Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetView?
OSM is no alternative to StreetView. It's an alternative to Google Maps though. So I don't think we should react. We should just spread the word of OSM on a continuous base. Apart from that, if OSM would suddenly get in the big media, we would also have a lot of problems with training newbies. The best system is that of continuous growth, where the older generation can teach the newer generation. And I'm not even talking about vandalism here. I hope you understand what I'm saying. Regards, Sander 2011/11/24 Julien Fastré julienfas...@gmail.com Hi everybody, I am a bit tired to see - the media talking about the problem of privacy ; - some institutions (I am thinking to the mayor of Brussels, and tourism brussels) happy to promote their service /via/ StreetView; And all those things without mentioning the alternative (including OSM). I think we should react. It is time to make speaking about osm with some regional and federal MP. We should make contact with some of them, and give them arguments. Some MP should make interpellation with the theme you are going to rely on private companies to promote tourism in our region, why don't you use free and opensource tools ? Julien question ng street name. The housenumbers were as indicated approximative and way off. The viewpoints of Google are with distances of 20 m plus and so many signs and even housenumbers (when houses are not at the street border) are not readable on the photo. Also Polyglot will be out of luck for decoding sign plates at the bus stops. Oh, I didn't even bother to try to do that yet. Doing it for the remaining 39000 would most probably not be all right at all... so it didn't even occur to me. Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- Julien FASTRE http://www.meta-morphoses.be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetView?
I think you are right in saying that we should not try to force the issue. On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.comwrote: Sorry to go off topic, but... 2011/11/24 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com So I don't think we should react. We should just spread the word of OSM on a continuous base. Apart from that, if OSM would suddenly get in the big media, we would also have a lot of problems with training newbies. The best system is that of continuous growth, where the older generation can teach the newer generation. And I'm not even talking about vandalism here. I don't think a lot of new users should scare us into not seeking more visibility for the project. I think it would be a very good thing to get more new users involved! OSM is the best mapping project and free as in free speech! Everybody should know this... We should not be scared of seeking visibility, I know OSM can handle a lot of new users, and making us visible is also a way to get a steady growth. But we should not demand the media to give us the attention. When we grow bigger, the media will report about OSM because we're more interesting, and we will have enough man-power to handle everything. If you disrupt that steady process, and you really demand stuff through laws and lawsuits, I don't think it would end very well. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetView?
People tend to judge the book by the cover and not by the content. In this respect OSM is no match to StreetView. So, we should not try to profilate us against it. It will only cause disbelief and leaves OSM with a stamp of inferiority, because there is not the bling bling of StreetView. There are other opportunities, which are more suitable to get attention for OSM and then we can do it with our strong points. One example is trage wegen / voies lentes, which get much attention in many villages and its councels these days. There we can offer advanced mapping en cartography. If you can't win, don't go to the battle. Ben Abelshausen wrote: I think you are right in saying that we should not try to force the issue. On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com mailto:sander...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to go off topic, but... 2011/11/24 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com mailto:ben.abelshau...@gmail.com So I don't think we should react. We should just spread the word of OSM on a continuous base. Apart from that, if OSM would suddenly get in the big media, we would also have a lot of problems with training newbies. The best system is that of continuous growth, where the older generation can teach the newer generation. And I'm not even talking about vandalism here. I don't think a lot of new users should scare us into not seeking more visibility for the project. I think it would be a very good thing to get more new users involved! OSM is the best mapping project and free as in free speech! Everybody should know this... We should not be scared of seeking visibility, I know OSM can handle a lot of new users, and making us visible is also a way to get a steady growth. But we should not demand the media to give us the attention. When we grow bigger, the media will report about OSM because we're more interesting, and we will have enough man-power to handle everything. If you disrupt that steady process, and you really demand stuff through laws and lawsuits, I don't think it would end very well. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetView?
2011/11/24 Gerard Vanderveken g...@ghia.eu: People tend to judge the book by the cover and not by the content. In this respect OSM is no match to StreetView. So, we should not try to profilate us against it. It will only cause disbelief and leaves OSM with a stamp of inferiority, because there is not the bling bling of StreetView. I think you are right. There are other opportunities, which are more suitable to get attention for OSM and then we can do it with our strong points. One example is trage wegen / voies lentes, which get much attention in many villages and its councels these days. There we can offer advanced mapping en cartography. yes. There are many maps that OSM could help the communes / gemeente to draw right. Why not helping them to get much from OSM by giving some of their data to OSM ? If you can't win, don't go to the battle. indeed We need to be creative. -- Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc - gsm : 0496 24 55 01 ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] StreetView?
Hello à tous, Ici en belgique, google viens de rendre disponible streetview je sais que en France ça fait un bout de temps que c'est disponible mais voila :) La question reviens naturellement sur l'utilisation de StreetView pour récolter des informations pour osm. Bien évidemment, les images ne sont pas toute jeune même c'est du même acabit que les images bing. Donc voilà, peut-on utiliser les images, dans quel mesure? ,.. Merci pour vos infos PS: communément sur la ML fr et be :) ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] StreetView?
Hello, Selon moi, on peut utiliser les immages seulement pour découvrir des erreurs (et controler ces erreurs localement avant de télécharger les corrections). 2011/11/23 eMerzh merz...@gmail.com Hello à tous, Ici en belgique, google viens de rendre disponible streetview je sais que en France ça fait un bout de temps que c'est disponible mais voila :) La question reviens naturellement sur l'utilisation de StreetView pour récolter des informations pour osm. Bien évidemment, les images ne sont pas toute jeune même c'est du même acabit que les images bing. Donc voilà, peut-on utiliser les images, dans quel mesure? ,.. Merci pour vos infos PS: communément sur la ML fr et be :) ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] StreetView?
