Re: Frozen Accidents

[Katherine Cochrane]

H  Maybe we could get Apple to make one, and maybe name it for a 
famous scientist, like Isaac whats-his-name??

(Not, not Asimov  ;-)
Cheers,
Kat
Thomas McGrath III wrote:
There is software that does writing with 'Gestures'. If you move the 
mouse/trackball in different movements it will 'write' text for you. I 
can't remember the name right now though.

I would absolutely love a tablet Mac OSX with touch screen. I have 
used pen input and speech input/recognition for a while and they are 
ok but I don't use them much. I do use a pen for drawing and sketching 
though.

TOm
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Re: Update to 2.5 from 2.2????

[Brian Yennie]

To do that, RunRev would have to register at least one signature for 
each customer, which doesn't seem practical. (Signatures aren't 
arbitrary; they're assigned by Apple, and it's a big no-no to roll 
your own because it risks tromping on a legitimate, assigned signature 
that's in use for another application.)
True... but I would guess that of the fraction of people who are 
actually filling out the creator code, even a fraction of that actually 
register their signatures.

I think I agree with Jacque - there's no really good way around this. 
I think HC defaulted to using a second creator signature (not 
HyperCard's, but another reserved one), and this may be the best that 
can be done, short of physically not permitting the user to build a 
standalone without entering a signature.
I guess it's all academic short of the developer actually going the 
whole 9 yards, but why would this be _better_ than a code generated to 
be unique to the developer? Sure it wouldn't be registered with Apple, 
but it would avoid conflicting with every other RunRev-made application 
out there...

(I think I'd put up a warning message when someone builds with the 
default signature, though, just for general awareness.)
Yah- awareness of the issue would probably trump a half solution for 
those that are affected!

- Brian
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Re: [off]gmail invites

[Vikram Singh]

hi
 
pl send me one
 
thanks
vikam

Mikey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm so rude! I've been in this group for a while and haven't offered
gmail invites! I have 50 (more) to pass out, if anybody is interested
in trying it out.

Mike.
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RE: To Rev or not to Rev

[MisterX]

I swear I never meant any offense and as someone who gets his name
mispelled all the time (even the Bury part to top it), i understand the
problem. 

I'll be certain to watch this. But why share my stupidity with the list?
That's not very nice either. But at least it got the point through ;)

Honestly, I never saw the complains about it either... 
Mikey, a public apology for my deficiency of "sight"... 

It wont happen again.

cheers
Xavier

"Sorry, I just regained consciousness"
(seen on the back of an orange Pinto named Odie)


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Ray
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 01:42
> To: Use Revolution List
> Subject: Re: To Rev or not to Rev
> 
> On 5/4/05 10:32 AM, "MisterX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Im sick of this non-sense - no offense to you Mickey...
> 
> Xavier... you *really* have to let up on the "c" key when 
> responding... The gentleman's name is Mikey, not Mickey, and 
> he has said that to you multiple times. My suggestion would 
> be that when you respond to his posts, that you double-check 
> your spelling before you submit it... otherwise you will 
> continue to offend him.
> 
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
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> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Writing a file to another computer on the LAN?

[sims]

At 1:38 AM +0200 5/5/05, Malte Brill wrote:
Anyone an idea/link to a tutorial on how to set up an FTP server on Mac Os X?

Google using "setting up ftp server on OS X" gave me the following:
http://www.creativemac.com/2002/09_sep/tutorials/ftposx0209242.htm
http://www.atpm.com/8.12/networking.shtml
http://home.earthlink.net/~dgreuel/howto.html
hth
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Re: Update to 2.5 from 2.2????

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 8:35 PM -0700 5/4/05, Brian Yennie wrote:
What if the Standalone Builder defaulted to a unique creator code 
based on your license information? Exclude common known creator 
codes also, and it would seem that different developers' standalones 
would no longer interfere with each other. An individual developer 
could of course carefully pick one.
To do that, RunRev would have to register at least one signature for 
each customer, which doesn't seem practical. (Signatures aren't 
arbitrary; they're assigned by Apple, and it's a big no-no to roll 
your own because it risks tromping on a legitimate, assigned 
signature that's in use for another application.)

I think I agree with Jacque - there's no really good way around this. 
I think HC defaulted to using a second creator signature (not 
HyperCard's, but another reserved one), and this may be the best that 
can be done, short of physically not permitting the user to build a 
standalone without entering a signature.

(I think I'd put up a warning message when someone builds with the 
default signature, though, just for general awareness.)
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Re: Linux/Unix folder paths

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 9:15 AM +1000 5/5/05, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
Where so you store preferences? I see that the specialFolderPath() 
function is Windows & Mac only, so how would I know where to store 
preferences on a Linux system?
I'm no guru, but in general, one puts preference files in the user's 
home directory ("~"). Traditionally, configuration files ought to 
have names that start with a period, such as ".myapplicationrc".

Where should an application be installed? And what if I want the 
application to be available to a particular user only e.g. on my Mac 
OS X system, I have /Applications for apps that everyone can use and 
/Users/sarah/Applications for apps that only I can use. The second 
is better if I need to write to the application folder as the user 
has write access to that folder even if not an admin user (at least 
I think that is correct).
If there's a "bin" (for "binary") directory in the user's home 
directory, you can put it there. Otherwise I'd put it directly in the 
homedir, probably.
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Re: Update to 2.5 from 2.2????

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 10:08 AM -0400 5/4/05, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
On May 4, 2005, at 6:08 AM, David Burgun wrote:
Sorry I understand how the desktop associations work, I really was 
just wondering *why* DreamCard and Revolution have the *same* 
creator signature ("Revo"). According to Apple, each Application 
should have a unique signature.
Well, technically they are two versions of the same program, and 
someone with only one or the other will want stacks created with the 
other one (the one they don't have) to be opened with what they do 
have, so it makes sense that they would both have the same code.
Actually, David is correct here: distinct applications ought to have 
distinct creator signatures. (This won't prevent both applications 
from opening the RSTK file type.) I filed a bug on this (2814); it 
should be easy for the team to fix.
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Re: Rev and Photoshop

[Brian Yennie]

Sivakatirswami,
If you are on Mac, you might try using AppleScript to control 
Photoshop. ImageReady also has some automation features involving 
variable placeholders that can be loaded from tab-delimited files, but 
I'm not sure if that would be useful for your metadata needs.

Does anyone know of a way to get Revolution to read and write to Adobe 
Photoshop's per image metadata?

real world scenario:  our photographer in Nepal (world famous, doesn't 
just work for us) Thomas Kelly... we just sent him on assignment to 
Sri Lanka. He's back now and has a kaJillion digital images that he 
wants to caption inside PhotoShop. Opening the file info for each one 
of these in Photoshop is a "killer" process. I tried to have our 
managing editor consider having the metadata as a separate 
fooPhoto.psd /fooPhoto.txt document pair,  for which I have many Rev 
apps that can easily preview thumbnailis and allow for data entry very 
quickly. And though one can see lot's of advantages of having this 
data as a separate file... the concept of the caption being part of 
the photo file itself seems to be "ingrained" as the only way to go...

Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.HinduismToday.com
www.Gurudeva.org
www.Hindu.org
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Rev and Photoshop

[Sivakatirswami]

Does anyone know of a way to get Revolution to read and write to Adobe 
Photoshop's per image metadata?

real world scenario:  our photographer in Nepal (world famous, doesn't 
just work for us) Thomas Kelly... we just sent him on assignment to Sri 
Lanka. He's back now and has a kaJillion digital images that he wants 
to caption inside PhotoShop. Opening the file info for each one of 
these in Photoshop is a "killer" process. I tried to have our managing 
editor consider having the metadata as a separate fooPhoto.psd 
/fooPhoto.txt document pair,  for which I have many Rev apps that can 
easily preview thumbnailis and allow for data entry very quickly. And 
though one can see lot's of advantages of having this data as a 
separate file... the concept of the caption being part of the photo 
file itself seems to be "ingrained" as the only way to go...

Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.HinduismToday.com
www.Gurudeva.org
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Re: Update to 2.5 from 2.2????

[Brian Yennie]

I don't see an easy solution for this. The standalone builder allows 
the developer to set the creator code for OS 9 standalones, and allows 
a custom plist for OS X standalones. But if the developer doesn't 
specify a unique code in the settings, the builder has to default to 
something. Maybe it should default to a code that isn't Rev's, but 
even so, everybody's standalones would still have the same one.
What if the Standalone Builder defaulted to a unique creator code based 
on your license information? Exclude common known creator codes also, 
and it would seem that different developers' standalones would no 
longer interfere with each other. An individual developer could of 
course carefully pick one.

Of course the proper solution is just to fill out the plist completely 
as with any other OS X application, and you won't have to worry about 
your application conflicting with others- but it seems like it could 
still work by default...

- Brian
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Re: Update to 2.5 from 2.2????

[J. Landman Gay]

On 5/4/05 9:08 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
Well, technically they are two versions of the same program, and someone 
with only one or the other will want stacks created with the other one 
(the one they don't have) to be opened with what they do have, so it 
makes sense that they would both have the same code.
They could have different creator codes and still open the same file 
types (stacks, in this case,) just as lots of different apps with 
different creator codes can open text files.


What is truly troublesome is that so many of the standalones created 
from Rev have not changed the creator code.  Thus double-clicking a 
stack icon can cause that stack to be opened in some oddball standalone 
app you downloaded from somewhere completely different!

And btw, I see this problem on OS X as well.
I don't see an easy solution for this. The standalone builder allows the 
developer to set the creator code for OS 9 standalones, and allows a 
custom plist for OS X standalones. But if the developer doesn't specify 
a unique code in the settings, the builder has to default to something. 
Maybe it should default to a code that isn't Rev's, but even so, 
everybody's standalones would still have the same one.

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Re: RegEx Help--Across Lines

[Jim Ault]

Just reviewed old posts and found this one about RegEx parsing HTML 
and cr (return) characters.  I wanted to pass along a little trick I 
found useful to extract tables into tab delimited format.

Premise:  An HTML document is formatted with spaces and cr's for the 
benefit of the programmer.  Basically the browser app ignores this 
white space in such a way that an HTML table will display correctly 
even with extra characters, such as multiple cr's, are sprinkled 
about.

The (?s) is good for searching past cr's, but it can make a 
difference if you wish to end up with a single cr defining a table 
row, rather than 2 or 3 or 4 cr's.  Also, this cr specific.

One of my first steps is to replace cr with string "".  This 
makes the entire block of HTML text a single line and no need for 
(?s),  It also makes spurious cr's easily identifiable by subsequent 
search commands, not to mention easily visible when checking your 
results. BBEdit in softwrap mode allows you to see all of the text 
even without the returns.

Of course, you could simply replace cr with "" in htmlTextBlock and 
there is no need for (?s) either.  The browser will display the same 
page, with or without the returns present.

As I mine data from HTML I find it useful to re-establish cr's at 
specific points, thus the  replacement allows me to reinsert cr's 
where desired and use loops that "repeat for the number of lines" for 
patterned data blocks.

Further   MMM[M]+   will locate all  or longer, no matter how 
many cr's were in a row,
using
get matchChunk(temp,"(MMM[M]+)", startChar, endChar)  ==> 4 to howevermany

-thus--
   put fld htmlTextToParse into temp
   put "z" into startChar
   repeat until startChar = ""
  -- note: the startChar and endChar vars do not have to be 
defined before matchChunk
  get matchChunk(temp,"(MMM[M]+)", startChar, endChar)
  -->you have to use parens in the regex string
  put return into char startChar to endChar of temp
  put return & startChar & "," & endChar after temp  -->for demo 
purposes only
   end repeat
   put return & "startChar, endChar list " after temp  -->for demo 
purposes only
   put temp  --> view the replacement, and the char list at the bottom

 ---will convert a run of cr's to a single cr.
Nested tables can be problematic, but I find that this technique 
allows me to establish my true output cr's in the cacophony of HTML 
source code formatting.

