Re: 7100/80 with Sonnet Crescendo not working
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:24:56 -0800 (PST) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Daystar Turbo 601 (and their other 601 upgrades) required a minimum of System 7.5, even though some PowerMacs would run older. I'd bet the G3 upgrade needs at least 8.5 to work without problems. The T601 needs 7.5 or better because it has what amounts to 6100 ROMs on board. So it has the same (?) minimum requirements as the 6100. The PDS G3 upgrades contain no such ROM kludge so they should work with any OS supported by the host machine, unless the routine that activates the cache needs a newer OS. While the original poster's problem probably is some kind of extension conflict, it is also possible that his upgrade has a defective cache. PDS G3 upgrades will lock up when the extension attempts to activate the cache if the cache is defective. I saw this on a NewerTech upgrade, on which heat sink compound was dribbled all over the cache chip pins during manufacturing. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Portables
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:23:51 -0800 From: Jeff Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Portables Hia all, This may be off topic but because there's been talk of portables, I figured I throw this out there. I have a portable that had been working great up until the video cable (from the motherboard to the lcd) finally was crimped one to many times and severed. I've looked around high and low and even thought of rebuilding it, but the wires are just too darn small and fragile. Anyone have or know where to find this cable, and would be willing to sell one? I am not familiar with that particular cable, but if it is a flat flex cable then you can probably get a workable replacement from Digi-Key. That's where I bought a replacement for the cable in my Outbound Laptop which is pretty contemporary with the Portable. However, installing it may be another matter, depending on your soldering skills. In the Outbound's case, the MB end slid into a socket, but at the LCD end it had to be soldered on and the pitch of the conductors (distance center-to-center) was fairly small. Can you throw up a picture of the cable in question and post the URL? And/or measure the pitch of the cable (measure center to center for 11 conductors and divide by 10 or some such, since a single pitch measurement is too small to do acccurately), and the length and the number of conductors. There are also companies that specialize in components for old laptops, but they'll want a bundle. For example, the model of Sharp LCD in the Outbound was listed for $75 a few years ago. I haven't checked since then. Oh, and if it broke near an end which goes into a socket (and is a flat flex cable), you may be able to cut the break square, and then rub off the insulation on one side with a sharp blade and/or sandpaper, such that you can insert the reworked end into the socket. I've done that a few times wtih the Outbound LCD cables. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: IIci drive trouble
From: Manuel Marques [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IIci drive trouble Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:23:08 - I booted 7.5.1 (the OS which was on the HD) and it started up fine. The problem is that the HD driver is from FWB, and some of the HD partitions (the disk has 6 partitions) are password-protected. I don't know the password, the computer was my father's last Mac, and he also doesn't know the password. So, how can I delete the password-protected partitions without formatting? Is there any way? I can't use Apple's utilities, nor any other utility, and I cannot delete, rename, change the partition! I'm pretty sure that you must reformat in order to do anything with those partitions, if you do not have the password. However, the mounting process may be password protected, but I bet the data on them is not encrypted. So, you might be able to use a disk utility such as Norton Utlities to recover the files on the password protected partitions and once that's done you could reformat and repartition and restore, assuming you have somewhere you can store the drive contents while you reformat. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
NiMH batteries Re: Mac Portable HD dilemma
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking at my conditioning charger for both AA/AAA NiMH and NiCd cells, the instruction sheet suggests reconditioning(completely discharging) NiCd cells each time they are inserted, while with NiMH cells it says recondition/discharge completely every several times. So I am assuming memory effect for NiMH's isn't a big problem, but must still be considered. On the other hand, http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm seems to indicate the opposite. So, Jeff, will you be able to find the right sized NiMH battery to replace the lead acid one in the Outbound Laptop? Wonder if I could find the correct size for my Outbound Notebook? I don't know if I'd find a perfect fit, and I doubt that I could find one with that particular connector, but I bet I could rig something or find something that would fit in the compartment, provide 12V and have a higher Amp-Hour rating. On the other hand, the lead acid batteries are something like $25 and I bet the NiMH would be considerably more. So I'm not likely to pursue this in the near future. Good to hear from you Saul. Us Outbound owners seem to be thin on the ground. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Mac Portable HD dilemma
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:37:06 -0800 (PST) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] An interesting thing is that in most applications, NiMH cells can directly replace NiCd cells. They're the same voltage but NiMH has a higher energy density so it'll run things longer. A NiCd charger will work just fine on NiMH cells, it just takes longer than a higher rate charger designed for NiMH cells. Some smart chargers for NiCd may have problems where they'll shut down before NiMH cells are fully charged. snippage of useful stuff Do NiMH batteries have the same memory phenomenon if not fully discharged as NiCd batteries do? I might like to look at a NiMH replacement for my Outbound Laptop battery, but the thing keeps its RAM active even when off (Silicon Disk feature), so one generally needs to keep it plugged in, and that means recharging after partial discharges, which is great for lead acid, but death for NiCd. But NiMH...? Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Turbo040 Cache; Was: IIci performance enhancements
From: Powermac [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: On MIDI Sequencing - IIci performance enhancements - Original Message - From: Jeff Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 2:20 AM If you buy one of the older version, check to see if the cache board is attached and included. Often it is, and often the seller has no idea what the piggybacking board is doing on the back of the thing. The older version with the cache board attached will be two boards sandwiched together pretty closely when viewed from above. I have the older Turbo 040 (33Mhz no cache add-on), how rare are the cache boards for these currently? Pretty much hens teeth. I've never seen one that wasn't already attached to a Turbo040 card. Daystar sold them as a separate add-on as well as including them with Turbo040s so it's always possible some will turn up somewhere still in the box. I believe the problem is that folks don't have any idea what they are. It's pretty specialized knowledge. So if someone runs across one in a box or something, they're not very likely to resell the thing, because they don't recognize it. I suspect we've lost many of the Turbo040 and PowerCaches to the same problem. You get an old machine, there's a card in it, you don't know what any of it is, and it all goes to the recycler. There was an even less well known Daystar upgrade called the Value040. This plugged into an LC style PDS slot. It also uses the same cache board. However, I have a regular search on Daystar stored on Ebay, and I'm the only person I've ever seen sell a Value040, so they're not all that common either. Your best bet is probably just to buy another Turbo040 with the cache board attached already. Ebay has this new feature called Want-It-Now. You could try posting one of those. Also, you might try posting a WTB (want-to-buy) message in the comp.sys.mac.wanted news group and if you have something similar to austin.forsale (except for whatever city you're in) you could try that as well. And there's the LEM swap-list as well. Of course it would help if you had a JPEG of the board. Here's an image of the Value040 with the cache board attached. The cache is on the righthand side of the image http://www.io.com/~trag/Value040_cache.jpg Here's an image of the back of a Turbo040 with the cache board attached: http://www.io.com/~trag/Turbo040_back.jpg Unfortunately, neither image shows the connector side of the cache board. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Dead Mac II Logic Board?
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:35:14 -0600 From: Shaun Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dead Mac II Logic Board? Hi All, I just got a logic board for a Mac II (thanks Lincoln!), but when I fire it up, I get the dreaded death chime. The board is really clean, I can't find a trace of dirt or leakage anywhere. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the PRAM batteries are dead, would this cause the problem? I was under the assumption that the computer wouldn't even power on with dead batteries. I will research this on my own later, but this brings up another question: where do I get the batteries with the solder leads on them? I don't know if the batteries would cause the symptoms you have. However, to answer your question, Frys sells the batteries with the leads on the end. If you don't have a local Frys, there are probably other sources, but I'm not familiar with them. Oh, Outpost.com is Frys' on-line outlet, so you might check them for the batteries. They're likely to stock anything that Frys does, I think. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Mac IIci / Hard Drive Questions
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:58:42 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/14/05 7:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: internal drives SCSI jumpers to a higher ID? I don't know what the external drive is set to (old CAi external w/software scsi control). I have seen options for setting the SCSI ID using software, however, I think that only works with drives which have the option built into their firmware, and that was (I believe) limited to certain Quantum drives. I would be sure to set that drive's SCSI ID using a good old fashioned jumper. My experience has been that when the Mac tries to boot with SCSI drives with duplicate ID's, it just hangs - it won't go to the flashing question mark. There are a couple of other possibilities which come up. Your experience is probably the most common, however, duplicated SCSI IDs sometimes cause one of the disks to appear about 8 times on the desktop. That's the wierdest. Another possibility is that one of the two disks appears and the other doesn't. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Mac II resister (inductor?) blown
From: Kyle Koerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Mac II resister (inductor?) blown Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:22:46 -0500 Rick, Sorry, not sure what the actual name is - it's a little square thing which I can't tell you more about because it is just a scorched block... So you are not certain that the L4 label applies to the burnt component? If not, can you describe in detail where the component is located so that one of us with a IIfx might have some chance to locate it on our board? The Mac II does power up, just without a hard drive (i have an external though). Funny thing is, my external case (AppleCD 300e) has no problem with the 5 drive. Could just be a coincidence that that component went out at that time. Or it could be indicative of something shorted on the board such that when power is drawn from the HD connector it burned that component. In addition to the hard drive power problem with my IIfx board, another problem is there too. When I turn the thing on, there is no mouse movement. Period. You can use the keyboard to navigate, but no mouse. This happens with different mice/keyboards, different configurations (ADB port, keyboards, etc), and even different hard drives with different system folders. Also, Mouse Keys do not work. They can be enabled and the clicking (5 or 0) work, just like on the mouse. Just no linear movement. It sounds like your ADB controller has serious problems. If it were a later model machine (e.g. Quadra) it would be a matter of just replacing the CUDA chip, since Apple used that same chip for ADB control from the Quadra through the Beige G3. On the IIfx, you could have a problem in your SWIM/ADB IOP or it could be the RFI filter. I'm not that familiar with the chips in the IIfx though, to really be a help. If it was any other model of Mac II, you could probably just scavenge a replacement chip from some other II board. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Brainstorm Accelerator
From: Thomas Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Brainstorm Accelerator; Was: Mac Plus Server Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:45:53 + I took the Mac Plus server down and gave it a rest. I'm in the Atlanta area if anyone knows how to solder a mac motherboard witha brainstorm accelerator let me know. If you can't get someone local to do it, I can do it. However, I'm in Austin, TX so you'd have to spring for shipping both ways--could cost close to what the Brainstorm goes for these days. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Brainstorm Accelerator; Was: Mac Plus Server
From: Thomas Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Mac Plus Server Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:21:04 -0400 Does anyone have a clue about how to hook up a Brainstorm accelerator to a Plus? I got one through eBay, but it looks like it requires some soldering. I don't think that's quite my forte. If you bought it from SunRem, it should have come with installation instructions. At least, the five I bought from them a few months back came with installation instructions. It does require soldering though. Where are you located? Perhaps one of the soldering enabled list members is in your locale. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Dead IIsi
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 02:25:15 +0100 From: Liam Proven [EMAIL PROTECTED] The power /cable/ is known to be good. No idea about the PSU but it becomes slightly warm if left connected overnight. I have no other similar Macs to swap parts with. I have a 6100, 2 LC475s, a (dead) Classic II, a 7300/166, a Beige G3 and an old Powerbook - possibly a 145, I forget. Nothing I can swap PSUs or logic boards in and out from, though, I don't think. Do you know anyone with a IIci or 7100? The IIsi power supply can be used to power one of those and vice versa. I wouldn't try it with any cards installed or hard drive load to speak of, but the power connectors are compatible. Also, the combo won't fit in the case so the test needs to be done out of the case on the bench. However, it's sounding like you probably have leaky capacitors on your IIsi board. The IIci is subject to this problem and the IIsi is nearly identical only with half the SIMM sockets and no NuBus slots. The surface mount electrolytic caps leak corrosive onto the board with age. Several of them are involved with the power-on circuitry, so the machine fails to power on, either because it needs the caps functional, or because the corrosive has eaten through a trace, contact or solder joint on the logic board. This isn't that hard to repair with a bit of care, but it does require the motivation to fix it. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Quantum Viking Hard Drives
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:03:30 +1000 From: Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Returning the the wrong scsi ID seems odd as I don't see why it would be firmware or what real use such a feature would have .. IIRC, old versions of Alliance Power Tools (formatting software included with APS hard drives) had an option to set the SCSI ID electronically. It only worked on certain drives. I would guess those would be these Quantum drives and similar models. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Turbo Mouse
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:15:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Baret [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've just started reading into this mouse discussion with this post, but I'm assuming it's a Plus or earlier mouse (sometimes called Mac Plus mouse). If it does have an 8 pin serial and not the 5 pin that it probably is should it have a DIN connector then it's the first I've ever seen on a Mac that doesn't use a standard input port. I am also joining the discussion late. I have here a joystick for the Mac which plugs into the serial port instead of into the ADB port. It's made by USA Identity Systems and the part number is IDFLTSTK-M. It has a driver so that it can work through the serial port on a Mac. It has the mini-DIN8 connector. I imagine that there may be a few rare mice out there which plug into the serial port also. It's not really any stretch from a joystick serial driver to a mouse serial driver. I don't see how that mini-DIN8 port on the Turbo Mouse could be anything but a serial connector. But I wonder if the 9 pin connector is meant for a PC or for the mouse connector on a Plus or earlier Mac. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: mac batteries. Was: IIFX Power On?