If you want to stick strictly to OSM best-practices, you CANNOT use data that you have collected from Google StreetView and use it in OSM. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners_Guide_1.1 Tim 2011/11/23 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com Hello, Selon moi, on peut utiliser les immages seulement pour découvrir des erreurs (et controler ces erreurs localement avant de télécharger les corrections). 2011/11/23 eMerzh merz...@gmail.com Hello à tous, Ici en belgique, google viens de rendre disponible streetview je sais que en France ça fait un bout de temps que c'est disponible mais voila :) La question reviens naturellement sur l'utilisation de StreetView pour récolter des informations pour osm. Bien évidemment, les images ne sont pas toute jeune même c'est du même acabit que les images bing. Donc voilà, peut-on utiliser les images, dans quel mesure? ,.. Merci pour vos infos PS: communément sur la ML fr et be :) ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] StreetView?
2011/11/23 Tim François sk1pp...@yahoo.co.uk: If you want to stick strictly to OSM best-practices, you CANNOT use data that you have collected from Google StreetView and use it in OSM. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners_Guide_1.1 Which is a ridiculous guideline. Copyright is on creativity, it does not forbid copying something that someone else has copied. Copying a Streetview photograph is forbidden, making a drawing to copy it might be, but using Streetview to see what kind of traffic sign is at a certain place is not a problem with copyright. At least not in the real world. But apparently Openstreetmap is not the real world. -- André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetView?
For those who don't read the FR list, here an answer... (Sorry it's in french...) Tl;DR == Ok to take some info once in a while (street names co) but not systematically ; (said by a google employee http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-April/057473.html ) -- Forwarded message -- From: Pieren pier...@gmail.com Date: 2011/11/23 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetView? To: Discussions sur OSM en français talk...@openstreetmap.org 2011/11/23 eMerzh merz...@gmail.com: Bien évidemment, les images ne sont pas toute jeune même c'est du même acabit que les images bing. Donc voilà, peut-on utiliser les images, dans quel mesure? ,.. Euh, j'ai pas compris si tu parles d'images aériennes (référence à Bing) ou d'images prises depuis le sol (Google Street View). Concernant les images aériennes, comme le mentionne Thomas, la réponse est simple : il est interdit de tracer directement depuis les orthophotos (sauf autorisation express comme l'a fait Microsoft/Bing). Concernant les images prises depuis les Googles cars, c'est plus compliqué puisqu'on ne trace pas directement depuis les photos mais on retire une information présente sur la photo (par exemple, un panneau sens interdit ou le nom d'une rue si le panneau n'est pas flouté). Hors, il y a souvent une confusion sur ce sujet concernant les droits d'auteur. Google est bien le propriétaire des droits des photos publiées sur StreetView et il est interdit de les reproduire (les photos) sans leur autorisation. Toutefois, Google n'est pas propriétaire des rues qu'il a pris en photo (pas encore ;-), ni des informations contenues dans ces photos. Il est même souvent en violation du droit lorsqu'il oublie de flouter des visages ou des informations d'ordre privée qu'il publie sans l'autorisation des personnes concernées (autre vaste débat). Il ne faut pas confondre photos et contenu des photos. Il est donc tout à fait légal d'utiliser une photo street view pour vérifier qu'un panneau sens interdit est bien présent à tel endroit. Mais, et il y a un mais, faire une utilisation systématique de StreetView pose d'autres problèmes légaux qui font que ça n'est pas possible non plus de le faire trop souvent sans l'autorisation de Google (droit relatif aux collections de données). La question de l'utilisation de StreetView pour OSM a déjà été posée à plusieurs reprises à Google et notamment Ed Parsons, porte-parole des projets géographiques chez Google et qui répond ceci: so checking the odd street names is OK.. but every street name I would suggest would represent a bulk feed. qu'on peut traduire approximativement par vérifier quelques noms de rue est OK.. mais tous les noms de rues représenterait un usage massif. (et donc interdit, ndt) Voir une copie de sa réponse sur cette archive: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-April/057473.html Pour résumer, utiliser StreetView pour un usage occasionnel, oui; pour un usage systématique, non. J'ajouterais que StreetView n'est qu'un instantané parfois ancien et donc que cela ne remplacera jamais la vérification sur le terrain. Comme on le voit, c'est un sujet complexe et trop souvent, les gens préfèrent dire de ne pas le faire par précaution mais c'est plus le résultat d'une culture de la peur que d'une vision éclairée du droit. Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetView?
