Re: [Talk-transit] [Talk-GB] Linked Railway Data Project Datasets

2010-01-25 Per discussione Frankie Roberto

 Is this:

   http://ontologi.es/rail/void.xhtml

 any use?

 Could a bot add, say, all the URLs to OSM?


Interesting. We'd need some way of matching up the stations and routes with
the relations in OSM. In many cases though, the National Rail three-letter
stations codes are already added with the ref= tag. Which URLs would you
want to import though? The ones to Wikipedia?

Frankie

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[talk-ph] looking for short-term contract and technical support for FOSS GIS

2010-01-25 Per discussione maning sambale
Hi,

Apologies for cross-posting.  I am hoping to get a local contact
(based in the Philippines).

We are looking for geo-geeks to assist and provide technical support in
deploying FOSS-based GIS server implementation.

Software stack
Dbase - PostGIS and MS-SQL
Frontend - openlayers, qgis, udig and ArcGIS
GIS server - Geoserver

Previous experience in deployment of similar software stack is necessary.
Interested applicants/consultants, please send me your resume and portfolio.

cheers,
maning

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Re: [OSM-talk] Timeline animation of Haïti map evoluti on

2010-01-25 Per discussione Eric Marsden
 lz == Liz  ed...@billiau.net writes:

  lz That seems to be the best way to get publicity these days so I presume 
someone 
  lz needs to put them on those places.
  lz Eric are they CC videos?

  OK, I have uploaded them you the Youtube which may make viewing more
  convenient for some people. 
  
  Port au Prince:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7-7zVyRXIY

  Haïti:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFwdtp52MS4


  The animations are CC-BY-SA, though I haven't worked out how to tag
  them as such in Youtube.
  
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[OSM-talk] Using digital tablet for drawing maps

2010-01-25 Per discussione Igor Brejc
Hi everyone,

I'm thinking about buying a digital tablet and use it for drawing maps in
JOSM/Potlatch/... Has anyone had any experience with digital tablets and GIS
work (or even better - OSM work). I'm considering buying something cheap,
like Wacom Bamboo (link is below), but I don't know if it is really usable
for this kind of work (compared to a mouse). I find the mouse to be too
sensitive and difficult to pinpoint on something (unless I reconfigure it
for mapping work each time, which is tedious).

Thanks in advance,
Igor Brejc

http://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Bamboo-Touch-Small-Tablet/dp/B002OOWC3S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1264415098sr=8-1
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Re: [OSM-talk] Using digital tablet for drawing maps

2010-01-25 Per discussione David Earl
On 25/01/2010 10:29, Igor Brejc wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I'm thinking about buying a digital tablet and use it for drawing maps
 in JOSM/Potlatch/... Has anyone had any experience with digital tablets
 and GIS work (or even better - OSM work). I'm considering buying
 something cheap, like Wacom Bamboo (link is below), but I don't know if
 it is really usable for this kind of work (compared to a mouse). I find
 the mouse to be too sensitive and difficult to pinpoint on something
 (unless I reconfigure it for mapping work each time, which is tedious).

 Thanks in advance,
 Igor Brejc

 http://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Bamboo-Touch-Small-Tablet/dp/B002OOWC3S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1264415098sr=8-1
 http://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Bamboo-Touch-Small-Tablet/dp/B002OOWC3S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1264415098sr=8-1

I did use a tablet at one point, but I gave up. In principle it should 
be ideal and it is for most drawing and painting programs, and you 
quickly get used to the right button on the pen side and operating menus 
with it.

It's not the tablet that's the problem - an A6 size one is fine. The 
problem is Java. It seems to insist that for a mouse click to be 
recognized properly the coordinates at the down press have to be the 
same as those at the up-press. With a mouse this is a problem sometimes 
if you nudge it, but with a tablet it is impossible.

There is a plugin for JOSM which tries to remedy this (by checking if 
the up and down are within a certain distance of each other). It wasn't 
right and I hacked it a bit, but it still isn't quite right because 
there is often a delay before sensing mouse clicks - if you are 
creating a way, you frequently click-click-click quite fast along the 
track, and JOSM quickly gets behind and the mouse tracking gets 
confused. This happens using a mouse as well and is very frustrating, 
but it is much worse with a tablet in my experience.

So I think more could be done in JOSM to work around wjhat are 
essentially failings in Java's mouse handling, but it is not that great 
at the moment. It's not that you can't use it, you just have to be so 
much more deliberate and patient in entering clicks (and you do have to 
have the nearclick plugin)

David

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Re: [OSM-talk] Using digital tablet for drawing maps

2010-01-25 Per discussione Chris Browet
Funny you speak about that...

I recently found back my ages old Wacom Tablet and tried it with Merkaartor.
Looks like Qt has some kind of builtin supoort for tablets (or was it
Windows 7?) but it worked out-of-the-box (in tablet mode, not mouse
emulation).

That made me add a hand grabbing icon to Merkaartor, just for niceness ;-)

- Chris -

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:29, Igor Brejc igor.br...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 I'm thinking about buying a digital tablet and use it for drawing maps in
 JOSM/Potlatch/... Has anyone had any experience with digital tablets and GIS
 work (or even better - OSM work). I'm considering buying something cheap,
 like Wacom Bamboo (link is below), but I don't know if it is really usable
 for this kind of work (compared to a mouse). I find the mouse to be too
 sensitive and difficult to pinpoint on something (unless I reconfigure it
 for mapping work each time, which is tedious).

 Thanks in advance,
 Igor Brejc


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Re: [OSM-talk] Using digital tablet for drawing maps

2010-01-25 Per discussione Igor Brejc
David,

Yes, I noticed this clicking problem with JOSM myself, and it is annoying.
Is it Java or just JOSM-specific problem? In OS (Windows at least), the
mouse-down and mouse-up events are treated separately, so I don't see why it
would be problem if the mouse moves in between.
Anyway, thanks for the info. Looks like I'm going to have to borrow a tablet
and test it out with JOSM before buying.

Igor


On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:01 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.comwrote:

 On 25/01/2010 10:29, Igor Brejc wrote:
  Hi everyone,
 
  I'm thinking about buying a digital tablet and use it for drawing maps
  in JOSM/Potlatch/... Has anyone had any experience with digital tablets
  and GIS work (or even better - OSM work). I'm considering buying
  something cheap, like Wacom Bamboo (link is below), but I don't know if
  it is really usable for this kind of work (compared to a mouse). I find
  the mouse to be too sensitive and difficult to pinpoint on something
  (unless I reconfigure it for mapping work each time, which is tedious).
 
  Thanks in advance,
  Igor Brejc
 
 
 http://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Bamboo-Touch-Small-Tablet/dp/B002OOWC3S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1264415098sr=8-1
  
 http://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Bamboo-Touch-Small-Tablet/dp/B002OOWC3S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1264415098sr=8-1
 

 I did use a tablet at one point, but I gave up. In principle it should
 be ideal and it is for most drawing and painting programs, and you
 quickly get used to the right button on the pen side and operating menus
 with it.

 It's not the tablet that's the problem - an A6 size one is fine. The
 problem is Java. It seems to insist that for a mouse click to be
 recognized properly the coordinates at the down press have to be the
 same as those at the up-press. With a mouse this is a problem sometimes
 if you nudge it, but with a tablet it is impossible.

 There is a plugin for JOSM which tries to remedy this (by checking if
 the up and down are within a certain distance of each other). It wasn't
 right and I hacked it a bit, but it still isn't quite right because
 there is often a delay before sensing mouse clicks - if you are
 creating a way, you frequently click-click-click quite fast along the
 track, and JOSM quickly gets behind and the mouse tracking gets
 confused. This happens using a mouse as well and is very frustrating,
 but it is much worse with a tablet in my experience.

 So I think more could be done in JOSM to work around wjhat are
 essentially failings in Java's mouse handling, but it is not that great
 at the moment. It's not that you can't use it, you just have to be so
 much more deliberate and patient in entering clicks (and you do have to
 have the nearclick plugin)

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Re: [OSM-talk] haiti: use osm-matrix

2010-01-25 Per discussione Simone Cortesi
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:05, Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net wrote:
 so use http://projekte.eiops.de/osm-matrix/ !

 regards Jan :-)

is the source code for this now available somewhere?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Using digital tablet for drawing maps

2010-01-25 Per discussione Jukka Rahkonen
David Earl david at frankieandshadow.com writes:

 
 I guess it depends who you ask. I think it's that Java and Windows take 
 a different view about what constitutes a click as a combination of up 
 and down events, rather than being a bug in anything. Having said that, 
 the Java treatment is exceedingly unhelpful. It's not JOSM, though we 
 could work around it in JOSM.

I have noticed that when using OpenJUMP (Java GIS program) with Windows touch
sceen tablet-PC that digitising goes fine with stylus but toggling visibility of
layers by clicking a check box is almost impossible. Inspired by your remark on
up and down events I made a test. It appeared that when drawing with the
digitising tools the point is placed where I click the left button and it does
not matter where I release the button.  When I click the check box click and
release must happen in the same place.

Perhaps JOSM could be made to behave like OpenJUMP so that only the click down
counts when drawing new features. I do not believe that in that mode there is
any functionality programmed for click-and-drag.

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[OSM-talk] The links for OffMaps and GaiaGPS were wrong in the wiki !

2010-01-25 Per discussione Jean-Guilhem Cailton
The links for OffMaps and GaiaGPS were wrong in the wiki !

How can that be ?

Don't they know that there are people leaving in a hurry for Haiti, with 
many other worries than running after a broken link ?

I cannot believe that someone editing such essential links would not 
check them at least once !?

No wonder people complain that the apps are hard to load...

Also, I vote for this smallest and most important section of the page to 
be moved to the top.

(Going to see whether I can find out how this works. Feel free to give a 
hand if you are around.)

Jean-Guilhem

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Re: [OSM-talk] Using digital tablet for drawing maps

2010-01-25 Per discussione Igor Brejc
Cool, good to know.

Igor

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote:

 Funny you speak about that...

 I recently found back my ages old Wacom Tablet and tried it with
 Merkaartor.
 Looks like Qt has some kind of builtin supoort for tablets (or was it
 Windows 7?) but it worked out-of-the-box (in tablet mode, not mouse
 emulation).

 That made me add a hand grabbing icon to Merkaartor, just for niceness ;-)

 - Chris -

 On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:29, Igor Brejc igor.br...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 I'm thinking about buying a digital tablet and use it for drawing maps in
 JOSM/Potlatch/... Has anyone had any experience with digital tablets and GIS
 work (or even better - OSM work). I'm considering buying something cheap,
 like Wacom Bamboo (link is below), but I don't know if it is really usable
 for this kind of work (compared to a mouse). I find the mouse to be too
 sensitive and difficult to pinpoint on something (unless I reconfigure it
 for mapping work each time, which is tedious).

 Thanks in advance,
 Igor Brejc


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[OSM-talk] Fwd: Haiti Field requirement: Haiti OSM maps in PDF

2010-01-25 Per discussione Andy Gates
Just picking up on this, the chatter I've heard suggests that it would be
*very* helpful to overlay printed maps with the NATO MGRS grid.

(MapOSMatic generates its own arbitrary grid: pretty, but not as useful in
this situation.)

@spara came up with this tidy lat/long and MGRS location finder, so the
code is out there: http://haiti.crisiscommons.org/location/

Has anyone got further with a clean printable style?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Haiti Field requirement: Haiti OSM maps in PDF

2010-01-25 Per discussione Brad Neuhauser
In case you haven't seen these, the folks at Delta State University
have been making PDFs with the MGRS grid of much of the main
earthquake zone (and using some OSM data)--see them here:
http://edcftp.cr.usgs.gov/pub/data/disaster/201001_Earthquake_Haiti/data/map_products/MISSISSIPPI_DELTA_STATE_MAPS/
 (esp. see the Haiti_6Kscale_8511A4size_Geopdfimage_Atlas_vDSU20100123
series)

They've been using ESRI products to produce the maps, but it would
probably be worthwhile to talk to them if you want to do something
similar.  The Director there is Talbot Brooks. tbro...@deltastate.edu

Brad

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Andy Gates an...@ravenfamily.org wrote:
 Just picking up on this, the chatter I've heard suggests that it would be
 *very* helpful to overlay printed maps with the NATO MGRS grid.

 (MapOSMatic generates its own arbitrary grid: pretty, but not as useful in
 this situation.)

 @spara came up with this tidy lat/long and MGRS location finder, so the
 code is out there: http://haiti.crisiscommons.org/location/

 Has anyone got further with a clean printable style?

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[OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names

2010-01-25 Per discussione Adrian Brain
Wiki page

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Street_names

contains a section called USGS map areas with street names which contains a 
list of pdf's with osm data overlain on USGS imagery with streetnames missing 
from osm at the time of preparation highlighted - these need adding to osm.

There is nothing to indicate in the wiki which, if any, of these have been 
looked at systematically. Checking several at random has not told me which have 
been done and which haven't, except for the last page which has the No named 
streets in this section comment.

Can anyone say which of these has been done?

Adrian.



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Re: [OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names

2010-01-25 Per discussione Karl Guggisberg

Hi Adrian

I also had a look at these maps and I still don't understand completely 
how they relate to OSM. The map already displays the OSMs road network, 
but where do the street names in the USGS map come from? They aren't 
taken from OSM, are they? Are there indeed two road networks in the USGS 
map, one in maroon (from OSM) and one from an unknown source (in black)?


For my taste, navigation in the PDF atlas is too complicated (for 
mappers, people in the field may find it useful) and comparing the 
street names manually with names displayed on a slippymap in another 
instance is way too complicated too. Are the  USGS maps available as 
tiles served by a WMS server?


Regards
Karl

Am 25.01.2010 18:13, schrieb Adrian Brain:

Wiki page

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Street_names

contains a section called USGS map areas with street names which 
contains a list of pdf's with osm data overlain on USGS imagery with 
streetnames missing from osm at the time of preparation highlighted - 
these need adding to osm.


There is nothing to indicate in the wiki which, if any, of these have 
been looked at systematically. Checking several at random has not told 
me which have been done and which haven't, except for the last page 
which has the No named streets in this section comment.


Can anyone say which of these has been done?

Adrian.



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Re: [OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names

2010-01-25 Per discussione Adrian Brain
Hi Karl,

I had trouble understanding what these were too. The pdf's are from Delta State 
University  (here) and represent the difference between the road names on the 
USGS maps and the road names on osm.

Names present on the USGS maps but NOT in osm are highlighted in black.

That is very useful, but there are roughly ninety docs with twenty (image) 
pages in each giving 1800 separate comparisons to be made. Also, updates will 
have been made to osm, from other sources, since the extract. So if a name is 
in black in the pdf but now present in osm that still does not indicate whether 
that area has been done or not.

(And that doesn't include the work of actually putting names into osm when they 
are found)

As each pdf is done it needs to be commented as such.

I'm happy to start on the job but want to wait for some time in case anyone has 
already done some of the work. We can't afford to do such large amounts of work 
twice if we can avoid it. It would make sense to work outwards from PaP but it 
is the towns where the comparison is most laborious/time-consuming.

Regards,
Adrian.






--- On Mon, 25/1/10, Karl Guggisberg karl.guggisb...@guggis.ch wrote:

From: Karl Guggisberg karl.guggisb...@guggis.ch
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Date: Monday, 25 January, 2010, 17:34




  
Hi Adrian



I also had a look at these maps and I still don't understand completely
how they relate to OSM. The map already displays the OSMs road network,
but where do the street names in the USGS map come from? They aren't
taken from OSM, are they? Are there indeed two road networks in the
USGS map, one in maroon (from OSM) and one from an unknown source (in
black)?