From: Powermac [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mac batteries. Was: IIFX Power On? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:11:53 -0400 -- PRAM batteries on ebay are not that expensive, probably $4 each or so. Do they have reasonable fresh date codes? I just picked up two 05/2005 batteries at Frys for $5.99 each. Of course, some folks don't have a local Frys and sometimes Frys doesn't do a very good job of keeping the odd batteries in stock. Once, I resorted to buying the 1/2AA with leads on the ends and snipped off the leads and filed down the nub. On the other hand, Frys carries the 1/2AA with leads on the end! There can't be very many diehard Mac II owners still out there. I must admit that I am very tempted by the idea of three 1.25V watch batteries ($1.29 each) in series with a nub of copper rod at the end to fill in the last bit of length. I'm not sure how they'd compare in durability though. The mAH are on the packaging for the 1/2AA but I'm not sure if the package for the watch batteries shows that parameter. Heck, some of those little batteries don't even list the voltage on the package. At least some hearing aid batteries of a promising size didn't seem to list the voltage. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
IIFX Power On?
I just obtained a beautifully clean IIfx thanks to the news group austin.forsale and a very kind gentleman who responded to my posting. Using a local news group saved me shipping the beast. I have one simple question. Does the IIfx require good batteries on the MB in order to power up? I think that's what I remember, but leaky memory and all that. Jeff Walther P.S. I had a message from the fellow who posted the Tokamac link to the CC list. He says that the Tokamac guy may be off doing hurricane relief work, so that could be why there's been no response to emails. We're only about half-way across Texas from LA here. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Strange IIci behavior, cont.
From: Manuel Marques [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Strange IIci behavior, cont. Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:20:46 +0100 In-reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The PRAM battery is irrelevant to powering up on these models. Sooo, even if I change my battery, my IIci will not work. Right? It made sense that, if I didn't have any power to establish any ADB connection, that the IIci wouldn't power up using the keyboard. If the battery doesn't supply power, then what is it? The PSU? First, please learn to trim your quoted text. It is rude to repost all of the message to which you are replying. One way to learn to trim quoted text is to put your new message *after* the quoted text. This generally results in a more readable posting and you'll learn to always trim away that unneeded quoted text. For example, in your message, which I've quoted above, you actually requoted the relevant bit of the previous message before your text. That is all that you needed to quote. You should have trimmed *all* of the quoted text which you left at the bottom of your message. Regardless of any personal preferences folks on this list may have, your last couple of messages quoted the list footers as well as the previous messages. That is explicitly against the etiquette of this list. The PSU supplies a 5V trickle even when the computer is turned off. The power on circuitry connects that 5V trickle to the Power_on line (forget the official name for it) on the power supply to turn it on. Then there's some circuitry on the motherboard to keep it connected so that the power supply stays on until the Shut Down command is issued. The battery is only used to maintain the real time clock and the PRAM memory when the power supply is disconnected from the mains. Otherwise the 5V trickle also maintains these functions. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Strange IIci behavior, cont.
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:01:11 -0500 From: Jeff Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] The IIci has the Astec power supply, and I think you're right, it may be getting quirky. I have a bit of other odd behavior though. I was under the impression, (but could be totally wrong) that the Quadra 700 power supply would work in the IIci being the same form factor with same listed voltages. When I try my Quadra power supply in the IIci, the light flickers again, but won't power up. This happens if the PDS card is in or removed. Nada happens. When I put the PSU back into the Quadra, the 700 boots up just fine. It happens to be the GE model from the 700. When I put the IIci's original Astec back in, it boots up fine if no PDS card is in, as I described before. So maybe it is the mobo?? Maybe both . . . hmmm. Oh yeah, I live in Fredericksburg, Va. There is a fairly common failure of the IIci motherboard which interferes with powering up. Many of the surface mount capacitors are in the vicinity of the power-on circuitry on the motherboard and when they leak corrosive, that's the circuitry most likely to be damaged. You may wish to pull your motherboard and examine the rear right quadrant for discoloration--slightly darker, hint of brown. My IIci had this failure. I ended up bypassing a motherboard trace with some wire, because one of the vias through which the trace passed was corroded completely. I also cleaned the motherboard and replaced the caps. You might try your IIci PS in the Q700 to see what you can see. The two power supplies should be interchangeable. However, the current required to power up might be different and that could be why one power supply come on and the other doesn't. If the MB is delivering below spec. one PS may have more head room than the other. Other compatible power supplies include IIcx, IIci, IIvi, IIvx, Q700, C650, Q650, 7100. The PRAM battery is irrelevant to powering up on these models. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: TokaMac Drivers
From: Powermac [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TokaMac Drivers Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 03:07:56 -0400 From the Classic Computer List: At 11:23 -0500 09/07/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 08:58:32 -0700 From: Barry A Dobyns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Rare IIfx Accelerator? The Tokamac was designed and sold by my good buddy (and best man at my wedding 20 years ago) Andrew Donoho, and he keeps up a web page for it at http://www.ddg.com/TokaMac/index.html -barry The link to the drivers does not work... still looking. Somebody must have a copy somewhere (no reply from the website, I emailed them already). And I emailed Barry Dobyns to see if he thought Andrew might help, but have not heard back. I also tried the Way Back Machine, but the FTP site on which the drivers were stored was not archived, unfortunately. Google searching on Fusion Data Systems does not reveal a website URL. I suspect that FDS came and went before the html part of the WWW came along. (Obviously, the FDS site would be long gone, but I hoped to feed a URL for FDS into the Way Back Machine and discover that the drivers were archived from that site.) Apparently the creator of the Tokamac lives in Austin. I live here too. I guess I could stalk the fellow. However, I don't have a Tokamac my self and it's so undignified. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: TokaMac Drivers
From: Snook, John R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TokaMac Drivers Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:58:19 -0700 Anybody have a manual or driver software for a Tokamac IIfx processor accelerator? -- I need them too. johnsn From the Classic Computer List: At 11:23 -0500 09/07/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 08:58:32 -0700 From: Barry A Dobyns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Rare IIfx Accelerator? The Tokamac was designed and sold by my good buddy (and best man at my wedding 20 years ago) Andrew Donoho, and he keeps up a web page for it at http://www.ddg.com/TokaMac/index.html -barry The same fellow who posted here looking for drivers also posted on the CCTech list and he got an answer over there. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Mac IIci Trouble
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 07:24:59 -0500 From: Dennis Myhand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay, now here is where the unfamiliarity with Macs will raise its ugly head. There are three (I suspect to be) NUBUS headers. These are, looking from front to rear, on the left side of the logic board. Yes, NuBus connectors. There is something which looks like a simm slot, which is empty, and I suspect that is the ROM SIMM slot. It's 64 pins, but it is a ROM SIMM slot. Then there is something which looks like a longer, dark brown colored, NUBUS header, which has a card attached to it. Actually a slightly different connector from NuBus. This is the PDS (processor direct slot) for the IIci. That's probably a cache card (32K L2) installed, but could be a nifty upgrade if there's a CPU on the card. There are also 8 sticks of RAM in 8 SIMM slots at the front of the Logic Board. There is a jumper on W1 and I will remove that since it seems there is no ROM SIMM. Actually, W1 should be jumpered if there is no ROM SIMM (just looked in one of my IIcis), which there never is, because there was never a ROM upgrade for the IIci and they all shipped with the ROM soldered down--I think. Willing to have someone chime in and explain that early IIcis shipped with a SIMM, but I don't think that was the case. The ROM in the IIci is soldered down in the form of four 32 pin DIPs which can be found on the motherboard under the floppy drive shelf near the front of the motherboard. The two daughter cards were a Network Card (10 Base2) and what seems to be an add-on video card. NuBus cards? What does the video card look like. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Macintosh IIfx SIMMs/Information
From: John Niven [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Macintosh IIfx SIMMs/Information Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:27:17 -0700 On Aug 31, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Jeff Walther wrote: The pinout shows a separate data_in and data_out pin for each bit of the SIMM. In other words, it's an eight bit SIMM, but instead of simply having eight data pins Data[0:7] it has eight Data_In[0:7] and eight Data_Out[0:7] pins. The by one bit DRAMs had separate input and output pins. Most users just tied them together and hooked them to a bi-directional bus. I haven't looked into this, but I always assumed that what the IIfx did was keep the In and Out busses separate so that the timing operations could be overlapped thus speeding up memory operations. First, thank you, John for that insightful information. That makes a lot of sense. Second: Argghhh! I checked some X 1 DRAM chip datasheets, and shore 'nuff they have separate data in and data out pins. By 4s and by 8s do not. This does still leave open the question of whether the IIfx timing requires the separate data paths. I can probably learn a little by examining the timing dia grams for the X 1 chips to see if the output from a read is held while the RAS signal comes in for a Write. However, thinking about it now, I'm not sure that makes much sense really. The data for a write doesn't need to go on the data bus until shortly before the CAS goes active. So even without separate data paths, there's most of the RAS operation available for overlap. And this would only come into play when a write follows a read or vice versa. This is the kind of thing that would probably be answered by the IIFX Developer Notes, which I really wish I had a copy of. I suppose it is possible that the IIfx puts the data on the bus for a Write at the same time as RAS goes active. That wouldn't help performance, but it might have made the IIfx design easier. I really wish I had that developer note. Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:39:42 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Didn't IIfx RAM's have nine bits for error detection? I seem to remember that there was something different about them and the RAM for a IIfx was unique to that Mac. All other Macs of that vintage had interchangeable RAM. The Guide to the Macintosh Family Hardware indicates that both the IIci and the IIfx had parity options available. These were options that had to be ordered from the factory as they involved soldering down extra chips. I know that the IIci has a position on the motherboard for the parity supporting chip. I've never looked over a IIfx board to see if it has a similar provision. The unique thing about the IIfx RAM is that it is on 64 pin SIMMs instead of 30 pin SIMMs. Strictly speaking, it's not unique because one (two?) of Apple's LaserWriters used the same 64 pin RAM. Anyway, if anyone has that IIfx Apple Hardware Developer Note, I'd sure like to get a copy. Jeff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Macintosh IIfx SIMMs/Information
At 13:30 -0500 08/31/2005, Jeff Walther wrote: Does anyone have a pinout/datasheet for the IIfx/LWNT 64 pin SIMMs? I'm thinking about running off a few homebrew circuit boards, but haven't been able to turn up the information on the web. Okay, I found the pinout in the Guide to the Macintosh Family Hardware. However, I'm still lacking the physical specifications, i.e. the size and shape. There should be an engineering drawing out there somewhere with the dimensions. And some discussion of the electronic attributes of the 64 pin SIMM would be nice too. The pinout shows a separate data_in and data_out pin for each bit of the SIMM. In other words, it's an eight bit SIMM, but instead of simply having eight data pins Data[0:7] it has eight Data_In[0:7] and eight Data_Out[0:7] pins. That could imply that the IIfx SIMM requires bizarre dual data ported chips, but the chip examples I've identified (thanks Bob) seem to be normal DRAM chips. It could also mean that the Data_In and Data_Out pins are simply tied together on the SIMM (at the chip data pin). That's the kind of thing that the electronic specifications for the 64 pin SIMM should tell me. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Macintosh IIfx SIMMs/Information
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:57:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Jeff Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have a pinout/datasheet for the IIfx/LWNT 64 pin SIMMs? I'm thinking about running off a few homebrew circuit boards, but haven't been able to turn up the information on the web. If you're thinking of SIMM stackers to put 4 72pin SIMMs into one IIfx slot, that's been done already. No, I'm thinking of making actual 64 pin SIMMs. However, as an aside, I do not see how the above could possibly work. 72 pin SIMMs are 32 bits wide. 64 pin SIMMs are only 8 bits wide. One might make an adapter, but at best it would convert one 72 pin SIMM into a 64 pin SIMM with 1/4 the capacity of the 72 pin SIMM. It works to convert four 30 pin SIMMs (8 bits wide each) into one 72 pin SIMM (32 bits wide total 4 X 8 = 32).It does not work to try that in the other direction. I suppose one could build a monstrosity to plug into four 64 pin sockets simultaneously and route to one 72 pin SIMM, but even that would have problems because of the ways that the 72 pin SIMMs play with addressing and the Chip Enable signals. Plus, I think that by the time you could build such a thing, it'd be easier to just desolder the chips from the 72 pin SIMM and put them on four 64 pin SIMM boards. You've got to build boards that plug into the 64 pin sockets in either case. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Macintosh IIfx SIMMs/Information
