that I can help. Tom Gilliard satellit Bend, OR ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- From: *Walter Bender* walter.ben...@gmail.com Date: Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:37 PM To: Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com Cc: feedb...@sugarlabs.org This is all very valuable help. Thank you. Can you tell me a bit more about your background and interests? There are many different ways to get involved--getting deeper into testing being one obvious one. But outreach, curriculum development, documentation, support, etc. are all in need of more hands as well. (I presume you've visited the http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Getting_Involved page in the wiki?) Thanks for all the help to date. Look forward to hearing from you. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [IAEP] IRC application Autojoin feature does not work on Soas2-20090524 (Soas-1)
Forwarding to sugar-devel. NOTE: Mail sent to feedb...@sugarlabs.org is forwarded to i...@lists.sugarlabs.org subscribers and appears with the [IAEP] prefix and footer, but the post is not in the IAEP Archives, http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/. Forwarded conversation Subject: [IAEP] IRC application Autojoin feature does not work on Soas2-20090524 (Soas-1) From: *Thomas C Gilliard* satel...@bendbroadband.com Date: Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:24 PM To: feedb...@sugarlabs.org Where do I set the autojoin features of the latest Soas -1 iso burned to a CD I check the box on the tab for #opensuse-edu and it does not re-connect when I turn it back on. Is there an overiding config file? Or is this a bug? Tom Gilliard ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- From: *Caroline Meeks* solutiongr...@gmail.com Date: Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:41 PM To: Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com Cc: feedb...@sugarlabs.org Are you running from a CD or a USB? I think the CD can not record any changes so it can't remember anything. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [IAEP] IRC application Autojoin feature does not work on Soas2-20090524 (Soas-1)]
Forwarded conversation Subject: Re: [IAEP] IRC application Autojoin feature does not work on Soas2-20090524 (Soas-1)] From: *Thomas C Gilliard* satel...@bendbroadband.com Date: Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:00 PM To: feedb...@sugarlabs.org Caroline; I tried a burned CD of .iso. There is no memory in computer for changes made while running? SUGAR remembers user name at sign on and changes of colors if not turned off, If do a reboot after change name or colors from controlpanel it goes to a blue autologin screen and comes back with the changes. Is this a feature of Control Panel and not applications? why not auto join in IRC? Regards; Tom Gilliard Caroline Meeks wrote: Are you running from a CD or a USB? I think the CD can not record any changes so it can't remember anything. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote: Where do I set the autojoin features of the latest Soas -1 iso burned to a CD I check the box on the tab for #opensuse-edu and it does not re-connect when I turn it back on. Is there an overiding config file? Or is this a bug? Tom Gilliard -- Forwarded message -- From: Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com To: Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:41:08 -0400 Subject: Re: IRC application Autojoin feature does not work on Soas2-20090524 (Soas-1) Are you running from a CD or a USB? I think the CD can not record any changes so it can't remember anything. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote: Where do I set the autojoin features of the latest Soas -1 iso burned to a CD I check the box on the tab for #opensuse-edu and it does not re-connect when I turn it back on. Is there an overiding config file? Or is this a bug? Tom Gilliard -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- From: *Caroline Meeks* solutiongr...@gmail.com Date: Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:11 PM To: Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com Cc: feedb...@sugarlabs.org Yeah you have a point, I'm not sure. When I get a chance I'll try to test on a USB. Maybe ask in #Sugar? -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal activity release 101 not tagged in Git
David Van Assche surfaced the idea here, http://www.mail-archive.com/i...@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg04259.html, with some recognition of the proposal. There seems to be a de-facto team at work already. Here is a wiki home to start furnishing, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Packaging_Team. --Fred On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Well, I would like to see one day a Packaging Team in Sugar Labs with its space in the wiki, meetings, etc but I'm not aware of any movement yet in that direction. Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session
Is there a wiki page to sign up and coordinate, or what's the procedure? - Bert - http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Collaboration_Testing is available for event references, documentation, etc. It is transcluded for now at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/BugSquad/Meetings --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Collaboration_Central could be upgraded or migrated as a summary page or session report. --Fred On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM, James Simmons jim.simm...@walgreens.comwrote: David, Four of the Activities you will be testing use pretty much the same code for collaboration: sugar-read sugar-readetexts-activity sugar-viewslides sugar-imageviewer Read Etexts and View Slides use code copied from Read. Image Viewer says in its comments that it uses code copied from Read Etexts. All four basically just let you make a copy of the document that is being shared. Read is different from the rest because (the last time I looked) it did not save a copy of the shared document in the Journal. The rest do. Another difference with Read is that it uses meta data in the PDF to give a title to the Journal entry that is sharing the document. Read Etexts and View Slides don't have any meta data in their documents, so documents received from others are given the titles Read Etexts or View Slides. In the Neighborhood view the names of the documents offered for sharing are clearly visible, so you'd think there would be *some* way of getting that information from the sharing Activity so you could update the Title in the Journal but I haven't figured out how to do it. View Slides displays a crude count n of n bytes total when it downloads a file and this seems to work. When I put exactly the same code in Read Etexts it only displayed the final count, not the count in progress. Read Etexts uses multi threading when TTS is installed, and maybe that is related to the reason. Transfer of large files is *very* slow. Hope this information is of some use. James Simmons ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal activity release 101 not tagged in Git
You are already on it by virtue of your work and contributions. Please edit http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Packaging_Team and its pending links/subpages as appropriate. Thank you for contributing so much already! --Fred On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 01:22:03PM -0500, David Farning wrote: The biggest value of a packaging team in my mind is to insure that packagers and distributions have a well defined voice in the ecosystem. Our challenge over the next year will be to determine how to scale Sugar Labs _fairly_ build on the interests, contributions, and needs of the various stakeholders. Ok, convinced. Where do I sign up for that team? - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkopf4wACgkQn7DbMsAkQLjVgQCcDM5p+x3jHw/Plqr2B5tJzz/a TIQAnAw4UVSQwISQ7bPUjAhP4lXqNt3g =RHt/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [math4] Activity Awards, Activity Alerts, Frame Alerts
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: ... FWIW, David Van Assche raised some interesting Activity ideas at SugarCamp Paris and I'm interested/active in getting us to at lease 'demo' state in the Sugar 0.86 release timeframe. The idea is to focus on an 'awards' mechanism/style to encourage exploration and provide (sometimes) unexpected rewards. Idea is that Activity authors can define a range of badges/medals/icons for certain behaviours/ accomplishment in an attempt to get students to dig deeper (mix of 'easter eggs' and specific goals). It's mainly Activity side work (a demo activity to start with) but perhaps could find a home in the Journal (through an ability of Activity to set some private entry tag and for Journal to display that in a user appealing graphical form). Even for something as hard to measure as the Write Activity, there could be 'awards' (hidden or hinted at) for things like found 10 or more collaborators for one document, gained at least 100 words each from 5 or more collaborators, wrote more than 1,000 words, you used the word entomology!. The idea is many would be hidden (surprise, you did something cool!) and that some initial more obvious and visible 'awards' would hint that others were there for discovery. Regards, --Gary P.S. Mechanisms for 'awards' could hook into services like Moodle, the Journal, or via collaboration (so perhaps a shared Write session would show awards gained by the collaborators). Having a view to show all Activity Awards would also be a good driver (could be an activity, or ideally at some point part of Journal). The general idea for awards drifts in from the gaming environment, where awards are used to increase re-playability and tempt folks to try some other possible path. ... Nice concept. Some design and code integration with Activity Alerts, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Almanac/sugar.graphics.alert, and Frame alerts, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Designs/Frame#12http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Designs/Frame#13 , http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Designs/Frame#13, etc. may be appropriate. http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/722 has some discussion. I would like to see more noticeable messages for chat invitation alerts, for example. Don't know where this is recorded for the Sugar 0.86 roadmap, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.86#Proposal_Goals ? The software infrastructure you propose could also be used for random or rule-based, single-point lesson reminders or reinforcers of learning. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting data about the upgrading older machines and SoaS responsiveness.