For my taste, navigation in the PDF atlas is too complicated (for
mappers, people in the field may find it useful) and comparing the
street names manually with names displayed on a slippymap in another
instance is way too complicated too. Are the  USGS maps available as
tiles served by a WMS server?



Regards

Karl 



Am 25.01.2010 18:13, schrieb Adrian Brain:

  

  
Wiki page



http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Street_names



contains a section called USGS map areas with street names which
contains a list of pdf's with osm data overlain on USGS imagery with
streetnames missing from osm at the time of preparation highlighted -
these need adding to osm.



There is nothing to indicate in the wiki which, if any, of these have
been looked at systematically. Checking several at random has not told
me which have been done and which haven't, except for the last page
which has the No named streets in this section comment.



Can anyone say which of these has been done?



Adrian.


  

  
  

  
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Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicated Refugee Camps

2010-01-25 Per discussione Margie Roswell
This is a great offer (to be able to make potlatch more efficient for
Haiti mapping)

Can the group come to a consensus that it'll be helpful to have the
following codes added to potlatch

Refugee=Yes
Source=Google, 2010-01-7
Source=WorldBank, 2010-01-22

Are there other source codes that people are using frequently, that we
might like to request be added to potlatch?

Here's the wiki page for a reference:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Imagery_and_data_sources#WorldBank_Imagery

Around 6pm EST, I'll start a potlatch ticket (request) based on feedback.

Best Regards,

Margie



On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:

 Margie Roswell wrote:
 Is there a way to put Refugee=Yes and Source=Google,
 2010-01-17 as values in the backend?

 If you guys can come to a consensus as to what tags you'd like to have
 added, then let me know (ideally by starting a ticket at
 http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ with potlatch (flash editor) as the
 component, and a subject line including Haiti)... then I'm more than happy
 to add them to Potlatch.

 cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicated Refugee Camps

2010-01-25 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst

Margie Roswell wrote:
 Are there other source codes that people are using frequently, 
 that we might like to request be added to potlatch?

On the specific issue of source= tags, Potlatch best practice is that you
select the imagery you want from the popup menu, then use the B (for
'background') keypress to automatically tag the selected way/node with the
appropriate value. That way, everyone mapping from that imagery uses the
same value.

Ævar's already asked for feedback on what imagery should be available in the
popup menu, so do let him know.

But yes, do let me know what other tags you'd like to see.

cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicated Refugee Camps

2010-01-25 Per discussione Adrian Brain
Add one vote for this from me.

I think I read somewhere that the World Bank imagery effort was going to be 
spread over several days so would it be possible/sensible/advisable to make the 
automated tag read Source=WorldBank, 2010-01-22/31 or something like it?

(ps note the typo below for Google, it should read 2010-01-17, seventeenth not 
seventh.)

(btw, I was not aware of the 'B' key for the source of the background - good to 
know now)

Regards,
Adrian.



--- On Mon, 25/1/10, Margie Roswell mrosw...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Margie Roswell mrosw...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicated Refugee Camps
To: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net, crisismapp...@googlegroups.com
Cc: OSM-talk talk@openstreetmap.org
Date: Monday, 25 January, 2010, 19:18

This is a great offer (to be able to make potlatch more efficient for
Haiti mapping)

Can the group come to a consensus that it'll be helpful to have the
following codes added to potlatch

Refugee=Yes
Source=Google, 2010-01-7
Source=WorldBank, 2010-01-22

Are there other source codes that people are using frequently, that we
might like to request be added to potlatch?

Here's the wiki page for a reference:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Imagery_and_data_sources#WorldBank_Imagery

Around 6pm EST, I'll start a potlatch ticket (request) based on feedback.

Best Regards,

Margie



On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:

 Margie Roswell wrote:
 Is there a way to put Refugee=Yes and Source=Google,
 2010-01-17 as values in the backend?

 If you guys can come to a consensus as to what tags you'd like to have
 added, then let me know (ideally by starting a ticket at
 http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ with potlatch (flash editor) as the
 component, and a subject line including Haiti)... then I'm more than happy
 to add them to Potlatch.

 cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicated Refugee Camps

2010-01-25 Per discussione Margie Roswell
I'm sure refugee=yes is going to be helpful!

I think in the documentation it says S, which is why that never worked for me.
(That's from memory...)

Ah, here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Potlatch-cheatsheet.svg

Can someone correct that?
(Change S to B)

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:

 Margie Roswell wrote:
 Are there other source codes that people are using frequently,
 that we might like to request be added to potlatch?

 On the specific issue of source= tags, Potlatch best practice is that you
 select the imagery you want from the popup menu, then use the B (for
 'background') keypress to automatically tag the selected way/node with the
 appropriate value. That way, everyone mapping from that imagery uses the
 same value.

 Ævar's already asked for feedback on what imagery should be available in the
 popup menu, so do let him know.

 But yes, do let me know what other tags you'd like to see.

 cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] haiti: use osm-matrix

2010-01-25 Per discussione Jan Tappenbeck
Am 25.01.2010 13:09, schrieb Simone Cortesi:
 On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:05, Jan Tappenbecko...@tappenbeck.net  wrote:
 so use http://projekte.eiops.de/osm-matrix/ !

 regards Jan :-)

 is the source code for this now available somewhere?

Dear Simone,

i modifiy the programm less and had to test - it is a perl-tool.

how fast did you need it - haiti exists !!!

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Re: [OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names

2010-01-25 Per discussione Brad Neuhauser
Is the whole thing on the wiki just wrong?  I haven't looked extensively,
but the street names appear to match up.  This would make sense as the map
says Street data courtesy openstreetmap.org  If there were any other data,
it would probably be from MINUSTAH, but that's already mentioned on the OSM
Street Names page.  Has anyone seen a specific example of where the USGS
maps have more street data than OSM?

Brad

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Adrian Brain adrianpbr...@yahoo.co.ukwrote:

 Hi Karl,

 I had trouble understanding what these were too. The pdf's are from Delta
 State University  
 (herehttp://edcftp.cr.usgs.gov/pub/data/disaster/201001_Earthquake_Haiti/data/map_products/MISSISSIPPI_DELTA_STATE_MAPS/Haiti_25Kand6Kcombo_lettersize_GeopdfimageAtlas_vDSU20100119/)
 and represent the difference between the road names on the USGS maps and the
 road names on osm.

 Names present on the USGS maps but NOT in osm are highlighted in black.

 That is very useful, but there are roughly ninety docs with twenty (image)
 pages in each giving 1800 separate comparisons to be made. Also, updates
 will have been made to osm, from other sources, since the extract. So if a
 name is in black in the pdf but now present in osm that still does not
 indicate whether that area has been done or not.

 (And that doesn't include the work of actually putting names into osm when
 they are found)

 As each pdf is done it needs to be commented as such.

 I'm happy to start on the job but want to wait for some time in case anyone
 has already done some of the work. We can't afford to do such large amounts
 of work twice if we can avoid it. It would make sense to work outwards from
 PaP but it is the towns where the comparison is most
 laborious/time-consuming.

 Regards,
 Adrian.






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 From: Karl Guggisberg karl.guggisb...@guggis.ch
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names
 To: talk@openstreetmap.org
 Date: Monday, 25 January, 2010, 17:34


 Hi Adrian

 I also had a look at these maps and I still don't understand completely how
 they relate to OSM. The map already displays the OSMs road network, but
 where do the street names in the USGS map come from? They aren't taken from
 OSM, are they? Are there indeed two road networks in the USGS map, one in
 maroon (from OSM) and one from an unknown source (in black)?

 For my taste, navigation in the PDF atlas is too complicated (for mappers,
 people in the field may find it useful) and comparing the street names
 manually with names displayed on a slippymap in another instance is way too
 complicated too. Are the  USGS maps available as tiles served by a WMS
 server?

 Regards
 Karl

 Am 25.01.2010 18:13, schrieb Adrian Brain:

   Wiki page

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Street_names

 contains a section called USGS map areas with street names which contains
 a list of pdf's with osm data overlain on USGS imagery with streetnames
 missing from osm at the time of preparation highlighted - these need adding
 to osm.

 There is nothing to indicate in the wiki which, if any, of these have been
 looked at systematically. Checking several at random has not told me which
 have been done and which haven't, except for the last page which has the No
 named streets in this section comment.

 Can anyone say which of these has been done?

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[OSM-talk] Keeping the Haiti Camps Up to Date

2010-01-25 Per discussione Kate Chapman
Hey All,

We are doing great on moving from points to polygons with all the
refugee campsites.

We now have awesome 8cm imagery available from the 22nd.  Was the
google doc I made helpful?  Would you like something else?   I could
add more links with other imagery.  I know reloading the flash is
annoying but I figured it was better than having to zoom around to
find a camp. I could do an export of the camps to OSM files for
Potlatch users if that is helpful.

Thoughts?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicated Refugee Camps

2010-01-25 Per discussione Margie Roswell
Jean-Guilhem, thanks for forwarding my note... I have a weird Kinesis
keyboard, so I don't know if my copy/paste-in-JOSM problem is Kinesis
specific, or not.

Anyone else use JOSM on a mac? If so, are you able to copy and paste
in the WMS setup?

By the way, I'd love a session on Saturday at DC CrisisCamp (is anyone
from here going to be there?) on JOSM. (Andrew gave me a good start,
but could use a bit more.)

My note on EventBrite said I'd be there in the afternoon, but looks
like morning is now my only option.

If we could schedule a 10 am JOSM tutorial in DC, I'll do my best to be there!


Best,

Margie



On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton (Arkemie)
arke...@free.fr wrote:
 Let's try to call for a little homegrown OSM_Emergency here :

 Gentlemen JOSM developers, would you be so kind to get copy and paste
 working in JOSM on Margie's Mac, please ? :)

 Yeah, try to figure out how the sticky map works. Once you do, it's a snap
 to get anywhere.

 Jean-Guilhem, same here

 Margie Roswell a écrit :

 I tried... was doing battle finding where the heck the worldbank areas were.

 Need probably a 5 minute tutorial...


 Anyhow, will switch, once I can get it to work.

 I installed the validator and wms plugins, but just don't know my way
 around there yet.

 Ah: big barrier: copy and paste doesn't work on my mac in JOSM, for
 some reason. So, entering the WMS urls is a bear!!!


 Anyhow, not a bad thing to get a refugee tag in there, since it's being
 used.

 Margie, ever-learning!


 On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com
 wrote:


 Hi Margie,

 You still haven't switched to JOSM ? :(

 Jean-Guilhem :)

 (You are going to know Potlach's insides-outs so well you'll never want to
 change again, to throw it away and start from scratch. ;)
 Well, it's your own investments of course)

 Margie Roswell a écrit :

 I'm sure refugee=yes is going to be helpful!

 I think in the documentation it says S, which is why that never worked for
 me.
 (That's from memory...)

 Ah, here:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Potlatch-cheatsheet.svg

 Can someone correct that?
 (Change S to B)

 On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net
 wrote:


 Margie Roswell wrote:


 Are there other source codes that people are using frequently,
 that we might like to request be added to potlatch?


 On the specific issue of source= tags, Potlatch best practice is that you
 select the imagery you want from the popup menu, then use the B (for
 'background') keypress to automatically tag the selected way/node with the
 appropriate value. That way, everyone mapping from that imagery uses the
 same value.

 Ævar's already asked for feedback on what imagery should be available in the
 popup menu, so do let him know.

 But yes, do let me know what other tags you'd like to see.

 cheers
 Richard
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Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicated Refugee Camps

2010-01-25 Per discussione Jean-Guilhem Cailton

Let's try to call for a little homegrown OSM_Emergency here :

Gentlemen JOSM developers, would you be so kind to get copy and paste 
working in JOSM on Margie's Mac, please ? :)


Yeah, try to figure out how the sticky map works. Once you do, it's a 
snap to get anywhere.


Jean-Guilhem, same here


Margie Roswell a écrit :

I tried... was doing battle finding where the heck the worldbank areas were.

Need probably a 5 minute tutorial...


Anyhow, will switch, once I can get it to work.

I installed the validator and wms plugins, but just don't know my way
around there yet.

Ah: big barrier: copy and paste doesn't work on my mac in JOSM, for
some reason. So, entering the WMS urls is a bear!!!


Anyhow, not a bad thing to get a refugee tag in there, since it's being used.

Margie, ever-learning!


On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com wrote:
  

Hi Margie,

You still haven't switched to JOSM ? :(

Jean-Guilhem :)

(You are going to know Potlach's insides-outs so well you'll never want to
change again, to throw it away and start from scratch. ;)
Well, it's your own investments of course)

Margie Roswell a écrit :

I'm sure refugee=yes is going to be helpful!

I think in the documentation it says S, which is why that never worked for
me.
(That's from memory...)

Ah, here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Potlatch-cheatsheet.svg

Can someone correct that?
(Change S to B)

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net
wrote:


Margie Roswell wrote:


Are there other source codes that people are using frequently,
that we might like to request be added to potlatch?


On the specific issue of source= tags, Potlatch best practice is that you
select the imagery you want from the popup menu, then use the B (for
'background') keypress to automatically tag the selected way/node with the
appropriate value. That way, everyone mapping from that imagery uses the
same value.

Ævar's already asked for feedback on what imagery should be available in the
popup menu, so do let him know.

But yes, do let me know what other tags you'd like to see.

cheers
Richard
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Re: [OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names

2010-01-25 Per discussione Karl Guggisberg
I wrote (guessed) part of what is on the wiki because there was just 
this list of PDF documents and no furthern info. I'm looking for 
confirmations/corrections from people who are actually involved in 
producing these maps. Discussion was to  complete OSM data from the USGS 
maps but the way it looks now it doesn't make a lot of senset to me. And 
no, I didn't find any name I could have completed when I had a closer 
look at three samples areas.


Should we simply remove the whole section from the wiki?

-- Karl

Am 25.01.2010 21:31, schrieb Brad Neuhauser:
Is the whole thing on the wiki just wrong?  I haven't looked 
extensively, but the street names appear to match up.  This would make 
sense as the map says Street data courtesy openstreetmap.org 
http://openstreetmap.org  If there were any other data, it would 
probably be from MINUSTAH, but that's already mentioned on the OSM 
Street Names page.  Has anyone seen a specific example of where the 
USGS maps have more street data than OSM?


Brad

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Adrian Brain 
adrianpbr...@yahoo.co.uk mailto:adrianpbr...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:


Hi Karl,

I had trouble understanding what these were too. The pdf's are
from Delta State University  (here

http://edcftp.cr.usgs.gov/pub/data/disaster/201001_Earthquake_Haiti/data/map_products/MISSISSIPPI_DELTA_STATE_MAPS/Haiti_25Kand6Kcombo_lettersize_GeopdfimageAtlas_vDSU20100119/)
and represent the difference between the road names on the USGS
maps and the road names on osm.

Names present on the USGS maps but NOT in osm are highlighted in
black.

That is very useful, but there are roughly ninety docs with twenty
(image) pages in each giving 1800 separate comparisons to be made.
Also, updates will have been made to osm, from other sources,
since the extract. So if a name is in black in the pdf but now
present in osm that still does not indicate whether that area has
been done or not.

(And that doesn't include the work of actually putting names into
osm when they are found)

As each pdf is done it needs to be commented as such.

I'm happy to start on the job but want to wait for some time in
case anyone has already done some of the work. We can't afford to
do such large amounts of work twice if we can avoid it. It would
make sense to work outwards from PaP but it is the towns where the
comparison is most laborious/time-consuming.

Regards,
Adrian.






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mailto:karl.guggisb...@guggis.ch/* wrote:


From: Karl Guggisberg karl.guggisb...@guggis.ch
mailto:karl.guggisb...@guggis.ch
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names
To: talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org
Date: Monday, 25 January, 2010, 17:34


Hi Adrian

I also had a look at these maps and I still don't understand
completely how they relate to OSM. The map already displays
the OSMs road network, but where do the street names in the
USGS map come from? They aren't taken from OSM, are they? Are
there indeed two road networks in the USGS map, one in maroon
(from OSM) and one from an unknown source (in black)?