Hope this helps those who need to learn a bit more about the power of 
RegEx and Rev

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 11/20/04 8:20 PM, "Sivakatirswami" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 I am using Rev to repurpose old html to new CSS compliant mark up. The
 old pages are incredibly inconsistent.  Fortunately grep is our
 > friend.. I need a grep expression that will pass out the content from
 >
 > both #1:
  some title 
 and #2
  some title
 
 >
 > where the first instance has no line break but the second one does
Use the "(?s)" directive:
on mouseUp
  local tTitle
  put "some title"&cr&"" into tXML
  get matchText(tXML,"(?s)title>(.*?)
Note that you'll get the trailing CR after "some title" as well, so you'd
have to strip that out if you want to.
Check the docs at http://www.prce.org/man.txt - the "?s" directive
corresponts to PCRE_DOTALL, which causes the "." character to match all
characters, including newlines (CRs).
HTH,
Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: To Rev or not to Rev

[Stephen Barncard]

amen! I used to take Tom Pittman's advice for Compilit and use his 
notation for integers - % and they screamed with speed... and the old 
Hyperbasic XCMD generator had great array capabilities. I don't mind 
typing variables optionally if it speeds up things.

sqb
At 7:30 PM -0400 5/4/05, Dennis Brown wrote:
This BZ on arrays would be a welcome enhancement, but it would not 
improve the speed of processing arrays.  I was thinking along the 
lines of a high speed array processing instruction subset.  They 
would be less flexible than what we have now --the nice flexible 
data types, dynamic memory allocation, and flexible key names are 
what costs the operators so much time to execute.  Just let me 
define the dimensions and data size for a fixed memory allocation 
and provide operators that work on fixed data types.  It should fly 
through the array calculations at least ten times faster.  I just 
entered a BZ request for it.  If you agree, vote.

BZ# 2813
Dennis
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French list

[Marielle Lange]

Cher Dom,

Merci pour l'info. J'ai jeté un oeil. Le trafic a l'air en descente douce, en
effet. Domage, apparemment l'existence d'une liste française avait attiré des
petits commerces désireux d'employer des revolutionarios. [Babelfish ;-): Thank
you for information. I threw an eye. The traffic has the air in soft descent,
indeed. Domage, apparently the existence of a French list had attracted small
trade eager to employ revolutionarios.]

I am afraid, I do not expect to be able to be a regular on the French list. I
simply suffer from information overload. I am frankly unable to keep up with
the messages on this US list (I have 1136 unread _digests_ in my mailbox). I am
not a professional. I had some presence on the list this week because I really
needed to take my mind away from some stuff at work. Otherwise, the only time I
can afford to read the revolution emails or do some coding is at week-ends.

Best is probably to accept Ro's invitation to post in foreign languages on the
US list. Most of the posts are about code anyway and the code is always in
transcript, which is understood by everybody on this list (see
http://www.kenjikojima.com/runrev/handbook/index.html, for instance for
terrific stacks hidden behind the japanese text). But, yes, babelfish
translations are a reasonable request if we expect a vigilant moderation of
this list.

No shame to have when you write in another language anyway. "Try, try, try, and
keep on trying is the rule that must be followed to become an expert in
anything." [W. Clement Stone]

Amicalement,
Marielle
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Re: Linux/Unix folder paths

[Marielle Lange]

Hi Sarah,

On where to install applications on macs... the usage is to provide a disk image
with the instruction to drag and drop the software in the /Applications folder,
but to leave the user free to drag and drop the software wherever they want
without it affecting performance in any way. You should be able to get the path
to your application using:

   put the long id of this stack into tPath

(at least that works for uncompiled stacks)

Best,
Marielle

>Where should an application be installed? And what if I want the
>application to be available to a particular user only e.g. on my Mac OS
>X system, I have /Applications for apps that everyone can use and
>/Users/sarah/Applications for apps that only I can use. The second is
>better if I need to write to the application folder as the user has
>write access to that folder even if not an admin user (at least I think
>that is correct).

TIA,
Sarah
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Re: Writing a file to another computer on the LAN?

[Malte Brill]

Thanks Sarah!
(Did I mention I am dumb before? )
I like the applescript variant. This will simplify things a lot...
Cheers,
Malte
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Re: Writing a file to another computer on the LAN?

[Sarah Reichelt]

Thanks for your replys. Even though the tips for Win are useful they 
don´t really help at the moment, as I need to use a Mac with OsX.
I´ll bookmark them anyway, just in case. ;-)

The suggestion by Alex to set up FTP sounds good, but I have no idea 
how to do it. A quick goole search leads me to nowhere. Anyone an 
idea/link to a tutorial on how to set up an FTP server on Mac Os X?

Setting up an FTP server on Mac OS X is really complicated...
Go to the sharing system prefs and check "FTP Access" :-)
Take a note of the address that is then shown at the bottom of the 
window and that's what you can use to log in.

However, I just use personal file sharing, with a Rev script like this 
using AppleScript to connect:
tAddress is the IP address of the remote computer
tUser is the name of a valid user on that remote computer who is 
allowed to log in
tPass is their password

put "mount volume " & quote & "afp://" & tAddress & "/" & tUser & quote 
& \
" on server " & quote & tAddress & quote & " as user name " \
& quote & tUser & quote & " with password " & quote & tPass & quote 
into tScript
do tScript as AppleScript

Once you have done this, the remote computer's user folder appears on 
your desktop as an external drive and you can read & write using the 
URL commands.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: FineTune searching

[Mark Wieder]

Hugh-

Here's my take on what you presented:

function booleanMatch fineTuneLevel, pStr, pSrcString
  local blnReturn
  
  -- turn multiple lines into a stream
  replace cr with space in pSrcString
  put false into blnReturn
  
  --| Param fineTuneLevel:
  -- 1 = exact phrase
  -- 2 = all  words [AND]
  -- 3 = any string [OR]
  switch fineTuneLevel
  case 1 -- EXACT
filter pSrcString with "*" & pStr & "*"
put (pSrcString is not empty) into blnReturn
break
  case 2 -- ALL
repeat for each word w in pStr
  filter pSrcString with "*" & w & "*"
end repeat
put (pSrcString is not empty) into blnReturn
break
  default -- ANY
repeat for each word w in pStr
  if (w is in pSrcString) then
put true into blnReturn
-- no need to go on
exit repeat
  end if
end repeat
  end switch
  
  return blnReturn
end booleanMatch

-- 
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Re: Writing a file to another computer on the LAN?

[Malte Brill]

Ok folks, I´m dumb.
system preferences->Sharing->check ftp
Thanks Björnke!
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Re: To Rev or not to Rev

[Dennis Brown]

Pierre,
I am quite aware of these, and that is what I want to run 10 times  
faster than.  However, a lot can be done with the repeat for each  
more quickly than other Rev methods, but it can only be used with a  
single named array at a time.  I have entered a BZ request for an  
additional sequential array access method to give repeat for each  
speeds to any number of arrays at the same time.  If you would like  
to see this, cast your vote for BZ# 2773

Dennis
On May 4, 2005, at 7:42 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Be aware to see how combining the "repeat for each" statement (read- 
only) and the rev two-dimmensions arrays can be very usefull and  
fast running, lots faster than many well formated SQL queries, for  
an exemple...

Hope this can help,

This BZ on arrays would be a welcome enhancement, but it would not  
improve the speed of processing arrays.  I was thinking along the  
lines of a high speed array processing instruction subset.  They  
would be less flexible than what we have now --the nice flexible  
data types, dynamic memory allocation, and flexible key names are  
what costs the operators so much time to execute.  Just let me  
define the dimensions and data size for a fixed memory allocation  
and provide operators that work on fixed data types.  It should  
fly through the array calculations at least ten times faster.  I  
just entered a BZ request for it.  If you agree, vote.

BZ# 2813
Dennis
On May 4, 2005, at 3:13 PM, MisterX wrote:

the question mark made it red!!!
 
works better ;)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Richard Gaskin
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 21:08
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: To Rev or not to Rev
Gordon Webster wrote:

I totally agree with Dennis. Efficient arrays are the

missing link in

rev.


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Re: Quick Demo stack for creating Transpanrecy effect.

[Ken Ray]

On 5/4/05 3:09 PM, "jbv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've done that before : setting transparent pixels, replacing
> colors in an image, etc.

Have you managed to create transparent pixels in an image, but *not* ones of
the same color that are in an enclosed region (i.e. leave those opaque)?

For example, if you have a circle that is white on the inside and white in
the surrounding area of the bounds of the image rectangle, setting only
those white pixels *outside* the circle as transparent...


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Re: To Rev or not to Rev

[Ken Ray]

On 5/4/05 10:32 AM, "MisterX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Im sick of this non-sense - no offense to you Mickey...

Xavier... you *really* have to let up on the "c" key when responding... The
gentleman's name is Mikey, not Mickey, and he has said that to you multiple
times. My suggestion would be that when you respond to his posts, that you
double-check your spelling before you submit it... otherwise you will
continue to offend him.


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Re: To Rev or not to Rev

[Pierre Sahores]

Be aware to see how combining the "repeat for each" statement 
(read-only) and the rev two-dimmensions arrays can be very usefull and 
fast running, lots faster than many well formated SQL queries, for an 
exemple...

Hope this can help,
This BZ on arrays would be a welcome enhancement, but it would not 
improve the speed of processing arrays.  I was thinking along the 
lines of a high speed array processing instruction subset.  They would 
be less flexible than what we have now --the nice flexible data types, 
dynamic memory allocation, and flexible key names are what costs the 
operators so much time to execute.  Just let me define the dimensions 
and data size for a fixed memory allocation and provide operators that 
work on fixed data types.  It should fly through the array 
calculations at least ten times faster.  I just entered a BZ request 
for it.  If you agree, vote.

BZ# 2813
Dennis
On May 4, 2005, at 3:13 PM, MisterX wrote:
the question mark made it red!!!
 
works better ;)

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Gordon Webster wrote:
I totally agree with Dennis. Efficient arrays are the
missing link in
rev.

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Re: Writing a file to another computer on the LAN?

[Malte Brill]

Hi Chipp, Franz, Alex and all!
Thanks for your replys. Even though the tips for Win are useful they 
don´t really help at the moment, as I need to use a Mac with OsX.
I´ll bookmark them anyway, just in case. ;-)

The suggestion by Alex to set up FTP sounds good, but I have no idea 
how to do it. A quick goole search leads me to nowhere. Anyone an 
idea/link to a tutorial on how to set up an FTP server on Mac Os X?

Thanks,
Malte
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Re: Another STANDALONE query, I'm afraid

[Sarah Reichelt]

I now understand how to build a Standalone that saves data in a stack -
first make a "stub" stack, and then create your real stack as a 
substack,
and set the standalone options to treat it as a .rev file, so that the
standalone user can save to it.

My problem is that before I appreciated this, I had created a large 
stack as
a mainstack. Now I want to make it a substack of a new "stub" stack.

How do I do this? I hope it's a really simple question that I just 
can't see
the answer to...

Make your "Stub" stack as a sub stack of your current main Stack, which 
I will call "Main" for this example.
Go through all the sub-stacks in "Main" and use the popup button in the 
Basic section of the Stack Inspector to set their mainStack to "Stub".
Now set the mainStack of "Main" to "Stub".
If "Main" contains a lot of scripts that you want all sub stacks to be 
able to use, you can copy them all to "Stub", but I prefer to keep the 
splash screen stack almost empty, so I prefer enabling "Main" as  
library stack with: start using stack "Main"

HTH,
Sarah
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Re: To Rev or not to Rev

[Dennis Brown]

This BZ on arrays would be a welcome enhancement, but it would not  
improve the speed of processing arrays.  I was thinking along the  
lines of a high speed array processing instruction subset.  They  
would be less flexible than what we have now --the nice flexible data  
types, dynamic memory allocation, and flexible key names are what  
costs the operators so much time to execute.  Just let me define the  
dimensions and data size for a fixed memory allocation and provide  
operators that work on fixed data types.  It should fly through the  
array calculations at least ten times faster.  I just entered a BZ  
request for it.  If you agree, vote.

BZ# 2813
Dennis
On May 4, 2005, at 3:13 PM, MisterX wrote:
the question mark made it red!!!
 
works better ;)

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Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 21:08
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Subject: Re: To Rev or not to Rev
Gordon Webster wrote:
I totally agree with Dennis. Efficient arrays are the
missing link in
rev.

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Linux/Unix folder paths

[Sarah Reichelt]

Hello all you Linux/Unix gurus out there,
I was hoping someone would be able to tell me a few things about where 
such systems put various types of files.

Where so you store preferences? I see that the specialFolderPath() 
function is Windows & Mac only, so how would I know where to store 
preferences on a Linux system?

Where should an application be installed? And what if I want the 
application to be available to a particular user only e.g. on my Mac OS 
X system, I have /Applications for apps that everyone can use and 
/Users/sarah/Applications for apps that only I can use. The second is 
better if I need to write to the application folder as the user has 
write access to that folder even if not an admin user (at least I think 
that is correct).

TIA,
Sarah
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Re: To Rev or not to Rev

[Brian Yennie]

Xavier,
It's true, you can implement object-oriented concepts in Transcript, 
but that doesn't make it an object-oriented language.
You can write OO code in C - just implement C++ first and go from 
there, but that doesn't make C an OO environment.