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.comwrote: Let me echo Caryl's question. Do we have a page with tasks for new volunteers? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO has been restored and is ready to be updated, perhaps restructured to cover this need. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [Updated Invitation] Collabora tion Testing Session @ Wed Jun 10 3pm – 5pm (sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org)
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[Sugar-devel] [Invitation] Sugar developers meeting @ Thu Jun 18 10am – 11am (sugar-dev e...@lists.sugarlabs.org)
BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Google Inc//Google Calendar 70.9054//EN VERSION:2.0 CALSCALE:GREGORIAN METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VTIMEZONE TZID:America/New_York X-LIC-LOCATION:America/New_York BEGIN:DAYLIGHT TZOFFSETFROM:-0500 TZOFFSETTO:-0400 TZNAME:EDT DTSTART:19700308T02 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=3;BYDAY=2SU END:DAYLIGHT BEGIN:STANDARD TZOFFSETFROM:-0400 TZOFFSETTO:-0500 TZNAME:EST DTSTART:19701101T02 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=11;BYDAY=1SU END:STANDARD END:VTIMEZONE BEGIN:VEVENT DTSTART;TZID=America/New_York:20090618T10 DTEND;TZID=America/New_York:20090618T11 DTSTAMP:20090615T201153Z ORGANIZER;CN=Sugar Labs Meetings:mailto:h9cfuk10894em7a8moemquu...@group.ca lendar.google.com UID:asiraaifrvn3ofu758muobh...@google.com ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;CN=Tyler Bragdon;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:tyl...@sugarlabs.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;CN=Wesley Dillingham;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:wwdilling...@gmail.com ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;CN=Eric Mallon;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:ericmal...@sugarlabs.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;CN=Jeremiah Green;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:jrgreen...@gmail.com ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;cn=sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:sugar-de...@l ists.sugarlabs.org RECURRENCE-ID;TZID=America/New_York:20090618T12 CLASS:PRIVATE CREATED:20081011T142137Z DESCRIPTION:At this week's Sugar developer meeting we will welcome:\n\n*Luc ian Branescu Mihaila*\n\nHe is working on this years GSoC project to Sugar ize Web applications.\nLucian will present his project and we will then se e which are the open questions and how we want to move on with it. Designer s are more than welcome as well--since we will have design questions to tal k about as well.\n\nRead more about his GSoC project: http://wiki.sugarlabs .org/go/Webified\n\nLearn what are Site-specific browser is\nhttp://en.wiki pedia.org/wiki/Site-specific_browser\n\nOr check out Lucian's first working code:\nhttp://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/webified/\n\n(You can also have a look at my blog for more info: http://honeyweb.wordpress.com.)\n\nSee you on Thursday\,\n Simon\n\nTime: Thursday 18.06.09 - 14.00 (UTC) --- #sugar -meeting\nView your event at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VI EWeid=YXNpcmFhaWZydm4zb2Z1NzU4bXVvYmhiaXNfMjAwOTA2MThUMTYwMDAwWiBzdWdhci1k ZXZlbEBsaXN0cy5zdWdhcmxhYnMub3Jntok=NTIjaDljZnVrMTA4OTRlbTdhOG1vZW1xdXVzbW dAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbTVkN2QwMTQ2ZGM3MDk4MWI1OTM5NGU3OThhM2ZhZ WZmMmMzYmE0NWMctz=America%2FNew_Yorkhl=en. LAST-MODIFIED:20090615T201153Z LOCATION:irc://irc.freenode.net#sugar-meeting SEQUENCE:6 STATUS:CONFIRMED SUMMARY:Sugar developers meeting TRANSP:OPAQUE END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR invite.ics Description: application/ics ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaborative testing session (tomorrow's meeting, 17th June) reminder
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:11 AM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.comwrote: Hi folks, This is a reminder about the collaborative sugar testing session we are having tomorrow, Wednesday 17th June at 19:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=6day=17year=2009hour=19min=0sec=0p1=0 Notice the asterisk: *** means the time shown is adjusted for daylight saving time(DST) or summer time http://www.timeanddate.com/time/aboutdst.html So, that is 3 pm EDT, 2 pm CDT, 1 pm MDT, 12 pm PDT, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [Invitation] Collaboration Tes ting @ Wed Jun 17 3pm – 5pm (sugar-devel@ lists.sugarlabs.org)
BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Google Inc//Google Calendar 70.9054//EN VERSION:2.0 CALSCALE:GREGORIAN METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VEVENT DTSTART:20090617T19Z DTEND:20090617T21Z DTSTAMP:20090616T165514Z ORGANIZER;CN=Sugar Labs Meetings:mailto:h9cfuk10894em7a8moemquu...@group.ca lendar.google.com UID:ttcdn0kuiinl0p4tqb65ldt...@google.com ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;cn=sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:sugar-de...@l ists.sugarlabs.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;cn=grassro...@lists.laptop.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:grassro...@lists. laptop.org CLASS:PRIVATE CREATED:20090616T165513Z DESCRIPTION:See this discussion thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-d e...@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg05214.html\n\nAnd this wiki page: http://wiki.s ugarlabs.org/go/Collaboration_Testing\n(this page may be edited as might be useful for the collaborative testing.)\n\nView your event at http://www.go ogle.com/calendar/event?action=VIEWeid=dHRjZG4wa3VpaW5sMHA0dHFiNjVsZHRyZDA gc3VnYXItZGV2ZWxAbGlzdHMuc3VnYXJsYWJzLm9yZwtok=NTIjaDljZnVrMTA4OTRlbTdhOG1 vZW1xdXVzbWdAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbWFhMTE1ZjgwNDAxZTVjYjNkNmU3Yj Q4NzhkYTBjN2MxMzgyMDgwM2Ectz=America%2FNew_Yorkhl=en. LAST-MODIFIED:20090616T165513Z LOCATION:irc://irc.freenode.net#sugar-collaboration and jabber.sugarlabs.or g SEQUENCE:0 STATUS:CONFIRMED SUMMARY:Collaboration Testing TRANSP:OPAQUE END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR invite.ics Description: application/ics ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [math4] i18n
Forwarding to a couple of mailing lists... -- Forwarded message -- From: Mike Major jmi...@bellsouth.net Date: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:07 PM Subject: [math4] i18n To: Math List fourthgradem...@lists.sugarlabs.org i'm struggling right now with how to display some text on the screen with some graphics. the easiest way would be to just include it in the svg graphics. [1] however, then i started thinking of internationization (i18n). if the text is in the graphics, it would not be translatable. the questions here is: should i be concerned about i18n? i know this is a open source project and you never know where it might end up. i guess i'm looking for some input and other people's thoughts. -are people planning for i18n? -do we expect that the activities will end up outside of the us? or even in the us and used for teaching non-native english speakers? i guess i'm looking for a get-out-of-jail-free card and wondering if anyone has one. [1] = we're planning on several screens with a graphic and some text to go with it. there will be some back and forward buttons for navigation. i'm trying to find a clean and elegant way of holding the information for the screen information; something like a C-struct i think but i'm not sure yet. thanks for the input, mike ___ FourthGradeMath mailing list fourthgradem...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/fourthgrademath ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] http://translate.sugarlabs.org/ down again
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: Thanks for reporting it. We've been having a lot of trouble with Pootle lately. Possible solutions are being discussed on the systems@ list, if you're interested in the discussion. Which list is that exactly? Is it an open list? --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [Invitation] Activity Team Mee ting @ Fri Jun 26 1pm – 2pm (sugar-devel@ lists.sugarlabs.org)
BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Google Inc//Google Calendar 70.9054//EN VERSION:2.0 CALSCALE:GREGORIAN METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VEVENT DTSTART:20090626T17Z DTEND:20090626T18Z DTSTAMP:20090624T040201Z ORGANIZER;CN=Sugar Labs Meetings:mailto:h9cfuk10894em7a8moemquu...@group.ca lendar.google.com UID:1otu9cnhhqd7s7a19i3n9kc...@google.com ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;cn=de...@lists.laptop.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:de...@lists.laptop.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;cn=i...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:i...@lists.sugarlabs .org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;cn=sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:sugar-de...@l ists.sugarlabs.org CLASS:PRIVATE CREATED:20090624T040200Z DESCRIPTION:http://webchat.freenode.net/?randomnick=1channels=sugar-meetin gprompt=1\n\nAgenda\n- How to move forward with updating Activities via AS LO. Should at\nleast be on roadmap to synchronise work and expectations.\n- Reduce redundant information on w.sl.o\, w.lt.o and ASLO. Factors to\ncons ider:\n -- Expectations of existing user base.\n -- Update mechanism at e xisting deployments.\n -- Reduce overall confusion.\n -- Reduce workload on Activity developers.\n -- Scalability of solution.\n\nView your event a t http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEWeid=MW90dTljbmhocWQ3czdh MTlpM245a2M4Nzggc3VnYXItZGV2ZWxAbGlzdHMuc3VnYXJsYWJzLm9yZwtok=NTIjaDljZnVr MTA4OTRlbTdhOG1vZW1xdXVzbWdAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbTFmZTQ2ZDEyNTg wNzgzNzU3MGZjNWQ5ZGI0MjI2OGJjMjRhNjk1MzIctz=America%2FNew_Yorkhl=en. LAST-MODIFIED:20090624T040201Z LOCATION:irc://irc.freenode.net#sugar-meeting SEQUENCE:0 STATUS:CONFIRMED SUMMARY:Activity Team Meeting TRANSP:OPAQUE END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR invite.ics Description: application/ics ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Design help] for Webified
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: ... I would like to know your opinion, especially if you deal with design. Here are some screenshots of what I have now: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/317039/bookmarklet%20button.png http://files.getdropbox.com/u/317039/create%20ssb.png http://files.getdropbox.com/u/317039/save%20bookmarklet.png Nice work! Try setting the default, page typeface to be the same as used in the Browse toolbar. This should unify the two, and make it seem more like an extension. Thank you for contributing! --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Strawberry VDI, please
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 25 Jun 2009, at 21:00, Dave Bauer wrote: It was creatd witth Virtualbox 2.2.4. I tested on Virtualbox hosts on Linux and Mac OS X. I launched it from a Vista32 host, but had no sound in Speak. See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Getting_Involved/Testing/Soas-strawberry-vdi --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] How to create a project on SugarLabs gitorious?
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi all, I want to maintain the Helpfr activity on the gitorious service. How do I do this? I already have an account on gitorious, with my SSH key uploaded, and my git skills are all right. Thanks for any hint. See this wiki page: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/Git_FAQ --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Source control and project porting
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Abhishek Indoria hackerboymaya...@gmail.com wrote: Dear sir, I wanted to ask how can i set up source control? we are also developing boomingbang project and i want to know how to port the project to Linux. sorry for the language and formatting, the mail is written from cellphone. Please help. If you are targeting the Sugar environment, see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/Git_FAQ. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] How to create a project on SugarLabs gitorious?
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.comwrote: Bastien b...@laptop.org writes: See this wiki page: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/Git_FAQ That's it, thanks. I have uploaded my id_dsa.pub key on my account. I have initiated the local git repo. Here is my .git/config file: , | [core] | repositoryformatversion = 0 | filemode = true | bare = false | logallrefupdates = true | [remote origin] | url = gitori...@git.sugarlabs.org:helpfr/mainline.git | fetch = +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/* | [push] | default = matching ` ~$ git push origin master ask for a password. Which is weird because afaik I didn't protect my public key with a password. Entering anything here results in an access denied or wrong path error I cannot escape. Any idea what I could try? Is it possible you got blacklisted? See the first question, which was recently added to the top of this list, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/Git_FAQ#Help.21_I_suddenly_can.27t_connect_to_Gitorious.21 . --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Trimming down ling wiki names
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: Hi Fred, it might makes sense to trim down our long wiki names. As we heavily use categories now - this might not be an issue. How about we do: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.84 - http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.84/Roadmap and http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Releases/Sucrose/0.84- http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.84/Notes same for 0.82 and 0.86. What do you think? Can you do this without breaking current links? Regards, Simon That should be possible and fits with the idea that DFarning reported of broadening the involvement in the platform development. I'll start with 0.82, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.82, and leave wiki redirects to catch those linking from off-site links in blogs and other references. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] netbook as terminology
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: ... I don't know that we should decide to push a name change on the market. ... Even in the developed world, the Internet is not everywhere, e.g., most classrooms, and as much as it has been good for the service providers to pitch it as true, the cloud is not right solution to every problem. When we speak of netbooks, we can highlight Sugar's intrinsic ability to network and collaborate without the Internet; so, not Internet-book, but network-book! XO-1s do this by default, we should push this capability into any Wi-Fi enabled device running Sugar. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Communicating project goals and Roadmap
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: 2009/7/2 Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com: I don't know Tomeu, what do you think? I sincerely don't know but I hope that someone will explain what they need from the development team to succeed. The idea is that *all* of Sugar Labs needs to think deeply about how we develop the next stage of Sugar and Sugar Labs. What is most important to refine and advance, and what important pieces need to be added. This seems to be a followup to the call for *Champions* to advocate for the features needed to better serve our communities. Champions that can integrate with the Design, Development, Activity, Education, Deployment, Marketing, and other Teams. For example, see this discussion thread on the 'netbook' as terminology, http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg05906.html, and the suggestion to push ad-hoc wireless networking into a native feature of Sugar. This would give Sugar a large, advantageous multiplier effect for creating more pervasive networking to take advantage of our core feature, collaboration. Powerful ideas please step forward... --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Trimming down ling wiki names
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Frederick Grose fgr...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: Hi Fred, it might makes sense to trim down our long wiki names. As we heavily use categories now - this might not be an issue. How about we do: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.84 - http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.84/Roadmap and http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Releases/Sucrose/0.84- http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.84/Notes same for 0.82 and 0.86. What do you think? Can you do this without breaking current links? Regards, Simon That should be possible and fits with the idea that DFarning reported of broadening the involvement in the platform development. I'll start with 0.82, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.82, and leave wiki redirects to catch those linking from off-site links in blogs and other references. --Fred I've moved the Development Team/Releases branch to branches beginning with 0.82, 0.84, 0.86, 0.88 (the stable branches). See now that http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team#Platform_Release_Cycles and #/Subpages are a bit more readable. I seem to have lost http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.84 (notice that it redirects to 0.86/Roadmap). Perhaps it was never saved, but only transformed into the 0.86 roadmap. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Marketing] [SoaS] The next Step: v2 Roadmap
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am going to try to answer this, or actually I hope start a brainstorming session that will get us towards a feature list. ... Here is a wiki page for additional collaboration, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Goals --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Trimming down long wiki names