For my taste, navigation in the PDF atlas is too complicated
(for mappers, people in the field may find it useful) and
comparing the street names manually with names displayed on a
slippymap in another instance is way too complicated too. Are
the  USGS maps available as tiles served by a WMS server?

Regards
Karl

Am 25.01.2010 18:13, schrieb Adrian Brain:

Wiki page

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Street_names

contains a section called USGS map areas with street names
which contains a list of pdf's with osm data overlain on USGS
imagery with streetnames missing from osm at the time of
preparation highlighted - these need adding to osm.

There is nothing to indicate in the wiki which, if any, of
these have been looked at systematically. Checking several at
random has not told me which have been done and which
haven't, except for the last page which has the No named
streets in this section comment.

Can anyone say which of these has been done?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Keeping the Haiti Camps Up to Date

2010-01-25 Per discussione Margie Roswell
I did a slew of those points-to-polygons, yay! :)

The Google Doc with the links (I'm guessing you're referring to the
point-to-polygon spreadsheet?) was very helpful.

What do you mean by something else?

Bring it on!

Best Regards,

Margie


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 Hey All,

 We are doing great on moving from points to polygons with all the
 refugee campsites.

 We now have awesome 8cm imagery available from the 22nd.  Was the
 google doc I made helpful?  Would you like something else?   I could
 add more links with other imagery.  I know reloading the flash is
 annoying but I figured it was better than having to zoom around to
 find a camp. I could do an export of the camps to OSM files for
 Potlatch users if that is helpful.

 Thoughts?

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Re: [OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names

2010-01-25 Per discussione Brad Neuhauser
OK, I went back and found the message referenced on the wiki:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-January/047477.html

J-G forwarded a message that included a link to the USGS maps.  The message
was in response to someone looking for an updated street index, and it spun
off from there.  If we need further confirmation, user osmapb1--oh, that's
Adrian--has gone and checked 9 areas and found no differences.  So, yes, I'd
recommend removing it.  Plenty of other things to work on!  (if noone else
does it in the next hour or two, I'll do when I have another chance).

Brad

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Karl Guggisberg
karl.guggisb...@guggis.chwrote:

  I wrote (guessed) part of what is on the wiki because there was just this
 list of PDF documents and no furthern info. I'm looking for
 confirmations/corrections from people who are actually involved in producing
 these maps. Discussion was to  complete OSM data from the USGS maps but the
 way it looks now it doesn't make a lot of senset to me. And no, I didn't
 find any name I could have completed when I had a closer look at three
 samples areas.

 Should we simply remove the whole section from the wiki?

 -- Karl

 Am 25.01.2010 21:31, schrieb Brad Neuhauser:

 Is the whole thing on the wiki just wrong?  I haven't looked extensively,
 but the street names appear to match up.  This would make sense as the map
 says Street data courtesy openstreetmap.org  If there were any other
 data, it would probably be from MINUSTAH, but that's already mentioned on
 the OSM Street Names page.  Has anyone seen a specific example of where the
 USGS maps have more street data than OSM?

  Brad

 On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Adrian Brain 
 adrianpbr...@yahoo.co.ukwrote:

   Hi Karl,

 I had trouble understanding what these were too. The pdf's are from Delta
 State University  
 (herehttp://edcftp.cr.usgs.gov/pub/data/disaster/201001_Earthquake_Haiti/data/map_products/MISSISSIPPI_DELTA_STATE_MAPS/Haiti_25Kand6Kcombo_lettersize_GeopdfimageAtlas_vDSU20100119/)
 and represent the difference between the road names on the USGS maps and the
 road names on osm.

 Names present on the USGS maps but NOT in osm are highlighted in black.

 That is very useful, but there are roughly ninety docs with twenty (image)
 pages in each giving 1800 separate comparisons to be made. Also, updates
 will have been made to osm, from other sources, since the extract. So if a
 name is in black in the pdf but now present in osm that still does not
 indicate whether that area has been done or not.

 (And that doesn't include the work of actually putting names into osm when
 they are found)

 As each pdf is done it needs to be commented as such.

 I'm happy to start on the job but want to wait for some time in case
 anyone has already done some of the work. We can't afford to do such large
 amounts of work twice if we can avoid it. It would make sense to work
 outwards from PaP but it is the towns where the comparison is most
 laborious/time-consuming.

 Regards,
 Adrian.






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 From: Karl Guggisberg karl.guggisb...@guggis.ch
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] USGS map areas with street names
 To: talk@openstreetmap.org
 Date: Monday, 25 January, 2010, 17:34


  Hi Adrian

 I also had a look at these maps and I still don't understand completely
 how they relate to OSM. The map already displays the OSMs road network, but
 where do the street names in the USGS map come from? They aren't taken from
 OSM, are they? Are there indeed two road networks in the USGS map, one in
 maroon (from OSM) and one from an unknown source (in black)?

 For my taste, navigation in the PDF atlas is too complicated (for mappers,
 people in the field may find it useful) and comparing the street names
 manually with names displayed on a slippymap in another instance is way too
 complicated too. Are the  USGS maps available as tiles served by a WMS
 server?

 Regards
 Karl

 Am 25.01.2010 18:13, schrieb Adrian Brain:

   Wiki page

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Street_names

 contains a section called USGS map areas with street names which
 contains a list of pdf's with osm data overlain on USGS imagery with
 streetnames missing from osm at the time of preparation highlighted - these
 need adding to osm.

 There is nothing to indicate in the wiki which, if any, of these have been
 looked at systematically. Checking several at random has not told me which
 have been done and which haven't, except for the last page which has the No
 named streets in this section comment.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Keeping the Haiti Camps Up to Date

2010-01-25 Per discussione Kate Chapman
Margie,

Not sure what something else means.  I could make a GPX file which
can be loaded in Potlatch. The one thing with the direct link from the
Google Doc is the item you are editing in the center of the window.

The newest imagery covers a larger area so it might be okay just to do
another google doc with the centers of the camps.  Then people could
go to each camp and verify it or update it.  (editing tags wouldn't be
an issue really because you would be modifying a record rather than
having a new one)

-Kate

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 I did a slew of those points-to-polygons, yay! :)

 The Google Doc with the links (I'm guessing you're referring to the
 point-to-polygon spreadsheet?) was very helpful.

 What do you mean by something else?

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[OSM-talk] [Fwd: [CrisisMappers] World Bank, GFDRR, RIT, ImageCAT Remote Sensing Mission to Haiti ‐ Status Report ‐ 24 January 2010]

2010-01-25 Per discussione Jean-Guilhem Cailton



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Mission to Haiti ‐ Status Report ‐ 24 January 2010

Date :  Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:24:14 -0500
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*World Bank, GFDRR, RIT, ImageCAT Remote Sensing Mission to Haiti ‐ 
Status Report ‐ 24 January 2010 *


Another excellent day of imaging for the RIT sensor system. We completed 
about half of the Leogane target area.


Figure illustrates the coverage of today's mission shaded in green. We 
will proceed to the fault area and collect as much as possible of those 
flight lines tomorrow (1/25).




*Future Flight Plans*
Tomorrow we will focus on the fault line for the USGS (red area). This 
collect will be optimized for very high resolution LiDAR (5 pts/m2) 
which means operating at an altitude of about 6,500 ft. This will result 
in a color camera resolution 30 cm or larger. However, there is little 
in the way of populated areas along the fault itself.


It will take 1 more day of flying to complete the Leogane area. In 
addition, we are looking at plans to possibly collect additional sites 
around Jacmel, Petit Goave, Fermate, and Kenscoff. This will require one 
additional day of flying. We are also considering plans for basing in 
the Dominican Republic to increase our daily collection efficiency. 
Basing in the Dominican Republic will preclude daily upload of collected 
data, but result in much more collection per day.


*Data publishing*
We are trying to disseminate the data as quickly as possible and are 
enormously grateful to everyone who is helping with this. Patience is 
still needed though. Currently we are trying to get it out through: 
Google, Yahoo!, Microsoft, USGS, ERDAS, Virtual Disaster Viewer (VDV) at 
University at Buffalo, UN-SPIDER (hosted at RIT) and the very impressive 
http://hypercube.telascience.org ttp://hypercube.telascience.org%22 site.


The data can be easily viewed at: http://smal.in/haitirit_data 
ttp://smal.in/haitirit_data%22


Instructions:
- Expand the Hi Res Aerials Image tab on the left
- Check or un-check the three aerial imagery choices under this tab - 
RIT's data are displayed as Worldbank
- Scroll around the data by grabbing the imagery (left-mouse click) 
and dragging the mouse around while keep the left mouse button pressed.

- Zoom in and out using the mouse wheel.
- You can view the various type of collects by switching the check boxes 
on the left


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[talk-au] Planning Mapping Party in Canberra - Haiti Edition

2010-01-25 Per discussione Shoaib Burq
Hi All,

I am currently considering a charity mapping party and need some ideas from
the oz community. Last mapping party I held in Canberra 20 odd people turned
up. I think the interest in OSM is growing.

So I am considering organizing a mapping party next month where GIS
professionals who actually want to learn about OSM for use at work to pay a
token sum of $2 which gets donated to Red Cross for Haiti. Believe me there
are a lot of ArcGIS ppl here in Canberra who are seriously considering using
OSM for work.

I want your thoughts on the idea. Any gaping holes, objections? I also want
to know if we have any jointly held (as in the trusted osm community) paypal
account. If not I will have to hesitantly use my own.

I have tentatively selected Feb 20th for the party please see
http://mappingparty.eventwax.com/canberra-mapping-party-2/
Feed back welcome

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Re: [talk-au] access=destination

2010-01-25 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote:

 A Local Traffic sign is a recommendation, not a law. As such, it is
 sort of the opposite of access=designated, which is designed to show
 places we would prefer certain vehicles to go, this is designed to
 show places we would prefer them not to. We don't actually have a tag
 for this at the moment, maybe we need one.

Yeah good point. Or alternatively, for motor vehicles, the way is
designated for local traffic? Some potential tags:

* motor_vehicle:local_traffic=designated
* motor_vehicle:destination=designated
...or...
* motor_vehicle:through_traffic=not_intended

 Maybe we need to do a data extract and look at how many such tags
 exist - ie how big a problem it is.  There may be few enough that we
 can do some sort of check before we do any automated changing.

FWIW, I believe access=destination ways are rendered in OSM mapnik
with a dotted blue fill, e.g.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.46151lon=153.09406zoom=17layers=B000FTF

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[Talk-br] Tradução do JOSM

2010-01-25 Per discussione Vitor George
Pessoal,

Não lembro se havíamos discutidos sobre isso, mas vejo que estão ocorrendo
alguns conflitos na tradução de alguns termos no JOSM. Por isso, queria que
vocês me ajudassem a identificar quais são as palavras que tem mais
problemas. Abaixo estão algumas. Em negrito está o que eu prefiro traduzir.

- way: *caminho* ou via;
- changeset: *changeset* ou conjunto de modificações;
- tag: *tag* ou etiqueta.

Criei uma página no wiki para documentarmos isto:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tradução_do_JOSM_para_Português_Brasileirohttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tradu%C3%A7%C3%A3o_do_JOSM_para_Portugu%C3%AAs_Brasileiro

Abs,
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Re: [Talk-de] Omniscale OSM-WMS aktualisiert

2010-01-25 Per discussione Oliver Tonnhofer
Moin,

On 15.01.2010, at 09:30, Oliver Tonnhofer wrote:
 PS: Im aktuellen Datenbestand sind gibt es noch Probleme mit
 Multipolygon Relations (so ist z.B. der Bodensee z.Zt. trockengelegt).
 Das wird allerdings in der nächsten Woche behoben.


Die Multipolygone funktionieren nun zum größten Teil. Hier und da kann  
z.B. nochmal ein Innenhof fehlen, etc. Das freie Tagging-Format für  
Polygone ist nicht immer leicht zu verarbeiten. Nach und nach werden  
wir das aber noch verbessern.

Auch die Ways mit Straßen plus Straßenbahn werden nun dargestellt.  
Danke für die Hinweise.

Gruß
Oliver

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Re: [Talk-de] Omniscale OSM-WMS aktualisiert

2010-01-25 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hallo,

Oliver Tonnhofer wrote:
 Die Multipolygone funktionieren nun zum größten Teil. Hier und da kann  
 z.B. nochmal ein Innenhof fehlen, etc. Das freie Tagging-Format für  
 Polygone ist nicht immer leicht zu verarbeiten. Nach und nach werden  
 wir das aber noch verbessern.

Also mit Lichtungen in Waeldern klappt es noch ueberhaupt nicht, siehe 
Beispiel hier (in den inneren blauen Ringen sollte eigentlich kein Wald 
sein):

http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/omniscale_wald.png

Erzaehlt ihr mal etwas mehr darueber, wie ihr die Daten aufbereitet? 
Fuer die Multipolygone solltet ihr ungefaehr nach diesem Algorithmus 
vorgehen:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon/Algorithm

Je nachdem, was ihr genau macht, koennte es sein, dass ihr zuweilen an 
dem scheitert, was da in RG-6 beschrieben ist - wenn man die Polygone 
mit PostGIS zusammenbaut, dann mag das naemlich gar nicht, wenn zwei 
innere Ringe sich beruehren, und das kommt in OSM oefters vor.

Weil ziemlich viele Leute mit diesen Multipolygonen nicht so gut zurecht 
kommen, haben wir angefangen, einen PostGIS-Dump bereitzustellen, in 
saemtliche Flaechenobjekte, inkl. komplexer Multipolygone, fertig 
aufbereitet als Polygongeometrien drin sind:

http://download.geofabrik.de/polygon/

Update derzeit aber nur einmal die Woche. Eventuell koennt ihr das 
benutzen, oder zumindest zur Fehlersuche heranziehen. Ist allerdings 
weltweit, also muesst ihr ggf. erst noch Euren Bereich rausschneiden.

Bye
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[Talk-de] Wie sicher ist Openstreetmap vor Ausbeutung?

2010-01-25 Per discussione Jonas Stein
Jemand moechte gerne seine eigene Kartendarstellung haben, duest dafuer mit
GPS-Maus am Notebook in einem gestohlenem Google-Auto durch alle 
Strassen. Laedt fleissig bei OSM hoch und hat nach ein paar Jahren seine 
Wunschkarte erstellt.

Ein paar Tage drauf kostet der Zugriff auf den OSM-Server 10 EUR/Monat
im Abo und Daten runterladen geht nur noch in 100 kB Haeppchen.

Wie realistisch ist so ein Scenario?

Welche Abhaengigkeiten bestehen? Falls Stadtplandienst die OSM Server kauft,
koennte eine neue Gruppe den letzten Datenstand auf eigene Server hochladen
und weiter machen?

Welches Interesse haben die Betreiber und Sponsoren an dem Projekt?
Ich fand dazu bislang noch keine Antwort, auch bei der letzten 
Mapping-Party war das den Teilnehmern nicht ganz klar.

Herzliche Gruesse, 
und frohes mappen,

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Re: [Talk-de] Wie sicher ist Openstreetmap vor Ausbeutung?

2010-01-25 Per discussione Roland Ramthun
Am Montag, den 25.01.2010, 13:53 +0100 schrieb Jonas Stein:

 Welche Abhaengigkeiten bestehen? 

Welcher Form?
Die Frage ist ungenau.

OSM hängt nicht klassisch von einer Firma o.ä. ab, sondern wird von dem
englischen Äquivalent eines e.V. verwaltet.