The argument that you can get many of the benefits (and take some of 
the same tactics) in Rev as with true OO environments has merit, IMO, 
but saying that Revolution is OO is just taking liberty with the 
definition of Object-Oriented. Sure if you reinterpret the term based 
on what you think it should mean, you end up in one place- but if you 
associate "OO" with it's strict definition you're up a creek.

- Brian
Im sick of this non-sense - no offense to you Mickey...
Object oriented "technology" is just any way to refer semantically via 
a
programming language to operate on "generic" objects or objects 
derived from
those.

RR doesn't have a memory model but it's possible to create it with easy
commands.
And I'll quote Grady Booch "it is therefore the task of the developer 
to
distribute such behaviors so that they may be combined in interesting 
ways,
giving rise to the 'self-maintaining fire' that is the mark of a 
profound oo
architecture." Pg 167 The Best of Booch (Sigs Reference Library - 
Cambridge
Univ. Press)

Patterns, templates, polymorph*, abstraction, classes and all the rest 
are
just a matter of imagination or interpretation. If the "engine" doesn't
support the abstraction, you write it. If they dont support 
polimorph*, you
branch it. ez!

In Forth, it's like in C, you add a layer ++. Java, and others have 
it...
RunRev - doesn't have the abstraction? They do, but they is literally 
no
array handling to speak of compared to other mainstream languages. 
It's nice
to keep things easy but it makes the use and adaptability very weak 
IMOHO.
Sorry, it's reality...

In forth or c you could develop libraries to handle arrays with little
performance hits. In RunRev, it's another story...
With one exception... If a background behavior group is considered a 
class,
and a card in this group is an object then you jump one step ahead of 
any
other environment.

So... That's the TAOO object model base for data storage. It also 
works in
SQL or any other classic memory storage (arrays, folder/files, FMP 
layouts,
etc...)

My 2 TAOOcentric cents...
Critiques are welcome naturally!
Cheers
Xav
http://monsieurx.com/taoo
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To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: To Rev or not to Rev
On May 2, 2005, at 8:02 AM, Dennis Brown wrote:
On May 2, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote:

I'm not sure how to catalog Forth, but it's not OO (inherently --
there are OO implementations). It's procedural, certainly, but the
inherent stack gives it a definite functional feel.
Forth is not really a high level language any more than assembler
is.  It is an alternative machine language based on a double stack
architecture.   There have been hardware implementations of Forth
as the native machine instruction set.  When emulated, the "Code"
just consists of a list of addresses to the actual machine
code for
the native functions, or addresses of  "higher level" defined
function (uses a flag bit to tell which).  This makes it execute
much faster than "byte code".  You can implement a higher level
language within the syntax of Forth because of its extensible
nature.  "Words" are defined from other words in an interpretive
environment.  Because of the double stack architecture, data
arguments are passed and returned on one stack and return
addresses
are in the other stack.  It makes a very efficient and powerful
architecture for developing real time machine controllers with a
tiny amount of memory.  You are free to define "words" that
implement an OO environment if you choose.  You could even create
Rev using this as the lower level "P code", or an operating system
for that matter.
I understand how Forth works. I'm just not sure how I would
categorize it. On further reflection, I would say that Forth is
functional in about the same way that Revolution is Object-Oriented.
In other words, loosely. ;-)
I disagree that Forth is no more high-level than assembler is. The
built-in extensibility of Forth syntax makes it much more
than just a
convenient way of handling machine language.
gc
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Re: don`t piss me off

[Paul Salyers]

Dear Mr. X;
I downloaded rev, to try it out!! and they asked me, if i wanted some 
email. (very little. as it was put to me)!! and i haven`t even opened 
the file to try it out yet!!  and i seem to be getting hundreds of e mails 
in my box every day!!! and half are repeats. i am not happy about 
this! i am sorry to single you out, but  I noticed your name as 
frequent as anyones . please tell me how to stop this maddness. nothing 
personal toward you! but i am only allowd 2 meg in my email  box. and my 
friends can`t even send me a messege, because my box is so full with this 
stuff. is there any way you can help me? I think that i won`t be 
interested in this product at all, if this keeps up! I am not in some 
office just waiting to here about the next move on the pc, for the day. i 
was thinking about learning how to program my own software! i am a 
physically disabled vietnam vet, just trying to learn how to get by in 
todays world. can you give me any advice on this subject? i am just a poor 
ole farm boy, who don`t even understand what they are talking about, most 
of the time. i am only trying to learn! if people don`t piss me off! too 
bad, too soon!but take my word for it .nothing to do with you as to why i 
am upset! I guess i just needed someone to vent to.and again I am sorry 
about that, but i am just getting irritated about the emails. sorry to 
take it out on you! but i thought you might be able to help me, or set me 
on to  the right track, on who to talk to.
PLEASE HELP ME I am willing to learn, and want to learn but 
these people are overwellming me!!!i am sorry . i cant spell 
either!! can ya help me? thanks for letting me vent to you. i hope 
you don`t hold it against me personably either. THANKS AGAIN!  FRANK KNOX

Hummm,
This reminds some time back when I was with a email group you could sign up 
for email, and like here that also had a "unsubscribe" link more obvious 
than here and we had people emailing the group complaining about so many 
emails. Some would call the users names and yell at the incidence persons 
that joined. And their favorite statement Was "UNSUBSCRIBE ME NOW" like we 
could do something.

Well I hope this is an isolated incident and not a common problem.

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Re: Another STANDALONE query, I'm afraid

[Thomas McGrath III]

Specifies which main stack a substack belongs to.
set the mainStack of stack to mainStack
set the mainStack of this stack to "Central"
set the mainStack of stack "Hello" to "Goodbye"
HTH
TOm
On May 4, 2005, at 2:55 PM, John Ridge wrote:
I now understand how to build a Standalone that saves data in a stack -
first make a "stub" stack, and then create your real stack as a 
substack,
and set the standalone options to treat it as a .rev file, so that the
standalone user can save to it.

My problem is that before I appreciated this, I had created a large 
stack as
a mainstack. Now I want to make it a substack of a new "stub" stack.

How do I do this? I hope it's a really simple question that I just 
can't see
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Re: Frozen Accidents

[Thomas McGrath III]

There is software that does writing with 'Gestures'. If you move the 
mouse/trackball in different movements it will 'write' text for you. I 
can't remember the name right now though.

I would absolutely love a tablet Mac OSX with touch screen. I have used 
pen input and speech input/recognition for a while and they are ok but 
I don't use them much. I do use a pen for drawing and sketching though.

TOm
On May 4, 2005, at 2:25 PM, Rob Cozens wrote:
Xavier,
I'll buy your argument as soon as you can show me a trackball 
incorporating handwriting recognition..,

Rob
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FineTune searching

[FlexibleLearning]

 
Hi troops,
 
As part of a genealogy project, I needed a search that could be more or  less 
specific (and so give more or fewer matches) depending on the User's  
selection of 'Narrow, Wide, Wider'.
 
How have others resolved this?
 
function booleanMatch fineTuneLevel,tStr,tSrcString
  --| Param fineTuneLevel: 1 = exact phrase, 2 = all  words [AND], 3 = any 
string [OR]
if fineTuneLevel =1  then
# Whole match...
if num of  words of tStr=1 then
put (tStr is among the  words of tSrcString  OR\
tStr is among the  tokens of tSrcString) into isMATCH
else put tStr is in  tSrcString into isMATCH
else
# Partial  match...
repeat for each word w in  tStr
if fineTuneLevel =2  then
-- by  Word
put (w is among the words of  tSrcString  OR\
w is  among the tokens of tSrcString) &CR after  isMATCH
else
-- by  String
put (w is in tSrcString)  &CR after isMATCH # Each string
end  if
end repeat
end if
if TRUE is not in  isMATCH then return FALSE
if (fineTuneLevel is in "1,2") AND (FALSE is  in isMATCH) then return FALSE
else return TRUE
end  booleanMatch


/H
 
Hugh  Senior
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Re: don`t piss me off

[Bob Hartley]

At 18:46 04/05/2005, you wrote:
Hi Frank

Dear Mr. X;
I downloaded rev, to try it out!! and they asked me, if i wanted some 
email. (very little. as it was put to me)!! and i haven`t even opened 
the file to try it out yet!!  and i seem to be getting hundreds of e mails 
in my box every day!!! and half are repeats. i am not happy about 
this! i am sorry to single you out, but  I noticed your name as 
frequent as anyones . please tell me how to stop this maddness. nothing 
personal toward you! but i am only allowd 2 meg in my email  box. and my 
friends can`t even send me a messege, because my box is so full with this 
stuff. is there any way you can help me?
Don't worry. You can have two or three options.
1) unsubscribe from the list
2) use the digest mode like Heather suggested.
3) Get a new email account. There are many free services but the one I use 
for Armbase is simple and cheap.

You can get a domain, for example frankknox.com is available and simply get 
mail from www.purplecloud.net for 4pounds/year and that oncludes webmail. 
The Support from James and the lads at PC.net is excellent. If they have 
any downtime, eg 10 hours. They up your mail/web allocation for free.

Then, if you use a PC I would recommend something like mailwasherPro that 
you can use to delete unwanted mail serverside; or indeed simply use 
webmail via PC.net and delete them. Having multiple mailboxes on a hosting 
package allows you to selectively download you mail. IE my mail address is 
bob@ however I use [EMAIL PROTECTED] and can leave that until I require the download.

I think that i won`t be interested in this product at all, if this keeps 
up! I am not in some office just waiting to here about the next move on 
the pc, for the day. i was thinking about learning how to program my own 
software! i am a physically disabled vietnam vet, just trying to learn how 
to get by in todays world. can you give me any advice on this subject? i 
am just a poor ole farm boy, who don`t even understand what they are 
talking about, most of the time. i am only trying to learn! if people 
don`t piss me off! too bad, too soon!but take my word for it .nothing to 
do with you as to why i am upset! I guess i just needed someone to vent 
to.and again I am sorry about that, but i am just getting irritated about 
the emails. sorry to take it out on you! but i thought you might be able 
to help me, or set me on to  the right track, on who to talk to.

OK runrev is simple to use really simple. My first app was a file 
transfer app that directory walked and found all my microscope files and 
moved them from one server to my desk-machine. have a look 
http://www.gla.ac.uk/~rh82p/confocal.jpg
And have a look at the rev file. Download it from http://www.gla.ac.uk/~rh82p/

I did this in a day-2days without EVER programming anything before (NOTE: 
with the help of Klaus and Sarah and others on the list).

All the best in the future
Bob
PLEASE HELP ME I am willing to learn, and want to learn but 
these people are overwellming me!!!i am sorry . i cant spell 
either!! can ya help me? thanks for letting me vent to you. i hope 
you don`t hold it against me personably either. THANKS AGAIN!  FRANK KNOX
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Tiger again

[Lars Brehmer]

Not that the workaround isn't good enough for now, but I still have a  
very weird problem displaying a stack with a windowShape properly,  
and it just gets weirder!

I have a stack with an windowshape, that was the only thing not  
perfect after I installed Tiger.  Gordy has seen screenshots and  
apparently duplicated the problem and made suggestions (thanks  
again!), but what worked was repairing permissions, shutting down for  
several minutes and then restarting.  What is even stranger now is  
that the problem still crops up if I reboot my machine and open the  
standalone without having first opened the stack  in question (from  
the package contents of the standalone) in Rev !  What in the  
heck can this mean?

I have now repeated the process a few times, and it is always the  
same - boot up, open standalone - weird shape.  Open stack in Rev -  
weird shape!

Boot up, open stack in Rev - correct shape.  Open standalone -  
correct shape

I have rev and Tiger in both of my machines.  I guess my question is  
as follows:  should I trash rev on backup machine, restart and open  
the standalone to test this?  Does anyone have a good guess as to  
what would happen if someone else opened this standalone on a machine  
that never had Rev installed?

Anyone else have windowshape problems after installing Tiger?   It  
seems so odd that everything else works like a charm.  I am following  
all of the problems with Tiger in the Apple discussion boards and  
trying everything that others have had bad experiences with in Tiger,  
so far everything, and I do mean everything, has been smooth as silk  
in Tiger - just this one little peice of strangeness!

Ideas appreciated!
Cheers,
Lars
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Re: Quick Demo stack for creating Transpanrecy effect.

