Re: UA Spoofing.

[David E. Ross]

On 8/28/10 7:43 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:
> Manuel Reimer wrote:
>> Robert Kaiser wrote:
>>> Actually, as much as I hate appending "Firefox" to any UA string of
>>> browsers that are not Firefox, I just filed a bug to make any Gecko that
>>> not has "Firefox" in its UA string right now to send one in the future.
>>
>> I don't think this is a good idea. Webmasters should learn to match for
>> "Gecko".
>>
>> Yours
>>
>> Manue
>   While that is noble thought. The reality is, most webmasters for most 
> commercial Sites don't give a rats behind. The will sniff on FireFox not 
> gecko. In fact I would be shocked and surprised in most even know 
> anything about w3c or what gecko is.
> 

It's more than a noble thought.  The tracking bug for bad sniffing --
bug #334967 -- depends on 208 specific bug reports about individual
cases of bad sniffing.  37 of of those specific bug reports have been
closed, indicating that Web masters do indeed learn that "Gecko is Gecko".

18 of the specific bug reports were either duplicates, invalid, or
"Works for Me".  That means there are 190 valid specific bug reports,
19% of which were fixed.  If even a slight effort were made to
communicate proper sniffing -- and the possibility that sniffing is not
needed at all -- many more of the valid bug reports would also be fixed.

I'm not convinced that the changes in presenting the UA string (based on
bug #572650?) will really solve the problems of invalid sniffing.  If
"Firefox" is always appended to the UA string, it is more likely that
Web masters will conclude SeaMonkey is no longer in use.

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Re: Change Font & Color???

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Phillip Jones wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Willard wrote:
>>> In the Browser home page&  other web sites, is there a way to change
>>> the display window print characters??
>>> 1.)Font to Bold?
>>> 2.)Color to Black?
>>
>> I'd recommend the PrefBar extension for handling the colors. One
>> click on the "[X] Colors" checkbox will remove all of the author's
>> colors and go to black-on-white. There are other useful bits as
>> well, of course. http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ 
>> 
>> As far as the font boldness goes, try pressing Control-Plus once or
>> twice, enlarge and bold. Control-Minus reduces, Control-Zero returns
>> to your default chosen size. Note on the View menu that you can zoom
>> the entire page, or just the text. I prefer just the text.
>
> QuoteColors works well, for both SM and TB.

What does QuoteColors have to do with web pages?

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Re: UA Spoofing.

[Phillip Jones]

Manuel Reimer wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Actually, as much as I hate appending "Firefox" to any UA string of
browsers that are not Firefox, I just filed a bug to make any Gecko that
not has "Firefox" in its UA string right now to send one in the future.


I don't think this is a good idea. Webmasters should learn to match for
"Gecko".

Yours

Manue
 While that is noble thought. The reality is, most webmasters for most 
commercial Sites don't give a rats behind. The will sniff on FireFox not 
gecko. In fact I would be shocked and surprised in most even know 
anything about w3c or what gecko is.


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Re: Change Font & Color???

[Phillip Jones]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Willard wrote:


In the Browser home page&  other web sites, is there a way to change
the display window print characters??
1.)Font to Bold?
2.)Color to Black?


I'd recommend the PrefBar extension for handling the colors. One click
on the "[X] Colors" checkbox will remove all of the author's colors and
go to black-on-white. There are other useful bits as well, of course.
http://prefbar.mozdev.org/

As far as the font boldness goes, try pressing Control-Plus once or
twice, enlarge and bold. Control-Minus reduces, Control-Zero returns to
your default chosen size. Note on the View menu that you can zoom the
entire page, or just the text. I prefer just the text.


QuoteColors works well, for both SM and TB.

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Re: SMTP problem -- who's at fault?

[W3BNR]

After much thought W3BNR wrote:

After much thought Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Beverly Howard wrote:


>> I keep getting a message saying a connection cannot be made to the
SMTP server. <<

most likely a configuration problem...

each internet connection limits open smtp server access to _only_
those
connected via the service that provides the server... i.e. using a RR
server, their smtp server can't be used if connected via any other isp
provider such as verizon and probably any other location than your
home
location.


A reasonable hypothesis, but I've always been able to send using my
company's SMTP server through my DirecWay (hughes.net) connection. My
company isn't an ISP and doesn't offer that service.


The normal solution nowadays is to use smtp authentication using your
account's mail id and password. A quick and easy fix is to use the
webmail interface provided by your isp until you get it sorted out.