 Falls Stadtplandienst die OSM Server kauft,

Man kann keine Server kaufen.
OSM wird verwaltet von der OSM-Foundation, die die Server betreibt.

Man könnte versuchen die OSM Foundation zu übernehmen.
Dagegen kann man sich wehren, indem man der Foundation als Mitglied
beitritt und damit Stimmrechte erwirbt.

 koennte eine neue Gruppe den letzten Datenstand auf eigene Server 
 hochladen und weiter machen?

Ja.

Grüße
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Re: [Talk-de] Wie sicher ist Openstreetmap vor Ausbeutung?

2010-01-25 Per discussione qbert biker

 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:53:18 +0100
 Von: Jonas Stein n...@jonasstein.de
 An: talk-de@openstreetmap.org
 Betreff: [Talk-de] Wie sicher ist Openstreetmap vor Ausbeutung?


 Welche Abhaengigkeiten bestehen? Falls Stadtplandienst die OSM Server
 kauft,
 koennte eine neue Gruppe den letzten Datenstand auf eigene Server
 hochladen
 und weiter machen?

Soweit es das Worldfile betrifft, ist die Sache einfach zu 
beantworten. Alle Daten, die da drin sind, koennen fuer
einen Neustart auf einem beliebigen Server an beliebigen Ort
verwendet werden.

Spannender wirds bei den ganzen Changeset-Sachen, die immer
wichtiger werden. Das wuerde mich auch interessieren, 
inwieweit da Daten verlorengehen, wenn alle DB-Server mit
allen Backups verloren gehen wuerden. 
 
 Welches Interesse haben die Betreiber und Sponsoren an dem Projekt?
 Ich fand dazu bislang noch keine Antwort, auch bei der letzten 
 Mapping-Party war das den Teilnehmern nicht ganz klar.

Bei Geofabrik und Cloudmade sollte das Interesse klar sein.
Wenn die ein Geschaeftsmodell haben, muesste die Antwort
da drin stehen. Denke mal, die ziehen Projekte rund um 
OSM-Daten an Land mit denen sie die Loehne der Mitarbeiter 
bezahlen.

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Re: [Talk-de] Wie sicher ist Openstreetmap vor Ausbeutung?

2010-01-25 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hallo,

Jonas Stein wrote:
 Ein paar Tage drauf kostet der Zugriff auf den OSM-Server 10 EUR/Monat
 im Abo und Daten runterladen geht nur noch in 100 kB Haeppchen.
 
 Wie realistisch ist so ein Scenario?

Das mit den 100kb-Haeppchen kann natuerlich bei einer 
Server-Ueberlastung immer passieren, und grundsaetzlich *koennten* die 
derzeitigen Serverbetreiber auch Geld fuer den Zugriff verlangen (das 
waere ziemlich bloedsinnig, und niemand hat es vor, aber gehen taete es 
schon).

Allerdings kann jeder, jederzeit, einen kompletten Datenabzug - 
neuerdings sogar mit Historie einschl. Changesets, und bald auch mit 
GPS-Tracks - vom OSM-Server runterladen und damit einen eigenen 
OSM-Server aufstellen, der keine 10 EUR/Monat kostet und bei dem man 
beliebig viel herunterladen kann.

Da kann man also relativ unbesorgt sein. Das einzige, was bei so einem 
Neustart verloren gehen wuerde, waeren GPS-Tracks von Leuten, die als 
privat hochgeladen wurden, denn diese sind eben privat und nicht fuer 
die Oeffentlichkeit bestimmt. Auch die Benutzer-Accounts mit 
Passwoertern und E-Mail-Adressen sind nicht oeffentlich, d.h. jeder 
muesste sich beim neuen System neu anmelden.

Die OSM Foundation betreibt die Server, hat die Domains 
openstreetmap.org/osm.org inne und bemueht sich u.U. um Markeneintragung 
fuer den Namen OSM. Eine feindliche Uebernahme der OSMF durch z.B. 
stadtplandienst oder so wuerde also dazu fuehren, dass unsere Daten 
alle frei bleiben und jeder damit ein neues OSM aufsetzen kann, aber der 
neue Besitzer koennte natuerlich auf die Webseite openstreetmap.org 
irgendwas schreiben wie kommt alle zu blablub.net und macht beim 
nachfolger von OSM mit und dadurch die Bekanntheit von OSM fuer eigene 
Zwecke nutzen.

Mit feindlicher Uebernahme ist hier kein Aufkaufen gemeint, das geht 
nicht, sondern man muesste massiv Mitglieder in die OSMF einschleusen 
und dadurch dann die Wahlen entsprechend beeinflussen, so dass die 
Mehrheit der Vorstandmitglieder aus dem eigenen Freundeskreis bestehen, 
dann kann man da schalten und walten wie man will.

Mit dem geplanten Lizenzwechsel aendert sich die Situation geringfuegig, 
die OSMF ist dann nicht mehr voellig egal, sondern sie kann, wenn 50% 
der aktiven Mapper zustimmen, die Lizenz veraendern (wobei es immer eine 
free and open Lizenz bleiben muss, daher haelt der potentielle Schaden 
sich in Grenzen).

Eins ist in jedem Fall 100% sicher: Das, was Du heute als Planet-File 
herunterlaedst, hast Du bis in alle Ewigkeit unter der CC-BY-SA 2.0 zur 
Verfuegung, da kann Dir niemand in die Suppe spucken.

Bye
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[Talk-de] FOSSGIS 2010 in Osnabrueck: Programm und Anmeldung

2010-01-25 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hallo,

   das Konferenzprogramm fuer die FOSSGIS 2010 steht jetzt fest.

Die Konferenz findet vom Dienstag 2.3. bis Freitag 5.3. 2010 in 
Osnabrueck statt. An den ersten beiden Tagen ist der Focus auf 
klassischem Open Source GIS, und von Donnerstag mittag bis Freitag abend 
gehoert die Buehne uns OSMern.

An den OSM-Tagen gibt es in aller Regel einen Vortrags-Track mit 
halbstuendigen Vortraegen und parallel einen Track mit Community 
Sessions statt, das sind dann Veranstaltungen mit staerkerem 
Diskussionscharakter, bei denen der Austausch in der Community im 
Vordergrund steht und nicht irgendjemand vom Pult aus doziert. (Wir 
wollten diese Veranstaltungen erst Workshops nennen, aber das haette 
ein Durcheinander gegeben, denn auf der FOSSGIS gibt es bereits 
Workshops, das sind kostenpflichtige Tutorien fuer diverse OSS-Programme.)

Hier findet ihr das komplette Programm der Konferenz:

http://www.fossgis.de/konferenz/2010/index.de.html

- die meisten Vortragenden kennt ihr vermutlich bereits aus 
Mailinglisten, Foren etc.

Hier koennt ihr euch zur Konferenz anmelden:

http://www.fossgis.de/civicrm/event/register?reset=1id=2

Die Konferenz ist grundsaetzlich kostenlos, auch die Kaffeepausen und 
ein einfaches Mittagessen gibt es fuer alle Teilnehmer gratis. Bitte 
meldet Euch aber auf jeden Fall trotzdem an, damit auch genuegend Essen 
eingekauft wird ;-)

Geld kosten lediglich die bereits erwaehnten Workshops sowie die 
Abendveranstaltungen am Dienstag und Donnerstag abend (38 bzw 36 Euro 
fuer Essen+Trinken-Flatrate). Details zu diesen Abendveranstaltungen 
hier: http://www.fossgis.de/konferenz/wiki/Main_Page.

Ich wuerde mich freuen, viele von Euch in Osnabrueck zu treffen. Ich 
selber werde von Dienstag bis Freitag die ganze Zeit da sein. Einen 
eigenen OpenStreetMap-Stand wird es diesmal nicht geben, aber irgendwo 
stellen wir einen Tisch auf und haengen ein paar coole Poster hin.

LIGHTNING TALKS
---

Wir haben 30 Minuten fuer Lightning Talks vorgesehen. Lightning Talks 
sind Minivortrage, bei denen jemand 1-2 Folien zeigt oder ganz kurz ein 
Programm oder eine Webseite demonstriert oder irgendwas erzaehlt - wenn 
jemand von Euch also irgendwas spannendes macht mit OSM, wozu er/sie 
etwas sagen will oder ein bisschen Aufmerksamkeit erregen, ist das die 
ideale Gelegenheit. Lightning Talks koennen auch noch direkt auf der 
Veranstaltung angemeldet werden (aber wer jetzt schon weiss, dass er was 
sagen will, kann das auch gleich anmelden). Ich organisiere das.

BIRDS OF A FEATHER
---

Sogenannte BoF-Sessions sind geplante oder spontane 
Arbeits-/Diskussionssitzungen kleinerer Gruppen. Wir haben dafuer Raeume 
zur Verfuegung, wer also gern sein OSM-Projekt mit anderen 
besprechen/voranbringen moechte und im offiziellen Programm dafuer 
keinen Platz sieht, der kann eine BoF veranschlagen.


Bye
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Re: [Talk-de] FOSSGIS 2010 in Osnabrueck: Programm und Anmeldung

2010-01-25 Per discussione Claudius
Am 25.01.2010 15:56, Frederik Ramm:
 Hallo,

 das Konferenzprogramm fuer die FOSSGIS 2010 steht jetzt fest.
(...)
 Hier findet ihr das komplette Programm der Konferenz:

 http://www.fossgis.de/konferenz/2010/index.de.html

Tolle Vorträge. Aber 30 Minuten für die ÖPNV-Karte... :P Wäre 
wahrscheinlich praktischer, dass direkt vor die Mittagspause zu legen, 
denn garantiert wird eine immer wieder nötige Route-Tagging-Diskussion 
angestossen werden.

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Re: [Talk-de] Omniscale OSM-WMS aktualisiert

2010-01-25 Per discussione Oliver Tonnhofer
Moin,

On 25.01.2010, at 13:10, Frederik Ramm wrote:
 Also mit Lichtungen in Waeldern klappt es noch ueberhaupt nicht, siehe
 Beispiel hier (in den inneren blauen Ringen sollte eigentlich kein  
 Wald
 sein):

Nicht generell, aber in diesem Fall schlug die Multipolygon Relation  
fehl.

 Erzaehlt ihr mal etwas mehr darueber, wie ihr die Daten aufbereitet?

Wir verarbeiten die OSM XML direkt.

 Fuer die Multipolygone solltet ihr ungefaehr nach diesem Algorithmus
 vorgehen:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon/Algorithm
[RG-6 ...]

Genau das fehlt noch. Überall wo ungültige Geometrien sind werden die  
Multipolygone z.Zt. noch übersprungen.

 Weil ziemlich viele Leute mit diesen Multipolygonen nicht so gut  
 zurecht
 kommen, haben wir angefangen, einen PostGIS-Dump bereitzustellen, in
 saemtliche Flaechenobjekte, inkl. komplexer Multipolygone, fertig
 aufbereitet als Polygongeometrien drin sind:

 http://download.geofabrik.de/polygon/


Danke für den Hinweis. Zum testen/vergleichen werde ich mir da mal  
eine Datenbank mit aufsetzten. Darf ich fragen wie der Polygon extrakt  
erstellt wurde? osm2pgsql?

Grüße
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Re: [Talk-de] interessanter Bug in Straßenlistenaus wertung

2010-01-25 Per discussione Nils Heuermann
Hallo Jonas,

wenn man auf den Link in der Liste klickt, sucht Google Maps anscheinend  
auch nach POIs/Geschäften und findet Städt. Kindergarten Europaplatz -  
Frieslandring 5, 53844 Troisdorf und fokussiert darauf (was wohl  
zufällig mit dem gewünschten Europaplatz übereinstimmt).

Bei der interaktiven Anzeige wird das über die API abgefragt, und da  
Google die Straße nicht direkt kennt, wird der Europaring in St. Augustin  
als Ergebnis vorgeschlagen. Das bekommt man unter anderem auch, wenn man  
den Link in der Liste klickt und dann das Suchformular von Google noch mal  
abschickt: Meinten Sie: Europaring, 53757 Sankt Augustin,  
Rhein-Sieg-Kreis, NRW

Liegt also weder an der Straßenlistenauswertung, noch daran, dass Google  
OSM nicht mag ;) Google kennt die Straße einfach nicht.

Viele Grüße,
Nils

Am Mon, 25 Jan 2010 01:15:53 +0100 hat Jonas Stein n...@jonasstein.de  
geschrieben:

 Wenn man auf
 http://osm.gt.owl.de/Strassenliste/Troisdorf/Status.html
 sich in dem Absatz
 Nicht in OSM
 den Europaplatz in Google Maps anzeigen laesst wird der 'richtige' nahe
 dem Rotter See gefunden.

 klickt man jedoch auf
 Interaktive Anzeige der fehlenden Straßen
 und dann
 Alle Straßen anzeigen

 erhaelt man
 ..
 [x] Europaplatz (gefunden in Sankt Augustin)
 ..

 Bemerkt Google die OSM Abfrage und liefert andere Daten, oder ist die
 Abfrage nicht optimal formuliert?



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Re: [Talk-de] Einfach Marker-URLs erstellen?

2010-01-25 Per discussione Philip Gillißen
Hallo André!

Am Freitag, den 22.01.2010, 17:57 +0100 schrieb André Reichelt:
 Gibt es sowas schon und ich kenne es nicht, oder hat sich da noch keiner
 darum gekümmert?

Ich habe genau diesen Vorschlag mal im OSM-Trac eingestellt.
Leider mit geringem Erfolg:
http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2132
Ich denke, dass so eine Funktionalität immer noch sehr sinnvoll wäre und
auch im OpenLayers Platz finden könnte.
Schade, dass so eine Idee so platt ohne Diskussion weggebügelt wurde.

Gruß, Philip


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Re: [Talk-de] Einfach Marker-URLs erstellen?

2010-01-25 Per discussione 1248


André Reichelt wrote:
 
 Gibt es sowas schon und ich kenne es nicht, oder hat sich da noch keiner
 darum gekümmert?
 

Ich kenne sowas auch nicht, aber frag doch mal den Autor von diesem [1]
Thread im Forum. Der hat eine gute Lösung zum einfachen embedden von Slippy
Maps bereitgestellt, daher sollte das für ihn relativ einfach sein, auch so
etwas zu basteln (denke ich jedenfalls).

Grüße, 
Philipp

[1] http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=15212

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Re: [Talk-de] Einfach Marker-URLs erstellen?

2010-01-25 Per discussione Bernd Wurst
Am Montag 25 Januar 2010 18:50:40 schrieb Philip Gillißen:
 Schade, dass so eine Idee so platt ohne Diskussion weggebügelt wurde.

Soweit ich mich erinnern kann, wurde da nichts weggebügelt sondern nur in der 
Art geantwortet wie: Dafür gibt es momentan keine fertige Funktion, du kannst 
es aber so ... machen.

Dass es bisher schlicht niemanden *so sehr* interessiert hat, dass es mal 
jemand einbaut, ist IMHO kein wegbügeln.

Gruß, Bernd

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Re: [Talk-de] Revert einiger Changesets

2010-01-25 Per discussione olvagor
Hallo miteinander,

olvagor schrieb:
 Kann bitte jemand folgende Changesets rückgängig machen?
 
 3661614
 3661647
 3661668
 3661749
 3661880
 3662016

in Absprache mit Amm würde ich euch (vermutlich Frederik) bitten, die
genannten Changesets zu reverten.

Ich werde dann die betroffenen Straßen mit

maxspeed=30
zone:maxspeed=DE:30

taggen.

Gruß und Danke im Voraus,
Markus

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Re: [Talk-de] Einfach Marker-URLs erstellen?

2010-01-25 Per discussione Philip Gillißen
Hallo Bernd!