[jbv]

Chipp,

one more question : have you tried to use the replace function for
groups
of 4 bytes in the imagedata to speed up things, instead of checking
binary values
in the imagedata and then setting each byte of the alphadata ?

best,
JB

> Helping out a friend, I did this. It could be good for a number of
> things including:
>
> Creating cursors
> Creating transparent GIFs
> etc..
>
> in the messagebox:
>
> go URL "http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/altMakeTrans.rev";
>
> altMakeTransparent
> This is a small demo stack which has a neat function which can make a
> specific color transparent in an image.
>
> The demo makes all white pixels transparent. The function is in the
> script of the button, "Make White Transparent"
>
> -Chipp
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Re: OT : PearPC

[Derek Bump]

Chipp,
Thank you for the compliments.  I can't tell you how much I appreciate 
that coming from you.

The MacOS X port is coming along, but it's difficult trying to remember 
some of the differences between Mac and Windows. :)  The funny thing is 
that I grew up on a Mac.

I am working on a Linux port, but until 2.5.1 I was not ready to 
distribute it.  My hopes now are to release 2.7 on all 3 platforms. 
Hopefully that will help in my attempts for donations towards a Mac Mini.

So again, thank you.
Derek Bump
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Derek,
I just downloaded your JPEGCompress application. Very professional and 
what a wonderful set of features. I like it! You should definitely port 
to Mac and Linux.

best,
Chipp
Derek Bump wrote:
So thank you to who ever it was that brought up this topic.  I will 
now be able to bring JPEGCompress to Mac OS X (well, provided that Rev 
will work after it's downloaded).
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Re: Quick Demo stack for creating Transpanrecy effect.

[jbv]

I've done that before : setting transparent pixels, replacing
colors in an image, etc.
the problem with using the imagedata property is that it's
terribly slow... it works for small images (like in your example),
but for large images, better write an external...
JB

> Helping out a friend, I did this. It could be good for a number of
> things including:
>
> Creating cursors
> Creating transparent GIFs
> etc..
>
> in the messagebox:
>
> go URL "http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/altMakeTrans.rev";
>
> altMakeTransparent
> This is a small demo stack which has a neat function which can make a
> specific color transparent in an image.
>
> The demo makes all white pixels transparent. The function is in the
> script of the button, "Make White Transparent"
>
> -Chipp
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Re: Another STANDALONE query, I'm afraid

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
You technically don't need to.  Just include the actual stack in the 
same folder as the "stub" stack, and the standalone "stub" stack should 
find and open it, just as in the IDE.

If you really want to do this anyway, you need to make sure the "real" 
stack has no substacks of its own (only one layer deep allowed), then 
simply set its main stack (in the property inspector) to be the stub 
stack.  Save the stub stack.

Be weary of unhandled messages from the substack being obtained by the 
mainstack!

On May 4, 2005, at 2:55 PM, John Ridge wrote:
I now understand how to build a Standalone that saves data in a stack -
first make a "stub" stack, and then create your real stack as a 
substack,
and set the standalone options to treat it as a .rev file, so that the
standalone user can save to it.

My problem is that before I appreciated this, I had created a large 
stack as
a mainstack. Now I want to make it a substack of a new "stub" stack.

How do I do this? I hope it's a really simple question that I just 
can't see
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin)

iD8DBQFCeSmq7aqtWrR9cZoRAvaBAJ9crQclFmujD9CndphIxUxq+x6/aACfX61o
kZ8EkRvr/NnoigJjlh+ksvA=
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Quick Demo stack for creating Transpanrecy effect.

[Chipp Walters]

Helping out a friend, I did this. It could be good for a number of 
things including:

Creating cursors
Creating transparent GIFs
etc..
in the messagebox:
go URL "http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/altMakeTrans.rev";
altMakeTransparent
This is a small demo stack which has a neat function which can make a 
specific color transparent in an image.

The demo makes all white pixels transparent. The function is in the 
script of the button, "Make White Transparent"

-Chipp
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Re: Contributions in languages other than English

[Dom]

Marielle Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It is not a question of politeness, but of self-restraint. Foreign
> speakers will usually refrain from contributing until they are confident
> enough about writing in English.

Please note that there IS a french-speakig RR List ;-)
But the traffic is very low, there... if someone wants an answer at his
question, one has to go to the english-speaking List.

<*> Pour consulter votre groupe en ligne, accédez à :
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RE: To Rev or not to Rev

[MisterX]

the question mark made it red!!!

 

works better ;)

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Gaskin
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 21:08
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: To Rev or not to Rev
> 
> Gordon Webster wrote:
> > I totally agree with Dennis. Efficient arrays are the 
> missing link in 
> > rev.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Another STANDALONE query, I'm afraid

[MisterX]

The answer is in a TAOO folder structure. 

Spread your stacks in one or many subfolders depending on the
context. Your application knows where to search and
the rest is go to stack x...

The best is to have one engine and many data files you
can upgrade without modifying the engine...

cheers
Xav 
http://monsieurx.com/taoo

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> John Ridge
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 20:56
> To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Another STANDALONE query, I'm afraid
> 
> I now understand how to build a Standalone that saves data in 
> a stack - first make a "stub" stack, and then create your 
> real stack as a substack, and set the standalone options to 
> treat it as a .rev file, so that the standalone user can save to it.
> 
> My problem is that before I appreciated this, I had created a 
> large stack as a mainstack. Now I want to make it a substack 
> of a new "stub" stack.
> 
> How do I do this? I hope it's a really simple question that I 
> just can't see the answer to...
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Re: To Rev or not to Rev

[Richard Gaskin]

Gordon Webster wrote:
I totally agree with Dennis. Efficient arrays are the
missing link in rev.

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Another STANDALONE query, I'm afraid

[John Ridge]

I now understand how to build a Standalone that saves data in a stack -
first make a "stub" stack, and then create your real stack as a substack,
and set the standalone options to treat it as a .rev file, so that the
standalone user can save to it.

My problem is that before I appreciated this, I had created a large stack as
a mainstack. Now I want to make it a substack of a new "stub" stack.

How do I do this? I hope it's a really simple question that I just can't see
the answer to...
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[off]gmail invites

[Mikey]

I'm so rude!  I've been in this group for a while and haven't offered
gmail invites!  I have 50 (more) to pass out, if anybody is interested
in trying it out.

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RE: Frozen Accidents

[MisterX]

Rob,

Will you take speech recog as in any GSM? 

I can have it routed to HyperCard any time for you! ;)

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 20:26
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: RE: Frozen Accidents
> 
> Xavier,
> 
> I'll buy your argument as soon as you can show me a trackball 
> incorporating handwriting recognition..,
> 
> Rob 
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RE: Frozen Accidents

[Rob Cozens]

Xavier,
I'll buy your argument as soon as you can show me a trackball incorporating 
handwriting recognition..,

Rob 

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Re: Frozen Accidents

[Mikey]

And to think I was so excited when I got an Outback portable back in 90 or so.

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Re: Internet Time

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> It is GMT whether you do not believe or not.
What?
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Re: Internet Time

[Kenji Kojima]

It is GMT whether you do not believe or not.
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On May 4, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Mikey wrote:
You can get GMT on Mac OSX
 put shell("date -u")
Windows Internet Time works correctly.

It's not GMT that is the problem for all of us, it's DST, which is
difficult to obtain because of the way that the seconds is calculated.
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Re: don`t piss me off

[Heather Nagey]

Dear Frank,

Don't Panic! Evidently you checked the box to subscribe you to the use-list,
not realising how extremely helpful and chatty the good folks on this list
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has the effect of gathering up all the individual posts into one or two
"magazine" daily posts. This is a much more manageable way to receive the
list. You can set your preferences by going to the same url, if you scroll
to the bottom of the page you will see the area where you can manage your
list subscription.

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Regards, and welcome,

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> Dear Mr. X;
> I downloaded rev, to try it out!! and they asked me, if i wanted some email.
> (very little. as it was put to me)!! and i haven`t even opened the file to
> try it out yet!!  and i seem to be getting hundreds of e mails in my box every
> day!!! and half are repeats. i am not happy about this! i am sorry to
> single you out, but  I noticed your name as frequent as anyones . please tell
> me how to stop this maddness. nothing personal toward you! but i am only
> allowd 2 meg in my email  box. and my friends can`t even send me a messege,
> because my box is so full with this stuff. is there any way you can help me? I
> think that i won`t be interested in this product at all, if this keeps up! I
> am not in some office just waiting to here about the next move on the pc, for
> the day. i was thinking about learning how to program my own software! i am a
> physically disabled vietnam vet, just trying to learn how to get by in todays
> world. can you give me any advice on this subject? i am just a poor ole farm
> boy, who don`t even understand what they are talking about, most of the time.
> i am only trying to learn! if people don`t piss me off! too bad, too soon!but
> take my word for it .nothing to do with you as to why i am upset! I guess i
> just needed someone to vent to.and again I am sorry about that, but i am just
> getting irritated about the emails. sorry to take it out on you! but i thought
> you might be able to help me, or set me on to  the right track, on who to talk
> to.
> PLEASE HELP ME I am willing to learn, and want to learn but these
> people are overwellming me!!!i am sorry . i cant spell either!! can ya
> help me? thanks for letting me vent to you. i hope you don`t hold it against
> me personably either. THANKS AGAIN!  FRANK KNOX

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Re: don`t piss me off

[Richard Gaskin]

frank knox wrote:
> I downloaded rev, to try it out!! and they asked me, if i wanted
> some email. (very little. as it was put to me)!! and i
> haven`t even opened the file to try it out yet!!  and i seem
> to be getting hundreds of e mails in my box every day!!!
It's called a discussion list. It's fully optional, and after you choose 
to subscribe you can also choose to unsubscribe.

Have you tried the link included at the bottom of every post?:

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RE: Corrupted Stack

[MisterX]

Piece of cake!

If you strip any character that's above or below a certain ASCII level, you
should have a text file with the content of your stack that can be easily
parsed to restore the stack. Most "objects" are delimited. I've done so a
zillion times it seems...

But to be honest, I haven't written the stack to recuperate or fix corrupted
stacks yet, but i have lots of hypercard stacks I can't port - including a
14000 Mac icon library that's a shame to throw away... But c'est la vie...
The funniest is that my script extractor HC stack is corrupted too ;)

Challenge:

For 1500 EUs or a free ticket 1-2 week trip to
Luxembourg-Chicago-Monterey-Luxembourg, i'll write an opensource free stack
parser/stack reconstructor... 

Monterey or bust! ;)

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Gaskin
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 17:41
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Corrupted Stack
> 
> David Burgun wrote:
> > Is the Structure of a Stack File published anywhere?
> 
> Not to my knowledge, as with most commercial formats it's 
> considered proprietary.
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don`t piss me off

[frank knox]

- Original Message -
From: MisterX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'How to use Revolution'" 
Subject: RE: Drawing a straight line
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 16:03:59 +0200

> 
> i know this will sound silly but you should know you can use a ruler
> to draw the line straight with your mouse...
> 
> If you dont have a ruler, use the keyboard or your head! ;)
> 
> ;)
> cheers
> Xav
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> > Scott Slaugh
Dear Mr. X;
I downloaded rev, to try it out!! and they asked me, if i wanted some email. 
(very little. as it was put to me)!! and i haven`t even opened the file to 
try it out yet!!  and i seem to be getting hundreds of e mails in my box every 
day!!! and half are repeats. i am not happy about this! i am sorry to 
single you out, but  I noticed your name as frequent as anyones . please tell 
me how to stop this maddness. nothing personal toward you! but i am only allowd 
2 meg in my email  box. and my friends can`t even send me a messege, because my 
box is so full with this stuff. is there any way you can help me? I think that 
i won`t be interested in this product at all, if this keeps up! I am not in 
some office just waiting to here about the next move on the pc, for the day. i 
was thinking about learning how to program my own software! i am a physically 
disabled vietnam vet, just trying to learn how to get by in todays world. can 
you give me any advice on this subject? i am just a poor ole farm boy, who 
don`t even understand what they are talking about, most of the time. i am only 
trying to learn! if people don`t piss me off! too bad, too soon!but take my 
word for it .nothing to do with you as to why i am upset! I guess i just needed 
someone to vent to.and again I am sorry about that, but i am just getting 
irritated about the emails. sorry to take it out on you! but i thought you 
might be able to help me, or set me on to  the right track, on who to talk to.
PLEASE HELP ME I am willing to learn, and want to learn but these 
people are overwellming me!!!i am sorry . i cant spell either!! can ya 
help me? thanks for letting me vent to you. i hope you don`t hold it against me 
personably either. THANKS AGAIN!  FRANK KNOX
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Contributions in languages other than English

[Marielle Lange]

Hi Ro,

I am not sure the issue there is politeness. The translation of your post to
French and back from French to English is the following (and, believe me, it is
worse in French than the translation back to English):

>Frankly, I do not have any problem with a (road) post in an alternative
>language. Obviously, English is here the prevalence one. However, a
>(road) post in for example the French will attract certainly all
>the French-speaking people together! :) However, it is only polished
>[ and me think ListMom made to him a rule ] to also announce a
> translation of babelfish of your post or your best effort to
>the translation.