How do I do SMTP authentication?


fwiw, Sending and receiving email are two completely separate
operations... the only thing that connects them is your email client,
so, pop3" working" has zero bearing on smtp problems.


I mentioned it more to demonstrate that I do in fact have Internet
connectivity; it's not a cable unplugged kind of thing, and the mail
servers are not down.


Hope that this information is of value.


Thanks.



Here is what I use on Verizon FiOS for SMTP:

Server Name: outgoing.verizon.net
Port: 587
User Name: Joe.example (note: not joe.exam...@verizon.net)
Secure Authentication: No
Connection Security: None

On the Connection Security = None: that is the only way I can get it to
work for Verizon. Everybody else wants you to select SSL/TSL but Verizon
wants "None"


Thanks, but I don't have a Verizon account. I'm just temporarily
piggybacking on my host's connection while I'm living in his house.

Still, I'll try setting up another SMTP server as if I did and see if
that works.



Set up a new SMTP account by going to Edit/Mail&Newsgroup Account
Settings/Outgoing Server (SMTP)/Add

Call it "Alias" and set it as the above, ie:

Description: Alias
Server Name: outgoing.verizon.net
Port: 587
User Name: Joe.example (note: not joe.exam...@verizon.net)
Secure Authentication: No
Connection Security: None

Now set up a new account using Edit/Mail&Newsgroup Account Settings/Add
Account

Call the account Alias and fill in what you want (name & e-mail address
- must be a valid e-mail address) and go down to the 'Outgoing server'
box and select Alias.

This should work with Verizon FIOS.



I forgot the MOST important thing.  In the new Outgoing Server, 'Alias', 
the User name MUST be your friends FIOS user name - NOT YOUR name.



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Re: SMTP problem -- who's at fault?

[W3BNR]

After much thought Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Beverly Howard wrote:


>> I keep getting a message saying a connection cannot be made to the
SMTP server. <<

most likely a configuration problem...

each internet connection limits open smtp server access to _only_ those
connected via the service that provides the server... i.e. using a RR
server, their smtp server can't be used if connected via any other isp
provider such as verizon and probably any other location than your home
location.


A reasonable hypothesis, but I've always been able to send using my
company's SMTP server through my DirecWay (hughes.net) connection. My
company isn't an ISP and doesn't offer that service.


The normal solution nowadays is to use smtp authentication using your
account's mail id and password. A quick and easy fix is to use the
webmail interface provided by your isp until you get it sorted out.


How do I do SMTP authentication?


fwiw, Sending and receiving email are two completely separate
operations... the only thing that connects them is your email client,
so, pop3" working" has zero bearing on smtp problems.


I mentioned it more to demonstrate that I do in fact have Internet
connectivity; it's not a cable unplugged kind of thing, and the mail
servers are not down.


Hope that this information is of value.


Thanks.



Here is what I use on Verizon FiOS for SMTP:

Server Name: outgoing.verizon.net
Port: 587
User Name: Joe.example (note: not joe.exam...@verizon.net)
Secure Authentication: No
Connection Security: None

On the Connection Security = None: that is the only way I can get it to
work for Verizon. Everybody else wants you to select SSL/TSL but Verizon
wants "None"


Thanks, but I don't have a Verizon account. I'm just temporarily
piggybacking on my host's connection while I'm living in his house.

Still, I'll try setting up another SMTP server as if I did and see if
that works.



Set up a new SMTP account by going to Edit/Mail&Newsgroup Account 
Settings/Outgoing Server (SMTP)/Add


Call it "Alias" and set it as the above, ie:

Description: Alias
Server Name: outgoing.verizon.net
Port: 587
User Name: Joe.example (note: not joe.exam...@verizon.net)
Secure Authentication: No
Connection Security: None

Now set up a new account using Edit/Mail&Newsgroup Account Settings/Add 
Account


Call the account Alias and fill in what you want (name & e-mail address 
- must be a valid e-mail address)  and go down to the 'Outgoing server' 
box and select Alias.


This should work with Verizon FIOS.

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Re: SMTP problem -- who's at fault?

[Arnie Goetchius]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Arnie Goetchius wrote:


Here is what I use on Verizon FiOS for SMTP:

Server Name: outgoing.verizon.net Port: 587 User Name: Joe.example
(note: not joe.exam...@verizon.net) Secure Authentication: No
Connection Security: None

On the Connection Security = None: that is the only way I can get
it to work for Verizon. Everybody else wants you to select SSL/TSL
but Verizon wants "None"


Thanks, but I don't have a Verizon account. I'm just temporarily
piggybacking on my host's connection while I'm living in his house.