Am Montag, den 25.01.2010, 19:10 +0100 schrieb Bernd Wurst:
 Soweit ich mich erinnern kann, wurde da nichts weggebügelt sondern nur in der 
 Art geantwortet wie: Dafür gibt es momentan keine fertige Funktion, du kannst 
 es aber so ... machen.
Mit so einer Antwort hatte ich gerechnet und diese wäre imho auch
angemessen gewesen.
Leider war es die Antwort à la: OSM ist nicht dafür da, also mach dir
keine Mühe.

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Re: [Talk-de] FOSSGIS 2010 in Osnabrueck: Programm und Anmeldung

2010-01-25 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hallo,

Claudius wrote:
 Tolle Vorträge. Aber 30 Minuten für die ÖPNV-Karte... :P Wäre 
 wahrscheinlich praktischer, dass direkt vor die Mittagspause zu legen, 
 denn garantiert wird eine immer wieder nötige Route-Tagging-Diskussion 
 angestossen werden.

Es gibt immer die Moeglichkeit, wenn sich nach so einem Vortrag viele 
Interessierte finden, die das weiterdiskutieren moechten, den Nahkampf 
in einem separaten Raum weiterzufuehren (BoF) - ich hoffe sogar, dass 
das ein paar mal passieren wird, denn wir wollen ja keine Konferenz, wo 
hauptsaechlich ein paar Grosskopferte reden und die andren zuhoeren, 
sondern das ganze soll ja eine Veranstaltung von der und fuer die 
Community sein.

Bye
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Re: [Talk-de] Omniscale OSM-WMS aktualisiert

2010-01-25 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hallo,

Oliver Tonnhofer wrote:
 Weil ziemlich viele Leute mit diesen Multipolygonen nicht so gut  
 zurecht
 kommen, haben wir angefangen, einen PostGIS-Dump bereitzustellen, in
 saemtliche Flaechenobjekte, inkl. komplexer Multipolygone, fertig
 aufbereitet als Polygongeometrien drin sind:

 http://download.geofabrik.de/polygon/
 
 Danke für den Hinweis. Zum testen/vergleichen werde ich mir da mal  
 eine Datenbank mit aufsetzten. Darf ich fragen wie der Polygon extrakt  
 erstellt wurde? osm2pgsql?

Ne, das ist Handarbeit mit gutem altem selbstgeschriebenen C- bzw. 
C++-Code, der den ganzen Planeten einliest, sich zu den Multipolygonen 
die Ways raussucht, und sie zu geeigneten Polygonen zusammenfuzzelt. Die 
PostGIS kommt dabei gar nicht zur Anwendung, wir benutzen PostGIS-Dump 
praktisch nur als Ausgabeformat, weil wir dachten, dass die Zielgruppe 
damit am meisten anfangen kann.

Das Programm benutzt allerdings fuer Geometrieoperationen die 
GEOS-Library, die in PostGIS ebenfalls zur Anwendung kommt.

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[Talk-de] Problem mit osmosis, Klasse nicht gefunden

2010-01-25 Per discussione Elmar Burke
Hey,

mein erster Eintrag in der Mailing-Liste... Welch ein Eindruck muss es
hinterlassen, wenn ich mit so einem Problem hier aufschlage ;-)

Es geht, wie im Betreff erwähnt, um osmosis. Dieses tolle Tool welches
im OpenStreetMap-Buch als Allzweckwaffe beschrieben wird.

Ich dachte mir, gut dann musst du nicht immer bei der Geofabrik die
NRW.osm runter laden, sondern kannst einfach aus der planet.osm
ausschneiden was ich brauche.

Nun zu meinem Problem, welches ich schon im englischen Forum gepostet
habe:

Ich bin der Anleitung im Wiki zur Installation gefolgt aber doch bekomme
ich folgende Fehlermeldung:

Exception in thread main java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
org/openstreetmap/osmosis/core/Osmosis
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException:
org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.Osmosis
at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:200)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:188)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:307)
at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:301)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:252)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(ClassLoader.java:320)
Could not find the main class: org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.Osmosis.
Program will exit.

Ich nutze Ubuntu 10.09 (auf Debian bekomme ich aber die gleiche
Fehlermeldung). Java: java version 1.6.0_15, Java(TM) SE Runtime
Environment (build 1.6.0_15-b03), Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build
14.1-b02, mixed mode, sharing)

Hoffentlich kann mir einer von euch helfen. 

Freundliche Grüße / Groetjes
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Re: [Talk-de] Problem mit osmosis, Klasse nicht gefunden

2010-01-25 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi.

Elmar Burke wrote:
 Ich bin der Anleitung im Wiki zur Installation gefolgt aber doch bekomme
 ich folgende Fehlermeldung:
 
 Exception in thread main java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
 org/openstreetmap/osmosis/core/Osmosis
 Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException:

Hast Du denn auch das bin/osmosis aufgerufen? Diese Fehlermeldung klingt 
so, als ob Du es mit java -jar osmosis.jar probiert haettest...?

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Re: [Talk-de] FOSSGIS 2010 in Osnabrueck: Programm und Anmeldung

2010-01-25 Per discussione Werner König
Am Montag, 25. Januar 2010 15:56:35 schrieb Frederik Ramm:
 
 http://www.fossgis.de/konferenz/2010/index.de.html
 
 - die meisten Vortragenden kennt ihr vermutlich bereits aus 
 Mailinglisten, Foren etc.
 
 Hier koennt ihr euch zur Konferenz anmelden:
 
 http://www.fossgis.de/civicrm/event/register?reset=1id=2
 
 Die Konferenz ist grundsaetzlich kostenlos, auch die Kaffeepausen und 
 ein einfaches Mittagessen gibt es fuer alle Teilnehmer gratis. Bitte 
 meldet Euch aber auf jeden Fall trotzdem an, damit auch genuegend Essen 
 eingekauft wird ;-)
 
 Geld kosten lediglich die bereits erwaehnten Workshops sowie die 
 Abendveranstaltungen am Dienstag und Donnerstag abend (38 bzw 36 Euro 
 fuer Essen+Trinken-Flatrate). Details zu diesen Abendveranstaltungen 
 hier: http://www.fossgis.de/konferenz/wiki/Main_Page.
 
 Ich wuerde mich freuen, viele von Euch in Osnabrueck zu treffen. Ich 
 selber werde von Dienstag bis Freitag die ganze Zeit da sein. Einen 
 eigenen OpenStreetMap-Stand wird es diesmal nicht geben, aber irgendwo 
 stellen wir einen Tisch auf und haengen ein paar coole Poster hin.
 
Tolle Veranstaltung, leider fuer mich zeitlich nicht machbar. Werden die 
Vortaege
auch irgendwo veroeffentlicht.

Besonders interessieren wuerde mich 
- Karten im Druck
- Mapnik - mehr als nur tiles
- OSM für Garmin Geräte


Gruß

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Re: [Talk-de] FOSSGIS 2010 in Osnabrueck: Programm und Anmeldung

2010-01-25 Per discussione Lars Lingner
Werner König schrieb:
[...]

 Tolle Veranstaltung, leider fuer mich zeitlich nicht machbar. Werden die 
 Vortaege
 auch irgendwo veroeffentlicht.
 

Es wird einen Tagungsband geben. Gedruckt und digital. Darin sind alle
abgegebenen Vorträge enthalten. Die Referenten stellen aber auch ihre
Folien anschließend zur Verfügung.

Eine Aufzeichnung der Veranstaltungen ist nicht geplant.


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Re: [Talk-de] Route ist discontinuous laut OSM Inspector

2010-01-25 Per discussione steffen
--- Original Nachricht ---
Absender: Jochen Topf
Datum: 21.01.2010 20:39
 On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 05:44:06PM +0100, steffen wrote:
 --- Original Nachricht ---
 Absender: Jochen Topf
 Datum: 21.01.2010 08:52
 On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:48:26PM +0100, Fips Schneider wrote:

 steffen wrote:

 Hallo,

 ich hab mal in Kornwestheim mit dem taggen von ÖPNV angefangen.
 Insbesondere der Buslinien.

 Nun sehe ich im OSM Inspector, das die Relation [1] discontinuous ist.
 Die Relation [2] aber nicht.

 Wo ist der Fehler?

 Hmm...so Probleme habe ich auch diverse. Glaube das funzt irgendwas im
 OSM-Inspector nicht?

 Teilweise (in Frankfurt/Main) werden völlig chaotische Buslinien als
 ordered klassifiziert - und machmal werden geordnete, komplette als
 discontinous gewertet

 Ich will nicht ausschließen, dass im Inspector der eine oder andere Fehler
 ist, ist schon vorgekommen. :-) Ich brauch dann aber genauere Angaben, um
 das Debuggen zu können. Am besten einen Permalink zum Inspector, der genau
 das anzeigt, um das es geht (Ort und passender Layer) und was ihr meint,
 was richtig wäre.

 Aber bitte schaut vorher genau nach, es kann auch sein, dass nur ein 
 einziger
 Way falschrum ist oder ein Node doppelt oder so. Das ist sehr schwer zu 
 sehen,
 genau dafür ist der Inspector ja da, dass er sowas erkennt.

 Im aktuellen JOSM ist übrigens ein ziemlich cooler Relations-Editor drin, in
 dem man erkennen kann, ob eine Relation durchgängig ist.

 Jochen

 Hier mal der Permalink für [1]
 http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=pubtrans_networklon=9.18403lat=48.86882zoom=14overlays=bus_lines_w,bus_lines_n,rail_lines_w,rail_lines_n,light_lines_w,light_lines_n,subway_lines_w,subway_lines_n,mono_lines_w,mono_lines_n,tram_lines_w,tram_lines_n,routes_ways,routes_nodes,railway_routes,labels_w,labels_n,networks,unordered_w,unordered_n,discontinuous

 Hier ist kein Node doppelt, aber ein Way. Dies wird auch im JOSM
 angezeigt. Der doppelte Way ist rot hinterlegt.
 Aber: Der Bus fährt halt eine Schleife.


 Und hier der Permalink für [2]
 http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=pubtrans_networklon=9.18327lat=48.87248zoom=14overlays=bus_lines_w,bus_lines_n,rail_lines_w,rail_lines_n,light_lines_w,light_lines_n,subway_lines_w,subway_lines_n,mono_lines_w,mono_lines_n,tram_lines_w,tram_lines_n,routes_ways,routes_nodes,railway_routes,labels_w,labels_n,networks,unordered_w,unordered_n,discontinuous

 Danke.

 Ich bin dem mal nachgegangen und da ist ein Fehler im Inspector. Dadurch,
 dass ein Way 2mal in der Relation ist, baut die PostgreSQL wohl die
 Route nicht richtig zusammen und denkt dann, dass das Ding discontinous
 ist. Also definitiv ein Fehler im OSMI, leider ist der aber sehr schwer
 zu fixen, weil eine ganze Menge umgestellt werden muss. :-( Ich hab mal
 ins Wiki einen Hinweis getan. Weiss noch nicht, wie wir da am besten
 weiter vorgehen.

 Jochen

Guten Abend,

ich bin es nochmal. Habe hier [1] noch ein ähnliches 
Problem. Da wird es aber nicht als discontinous angezeigt. 
Hier habe ich aber mit forward  backward gearbeitet.

Gruß Steffen

[1] 
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=pubtrans_networklon=9.17423lat=48.85408zoom=17overlays=bus_lines_w,bus_lines_n,rail_lines_w,rail_lines_n,light_lines_w,light_lines_n,subway_lines_w,subway_lines_n,mono_lines_w,mono_lines_n,tram_lines_w,tram_lines_n,routes_ways,routes_nodes,railway_routes,labels_w,labels_n,networks,unordered_w,unordered_n,discontinuous

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[Talk-de] Viele Fehler in Haiti

2010-01-25 Per discussione igadsb
Hallo alle miteinander,

mir kommt es fast so vor, als würde diese Gegend in Haiti von Neulingen als 
Spielwiese benutzt:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=18.9688lon=-72.3651zoom=12layers=B000FTF
Hier sind heute ganz viele falsche Eintragungen hinzugekommen (Trunk mit 
Tankstelle und Hotel, n komischer Kreis ohne tags, Telefonzelle mitten in der 
Pampa, usw). Ein User hatte auch Straßen und Feldwege bei La Chapelle in 
primary und motorways umgewandelt (hab ich schon wieder repariert). Ein anderer 
hat dort nen schon existierenden Fluß nochmal gezeichnet.
Diese Einträge wurden alle von 5 neuen Benutzern gemacht, die sich erst heute 
bzw. einer am Samstag angemeldet haben.
Ich nenne jetzt mal hier keine Benutzernamen, kann ja jeder selbst nachschauen.

Diese Häufung in einem Gebiet an einem Tag ist doch seltsam.

Wenn sich da jemand ständig unter neuem Benutzernamen anmelden sollte und 
Blödsinn macht, hätten wir wohl ein ziemliches Problem, zumal sich einer der 
Benutzernamen wie 'Djihad' ausspricht.
Gegen die Vandalismustheorie spricht vielleicht, dass manche Eintragungen schon 
Sinn machen (way um nen Ort, aber ohne landuse-tag)

Mir ist nun leider in den letzten Tagen schon öfter aufgefallen, dass von 
Neulingen in Haiti einiges falsch gemacht wurde, vor allem zu hoch gestufte 
Straßen (das fällt zumindest schnell auf). Doppelte und nicht verbundene Wege 
kommen vielleicht auch von der Benutzung von Potlatch (soll ja manchmal etwas 
langsam nachladen). Alle Fehler, die ich bisher entdeckt habe, wurden zumindest 
mit Potlatch gemacht. Manches hat vielleicht auch mit verschobenen 
Sat-Aufnahmen zu tun.
So schön es auch ist, dass neue Leute mitmachen. Wenn man ständig solche groben 
Fehler von anderen ausbügeln muss vergeht einem irgendwann die Lust (und ich 
kann auch nicht jeden Tag alle neuen Benutzer individuell und höflich 
anschreiben). Zumal die oft großen Fehler doch auch etwas peinlich sind, jetzt 
wo die Karte da so in der Öffentlichkeit steht und genutzt wird.

Kann man dieses Problem besser in den Griff bekommen, sodass von neuen Usern 
weniger Fehler gemacht werden?


Viele Grüße

Marcus

Kostenlos tippen, täglich 1 Million gewinnen: zum WEB.DE MillionenKlick!
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Re: [Talk-de] Viele Fehler in Haiti

2010-01-25 Per discussione FlaBot
Einige Fehler entstehen durch Klicken in Potlatcher ... andere eben so ...

Eine automatische Liste mit vielen Fehlern zum abarbeiten gibts hier
(http://toolserver.org/~flacus/OSM/haiti.php) .

Etwa 2-3 neue Version pro Tag. Bitte helft mir die Fehler schnell
abzuarbeiten, sodass man in Zukunft immer Zeitnah die Fehler erkennt
und ggf die User anschreiben kann.



Lg Dirk

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Re: [Talk-de] Viele Fehler in Haiti

2010-01-25 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hallo,

iga...@web.de wrote:
 Diese Einträge wurden alle von 5 neuen Benutzern
 gemacht, die sich erst heute bzw. einer am Samstag angemeldet haben. 
 Ich nenne jetzt mal hier keine Benutzernamen, kann ja jeder selbst
 nachschauen.
 
 Diese Häufung in einem Gebiet an einem Tag ist doch seltsam.

Ich glaube, dass es hie und da solche Crisis Camps gibt, wo Leute, die 
gern irgendwie helfen wollen, von anderen, die glauben, dass das 
sinnvoll ist, den Umgang mit OSM-Tools beigebracht bekommen. Dass dabei 
vermehrt und unter Umstaenden auch konzentriert Murks gemacht wird, muss 
man wohl in Kauf nehmen.