Imagine you are a non-native. How would you feel about publishing this on the
revolution list? Would you dare put a post that consists in a babelfish
translation on a Russian list (assuming you do not know a word of Russian)? As
a native, what is your first impression (you know, the one that counts so much)
of the writer of the babelfish post above?

It is not a question of politeness, but of self-restraint. Foreign speakers will
usually refrain from contributing until they are confident enough about writing
in English.

Politeness possibly rather recommends a babelfish link to be automatically added
at the bottom of all posts, including the ones in English. ;-)... The wiki I use
(http://revolution.lexicall.org/wiki/) does that, why not copy their script? Why
not also use it on the revolution website?

Marielle
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Re: Profiling? Odd delay on windows

[Peter T. Evensen]

No, they are all png and jpgs, which are also on the first screen, so the 
QT engine should be loaded already.

At 10:26 AM 5/4/2005, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Peter T. Evensen wrote:
No, I'm not locking the screen.  This only happens on  Windows.  I put a 
beep at the end of the preOpenCard and a beep at the beginning of 
openCard and there is a 1-2 second delay between the beeps.
Not visual effects are involved (that I'm aware of).  The page I'm going 
to just has several graphics on it.
Are any of those graphics in PICT format?  I believe the engine uses QT to 
render those.

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Re: Revolution in Education - ANNOUNCING New List

[Mark Wieder]

Ro-

Wednesday, May 4, 2005, 5:56:51 AM, you wrote:

RN> It's just brand new, Mark. It's only been reactivated in the last 72
RN> hours. Is there a way to kick Google awake? ;)

I don't know if it activates their indexing, but this should help:

http://www.google.com/addurl/?continue=/addurl

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RE: Frozen Accidents

[MisterX]

A pen is easily broken, lost, etc...
And you can't loose a trackball or breakit!

And you only need one hand to operate the world!

Gotcha! ;)

The pen is quicker to point to the screen though
as i remember from my wacom pad on my venerable
last PowerMac 8500...

And i had speech recognition doing my applescript
batches too then! Such were good times!

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> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Cozens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 18:17
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; How to use Revolution
> Subject: RE: Frozen Accidents
> 
> Xman,
> 
> >I beat you to it in 1996!
> >
> >http://www.monsieurx.com/design/xpim.html
> 
> Close, my friend, but you missed the part about the pen being 
> mightier than 
> the track ball.   :{`)
> 
> Rob 
> 

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Re: Publish and Subscribe iCal with RunRev

[zack]

Thanks for this. It looks interesting. I will check it out.

But I still would prefer to do it with RunRev if possible. This project is
as much educational for me then anything else.

Thanks

Zack

On 5/4/05 9:50 AM, "Frank D. Engel, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> This is already a solved problem:
> 
> http://www.k5n.us/webcalendar.php
> 
> 
> hth



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RE: Frozen Accidents

[Rob Cozens]

Xman,
I beat you to it in 1996!
http://www.monsieurx.com/design/xpim.html
Close, my friend, but you missed the part about the pen being mightier than 
the track ball.   :{`)

Rob 

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Re: Publish and Subscribe iCal with RunRev

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

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This is already a solved problem:
http://www.k5n.us/webcalendar.php
hth
On May 4, 2005, at 12:29 PM, zack wrote:
Hello everyone,
I have a dream!
I want my calendar displayed in Apple's iCal (or other vCal client) 
but I
want the data stored in a database so I can integrate it into group and
corporate databases systems.

My thought was that I could use RunRev to create a little server that
accepts iCal publish and subscribe requests, then parses the data and 
flings
it into (or pulls it from) an ODBC database of my choice.

Does anybody have any thoughts or ideas about this approach?  I am 
pretty
new to RunRev so any tips pointers or other ideas would be appreciated.

What do you think?
zack
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Publish and Subscribe iCal with RunRev

[zack]

Hello everyone,

I have a dream!

I want my calendar displayed in Apple's iCal (or other vCal client) but I
want the data stored in a database so I can integrate it into group and
corporate databases systems.

My thought was that I could use RunRev to create a little server that
accepts iCal publish and subscribe requests, then parses the data and flings
it into (or pulls it from) an ODBC database of my choice.

Does anybody have any thoughts or ideas about this approach?  I am pretty
new to RunRev so any tips pointers or other ideas would be appreciated.

What do you think?

zack


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Re-2: Writing a file to another computer on the LAN?

[boehmisch]

Hallo Malte, hi Chipp

The syntax on win machines for creating a path mapping from an UNC path to a ms 
drive letter:

net use q: \\server\share\path persistent:yes

If you need specifiing access rights you can do

net use q: \\server\share\path mypassWrd /USER:maltedomain\malte persistent:yes

If the server/PC can be reached by the filesystem through TCP/IP (even over a 
VPN connection) you can use this syntax.

syntax cf. http://www.computerhope.com/nethlp.htm (or just type "net use /?")

in runrev:
set the hideConsoleWindows to true
get shell("net use q: \\192.168.20.1\share1\path ")
get shell("net use z: \\192.168.20.2\share2\path ")

Then you can put the file from q: to z:

and after the session you could delete the mapping
set the hideConsoleWindows to true
get shell("net use q: /delete ")
get shell("net use z: /delete ")

for the next sessions.

if runrev cant do the copy just use xcopy
type "xcopy /?" on win

Greetings,
Franz

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Franz Böhmisch
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Original Messageprocessed by David InfoCenter
Subject: Re: Writing a file to another computer on the LAN? (04-Mai-2005 17:19)
From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hi Malte,

I would recommend creating a shared folder on the 'networked' drive,
then trying to 'drag/drop' a file from your computer to it to make sure
it works. If it does, then you can map it to a drive letter, and simply
use the put URL form:

put URL "file:C:/test.txt" into URL "file:X:/test.txt"

HTH,

Chipp
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Re: naming variables...

[Dennis Brown]

It is not a scripting error if you are following the Reference  
Documentation supplied with Rev:
---
How do I create and use a numbered set of variables?

To easily create a set of variables with similar names (such as  
"myVar1", "myVar2",...,"myVar20"), you can use the concatenation  
operator &.

The following example shows how to use a set of variables named  
"myVar1", "myVar2",...,"myVar20":

  repeat with x = 1 to 20
put empty into ("myVar" & x)
  end repeat
---'
Notice no mention of the do command.  This is what tripped me up.  I  
entered a BZ for it:   #2753

Dennis
On May 4, 2005, at 8:09 AM, Brian Yennie wrote:
Yikes. I hope RunRev fixes this- I've seen it come up at least  
twice now on the list and it's an obvious scripting error.
The solution is to use the "do" command. This is similar to the  
"eval" function you find in many other languages- basically you  
dynamically generate the line of code, and then "do" will execute  
it at runtime.

## "do" something
repeat with x=1 to 20
put ("fld a"&x&" into myVar"&x) into myCode
## myCode => the string "put fld a1 into myVar1"
do myCode
end repeat
One cool sidenote- you can also use the "do" command to execute  
code from any other OSA scripting language installed if you are on  
MacOS, which usually means AppleScript.

The other way to access "outside" code is to use shell() in order  
to run command-line commands, but now I'm straying...

HTH,
Brian

Hello all,
how does it come that the simple "How do I create and use a  
numbered set of variables?" example
does not work in 2.5.1 ?

I badly need to collect contents of flds into variables which are  
used later in the script...

 repeat with x = 1 to 20
put fld ("a"&x) into ("myVar" & x)
  end repeat
--> returns error : bad destination ???
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Re: New group disappears

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

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Well, that does seem to indicate that you worked around the problem 
awhile, which to Rev's mind seemingly reduces the "urgency" of the 
bug...

Also, that was *only* posted this past November (6-7 months ago), 
compared to some of the other bugs out there...


On May 4, 2005, at 12:02 PM, MisterX wrote:
yes but it doesn't guarantee you will ever get a solution for it
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2341
But there's always a kind soul to write a workaround ;)
cheers
Xav
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Dennis Brown
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 17:50
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: New group disappears
  I was wondering if this is a Rev stability bug that is
repeatable enough to make a BZ entry.
Dennis
On May 4, 2005, at 6:24 AM, David Burgun wrote:
Hi,
I either just rename the group and then remove/add objects, or I do
this:
Select the Group
Ungroup them
Save  < This seems to kill the Group DEAD!
Regroup as Desired
All the Best
Dave

On May 3, 2005, at 7:59 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

Dennis-
Tuesday, May 3, 2005, 2:43:41 PM, you wrote:
DB> I select a group of controls and fields.  I ungroup them.  I
select a
Why? If you're trying to edit the individual controls, use the
unfortunately-named "Select Grouped" button instead.
I was using one stack/card saved as, for a template for a
new stack,
and I was removing the groups but saving the controls to
create new
groups.

DB> What is going on?  How do I get my missing controls back?
Doesn't happen here, but guess is that you've got another pane on
your card that they're disappearing behind.
It is a simple one card stack, nothing to hide behind.
Besides, the
newly created group did not exist in the inspector, just
the vanished
controls.  So the controls were invisible because they
were part of a
non-existent group that obviously could not be displayed.

Control-click or right-click on them in the app browser,
select the
property inspector, then go the the Object menu and
select "Bring to
Front".
Thanks, I will try that next time it happens.
Dennis
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RE: New group disappears

[MisterX]

yes but it doesn't guarantee you will ever get a solution for it

http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2341 

But there's always a kind soul to write a workaround ;)

cheers
Xav

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Dennis Brown
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 17:50
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: New group disappears
> 
>   I was wondering if this is a Rev stability bug that is 
> repeatable enough to make a BZ entry.
> 
> Dennis
> 
> On May 4, 2005, at 6:24 AM, David Burgun wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I either just rename the group and then remove/add objects, or I do
> > this:
> >
> > Select the Group
> > Ungroup them
> > Save  < This seems to kill the Group DEAD!
> > Regroup as Desired
> >
> > All the Best
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >> On May 3, 2005, at 7:59 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Dennis-
> >>>
> >>> Tuesday, May 3, 2005, 2:43:41 PM, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>> DB> I select a group of controls and fields.  I ungroup them.  I
> >>> select a
> >>>
> >>> Why? If you're trying to edit the individual controls, use the 
> >>> unfortunately-named "Select Grouped" button instead.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I was using one stack/card saved as, for a template for a 
> new stack, 
> >> and I was removing the groups but saving the controls to 
> create new 
> >> groups.
> >>
> >>
> >>> DB> What is going on?  How do I get my missing controls back?
> >>>
> >>> Doesn't happen here, but guess is that you've got another pane on 
> >>> your card that they're disappearing behind.
> >>>
> >>
> >> It is a simple one card stack, nothing to hide behind.  
> Besides, the 
> >> newly created group did not exist in the inspector, just 
> the vanished 
> >> controls.  So the controls were invisible because they 
> were part of a 
> >> non-existent group that obviously could not be displayed.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Control-click or right-click on them in the app browser, 
> select the 
> >>> property inspector, then go the the Object menu and 
> select "Bring to 
> >>> Front".
> >>>
> >>
> >> Thanks, I will try that next time it happens.
> >>
> >> Dennis
> >>
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RE: Frozen Accidents

[MisterX]

Rob, et al

I beat you to it in 1996!

http://www.monsieurx.com/design/xpim.html

;)


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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Rob Cozens
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 17:48
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Frozen Accidents
> 
> Lynn, Dan, Gordon, et al:
> 
> > > >> It's never about the technology. I've seen so
> > > many great
> > > >> technologies buried by inferior products that had
> > > either more
> > > >> marketing money or better lawyers than I've seen
> > > succeed.
> 
> Add to that "ineptitude or failure to appreciate the market 
> potential on the part of management" (eg: Softech 
> Microsystems decision to charge $400 for the UCSD-p System 
> for the original IBM PC when Microsoft was selling PC-DOS for 
> $40), and I couldn't agree more.
> 
> Which is why I feel Apple will continue to loose market share 
> if it cannot bring touch screen, handwriting recognition, pen 
> input, voice recognition, and WiFi technology to market 
> bundled a la the various Windows Tablet PCs.  Having used a 
> TPC for about six months now, nothing would entice me to put 
> down my pen and reach for a mouse, keyboard, track pad, or track ball.
> 
> Rob Cozens CCW
> Serendipity Software Company
> 
> "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
>   Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
> 
>   from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) 
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Re: To Rev or not to Rev

[Gordon Webster]

I totally agree with Dennis. Efficient arrays are the
missing link in rev.