Still, I'll try setting up another SMTP server as if I did and see if
that works.


Nope, no go. It wants my password, and of course I don't have one.

I also have an account with Yahoo. I have no problems receiving or 
sending email using the Yahoo SMTP and POP3 even though FiOS is still 
providing my internet connection. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.

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Re: SMTP problem -- who's at fault?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Arnie Goetchius wrote:


Here is what I use on Verizon FiOS for SMTP:

Server Name: outgoing.verizon.net Port: 587 User Name: Joe.example
(note: not joe.exam...@verizon.net) Secure Authentication: No
Connection Security: None

On the Connection Security = None: that is the only way I can get
it to work for Verizon. Everybody else wants you to select SSL/TSL
but Verizon wants "None"


Thanks, but I don't have a Verizon account. I'm just temporarily
piggybacking on my host's connection while I'm living in his house.

Still, I'll try setting up another SMTP server as if I did and see if
 that works.


Nope, no go. It wants my password, and of course I don't have one.

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Re: SMTP problem -- who's at fault?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Beverly Howard wrote:


>> I keep getting a message saying a connection cannot be made to the
SMTP server. <<

most likely a configuration problem...

each internet connection limits open smtp server access to _only_ those
connected via the service that provides the server... i.e. using a RR
server, their smtp server can't be used if connected via any other isp
provider such as verizon and probably any other location than your home
location.


A reasonable hypothesis, but I've always been able to send using my
company's SMTP server through my DirecWay (hughes.net) connection. My
company isn't an ISP and doesn't offer that service.


The normal solution nowadays is to use smtp authentication using your
account's mail id and password. A quick and easy fix is to use the
webmail interface provided by your isp until you get it sorted out.


How do I do SMTP authentication?


fwiw, Sending and receiving email are two completely separate
operations... the only thing that connects them is your email client,
so, pop3" working" has zero bearing on smtp problems.


I mentioned it more to demonstrate that I do in fact have Internet
connectivity; it's not a cable unplugged kind of thing, and the mail
servers are not down.


Hope that this information is of value.


Thanks.



Here is what I use on Verizon FiOS for SMTP:

Server Name: outgoing.verizon.net
Port: 587
User Name: Joe.example (note: not joe.exam...@verizon.net)
Secure Authentication: No
Connection Security: None

On the Connection Security = None: that is the only way I can get it to
work for Verizon. Everybody else wants you to select SSL/TSL but Verizon
wants "None"


Thanks, but I don't have a Verizon account. I'm just temporarily 
piggybacking on my host's connection while I'm living in his house.


Still, I'll try setting up another SMTP server as if I did and see if 
that works.


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Re: SMTP problem -- who's at fault?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Beverly Howard wrote:


 >> How do I do SMTP authentication? <<

Depends on the service... but within seamonkey mail at the connection
where you have the problem

edit/mailaccountsettings/outgoing//edit

Start with simply use name and password (normally your mail login) and
"TLS if available" and if that does not work, try SSL


These options are not available on SM 2.0. I can choose STARTLS or 
TLS/SSL, but there's no place to enter username and password, only the 
smtp server name and the port. Have tried all the possibilities in turn, 
and all failed.



Most isp's will have instructions or tech support to answer the above
questions, although time warner's default response is "smtp is not
included in your service"


Right...

"We'll let you receive mail but we won't let you send it."

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Re: Change Font & Color???

[Willard]

Beverly Howard wrote:

 >> http://www.aol.com/ <<

Looks fine to me... might check the "change your background" at the top 
right or you may have accidentally changed SM default settings.


Check edit/appearance/colors... should be black text and white background

Beverly Howard


My AOL at top right shows Strawberry, etc. no "change your background"..

"Edit/preference/appearance/" shows no "colors"..

The aol.com looks o.k., but I wish to change the font and color of the 
print...

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Re: Change Font & Color???

[Beverly Howard]

>> http://www.aol.com/ <<

Looks fine to me... might check the "change your background" at the top 
right or you may have accidentally changed SM default settings.


Check edit/appearance/colors... should be black text and white background

Beverly Howard

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Re: SMTP problem -- who's at fault?