 Kann man dieses Problem besser in den Griff bekommen, sodass von
 neuen Usern weniger Fehler gemacht werden?

Glaube nicht. Wir muessen die Leute einfach gewaehren lassen, und in ein 
paar Monaten, wenn das hektische Krisenmapping vorueber ist, dann 
schauen wir weiter.

Es ist vielleicht auch gar nicht immer hilfreich, wenn wir den Leuten 
unsere Qualitaetsmasstaebe und Standards aufs Auge druecken; eventuell 
bremsen wir damit eher.

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Re: [Talk-de] Viele Fehler in Haiti

2010-01-25 Per discussione Chris-Hein Lunkhusen
iga...@web.de schrieb:

 Kann man dieses Problem besser in den Griff bekommen, sodass von neuen Usern 
 weniger Fehler gemacht werden?

ich denke damit müssen wir leben. Besser fehlerhafte Daten als überhaupt
keine Daten. Und wenn Du mal keepright anwirfst, findest Du
auch bei uns noch tausende Fehler.

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Re: [Talk-de] FOSSGIS 2010 in Osnabrueck: Programm und Anmeldung

2010-01-25 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hallo,

Lars Lingner wrote:
 Tolle Veranstaltung, leider fuer mich zeitlich nicht machbar. Werden die 
 Vortaege
 auch irgendwo veroeffentlicht.
 
 Eine Aufzeichnung der Veranstaltungen ist nicht geplant.

Wenn irgendjemand aus der OSM-Community aber willens und in der Lage 
ist, eine solche Aufzeichnung zu organisieren (und idealerweise die 
Sachen nachher alle unter eine offenen Lizenz rauszugeben), dann wuerden 
wir das durchaus gut finden und, wo moeglich, unterstuetzen.

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Re: [Talk-de] Viele Fehler in Haiti

2010-01-25 Per discussione Johann H. Addicks
Ich habe gerade mehrere Tracks gefunden, die nach meiner Meinung auf 
Wassergräben und Wadis gemalt worden sind...

Gibt es eine ZDV für  Luftbildauswertung aller Truppen?

-jha-


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[Talk-de] Mappertreffen für Passau Straubing

2010-01-25 Per discussione Michael Käufl
Hallo zusammen,

ich wollte auf diesem Wege fragen, ob es Interessenten für Mappertreffen in 
Straubing und Passau gibt. Wer sich angesprochen fühlt darf sich bei mir oder 
auf der Niederbayern-Liste niederbay...@lists.openstreetmap.de melden.
Danke!


Grüße,
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Re: [Talk-de] Viele Fehler in Haiti

2010-01-25 Per discussione Torsten Breda
Am 25. Januar 2010 22:21 schrieb  iga...@web.de:
 Hallo alle miteinander,

 Kann man dieses Problem besser in den Griff bekommen, sodass von neuen Usern 
 weniger Fehler gemacht werden?


Das einfachste, was man machen kann, ist den einzelnen
verursachenden User anzuschreiben und freundlich darauf hinweisen,
dass seine Änderungen zwar gut gemeint sind, er jedoch zukünftig
sorgfältiger arbeiten sollte. Dann bietet man bei der Gelegenheit auch
gleich Hilfe bei Problemen und Fragen an und beide Seiten sind
zufrieden.
Natürlich kann man auch einfach die Fehler korrigieren und auf das
Verständnis des anderen hoffen.

Das hast du sicherlich auch schon beides gemacht, bevor du dich an die
ML gerichtet hast.

Alle reglementierenden Maßnahmen schrecken meiner Meinung nach nur ab.
Dann wären wir heute nicht da, wo wir sind.
Ich bin jetzt seit einigen Jahren bei OSM dabei und habe überraschend
positive Erfahrung mit der Selbstheilung der crowd gemacht. Zusätzlich
wirkt ein wenig Kommunikation und direkte Ansprache oft Wunder.
(Natürlich sollte man die mittlerweile recht guten Tools zur
Fehlerkontrolle auch nicht außer Acht lassen.)

Meine Meinung
Torsten

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[Talk-de] OSM in 3sat nano

2010-01-25 Per discussione Michael Rathai



In der gestrigen Folge von 3sat nano kam ein längerer Beitrag zu OSM:

http://hstreaming.zdf.de/3sat/veryhigh/080819_vermessung_nano.mov
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[Talk-de] Antw: OSM in 3sat nano

2010-01-25 Per discussione Michael Rathai


Eigentlich waren es sogar 2 Beiträge, einer noch zu Haiti :
http://wstreaming.zdf.de/3sat/veryhigh/100125_routenpl_nano.asx 








Von: 
Michael Rathaimich...@rathai.de

An:
gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.region.de, talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Datum: 
26.01.2010 07:47

Betreff: 
OSM in 3sat nano

In der gestrigen Folge von 3sat nano kam ein längerer Beitrag zu OSM:

http://hstreaming.zdf.de/3sat/veryhigh/080819_vermessung_nano.mov
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Re: [Talk-de] Viele Fehler in Haiti

2010-01-25 Per discussione DarkAngel
Am 25.01.2010 22:44, schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen:
 iga...@web.de schrieb:

   
 Kann man dieses Problem besser in den Griff bekommen, sodass von neuen Usern 
 weniger Fehler gemacht werden?
 
 ich denke damit müssen wir leben. Besser fehlerhafte Daten als überhaupt
 keine Daten. Und wenn Du mal keepright anwirfst, findest Du
 auch bei uns noch tausende Fehler.
   
Was nützt eine Straßenkarte mit lauter Fehlern? Was passiert, wenn
tatsächlich jemand diese Karten vor Ort nutzt und mit seinem Lkw voller
Hilfsgüter nicht auf einer befestigten Straße sondern irgendwo auf dem
Feld landet? Wie fällt das Presseecho wohl aus, wenn zwar viele Daten
erfasst sind, ein Teil davon aber unbrauchbar ist?

Besser wenige Daten aber dafür verlässliche!

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Re: [Talk-de] Viele Fehler in Haiti

2010-01-25 Per discussione Torsten Breda
Am 26. Januar 2010 07:59 schrieb DarkAngel darkan...@ms-team.de:


 Besser wenige Daten aber dafür verlässliche!

Eine leere Karte enthält keine Fehler!
Schon mal nachgedacht, was du forderst?

Vielleicht sollte man besser fordern, dass die erfahreneren User mehr
Zeit in die Fehlerbeseitigung/Validierung stecken, aber ich bleibe bei
meiner Meinung, dass die OSM immer besser und verlässlicher ist, als
es einige Schwarzmaler wahrhaben wollten. Und allen Unkenrufen zum
Trotz ist eine fehlerhafte Karte besser, als gar keine.

Und wenn der von die ziterte LKW-Fahrer im Feld landet, dann sollte er
mal über seinen Fahrstil nachdenken und nicht die Schuld bei anderen
suchen.

Meine Meinung
Torsten

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Re: [Talk-de] Viele Fehler in Haiti

2010-01-25 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hallo,

DarkAngel wrote:
 Was nützt eine Straßenkarte mit lauter Fehlern? Was passiert, wenn
 tatsächlich jemand diese Karten vor Ort nutzt und mit seinem Lkw voller
 Hilfsgüter nicht auf einer befestigten Straße sondern irgendwo auf dem
 Feld landet? Wie fällt das Presseecho wohl aus, wenn zwar viele Daten
 erfasst sind, ein Teil davon aber unbrauchbar ist?
 
 Besser wenige Daten aber dafür verlässliche!

Das ist genau das, was ich meinte, als ich andeutete, dass die 
Interessen von OSM und der Helfercommunity nicht immer deckungsgleich 
sein muessen - vor Ort hat man vielleicht lieber mehr Daten, auf die 
Gefahr hin, dass einige davon falsch sind, waehrend wir sonst bei OSM 
sagen: Dann warte ich mit dem Eintragen lieber, bis ich mal vor Ort bin.

Bye
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Re: [Talk-de] Viele Fehler in Haiti

2010-01-25 Per discussione DarkAngel
Am 26.01.2010 08:06, schrieb Torsten Breda:
 Am 26. Januar 2010 07:59 schrieb DarkAngel darkan...@ms-team.de:

   
 Besser wenige Daten aber dafür verlässliche!

 
 Eine leere Karte enthält keine Fehler!
 Schon mal nachgedacht, was du forderst?

 Vielleicht sollte man besser fordern, dass die erfahreneren User mehr
 Zeit in die Fehlerbeseitigung/Validierung stecken, aber ich bleibe bei
 meiner Meinung, dass die OSM immer besser und verlässlicher ist, als
 es einige Schwarzmaler wahrhaben wollten. Und allen Unkenrufen zum
 Trotz ist eine fehlerhafte Karte besser, als gar keine.

   
Ich habe nie behauptet, das OSM schlecht ist - sonst würde ich da auch
kaum mitmachen. Ich kann die Qualität speziell in der Region Haiti nicht
beurteilen und beziehe mich auch nicht direkt darauf. Was nützt es aber,
wenn zahlreiche Informationen in eine Karte gezeichnet werden, von denen
viele falsch sind und hinterher korrigiert werden müssen. Zumal es
bekanntermaßen schwerer ist, Daten zu korrigieren als neu zu erfassen.
Dazu muss ich nämlich erstmal erkennen, dass sie falsch sind. Dann doch
lieber etwas weniger und dafür richtig.
Klar enthält eine leere Karte keine Fehler, dann weiß ich aber
zumindest, dass ich diese Karte nicht benutzen brauche.
Wenn ich aber eine Karte mit Straßen/Wegen oder anderen Infos habe, will
ich mich auch darauf verlassen können. Es nützt mir dann nichts wenn 70%
der Infos korrekt sind, ich aber nicht weiß welche 70% das sind.

Aber wenn falsche Infos besser sind als keine, warum malen wir dann die
leeren Flächen in Deutschland nicht schön bunt aus.

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Re: [Talk-in] GPS purchase

2010-01-25 Per discussione Gora Mohanty
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 07:58:08 +0530
H.S.Rai hardeep@gmail.com wrote:

 For Joint Punjab Mapping Project I need to purchase 10 units GPS
 Data Loggers. Please suggest which make and model I should buy.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GPS_Reviews , just in case
you are not aware of it.

We tried out several models, and were happy with the Holux, the
Globalsat DG-100, and the Amod AGL-3080 (all chosen through the
above Wiki page). All of these are loggers, and do not have maps. If
I remember correctly, the latter two have significantly higher
storage capacity.

You could just opt to order from the US. We have been very happy
with http://www.semsons.com/ . Even with shipping costs, each of the
above came to about $65-70/unit.

 My foremost requirement is to get transferred data (GPS logs,
 WayPoints) from units to Linux loaded PC / Laptop. Till date I
 have used Garmin GPSmap 76CSx, Garmin eTrex H, Garmin  Geko 201,
 RoyalTek GPS Data Logger RBT2300. For all above except 76CSx, I
 have to use M$ windows to get data transferred
[...]

That is strange. Most GPS units can nowadays be made to work with
Linux, with exceptions of course. If you can let us borrow a unit
for a few days, we would be glad to have a go at it.

Regards,
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Re: [Talk-in] GPS purchase

2010-01-25 Per discussione Sudev Barar
2010/1/26 Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net:
 My foremost requirement is to get transferred data (GPS logs,
 WayPoints) from units to Linux loaded PC / Laptop. Till date I
 have used Garmin GPSmap 76CSx, Garmin eTrex H, Garmin  Geko 201,
 RoyalTek GPS Data Logger RBT2300. For all above except 76CSx, I
 have to use M$ windows to get data transferred
 [...]

 That is strange. Most GPS units can nowadays be made to work with
 Linux, with exceptions of course. If you can let us borrow a unit
 for a few days, we would be glad to have a go at it.

I mostly use wine to run MapSource that comes along with Garmin units.
With some other software that need port specification but do not
provide USB port as a choice (or provide MS way of looking at things)
the only thing I had to do was make a directory link in
.wine/dosdevices linking USB port to COM ports like:

ln -sf /dev/USB0 COM3

This way when the device is plugged

Ofcourse some sort of download utility like minicom or similar will
also work if you know the serial commands for the devices.

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Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there.

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Re: [Talk-in] GPS purchase

2010-01-25 Per discussione Sudev Barar
2010/1/26 Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net:
 You could just opt to order from the US. We have been very happy
 with http://www.semsons.com/ . Even with shipping costs, each of the
 above came to about $65-70/unit.


For an unrelated project we got them to US$50 for 100 devices.

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Re: [Talk-in] GPS purchase

2010-01-25 Per discussione H.S.Rai
Nice to see all good guys sharing their experience and providing valuable input.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote:


 That is strange. Most GPS units can nowadays be made to work with
 Linux, with exceptions of course. If you can let us borrow a unit
 for a few days, we would be glad to have a go at it.

Nice, I will try to do so.

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Re: [Talk-in] GPS purchase

2010-01-25 Per discussione H.S.Rai
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Sudev Barar sba...@gmail.com wrote:

 I mostly use wine to run MapSource that comes along with Garmin units.

Can't we replace MapSource with QLandkarte?

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Re: [Talk-in] GPS purchase

2010-01-25 Per discussione H.S.Rai
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote:

 I have yet to come across a Garmin unit that does not work with gpsbabel

Let me try again, and report you back.

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Re: [Talk-in] GPS purchase

2010-01-25 Per discussione H.S.Rai
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote:
 On Tuesday 26 Jan 2010 8:50:59 am Sudev Barar wrote:
  That is strange. Most GPS units can nowadays be made to work with
  Linux, with exceptions of course. If you can let us borrow a unit
  for a few days, we would be glad to have a go at it.

 I mostly use wine to run MapSource that comes along with Garmin units.


 I have yet to come across a Garmin unit that does not work with gpsbabel

But produce supported on Linux officially by manufacturer is what
required. Now, it is just matter of chance. If if worked on Linux
fine, otherwise keep rebooting or use friends PC on M$ window to use
you device.

Found following GPS devices when searched for Linux.

http://search.store.yahoo.net/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=SEMSONS-INCvwcatalog=SEMSONS-INCquery=linuxx=0y=0

http://www.semsons.com/vivgblgpsdal.html has facility to Voice Tag
with inbuilt mic.

http://www.semsons.com/amaggpsdalos1.html

===
OT
===

We purchases Smart Class Room system. Company promised it to work on
Linux. When I demanded its working on Linux, even after 3 week I yet
to get CD for Linux [Courier lost it in between :-( ].

Yesterday they send person (from Delhi) to give me demo on Linux, who
does not carried any CD with him and has never worked on Linux. He
just wasted my two hours and went back without any gain.

Their website do mention support for M$window, Mac and Linux, but
number of software for M$ windows is more and are having higher
version.

 http://www.einstruction.com/support_downloads/downloads.html

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Re: [Talk-in] GPS purchase

2010-01-25 Per discussione Kenneth Gonsalves
On Tuesday 26 Jan 2010 11:27:25 am H.S.Rai wrote:
  I have yet to come across a Garmin unit that does not work with gpsbabel
 
 But produce supported on Linux officially by manufacturer is what
 required.
 

as mentioned before, jtd is your solution (but does his device work on 
windoze? no guarantee from manufacturer)
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Re: [Talk-it] Specialità italiani su osm?

2010-01-25 Per discussione Simone Cortesi
2010/1/24 Carlo Stemberger carlo.stember...@gmail.com:
 Il 24/01/2010 09:51, Simone Cortesi ha scritto:

 chiamatemi reazionario:

 shop=gelateria

 -1

 Se è vero che il gelato all'italiana è un prodotto tipico, non siamo
 gli unici a produrlo.

 Mi viene in mente, ad esempio, a Parigi, sull'isola di Saint Louis, la
 rinomata Maison Berthillon[1]. Cosa facciamo, in quel caso, la mappiamo come

 shop=glacier
 ?