Don't rely on the streetnames and housenumbers indicated by Google. I was only in my second street and detected a totally wrong street name. The housenumbers were as indicated approximative and way off. The viewpoints of Google are with distances of 20 m plus and so many signs and even housenumbers (when houses are not at the street border) are not readable on the photo. Also Polyglot will be out of luck for decoding sign plates at the bus stops. As 2012 is an election year for the villages, many streets are and will be in the works, so even the appearance (surface, cycleways) of the streets may already be or will be changed since the registration. Use the derived info with care. When you see anomalies or big differences with OSM, plan a survey at the place. The streetview can help you with the preparation at what to look out for. Regards, Gerard. eMerzh wrote: For those who don't read the FR list, here an answer... (Sorry it's in french...) Tl;DR == Ok to take some info once in a while (street names co) but not systematically ; (said by a google employee http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-April/057473.html ) -- Forwarded message -- From: Pieren pier...@gmail.com Date: 2011/11/23 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetView? To: Discussions sur OSM en français talk...@openstreetmap.org 2011/11/23 eMerzh merz...@gmail.com: Bien évidemment, les images ne sont pas toute jeune même c'est du même acabit que les images bing. Donc voilà, peut-on utiliser les images, dans quel mesure? ,.. Euh, j'ai pas compris si tu parles d'images aériennes (référence à Bing) ou d'images prises depuis le sol (Google Street View). Concernant les images aériennes, comme le mentionne Thomas, la réponse est simple : il est interdit de tracer directement depuis les orthophotos (sauf autorisation express comme l'a fait Microsoft/Bing). Concernant les images prises depuis les Googles cars, c'est plus compliqué puisqu'on ne trace pas directement depuis les photos mais on retire une information présente sur la photo (par exemple, un panneau sens interdit ou le nom d'une rue si le panneau n'est pas flouté). Hors, il y a souvent une confusion sur ce sujet concernant les droits d'auteur. Google est bien le propriétaire des droits des photos publiées sur StreetView et il est interdit de les reproduire (les photos) sans leur autorisation. Toutefois, Google n'est pas propriétaire des rues qu'il a pris en photo (pas encore ;-), ni des informations contenues dans ces photos. Il est même souvent en violation du droit lorsqu'il oublie de flouter des visages ou des informations d'ordre privée qu'il publie sans l'autorisation des personnes concernées (autre vaste débat). Il ne faut pas confondre photos et contenu des photos. Il est donc tout à fait légal d'utiliser une photo street view pour vérifier qu'un panneau sens interdit est bien présent à tel endroit. Mais, et il y a un mais, faire une utilisation systématique de StreetView pose d'autres problèmes légaux qui font que ça n'est pas possible non plus de le faire trop souvent sans l'autorisation de Google (droit relatif aux collections de données). La question de l'utilisation de StreetView pour OSM a déjà été posée à plusieurs reprises à Google et notamment Ed Parsons, porte-parole des projets géographiques chez Google et qui répond ceci: so checking the odd street names is OK.. but every street name I would suggest would represent a bulk feed. qu'on peut traduire approximativement par vérifier quelques noms de rue est OK.. mais tous les noms de rues représenterait un usage massif. (et donc interdit, ndt) Voir une copie de sa réponse sur cette archive: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-April/057473.html Pour résumer, utiliser StreetView pour un usage occasionnel, oui; pour un usage systématique, non. J'ajouterais que StreetView n'est qu'un instantané parfois ancien et donc que cela ne remplacera jamais la vérification sur le terrain. Comme on le voit, c'est un sujet complexe et trop souvent, les gens préfèrent dire de ne pas le faire par précaution mais c'est plus le résultat d'une culture de la peur que d'une vision éclairée du droit. Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-fr] StreetView?
Hello à tous, Ici en belgique, google viens de rendre disponible streetview je sais que en France ça fait un bout de temps que c'est disponible mais voila :) La question reviens naturellement sur l'utilisation de StreetView pour récolter des informations pour osm. Bien évidemment, les images ne sont pas toute jeune même c'est du même acabit que les images bing. Donc voilà, peut-on utiliser les images, dans quel mesure? ,.. Merci pour vos infos PS: communément sur la ML fr et be :) ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetView?
Le 23/11/2011 09:39, eMerzh a écrit : Donc voilà, peut-on utiliser les images, dans quel mesure? ,.. Il est interdit de les utiliser pour en faire un produit dérivé -- Thomas Clavier http://www.tcweb.org Jabber/XMPP/MSN/Gtalk :t...@jabber.tcweb.org +33 (0)6 20 81 81 30 +33 (0)950 783 783 ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetView?
Le 23 novembre 2011 10:31, Thomas Clavier t...@tcweb.org a écrit : Le 23/11/2011 09:39, eMerzh a écrit : Donc voilà, peut-on utiliser les images, dans quel mesure? ,.. Il est interdit de les utiliser pour en faire un produit dérivé et concernant les licences j'ajouterai dans le doute, abstiens toi ;) -- Christian ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetView?
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 10:31:50 +0100, Thomas Clavier wrote: Le 23/11/2011 09:39, eMerzh a écrit : Donc voilà, peut-on utiliser les images, dans quel mesure? ,.. Il est interdit de les utiliser pour en faire un produit dérivé baaa, faut qu'on soit clair alors, j'ai posé la question pas plus tard que 10 jours et les réponses n'allaient pas toutes dans ce sens La question http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2011-November/037636.html Des réponses http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2011-November/037638.html http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2011-November/037653.html http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2011-November/037793.html -- JB ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetView?