To continue trimming long wiki names, I propose to shift the Human Interface Guidelines branch, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Human_Interface_Guidelines, to the wiki root, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Human_Interface_Guidelinesredirect=no . This will help to make the http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team#Subpagessection more usable. I'll keep key redirect pages for external links. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Trimming down ling wiki names
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: ... I guess we lost it. Reconstructed from the Google cache for 16 June 2009, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.84/Roadmap. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: ... One thing we could do to try to move forward on the new toolbar concept is to build svg icons for as many of the tabs that are already in use. We need to come up with clear and identifiable icon for each **before** moving forward (not just the few obvious common cases view/edit/image/text/format/ colour/etc). Here's a quick trawl, not a full list. If we can't manage these, it would be unfair to expect Activity Authors to have any more success. Note: that some of these may need Activity specific variants, though we may be able to drop some if we are willing to redesign some Activities current UI: Algebra Audio Books Boolean Browse Chat Collaboration Comment Create Edit Effects Face Format Game Graph Help Image Learn Lessons Library Miscellaneous Montage Video Paint Photo Plain Play Project Read Robot Save/Load Shapes Slides Sort Tab Table Text Tools Trigonometry View Voice Watch Perhaps Gaurav Bhushan could help with icons. He seems to have a knack for expressing abstractions in icons, see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Social_Communication_System.png. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Jaunty up and running
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: ... There was a team of people working on Sugar on Ubuntu, but they didn't had the needed resources and stalled before the 9.04 release. I don't know if getting something packaged for Ubuntu is very hard but Aleksey has packaged Sugar 0.84 for several distros by himself: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Packaging Could you update that table with your opinion on the Ubuntu status? Can you tell me of sugar working on any distro out of the box? are there any success stories? By that table, all distros except Arch Linux and maybe Debian are working, but maybe we need people to actually try them out and update the Status column? ... See also http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Packaging_Team. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Gaurav Bhushan gau...@schmizz.net wrote: Sure Fred, let me know what would be required of me. Perhaps you could look at the list of nouns and verbs below and think of icons to represent them. If you see 'garycmartin' on irc://irc.freenode.net#sugar, ask him his views on what is most lacking. Some in the list (like Paint, Chat, Books) seem to have Sugar icons already, but perhaps Gary is thinking of a more generic expression. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Sugar_Interface/Iconsis the wiki page Eben wrote for icons. Perhaps a gallery for review could be started here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Proposals/Toolbars/Icons I don't remember where Eben has saved the Sugar Theme Icons. Perhaps he could add a reference. Thanks for your contributions! --Fred Regards, Gaurav On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.comwrote: ... One thing we could do to try to move forward on the new toolbar concept is to build svg icons for as many of the tabs that are already in use. We need to come up with clear and identifiable icon for each **before** moving forward (not just the few obvious common cases view/edit/image/text/format/ colour/etc). Here's a quick trawl, not a full list. If we can't manage these, it would be unfair to expect Activity Authors to have any more success. Note: that some of these may need Activity specific variants, though we may be able to drop some if we are willing to redesign some Activities current UI: Algebra Audio Books Boolean Browse Chat Collaboration Comment Create Edit Effects Face Format Game Graph Help Image Learn Lessons Library Miscellaneous Montage Video Paint Photo Plain Play Project Read Robot Save/Load Shapes Slides Sort Tab Table Text Tools Trigonometry View Voice Watch Perhaps Gaurav Bhushan could help with icons. He seems to have a knack for expressing abstractions in icons, see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Social_Communication_System.png. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Problems running Sugar under Jaunty (9.04)
A new entry today on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Community/Distributions/Ubuntu: (from) Neil Mayhew http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Nmayhew 16:28, 10 July 2009 (UTC) I was able to make the sugar packages work by adding a gconf setting: gconftool-2 -s /desktop/sugar/desktop/favorites_layout -t string ring-layout I think this will be fixed by adding the right gconf schema to the package, and hopefully will be fixed in version 0.84. There are still lots of non-fatal error messages in the terminal, but it looks like these can be ignored. I used sugar-emulator --dpi=200. Logging in to a Sugar session from gdm worked too. Previously, it was thought that a problem with Xephyr and dbushttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/325706 was at fault, but the above workaround shows that it's a Sugar packaging problem. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Translation on the wiki
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.comwrote: ... 2. Someone deleted the http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translations page I created a while ago. This page was meant to monitor wiki translations. Maybe this was not a convenient way to work for everyone but at least I was using it. Why deleting it?. Hi Bastien, I don't find a deletion log for that page. Although there have been several similarly named pages deleted or moved, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALogtype=deleteuser=page=Translatpattern=1year=month=-1hide_patrol_log=1 Perhaps this Category page, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:Translated , or one of these category pages, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndexfrom=Translatnamespace=14 , or on of these Template pages, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndexfrom=Translatnamespace=10 , or one of the pages at the top of this list, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndexfrom=Translatnamespace=0 , may have what you are looking for. (These links started on the http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:SpecialPages page.) --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS Meeting TODAY at 10.30 EDT
MeetBot Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.log.20090713_1034.html MeetBot outline: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.minutes.20090713_1034.html On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Sebastian, Sorry I missed this one. Will the minutes be published anywhere? Peter On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com wrote: Sorry for the short notice, but please join if you can. That's in half an hour from now! Topics will include the roadmap features for v2. --Sebastian ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Fedora-olpc-list mailing list fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] note about questions in #sugar
Other options that can be recommended are the Team and Project FAQ pages each with Talk:[Team]/FAQ links for posting new questions on the Sugar Labs wiki. There is also the http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_help#Help_Requests: page. These may focus the question to the appropriate parties, but it means that the appropriate parties need to have watches set for those pages so that they are notified of edits to those pages. --Fred On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi, when someone asks a question in #sugar about a part of the project in which we aren't directly involved, it would be good to tell those people to try again at a later moment or send email to the mailing list. We have contributors from all around the world and the chances that the most appropriate person for replying that question is not around at a given time is quite high. It's ok with helping as much as any of us can, but I have seen several times that someone left the channel with well-intended but wrong instructions or with the impression that nobody in the SugarLabs community has that knowledge where it isn't like that. Thanks, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Click response areas