 Non ha senso.


 [1] http://www.berthillon.fr/

quella mi sembra molto simile a una gelateria italiana di altissimo
livello. quindi per me ha senso chiamarla glacier.

se poi, qualcuno
vuole scrivere un filtro che trasforma tutti gli ice_cream_parlor in
gelateria, in glacierè libero di farlo.

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Re: [Talk-it] Problemi visualizzazione mappa in Mapnik

2010-01-25 Per discussione Simone Cortesi
2010/1/24 Alessandro Pozzato apozz...@libero.it:
 In realtà non c'è una zona precisa dove non si vede. Qualsiasi siano le
 coordinate e il livello dello zoom, si vede tutto come un puzzle a cui
 mancano dei pezzi. Dappertutto.

hai un firewall?

mi è capitato, e so di altri a cui succede, che se dietro a firewall o
dietro connessione internet con poche risorse (pochi socket
disponibili) riescono a scaricare bene le tile di google ma non quelle
di openstreetmap.

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Re: [Talk-it] Progetto rete autobus urbani di Padova

2010-01-25 Per discussione Paolo Molaro
On 01/24/10 Tiziano D'Angelo wrote:
 Beh è davvero un ottimo risultato di già! Però guardando la linea 6 ho visto
 che gestisce solo un verso degli stop, nel senso che per esempio mancano
 tutte le fermate (backward) di Via Lagrange eccetto il capolinea , così come
 alcune di via dei Colli sempre backward, od altre situazioni dove il bus
 corre su vie diverse in andata e ritorno

Certo, il primo programmino l'ho scritto in mezz'ora e poi riusato il
codice, non puoi pretendere che faccia anche il caffe':)
A parte quello il problema maggiore e' come rendere graficamente
il tutto e fare in modo che sia leggibile e non faccia schifo.
Nel caso di una linea singola che abbia fermate diverse all'andata e
ritorno si potrebbe adottare il tipo di output delle linee che si
sdoppiano, ma quando unisci le due cose diventa un po' un casino...
Se qualcuno ha esempi di immagini online di rendering decenti dello
stesso problema si puo' tentare di imitare lo stile.

 Questa è una cosa da chiarire, ho creato una relazione per la ramificazione
 chiamandola (in name) diversamente dal 10 normale per distinguerla, nella
 ref è meglio lasciare 10 e basta? OPNV così mostrerebbe il percorso del 10
 Caselle come 10 al pari del percorso per Sarmeola. Mentre forse è il caso di
 mettere ref = 10 Caselle (come ho fatto di recente al pari di 6 via Cave /
 via Sorio, che però ho visto danno problemi nell'SVG con le spaziature) per
 mostrare che è una ramificazione (ad ogni modo quello si capisce comunque
 dalla mappa)

Io farei in modo che ogni relazione abbia il percorso completo, cioe'
non ce ne sia una principale e poi un piccola solo con la diramazione.

lupus

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Re: [Talk-it] Specialità italiani su osm?

2010-01-25 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/1/25 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com:
 livello. quindi per me ha senso chiamarla glacier.

 se poi, qualcuno
 vuole scrivere un filtro che trasforma tutti gli ice_cream_parlor in
 gelateria, in glacierè libero di farlo.


secondome questo idea di fare tutto in un preprocessing e trasformare
migliai di tag in altri per fare un render/routing/qualsiasi utilizzo
ha anche i suoi limiti. Per Esempio recentemente si è concluso più o
meno sulla lista tedesco di prendere il sistema italiano per i
maxspeed. (maxspeed=numero + source:maxspeed=IT:urban) perché c'era
troppo confusione con varie maxspeed=DE:urban/zone:30/DE:30-zone/...
che si avrebbe devuto tradurre in numeri per interpretarle
automaticamente.

ciao,
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[Talk-es] actualización cambios

2010-01-25 Per discussione bv2musae
Hola lista, soy nuevo en Openstreetmap y ayer comencé a realizar  
algunas aportaciones. Vi que los cambios que introduje tardaron algún  
tiempo en hacerse efectivo, pero es que, además, algunos de ellos aún  
hoy siguen sin mostrarse. Sin embargo, al registrarme y entrar en modo  
de edición sí se reflejan los cambios. ¿Sabéis a qué puede deberse?

Aprovecho la ocasión para preguntar por la forma en la que partir una  
calle en dos, ya que he encontrado calles consideradas como una única  
cuando se trata de calle con nombre distintos.

Por último, ¿qué GPS me recomendáis? (que no sea muy caro, que la  
economía anda algo floja).

Muchas gracias.

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Re: [Talk-es] actualización cambios

2010-01-25 Per discussione Jonay Santana
2010/1/25 bv2mu...@uco.es

 Hola lista, soy nuevo en Openstreetmap y ayer comencé a realizar
 algunas aportaciones. Vi que los cambios que introduje tardaron algún
 tiempo en hacerse efectivo, pero es que, además, algunos de ellos aún
 hoy siguen sin mostrarse. Sin embargo, al registrarme y entrar en modo
 de edición sí se reflejan los cambios. ¿Sabéis a qué puede deberse?


  Antes que nada, bienvenido. Los cambios por lo que yo he visto se reflejan
en los mapas los jueves, creo que es cuando se incorporan todos los cambios
semanales. Así que hasta entonces no desesperes. :) Como mucho en una semana
verás el resultado de tu trabajo.


 Aprovecho la ocasión para preguntar por la forma en la que partir una
 calle en dos, ya que he encontrado calles consideradas como una única
 cuando se trata de calle con nombre distintos.


  ¿Una misma calle con dos nombres? :-O Para mí eso son dos calles
diferentes... Me temo que te debo de haber entendido mal, porque no le veo
mucha lógica... Si hay dos nombres, son dos calles, por mucho que una sea
continuación de otra, ¿no?


 Por último, ¿qué GPS me recomendáis? (que no sea muy caro, que la
 economía anda algo floja).


  Ya no me compraría ninguno; habiendo móviles con Android, iPhones, Windows
Mobile, Symbians y Maemos, salvo que quieras algo muy específico creo que es
mejor compra un móvil de gama alta que un GPS de gama media... Pero para
gustos, colores, y depende mucho de lo que quieras específicamente.


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Re: [Talk-es] actualización cambios

2010-01-25 Per discussione Carlos Dávila
bv2mu...@uco.es escribió:
 Hola lista, soy nuevo en Openstreetmap y ayer comencé a realizar  
 algunas aportaciones. Vi que los cambios que introduje tardaron algún  
 tiempo en hacerse efectivo, pero es que, además, algunos de ellos aún  
 hoy siguen sin mostrarse. Sin embargo, al registrarme y entrar en modo  
 de edición sí se reflejan los cambios. ¿Sabéis a qué puede deberse?
   
Los cambios que haces quedan incorporados en el momento que tú los
mandas, lo que pasa es que el mapa que se muestra en
www.openstreetmap.org se actualiza sólo cada cierto tiempo (los
miércoles si no ha cambiado). Puedes mirar en
http://informationfreeway.org que se actualiza con bastante más
frecuencia. Además, si te pones la barra de zum en la sexta posición
empezando por arriba (nivel 12) y pinchas con el botón izquierdo
mientras mantienes pulsada la tecla CTRL, fuerzas a que se actualice antes.
 Aprovecho la ocasión para preguntar por la forma en la que partir una  
 calle en dos, ya que he encontrado calles consideradas como una única  
 cuando se trata de calle con nombre distintos.
   
Si usas JOSM, selecciona el nodo por el que quieres partir la calle y
pulsa la tecla p
 Por último, ¿qué GPS me recomendáis? (que no sea muy caro, que la  
 economía anda algo floja).

 Muchas gracias.


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Re: [Talk-es] actualización cambios

2010-01-25 Per discussione Carlos Dávila
bv2mu...@uco.es escribió:
 Hola lista, soy nuevo en Openstreetmap y ayer comencé a realizar  
 algunas aportaciones. Vi que los cambios que introduje tardaron algún  
 tiempo en hacerse efectivo, pero es que, además, algunos de ellos aún  
 hoy siguen sin mostrarse. Sin embargo, al registrarme y entrar en modo  
 de edición sí se reflejan los cambios. ¿Sabéis a qué puede deberse?
   
Los cambios que haces quedan incorporados en el momento que tú los
mandas, lo que pasa es que el mapa que se muestra en
www.openstreetmap.org se actualiza sólo cada cierto tiempo (los
miércoles si no ha cambiado). Puedes mirar en
http://informationfreeway.org que se actualiza con bastante más
frecuencia. Además, si te pones la barra de zum en la sexta posición
empezando por arriba (nivel 12) y pinchas con el botón izquierdo en la
zona que te interese mientras mantienes pulsada la tecla CTRL, fuerzas a
que se actualice antes.
 Aprovecho la ocasión para preguntar por la forma en la que partir una  
 calle en dos, ya que he encontrado calles consideradas como una única  
 cuando se trata de calle con nombre distintos.
   
Si usas JOSM, selecciona el nodo por el que quieres partir la calle y
pulsa la tecla p
 Por último, ¿qué GPS me recomendáis? (que no sea muy caro, que la  
 economía anda algo floja).

 Muchas gracias.


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Re: [Talk-es] actualización cambios

2010-01-25 Per discussione acracia
 Hola lista, soy nuevo en Openstreetmap y ayer comencé a realizar
 algunas aportaciones. Vi que los cambios que introduje tardaron algún
 tiempo en hacerse efectivo, pero es que, además, algunos de ellos aún
 hoy siguen sin mostrarse. Sin embargo, al registrarme y entrar en modo
 de edición sí se reflejan los cambios. ¿Sabéis a qué puede deberse?


hola

lo que pasara es que esa parte no estara marcada para renderizar, pero si
se ven en la vista de edicion es que apareceran temprano.

si quieres renderizar mas rapido, te recomiendo que instales JOSM.


 y bienvenido a la lista!





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Re: [Talk-es] no aparecen etiquetas en el modo de edic ión

2010-01-25 Per discussione Jesús Gómez




Puedes enviarnos la direccin URL de ese elemento?
En la vista del mapa pulsa Enlace permanente, abajo a la derecha, y
luego copia la direccin que muestra t navegador.

bv2mu...@uco.es escribi:

  He visto que algunas etiquetas (en este caso de poblaciones) aparecen  
en la vista pero al entrar en modo edicin no hay ningn elemento en  
el lugar de la etiqueta. Por qu?

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Re: [Talk-es] no aparecen etiquetas en el modo de edici ón

2010-01-25 Per discussione Jorge
Probablemente estés confundiendo eso que piensas que son poblaciones con las
etiquetas que indican el nombre de los términos municipales (las lineas
moradas discontinuas que aparecen a partir de cierto nivel de zoom). Estas
etiquetas se pintan en el centro del término municipal automáticamente, si
hay nodo para el municipio también aparecerá.

Saludos.

2010/1/25 bv2mu...@uco.es

 He visto que algunas etiquetas (en este caso de poblaciones) aparecen
 en la vista pero al entrar en modo edición no hay ningún elemento en
 el lugar de la etiqueta. ¿Por qué?

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Re: [Talk-es] no aparecen etiquetas en el modo de edici ón

2010-01-25 Per discussione Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 25 de Enero de 2010, Jorge escribió:
 Estas etiquetas se pintan en el centro del término municipal 
 automáticamente, si hay nodo para el municipio también aparecerá.

Técnicamente, no es el centro, sino el centroide. Véase 
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centroide

Por lo general, cualquier entidad que sea poligonal (municipios, áreas 
pobladas, cementerios, edificios singulares, lo que sea) tienen una etiqueta 
con el nombre, posicionado en el centroide del polígono.

(Excepto para relaciones multipolígono con más de un anillo externo; en este 
tipo de geometrías el motor de PostGIS se hace la picha un lío y te calcula 
el centroide a dos kilómetros al noreste de donde debería estar).


Por cierto, que poner el nombre de alguna cosa por duplicado (una vez en el 
polígono y otra vez en un nodo) se considera una mala práctica. Con poner el 
nombre en el polígono es suficiente.


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Re: [Talk-es] actualización cambios

2010-01-25 Per discussione Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 25 de Enero de 2010, bv2mu...@uco.es escribió:
 Hola lista, soy nuevo en Openstreetmap y ayer comencé a realizar
 algunas aportaciones. Vi que los cambios que introduje tardaron algún
 tiempo en hacerse efectivo, pero es que, además, algunos de ellos aún
 hoy siguen sin mostrarse. Sin embargo, al registrarme y entrar en modo
 de edición sí se reflejan los cambios. ¿Sabéis a qué puede deberse?

A que el proceso de renderizado no es instantáneo. De la base de datos se 
tiene que generar un volcado, ese volcado se carga en un PostGIS, junto con 
el volcado se calcula la lista de imágenes que hay que volver a renderizar, y 
el demonio renderd, cuando pueda, va trabajando a lo largo de esa lista.

En un día bueno, pueden pasar apenas 5 minutos para que los cambios se 
muestren en el mapa. En un día malo, pueden pasar unas cuantas horas.

[Modo abuelete ON]

En mis tiempos teníamos que esperar hasta el miércoles... de la semana 
siguiente. Porque no era automático.

[Modo abuelete OFF]

 Aprovecho la ocasión para preguntar por la forma en la que partir una
 calle en dos, ya que he encontrado calles consideradas como una única
 cuando se trata de calle con nombre distintos.

Define en dos. ¿Longitudinalmente? ¿Transversalmente? Es decir, ¿Quieres dos 
calles paralelas (una calle con mediana), o quieres dos calles seguidas 
(calle con cambio de nombre o propiedades)?

 Por último, ¿qué GPS me recomendáis? (que no sea muy caro, que la
 economía anda algo floja).

Pché, depende de qué uso le vayas a dar. ¿Vas a usarlo con una PDA o un 
portátil (sólo receptor GPS)? ¿Vas a llevártelo al campo? ¿Vas a ponerlo en 
el coche?


No sé si te he aclarado algo o te he dejado todavía peor :-)


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Re: [Talk-es] actualización cambios

2010-01-25 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2010/1/25  bv2mu...@uco.es:
 Hola lista, soy nuevo en Openstreetmap y ayer comencé a realizar
 algunas aportaciones. Vi que los cambios que introduje tardaron algún
 tiempo en hacerse efectivo, pero es que, además, algunos de ellos aún
 hoy siguen sin mostrarse. Sin embargo, al registrarme y entrar en modo
 de edición sí se reflejan los cambios. ¿Sabéis a qué puede deberse?

 Aprovecho la ocasión para preguntar por la forma en la que partir una
 calle en dos, ya que he encontrado calles consideradas como una única
 cuando se trata de calle con nombre distintos.

Yo mismo uso josm pero mirando
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Potlatch-cheatsheet.svg con
la tecla X puedes partir la calle y despues cambiarle el nombre a uno
de los fragmentos.

Respecto al renderizado lo que ya han dicho los demas: unos
renderizadores son mas rapidos que otros y mas inteligentes en darse
cuenta de los cambios o menos inteligentes.  En la pagina principal
hay tres capas, cada una usa distinto software.  Puedes tambien poner
tu propio renderizado en tu pc para generar un nuevo mapa en el
momento que quieras.

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Re: [Talk-es] no aparecen etiquetas en el modo de edici ón

2010-01-25 Per discussione Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 25 de Enero de 2010, Jorge escribió:
 2010/1/25 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es

  Por cierto, que poner el nombre de alguna cosa por duplicado (una vez en
  el polígono y otra vez en un nodo) se considera una mala práctica. Con
  poner el
  nombre en el polígono es suficiente.