Does anyone have a pinout/datasheet for the IIfx/LWNT 64 pin SIMMs? I'm thinking about running off a few homebrew circuit boards, but haven't been able to turn up the information on the web. There is one mention in an Apple Technical Note that you can get the specs by contacting Apple Developer C--just send a postcard with the code word...a little out of date, although it might be interesting to try it. For that matter, I would love to see a copy of the Hardware Developer Notes for the IIfx. There are HDNs for the IIci, IIsi and LC on Apple's site still, but no HDNs for the IIfx. BTW, it looks like the set of IIfx SIMMs on Ebay which were recently mentioned, may contain a set of 4 MB SIMMs instead of 16 MB SIMMs. The seller very kindly read the chip numbers off to me and eight M5M44100BJ chips would appear to make a 4 MB SIMM. That's assuming that the source which says the M5M44100BJ is a 4M X 1 chip is correct. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Netiquette
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:12:22 -0600 From: Samual Acorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Top/Bottom Posting (Was: Broken LC) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] i agree that its a personal preference... just blew me away that some folk decided to get that upset and picky about it... as a side note; i consider not cutting footers being lazy as apposed to being a newbie... and i have gotten 'lazy' down to a fine art ;) [no caps... bad spelling... minimal punctuation...] Did you bother to read the house rules when you subscribed?This is not a public forum. We are playing in the List Mom's house and his rule is that you clip the footers. Try reading the etiquette to which you agreed when you signed up. Although I doubt it will have any effect. You brag about being lazy. Your laziness inconveniences hundreds of people. You have the morals of a litterbug. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Broken LC
At 15:31 -0400 08/19/2005, Vintage Macs wrote: From: Kyle Koerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Broken LC Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:16:16 -0400 Ah, sorry about the top-posting thing, i thought that it was customary to post on the bottom It is customary to post on the bottom. But the top poster just keep proliferating, probably in part because MS email clients top post by default. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Broken LC
From: John Niven [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Broken LC Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:57:14 -0700 But Apples very own Mail program does put it on the top. Anyway only Flat earth and Intelligent Design believers have to troll through all the previous posts again to follow the thread. Snigger ;-} Only Flat Earth and Intelligent Design believers top post and fail to snip all the extraneous trailing text such as the list footers, John. Bottom posting was the custom on UseNet and BBS fora for years (decades?) before some idiot at MS wrote a mail client that defaulted to top posting. The default of the software does not define the human custom. Unfortunately, there are so many new users overwhelming the old and who have no guidance except their client defaults, that top posting is now all too common. But as the FAQ says, most top posters fail to clip extraneous text, which is rude and inconsiderate. Geeze. If you're going to top post, at least edit your quoted text. The lists are getting unreadable for all the messages that include all the text from the previous three messages plus six copies of the list footer quoted and requoted, just so they can add their thirty words of non-wisdom at the top. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Dead Macintosh IIfx
From: Powermac [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 01:43:44 -0400 - Original Message - From: Jeff Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Although, as old as that machine is, anyone who wants to keep one running probably needs to learn the basics of power supply repair--at least enough to replace the capacitors every decade or so. Jeff Walther So what are the basics for PS repair (is there a PDF or book on the subject)? I wish that I knew. :-) I can replace most components skillfully, but have few skills in diagnosis. In most cases, it seems to be that power supplies fail from worn out electrolytic capacitors. So a shotgun approach that often works is to replace all the electrolytic caps in the thing. Also, look for discolored (from heat) spots and bad solder joints. I think that the way a technician would diagnose such a unit is to develop a basic understanding of what voltage is expected where in the PS either by having a schematic or working one up by examination. Then start measuring voltages either from teh input towards the output or vice versa. If you start at the output, you'd measure the output to see if it's correct. If not, move back behind the last stage of components and see if the voltage has the proper form there. Keep working backwards until teh voltage has the proper form for that stage. The failure is probably in front of that stage. If you start at the input, you'd follow the AC current in, make sure it's reaching the first component properly and then work your way forwward as in the above, until you find the stage where the voltage is not as expected. Of course, you need at least a multimeter that can handle AC and DC to do this. Before the advent of switching power supplies, a typical power supply would have a transformer as the first component. That is a bunch of coils of wire around an iron core. 120VAC would go in and a lower voltage such 18 VAC would come out the other end. Or possibly it would have two or more taps such that 18 VAC and maybe 8 VAC would come out. Then there would be a rectifier stage to convert the AC to a rough DC. This DC would have a lot of level variation in it. Then there would be a filtering stage to smooth out the DC into something useable. This was usually done with a bunch of capacitors. There might also be a solid state DC-DC voltage regulator in there to really nail the power output. And there could be filter elements included in any of the stages. On such old style power supplies its fairly easy to know what to expect and to measure the levels to see if they look okay. Switching power supplies are somewhat different animals and frankly, I don't remember the little that I read about them. IIRC, they use a solid state component that takes a higher than desired voltage and switches open and closed very fast. The duty cycle of this switching depends on the relationship between teh desired voltage and the input voltage. Then the output is smoothed out with some filtering (capacitors again, I think) and a lower voltage is achieved. I'm not sure how you'd check that the switching component of such a supply is switching properly. It's output should look something like a fast square wave and I guess you'd need an oscilloscope to check it. Of course, if the input to the switcher is good, and output is bad, and you've already replaced the filter, then the switcher is probably the place to look? Like I said, I just don't know enough about diagnosis to be confident. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Dead Macintosh IIfx
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:10:50 -0600 From: Doug McNutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dead Macintosh IIfx At 09:14 -0500 8/18/05, James Rice wrote: Nathaniel Swenson wrote: Check the PRAM batteries. As I recall, the IIfx had two of them. 3.6v lithium. I concur. Get thee a voltmeter. Also rotate the cells in the receptacles. Sometimes there are bad connections there.. There is a power switch on the back. Be sure it's on and exercise it a few times to clear out the crud. I agree with the above and will mention that IIRC the power supply for the Mac II and Mac IIx will also work in the IIfx. So if you need a replacement PS, you are not limited to PSs from the IIfx. Although, as old as that machine is, anyone who wants to keep one running probably needs to learn the basics of power supply repair--at least enough to replace the capacitors every decade or so. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: New to the list and a question
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:25:38 -0400 From: Mike Sloane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi - I am trying to get some Mac II machines (a Mac II, 2 ci's, an si, and a vx) working. I signed up for this list but am wondering if I signed up for the wrong one. If so, I would appreciate being pointed in the right direction. This is the correct list for that family of Macs. All 68030 and 68020 based machines which are not laptops or all-in-ones (compacts) fall in this list. 68040 based machines go on the Quadlist. If not, the vx has what appears to be a bad floppy drive - it thinks any diskette put in is not initialized, but the same diskette can be read by the other machines. I cleaned the head, but nothing changed. Is there a fix, or do I need to try to find a replacement? (The is just for my own amusement - until I can get the machines up and working properly, I really can't do much of anything with them.) You probably did this when you cleaned the head, but make sure there is not an accumulation of dust in the floppy. There are a couple of sensors in there that could be blocked by dust. Before you go looking for a replacement floppy drive I'd try moving a floppy from one of the other machines into the IIvx and see if that works. If so, then you probably need a replacement. They're not particularly hard to find, nor very expensive. They show up on Ebay and I know I saw them on a web based retailer's clearance list recently, but I don't remember whose. Maybe OWC or SmallDog or MacResQ. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Marathon?
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 02:28:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Marathon? In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What sort of Macintosh can run the game Marathon? What sort of Macintosh does it run really well on? Heh, heh. I have a group of friends who gather, network their Macs and play Marathon every holiday season when their in town. We've been doing this for over ten years. We started with multi-player Spaceward Ho!. Marathon is supported all the way back to the 68020, but I've played it on a IIci and it's painfully slow. Even with a Turbo601 acceleratior (PPC601/66 or 100) it's painfully slow. The graphics demands quickly saturate the graphics capabilities even with a fast NuBus card such as the Radius Thunder IV GX. In other words, the CPU isn't the bottleneck, the graphics system is the bottleneck. The game is okay on a Quadra 605. Better on a Q63x family machine because there's special support in Marathon for the Valkyrie graphics chip in those machines. It's surprising slow on the NuBus PowerMacs when played through the built-in DRAM graphics port or a NuBus card. If you use an X100 machine for Marathon, play it on a PDS based VRAM card (not the AV card). It's quite nice on an X100 machine through the PDS VRAM card. Anything with PCI will play it more than fast enough. LocalTalk networking is a bit slow for multi-player. Ethernet is really needed. So I'd say that the minimum for acceptable play is a 68040 based machine and even then, the Q605 family (LC 475/6, P475/6) may be a bit slow. NuBus graphics cards may be too slow. If play is going to be acceptable, it will be on the built-in graphics. If it's too slow on the buitl-in then it will probably be slower on a NuBus card. The game is not a 3-D game. It came before 3-D APIs. Now its predecessor, Pathways into Darkness, that will run nicely on a IIci. It's not a multi-player game, but it's a good one. There are some fun puzzles in PID. But it doesn't have the frenetic pace many folks prefer in 1st person shooters. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Found a ROM SIMM....
From: John Niven [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:43:12 -0700 In my local computer junkyard I found this SIMM in an antistatic bag, so I have no idea where it comes from. It's a 64 pin simm with a notch in the middle. It has four, socketed, EPROM's which have stickers on the top. These read: 342-073* C APPLE 1983-89 W8929 where the * is 3, 4, 5, or 6 for each EPROM. Yep, definitely a IIci ROM. I checked the part numbers on the chips for one of my IIci's and they're the same. This is the most reliable way of visually identifying Apple ROMs. Each chip will have a 342- or 343- part number on it. This is also the best way to visually identify Beige G3 ROMs. OWC had a web page with a bunch of stuff about the different circuit cards, but all one needs to do is read the part number off of the chips to know which version is in hand. There are a few ROMs out there built from EEPROM chips which may just have chip manufacturer numbers on them and no Apple part numbers. I've been told that these were development ROM modules which could be reprogrammed either in the host machine or on a machine on the bench. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Possessed IIcx
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:21:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Baret [EMAIL PROTECTED] About an hour later I was working on a 5200 whose back was to the IIcx's back (the table was a square). I went around back to pull the hard drive and suddenly I felt a random burst of cool air. I thought that's bizzare and then was in for a bigger shock. The IIcx had turned on ALL BY ITSELF!!! I shook my head, thinking I was dreaming. Nope, the IIcx had indeed turned on all by itself. No startup chime or anything. I went around front to look at it. It started up fine. Wiped the disk and then shut it down. Tried starting it up again. This time it worked. I am wondering if anyone has a rationalization behind this IIcx. I am normally a rationalist and swear by common sense, but this case is just like something out of the Twlight Zone. The power-on circuitry on the IIci and IIcx are dependent on some capacitors on the motherboard charging up properly. With age those caps deteriorate. My guess is that you have some bad caps on the motherboard and it took them a very long time to reach a large enough charge to start the machine up. I suspect that if you left it unplugged for a while, you'd find the old symptoms back. That's my guess, but it really is just a guess. But on old stuff like that, deteriorated caps is always a high probability bet. Jeff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: 6116 RA Adapter for DOS Card; Was: mac charly
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:19:40 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joey Sager) Subject: Re: mac charly Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wasn't there a Mac that had both a 68k processor for MacOS applications, and a 486 to run PC stuff? And they did it again in the PowerPC era with the 6100. I have one of the Apple cards in my closet. Not sure what to do with it because it won't plug into my 6116 without that 90 degree converter. It also hooks up to your CD-audio and (I think) it had a PC monitor output port. I was browsing Ebay, and remembered this thread when I spotted this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=25439item=5207751072rd=1 It looks like the oddball in the lot is the DOS adapter card. I'd send it direct by email, but I'm not sure I have the attributions with emails correct. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: SCSI Manager 4.3?
From: John Niven [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:12:08 -0700 I'm playing with Quadra 950's at the moment. I believe they pre-date SCSI Manager 4.3 in their ROM. But I read that this was added to OS 7.5 onwards. So does anybody know how to identify if this extension is present? I can't find one with that name and am getting very confused Based on discussion on the Quadlist and info in the Developer Notes for the Q950, I believe it is correct that the Q950 lacks SCSI Manager 4.3 in the ROMs. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: IIci Power Supply; Was: What to do with IIcx?