[Beverly Howard]

>> How do I do SMTP authentication? <<

Depends on the service... but within seamonkey mail at the connection 
where you have the problem


edit/mailaccountsettings/outgoing//edit

Start with simply use name and password (normally your mail login) and 
"TLS if available" and if that does not work, try SSL


Most isp's will have instructions or tech support to answer the above 
questions, although time warner's default response is "smtp is not 
included in your service"


Beverly Howard

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Re: SMTP problem -- who's at fault?

[Arnie Goetchius]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Beverly Howard wrote:


>> I keep getting a message saying a connection cannot be made to the
SMTP server. <<

most likely a configuration problem...

each internet connection limits open smtp server access to _only_ those
connected via the service that provides the server... i.e. using a RR
server, their smtp server can't be used if connected via any other isp
provider such as verizon and probably any other location than your home
location.


A reasonable hypothesis, but I've always been able to send using my
company's SMTP server through my DirecWay (hughes.net) connection. My
company isn't an ISP and doesn't offer that service.


The normal solution nowadays is to use smtp authentication using your
account's mail id and password. A quick and easy fix is to use the
webmail interface provided by your isp until you get it sorted out.


How do I do SMTP authentication?


fwiw, Sending and receiving email are two completely separate
operations... the only thing that connects them is your email client,
so, pop3" working" has zero bearing on smtp problems.


I mentioned it more to demonstrate that I do in fact have Internet
connectivity; it's not a cable unplugged kind of thing, and the mail
servers are not down.


Hope that this information is of value.


Thanks.



Here is what I use on Verizon FiOS for SMTP:

Server Name: outgoing.verizon.net
Port: 587
User Name: Joe.example  (note: not joe.exam...@verizon.net)
Secure Authentication:  No
Connection Security:   None

On the Connection Security = None: that is the only way I can get it to 
work for Verizon. Everybody else wants you to select SSL/TSL but Verizon 
wants "None"



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Re: SMTP problem -- who's at fault?

[Paul]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Yesterday, I packed up my fully functional laptop with SM 1.1.16 and 
brought it to a different location, where we plugged an Ethernet cable 
into my host's Verizon FiOS router. I can browse, receive mail, and post 
to NGs, but not send POP3 mail. I keep getting a message saying a 
connection cannot be made to the SMTP server. This applies to three 
different SMTP servers hosted by three entirely separate companies. I 
can retrieve mail from all three.


I tried upgrading to v. 2.0.6 (which I'd been meaning to do anyway), but 
that didn't help.


I can ping the servers and get a quick response from each, but that 
doesn't mean I can send POP3 mail.


My LAN connection is set to get IP and DNS server addresses 
automatically (I'm not forcing any particular addresses).


This has always worked fine at this location, and my very knowledgeable 
host says he hasn't changed anything in his settings, firewall, etc. For 
that matter, neither have I since my last visit.


Any ideas where to start troubleshooting?

Thanks.


Each outgoing server (smtp) has its own settings.
Sometimes you can access an outgoing server from another isp,
but that is rare.

In SM 1xxx, edit/mail&newgroup acct settings/outgoing server (smtp)/
edit or add as necessary.
Fill in the blanks with the appropriate data.
You can have multiple smtp's but will have to set for the one that
you currently use.
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Re: UA Spoofing.

[Manuel Reimer]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Actually, as much as I hate appending "Firefox" to any UA string of
browsers that are not Firefox, I just filed a bug to make any Gecko that
not has "Firefox" in its UA string right now to send one in the future.


I don't think this is a good idea. Webmasters should learn to match for 
"Gecko".


Yours

Manue
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Re: Change Font & Color???

[Willard]

Beverly Howard wrote:
 >> In the Browser home page & other web sites, is there a way to change 
the display window print characters?? <<


A "quick" solution when faced with an unreadable page is to press 
 to select and highlight everything... works most of the time.


Can you post the url of your home page (or similar page) so we can see 
the need?


Beverly Howard

http://www.aol.com/
I was looking for something other than  or  or ..
Especially for light green or pink print..
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Re: UA Spoofing.

[J. Weaver Jr.]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Actually, as much as I hate appending "Firefox" to any UA string of
browsers that are not Firefox, I just filed a bug to make any Gecko that
not has "Firefox" in its UA string right now to send one in the future.


Bug #, please?  -JW
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Re: SMTP problem -- who's at fault?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Beverly Howard wrote:


 >> I keep getting a message saying a connection cannot be made to the
SMTP server. <<

most likely a configuration problem...

each internet connection limits open smtp server access to _only_ those
connected via the service that provides the server... i.e. using a RR
server, their smtp server can't be used if connected via any other isp
provider such as verizon and probably any other location than your home
location.