 Me refería a que visualmente si hay un nodo de población con el mismo
 nombre que el polígono del área del término municipal (normalmente cerca
 del centroide) aparecerá no muy lejos repetido el nombre, ej:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.969lon=-0.5289zoom=14layers=B000FTF

En este caso, son cosas distintas pero con el mismo nombre. Una cosa es el 
municipio, y la otra cosa es el núcleo de población.

A lo que voy es: si tienes un polígono para el municipio, no hace falta poner 
un nodo para el municipio. Si tienes un polígono para el núcleo de población, 
no hace falta poner un nodo para el núcleo de población. (Etcétera)


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Re: [Talk-es] actualización cambios

2010-01-25 Per discussione Jose Luis Perez Diez
A Dilluns, 25 de de gener de 2010 19:21:07, Jonay Santana va escriure:
   ¿Una misma calle con dos nombres? :-O Para mí eso son dos calles
 diferentes... Me temo que te debo de haber entendido mal, porque no le veo
 mucha lógica... Si hay dos nombres, son dos calles, por mucho que una sea
 continuación de otra, ¿no?
 
Yo he visto  calles tipo rambla con una calzada que tiene un nombre diferente 
del paseo centaral y la otra calzada, cuando desaparece el paseo central en 
algunos casos una acera tiene un nombre y la otra otro.

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Re: [Talk-at] Skitouren taggen

2010-01-25 Per discussione Patrick Steiner
On 25.01.2010 12:20, Boris Cornet wrote:
 Patrick Steiner schrieb:

 Gibt es irgendwo vielleicht schon eine richtige Implementierung von
 Skitouren?

  
 Sieht nicht danach aus, als gäb's bereits was 'endgültiges'. Aber der
 Ansatz mit piste:* ist wenigstens schon ein proposal (wenn auch noch
 nicht beschlossen). Zudem scheint mir das systematischer zu sein als das
 was man unter WikiProject_Austria/Schitouren findet. Den Vorschlag
 highway=path finde ich sogar ausgesprochen kontraproduktiv und ist wohl
 egoistisches 'Mappen für die Renderer'.

 Also, ich würde mich an dieses Schema halten:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps#Pistes
 siehe auch: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenPisteMap

 Ach ja, aus gegebenen Anlaß: Bitte piste:name=* verwenden, NICHT name=*,
 sonst gibts Geisterwege!!!

 Über eines muss man sich aber klar sein: Die klassischen Renderer
 stellen keine Pisten dar, und das ist wohl auch gut so. Es gibt aber
 z.B. http://openpistemap.org, wo die Pisten dargestellt werden,
 inwieweit auch Touren, das weiß ich nicht. Langlaufrouten scheinen
 jedenfalls leider nicht dargestellt zu werden, Standseilbahnen und
 Schlepplifte offenbar auch nicht. Aber das kann - und wird sich
 hoffentlich - ändern

OK, dann werde ich es nach diesem Schema machen. Ich finde den Vorschlag von
highway=path auch nicht wirklich ideal, außer es geht natürlich im 
Sommer auf
der selben Strecke ein Wanderweg entlang (ist ja des öfteren so).

Ich habe eigentlich vor mir dann eine eigene Karte für meinen Garmin zu 
erstellen,
bei der ich dann die Skitouren aktiviere. Nur dazu ist es einmal wichitg 
einen sauberen
Standard zu haben :-)

LG
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Re: [Talk-ca] Import of large features in Canvec

2010-01-25 Per discussione Yves Moisan

  Today I have (finally) worked on large features in Canvec data (forests,
  water, etc.), and I have come up with a method how to deal with them.
 
 Bravo!  Looks great.

Great indeed !!

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Re: [Talk-ca] Import of large features in Canvec

2010-01-25 Per discussione Sam Vekemans
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/393821

 attribution = Natural Resources Canada  canvec:CODE = 1240022  canvec:UUID
= cad1acc2f7794480a0c17cadeef4d3b7  natural = wood  source =
CanVec_Import_2009  type = multipolygon
That looks fine.  I would remove that canvec:UUID tag as since now it is in
the database it is free to edit, and to what we wish to.   But that's just
me.   BTW, in the USA Tiger data, the UUID was removed as it has a 'power
fit' where it was treated as more valuable than regular users edits.   That
part (power fit) is not acceptable with OpenStreetMap.

The canvec:sourceDate=* should be added (it available in the datasource)
since that tells the users how old the data is and gives them a way to
compare the data with their own datasets (ie. from municipalities directly)
or from physical observations.  Change on the ground happens so fast that
it's important to have it on all features.

Its worth no note that this 'wooded_area' is simply just that, it has no
boundaries, it just states at the time of surveying, this area has trees,
and the wholes (inner polygons) dont have trees.
This 'wooded area' is not a designated area, so it's neithor a park/private
land/protected area.
When you look at the yahoo imagery (and future imagery) you can easily see
what the currently status of the 'wooded_area' actually is.  But on the
ground, you'll see what it's like today.

So in sum, when your out mapping, feel free to adjust the edges of these
polygons to accurately show where in fact the 'wooded_area' is today.   And
if you know what the designation of the area is. ie. signs that say park
area, you can add that in as an unfilled polygon border.

Great to see no edges, nice fix.

Cheers,
Sam


On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Frank Steggink stegg...@steggink.orgwrote:

 Hi all,

 Today I have (finally) worked on large features in Canvec data (forests,
 water, etc.), and I have come up with a method how to deal with them.
 This currently involves PostGIS, but maybe I'll use GEOS or another
 method, so that it isn't necessary to load data in a DB. More details
 will follow soon, since I need to clean up code / sort out things a bit,
 and eventually integrate it into the canvec_to_osm.py script.

 Right now I've uploaded (only) wooded areas in the Charlevoix region in
 Quebec. This already makes the map look entirely different! The result
 can be found here [1]. Changesets: [2] and [3].

 You'll see faint horizontal and vertical lines crisscrossing the area.
 This is an artifact of making the features smaller (0.1 x 0.05 degrees).
 This will be dealt with with the gamma option which is part of the new
 Mapnik 0.7.0 release. This will probably be used in a couple of weeks on
 osm.org. See [4] for more info.

 Cheers,

 Frank

 [1]
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.625lon=-70.25zoom=11layers=B000FTFT
 [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3707953
 [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3708062
 [4] http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/PolygonSymbolizer


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Re: [Talk-ca] Import of large features in Canvec

2010-01-25 Per discussione Sam Vekemans
Hi,


On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Frank Steggink stegg...@steggink.orgwrote:

 Hi Sam,

 Thanks for your feedback. I agree with your suggestion to remove the ID. It
 is simply unmaintainable by us. I also saw that many of them were the same.
 This was already before my script started splitting large areas up.

 The addition of canvec:sourceDate (valdate in the DB) is a good idea as
 well. Since it is an 8 char string, I'll leave it untouched. (Shp2osm.jar
 should strip any spaces though.) Note that the validation date of the wooded
 areas in the area I uploaded is 1982.

 By the way, should the source reflect the current year (2010)? I don't
 think this is necessary, since the import was started in 2009, although not
 much progress has been made so far.
 ai


Well, the 2010 import is going to be different, as it uses the python script
and will contain less bugs.   By changing it to this year, we can note in
the wiki that the 2009 imported data has 'known potential errors' and we can
list those.   So when people come across data that was imported in 2009,
these errors will be expected, and its known that it can be directly
replaced with the 2010 data.

Similar to the way the TIGER data in the US is treated.  A simple search in
the area for CanVec_Import_2009 then it can be directly compared, using
open jump to new data.

Perhaps we can go even further, and somehow indicate which canvec data
version was used, as right now the latest version is 5.0
http://geogratis.cgdi.gc.ca/geogratis/en/collection/28954.html where it is
only certain datasets that have that version #, the rest have version 4.0
etc or earlier.   As when an update happens (it might only be a few features
changed) the entire NTS tile is upgraded to the next version.)
This information is ALSO in the dataset.   So perhaps source:version=5.0?

And on that note, in order to keep up with the changes in the canvec
datasets, we will need to introduce (appropriatly named) CanBots.  These
will be programed to automatically download  convert  replace in touched
areas.
Fortunately this might not be needed, since OpenStreetMap has the advantage,
because we can work directly with the communities on the ground who can
donate their data directly to the database (as well as back to NRCan  the
provincial data compilers).

So in sum, i answered my own question.  Having the latest canvec dataset
version isn't needed. Just  CanVec_Import_2010 would be fine :-)

Cheers,
Sam

Cheers,

 Frank

 Sam Vekemans wrote:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/393821

 attribution = Natural Resources Canada
 canvec:CODE = 1240022
 canvec:UUID = cad1acc2f7794480a0c17cadeef4d3b7
 natural = wood
 source = CanVec_Import_2009
 type = multipolygon


 That looks fine.  I would remove that canvec:UUID tag as since now it is
 in the database it is free to edit, and to what we wish to.   But that's
 just me.   BTW, in the USA Tiger data, the UUID was removed as it has a
 'power fit' where it was treated as more valuable than regular users edits.
   That part (power fit) is not acceptable with OpenStreetMap.

 The canvec:sourceDate=* should be added (it available in the datasource)
 since that tells the users how old the data is and gives them a way to
 compare the data with their own datasets (ie. from municipalities directly)
 or from physical observations.  Change on the ground happens so fast that
 it's important to have it on all features.

 Its worth no note that this 'wooded_area' is simply just that, it has no
 boundaries, it just states at the time of surveying, this area has trees,
 and the wholes (inner polygons) dont have trees.  This 'wooded area' is not
 a designated area, so it's neithor a park/private land/protected area. When
 you look at the yahoo imagery (and future imagery) you can easily see what
 the currently status of the 'wooded_area' actually is.  But on the ground,
 you'll see what it's like today.

 So in sum, when your out mapping, feel free to adjust the edges of these
 polygons to accurately show where in fact the 'wooded_area' is today.   And
 if you know what the designation of the area is. ie. signs that say park
 area, you can add that in as an unfilled polygon border.

 Great to see no edges, nice fix.

 Cheers,
 Sam


 On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Frank Steggink 
 stegg...@steggink.orgmailto:
 stegg...@steggink.org wrote:

Hi all,

Today I have (finally) worked on large features in Canvec data
(forests,
water, etc.), and I have come up with a method how to deal with them.
This currently involves PostGIS, but maybe I'll use GEOS or another
method, so that it isn't necessary to load data in a DB. More details
will follow soon, since I need to clean up code / sort out things
a bit,
and eventually integrate it into the canvec_to_osm.py script.

Right now I've uploaded (only) wooded areas in the Charlevoix
region in
Quebec. This already makes the map look entirely different! The result

Re: [Talk-cz] Import adres z katastralni mapy

2010-01-25 Per discussione Petr Dlouhý

Ahoj,

stačí použít Dictionary, a už to funguje rozumě rychle (i když celá ČR asi
ještě ne - po minutě mi zabrala celou paměť).
Opravil jsem i pády při chybějících relacích, i když oprava je dost
quickdirty.

Posílám zdrojáky změněných souborů i funkční program.

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:37:08 +0100, Lukas Kabrt lu...@kabrt.cz wrote:



Problem to neni. Kdyz jsem program vytvarel, tak jsem nevedel o tom,
ze existuje vektorizovana mapa k.u. a tak jsem k.u. kreslil rucne.
Vzdycky jen par k.u., ktere jsem chtel zpracovat. Takze me rychlost
zpracovani OSM souboru nejak netrapila. Na vektorizovanou mapu jsem
narazil az kdyz jsem mel program hotovy a jeste jsem se nedostal k
tomu ho predelat - dalsi polozka do TODO listu :-)

Koukal jsem, ze by sla pouzit knihovna pro praci s OSM soubory z
programu Kosmos [1], takze s tim nakonec asi ani nebude tolik prace.

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kosmos
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Re: [Talk-cz] Seznam katastralnich uzemi s umistenim

2010-01-25 Per discussione Lukas Kabrt
Nazvy jsem zakomponoval do mapy k.u. [1]

Na mape je celkem 13036 relaci, nazvy ma prirazeno 13027 relaci.

Zbylych 9 relaci predstavuje oblasti, ktere budou prisluset k
nekteremu ze sousednich k.u., na mape jsou ale hranice tak blizko
sebe, ze tvori jednu caru a nejde poznat, kam oblast patri (priklad
[2], v JOSM otevrit a zobrazit prehledku z WMS CUZK).

Nechtel jsem vylozene hadat, kam oblast patri, takze jsem je nechal v
mape s oznacenim:
FIXME - Nejasna prislusnost ke k.u.

Treba se najde nekdo, kdo dane misto zna a napovi ...

Struktura dat
cesty, ktere tvori relace - bez oznaceni, nevim mam kazde ceste pridat
tag border: administrative?
relace
  name - nazev katastralniho uzemi
  ku:id - cislo katastralniho uzemi, nejaky lepsi napad?

Presnost dat
mam zkontolovano, ze vsechny k.u. jsou na mape, kazdemu je prirazena
prave jedna relace a nejsou tam zadne duplicity. Nekolik oblasti jsem
kontroloval rucne a zadne chyby jsem nenasel, to neznamená, že nikde
žádná chyba nebude (mohlo by se stát, že 2 k.u. budou prohozene).
Pokud na nějaký problém narazíte, tak se ozvěte.

Pro ucely rozpoznavani adres je tahle mapa vice nez dostatecna, pro
upload na server to bude chtit jeste par veci vymyslet / dodelat.

Priradit 9 oblasti oznacenych FIXME ke spravnym k.u.
Do mapy zadat hranice obci, okresu, kraju a CR (pokud vim tak vsechny
tyto hranice vychazeji z hranic k.u.)
Vyresit jak sloucit mapu na serveru s mapou k.u.
Zauvazovat nad tim jestli mapu trochu nezjednodusit (nyni ma neco malo
pres 100 nodu a na nekterych mistech sleduje kazdy zahyb kazdeho
potucku)
Rozhodnout jak spravne oznacit k.u., ktere je cele uvnitr jineho k.u.
(priklad - Josefov a Stare Mesto v Praze)?

[1] http://lkabrt.aspone.cz/osm/kucr.zip
[2] 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.30819lon=16.67873zoom=15layers=B000FTF
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Re: [Talk-cz] Soubor cr.map pro import adres

2010-01-25 Per discussione Petr Dlouhý
Ahoj,

tak posílám další verzi [1]. Předchozí měla špatně části jednotlivých obcí,
tahle je snad lepší. Úplně dokonalá ale stále není - jednak něco ani nejde
automaticky spojit (všiml jsem si například částí Liberce), a jednak tam
asi pořád budou chyby.

[1] http://www.flyshare.cz/stahni/45803/addr_map1.tar.bz2

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:45:45 +0100, Petr Dlouhý petr.dlo...@email.cz
wrote:

 Ahoj,

 tak už se mi to snad podařilo spojit [1]. Dělám to na základě názvu  
 okresu
 a obce a podobnosti jména katastrálního území.
 Používám k tomu seznam katastrálních území ze stránek CUZK a seznam ulic
 ze stránek MVČR, takže jestli si někdo myslí, že je to problém, tak
 řekněte. Osobně si myslím, že data z CUZK pouze použijeme a do mapy
 nebudeme importovat, takže to snad nevadí.

 Prosím zkontrolujte, jestli přiřazemí proběhlo dobře.

 [1] http://www.flyshare.cz/stahni/45772/addr_map.tar.bz2

 On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:35:24 +0100, Petr Dlouhý petr.dlo...@email.cz
 wrote:

 2) Nepodařilo se mi najít žádný klíč, podle kterého by bylo možné spojit
 databáze MVČR a CUZK. Do parametru name elementu territory jsem tedy
 doplnil jméno oblasti. Je tedy nutné doplnit tam u něčeho, pokud se
 jméno katastrálního území liší.




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