From: Manuel Marques [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 20:46:20 +0100 I have a IIci with a dead PSU, but it has an expansion card called TransWarp CI-50. Can anyone tell me how much would that card accelerate? I wanted to know if it worth the effort of ordering a PSU from EBay. (the only problem is that I don't know what to find - my dead one is a Astec Model No. AA15831) - can anyone tell me if I could replace it with a Quadra 610 one? From the model number it sounds like it is a 68030 running at 50 MHz, but that is only a guess based on the '50' in the model number. If that guess is correct, then it would be about 2X faster than the IIci for CPU functions, but video and disk operations would still hold you back. The IIci's power supply can be replaced by a power supply from a IIcx, IIci, IIvi, IIvx, Centris 650, Quadra 650, Quadra 700, or PowerMac 7100. That power supply had a long run in various models. The Q610 PS will not work. Actually, you can power a IIci mother board with a IIsi power supply as well, but there's no way it would fit properly in the IIci case and it does not provide as many available watts. Sellers on Ebay are likely to mention which computer the power supply came from, not the Astec model number of the power supply. You might also try places such as MacResQ and PowerOn. Oh, and the LEM list Swap List. I suspect that if you post a WTB (want to buy) to that list you will get a few responses. I find that the Swap List doesn't work for me for some reason (am happily subscribed to six other LEM lists) so I'm not a user. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
SE Upgrades: Was: What to do with IIcx?
At 02:24 -0400 05/27/2005, Vintage Macs wrote: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:49:21 -0400 From: Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What to do with IIcx? At 8:12 AM -0500 5/26/05, Keith Johnson wrote: I still have a boatload of compact Macs and other oddball workgroup servers and other odd iterations that I'll be purging this spring, if anyone's interested. I live in northeastern Illinois. One thing I'd really like to have (again): a Mac SE with a working Applied Engineering 40 MHz '030 accelerator card support for 16 MB of RAM. Or, alternatively, a Mac SE with the competing product of its time, the DayStar Digital 50 MHz '030 accelerator card (and also support for extra RAM but I don't remember if it was for 16 or what). Several companies made similar upgrades for the Plus and SE. Let's see: Total Systems (?, Total Something...), Dove, Newlife/Newbridge as well as Applied Engineering and Daystar. There were a couple more I can't remember--Gemini, I think, or that may have been the name of the product. Was there an upgrade from Novy Systems? Some of them came with video out as well as an accelerated CPU and RAM expansion. These seem to almost never show up on Ebay. I suspect that the compacts bearing them get junked with the upgrade still inside. Sigh. I was partial to the Newlife products (in my dreams, couldn't afford them at the time) for reasons I can't remember now. I think it was the price point/feature mix which matched my wants best. I did purchase and install two of the Newlife upgrades for Mac 128/512 which upped the memory to 4 MB and added SCSI--basically made a faster Plus out of them. Those were nice because they had eight SIMM sockets and used the MB RAM. So a Mac 512 could add the Newlife board, two 1 MB SIMMs (expensive) and six 256K SIMMs (basically free) and have a machine a little faster than a 4 MB Plus. Browsing through the ads in a MacWorld or MacUser from about 1992 - 1994 would probably reveal a good bit of history about which upgrades were available from which companies. I know the PCL at Univ. of TX at Austin has back issues. Jeff Walther Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Quadra 700?
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:21:02 -0400 From: Jeff Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] I still have a boatload of compact Macs and other oddball workgroup servers and other odd iterations that I'll be purging this spring, if anyone's interested. I live in northeastern Illinois. I'd be interested in a Quadra 700 if you have one. I don't mind paying for shipping + hassle, and I can put it to good use. It may not be your thing, but there are several advantages to putting a C/Q 650 motherboard in a Q700 case. Unless you have a bunch of large capacity 30 pin SIMMs laying around... Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: mac charly
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:19:40 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joey Sager) Subject: Re: mac charly Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wasn't there a Mac that had both a 68k processor for MacOS applications, and a 486 to run PC stuff? And they did it again in the PowerPC era with the 6100. I have one of the Apple cards in my closet. Not sure what to do with it because it won't plug into my 6116 without that 90 degree converter. It also hooks up to your CD-audio and (I think) it had a PC monitor output port. The Austin Goodwill Computer Store, Computer Works, had 8 - 10 of those adapters in one of their bins. But since they changed the format of the store so that you can't browse anything but monitors anymore, I don't know how you'd get one out of them now. The answer to any inquiries about stuff they might have in the huge warehouse in the back was always, No with an unspoken, and don't ask again. I mean you could see some of the stacks of stuff through the donation door/loading dock or though the windowed door to the back, but when you asked if they had items you could see, they'd say no. G. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
DB15 to VGA; Was: Color Pivot Display
At 15:30 -0500 03/28/2005, Vintage Macs wrote: Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:16:44 -0500 From: Jaimy J Sessanna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Color Pivot Display/Nubus Card - SOLVED Right now on ebay there are a lot of DB15 to VGA adapters. Just do a search for VGA to Mac. I have a bunch of these, which I sell for $4 shipped (within USA, international slightly more for shipping). Contact me off list if you are interested. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: IIci PowerSupply
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:47:06 -0500 From: classic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Probably some on eBay. The IIci used the same power supply as the IIcx. What I don't remember is if it's the same as the Quadra 700, Centris 650, Quadra 650, PowerMac 7100 boxes. Yep. Also the IIvi and IIvx. There may be slight differences in the total wattage delivered, but all those power supplies should work in the IIci. Although it won't fit in the case, you can also boot a IIci from a IIsi power supply if you need to do some bench testing and have a IIsi power supply handy. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: SE screen warp
At 15:30 -0500 03/16/2005, Vintage Macs wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:43:32 -0700 From: Doug McNutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SE screen warp At 17:47 -0800 3/15/05, bob gary wrote: I'm wondering about my SE30's screen that has a slightly off-kilter screen shape---not square. I've been told that you can tweak the shape with some controls inside like a TV, but I don't want to even think about getting near that monitor tube with the power on and the case off. Don't be so afraid. The controls are on the outside face of the power supply board. You should use a plastic or ceramic tool not so much for insulation but to prevent interference caused by the magnetic blade of a steel screwdriver. snip But then I don't remember a pincushion distortion control in an SE/30 and you may have a bad component rather than a bad adjustment. That particular adjustment requires moving little magnets on round slides which are on the narrow back (neck) of the CRT, and it pretty much must be turned on for one to do any good. I'm not sure I've ever managed to improve the screen appearance with these adjustments. There are instructions for these adjustments in Larry Pina's Macintosh Repair and Upgrade Secrets, but by the time you could find a copy, it might be easier to find a Mac, Plus, SE or SE/30 with a screen in adjustment and do a swap. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Vintage macs and Supermac Thunderstorms
At 15:30 -0500 03/07/2005, Vintage Macs wrote: Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:00:00 -0600 From: Jeff Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been tinkering with a batch of Supermac Thunderstorms with Att 16A dsps on them in photoshop 3.0. (IIci and quadra 950) This may be a stupid question, but are there any known resources about these chips, if I were to try and write a plugin to accelerate jpeg draws in web browsers instead of just photoshop. The easy answer of course would be to find cpu accelerators . . . I've searched the net for ideas with no luck. I guess these chips are pretty old. '92 I think. Thanks, There should be a more complete part number than 16A on the DSP chips. With the part number you may be able to find a datasheet for the DSP chip. However, that still won't tell you how the chip is accessed through the NuBus interface. For that, you'd need to track down some old SuperMac or Radius (Radius bought SuperMac) engineers most likely, or do some pretty good sleuthing. Postings to the comp.sys.mac.programming.* hierarchy of news groups might turn up some knowledgable folks. Searching dejanews in the same groups might also be helpful. Also, if you download the Hardware Developer Notes for the Q660AV and Q840AV from Apple there are extensive sections on the programming interface for the DSP in those machines. That may or may not give you some lateral insight into the video card DSPs. Having the datasheet for the chips might tell you something about what choices the original designers had for hooking the chips up to the host's bus though. If you can't find the datasheet elsewhere on the web, it is probably available here: http://www.freetradezone.com but they'll charge you $10 to download it. The Radius Thunder IV GX series had a similar arrangement with a daughter board called the Photoengine. It bears four ATT DSPs and may be a descendant of the SuperMac hardware. Please report back if you find anything interesting. This is an interesting line of inquiry. It would be very cool if you could accelerate web browsing on these old machines using a DSP bearing video card. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: A PowerMac 6100 can take more ram than a 7100?
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:28:56 -0500 From: classic [EMAIL PROTECTED] So your 6100 can see and use 264 megs RAM? Yes, was surprised in a way but these chips came from a seller who claimed they work in an LC 475. He wasn't kidding. http://www.kevinomura.com/6100/ I suspect this topic more properly belongs in 1st PowerMacs rather than Vintage Macs. Thank you for this information. I bought four of these SIMMs on Ebay a while back but hadn't tested them yet and wasn't certain in which machines they might work. Apparently the Samsung SIMMs turn up on Ebay from time to time. What is interesting is that the 7100 doesn't see the full capacity of these chips and I have an 8100 I can test but it's at the other end of the city so will take a while to get at it. I've seen this reported somewhere else on the web but can't remember where. Oddly, the 6100 seems to support higher capacity individual SIMMs. But the 6100 definitely supports up to 264 MB of RAM if you use the correct SIMMs. I think that I read that the 7100 will support 64 MB SIMMs in two of the slots but not in the other two. But that's a vague memory. The x100 family all use the same chip set and virtually the same ROM (the 6100 and 7100 do use the same ROM, the 8100 ROM is slightly different), so the underlying capabilities of the machines should be identical. Most likely, the SIMM sockets in the 6100 are wired just a bit differently than in the 7100. It shouldn't be that tough to trace out the connections to the SIMM sockets in the various machines--just tedious. Only other place that has big simms I have found is, http://www.micromac.com/products/bigsimms.html . But even they list the max amount of ram in these Macs at 136 mb. Maybe my 6100 can't count? Ouch. $199 and $449 for 64 MB and 128 MB SIMMs. Ha, ha, ha, ha These folks have 64 MB SIMMs for $14 http://store.yahoo.com/memorysuppliers/72pinsimms.html, though I'm not certain that they are the correct single bank type. I bought a couple from them about three years ago, but have yet to test then. One interesting thing about the boards that they sent me is that they have blank positions on the back for another set of chips. This implies (assumign they're still using the same boards) that a person handy at soldering could buy two 64 MB SIMMs, move the chips from one SIMM to the other and end up with a 128 MB SIMM for $28. A few years ago I tested memory in the Q605 which is the same as the LC and Performa 475/476. What I found is that 64 MB SIMMs need to be Single Bank in order to be properly recognized in the Q605. Double Bank is not recognized properly. I'm not sure exactly what Single Bank means, though I suspect that it has to do with using addressing to distinguish between address regions of the SIMM as opposed to using different Chip Enable lines to make the distinction. I also tested the same SIMMs in the Power 120 which is basically a PM8100. In the Power 120, the SIMMs' recognized capacities were either halved or quartered, depending on whether it was a SIMM that was fully recognized in the Q605 or not. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: A PowerMac 6100 can take more ram than a 7100?