A reasonable hypothesis, but I've always been able to send using my 
company's SMTP server through my DirecWay (hughes.net) connection. My 
company isn't an ISP and doesn't offer that service.



The normal solution nowadays is to use smtp authentication using your
account's mail id and password. A quick and easy fix is to use the
webmail interface provided by your isp until you get it sorted out.


How do I do SMTP authentication?


fwiw, Sending and receiving email are two completely separate
operations... the only thing that connects them is your email client,
so, pop3" working" has zero bearing on smtp problems.


I mentioned it more to demonstrate that I do in fact have Internet 
connectivity; it's not a cable unplugged kind of thing, and the mail 
servers are not down.



Hope that this information is of value.


Thanks.

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Re: 2.0.7 crash

[JAS]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Ed Mullen schrieb:
>> Ok. I have been reading references to SeaMonkey 2.0.7 for about a week
>> now in various messages. I keep checking at:
>>
>> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/
>>
>> and I don't see anything above 2.0.6.
>
> That's because it's not released yet.
>
>> And now someone is talking about an automatic update to 2.0.7?
>>
>> what am I missing?
>
> The candidates, which are provided as updates through the beta channel
> so we get testing before the release. See the "Testing SeaMonkey 2.0.7
> candidates - help wanted!" thread from the 26th.
>
> Robert Kaiser
I had used a test candidate at one time but did not realize I was signed
in for life with test releases.
My errors:
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/d2e07445-7e69-4c4d-a461-2adf62100827
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/4047f3a7-cb86-4df8-9d37-e5de22100827
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/56756136-5e4f-4c13-85aa-d7e642100827
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/7998ba14-f2ea-49d8-99d2-751b82100827
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/b1b1f899-ad37-4290-a060-13d4b2100827
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/30166f24-8d9a-4adc-900a-b26bb2100827
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/fd1845c6-c9bf-4e3f-8d56-808012100827
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/ec6a1c3b-7c60-4291-8a7d-3faeb2100827

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Re: Change Font & Color???

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Willard wrote:

> In the Browser home page & other web sites, is there a way to change
> the display window print characters??
> 1.)Font to Bold?
> 2.)Color to Black?

I'd recommend the PrefBar extension for handling the colors. One click
on the "[X] Colors" checkbox will remove all of the author's colors and
go to black-on-white. There are other useful bits as well, of course.
http://prefbar.mozdev.org/

As far as the font boldness goes, try pressing Control-Plus once or
twice, enlarge and bold. Control-Minus reduces, Control-Zero returns to
your default chosen size. Note on the View menu that you can zoom the
entire page, or just the text. I prefer just the text.

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Re: 2.0.7 crash

[Ed Mullen]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ed Mullen schrieb:

Ok. I have been reading references to SeaMonkey 2.0.7 for about a week
now in various messages. I keep checking at:

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/

and I don't see anything above 2.0.6.


That's because it's not released yet.


And now someone is talking about an automatic update to 2.0.7?

what am I missing?


The candidates, which are provided as updates through the beta channel
so we get testing before the release. See the "Testing SeaMonkey 2.0.7
candidates - help wanted!" thread from the 26th.

Robert Kaiser


Thanks.  Should have thought of that! Duh.

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Re: Change Font & Color???

[Beverly Howard]

>> In the Browser home page & other web sites, is there a way to change 
the display window print characters?? <<


A "quick" solution when faced with an unreadable page is to press 
 to select and highlight everything... works most of the time.


Can you post the url of your home page (or similar page) so we can see 
the need?


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Re: SMTP problem -- who's at fault?

[Beverly Howard]

>> I keep getting a message saying a connection cannot be made to the 
SMTP server. <<


most likely a configuration problem...

each internet connection limits open smtp server access to _only_ those 
connected via the service that provides the server... i.e. using a RR 
server, their smtp server can't be used if connected via any other isp 
provider such as verizon and probably any other location than your home 
location.


The normal solution nowadays is to use smtp authentication using your 
account's mail id and password.  A quick and easy fix is to use the 
webmail interface provided by your isp until you get it sorted out.


fwiw, Sending and receiving email are two completely separate 
operations... the only thing that connects them is your email client, 
so, pop3" working" has zero bearing on smtp problems.


Hope that this information is of value.
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Change Font & Color???

[Willard]

In the Browser home page & other web sites, is there a way to change the 
display window print characters??