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Eduardo H. Silva hoboprim...@gmail.comwrote: ... (Students at the Gardner Pilot Academy...) - Clicked on drop down instead of icon (e.g. clicking stop they put the cursor over the stop sign then saw the drop down text saying Stop then clicked on that and nothing happens. They should click directly on the stop sign itself. Stop is probably the first toolbar button a user/kid uses, so I think it is normal that they don't yet know how it works. Is there a sufficient reason that the button label is not click-responsive? Having a larger target is a benefit for all users. Radio buttons and check marks that respond when their text labels are clicked are more usable, as well. --Fred ... ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Click response areas
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Eben Eliason e...@laptop.org wrote: ... (Students at the Gardner Pilot Academy...) - Clicked on drop down instead of icon (e.g. clicking stop they put the cursor over the stop sign then saw the drop down text saying Stop then clicked on that and nothing happens. They should click directly on the stop sign itself. Stop is probably the first toolbar button a user/kid uses, so I think it is normal that they don't yet know how it works. Is there a sufficient reason that the button label is not click-responsive? No, this is a long-standing bug. The primary palette which serves as a label for the button should be a clickable extension of the button itself. See http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6023 opened in January 2008--now with a redirection to--http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/991 opened in late June 2009. http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1064, opened in mid-July 2009, was also redirected. --Fred Having a larger target is a benefit for all users. Radio buttons and check marks that respond when their text labels are clicked are more usable, as well. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Physics activity Play/Stop
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.comwrote: Hi Asaf, On 20 Jul 2009, at 06:16, Asaf Paris Mandoki wrote: ... 4. Make the Play/Stop button more conspicuous, maybe change its color(s). Not so hot on this one :-) It breaks the Sugar design guidelines (colour represents user identity). Now I know Walter has quite seriously gone and broken these guidelines with some of his technicolor tool icons in TurtleArt... The shock, the horror... But not sure we should continue that slide in Sugar guideline standards ;-) Pro: Yes, black and white for Stop, and colour for Play is quite visually effective. Con: Once we start to creep into colour tool icons they'll start appearing all over the place and the collaboration colour == identity metaphor will start to break down. The high contrast silhouette of icon shapes is a strong component and differentiator of the Sugar UI design. The current 'Play' and 'Stop' icons are from the standard Sugar artwork set, perhaps we should just improve them. I was never completely keen on both their silhouette shapes being round, or perhaps it would be enough for the fill/stroke to be inverted between stop play shapes? Eben: maybe there is some design middle ground for having some tool icon colour in the HIG? Perhaps with a strict specification, say like a single colour (different brightness allowed) may be used in addition to white transparent, but only for toggle or radio buttons to indicate important active vs inactive states? But I'm not convinced. It feels like an erosion of a strong design principle. Perhaps, anticipating future collaboration of Physics models, the Play/Stop toggle could bear the color of the invoker. This would provide some additional information on who started or stopped the model. (The toggles are labeled Start/Stop. Play fits the graphic better; Pause--with the player control graphics--may be appropriate and distinguish it from the Activity Stop button label.) --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA reports and target features
Hi Greg, The Rochester, NY Sugar Summer Program Co-ops will be in Boston, Massachusetts 10-16 August 2009 with a commitment to help with any needed tasks in the final week at Gardner. Our Massachusetts field trip is described here, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Summer_Program/Massachusetts_Field_Trip. I've asked our group of 6 to brief themselves with the project page and the class notes discussions in preparation for the field trip. We would be happy to pickup any menial tasks that you team identifies. As we will be there during the final week for the GPA summer school, we might also be able to act as interviewers and reduce familiarity bias with the local subjects, if exiting interviews were in your plans. Looking forward to meeting you and the team, --Fred On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Greg Smith gregsmit...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I came up with a strategy to focus development on a successful Sugar implementation in a single school. On the reports: I updated the Sugarlabs GPA wiki page with some more links to the reports: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Gardner_Pilot_Academy#Class_notes In the future I will try to write a short focused summary for the list and post the full notes on the wiki. On Development, Bugs, and Features: I want to make a list of features and fixes focused on GPA. Once we have a prioritized list we can sort them in to target releases. So they wont be target 0.86 for a while. I will add GPA to the Keywords in Trac and list main features here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Goals I want to build the SW work list from the ground up. That is, define the curriculum, the lesson plans and the interaction in class first. Then list the barriers and enhancements based on that. All other roadmap work is great, as long as there are no regressions :-) I'm all for it but I'll focus on GPA impacting items for now. If you are coding something you think will be used in GPA, let me know. One exception is Gary's Toolbar idea. I'll study it and synch with Caroline about options for testing it in class. I added a link to the curriculum at GPA on the wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Gardner_Pilot_Academy#Curriculum \ And a list of lesson plans (work flow examples). I put in two from classes I was in. Please add more if you have them. I will also ask the Sur list and research lesson plans from XO deployments. That's my strategy and work plan for the near term. Any comments, additions or suggestions are welcome. Next up is reading the bug db and asking for status of main Goals (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Goals). That plus studying the curriculum and creating/finding more lesson plans. If that looks like a good plan, is anyone up for working it with me? I see four main roles: 1 - Bug scrub, update and tracking. Help tag all GPA related bugs, make sure developers understand them, get any added details needed, get them assigned, and check for status. 2 - Curriculum creators. Get up to speed on curriculum and goals of the projects. Come up with and document new lesson plans. 3 - Technical testing and support. People to reproduce bugs, get latest software, try out and verify possible solutions and maintain a test bed of what the class is doing. Could be the same person as 1. 4 - Developers ready to resolve issues. Hopefully a few generalists who can help fix any problem, be it activity or sugar core related. Hopefully several people beyond the existing primary developers. Unicast or reply on list if you want to chip on any of that. No hard commitment needed, I'll take what I can get. My time may become constrained again but my goal is a solid list of classes with working code to support them, in place before the end of August. Thanks, Greg S ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] First stab at a questionnaire for deployments (was: First step towards an efficient feedback process)
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:42 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:34, Christoph Derndorferchristoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:22 AM, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: ... Since I had some minutes to spare I took a first quick stab at what such a questionnaire for deployments both small and large could look like. This is definitely pre-Alpha quality but might be a good starting point when it comes to getting more information from deployments. http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dG50R2wzakRZX0h6WjI4Y29RMkZacUE6MA .. Linked on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/TODO It looks like an excellent start! It looks to be oriented both towards a deployer (that could be country-wide) and towards teachers. Maybe we should have two different forms as both profiles will have very different information to give? Perhaps some of these survey questions would be suitable, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Education_Team/Survey_questions and http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Education_Team/Survey_questions. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Grassroots-l] Anyone using the Map activity?