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:34:06 -0500 From: classic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now I guess the bigger question is if 256 mb chips will work. There is a fellow out on the web with another page dedicated to the PowerMac 6100 and he makes note of these chips. I missed out on some a while ago and now kind of regret it, granted 128 might wind up being the actual maximum on the 6100 and I'll be wasting my money on these others. If you mean that you want to test a pair of 256 MB SIMMs in the 6100 to see if you can get 520 MB of RAM, then I can almost guarantee that this will not work. A careful reading of Apple's Hardware Developer Notes for the 6100/7100 and 8100 seems to say that 264 MB is the maximum memory space allocated for RAM. There were some complex details, so I could have that wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the internal memory map of those machines (set by hardware and the ROM) just doesn't support more than 264 MB of RAM. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
FWB Jackhammer SCSI card questions
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 07:03:43 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Meeks) Subject: FWB Jackhammer SCSI card questions Hi all, I just installed a Jackhammer SCSI card (with version 3.2 control panel) and connected the internal 50pin hard drive to it. It boots OK with the internal drive but whenever I try to connect an external device I get a sad Mac. Is this normal or have I not installed something properly? Thanks! The NuBus JackHammer uses actual physical termination resistors which must be removed or replaced to change the JackHammer's termination configuration. If you have a 50 pin internal drive connected and a 68 pin or 50 pin (through adapter) external drive connected then you need to remove two of the termination resistor packs and leave the third one (labeled Term 16) installed. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Motherboard Caps, was: Re: Mac SE/30
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 22:47:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Mac SE/30 From: classic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Never knew that about the caps and I have a Classic Ii and 840av I should probably check them. The IIci is also subject to that problem. In the IIci it manifests as problems in the power-on circuitry, because they are positioned such that the leakage eats through the traces for the power-on circuitry on the motherboard. I wonder about the long-term effects of the dishwasher fix. It removes the current leakage, which is good, but do the caps continue to leak? If so, they might damage actual traces or solder joints before one realizes that the board needs washing again. I think it's generally better to get the leaky caps off of the board and replace them--with nice tantalum caps that don't leak, if possible. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Turbo 601
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:14:55 -0800 (PST) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Daystar control panel also has a checkbox to enable or disable SCSI Manager 4.3, but I think it's useless because no software I ever tried on mine that required SM4.3 would detect it. My memory is hazy because it's been years since I sold my Turbo601, but IIRC that feature of the Control Panel is essential if you have a JackHammer card. There was some kind of compatibility issue. I think the JackHammer has SCSI Manager in its ROMs or something and having another copy in the Turbo601 causes problems, or something like that. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Turbo 601
At 01:38 -0600 11/16/2004, Jeff Walther wrote: Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:14:55 -0800 (PST) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Daystar control panel also has a checkbox to enable or disable SCSI Manager 4.3, but I think it's useless because no software I ever tried on mine that required SM4.3 would detect it. My memory is hazy because it's been years since I sold my Turbo601, but IIRC that feature of the Control Panel is essential if you have a JackHammer card. There was some kind of compatibility issue. I think the JackHammer has SCSI Manager in its ROMs or something and having another copy in the Turbo601 causes problems, or something like that. Jeff Walther Oops. I just read the old compatibility file. SCSI Manager needs to be *on* for use with the JackHammer. Also, there must be at least 256K of memory in the Bank A of the IIci (isn't 1 MB the non-zero minimum). I guess the Turbo 601 uses 256K out of BankA for something. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac IIci
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:41:12 -0800 From: Sherman Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:38:14 -0500, Ian Nixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was a holder for the light that came from the big, half-height Quantum hard drives. The light itself, an LED, plugs into a two-wire socket on the underside front of the hard drive. It does have a Quantum 80MB Hard Drive, but no wires coming out of it... I was just curious. It doesn't plug into the HD. It plugs into the motherboard somewhere. Sherman The hard drive activity light plugs into the hard drive, not into the motherboard. Most hard drives have a set of jumpers for driving an activity light. If one connects an LED to those jumpers in the correct polarity the LED lights whenever there is hard drive activity. One can identify the correct jumpers by looking at the datasheet for each particular hard drive. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: SCSI-3 on Mac IIci
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Robert Kehrer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SCSI-3 on Mac IIci Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:43:49 -0700 Does anyone know of a way to get a Ultra Fast Wide SSCSI-3 HD working with a Mac IIci? Did anyone ever make a Nubus SCSI board that would do this? Atto and FWB both built Fast Wide Nubus cards which will work in the IIci.They are not Ultra, but your Ultra drive should automatically drop back to Fast from Ultra. The Atto card is the SE IV and the FWB card is the JackHammer. There was also a PCI JackHammer, so shop carefully. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Vintage Mac Questions
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 04:28:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Classic is essentially a Mac Plus+. Same CPU, same video but better SCSI and 32bit clean ROM with Picking nits here. The ROM in the Classic is not 32 bit clean because the Classic cannot support 32 bit addressing. This is not a software or firmware limitation, in the case of the Classic. The issue is that it uses the 68000 processor and the 68000 processor only has 24 address pins, hence 24 bit addressing--one bit per pin. This is why the Mac OS started out as a 24 bit addressing operating system. The first Mac was based on the MC68000 processor which had 24 address bits. When Apple built machines with the 68020 and 68030 processors, then they had 32 address bits available in the hardware, but it took them several models before they updated the firmware of new machines and the Mac OS to take advantage of it. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: New Mac IIci User!
came out before the above mentioned cards, but the ones I mentioned above are probably the best performers you'll find. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
IIfx Memory, Was: Re: IIsi questions
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 21:57:03 -0400 From: Terry Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Walther wrote: The other issue would be finding the dual ported RAM chips, but I bet that could be done with some looking around. SGRAM is dual-ported. Terry Mathews The S in SGRAM stands for Synchronous, which means that SGRAM is triggered off of a clock signal. Memory in older machines, which means everything before the Beige G3, is asynchronous which means that the data comes out or goes in based on some relationship to the address and various Enable signals with no clock. In other words, one can't use Synchronous RAM chips in the IIfx without going through the kinds of gyrations that would amount to building a new motherboard for the IIfx. There may be dual ported asynchronous graphics chips around that could be adapted, but any parts of that type are most likely not being manufactured any more. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIsi questions
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 12:59:19 +1000 From: Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Agreed, its amazing what you can do with 20mb, its a shame about the ram in the fx, 1990-1992 was the option for 72 pin far off or did apple have a corner of the 64-pin market? ;) The 64 pin SIMMs appear to have separate Data-In and Data-Out busses, which is different from normal memory where the Data-In and Data-Out are the same bus. Separate busses for reading and writing (In and Out) could improve performance, and because Apple tried to soup the IIfx up in every way imaginable at the time, that's probably why they used the weird RAM. It wouldn't be too hard to design and build some larger 64 pin SIMMs if one could find an affordable source for .050 thick printed circuit boards. These days .063 is the standard and so all the specials are on .063. You have to pay regular hurt-me-till-I-charge-it prices for .050 boards. The other issue would be finding the dual ported RAM chips, but I bet that could be done with some looking around. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 30 pin simms
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 04:54:56 -0500 Subject: 30 pin simms From: R. A. Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've just about Chipmunk'd myself blind and cannot get a definitive answer on some 30 pin simms. They all have 8 OKI 514100A-70SJ chips (20625069A9Z) I just need to determine the size (meggage) of each stick. Anyone got some of these or any insight? Hey Sungod, The MSM514100D-DL is a 4M X 1 chip so the MSM514100A probably is as well. Eight of them would make a 4M X 8 SIMM or a 4 MB SIMM. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Twin or Single SCSI Bus
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:21:42 +0800 Subject: Re: Twin or Single SCSI Bus From: John Niven [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been using FWB HDTK (Version 3.something) to format and setup the drives. I can get all 5 drives to work as single drives, and with OS 8.1 installed on one, the machine will boot. For some reason, in this mode, it will not boot from the CDROM. Is this because one of the drives on the JackHammer is ID 3 as is the CDROM? My real disappointment is that I had intended to create a RAID array by striping the disks, but if I do this, and install OS8.1 on the stripe, the machine just will NOT re-boot :-( Any suggestions? Have you tried RAID Toolkit 1.8? The RAID support in HDTK 3 is kind of crappy but RTK was a good product back in the day. I ran a RAID on my IIci and JackHammer card using RTK back when (four ST32550W). I've also used RTK to run a bootable RAID on a Power Computing Power 120, so it supports a range of machines that should include the Q950. I'm not sure about OSs beyond 7.6.1 though. I think I was definitely avoiding OS8 back then. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Twin or Single SCSI Bus
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:50:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: clip Nubus Powermacs are a bit of a grey area, I thought they were all single SCSI bus but others have told me that (at least) the 7100 is twin, which makes me think the 8100 probably is too. Dunno about the 6100, but the 9150 is for certain. Yup, the 7100 and 8100 (and clones like the Radius 81/110) are dual SCSI bus. What's different about the 9150 other than it was only sold as a server? Picking nits here--the 7100 is single SCSI bus. The 8100 and 9150 have dual SCSI busses and were the first machines to have fully supported dual busses on the motherboard. The 9150 has four NuBus slots instead of three and includes a different AMIC chip (Fat AMIC) to support the additional slot (and probably supports up to 5 NuBus slots). Power Computing's Power 80/100/120 machines were 8100 clones but they had spots on the motherboard for 5 NuBus slots though only three connectors were installed.And the AMIC chip in those machines is on the I/O card, not on the motherboard, so in theory, Power Computing could have built a Fat I/O card with the Fat AMIC chip and then five NuBus slots would have been supported on the motherboard which was ready for them. I suspect that Apple wouldn't sell them the Fat AMIC chips. The Q900 (I think) and Q950 (definitely) were the first machines to have dual busses on the motherboard, but there was a hitch. There are two 53C96 SCSI controller chips on the motherboard, so there are two electrically seperate SCSI busses each with its own requirements for termination and each separate and independent from the other SCSI bus. But the two busses are treated as one bus logically, meaning that you can't duplicate SCSI ID's between the two busses and so are limited to a total of 7 SCSI devices instead of the 14 you would expect. That is the software and ROM of the Q9x0 thinks that there is only one SCSI bus there.SCSI Manager 4.3 added support for multiple SCSI busses. If you load SCSI Manager 4.3 or one of the later OSs which have it built in, then the two busses are (may be?) treated as separate logical busses and the full complement of 14 drives is supported with the additional exception that at boot time, any drive you are booting from or otherwise need access to before the OS loads needs to have a unique SCSI ID amongst both busses. This is because this old machine does not have SCSI Manager 4.3 support in the ROM and so the two physical busses/one logical bus limitation holds until the OS has managed to load a copy of SM4.3 and everything that happens before that needs to follow the old rules that applied when the Q9x0 shipped. An interesting experiment here is to install a JackHammer SCSI card in the Q9x0. Reputedly, the JackHammer has SM4.3 in its on board ROM and so the question is whether having the Jackhammer present will lend support for both built-in SCSI busses before the OS loads. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Quickdraw Color/IWII; Was: Re: ScuzzyGraph Anyone?
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:30:20 -0400 From: Byron Q. Desnoyers Winmill [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 07:51:20PM -0500, Derek R. Morton wrote: A mint condition ScuzzyGraph! Amazingly rare... which the BuyItNow prices attests to. Not my personal cup of tea as I am more into the Quadra series, but still! I believe (my memory does get foggy as the years pass) the graphics are somewhat primitive in that there is only one bit per color (8 total colors including black, white, primary and secondary), but you do get color out of your Plus. On a slight tangent: while the 8 colours may also be a limitation of the adapter, it is also a limitation of QuickDraw. I seem to recall reading that the non-Colour QuickDraw could support 8 colours, a feature which was supposed to be used for colour printers. Correct. This becomes apparent if one connects an IWII (Imagewriter II) to a Mac Plus and installs the four color ribbon. In general, you can't print color. But use an application like Excel in which one can assign colors to cells and then print to the IWII and voila, color. I think. It's been years since I tried this experiment, so I may be off a bit. IIRC, the Apple driver (extension) for the IWII only supports regular Quickdraw so it's limited to 8 colors as well, even if you connect it to a more capable computer. If you want real color printing from the IWII then you need Microspot's MacPalette II software. This is an extension (print driver) for the IWII which will use the four color ribbon to print up to 24 bit color graphics, all done with various dithering algorithms to mix the color dots on the page. The images printed that way are not great (what is it? 144 dpi or 72 dpi?) but they are amazingly good compared to what I expected from a dot matrix printer doing color. MacPalette II comes in a serial version and an Appletalk version. I've used it with all the OS 7's through OS 9.1 and it works great. My only complaint is that it prints everything in tall adjusted, so if you use it to print text it looks like crap.Perhaps, I'm missing some detail about printing text which I have forgotten over the years. I don't remember having this problem when I first got it, but I may not have tried text then. Anyway, the regular IWII driver works fine for text, but it would be nice to use the MacPalette II driver for text documents as well, as MP II includes a print spooler, so that printing to the IWII doesn't tie up one's computer during the printing. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Clock Chipping, Was: Re: How about a 64MB...
The discussion of clock chipping the LCIII and the level of uncertainty in the conversation makes me think it might be time to post this link again. This was the place where all clock chipping lore was collected in the distant past. For pre-PowerPC machines it's still the place to start, IMO. http://homepage.mac.com/schrier/mhz.html The methods for the LCIII and the LC475/Q605 variants are definitely there. Plus the IIsi, Quadras, etc. Marc even posted an article by me there. It's mostly useless now but it's about the Daystar Turbo601/66 to 100 conversion. Since the ICS9178 chip hasn't been available in years it's not much use unless you're willing to kill an 8100 or a Power 100 or Power 120 for it. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mixing wide and narrow SCSI. Re: Stupid Seller?