2011/11/23 eMerzh merz...@gmail.com: Bien évidemment, les images ne sont pas toute jeune même c'est du même acabit que les images bing. Donc voilà, peut-on utiliser les images, dans quel mesure? ,.. Euh, j'ai pas compris si tu parles d'images aériennes (référence à Bing) ou d'images prises depuis le sol (Google Street View). Concernant les images aériennes, comme le mentionne Thomas, la réponse est simple : il est interdit de tracer directement depuis les orthophotos (sauf autorisation express comme l'a fait Microsoft/Bing). Concernant les images prises depuis les Googles cars, c'est plus compliqué puisqu'on ne trace pas directement depuis les photos mais on retire une information présente sur la photo (par exemple, un panneau sens interdit ou le nom d'une rue si le panneau n'est pas flouté). Hors, il y a souvent une confusion sur ce sujet concernant les droits d'auteur. Google est bien le propriétaire des droits des photos publiées sur StreetView et il est interdit de les reproduire (les photos) sans leur autorisation. Toutefois, Google n'est pas propriétaire des rues qu'il a pris en photo (pas encore ;-), ni des informations contenues dans ces photos. Il est même souvent en violation du droit lorsqu'il oublie de flouter des visages ou des informations d'ordre privée qu'il publie sans l'autorisation des personnes concernées (autre vaste débat). Il ne faut pas confondre photos et contenu des photos. Il est donc tout à fait légal d'utiliser une photo street view pour vérifier qu'un panneau sens interdit est bien présent à tel endroit. Mais, et il y a un mais, faire une utilisation systématique de StreetView pose d'autres problèmes légaux qui font que ça n'est pas possible non plus de le faire trop souvent sans l'autorisation de Google (droit relatif aux collections de données). La question de l'utilisation de StreetView pour OSM a déjà été posée à plusieurs reprises à Google et notamment Ed Parsons, porte-parole des projets géographiques chez Google et qui répond ceci: so checking the odd street names is OK.. but every street name I would suggest would represent a bulk feed. qu'on peut traduire approximativement par vérifier quelques noms de rue est OK.. mais tous les noms de rues représenterait un usage massif. (et donc interdit, ndt) Voir une copie de sa réponse sur cette archive: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-April/057473.html Pour résumer, utiliser StreetView pour un usage occasionnel, oui; pour un usage systématique, non. J'ajouterais que StreetView n'est qu'un instantané parfois ancien et donc que cela ne remplacera jamais la vérification sur le terrain. Comme on le voit, c'est un sujet complexe et trop souvent, les gens préfèrent dire de ne pas le faire par précaution mais c'est plus le résultat d'une culture de la peur que d'une vision éclairée du droit. Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetView?
Donc si le doute est levé par ce message provenant de Google (usage ponctuel ok, mais interdit en usage massif), plus besoin de s'abstenir... ponctuellement bien sûr ! -- Christian ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetView?
Ok merci à tous pour vos réponses... Donc voilà streetview oui mais parcimonieusement...ça me va :) 2011/11/23 Christian Quest christian.qu...@gmail.com: Donc si le doute est levé par ce message provenant de Google (usage ponctuel ok, mais interdit en usage massif), plus besoin de s'abstenir... ponctuellement bien sûr ! -- Christian ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetView?
De : eMerzh Ok merci à tous pour vos réponses... Donc voilà streetview oui mais parcimonieusement...ça me va :) 2011/11/23 Christian Quest : Donc si le doute est levé par ce message provenant de Google (usage ponctuel ok, mais interdit en usage massif), plus besoin de s'abstenir... ponctuellement bien sûr ! Sur Paris, StreetView date (~2007), ce qui en fait une source documentaire à manipuler avec beaucoup de pincettes. Je m'en sers pour confirmer ponctuellement ma source principale (mon dictaphone), et c'est souvent pour constater que ce que j'ai vu n'a pas grand chose à voir avec ce que montre StreetView. C'est flagrant sur la rotation des commerces. Donc à utiliser doublement avec parcimonie. vincent Une messagerie gratuite, garantie à vie et des services en plus, ça vous tente ? Je crée ma boîte mail www.laposte.net ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetView?
Le 23/11/2011 16:16, Vincent de Chateau-Thierry a écrit : Sur Paris, StreetView date (~2007), ce qui en fait une source documentaire à manipuler avec beaucoup de pincettes. Je m'en sers pour confirmer ponctuellement ma source principale (mon dictaphone), et c'est souvent pour constater que ce que j'ai vu n'a pas grand chose à voir avec ce que montre StreetView. C'est flagrant sur la rotation des commerces. Donc à utiliser doublement avec parcimonie. Je confirme. Sur Besançon, Streetview est beaucoup plus récent. Les vues ont été prises en 2009, 2010 et 2011 selon les endroits. Et pourtant, je peux lister tout un tas de trucs à mapper sur OSM qui n'existent pas (ou sont différents) sur les vues Street View. Souvent, les vues me servent justement à comparer les nouveaux aménagements avec ce qui existait avant. Street View peut être utile pour vérifier l'orthographe d'une nom (de commerce, de rue...) ou des choses comme ça. Mais même si on avait le droit de l'exploiter intensivement, ça ne serait pas quelque chose à faire. -- AC ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetView?