Forwarding to the Sugar community lists... http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Map_(activity) http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Map_(activity) -- Forwarded message -- From: Nick Doiron ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:37 PM Subject: [Grassroots-l] Anyone using the Map activity? To: grassro...@lists.laptop.org Hi, I've been working on modifications to the Map activity. I will be switching to a new, faster Google Maps version designed for mobile devices, and I'm adding new features like distance, area, and collaboration. I was wondering if your XO group has tried the Map activity and had any input on its redesign. Thanks for your help, Nick Doiron ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Ndoiron ___ Grassroots mailing list grassro...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] icons for paragraph toolbar
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: ... Insert table icon is already in sugar-artwork, it's called insert-table.svg and looks OK to me, but I can't see it being set by the InsertToolbar class so it looks like we get a default low res bitmap instead: What we currently get is What we should be getting is I'd be very tempted to use this for the Table primary icon (as well as for the add table palette). The rest of the table SVG icons seem reasonable to me (add row, remove row, add column, remove column): The insert and delete row/column icons have arrows that suggest the movement of the surrounding data rather than the selected object (row or column), which would be highlighted. Please consider following that convention to show the action on the selected object, similar to the attached (rows column.PNG). Thanks for your efforts! --Fred attachment: table_tools.pngattachment: rows.PNGattachment: column.PNG___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] icons for paragraph toolbar
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: ... The insert and delete row/column icons have arrows that suggest the movement of the surrounding data rather than the selected object (row or column), which would be highlighted. Please consider following that convention to show the action on the selected object, similar to the attached (rows column.PNG). Just to be clear. So it's not so much the use of arrows, but that the specific object affected (a row, a column) is not highlighted clearly in the icons? With 2 tones of gray, light and dark, (over the black background and white outline), I have trouble instantly identifying which is the highlight. In the delete case, if there is a highlight, it would seem to be the outer elements, so that suggests the darker gray is the highlight. I may be confused because the row or column that I highlighted in the sheet usually takes on a darker shade, while the center row or column in the icon is lighter. It requires me a lot of thought to work out a logic that overcomes what appears to be a dissonance between the subject and action of the arrow and my perception of the intended action. Thanks again Gary, hope that helps, --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Calculate toolbars work in progress shots
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: ... OK, this is the best I have right now. As you can see, it is just the old Miscellaneous tab content all under an icon (intended for the Constants). If I can wrangle the code tomorrow in a way works for old and new toolbars, I'll add a couple more constants (Golden Ratio, and Euler's Constant) and move Plot, deg/rad, sci/exp, and digits - though I'll have to leave out any string changes for the new constants, so their hover palettes are likely to be an uninformative φ (lowercase Greek letter phi), γ (lowercase Greek gamma): The icons look nice. Would it make sense to keep the number base, units, or notation visible on the primary bar at all times? Are base 2, 8, 16 number displays supported? --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] 0.86 Activity Release Notes
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: Dear Sucrose Activity Maintainers, for the 0.86 Release notes I need your help. It would be awesome to get detailed notes for each activity. Definitely the Fructose ones - as well the Honey activities are welcome. Please use the Template [1] to create a page and link it appropriately at [2]. The template contains comments for each section. As an example you can look at the Browse 0.84 release notes [3] as well. Deadline: Friday, September 18th Thanks, Your Release Team [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/Activity_Templatehttp://sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/Activity Template [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/Notes#Fructose_2 [3] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.84/Browse ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason
See http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/535#comment:5, Expose Journal, Home, Group, Neighborhood, Frame Sources, where it's suggested that we extend the 'Show Source' facility to more of Sugar. Learners like to exercise and demonstrate their knowledge by customizing or changing their environments. We can guide them to learn deeper concepts by giving them ways to encode their customizations. (Providing a convenient undo, save, and restore facility for their work would accelerate their learning.) The 'Modifying Sugar' chapter in our manual, http://en.flossmanuals.net/Sugar/ModifyingSugar, provides a nice entry ramp for this learning activity. We could provide a similar tutorial for other Sugar features and then benefit from the creativity of all our learners. On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 13:35 +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote: So +1 to look customization. E.g., why not allow to change the gray frame color? In Etoys you can at least change the toolbar color (not permanently though, I should fix that). Even if it enrages our latte-drinking black-wearing designer friends ;) they're kids after all ... I feel that Sugar should aim to reach the same level of hackability of eToys: every UI element is an object that you could drag, drop, copy or modify. Of course, this has consequences in terms of stability and clarity. Before we could unleash this power we need to think of ways to recover from mistakes. If multiple undo is too hard, a restore everything to defaults might be good enough. Perhaps we're worrying too much. Re-installing the system from USB takes only 3 minutes and is already being done very often. A boy just showed up on the door of the repair lab, saying: se borró el Navegador (the Browse activity deleted itself :-) All we need to do is make the backup-update-restore procedure slightly more automated so that kids and teachers could do it without bothering the technicians. Actually, we don't even need to worry too much for a solid backup and restore procedure. I've always suspected that most kids wouldn't care about preserving their diary. Now it's confirmed: kids are flocking here to get the new version of Sugar even though their journals are not going to be preserved across the upgrade. On the other hand, teachers and teacher trainers always ask to preserve the content of their journal. Technicians use a pair of simple shell scripts to tar up the journal to a USB stick, so they don't depend on being within the range of the correct school server. I'll summarize all these things in a field report asap. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.88.0 Stable Release
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: ... * Do newest release of Browse work on 0.84? * Is (newest releases of) jukebox and imageviewer part of 0.84? See perhaps, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:Platform_Cycle Thanks for your interest! ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Remove the keep button from the default activity toolbar
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi, No, sorry. The current prompt-on-quit is fine, as it only occurs when you stop a brand new activity instance. It basically asks do you want me to keep track of this thing in your Journal, and from then on it will auto-save as usual. Since the Keep button is causing so much confusion, I was proposing to remove it for now (until we have more complete version support), but keep the prompt the first time a new instance is stopped. We can still skip the prompt if the instance is manually renamed, under the assumption that naming the item implies a desire to track it in the Journal. Got it, sounds good, thanks. Here's the obvious patch. -0.5 Please, let's move halfway so we don't break workflows already established. For example, someone has already developed lessons for that involve keeping Physics models at various stages of development. Keeping a copy from the Activity tool bar is a part of that. Could we instead hide the Keep a copy button so that it only appears on the pressing of the 'Alt key'. this should take away the temptation for the 'unsweetened' to become 'bitter'. It will take a while before old habits change and a new mental model of keeping ones work takes hold. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Remove the keep button from the default activity toolbar
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.orgwrote: On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 20:34 -0400, Frederick Grose wrote: Got it, sounds good, thanks. Here's the obvious patch. -0.5 Please, let's move halfway so we don't break workflows already established. For example, someone has already developed lessons for that involve keeping Physics models at various stages of development. Keeping a copy from the Activity tool bar is a part of that. Could we instead hide the Keep a copy button so that it only appears on the pressing of the 'Alt key'. this should take away the temptation for the 'unsweetened' to become 'bitter'. It will take a while before old habits change and a new mental model of keeping ones work takes hold. How about folding Keep a copy inside the popup menu for the Stop button? ... Yes that would work, and wouldn't leave a hidden button taking up space on the tool bar. By the way, I don't see how one keeps a copy from the Journal to a new Journal item. One can copy to the clipboard and then keep a text file to the Journal from the primary Journal view (in the panel for the object icon - Sugar 0.88), and, in the extended Journal object view, one can copy files as text to attached devices--but how would one keep a copy of the running Activity? Thanks for the consideration! --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Remove the keep button from the default activity toolbar