From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Mixing wide and narrow SCSI. Re: Stupid Seller? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:05:25 + With a Jackhammer and a 10krpm Cheetah 18XL I can almost grab at 30 fps 640x480 but it drops a frame every 2 secs or so. I can easily grab [EMAIL PROTECTED] though. I think as a noticably faster card the SEIV will give me the extra oomph required to capture full res 30fps on the old 840av. Dunno what the Media 100 is like for output so can't say for certain. Have you tried fiddling the settings on the JackHammer card? The Jackhammer CP gives you a lot of options. One fellow over at Macgurus wrote that the SEIV was faster than the JackHammer in stock configuration but he was able to adjust the JackHammer to be about as fast. Also the JackHammer seems to have better compatibility overall. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac stories on folklore.org
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:14:50 -0500 From: Bryan Kattwinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Original Macintosh Anecdotes about the development of Apple's original Macintosh computer, and the people who created it. (73 stories) I've spent several hours over the past week reading these fascinating stories, mostly from Andy Hertzfeld. The site celbrates the 20th anniversary of the Mac introduction. http://www.folklore.org/ Hmmm.. That looks interesting. I've been wondering about a hardware detail for a few months now. Doing a Google search on the part number for the 9 black and white CRT used in the compacts, I came across a company selling replacements along with the circuit board for black and white security monitors.When I got the things some examination revealed that the circuitry on board is nearly identical to the early Mac analog boards. So now I'm wondering if they lifted the video circuitry for the original Mac from an early 9 black and white security monitor These CRTs were meant as replacements fro the security monitors but they're the same model of CRT used in teh Macs, and the atttached circuit board has nearly identical components. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Stupid Seller?
From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Stupid Seller? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:52:04 + http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemitem=2779557850category=16178 He claims it's not Mac Compatible. I looked it up on Seagate's site here: http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/scsi/st32550n.html And it looks perfectly standard... Anyone else know anything different? The auction is over, so I guess this is moot, but... The drive in question is a Seagate ST32550N. I have used several of these in my Macs. I had a RAID of four drives made up of two 32550Ns and two 32550Ws, i.e. two narrow and two wide drives. So they definitely work in the Mac. Caveats: The seller says this is a Compaq drive. I have run into a few Compaq drives which appeared to be standard hard drive models, which just wouldn't work in a Mac. I think they might have had custom firmware or a weird block size or something. So it could be something like that. Even if this drive will work, you probably wouldn't want it. The ST32550N is one of the first Barracuda drives spinning at 7200 RPM. Ah, you say, but that's a good thing. No, because this drive is from something like 1995. It whines like a banshee.That machine with four of them in a RAID--I had to install sound absorbing material for speakers in the computer case to make the drive noise tolerable. And they generate a tremendous amount of heat. In normal operation they become almost too hot to touch. Finally, they're *slow*. This is probably not a problem for your application because your Mac's SCSI is probably slower. But, despite the drive's 10 MB/s interface, it won't deliver more than 6 MB/s in the real world. The heads and platters are old slow technology. I would keep an eye out for something like the IBM DCAS-32160. They're a little bit whiney, but nothing like the ST32550N. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: SE/30 Ethernet Card
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 07:04:41 -0800 From: Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, the ethernet card for the SE/30 is a two part thing. one part in the slot and another connected via a ribbon cable mounted to the chassis frame so it sticks out the back of the case. On the compact Macs list yesterday, someone mentioned a supplier that had several hundred new ones at $1.00 each plus $7.00 sh. The supplier is Small Dog Electronics who is also a list sponsor. A classy outfit in my experience. The LC style cards will not work in the SE/30, BTW.The SE/30 requires a card made for the SE/30 or the IIsi. Those are the only two machines that have that particular type of PDS slot. Other machines used the same physical connector, but are wired differently. Some Apple documentation claims that the IIfx PDS slot is the same, but reports seem to indicate that it isn't. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Macintosh IIci troubles
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 00:09:13 + (UTC) From: Terence Dennis Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I replaced the PS, and still, it shuts itself off after a while. Unless I have had two power supplies go bad in the same way, it would seem that the trouble lays elsewhere. I shall try the mobo next. A good cleaning seems to be in order. Despite someone's earlier somewhat scoffing comment on the topic, the problem in these cases really does lie with the motherboard most times. The root cause is that the surface mount electrolytic capacitors leak after many years. They leak corrosive. The corrosive sits on your motherboard and eats the solder and the traces and eventually things (like the sound and power up circuitry) stop working. The capacitors in question are little silver cans about 1/4 in diameter. They look like tiny gasoline storage tanks (the big ones in tank farms) scattered about the board, but concentrated in the rear right corner. There are some smaller ones as well. They need to be replaced, as they may continue to leak and add new corrosive to the board after you've cleaned it. Also, a close examination of the board may reveal the corroded solder joint or trace which has undone your sound. If you aren't interested in soldering, then a new IIci board from Ebay is a better bet and likely about as cheap, but any board will develop or already has developed this same problem.It's also a problem on the SE/30 boards and we discuss it regularly on the Compact Macs list. The old capacitors are simple to remove. It requires two soldering pencils. If you do not have them, Radio Shack has a nice 15 watt model with a three pronged plug for under $10. A pair of those will do nicely. Allow the pencils to heat. Then apply one to each side of a capacitor where it is soldered to a pad on the board. Wait until the capacitor comes loose on its own. Don't lift it forcefully as you might pull the pad off of the circuit board. Also, don't grind the pencil into the board. There's a tendency to do the latter, if one feels that the pencil isn't making good contact and heating the work properly. Replacement caps are available from Digi-Key and other places (probably Mouser). Digi-Key isn't so great a choice for this kind of thing because they have a $25 minimum or they charge a $5 surcharge and the needed caps cost about $3 or $4 total. Gamba, on the Compact Macs list has been recommending that folks replace these caps with SM Tantalum capacitors. The tantalum caps will not leak corrosive onto the board so they are a more permanent fix rather than a six to ten year fix. They are more expensive costing about $.50 each or thereabouts rather than $.15 - .$20 each. To solder a replacement in place, first clean the pads. Do this by using some desolder braid (also available at Radio Shack, but I prefer the Chemtronics brand Chemwick available from Digi-key or Mouser) to remove the solder on the pads. Then clean the pads and surrounding area with isopropyl alcohol and a swab or spray it with a flux remover.Then tin one pad by melting just a bit of solder onto it.Then place the capacitor in place, melt the solder on the one pad with a soldering pencil, and push the end of the capacitor into place on the pad. The pushing is usually easiest done with a small short screwdriver or similar implement--tweezers work well too. Once you have one end of the capacitor soldered into place, it is simple to solder the other end. If I was doing an entire board, I'd inspect the board for discolored areas which might lead me to damage caused by corrosion. Then I'd remove all the electrolytic caps. Then clean the entire board with a flux remover (Frys has Flux Off for $5.99 a can) or other spray solvent, then repair any corroded or damaged solder joints or traces, and then install the new capacitors. I'd offer to do this for folks for a nominal fee, but shipping the board both ways would make it not very worth it. Back around '94 or '95 a company was doing this for folks for about $100, but that was back when a IIci was still worth about $1000. They advertised in the news groups (usenet). Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: HP-9600se CD-RW SCSI drive
Apologies if this is a duplicate. I'm not sure if this was sent before I lost my out-box TOC. From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:31:36 + On Dec 31, 2003, at 03:00 am, Jeff Walther wrote: If they're SCSI, then connectivity should not be a problem.The big question is whether Toast or other CDRW software supports the drive. Newer version of Toast do support it (see xlr8yourmac.com). Essentially anything that allows me to burn to it will do as long as it works ok. Does the burner/writer software support the drive, and does whatever you use for a CDROM driver support the drive. Primarily the drive has to Read. The fact it's a 32x reader is a big bonus. I get sick of waiting for stuff to install form a 2x CD drive on older machines. Burning is really only a secondary consideration, but it would be nice to be able to burn CDs, esp from machines with old hard drives etc. After you get yours could you let the rest of us know hwere you found them and how much they are? Assuming it's a mail order place and not a local shop. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: HP-9600se CD-RW SCSI drive
From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:31:36 + On Dec 31, 2003, at 03:00 am, Jeff Walther wrote: If they're SCSI, then connectivity should not be a problem.The big question is whether Toast or other CDRW software supports the drive. Newer version of Toast do support it (see xlr8yourmac.com). Essentially anything that allows me to burn to it will do as long as it works ok. Does the burner/writer software support the drive, and does whatever you use for a CDROM driver support the drive. Primarily the drive has to Read. The fact it's a 32x reader is a big bonus. I get sick of waiting for stuff to install form a 2x CD drive on older machines. Burning is really only a secondary consideration, but it would be nice to be able to burn CDs, esp from machines with old hard drives etc. After you get yours could you let the rest of us know hwere you found them and how much they are? Assuming it's a mail order place and not a local shop. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: HP-9600se CD-RW SCSI drive
From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: HP-9600se CD-RW SCSI drive Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:43:00 + Apologies for the cross post it's just I'm enquiring about a large range of Macs in 1 fell-swoop as it where. I have found a company selling HP 9600se CD-RW external drives quite cheap. They are 8x12x32 drives and use a SCSI-2 compact 50-way interface. HP only support their use on a PC running Windows. Does anyone have any idea if they work on a either a SCSI PowerMac or a 68k Mac? I don't want to buy it if it's not Mac compatible, as I really only want it as a fast external drive and easy backup device for my older If they're SCSI, then connectivity should not be a problem.The big question is whether Toast or other CDRW software supports the drive. I would check on the web to see if it's on the list of supported drives for Toast, or whatever your favorite CDRW software is. I think Adaptec has Toast these days, so you'd probably check the Adaptec site. There are actually two components to CDRW support. Does the burner/writer software support the drive, and does whatever you use for a CDROM driver support the drive. The latter is only necessary if you want to use the drive to *read* CDs in addition to burning them. And, in fact, Toast comes with an extension which takes care of the reading, but I like to skip that extension and just use Intech's CD Tools to read all of my CDROM/DVDROM drives. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Monitor Meltdown - did I kill my expensive monitor?
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:50:10 -0600 (CST) From: Bill Judson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does the light on the front still light up when you power on? If so, there still may be hope...maybe the card you were trying to start it up with didn't do the resolution the monitor supports, now its PRAM, so to speak, is all fouled up. Is there some way of resetting it? Some button? Some expensive monitors have flash RAM, if you start them up in a certain way, with a certain combination of buttons pushed, they revert to factory settings. The Intellicolor 20e has a little recessed reset button on the left end of the row of buttons on front. The original poster could try that button. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Monitor Meltdown - did I kill my expensive monitor?
From: Greg Shafritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:37:30 -0500 Now, no matter WHAT I do, I can't get an image to appear on this monitor anymore. I've tried connecting it to different video cards, different computers (IIci, Quadra 840av, WGS 9150 etc.)... but NOTHING seems to be able to produce an image on this monitor. Has anybody seen behavior like this before? What can I do about it? I wouldn't be so upset if this was a little 12 or 13 inch monitor, but this is my brand-new 20-inch Radius Intellicolor 20e flat screen Trinitron monitor that I paid a LOT of money for. I have a couple of those. They're nice, but I don't think any of them still qualify as brand new. Anyway, the monitor cable on these puppies is a little weird. It is detachable and has a Mac (DB15) plug at one end and a VGA (HD15) plug at the other end. The monitor has two input ports (only one usable at a time), one of which is a Mac and the other is a VGA port. Try turning the cable around so that the Mac end is plugged into the monitor and the VGA end is available for connection to your computer. Then use a Mac to VGA adapter to connect the cable to your video card. As I say, this is a long shot, but I've never heard of a monitor problem causing a plaid design. That sure sounds like a computer or video card problem. I know you tried it with other cards and everything else is fine, but switching the cable around is easy, so it's worth a try, assuming you have a Mac-VGA adapter on hand. It is possible that the monitor is just dead. These puppies are *old*. Like at least six years old unless someone else picked up the Radius monitor line after Radius folded. Anyone know? I have a vague memory of KD something or other picking up either the Radius or the Supermac monitors, but it's vague. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Need SCSI / RAID advice!!
From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Need SCSI / RAID advice!! Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:20:50 + On Dec 6, 2003, at 12:17 am, Jeff Walther wrote: Well now you've got me scratching my head. The SEIV is a Fast Wide card, isn't it? As far as I know there's no Ultra-SCSI card for NuBus Macs. Theoretical maximum on a FW bus is 20 MB/s. So I'm sitting here slack jawed trying to figure out how you got 30 MB/s out of a 20 MB/s maximum speed bus. :-)Is there a detail missing here? Two SEIVs in the same machine perhaps? The jury is still out here. I can't work out from my extensive googling what it is but there seem to be a majority of people flagging it as Ultra-Wide. I certainly thought it was. And I did get more than 20MB/s off it. Getting more than 20 MB/s is convincing.I would not rely on polling of folks or sites on the internet though. However, if you know the people/source in question, that's a different matter. The reason I would not rely on polling is that there are an awful lot of people out there who apparently never heard of Fast Wide.So when they think they need to preface 'Wide' with some other SCSI words, they *always* say 'ultrawide' even when it isn't. For example, some years ago OWC was selling the ST15150 as a Ultra-SCSI drive or Ultra-Wide SCSI drive (depending on whether it was an N or W) but the ST15150 was never Ultra. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Need SCSI / RAID advice!!