Le 23 nov. 2011 à 11:17, Pieren a écrit : so checking the odd street names is OK.. but every street name I would suggest would represent a bulk feed. qu'on peut traduire approximativement par vérifier quelques noms de rue est OK.. mais tous les noms de rues représenterait un usage massif. (et donc interdit, net) Cela ressemble des paroles en l'air, surtout, quand on suit l'actualité judiciaire de Google en Allemagne (plaintes pour atteinte à la vie privée) et ailleurs : bisbilles avec des éditeurs. Google se passera bien d'être ridicule. Le porte-parole s'est, d'ailleurs bien gardé de donner une teinture juridique à son propos. ;-) Christan ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView: StreetView for footpaths and trails
Just a quick follow up: apologies for the downtime overnight, when changing around the locations of files on the server to prepare for committing to SVN, I messed up one or two paths. Anyway it should work again now. Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OpenTrailView: StreetView for footpaths and trails
Hi, (*posted to talk in case of interest, but all follow ups will be on the Photos list*) Having been, I have to admit, just a little impressed with the current state of Google Street View in the UK (i.e. it's now complete), my interest in developing StreetView for footpaths has been resurrected. So I'd like to announce the initial version of OpenTrailView at : http://www.free-map.org.uk/otv/ OpenTrailView (OTV) is a little different to OpenStreetView, but there are significant overlaps. OTV focuses on panoramas, i.e. 360 degree photographic views from a particular point, and is solely concerned with off-road views, not street views. The eventual aim is to build something like StreetView for the world's footpaths, trails and publicly-accessible wild places. At the moment it's pretty basic. Nonetheless you can: * Submit a panorama. * Align a panorama with a footpath. There are two sample panoramas in the system already, one is just north of the default view, one is a few miles southeast. You can rotate the camera icon by dragging it, to align the panorama with the footpath it's on. One of the two samples is a street view BTW, but that's just for testing purposes. * View a panorama by moving the mouse over the camera icon. Current immediate future plans are: * Try and standardise on the dimensions of the panorama in pixels. This is more a photography than a software issue - so any ideas here would be most welcome! * More in the way of instructions * Take a good sample of panoramas in a countryside area near me (New Forest) and actually start developing a StreetView-like app. I realise this is somewhat re-writing what's already been done in the main OpenStreetView site, but TBH Rails and me don't mix that well and I figured it would be easier for me to start from scratch using PHP :-) Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView: StreetView for footpaths and trails
Nice, Will the source code be available in one of the svn repositories? - The first thing I would like to see is a function to click a location on a map to set lat/lon instead of entering it. - Another would be to read EXIF information regarding coordinates instead of entering it About the photo's, are they supposed to be panorama's, or 360 images? Nick Whitelegg wrote: Hi, (*posted to talk in case of interest, but all follow ups will be on the Photos list*) Having been, I have to admit, just a little impressed with the current state of Google Street View in the UK (i.e. it's now complete), my interest in developing StreetView for footpaths has been resurrected. So I'd like to announce the initial version of OpenTrailView at : http://www.free-map.org.uk/otv/ OpenTrailView (OTV) is a little different to OpenStreetView, but there are significant overlaps. OTV focuses on panoramas, i.e. 360 degree photographic views from a particular point, and is solely concerned with off-road views, not street views. The eventual aim is to build something like StreetView for the world's footpaths, trails and publicly-accessible wild places. At the moment it's pretty basic. Nonetheless you can: * Submit a panorama. * Align a panorama with a footpath. There are two sample panoramas in the system already, one is just north of the default view, one is a few miles southeast. You can rotate the camera icon by dragging it, to align the panorama with the footpath it's on. One of the two samples is a street view BTW, but that's just for testing purposes. * View a panorama by moving the mouse over the camera icon. Current immediate future plans are: * Try and standardise on the dimensions of the panorama in pixels. This is more a photography than a software issue - so any ideas here would be most welcome! * More in the way of instructions * Take a good sample of panoramas in a countryside area near me (New Forest) and actually start developing a StreetView-like app. I realise this is somewhat re-writing what's already been done in the main OpenStreetView site, but TBH Rails and me don't mix that well and I figured it would be easier for me to start from scratch using PHP :-) Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView: StreetView for footpaths and trails
On 24 March 2010 04:50, Milo van der Linden m...@dogodigi.net wrote: Nice, Will the source code be available in one of the svn repositories? - The first thing I would like to see is a function to click a location on a map to set lat/lon instead of entering it. When I read the instructions, I thought that was the dragging of the camera icon to change the location, but it just changes the centre direction. About the photo's, are they supposed to be panorama's, or 360 images? It seems panoramas. It avoids technical barriers to submission and also to viewing. I was also considering adding a feature where you can drag a marker along side the photo and it spins a line from the icon on the map. So you can easily see which direction a point in the photo is looking at. I might also feature-request a list of photo names/locations awaiting approval, but I guess the flow of uploading might change anyway. Sorry, I spun the orientation by mistake. I might take some nice panoramas and upload to make up for it. -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView: StreetView for footpaths and trails
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: Hi, (*posted to talk in case of interest, but all follow ups will be on the Photos list*) cool I uploaded a picture of Bogota, Colombia and wait for the confirmation. greetings Humano Having been, I have to admit, just a little impressed with the current state of Google Street View in the UK (i.e. it's now complete), my interest in developing StreetView for footpaths has been resurrected. So I'd like to announce the initial version of OpenTrailView at : http://www.free-map.org.uk/otv/ OpenTrailView (OTV) is a little different to OpenStreetView, but there are significant overlaps. OTV focuses on panoramas, i.e. 360 degree photographic views from a particular point, and is solely concerned with off-road views, not street views. The eventual aim is to build something like StreetView for the world's footpaths, trails and publicly-accessible wild places. At the moment it's pretty basic. Nonetheless you can: * Submit a panorama. * Align a panorama with a footpath. There are two sample panoramas in the system already, one is just north of the default view, one is a few miles southeast. You can rotate the camera icon by dragging it, to align the panorama with the footpath it's on. One of the two samples is a street view BTW, but that's just for testing purposes. * View a panorama by moving the mouse over the camera icon. Current immediate future plans are: * Try and standardise on the dimensions of the panorama in pixels. This is more a photography than a software issue - so any ideas here would be most welcome! * More in the way of instructions * Take a good sample of panoramas in a countryside area near me (New Forest) and actually start developing a StreetView-like app. I realise this is somewhat re-writing what's already been done in the main OpenStreetView site, but TBH Rails and me don't mix that well and I figured it would be easier for me to start from scratch using PHP :-) Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- http://GaleNUx.com es el sistema de información para la salud --///-- Teléfono USA: (347) 688-4473 (Google voice) skype: llamarafredyrivera ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView: StreetView for footpaths and trails