1.)Font to Bold?
2.)Color to Black?
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Re: Considing the Aged and Vision Impaired

[Beverly Howard]

The tech details included in your post added to bug with credit

Beverly Howard
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Re: Considing the Aged and Vision Impaired

[Beverly Howard]

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591649

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Re: SMTP problem -- who's at fault?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Rick Merrill wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Yesterday, I packed up my fully functional laptop with SM 1.1.16 and
brought it to a different location, where we plugged an Ethernet cable
into my host's Verizon FiOS router. I can browse, receive mail, and post
to NGs, but not send POP3 mail. I keep getting a message saying a
connection cannot be made to the SMTP server. This applies to three
different SMTP servers hosted by three entirely separate companies. I
can retrieve mail from all three.


Check with those ISPs.


Hard to believe all three of them went bad all at once. Much more likely 
the trouble is at my end.


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Re: SMTP problem -- who's at fault?

[Rick Merrill]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Yesterday, I packed up my fully functional laptop with SM 1.1.16 and
brought it to a different location, where we plugged an Ethernet cable
into my host's Verizon FiOS router. I can browse, receive mail, and post
to NGs, but not send POP3 mail. I keep getting a message saying a
connection cannot be made to the SMTP server. This applies to three
different SMTP servers hosted by three entirely separate companies. I
can retrieve mail from all three.


Check with those ISPs.




I tried upgrading to v. 2.0.6 (which I'd been meaning to do anyway), but
that didn't help.

I can ping the servers and get a quick response from each, but that
doesn't mean I can send POP3 mail.

My LAN connection is set to get IP and DNS server addresses
automatically (I'm not forcing any particular addresses).

This has always worked fine at this location, and my very knowledgeable
host says he hasn't changed anything in his settings, firewall, etc. For
that matter, neither have I since my last visit.

Any ideas where to start troubleshooting?

Thanks.



get a gmail account, then you can send via
smtp.gmail.com
and pickup via
pop.gmail.com



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SMTP problem -- who's at fault?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Yesterday, I packed up my fully functional laptop with SM 1.1.16 and 
brought it to a different location, where we plugged an Ethernet cable 
into my host's Verizon FiOS router. I can browse, receive mail, and post 
to NGs, but not send POP3 mail. I keep getting a message saying a 
connection cannot be made to the SMTP server. This applies to three 
different SMTP servers hosted by three entirely separate companies. I 
can retrieve mail from all three.


I tried upgrading to v. 2.0.6 (which I'd been meaning to do anyway), but 
that didn't help.


I can ping the servers and get a quick response from each, but that 
doesn't mean I can send POP3 mail.


My LAN connection is set to get IP and DNS server addresses 
automatically (I'm not forcing any particular addresses).


This has always worked fine at this location, and my very knowledgeable 
host says he hasn't changed anything in his settings, firewall, etc. For 
that matter, neither have I since my last visit.


Any ideas where to start troubleshooting?

Thanks.

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Re: eml messages - copy including photos ?

[DoctorBill]

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Mon, 09 Aug 2010 10:45:10 -0700, /DoctorBill/:


Is there some trick to this w/o purchasing some expensive program to
handle eml ?


Yeah, one should be able to handle .eml (message/rfc822) attachments 
pretty much like "native" messages - copy to folder, reply to or forward 
them:


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11013
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193281
etc.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=269826

In the mean time one could install the ImportExportTools extension:

http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#importexporttools

Save the .eml attachment to disk and import it as a normal message into 
some folder, then do what you wanna do with it.




Most interestingwhy not ADD to SeaMonkey E-Mail the ability to handle eml 
messages ?

Would it be that difficult to do add to the system ?

Why have an extension if many people will use the ap ?

DoctorBill

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Re: eml messages - copy including photos ?

[DoctorBill]

Evan Davidson wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:
I get all sorts of jokes and political E-Mail from my conservative 
friends which I

want to pass on to those on my mailing list.

Often they are "eml" types of messages.

I copy the message by highlighting and Ctrl-C, but the photos or 
graphics do not

paste into a new mail frame.

I tried copying the eml attachment itself and pasting, but the 
graphics gets lost.


I even tried pasting the eml into WORD and no graphics.
Pasting w/o formatting does not work either.

Is there some trick to this w/o purchasing some expensive program to 
handle eml ?