From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Need SCSI / RAID advice!! Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:56:00 + It doesn't, as far as I know, it's not a very fast card. It is designed with seamless compatibility in mind and thus doesn't use any of the crazy hacks other cards used to increase speed. I have 2 10,000 rpm U160 Seagate Cheetah drives on mine and they rarely get past 10 or 12MB/s. The same drives in a RAID 0 array on an ATTO Silicon Express NuBus card (in the same machine) tunred in close to 30MB/s and would top 20MB/s stand-alone. Thus I can only conclude the card isn't that fast. ATTO SEIV cards are still bootable (after a firmware upgrade) and are a devil to get working, but blow me they FLY, and yes they do use block transfers. Well now you've got me scratching my head. The SEIV is a Fast Wide card, isn't it? As far as I know there's no Ultra-SCSI card for NuBus Macs. Theoretical maximum on a FW bus is 20 MB/s. So I'm sitting here slack jawed trying to figure out how you got 30 MB/s out of a 20 MB/s maximum speed bus. :-)Is there a detail missing here? Two SEIVs in the same machine perhaps? Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Need SCSI / RAID advice!!
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:20:44 -0800 From: John Niven [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a good point. Somebody told me the NuBus bus only could do 10Mb/s. When I get the stripe mounted and running I'm only getting 4~5 MB/s. So I wasn't expecting much. This was more about RAID/SCSI hands-on education :-) NuBus runs at 10 MHz. However, it is 4 bytes wide (32 bits) so the theoretical maximum transfer over NuBus is 40 MB/s or 320 Mb/s. However, because of transaction overhead and such you can't expect to actually see that performance. If your NuBus card's firmware uses block transfers (transfers several cycles of data for a single address cycle) then you can get pretty close to 40 MB/s in theory, but still probably not closer than 7/8. FWB was a good company in the distant past, so I expect that the JackHammer does use/support block transfers. A single drive of a more modern vintage could supply close to the 20 MB/s potential of the JackHammer. But, that might cost money of course... Originally I had visions of doing more than 2 drives in one of the more secure RAID schemes. I liked the idea of having some secure storage available on my home network. I've just got hung up making the basics work. Also FWB HDTK can only do RAID 0 or RAID 1 :-( Got any other s/w suggestions? I am not aware of any RAID solutions beyond level 0 and 1 for Macintosh NuBus systems. There was probably something, somewhere, which was rare and expensive, but it certainly wasn't common and probably wasn't a software solution. However, for data security on a NuBus system, I would probably pick up a few modern wide SCSI drives which will deliver 20 MB/s of real world performance (this is very different from the advertised interface transfer rates) and RAID them in a level 1 (mirrored) RAID. Each drive will max out the JackHammer during transfers and while writes would probably be at half speed (~10 MB/s because you're writing to two drives) most of the RAID level 1 software will interleave the reads so that you should get close to 20 MB/s on reads. Another trick is to get something like a Quadra 900 or 950 and install two JackHammers and spread the drives across the JackHammers. However, Kaye Yum tried this and found that performance was not improved. He may have been using SoftRAID though. I'm not sure if anyone's tried it with an older version of RAID ToolKit. SoftRAID is relatively recent so it may not have optimized NuBus transfers the way it does on PCI systems. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Turbo 601 and the IIvi/vx Re: IIsi vs No Cofee
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 00:11:07 -0800 (PST) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Turbo 601 for the IIci was also sold for the IIvi and IIvx, but there was a bug in it that limited their onboard video to a max of 256 colors. Since the T601 was designed before the release of the vi/vx, DayStar never considered anything about onboard video that would do 16 or 24 bit color. After shipping off the Turbo 601 to Daystar, it would come back with a different version of the control panel, along with allowing the IIvi/vx onboard video to work properly. I've yet to find a copy of that version of the control panel. I think there's some detailed info about this at the Unofficial Turbo601 Site assuming that it is still up. I haven't been there in a long time. There's also info on getting the T601 to work or not work with later OS versions. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Need SCSI / RAID advice!!
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:02:53 -0800 From: John Niven [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks to Desert Fox, Harbourmaster, and Mark Benson for your responses! I still need help :-( I've successfully used FWB RAID Toolkit on my 840av. I built an array using 2 8GB U160 drives hangin' off a Jackhammer. I'd do it again but I struggle to find anywhere to put the Boot drive (on the internal bus) as the 840av only has 2 drive bays! Ah! When I started this project I imagined having the two wide HD's on the 68 pin cable of the Jackhammer on their own. I was hopping to create a striped volume, then put a system folder on it, and be able to boot from this striped volume. I thought that would speed up the system. Is this never going to be possible (you say you needed a boot drive)? This should be completely possible, barring bugs in HDTK. As I recall, version 3.x had some kind of problem wtih Adaptec controllers, but I never heard of a problem with the NuBus JackHammer. I too have created a bootable RAID using a NuBus Jackhammer, but I also used RAID Toolkit from FWB rather than HDTK. One RAID had four Seagate ST32550W drives on a IIci and another had two ST32550Ws and two ST32550Ns on a PCC Power 120. The two Ws were on the JackHammer and the two Ns were one each on the narrow built-in SCSI busses. Your problem does indeed sound like an issue with termination or cabling. However, another thing to look for is whether you've set the RAID volume as automount and bootable using the appropriate utility. FWB changed this need and the utility at some point, but I think it was still in a separate app from the main HDTK app in version 3.x. Also, make sure that no drives are supplying termination power. The JackHammer card supplies term power and I know from experience (the ST32550 RAID) that having multiple drives supplying it can cause a problem. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIsi vs No Cofee
From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IIsi vs No Cofee Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:11:35 + On Nov 30, 2003, at 06:17 pm, J.S. Garrison wrote: the IIsi goes to 33 megs with two 16's, one meg on board. I didn't know it had a whole *1MB* on the board ;-). You both probably know this, but the IIsi goes to 65 MB with four 16 MB SIMMs. There was a guy with the user name Sun guk or Sun_yuk or some such selling what appeared to be hundreds of them on Ebay. I don't know if he's still around. I think he was pricing them at $15 per set of four. And, with that spiffy angle adapter, you put in the Daystars I mentioned for the IIci. 68040/40 or 68030/50. Can you get a Turbo601 on that adapter? If so it has the LCIII drawn for CPU upgrades. When Daystar was selling the Turbo601 there was a model for the IIsi. Daystar claimed that the right angle adapter for the Turbo601 was different from the right angle adapter for the Turbo040. However, they also claimed that the Turbo601 card for the IIci was different from the Turbo601 for the IIsi and I've examined them right down to the placement of the resistors, and they're the same, so unless they were installing different firmware between the two models and somehow hacking the flash updater to know the difference, a Turbo601 is a Turbo601...And the adapters *might* be the same as well. Anyway, the short answer is that there are indeed Turbo601s sold for the IIsi in existence. Finding one might be challengin. Finding one where the right angle adapter hasn't been lost along the way even more so. The Turbo601 was an expensive upgrade for a IIsi with its limited expansion. It made much more sense for the IIci. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: E-Machines ColorLink Video/E-net Card
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:02:19 -0800 From: J.S. Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/18/03 9:49 PM, Jeff Walther at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone using a Colorlink card by Emachines? Is the ethernet portion compatible with Open Transport? I ask, because I have a Futura IISX with the ethernet daughterboard and the card freezes my IIci when the OT extensions load. It works fine with Classic Networking. So I'm wondering if the ColorLink has the same problem. Jeff Walther There are three versions of the ColorLink. COLORLINK DC/T COLORLINK SX/2 COLORLINK SX/T None of which has any info I can find about an ethernet daughtercard. If you can list the exact model, maybe more info can be found. Yes, the info in the video section on Lowendmac.com is pretty sketchy on these cards. For one thing, I have the XL2, which isn't even mentioned. For another, all of the above cards have 10baseT built in (not on a daughter card) but that isn't mentioned. The XL2 has a 10base2 connector, the BNC you mention in your next posting, I suspect. The daughter card ethernet is on the Futura IISX. The Colorlink had it built in to the main card. I guess that was the Colorlink's claim to fame. Anyway, googling turned up about six links. There's somewhat more in dejanews (google groups) but nothing about Open Transport compatibility. Most of the posts probably predate wide spread use of Open Transport. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
E-Machines ColorLink Video/E-net Card
Anyone using a Colorlink card by Emachines? Is the ethernet portion compatible with Open Transport? I ask, because I have a Futura IISX with the ethernet daughterboard and the card freezes my IIci when the OT extensions load. It works fine with Classic Networking. So I'm wondering if the ColorLink has the same problem. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Strange lines on screen w/Supermac Thunder II GX - is the VRAM bad?
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:07:15 -0800 From: John Niven [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 03:54 PM, Jeff Walther wrote: Identify the power pin on the memory chips. Now, unless the memory chips are 'J' lead, it should be possible (with careful soldering) to lift the power pin of the memory chips one at a time. This will completely disable that chip and by observing the affects you may be able to determine which is the faulty chip. Not a bad idea Jeff! Except that now the chip has no power, and it's inputs are being driven. The typical ESD input protection circuit may well pull down the address/data bus and prevent any of the memories working properly. Maybe there is a chip select pin that could be disabled instead. Good point, although I think that the ESD only kicks in at voltages well above the normal operating range. But ESD circuits are not something with which I am strongly acquainted. Anyway, operating on the Chip Enable or Chip Select pin would work nicely and might be easier. Most of those seem to be active low, so you could probably disable the chip, just by tieing it to 5V. H. That may raise other issues though. Mightn't there be other chips on the same CE_ circuit. One probably still needs to disconnect the pin from the pad (to avoid affecting other chips) and then tie it high. Or, I think I saw a SM Thunder II on Ebay in the Apple Mac/Video section currently at $2 with no bids... Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Strange lines on screen w/Supermac Thunder II GX - is the VRAM bad?
At 15:30 -0500 11/13/2003, Vintage Macs wrote: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:46:07 -0800 From: John Niven [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 07:46 PM, Greg Shafritz wrote: Here's what I'm thinking could be the problem: 1. A bad VRAM chip on the video card 2. A defect in the special adapter cable that this card uses (13w3 to DB-15 adapter) Sounds like a bad VRAM chip. The problem is to tell which one. If you have a scope you might find it that way (looking at the VRAM output pins for one with no activity). Put your finger on each in turn - see if one is running hot. Also look carefully at the plastic package of each. Excessive heat can lead to a discoloring as the plastic starts to breakdown. You might also try freezer spray, an aerosol can which you spay onto each chip in turn. This cools the chip and may make it temporarily come back to life. Depending on what type of memory chips were used there may be another possibility. Look up the datasheet for the memory chips used which will give you a pinout diagram of the chips. I can help find the datasheet if you post the markings on the chips, though my best source went paid subscription recently, so they're harder to find than they were. Identify the power pin on the memory chips. Now, unless the memory chips are 'J' lead, it should be possible (with careful soldering) to lift the power pin of the memory chips one at a time. This will completely disable that chip and by observing the affects you may be able to determine which is the faulty chip. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 68-pin SCSI to 50/25 pin
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:35:46 -0600 (CST) From: Bill Judson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 68-pin SCSI to 50/25 pin Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then one day it stops working, and you declare SCSI voodoo when what really happened is that it was wrong all along and suddenly the SCSI bus noticed. A silicon circuit that suddenly pops its head up notices something. How is that not worthy of the term Voodoo? :O) I was, of course, using the colorful description as shorthand for the plethora of technically valid changes in condition which could cause that event. :-) No, I'm still not going to try to list them. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 68-pin SCSI to 50/25 pin
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:23:24 -0800 (PST) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] A 68 to 50 pin narrow adapter must include active termination of the high byte. The 68 pin devices then must all be between the controller and the 50 pin devices. Alternatively, if your adapter does not terminate the high byte (top 18 wires) then you should put your 68 pin drive at the end of the SCSI cable, and enable termination on the 68 pin drive--assuming it is not a U2W drive which does not have on-board termination. In this configuration, you are limited to one and only one adapted 68 pin drive on the cable because it must go at the end of the cable. These complications of termination are why I strongly recommend against folks using adapted drives, including the widely available SCA drives. If you know what you're doing it can be made ot work, but if you don't know, and aren't inclined to carefully study SCSI termination issues, then adapting a 68 pin or 80 pin drive to a narrower bus is a *bad idea*. To make things worse, SCSI voodoo, as its called, happens because sometimes (often) SCSI will appear to work even when you configure things incorrectly. This can lead to unnoticed corruption of your devices, or just a bus that works okay and lends you a false sense of security. Then one day it stops working, and you declare SCSI voodoo when what really happened is that it was wrong all along and suddenly the SCSI bus noticed. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Critiques On An Accelerated Mac
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:56:35 + From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 02:56 AM, Jeff Walther wrote: On the LC475, the fan and speaker have wires with plugs at the end I know - I wrote a how-to on changing the logic board a year ago and I've cleaned, upgraded and re-assembled more LC machines than you've had hot dinners :). I phrased my answer slightly wrong I think, what I meant was 'I don't know if you will get the board to fit with all the rest of the parts'. I may know nearly everything about LCs but my grammar sucks :) Ahhh. I was wondering, when I was writing my reply, because I was pretty certain that you are our resident expert on this style case. Then I decided I just didn't remember properly. That explains the discrepency. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Critiques On An Accelerated Mac
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:14:32 -0800 From: J.S. Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 10/25/03 6:56 PM, Jeff Walther at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:27:34 +0100 From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 07:23 AM, J.S. Garrison wrote: You'd be better off buying an LC475 board for $5 and putting that in, but then I dunno if they fit in the LC case... They fit just fine. Well, I have to disagree. The LC uses a top and bottom snap-post fitting and does not have the two shorter snap-posts to hold the speaker and fan. When putting an LC475 motherboard in an LC case, the fan cutout will partly cover the fan opening. My mistake for engaging in faulty reasoning. Installing an LC board in an LC475 case worked just fine for me. I mistakenly assumed that it works backwards just fine. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Daystar card for LC or SE?