This is certainly a nice project and a challenge to do, but it would take out the fun of actually walking /trailing if you are not surprised anymore by the lovely view around that corner. Come on dear, just a few hundred meters more and you will see that lovely panorama on the OTVtown you admired on OTV last week. A map, OK but streetview for footpaths No You may say, don't use OTV if you want to be surprised, and you are probably right. So go on and make it. The fun is yours anyway taking the pictures and walking the trail. ;)) You might take a look at http://www.diy-streetview.org/ to get an idea of the required equipment. Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Nick Whitelegg Verzonden: woensdag 24 maart 2010 11:43 Aan: talk@openstreetmap.org Onderwerp: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView: StreetView for footpaths and trails Hi, (*posted to talk in case of interest, but all follow ups will be on the Photos list*) Having been, I have to admit, just a little impressed with the current state of Google Street View in the UK (i.e. it's now complete), my interest in developing StreetView for footpaths has been resurrected. So I'd like to announce the initial version of OpenTrailView at : http://www.free-map.org.uk/otv/ OpenTrailView (OTV) is a little different to OpenStreetView, but there are significant overlaps. OTV focuses on panoramas, i.e. 360 degree photographic views from a particular point, and is solely concerned with off-road views, not street views. The eventual aim is to build something like StreetView for the world's footpaths, trails and publicly-accessible wild places. At the moment it's pretty basic. Nonetheless you can: * Submit a panorama. * Align a panorama with a footpath. There are two sample panoramas in the system already, one is just north of the default view, one is a few miles southeast. You can rotate the camera icon by dragging it, to align the panorama with the footpath it's on. One of the two samples is a street view BTW, but that's just for testing purposes. * View a panorama by moving the mouse over the camera icon. Current immediate future plans are: * Try and standardise on the dimensions of the panorama in pixels. This is more a photography than a software issue - so any ideas here would be most welcome! * More in the way of instructions * Take a good sample of panoramas in a countryside area near me (New Forest) and actually start developing a StreetView-like app. I realise this is somewhat re-writing what's already been done in the main OpenStreetView site, but TBH Rails and me don't mix that well and I figured it would be easier for me to start from scratch using PHP :-) Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView: StreetView for footpaths and trails
Nice, Will the source code be available in one of the svn repositories? Yes, I've just added it (and the whole of Freemap) to the OSM SVN repository at sites/www.free-map.org.uk/otv/ It is intended to gather panoramas by the way. Thanks for the suggestions. Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView: StreetView for footpaths and trails
This is certainly a nice project and a challenge to do, but it would take out the fun of actually walking /trailing if you are not surprised anymore by the lovely view around that corner. Though seeing the view for real is a bit different than seeing it on the internet! ;-) Also there are other use cases, e.g. being out in the field, and using it as a navigation tool on your phone. Come on dear, just a few hundred meters more and you will see that lovely panorama on the OTVtown you admired on OTV last week. A map, OK but streetview for footpaths No You may say, don't use OTV if you want to be surprised, and you are probably right. So go on and make it. The fun is yours anyway taking the pictures and walking the trail. ;)) You might take a look at http://www.diy-streetview.org/ to get an idea of the required equipment. TBH I'd prefer it's a low-barrier-to-entry project with less-than-perfect (but adequate) panoramas where all you need is a standard camera and the ability to use photo-stitching software. Having to cart around lots of equipment would rather reduce my own interest and I suspect, others. My tests so far seem to suggest that the panoramas generated by basic equipment are adequate, though if I am missing something let me know. Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView: StreetView for footpaths and trails
On 24 March 2010 13:25, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: You may say, don't use OTV if you want to be surprised, and you are probably right. So go on and make it. The fun is yours anyway taking the pictures and walking the trail. ;)) You might take a look at http://www.diy-streetview.org/ to get an idea of the required equipment. TBH I'd prefer it's a low-barrier-to-entry project with less-than-perfect (but adequate) panoramas where all you need is a standard camera and the ability to use photo-stitching software. Having to cart around lots of equipment would rather reduce my own interest and I suspect, others. My tests so far seem to suggest that the panoramas generated by basic equipment are adequate, though if I am missing something let me know. I can't remember if this how the guys above do it or if it was someone else... The equipment consists of two cameras facing opposite directions, and a fish-eye lens on each. Some chunks of wood to fix them together, on a pole so you can just hold it up with one hand, and some mechanism to press the both shutter buttons at once. It's inexpensive, but fun if you like DIY and get obsessed with OTV, and produces about the same quality of panoramas. I can see myself going as far as sticking my camera on a broom pole, so I have a point to spin on. -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Google Streetview Competitor supports Openstreetmap
Hi, I don't know whether anybody has already written about this here (I did a quick search but couldn't find anything related). So here for those who are interested: In July there was an announcement on the german mailing list that a Google-Streetview competitor allows openstreetmap contributors to derive information from their photos. The company (panogate) currently offers only coverage of some german cities, but more is to come within the next months. Read more about it here: http://tinyurl.com/streetview4osm Best, Stephan -- sb-lis...@gmx-topmail.de ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: But the point I was trying to make was more that of 'We get stopped and told we have to ask permission' while Goggle stick two fingers up and just carry on regardless. It is about time there was a level playing field, and just because one can throw silly amounts of money at a problem to make it go away should not be acceptable :( From what I understand the rules are as much about intent as they are about anything else, google's intent is to photograph streets for use on the web, they aren't intentionally going out of their way to invade privacy. If you were to do the same thing I doubt you'd get stopped either, if on the other hand you were specifically aiming to invade privacy that is another matter. So from a legal point of view I don't think there is an issue, morally however it is a lot more merky but there is no laws specifically about it. On the other hand people have filled legal complaints about them doing street view down private access roads and they should be taken to task over these things. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