DoctorBill



I have experimented with this problem in SM and the only reliable and 
editable solution I've found is to use "File-Save As-File" to save the 
note with images as a *.eml (type: mail file) to my Desktop. I then open 
it in Outlook Express (or WinMail) and I can now edit it to my heart's 
content (strip out headers, delete Blockquotes (using Source tab) and 
reformat it to my liking (using Edit tab). Then I Send it from OE as a 
completely cleaned-up original message.


EML (Encapsulated MaiL) is OE's native file format and it will reliably 
text-encode all the images and include them. TB and SM know that 
embedded images are in their mailboxes so you can always see them on 
your computer but they don't encode them and mail them out as a 
"multi-part message in MIME format." (The latter was created by 
Microsoft.) Images that have links to other servers or if they're 
attachments will be sent out properly by TB and OE. You can also save 
each incoming message image separately (using the Image Zoom add-on, 
http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#imagezoom ) and use "Insert 
Image" to embed it in SM and TB. It will then be sent out as an EML 
message.


SM and TB seem to read, save and sometimes create EML messages but 
forwarding an incoming message with embedded images is problematic from 
my experience. Unfortunately, the workarounds are unwieldy. (If you want 
a seamless process, using OE is the answer.)


I have tried "Reply" with these eml messages and if you erase the address of the
replied to person(s), you can put in new addresses.

However - this leaves the entire eml "in place" and editable (is that a word?).

Works kind-a-like forwarding, but doesn't put the eml as an attachment - it 
allows
one to edit the message.
EML messages usually have many boxes around them - not all are removable.

'tworketh.!

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Uninstall v.1 after upgrade?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Just upgraded from v. 1.1.16 to 2.0.6, and it seemed to go smoothly -- 
most everything was seamlessly imported, even down to my global Windows 
shortcut that launches the program.


After poking around the program and reading the release notes, I have 
two questions:


1) Is it safe to uninstall v. 1.1.16 through the uninstall link at Set 
Program Access and Defaults?


2) How can I show my sigs at the bottom of the composition window?

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Re: edit with

[Beverly Howard]

thanks... the key is appreciated.

To clarify since the need is a little different, the mozilla composer 
has been my only html editor since the early (netscape 1.x?) days and 
it's the ideal "editor" for html files, so, it's always set as the edit 
file association for all html files.


With every project there always seems to be at least a couple of needs 
to switch to html source edit in order to tweak or do mass changes.


In earlier composer versions there was a menu option to "Open in 
external editor" which was very convenient.


With textpad (and I assume wordpad) I can leave the file explorer window 
open after opening the file for "edit" in composer, then rightclick the 
same file and selecting "textpad" to achieve this, but it's pretty 
kludgy compared to the menu option.


Thanks for the input,
Beverly Howard




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Re: KEEPVID and JAVA Installation

[DoctorBill]

Tom Pamin wrote:

Zanqeutil wrote:

DoctorBill schreef:

DoctorBill wrote:

I was using KEEPVID to save flv files off of YOUTUBE.
http://keepvid.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D_Lj6CdM6IxU%26feature%3Drelated 




Now something changed and they want me to install the updated JAVA
whatever.
http://www.java.com/en/download/inc/windows_new_xpi.jsp

Will this work with SM 1.1 ?



Try Kiss Youtube (ignore the Digital Certifcate warning, just click run)
Works with IE 6.0

http://www.kissyoutube.com/
Works here with Seamonkey 2.0.6, and with Firefox 3.6.8 but Seamonkey 
1.1.19 gives a java plugin error warning. The new Java Plugin needs a 
newer browser, minimal requirement Firefox 3.xx


Regards, Zanqeutil

I tried Keepvid with your Youtube video and SM 1.1.19. Worked fine for 
me to download it.


Well mine won't.

I downloaded the newest JAVA ap as requested, but it won't work with my SM 1.1.

I finally HAD to use IE and it worked fine.

Just had to go wash my hands several times and use a hand sanitizer.
Then a Malware Searcher and Virus checker.

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Re: 2.0.7 crash

[Robert Kaiser]

Ed Mullen schrieb:

Ok. I have been reading references to SeaMonkey 2.0.7 for about a week
now in various messages. I keep checking at:

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/

and I don't see anything above 2.0.6.


That's because it's not released yet.


And now someone is talking about an automatic update to 2.0.7?

what am I missing?


The candidates, which are provided as updates through the beta channel 
so we get testing before the release. See the "Testing SeaMonkey 2.0.7 
candidates - help wanted!" thread from the 26th.


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Re: UA Spoofing.