Gordon


--- Dennis Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On May 4, 2005, at 10:43 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
> 
> > On May 2, 2005, at 8:02 AM, Dennis Brown wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On May 2, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> I'm not sure how to catalog Forth, but it's not
> OO (inherently --  
> >>> there are OO implementations). It's procedural,
> certainly, but  
> >>> the inherent stack gives it a definite
> functional feel.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Forth is not really a high level language any
> more than assembler  
> >> is.  It is an alternative machine language based
> on a double stack  
> >> architecture.   There have been hardware
> implementations of Forth  
> >> as the native machine instruction set.  When
> emulated, the "Code"  
> >> just consists of a list of addresses to the
> actual machine code  
> >> for the native functions, or addresses of 
> "higher level" defined  
> >> function (uses a flag bit to tell which).  This
> makes it execute  
> >> much faster than "byte code".  You can implement
> a higher level  
> >> language within the syntax of Forth because of
> its extensible  
> >> nature.  "Words" are defined from other words in
> an interpretive  
> >> environment.  Because of the double stack
> architecture, data  
> >> arguments are passed and returned on one stack
> and return  
> >> addresses are in the other stack.  It makes a
> very efficient and  
> >> powerful architecture for developing real time
> machine controllers  
> >> with a tiny amount of memory.  You are free to
> define "words" that  
> >> implement an OO environment if you choose.  You
> could even create  
> >> Rev using this as the lower level "P code", or an
> operating system  
> >> for that matter.
> >>
> >
> > I understand how Forth works. I'm just not sure
> how I would  
> > categorize it. On further reflection, I would say
> that Forth is  
> > functional in about the same way that Revolution
> is Object- 
> > Oriented. In other words, loosely. ;-)
> >
> > I disagree that Forth is no more high-level than
> assembler is. The  
> > built-in extensibility of Forth syntax makes it
> much more than just  
> > a convenient way of handling machine language.
> 
> I was referring to the "native" instruction words as
> being like  
> assembler.  In fact now days, microprocessors like
> the G5 etc. have  
> much higher level functionality than Forth.  Just as
> you can write  
> macros in assembler that implement a pseudo higher
> level language of  
> your design, Forth gives the same ability in a very
> convenient  
> defined way.  I liked Forth a lot twenty years ago
> when I was playing  
> with it.  If one were to redesign it again today, a
> much more robust  
> set of native words could be created for modern
> microprocessors and  
> methods.  But I have found that the UI is really 90%
> of programming  
> these days, and for that you can't beat Rev.  I just
> want fast fixed  
> type array processing for the other 10% of the
> program with a  
> seamless interface between the two.  Rev is plenty
> fast for most  
> stuff, but an order of magnitude too slow for the
> array stuff.
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Re: New group disappears

[Dennis Brown]

 I was wondering if this is a Rev stability bug that is repeatable  
enough to make a BZ entry.

Dennis
On May 4, 2005, at 6:24 AM, David Burgun wrote:
Hi,
I either just rename the group and then remove/add objects, or I do  
this:

Select the Group
Ungroup them
Save  < This seems to kill the Group DEAD!
Regroup as Desired
All the Best
Dave

On May 3, 2005, at 7:59 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

Dennis-
Tuesday, May 3, 2005, 2:43:41 PM, you wrote:
DB> I select a group of controls and fields.  I ungroup them.  I  
select a

Why? If you're trying to edit the individual controls, use the
unfortunately-named "Select Grouped" button instead.
I was using one stack/card saved as, for a template for a new  
stack, and I was removing the groups but saving the controls to  
create new groups.


DB> What is going on?  How do I get my missing controls back?
Doesn't happen here, but guess is that you've got another pane on  
your
card that they're disappearing behind.

It is a simple one card stack, nothing to hide behind.  Besides,  
the newly created group did not exist in the inspector, just the  
vanished controls.  So the controls were invisible because they  
were part of a non-existent group that obviously could not be  
displayed.


Control-click or right-click on them in the app browser, select the
property inspector, then go the the Object menu and select "Bring to
Front".
Thanks, I will try that next time it happens.
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Re: Frozen Accidents

[Rob Cozens]

Lynn, Dan, Gordon, et al:
> >> It's never about the technology. I've seen so
> many great
> >> technologies buried by inferior products that had
> either more
> >> marketing money or better lawyers than I've seen
> succeed.
Add to that "ineptitude or failure to appreciate the market potential on 
the part of management" (eg: Softech Microsystems decision to charge $400 
for the UCSD-p System for the original IBM PC when Microsoft was selling 
PC-DOS for $40), and I couldn't agree more.

Which is why I feel Apple will continue to loose market share if it cannot 
bring touch screen, handwriting recognition, pen input, voice recognition, 
and WiFi technology to market bundled a la the various Windows Tablet 
PCs.  Having used a TPC for about six months now, nothing would entice me 
to put down my pen and reach for a mouse, keyboard, track pad, or track ball.

Rob Cozens CCW
Serendipity Software Company
"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
 Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
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Re: Corrupted Stack

[Richard Gaskin]

David Burgun wrote:
Is the Structure of a Stack File published anywhere?
Not to my knowledge, as with most commercial formats it's considered 
proprietary.

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RE: To Rev or not to Rev

[MisterX]

Im sick of this non-sense - no offense to you Mickey...

Object oriented "technology" is just any way to refer semantically via a
programming language to operate on "generic" objects or objects derived from
those.

RR doesn't have a memory model but it's possible to create it with easy
commands. 

And I'll quote Grady Booch "it is therefore the task of the developer to
distribute such behaviors so that they may be combined in interesting ways,
giving rise to the 'self-maintaining fire' that is the mark of a profound oo
architecture." Pg 167 The Best of Booch (Sigs Reference Library - Cambridge
Univ. Press)

Patterns, templates, polymorph*, abstraction, classes and all the rest are
just a matter of imagination or interpretation. If the "engine" doesn't
support the abstraction, you write it. If they dont support polimorph*, you
branch it. ez!

In Forth, it's like in C, you add a layer ++. Java, and others have it...
RunRev - doesn't have the abstraction? They do, but they is literally no
array handling to speak of compared to other mainstream languages. It's nice
to keep things easy but it makes the use and adaptability very weak IMOHO.
Sorry, it's reality...

In forth or c you could develop libraries to handle arrays with little
performance hits. In RunRev, it's another story...

With one exception... If a background behavior group is considered a class,
and a card in this group is an object then you jump one step ahead of any
other environment. 

So... That's the TAOO object model base for data storage. It also works in
SQL or any other classic memory storage (arrays, folder/files, FMP layouts,
etc...)

My 2 TAOOcentric cents...

Critiques are welcome naturally!

Cheers
Xav
http://monsieurx.com/taoo

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Geoff Canyon
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 16:44
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: To Rev or not to Rev
> 
> On May 2, 2005, at 8:02 AM, Dennis Brown wrote:
> 
> > On May 2, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I'm not sure how to catalog Forth, but it's not OO (inherently -- 
> >> there are OO implementations). It's procedural, certainly, but the 
> >> inherent stack gives it a definite functional feel.
> >>
> >
> > Forth is not really a high level language any more than assembler  
> > is.  It is an alternative machine language based on a double stack  
> > architecture.   There have been hardware implementations of Forth  
> > as the native machine instruction set.  When emulated, the "Code"  
> > just consists of a list of addresses to the actual machine 
> code for  
> > the native functions, or addresses of  "higher level" defined  
> > function (uses a flag bit to tell which).  This makes it execute  
> > much faster than "byte code".  You can implement a higher level  
> > language within the syntax of Forth because of its extensible  
> > nature.  "Words" are defined from other words in an interpretive  
> > environment.  Because of the double stack architecture, data  
> > arguments are passed and returned on one stack and return 
> addresses  
> > are in the other stack.  It makes a very efficient and powerful  
> > architecture for developing real time machine controllers with a  
> > tiny amount of memory.  You are free to define "words" that  
> > implement an OO environment if you choose.  You could even create  
> > Rev using this as the lower level "P code", or an operating system  
> > for that matter.
> 
> I understand how Forth works. I'm just not sure how I would  
> categorize it. On further reflection, I would say that Forth is  
> functional in about the same way that Revolution is Object-Oriented.  
> In other words, loosely. ;-)
> 
> I disagree that Forth is no more high-level than assembler is. The  
> built-in extensibility of Forth syntax makes it much more 
> than just a  
> convenient way of handling machine language.
> 
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Re: Profiling? Odd delay on windows

[Richard Gaskin]

Peter T. Evensen wrote:
No, I'm not locking the screen.  This only happens on  Windows.  I put a 
beep at the end of the preOpenCard and a beep at the beginning of 
openCard and there is a 1-2 second delay between the beeps.

Not visual effects are involved (that I'm aware of).  The page I'm going 
to just has several graphics on it.
Are any of those graphics in PICT format?  I believe the engine uses QT 
to render those.

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Re: To Rev or not to Rev

[Dennis Brown]

On May 4, 2005, at 10:43 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
On May 2, 2005, at 8:02 AM, Dennis Brown wrote:

On May 2, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote:

I'm not sure how to catalog Forth, but it's not OO (inherently --  
there are OO implementations). It's procedural, certainly, but  
the inherent stack gives it a definite functional feel.


Forth is not really a high level language any more than assembler  
is.  It is an alternative machine language based on a double stack  
architecture.   There have been hardware implementations of Forth  
as the native machine instruction set.  When emulated, the "Code"  
just consists of a list of addresses to the actual machine code  
for the native functions, or addresses of  "higher level" defined  
function (uses a flag bit to tell which).  This makes it execute  
much faster than "byte code".  You can implement a higher level  
language within the syntax of Forth because of its extensible  
nature.  "Words" are defined from other words in an interpretive  
environment.  Because of the double stack architecture, data  
arguments are passed and returned on one stack and return  
addresses are in the other stack.  It makes a very efficient and  
powerful architecture for developing real time machine controllers  
with a tiny amount of memory.  You are free to define "words" that  
implement an OO environment if you choose.  You could even create  
Rev using this as the lower level "P code", or an operating system  
for that matter.

I understand how Forth works. I'm just not sure how I would  
categorize it. On further reflection, I would say that Forth is  
functional in about the same way that Revolution is Object- 
Oriented. In other words, loosely. ;-)

I disagree that Forth is no more high-level than assembler is. The  
built-in extensibility of Forth syntax makes it much more than just  
a convenient way of handling machine language.
I was referring to the "native" instruction words as being like  
assembler.  In fact now days, microprocessors like the G5 etc. have  
much higher level functionality than Forth.  Just as you can write  
macros in assembler that implement a pseudo higher level language of  
your design, Forth gives the same ability in a very convenient  
defined way.  I liked Forth a lot twenty years ago when I was playing  
with it.  If one were to redesign it again today, a much more robust  
set of native words could be created for modern microprocessors and  
methods.  But I have found that the UI is really 90% of programming  
these days, and for that you can't beat Rev.  I just want fast fixed  
type array processing for the other 10% of the program with a  
seamless interface between the two.  Rev is plenty fast for most  
stuff, but an order of magnitude too slow for the array stuff.

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Re: Drawing a straight line

[Chipp Walters]

Hi Scott,
The reason it's 'skipping pixels' is that you've got a grid preference 
setting other than 1. Check your prefs.

-Chipp
Scott Slaugh wrote:
I can't use the line tool (or rectangle tool for that matter) because they 
both seem to almost skip pixels. I'll try to drag a rectangle or draw a line 
over an area, and I can end the drawing either one pixel from the edge or 
one pixel over the edge.
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Re: Writing a file to another computer on the LAN?

[Chipp Walters]

Hi Malte,
I would recommend creating a shared folder on the 'networked' drive, 
then trying to 'drag/drop' a file from your computer to it to make sure 
it works. If it does, then you can map it to a drive letter, and simply 
use the put URL form:

put URL "file:C:/test.txt" into URL "file:X:/test.txt"
HTH,
Chipp
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What I want to do is create a set of folders and files on another 
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my router to assign a static IP to one of the computers (running OsX). I 
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Re:File associations in OS 9

[Stephen Barncard]

Actually there was always a procedure...'Rebuild the Desktop' that 
fixed file associations. There is a four finger salutation of some 
kind done when a volume was mounted that got the "Rebuild the 
Desktop?" dialog. Also the original TechTool would delete the desktop 
file (forcing a rebuild) and do a 'zap' the Pram

and yes, Micromat still offers it.. it was always regular maintenance 
just like 'fixing permissions' is today with OSX...

http://www.micromat.com/tt_lite/tt_lite.html
I love a lot of things about OS9... it's speedy, lack of eye-candy 
(have you seen it run on a dual-1.25ghz machine?).