John Smith wrote: --- On Fri, 31/7/09, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: But the point I was trying to make was more that of 'We get stopped and told we have to ask permission' while Goggle stick two fingers up and just carry on regardless. It is about time there was a level playing field, and just because one can throw silly amounts of money at a problem to make it go away should not be acceptable :( From what I understand the rules are as much about intent as they are about anything else, google's intent is to photograph streets for use on the web, they aren't intentionally going out of their way to invade privacy. If you were to do the same thing I doubt you'd get stopped either, if on the other hand you were specifically aiming to invade privacy that is another matter. So from a legal point of view I don't think there is an issue, morally however it is a lot more merky but there is no laws specifically about it. On the other hand people have filled legal complaints about them doing street view down private access roads and they should be taken to task over these things. Yep ... But they COULD achieve their aim without pushing the camera up to a height that provides a view that the normal man in the street would not easily be able to achieve. They are providing a view of the world that is intentionally more inclusive than is necessary. So from my perspective they ARE intentionally going out of their way to invade privacy by showing views that are simply not normally visible? If we want to see what is over a wall we can now go to google . -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: more inclusive than is necessary. So from my perspective they ARE intentionally going out of their way to invade privacy by showing views that are simply not normally visible? If we want to see what is over a wall we can now go to google . Maybe so, but I doubt the law would cover such things in most places, however people can get laws changed and they could in effect be retro active simply because the information is widely viewable. However as is I don't think there is any laws that would cover this, most data is being collected on public property etc so yea it comes down to intent and their primary intent isn't the same thing as a peeping tom even if the outcome is the same. You didn't intend to kill someone but they still died, is the difference between man slaughter and murder. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
their kit looks quite bulky. I've got just one videocamera (and no LIDAR) fitted, and it all mounts on handlebars with room to spare for other stuff. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Georeference_video Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above the traffic? other people could probably use just one smartphone to do all 3 functions (camera, storage, and GPS)? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
2009/7/30 OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com: their kit looks quite bulky. I've got just one videocamera (and no LIDAR) fitted, and it all mounts on handlebars with room to spare for other stuff. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Georeference_video Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above the traffic? I guess they are recording in higher resolutions. The problem with webcams is, that you can't read the signs (e.g. one of your photos: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StreetPhotos/frames/001500.jpg it's even unpossible to read the number plate of the motorbike in the foreground). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above the traffic? I guess they are recording in higher resolutions. The problem with I don't know what res street view in general is but you can't read most signs. Some of the newer mobile phones are getting HD resolutions. The reason for most of the bulk is a computer, and I bet batteries run everything, to correlate the images from multiple cameras at the same time and geotagging it properly etc. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
John Smith wrote: Sent: 30 July 2009 10:42 AM To: OJ W; m...@koppenhoefer.com Cc: OSM Talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes --- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above the traffic? I guess they are recording in higher resolutions. The problem with I don't know what res street view in general is but you can't read most signs. Some of the newer mobile phones are getting HD resolutions. The reason for most of the bulk is a computer, and I bet batteries run everything, to correlate the images from multiple cameras at the same time and geotagging it properly etc. The video of the trike when it was first seen in Rome back in May suggests it carries a small generator (red), perhaps just to charge batteries when stopped rather than run the whole setup? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAsfEsK5t2Y Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
OJ W wrote: Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above the traffic? THAT I think is the big mistake that Google made. Pushing the camera head up so that it looks OVER security walls and hedges is what annoys people the most. If a person has to use a ladder to obtain a picture then it's a violation of privacy, but if Google do it is a 'public service' - usual sod the law arrogance :( -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Lester Caineles...@lsces.co.uk wrote: OJ W wrote: Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above the traffic? THAT I think is the big mistake that Google made. Pushing the camera head up so that it looks OVER security walls and hedges is what annoys people the most. If a person has to use a ladder to obtain a picture then it's a violation of privacy, but if Google do it is a 'public service' - usual sod the law arrogance :( well the [1.3m above ground] alternative is lots of photos of the van in front of you it's probably fascinating to have a streetview showing all the drivers making phone calls and eating breakfast while overtaking, but not much use for mapping... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
Yann Coupin wrote: The problem is that your reasoning doesn't take bus/coach/hgv into account. You're probably going to be as high in each of those vehicules as Google's cams are... Not on many of the private roads that are now being photographed but from which large vehicles are banned - even when incorrectly directed by incompetence on the part of GPS systems that do not understand that a 6 foot wide road will not take an 8 ft wide lorry ;) The last 'accident' not far from here needed a crane to remove the vehicle in question :) Simply filming and saying 'we will remove pictures if you want' is just arrogance that should not be condoned. Just like their copying of books without actually getting permission from the copyright owner! Le 30 juil. 09 à 12:04, Lester Caine a écrit : OJ W wrote: Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above the traffic? THAT I think is the big mistake that Google made. Pushing the camera head up so that it looks OVER security walls and hedges is what annoys people the most. If a person has to use a ladder to obtain a picture then it's a violation of privacy, but if Google do it is a 'public service' - usual sod the law arrogance :( -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