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.orgwrote: On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 23:35 -0400, Frederick Grose wrote: Yes that would work, and wouldn't leave a hidden button taking up space on the tool bar. Ok, we'll work on a patch to do this. By the way, I don't see how one keeps a copy from the Journal to a new Journal item. One can copy to the clipboard and then keep a text file to the Journal from the primary Journal view (in the panel for the object icon - Sugar 0.88), and, in the extended Journal object view, one can copy files as text to attached devices--but how would one keep a copy of the running Activity? Ugh. We clearly need to put a lot more thought into Journal interaction: * lack of multiple selection makes certain tasks such as copying 10 photos to a pendrive amazingly repetitive and slow. * lack of a size column in the list view makes it hard to identify large items that could be deleted to free up some space. We should review this section of our design guidelines, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Laptop_Experience/The_Journal#The_Notion_of_.22Keeping.22 . The 'Incremental backups paragraph' may be mis-worded. The 'keep (a copy)' button instantiates a new copy of the Activity. The incremental backups and keep-hints are said to 'keep a copy', but rather, they update and persist the working copy from the Learner's point of view. Perhaps we should just label the button or option 'Copy' because that is both the result and the action (at least in English where it is both a noun and a verb). I imagine that with the 'Keep a copy' action option on the proposed, 'Stop' button panel, Sugar Learners might see that phrase, and again, panic about 'saving' their Activity. An action option labelled 'Copy' may instead suggest that a new instance would be created, rather than suggest that they need to 'keep' their Activity or 'lose' it. The proposed 'Copy' icon might be improved by hinting that a new instance of the current Activity is to go (copied) into the Journal, perhaps by placing a new-object star (*) above the arrow pointing to the Journal. (See attached example.) --Fred attachment: Copy.png___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Remove the keep button from the default activity toolbar
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 01:10:53PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote: I imagine that with the 'Keep a copy' action option on the proposed, 'Stop' button panel, Sugar Learners might see that phrase, and again, panic about 'saving' their Activity. An action option labelled 'Copy' may instead suggest that a new instance would be created, rather than suggest that they need to 'keep' their Activity or 'lose' it. I like the proposal of renaming Keep to Copy and placing it in the palette of the Stop button. I was a bit worried about it getting confused with the clipboard action of the same name, but making it a secondary action of the Stop button should help with that. The proposed 'Copy' icon might be improved by hinting that a new instance of the current Activity is to go (copied) into the Journal, perhaps by placing a new-object star (*) above the arrow pointing to the Journal. (See attached example.) At least to me this icon isn't intuitive (I wouldn't even suspect what it does without reading the text; having read the text, the icon does not make the meaning any more clear). Maybe we should use some icon that indicates duplication? I can't think of one right now (two Journals wouldn't be right because we duplicate an entry, not the entire Journal), but maybe someone else has an idea? Here's another attempt to symbolize the concept in a 'keepcopy' icon derived from the paste icon, since we are pasting a new copy into the Journal. --Fred attachment: keepcopy.svg___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Shave off unnecessary dependencies from jhbuild
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 06:19:09PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: ... [Hulahop] Fedora has 0.7.1. Lucid does not seem to have it at all. Was the package dropped or what? Oh, you're right. I got confused by the many different Ubuntu releases; hulahop is only included up to Karmic. They have dropped hulahop from Lucid because it requires xulrunner and python-xpcom. That reminds me I should request Sugar to be removed from Lucid. With almost no activities packages and no Browse to download them from activities.sugarlabs.org, it's pretty much useless to ordinary users. Please don't do this. It would interrupt developers trying to investigate Sugar. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: On 04/27/2010 08:54 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: ... What is missing is a badge to indicate if the network is active (someone has created the adhoc network already). Any good ideas how that badge could look like? Shouldn't ad-hoc network icons be gray if empty/inactive and colored by the creator's Sugar Learner colors once created? If the creator's beacon stops, then subsequent beaconer's colors might be adopted (if you want to extract that information)[1]. Although, the color change may be the source of some confusion. --Fred [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg07668.html ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: frederick wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: On 04/27/2010 08:54 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: ... What is missing is a badge to indicate if the network is active (someone has created the adhoc network already). Any good ideas how that badge could look like? Shouldn't ad-hoc network icons be gray if empty/inactive and colored by the creator's Sugar Learner colors once created? If the creator's beacon stops, then subsequent beaconer's colors might be adopted (if you want to extract that information)[1]. Although, the color change may be the source of some confusion. why would anyone care who created an ad-hoc network? by their nature (from a user's perspective) they're anonymous, especially in this case, where their names (as i understand it) are pre-configured. Perhaps I'm confused by the situation? With XO-1 mesh networks, the Neighborhood view would show 3 mesh network icons, all in the Sugar learner's color, plus any access points in various colors. One would have to hover over a network to see its channel or name. The 3 mesh networks could not be distinguished by passive observation. Once a populated network is joined, Sugar learners could see any Neighborhood Activities and associated learners and proceed to participate. It is proposed that the ad-hoc network icons distinguish themselves in 2 ways. First, are they populated? This allows one to join a populated network versus an empty one, or one where you are the only member. Second, of multiple networks (Neighborhoods), which might I want to join? Here, the color of the creator or successor is a hint, but a Neighborhood name would be best. This relates to Simon's second question. If they all have the same name, that is less useful than if the creator or a successor could supply a useful name. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: On 05/04/2010 03:09 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: ... since I am good at playing with SVGs by now I made a quick sketch. The 'dotted' version and the no bg version is attached. Perhaps fewer breaks and round caps on the segments... Broken gray and no background for ''empty will aid accessibility on monochrome displays. (I don't think 'colored stroke and no fill' is in the Sugar style book, so we should perhaps avoid a perplexing inconsistency.) And what of useful names? Thanks, --Fred attachment: channel11empty.svg___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: On 05/04/2010 03:09 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: ... since I am good at playing with SVGs by now I made a quick sketch. The 'dotted' version and the no bg version is attached. Seems my last attachment was empty. Perhaps fewer breaks and round caps on the segments... Broken gray and no background for ''empty will aid accessibility on monochrome displays. (I don't think 'colored stroke and no fill' is in the Sugar style book, so we should perhaps avoid a perplexing inconsistency.) And what of useful names? Thanks, --Fred attachment: channel11empty.pngattachment: channel11empty.svg___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Application developed by Tam Tam Team failed to start in Sugar 0.88, Ubuntu 9.10
forwarding to ubuntu-sugart...@lists.ubuntu.com... Forwarded conversation Subject: [Sugar-devel] Application developed by Tam Tam Team failed to start in Sugar 0.88, Ubuntu 9.10 From: *ginovation* ginovat...@gmail.com Date: Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:13 AM To: to...@sugarlabs.org, sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Hello, We are using and implementing sugar Desktops, alternatives to XO in our labs and school nearby. We have installed sugar in Ubuntu 9.10, sugar-platform 0.88. In which all the application related to Tam Tam like TamTamMini, TamTamJam, TamTamSynthlab failed to start. I tried to run the apps from python Prompt using python 2.6 and also python 2.5, it gives me following error, For TamTamJam, In TamTamJam.Activity/Jam/Picker.py file error: Deprecation Warning: the sets module is deprecated import sets For TamTamMini and TamTamSynthLab, I am pasting the last line of error, raise key error (key) KeyError: 'SUGAR_BUNDLE_PATH' I didn't understand the problem. Also Browse apps failed in Sugar-platform 0.88, Ubuntu 10.04 showing error : libxul.so.5.1 , file not found For above problem I install xulrunner packages, which inturn disturbed my whole Ubuntu system. We have to deploy this at a school, will you please provide a solution on this. -- Ganesh Gajare (Dragger) Be a FOSSERS, use GNU/Linux ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- From: *Walter Bender* walter.ben...@gmail.com Date: Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:33 AM To: ginovation ginovat...@gmail.com Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Installed from the ppa? Failed to start from within Sugar? Can you please attach log files? These programs are (AFAIK) enabled for running outside of Sugar. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Persistent home setting
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Mahesh Jayachandra mahesh_jayachan...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear List, I am remastering SOAS and would like to set the persistent home to 50MB. What do I need to do? See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/LiveOS_image. The persistent storage is set during image installation. 50 MB is quite small and may lead to rapid exhaustion of the write-once overlay. I once experimented with that size and found that I got Journal full messages on first boot. I now test with 100-MB persistent overlays and home directories. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Change default Neighborhood network settings for greater security