The text editing core code was better engineered as far as selection 
is concerned.

 It's totally different in OSX. The timing is way different. It's 
hard in OSX to say, click before a selection, as it wants to keep the 
selection active, eventually by clicking you lose the content 
completely. One does about 3x as much clicking. And files launch way 
too easily from a list when one is trying to just edit the filename. 
And don't get me started about the default listing of files in the 
ask/answer file dialogs - one has to click three times every time to 
get a descending file list (it doesn't stick). And I preferred 
borders around windows. In OSX I swear I click inside the boundaries 
of a window and I get what's behind the window selected instead. This 
happens 3 or 4 times a day. The NEXT geeks won in that department. If 
we hadn't so loudly complained, we wouldn't have a desktop.  Having 
said that, even with all the eye candy, it's amazingly stable.


Association of a "primary" application with a creator signature in 
Mac OS is...erm...mysterious. In my experience, the best method for 
dealing with this sort of situation is:
1. Move the application you want to be primary out of its folder and 
onto the desktop.
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Re: Profiling? Odd delay on windows

[Peter T. Evensen]

No, I'm not locking the screen.  This only happens on  Windows.  I put a 
beep at the end of the preOpenCard and a beep at the beginning of openCard 
and there is a 1-2 second delay between the beeps.

Not visual effects are involved (that I'm aware of).  The page I'm going to 
just has several graphics on it.

At 11:19 AM 4/25/2005, you wrote:
On 4/25/05 11:03 AM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
No, I'm not using any visual effects.  I'm just using "go to card 
CardName"  I basically have 3 tabs, and when you click on one of the 
tabs, it goes to one of 3 cards.  The 3rd card is what takes so long (and 
it has less on it than the first two).
I just had a similar delay in a stack and found it was running a long 
preOpenCard script while the screen was locked. That made it look like the 
card hadn't changed, though it really had. Are you locking the screen?

At 10:53 AM 4/25/2005, Dave Cragg wrote:
On 25 Apr 2005, at 15:48, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
Is there any way to do application profiling (to find out what 
Revolution is doing)?   I am experiencing an odd delay of 1-2 seconds 
when going to a card on Windows in a stand-alone (which doesn't happen 
on the Mac).

It appears it is something that is happening between preOpenCard and 
OpenCard.  It is happening only on the first time I go to that card.

Are you using visual effects when going to the card. It could be 
QuickTime starting up that causes the delay. I seem to remember a report 
of this before.

If so, perhaps you can "do something" to start quickTime before going to 
the card.

Cheers
Dave
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Re: To Rev or not to Rev

[Geoff Canyon]

On May 2, 2005, at 8:02 AM, Dennis Brown wrote:
On May 2, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote:

I'm not sure how to catalog Forth, but it's not OO (inherently --  
there are OO implementations). It's procedural, certainly, but the  
inherent stack gives it a definite functional feel.

Forth is not really a high level language any more than assembler  
is.  It is an alternative machine language based on a double stack  
architecture.   There have been hardware implementations of Forth  
as the native machine instruction set.  When emulated, the "Code"  
just consists of a list of addresses to the actual machine code for  
the native functions, or addresses of  "higher level" defined  
function (uses a flag bit to tell which).  This makes it execute  
much faster than "byte code".  You can implement a higher level  
language within the syntax of Forth because of its extensible  
nature.  "Words" are defined from other words in an interpretive  
environment.  Because of the double stack architecture, data  
arguments are passed and returned on one stack and return addresses  
are in the other stack.  It makes a very efficient and powerful  
architecture for developing real time machine controllers with a  
tiny amount of memory.  You are free to define "words" that  
implement an OO environment if you choose.  You could even create  
Rev using this as the lower level "P code", or an operating system  
for that matter.
I understand how Forth works. I'm just not sure how I would  
categorize it. On further reflection, I would say that Forth is  
functional in about the same way that Revolution is Object-Oriented.  
In other words, loosely. ;-)

I disagree that Forth is no more high-level than assembler is. The  
built-in extensibility of Forth syntax makes it much more than just a  
convenient way of handling machine language.

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Re: Drawing a straight line

[Martin Baxter]

It sounds like the objects could be snapping to the grid setting. There is
a Grid Spacing (Pixels) preference (under appearance preferences in my
version of RR) which affects this IIRC. Mine is set to 1, and I vaguely
remember setting it to that myself in order to ocercome the annoyance you
describe.

Martin Baxter

>I can't use the line tool (or rectangle tool for that matter) because they
>both seem to almost skip pixels. I'll try to drag a rectangle or draw a line
>over an area, and I can end the drawing either one pixel from the edge or
>one pixel over the edge.
>
>Scott Slaugh
>
>On 5/4/05, Frank D. Engel, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Why don't you just use the line tool?
>>
>> For bitmap line drawing, it's hidden in a submenu with the curve tool
>> (just left of the pencil).
>>
>>
>> On May 4, 2005, at 2:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> > Yes, well, seems the good folks at RunRev haven't put all the HyperCard
>> > goodies
>> > in yet. Or there is another bugzilla pilling up dust ;)
>> >
>> > There's the resizeN2O plugin i wrote that could do this easily with a
>> > few
>> > tweaks.
>> > http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=78
>> >
>> > But it's unfinished, under-funded and no-one seemed interested. So i
>> > put i
>> > into the bottom of the pile...
>> > I'll put it in the coming week's todos and i might include it in GIM -
>> > my
>> > new Graphical Interface Manager
>> >
>> > cheers
>> > Xavier
>> >
>> >
>> > On 04.05.2005 06:09:33 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>> >> I have recently been converting some stacks from HyperCard into
>> > Revolution.
>> >> In the process of putting the color back into the stacks, I have found
>> > that
>> >> I need to be drawing straight lines with the pencil tool. However, as
>> >> for
>> > as
>> >> I know, there is no key that I can hold down such as shift to keep the
>> > line
>> >> going straight, as I can in other drawing apps. Does anyone know of a
>> >> way
>> > to
>> >> quickly add this functionality to Revolution?
>> >>
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Re: Internet Time

[Mikey]

Gordon,
Obviously the goal is to not have to go through any of this.  All that
anybody desires is the shortest amount of code to get from the seconds
to the seconds in the current time zone.  While the rest of this is
interesting, it isn't simple.  The goal is to make it simple, which
ultimately requires some sort of help from the client machine that is
executing the RR stack so that the proper offset to the seconds can be
obtained.

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Re: Writing a file to another computer on the LAN?

[Alex Tweedly]

Malte Brill wrote:
Hi list,
I´m new to all this Networking stuff, so please be patient. ;-)
What I want to do is create a set of folders and files on another 
computer connected to a small LAN.  How do I go about this? I 
configured my router to assign a static IP to one of the computers 
(running OsX). I now can get files from library/webserver by using

get URL "http://staticIPAdd/test.txt";
but I can´t use
put "blah" into URL "http://staticIP/test.txt";
->Error 405 Method not allowed
How do I go about this? How can I write text to a file on the other 
machine? Can I write to a different folderthan library/webserver?
Thanks a lot!
There are lots of options  probably too many :-)
1. Change your webserver to allow "http put" operations.
Most webservers disallow this, and will default to disallowing it, but 
you can change the config to allow it. It's generally disallowed because 
it opens a security hole by allowing other people to write to your 
webserver - but if this server is simply serving an internal network for 
some app, not open to the wide, dangerous, world that could be OK.
Google for "xxx allow http put" where xxx is your webserver, and you'll 
find instructions - especially if xxx == Apache.

2. Export and mount files systems, and access them through that.
3. Run a FTP server on the server, and use put URL "ftp://"; etc.
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Re: Update to 2.5 from 2.2????

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

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Well, technically they are two versions of the same program, and 
someone with only one or the other will want stacks created with the 
other one (the one they don't have) to be opened with what they do 
have, so it makes sense that they would both have the same code.

What is truly troublesome is that so many of the standalones created 
from Rev have not changed the creator code.  Thus double-clicking a 
stack icon can cause that stack to be opened in some oddball standalone 
app you downloaded from somewhere completely different!

And btw, I see this problem on OS X as well.
On May 4, 2005, at 6:08 AM, David Burgun wrote:
Hi,
Sorry I understand how the desktop associations work, I really was 
just wondering *why* DreamCard and Revolution have the *same* creator 
signature ("Revo"). According to Apple, each Application should have a 
unique signature.
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Re: Drawing a straight line

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

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Which line/rectangle tools are you using?  There are two of them: one 
for image objects (bitmaps; below the divider line), and those for 
graphic objects (vector shapes; above the divider line).

On May 4, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Scott Slaugh wrote:
I can't use the line tool (or rectangle tool for that matter) because 
they
both seem to almost skip pixels. I'll try to drag a rectangle or draw 
a line
over an area, and I can end the drawing either one pixel from the edge 
or
one pixel over the edge.

Scott Slaugh
On 5/4/05, Frank D. Engel, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Why don't you just use the line tool?
For bitmap line drawing, it's hidden in a submenu with the curve tool
(just left of the pencil).
On May 4, 2005, at 2:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, well, seems the good folks at RunRev haven't put all the 
HyperCard
goodies
in yet. Or there is another bugzilla pilling up dust ;)

There's the resizeN2O plugin i wrote that could do this easily with a
few
tweaks.
http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=78
But it's unfinished, under-funded and no-one seemed interested. So i
put i
into the bottom of the pile...
I'll put it in the coming week's todos and i might include it in GIM 
-
my
new Graphical Interface Manager

cheers
Xavier
On 04.05.2005 06:09:33 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
I have recently been converting some stacks from HyperCard into
Revolution.
In the process of putting the color back into the stacks, I have 
found
that
I need to be drawing straight lines with the pencil tool. However, 
as
for
as
I know, there is no key that I can hold down such as shift to keep 
the
line
going straight, as I can in other drawing apps. Does anyone know of 
a
way
to
quickly add this functionality to Revolution?
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John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
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everlasting life.
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RE: Drawing a straight line

[MisterX]

i know this will sound silly but you should know you can use a ruler
to draw the line straight with your mouse...  

If you dont have a ruler, use the keyboard or your head! ;)

;)
cheers
Xav 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Scott Slaugh
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 15:48
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Drawing a straight line
> 
> I can't use the line tool (or rectangle tool for that matter) 
> because they both seem to almost skip pixels. I'll try to 
> drag a rectangle or draw a line over an area, and I can end 
> the drawing either one pixel from the edge or one pixel over the edge.
> 
> Scott Slaugh
> 
> On 5/4/05, Frank D. Engel, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > Why don't you just use the line tool?
> > 
> > For bitmap line drawing, it's hidden in a submenu with the 
> curve tool 
> > (just left of the pencil).
> > 
> > 
> > On May 4, 2005, at 2:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > > Yes, well, seems the good folks at RunRev haven't put all the 
> > > HyperCard goodies in yet. Or there is another bugzilla pilling up 
> > > dust ;)
> > >
> > > There's the resizeN2O plugin i wrote that could do this 
> easily with 
> > > a few tweaks.
> > > http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=78
> > >
> > > But it's unfinished, under-funded and no-one seemed 
> interested. So i 
> > > put i into the bottom of the pile...
> > > I'll put it in the coming week's todos and i might 
> include it in GIM 
> > > - my new Graphical Interface Manager
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > Xavier
> > >
> > >
> > > On 04.05.2005 06:09:33 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
> > >> I have recently been converting some stacks from HyperCard into
> > > Revolution.
> > >> In the process of putting the color back into the stacks, I have 
> > >> found
> > > that
> > >> I need to be drawing straight lines with the pencil 
> tool. However, 
> > >> as for
> > > as
> > >> I know, there is no key that I can hold down such as 
> shift to keep 
> > >> the
> > > line
> > >> going straight, as I can in other drawing apps. Does 
> anyone know of 
> > >> a way
> > > to
> > >> quickly add this functionality to Revolution?
> > >>
> > >> Scott Slaugh
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Re: Error saving standalone -- revisited yet again

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

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I never use the single-byte <>, <= or >= versions in any of my scripts. 
 I just checked the only other script I may have added from an outside 
source since this last worked, and they are clean.

I tried suppress messages and save standalone, no good.
I then made an exact copy of the stack (using the Finder), opened that 
copy in Rev, tried saving that as a standalone.  Still not working.

Next, I tried commenting out the savingStandalone, preOpenStack, 
openStack, closeStackRequest, shutdownRequest, and closeStack handlers 
in my mainstack, along with the preOpenCard and openCard handlers in 
the first card of that stack (I'm working with the copy).