2009/7/30 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: Simply filming and saying 'we will remove pictures if you want' is just arrogance that should not be condoned. What's wrong with it? Where's the exact line dividing looking with naked eye and filming? Since a camera is a set of light sensors and lenses, if I'm using an N800 internet tablet with the ambient light sensor, does that count as filming? Should people with prothetic eyes be ordered to close eyes when they pass near a private property? The idea of google streetview infringing anybody's privacy is so misled. Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
Hi, andrzej zaborowski wrote: The idea of google streetview infringing anybody's privacy is so misled. I'm sure there is lots of intelligent argument on both sides of the fence and I have no desire of going into the details here. But on a more general note - I think that someone's privacy is infringed as soon as that person feels that their privacy has been infringed. Much like you are insulting someone if they feel insulted by what you say. It is not something that can be judged objectively. You can only, for purposes of lawmaking, set certain limits to which people have to endure infringement of their privacy (e.g. you may feel your privacy infringed by people walking down the road and looking at your house but that doesn't mean you can sue them). But that doesn't mean that by definition looking at other people's houses does not infringe their privacy. It is not something you can argue away with logic. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
I meant to send this to the list As an idea for 'openstreetviewbike' you could use a single camera pointing straight up with a rotating mirror above it in order to capture in all directions at once. The velocity of the bike would probably be OK to still capture pictures with close enough proximity to be useful to OSM. You might want to use some for of digital shutter/sports mode to combat bluring. If you were taking discrete pictures (rather than full video) a simple switch could be used to tag each 'picture' with a GPS location, and/or to cause a PC/Netbook/etc to store the image to disk. Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
I meant to send this to the list... What's wrong with it? Where's the exact line dividing looking with naked eye and filming? I think that the difference here is that they make the images available for others to view. There can be a great difference between taking a picture of a drunk, and posting the same picture on the web (especially if you call it 'drunk.jpg'). As to the elevation of the camera head, I think they also need the multiple cameras to be close to a point source (rather on the sides of the car) so that they can stitch the images together. I assume that the boxes below the camera were LIDAR, so the cyclist probably doesn't want to be hit with that all day either. The positioning of the GPS antenna seemed a bit odd, one would think on top of the pole would be better (unless they are photographing upwards as well). I think that the cars also collect GSM tower IDs/timing/signal strength and 802.11 MAC/signal strength, as these are used in their mobile applications for augmenting position. http://code.google.com/apis/gears/geolocation_network_protocol.html Cheers, Simon. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
As an idea for 'openstreetviewbike' you could use a single camera pointing straight up with a rotating mirror above it in order to capture in all directions at once. A colleague suggested using a hi-res camera shooting upwards onto a fixed multi-angle mirror. How much resolution do you need for OSM? Maybe with larger mirrors pointing to the side and smaller ones to the front and back. If you shoot 10MPixels and loose 1/2 of those to 'blank' areas, wouldn't that be enough? You could de-multiplex the images using a fairly simple imagemagick script. A Canon EOS Rebel, a few mirrors and some glue... might be an interesting experiment. Simon. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:51 PM, si...@mungewell.org wrote: A Canon EOS Rebel, a few mirrors and some glue... might be an interesting experiment. The Canon 30D (for example) is rated for 100,000 shutter cycles. If you take a shot every 1-10 seconds, you'll be able to go for roughly 6 straight hours before the shutter will fail. That's why Google uses high-res digital video cameras running on Firewire on their rigs. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Ian Dees wrote: That's why Google uses high-res digital video cameras running on Firewire on their rigs. I was more expecting the Elphel board design ;) Using 20MP kodak's CCDs like they use in their book digitizing stuff. Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, si...@mungewell.org si...@mungewell.org wrote: What's wrong with it? Where's the exact line dividing looking with naked eye and filming? I think that the difference here is that they make the images available for others to view. There can be a great difference between taking a picture of a drunk, and posting the same picture on the web (especially if you call it 'drunk.jpg'). Apart from broadcasting internationally, the problem is computers generally don't forget. Something that may be socially ok now, might not be in future, or legally even. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:22:23 -0500 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: The Canon 30D (for example) is rated for 100,000 shutter cycles. If you take a shot every 1-10 seconds, you'll be able to go for roughly 6 straight hours before the shutter will fail. OK so how nerdy am I, just spent an hour (or so) reading up on this and I don't even have a DSLR. ;-) 1). The shutter fail, is apparently more to do with the 'lift mirror' action than the 'rolling curtain' shutters. No indication on how many triggers before the rolling shutters fail... 2). 'Better' DSLRs have a live preview mode where mirror is lifted and image is displayed on screen rather than in optical view finder. 3). 'Silent mode' can use an electronic 1st stage shutter, followed by a mechanical 2nd stage. You can also get the live preview across a USB cable, although I didn't find any commentary on the maximum resolution this can be at, only the fps. Suggestion was that it's mjpeg images so I suspect it is low res. http://sourceforge.net/projects/eos-movrec/ Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
John Smith wrote: --- On Thu, 30/7/09, si...@mungewell.org si...@mungewell.org wrote: What's wrong with it? Where's the exact line dividing looking with naked eye and filming? I think that the difference here is that they make the images available for others to view. There can be a great difference between taking a picture of a drunk, and posting the same picture on the web (especially if you call it 'drunk.jpg'). Apart from broadcasting internationally, the problem is computers generally don't forget. Something that may be socially ok now, might not be in future, or legally even. But the point I was trying to make was more that of 'We get stopped and told we have to ask permission' while Goggle stick two fingers up and just carry on regardless. It is about time there was a level playing field, and just because one can throw silly amounts of money at a problem to make it go away should not be acceptable :( -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
This is very interesting and might be useful if at some point we get Google to open up the license of their street view images: http://fivebells.livejournal.com/24977.html In other news, how's openstreetphoto doing? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