[Robert Kaiser]

David Cox schrieb:

On 27/08/2010 11:33 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Philip Chee schrieb:

New is:

general.useragent.compatMode.firefox


Which should be the "weapon of choice" now when spoofing Firefox. And we
might even add UI for that.

Thanks Robert, please do. I admit I'm lazy and use
general.useragent.extra.spoofox so a builtin UI would help keep me pure.


Actually, as much as I hate appending "Firefox" to any UA string of 
browsers that are not Firefox, I just filed a bug to make any Gecko that 
not has "Firefox" in its UA string right now to send one in the future.


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Re: Considing the Aged and Vision Impaired

[Rick Merrill]

Ed Mullen wrote:

JeffM wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

I just turned 60. I'll die before this issue is resolved.

The real problem with Open Source "products"
is that they are not products in the usual sense.
No one pays for them[...]
there is no incentive to satisfy the customers.


Have a pet peeve? How about putting a bounty on it?
You could even put that in your sig;
maybe others with the same gripe will also contribute.


Ok. $50 (US) for the person who successfully makes all the UI windows
fully re-sizable and expandible so that all buttons and options are
available at any resolution/screen size.

I'll gladly pay for it but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna die first.



Isn't that called "windows 7"?   :-)


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Re: 2.0.7 crash

[Rick Merrill]

Ed Mullen wrote:

JAS wrote:

Today when I attempted to start SM 2.0.6-- I was informed an update to
2.0.7 was being installed. After the install and it tried to start it
crashed, several times without even getting to my profile selection. I
tried Safe Mode and it still crashed. I have reinstalled SM 2.0.5 and it
is working OK. Any one else had a problem? I have never had a problem
before. I am running XP Pro SP3. In the advanced setting I had set it
not to check for SM updates.


Ok. I have been reading references to SeaMonkey 2.0.7 for about a week
now in various messages. I keep checking at:

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/

and I don't see anything above 2.0.6.

And now someone is talking about an automatic update to 2.0.7?

what am I missing?



You may be missing a virus! Count yourself lucky - wish I knew more.

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Re: edit with

[Rick Merrill]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 8/27/10 8:45 AM, Rick Merrill wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 8/26/10 8:13 AM, Rick Merrill wrote:

How do I set SeaMonkey Composer to be the
"Edit With" answer for .HTM  files under windows XP?




You can do this with any folder, but I generally do it on My Computer.

1. Open the folder.  On the menu bar, select [Tools>   Folder Options].

2. On the Folder Opetions window, select the File Types tab.  (It may
take a few seconds for the tab to initialize.)

3.  Under "Registered file types", scroll down to HTM.  Select the
Advanced button near the bottom of the window.


OR THE "CHANGE" BUTTON IN WINDOWS XP.


4.a.  If "edit" appears in the Actions area, select it and then select
the Edit button on the right.  In the "Editing action for type" window,
leave "edit" as the Action; put the Windows path to Composer (using \
instead of /) in the "Application used to perform action" area.

4.b.  If "edit" does not appear in the Actions area, select the New
button on the right.  In the New Action window, type "edit" (without
quotes) under Action and the Windows path to Composer (using \ instead
of /) in the "Application used to perform action" area.

5.  Exit by selecting the OK buttons.



Is there a command-line option to SeaMonkey to have it launch
the Composer application?  ( e.g. -m for mail...)



Be careful with the Change button.  It changes the application that
OPENS the file, not the application that EDITS the file.  You normally
want a browser to open HTM and HTML files.



Yes: in this case I had to tell SeaMonkey suite to use composer by adding the "-edit" 
flag and "%1" to use the file I selected.

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Re: UA Spoofing.

[Philip Chee]

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:19:32 -0400, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> On 8/27/2010 7:21 AM, Philip Chee wrote:

>> New is:
>>
>> general.useragent.compatMode.firefox
> 
> In addition for the RFDocumentation, I'd love bug/cset link.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581008
Bug 581008 - Remove support for appending arbitrary data to the User
Agent string

http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/99eb6c83cccf

Phil

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Re: Considing the Aged and Vision Impaired

[Jens Hatlak]

Philip Chee wrote:

KaiRo, how about adding a "Reporting Bugs" section on the SeaMonkey
Community page with a link pointing to the "Bug writing guidelines" page
on MDN?


Don't you have cvs access to the community site?


Yes I do, but does that mean I can just make any changes I like? I don't 
think so.


Greetings,

Jens

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