Posted on the Sugar Labs wiki, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Request_New_Features#Change_default_Mesh_settings_for_greater_security , Change default Mesh settings for greater security We were very excited to try Sugar on a Stick (Mirabelle). However, I was very surprised to find lots of users with whom I could make friends, some of whom seemed to have included their real names! It took some digging in this Wiki to find out that I just had to delete the Mesh entry (i.e., the reference to jabber.sugarlabs.org) so that only Sugar users on our Wi-Fi would show up. There may be a genuine security concern here. We simply have no way of knowing who the other users are with whom a child can make friends. All it would take is for one bad thing to happen for the Sugar project to suffer. While we love the idea of children from all over the world collaborating on-line, perhaps pragmatic concerns about the security of all children should lead us, at the very least, to have the default setting on the Mesh entry as a blank. Parents and teachers will then be responsible for enabling this feature, if they so wish. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Inter-wiki integration example and opportunities
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.orgwrote: ... http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Keyboard_shortcuts BTW, I think we should migrate this page somewhere into wiki.sl.org... where would be a good place? Perhaps somewhere within the HIG? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines The page is now embedded at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Keyboard_shortcuts in order to maintain single source and history while putting the title within the search scope of wiki.laptop.org. The HIG link in the first paragraph points to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Sugar_Interface/Input_Systems#Keyboard_Shortcuts , which points back to the http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Keyboard_shortcuts page. (If we enable inter-wiki transclusions on both wikis, we could avoid the divergence of source and history for pages like the HIG.) (Inter-wiki searching remains as a systems administration feature development opportunity.) --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Inter-wiki integration example and opportunities
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: El Tue, 08-06-2010 a las 23:55 -0400, Frederick Grose escribió: ... (If we enable inter-wiki transclusions on both wikis, we could avoid the divergence of source and history for pages like the HIG.) What should we do on the Sugar Labs side to enable this? From /srv/www-sugarlabs/wiki-devel/LocalSettings.php # 10Nov2009 fgrose $wgEnableScaryTranscluding = true; The http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:Interwiki transclude flag has already been set to yes. How many of the HIG pages do have content which applies both to OLPC and Sugar? http://wiki-devel.sugarlabs.org/go/Template:Transclude has another example. I would transclude the full HIG into wiki.laptop.org (from wiki.sugarlabs.org) after capturing any edits since the import. But that would require OLPC to enable the interwiki transcluding. Thanks! --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Alerting users in case of write errors (sl#1842)
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.comwrote: I was planning on fixing sl#1842 [1] but I'm not sure what should be the correct method of alerting users incase a write error does occur. Should I popup a dialog box, or use alerts like the one used in chat, sugar-commander? Suggestions welcome. [1] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1842, An alert like a chat or Activity sharing invitation would be nice, but one with a more visible signal is needed. I imagine an alert icon that rises out of the Frame, enlarges and glows for a few moments, then settles back to the Frame, but then shows a glowing edge or corona and bumps up slightly every 15 or 30 seconds in case the learner was focused on another Activity at the time the alert was first displayed (or just decided to postpone attention to the alert and then forgot about the pending need for attention). Of course, the icon should be clickable and reveal a useful palette of actions at any point in its lifetime. New alerts with behavior like the above would be welcome for invitations as well as errors. Thanks! --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Datastore rewrite
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.orgwrote: El Sat, 12-06-2010 a las 11:40 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz escribió: It is one thing to say that we need a new datastore, and another to say what the new datastore should look like. I believe we have consensus on the first part, and I'm fairly sure we don't have consensus on the second. I tend to agree with you. For the record, I am pushing a proposal in which no deltas are computed. Files are stored as whole files. Instead, I want each datastore object version to consist of an entire directory. To save space, files that are identical inside multiple objects would only be stored once on disk. This allows us to store and launch Activity Bundles directly from the journal. It also allows slight modifications to objects (including activities) to be stored efficiently if the object consists of multiple files and not all of them are changed. Sounds like a good approach, please ping me to review the spec when it's available. Some references here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Proposals/Journal Sascha Silbe's Datastore redesign draft with embedded comments from Eben, Tomeu, Sascha: https://docs.google.com/a/sugarlabs.org/Doc?docid=0AUl2E5uTm959ZGd3N3FucXdfMWhzbjVjeGhthl=en (Sugar Labs account holders may edit this document.) As an optimization to reduce the number of inodes and vfs syscalls, perhaps it might be worthwhile to let the activity specify whether it needs to store one file or a directory with multiple files. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Displaying the current status of system resources (such as memory, cpu)
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: On 06/15/2010 05:48 PM, Anish Mangal wrote: Sugar presently lacks a means to display the current status of system resources such as free memory, CPU load, etc. I'd like form an opinion as to what should be the ideal way to make these numbers available to the user. That's a great question! The original Sugar design specifically called for the Home View's Activity Ring [1] to display the memory usage of every running activity, and there were even test implementations of this. It proved difficult to measure memory usage well, and the Activity Ring was dropped with the Sugar 0.82 interface redesign. However, tools for measuring memory usage in Linux have improved since then. I think showing the memory usage of each activity would be very useful. Showing per-activity CPU usage would also be interesting, although I think it is both harder and less useful than memory usage, because it changes so rapidly. Perhaps an icon (or a set of icons) could be added to frame to graphically display real time data, their context menu revealing more detailed information. I personally think that per-activity numbers are often more interesting than system-wide numbers. As such, I would associate the resource utilization statistics with each running activity's icon in the taskbar (top frame bar). The problem is how to display the information in a way that is discoverable but not intrusive. --Ben [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_ring See also http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Talk:Designs/Activity_Management#Memory_economicshttp://wiki.laptop.org/go/Talk:Designs/Activity_Management#Memory_economics: and Eben's reply, http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2008-April/005021.html. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] New share button style
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.orgwrote: Hi all, While sugarizing GCompris, I've implemented new ShareButton style in polyol[1] (while changing share status it pulsing by setting alpha channel). I think it would be not bad to use the same style for all combobox like tool buttons. [1] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/tmp/share-menu.ogv This enlivens the interface, and should only be a compliment to the more standard 'busy' cursor because the gray-scale tone changes of the pulsing can be missed in suboptimal viewing conditions. There are several situations where a busy cursor is needed. Among them are these: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/405 http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/851 or http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3617 Thanks,--Fred http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/405 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] New share button style
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 04:47:30AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:09:24AM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: ... This enlivens the interface, and should only be a compliment to the more standard 'busy' cursor because the gray-scale tone changes of the pulsing can be missed in suboptimal viewing conditions. There are several situations where a busy cursor is needed. Among them are these: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/405 http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/851 or http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3617 Not trying to argue but for me busy cursor means that the whole application is in suspended (more or less) state, but in case of share button, activity could be used as usual. There is also another reason against setting cursor. ShareButton is only low level widget which is not aware of high level use cases where global setting like changing cursor is unaccessible (or sounds overkill). Yes, those are good reasons not to modify the cursor in the Activity sharing case. For the general case that you suggested, the throbbing icon is a nice feature, but to serve those with low vision or in a difficult viewing environment, a small, high-contrast element or badge (perhaps a small stop sign, or just a small x as a badge on the icon) should be added. What about just making ShareButton inactive while changing status? http://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/tmp/share-meornu-sensitive.ogvhttp://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/tmp/share-menu-sensitive.ogv That would work in the successful or quick failure cases, but if there was a failure, and the process was stuck retrying, the static signal would not provide the information about process state. See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Sugar_Interface/Controls/Indicators for some other ideas on how to badge the icon with process state information. Thanks again!--Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] New share button style
... For the general case that you suggested, the throbbing icon is a nice feature, but and to serve those with low vision or in a difficult viewing environment, a small, high-contrast element or badge (perhaps a small stop sign, or just a small x as a badge on the icon) should be added. The busy emblem, http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-artwork/repos/mainline/blobs/master/icons/scalable/emblems/emblem-busy.svg, applied to the lower right corner of the icon, is available for this purpose. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