I then saved the stack, quit Rev, reopened the stack, turned on Supress 
Messages, and tried saving the standalone.

Same unhelpful error.  Needless to say, this is getting rather 
frustrating.  The stack represents several months worth of work.  There 
are 40 substacks, one of which has 42 cards (the mainstack has 8 
cards).

The mainstack's script got to be so long I broke it down by adding a 
backscript via a field on the first card (it is added by the 
preOpenStack script which I commeted out -- that's why I quit Rev 
before trying to build again).

That backscript got to be so long I forked off a *second* backscript, 
so that there are now two backscripts: one with 838 lines, and one with 
803 lines.  The mainstack script still has 473 lines , and some of the 
cards on my mainstack have scripts with line counts like 889 and 807... 
some of the substacks have scripts of over 200 lines, and a few of 
their cards have scripts on the order of 100+ lines.  And these are 
just the stacks and cards!  Some of the controls also have scripts of 
several hundred lines each.

Needless to say, I can't really afford to lose this stack.  I have 
backup copies, but with this level of complexity, backing up even a 
step or two could be rather costly, and if the same problems occur...

Okay, one more thing I thought to try: I have a number of externals I'm 
using, some of them are custom ones (that I built).  Rev crashes every 
time I build a standalone from a stack using certain externals (after 
displaying the message that the standalone was successfully saved, or 
now this error), and this is one of those stacks.

I tried setting the externals of the copy (the one with all of the 
handlers commented out) to empty, quitting Rev, and repeating the 
process.  Rev thinks about it a little longer now, but still comes back 
to the same error message. At least this time it didn't crash 
afterwords ;-)

The destination folder (the folder created during the save process) is 
still not created.


On May 3, 2005, at 10:50 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Hi Frank,
Here are a couple of other suggestions.
1) If you're using a Mac, make sure >= is two characters not one.
2) Try commenting out all preOpenStack/preOpenCard openStack/openCard 
handlers and then build the standalone. If it works, then you can 
assume you're doing something in the handlers which is creating 
problems. Enable one at a time and locate the problem handler, then 
debug from there.

Let us know what you find.
best,
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin)

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Re: Update to 2.5 from 2.2????

[Marty Billingsley]

> "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes;
> At 2:14 PM +0100 5/3/05, David Burgun wrote:
> >I've just updated to 2.5 from 2.2 and my .rev files no long open
> >RunRev when double-clicked, instead DreamCard Player starts up. What
> >do I have to do to make it open RunRev instead?
> >
> >I am using MacOS 9.
>
> Association of a "primary" application with a creator signature in
> Mac OS is...erm...mysterious. In my experience, the best method for
> dealing with this sort of situation is:
> 1. Move the application you want to be primary out of its folder and
> onto the desktop.
> 2. Close the folder that the application used to be in.
> 3. Move the application from the desktop back into the folder.
> This seems to cause the desktop database to update itself in most cases.

Oryou could just use a utility like DragThing to create a
dock of all your applications so that you can drag a document
and drop it on exactly the application you want to open it in.
Gives you much more control than double-clicking.

BTW, DragThing is a million times better than the OS X dock; don't
throw it away when you get around to upgrading to X.

  - marty

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Re: Drawing a straight line

[Scott Slaugh]

I can't use the line tool (or rectangle tool for that matter) because they 
both seem to almost skip pixels. I'll try to drag a rectangle or draw a line 
over an area, and I can end the drawing either one pixel from the edge or 
one pixel over the edge.

Scott Slaugh

On 5/4/05, Frank D. Engel, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Why don't you just use the line tool?
> 
> For bitmap line drawing, it's hidden in a submenu with the curve tool
> (just left of the pencil).
> 
> 
> On May 4, 2005, at 2:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Yes, well, seems the good folks at RunRev haven't put all the HyperCard
> > goodies
> > in yet. Or there is another bugzilla pilling up dust ;)
> >
> > There's the resizeN2O plugin i wrote that could do this easily with a
> > few
> > tweaks.
> > http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=78
> >
> > But it's unfinished, under-funded and no-one seemed interested. So i
> > put i
> > into the bottom of the pile...
> > I'll put it in the coming week's todos and i might include it in GIM -
> > my
> > new Graphical Interface Manager
> >
> > cheers
> > Xavier
> >
> >
> > On 04.05.2005 06:09:33 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
> >> I have recently been converting some stacks from HyperCard into
> > Revolution.
> >> In the process of putting the color back into the stacks, I have found
> > that
> >> I need to be drawing straight lines with the pencil tool. However, as
> >> for
> > as
> >> I know, there is no key that I can hold down such as shift to keep the
> > line
> >> going straight, as I can in other drawing apps. Does anyone know of a
> >> way
> > to
> >> quickly add this functionality to Revolution?
> >>
> >> Scott Slaugh
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> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
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> $
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin)
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Re: Internet Time

[Gordon Webster]

As I said in my previous post, if you do:

 convert the internet date to seconds

it doesn't account for the timezone. However, the
following rev construction:

the last word of the internet date

gives you the correct offset to GMT. Here in
Cambridge, MA, I get '-0400' which is correct since
both Cambridge and London are on DST (local standard
time + 1 hour).

I must therefore add 4 hours (and zero minutes) worth
of seconds onto my local time (taking account of the
sign of the offset). 

The complications arise in knowing which countries are
currently using DST and which are not, especially
since even the countries that do use it, do not all
"spring forward" or "fall back" on the same day. 

There are databases online that list which countries
use DST and when they change. Perhaps using a cunning
HTTP script, somebody could create a "World Time
Stack" ;-)

Best

Gordon



--- Mikey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Expanding on this thought, I don't know off the top
> of my head how you
> would do this, but using the web features of RR, you
> could perhaps use
> the PHP function date to get your offset.  In this
> case it would be
> date("Z"), which should return the seconds offset
> from GMT.
> 
> Oh, and once again I forgot to add the tao blog to
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Re: Error saving standalone -- revisited yet again

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

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I'm not using MetaCard (I don't have a license for that, and have never 
even tried it), and I never did anything to add a nonempty resource 
fork to my stack (technically, all files on an HFS filesystem have a 
resource fork, but they are typically empty).

ls -l /rsrc shows a resource fork with a zero length, 
so that cannot be it.

On May 4, 2005, at 2:58 AM, Signe Marie Sanne wrote:
Frank D. Engel, Jr. skrev:
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Okay, I'm getting the infamous "There was an error while saving the 
standalone application" message for just one specific stack.
* I checked to ensure that the stack had a .rev extension, it does.
* I tried saving to a new empty folder on my desktop.  Nope.
* I tried saving to my home directory.  Still not working.
* I tried other stacks, they worked fine.
* I ran repair disk permissions and tried again, still no good.
* I tried saving to a new empty folder at the root level of my hard 
drive.  Same problem.
Mac OS X 10.3.9
Any clues?
I had the same problem earlier on when I had opened a MetaCard stack 
with resources (answer/ask stacks etc)included. I had to go back to 
MetaCard, remove the resources before being able to save the stack as 
a rev stack.
Could this be the cause?
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$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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Re: Drawing a straight line

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

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Why don't you just use the line tool?
For bitmap line drawing, it's hidden in a submenu with the curve tool 
(just left of the pencil).


On May 4, 2005, at 2:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, well, seems the good folks at RunRev haven't put all the HyperCard
goodies
in yet. Or there is another bugzilla pilling up dust ;)
There's the resizeN2O plugin i wrote that could do this easily with a 
few
tweaks.
http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=78

But it's unfinished, under-funded and no-one seemed interested. So i 
put i
into the bottom of the pile...
I'll put it in the coming week's todos and i might include it in GIM - 
my
new Graphical Interface Manager

cheers
Xavier
On 04.05.2005 06:09:33 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
I have recently been converting some stacks from HyperCard into
Revolution.
In the process of putting the color back into the stacks, I have found
that
I need to be drawing straight lines with the pencil tool. However, as 
for
as
I know, there is no key that I can hold down such as shift to keep the
line
going straight, as I can in other drawing apps. Does anyone know of a 
way
to
quickly add this functionality to Revolution?
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John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
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Re: Internet Time

[Mikey]

Expanding on this thought, I don't know off the top of my head how you
would do this, but using the web features of RR, you could perhaps use
the PHP function date to get your offset.  In this case it would be
date("Z"), which should return the seconds offset from GMT.

Oh, and once again I forgot to add the tao blog to the sig.  I'm such an idiot.
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Re: tikiwiki, RSS, French, and changing the world

[xbury . cs]

Isn't there a french Rev or MetaCard list?
Please send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or submit the link to monsieurx.com.

I know I've seen it somewhere...

cheers
Xavier

On 04.05.2005 15:12:13 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Frankly, I have no problem with a post in an alternate language.
>Obviously, English is the predominate one here. However, a post in,
>say, French will certainly attract all Francophones together! :)
>
>However, it's only polite [and I think the ListMom made it a rule] to
>also post either a babelfish translation of your post or your best
>effort at translation.
>
>Ro
>
>On May 4, 2005, at 11:27 AM, Marielle Lange wrote:
>
>> Anyway, I guess that French, CMS and RSS are a bit out of topic for
>> a revolution
>> list. Changing the world probably not.
>
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Re: Internet Time

[Mikey]

Correcting myself (again), it's the local time in seconds that's
difficult to arrive at, because of the way the seconds is calcluated. 
1) It doesn't take local time zone into account 2) It doesn't take DST
into account.

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Re: Internet Time

[Mikey]

> You can get GMT on Mac OSX
> 
>  put shell("date -u")
> 
> Windows Internet Time works correctly.


It's not GMT that is the problem for all of us, it's DST, which is
difficult to obtain because of the way that the seconds is calculated.

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Re: tikiwiki, RSS, French, and changing the world

[Ro Nagey]

Frankly, I have no problem with a post in an alternate language.  
Obviously, English is the predominate one here. However, a post in,  
say, French will certainly attract all Francophones together! :)

However, it's only polite [and I think the ListMom made it a rule] to  
also post either a babelfish translation of your post or your best  
effort at translation.

Ro
On May 4, 2005, at 11:27 AM, Marielle Lange wrote:
Anyway, I guess that French, CMS and RSS are a bit out of topic for  
a revolution
list. Changing the world probably not.
Ro Nagey ~ Evangelist ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Revolution in Education - ANNOUNCING New List

[Ro Nagey]

It's just brand new, Mark. It's only been reactivated in the last 72  
hours. Is there a way to kick Google awake? ;)

Ro
On May 3, 2005, at 10:30 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
Ro-
Tuesday, May 3, 2005, 1:40:43 PM, you wrote:
RN>   http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/education-revolution
The education list isn't indexed at Google yet. Is it just too new or
is it just under their radar or are you trying to keep it private for
now? As soon as Google starts indexing it I can add it as an option to
my ArchiveSearch plugin.
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Writing a file to another computer on the LAN?

[Malte Brill]

Hi list,
I´m new to all this Networking stuff, so please be patient. ;-)
What I want to do is create a set of folders and files on another 
computer connected to a small LAN.  How do I go about this? I 
configured my router to assign a static IP to one of the computers 
(running OsX). I now can get files from library/webserver by using

get URL "http://staticIPAdd/test.txt";
but I can´t use
put "blah" into URL "http://staticIP/test.txt";
->Error 405 Method not allowed
How do I go about this? How can I write text to a file on the other 
machine? Can I write to a different folderthan library/webserver?
Thanks a lot!

Malte
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Re: naming variables...

[Brian Yennie]

Yikes. I hope RunRev fixes this- I've seen it come up at least twice 
now on the list and it's an obvious scripting error.
The solution is to use the "do" command. This is similar to the "eval" 
function you find in many other languages- basically you dynamically 
generate the line of code, and then "do" will execute it at runtime.

## "do" something
repeat with x=1 to 20
put ("fld a"&x&" into myVar"&x) into myCode
## myCode => the string "put fld a1 into myVar1"
do myCode
end repeat
One cool sidenote- you can also use the "do" command to execute code 
from any other OSA scripting language installed if you are on MacOS, 
which usually means AppleScript.

The other way to access "outside" code is to use shell() in order to 
run command-line commands, but now I'm straying...

HTH,
Brian
Hello all,
how does it come that the simple "How do I create and use a numbered 
set of variables?" example
does not work in 2.5.1 ?

I badly need to collect contents of flds into variables which are used 
later in the script...

 repeat with x = 1 to 20
put fld ("a"&x) into ("myVar" & x)
  end repeat
--> returns error : bad destination ???
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