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:11:05 -0700 From: J.S. Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] That appears to be a Daystar for an LC, because of the 16Mhz. 68030. It's lying flat, so it HAS to be for the LC. If you don't have a spare LC around, I'd take it and test it out for you. ;^) I don't really have any interest in the LC, so I may take you up on that. There are two obstacles. First, I have an email in to the second bidder, so if he wants it, I'll let it go to him. But I haven't heard back. I'll wait a bit. Second, I have this fantastical ambition to map out the connections and decode the PLDs on as much of the Daystar stuff as possible. Clearly, this isn't doable on the upgrades that have a big VLSI chip, but things like the early Turbo040 with just a bazillion small PLDs it could be feasible for and certainly for the various Mac II and SE/30 adapters that allow installation of the Turbo040 or PowerCache. This ambition makes me want to hold on to one example of each thing Daystar that I find. But, realistically, I don't know when I'll even start such a project. And as I said, I don't really care about the LC. And even if I got going on it, I find it hard to imagine that I'd run out of projects to the point where I'd be craving that LC upgrade to tinker on. Anyway, I'll wait until I either hear from the other bidder or a reasonable time has passed without a reply. If I forget about it, feel free to email me again. I wonder what happens to the old design documents for all these old upgrades. Do you think they're just destroyed? Or are they moldering in someone's garage somewhere. For example, it would be great to have the RTL for the big chip on the Micron video boards or even the GDSII or whatever they were using back then. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Critiques On An Accelerated Mac
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:27:34 +0100 From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 07:23 AM, J.S. Garrison wrote: The LC is always gonna be heeled by it's bad bus and low RAM ceiling. You'd be better off buying an LC475 board for $5 and putting that in, but then I dunno if they fit in the LC case... They fit just fine. However, the speaker and fan connect differently. On the LC there's some kind of metal tab arrangement that connected the speaker and fan to metal contacts on the motherboard. If you were on usenet in comp.sys.mac.* several years ago you may remember an episode of my LC's sound stopped working, what should I do? postings, with the follow ups of take out your speaker and clean the idiotic little metal contacts that Apple stuck you with. On the LC475, the fan and speaker have wires with plugs at the end that plug into header pins on the motherboard. I don't know how hard it would be to convert the LC speaker and fan to work with the LC475--perhaps just a matter of removing the metal tabs and soldering on wires with plugs. As a side note, not long after the LC speaker problems, the next epidemic was folks with LC475s that would not boot up and the answer was to replace the battery. There was even one joker selling refurbished LC475 boards for $100 with trade-in.I can't decide whether to admire his entreprenarial spirit or declare him a jerk. I think it did violate the spirit of usenet. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Daystar card for LC or SE?
I picked up this Daystar upgrade on Ebay but now I am in doubt as to whether it is for the SE or the LC. Apparently they both have the 96 pin Euro-DIN connector. The card has a 16 MHz 68030 and associated FPU on board, four PLDs and a ROM. The marking on the circuit board is 01-LCMB-000P which I'm guessing means it is an LC upgrade. The completed auction (with photo) is here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2759392929category=51046rd=1 Thanks for any info. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Video Logic Dual Card? Made in UK?
Does anyone know/remember anything about this interesting two NuBus card rig? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2758618432category=25449 I like to browse through the Vintage Mac section of Ebay from time to time and occasionally a mystery like this turns up. It appears that it's missing a probably impossible to replace external break-out box/dongle. I wonder how many of those types of things end up on the trash after someone scratches their head and says, I dunno, sure is weird. May as well throw it out. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: ram for LC III IIcx won't shut down
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:21:49 +0100 Subject: Re: ram for LC III From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 10/6/03 4:57 AM, williamd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently installed a 32mb EDO simm in my LC III. So far I see no ill effects, but am wondering whether this is indeed ok? I don't have any problems with using EDO in LCs. I can't tell the difference and so have no doubt got it in some somewhere. I have a 64MB in my Quadra 805 hack (LC475 board) and also in my Performa 475 and they don't work in anything else other than a 63x series. Basically unless you get outside it's supposed RAM limits I don't think it matters. There's an old Apple Tech Note on memory which states, among other things, that EDO is perfectly OK in their machines, except the 7200, and I'm not sure that the 7200 existed when this tech note was written, so it may just say it's OK. Ah, here it is. Tech Note TN1055, SIMMs to DIMMs: Making Sense out of Memory Expansion for the Power Macintosh. What is EDO memory and do Macintosh computers support it? EDO (Extended Data Out -- sometimes called hyperpage) memory are DRAM devices that improve access timing by extending its data out timing while allowing the memory controller to address the next column address. Although EDO devices will improve timing efficiency to main memory by approximately 10%, it does not necessarily mean programs will execute 10% faster; much of the time the CPU fetches instructions and data from cached memory, i.e., L1 cache within the PowerPC microprocessor and or L2 cache on the mother board. EDO DRAM is a superset of conventional (also called Fast Page Mode) DRAM. This means that an EDO DRAM can be used in place of a Fast Page Mode DRAM, although unless the memory controller is designed to utilize the faster EDO timing, the memory performance will be the same as Fast Page Mode. Power Macintosh computers do not yet support the extended data out timing that EDO DRAM devices can provide. If memory modules with EDO DRAM are designed to be fully compatible with standard Fast Page Mode DRAM, however, they should function properly. (Be sure to check with the SIMM or DIMM manufacturer and specify the Macintosh model.) In the future, PowerMacs will support the extended data out timing, taking full advantage of EDO DRAM devices. I guess it doesn't actually mention machines earlier than the Power Mac. We can hope that if any earlier machines had an issue that they'd mention it. Oh, in other news, in Tech Note HW515, Memory Hardware Q As it states: My Macintosh IIsi reboots whenever it's shut down, like the power switch is in the locked position. What could be causing this? A DTS engineer here ran into this very same problem with his Macintosh II, and was able to rectify the problem by zapping the Parameter RAM (PRAM). He'd tried reinstalling the system files as well as a new keyboard, but that didn't solve the problem. In order to zap the PRAM, hold down Command-Shift-P-R while starting up your machine. If zapping the PRAM doesn't do the trick, you might consider taking your machine to a local service provider (Apple authorized, of course) to see if there is a hardware problem/failure with the power switch in the back of the CPU. For more information on service providers, please contact the Apple Assistance Center at (800) 776-2333. For the person whose IIcx won't shut down. You may have already tried this, but I figured it couldn't hurt to quote it. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: just rejoined the list; have a few questions
At 15:30 -0400 09/11/2003, Vintage Macs wrote: From: jason white [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:03:52 -0400 I recently got a IIci from a fellow on the LEM swaplist. Actually I got several. One of them had a Daystar Turbo 040 card that fits in the cache slot. This one is noticeably faster than the other 2 I've tried out (one had an Apple cache card, the other's slot was empty. My problem is that I have no sound on this machine. I replaced the speaker with one from one of the other machines, and still no sound. Is this a charactristic of the 040 card? Do I need a new driver for either the card or the sound CP? A properly functioning Turbo040 should not affect the sound output. A simple test would be to pull the Turbo040 out of the slot and boot up and see if the sound is still gone. If it is, then you have a motherboard issue of some kind. Try plugging head phones into the rear jack. If that gives you sound, then the most likely problem is that there is a bent contact in the sound jack. When the headphones are plugged in, the internal speaker is disabled. This is accomplished with a little metal contact inside the speaker jack which is pushed when headphones are plugged in. If that metal contact is permanently bent, then the internal speaker would be disabled as long as it remains in that condition. If the headphones do not work, then you have some other motherboard issue with which I am not familiar. If the Turbo040 is causing the problem, I woudl be very surprised and guess that perhaps it has a very early revision ROM on board. However, I don't know that Daystar ever produced a ROM revision with sound issues--but they might have. The ROM chip is in a socket, so if that's the problem, it should be fairly easy to replace if you can get your hands on a more recent ROM. I might be able to help you with that. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Shreve Systems Re: Update on LEM finances
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:37:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought Shreve Systems sold off 100% of their Macintosh inventory to concentrate soley on their Shreve Audio business? They pulled a trick that has become annoyingly common at auctions these days. They didn't like the prices they were getting so they just didn't sell a bunch of the stuff despite having bids on it. Most auctions include language that allows them to do this, but it changes the operation from a bonafide auction into what's really a solicitation for offers. I think it's fraudulent to call an event an auction if such a clause is included, but that's the way it is. CRA Systems (AKS Radius Vintage) pulled the same shenanigans at their auction in Waco several years ago. They must be cousins or something. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: vintage quality
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:35:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've found my Turbo 601 upgraded IIci to be a much less twitchy computer than my Radius 81/110, which itself is far less troublesome than my 7300/200. Whoa!?! I had a Turbo601 for a few years (I wrote the article on converting the 66 MHz to 90 - 96 MHz). I found the thing to be very twitchy when you started adding many NuBus cards. And it makes sense to me that if one is going to upgrade a IIci like that, one would naturally want a JackHammer in there as well, otherwise, why would one bother? Daystar did a bang up job on the thing, but as the saying goes, the amazing thing is not that the bear dances so well, but that the bear dances at all... The Radius 81/110 is literally an 8100 board with a different video connector. The resistors are even all in the same places. It should be exactly as twitchy/untwitchy as an Apple 8100. Clearly our mileages vary. :-) Every time I do _anything_ to the 7300 I find myself having to do a clean OS reinstall. Have you tested your RAM using RAMometer and the RAM Sandwich method? When the inexpensive 128 MB DIMMs became available there was a lot of flawed memory sold--memory that often passes the start up test but nevertheless has a problem. My x500 (Powersurge) machines are very reliable though I do run into many more frustrations getting PCI cards working together than I ever had with good ol' NuBus cards. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Color Classic Adapters, Was: cute new purchases
At 15:30 -0400 08/11/2003, Vintage Macs wrote: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:53:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem is that nobody on this list has ever seen a real live PowerCache adaptor for the Classic, Color Classic, SE or LCIII. All of those are on the front of the manual with Refer to the installation manual received with your adaptors. I have at least two of the adapters for the Color Classic, LC, LCII and corresponding Performas. I had ten of them but managed to sell the other eight on Ebay. As far as I can tell, they will only work with the PowerCache and not the Turbo040.Electrically, they would probably work with either, but if you try to use the adapter with a Turbo040 in an LC style machine, the Turbo040 circuit board extends too far to the rear of the case. I don't know what the situation would be in the Color Classic. I bought the adapters from Shreve during their Going out of Business Sale. I thought I was also getting ten Turbo040s so I wanted to have a variety of adapters on hand that I could sell with the Turbo040s. However, it turned out that seven of the Turbo040s were actually Value040s and so the adapters became mostly useless to me. On the other hand, the Value040 is worth hunting for if you're interested in upgrading the above listed machines (mine are all gone). The Value040 is basically a Turbo040 reworked into a card that plugs directly into the LC style 16 bit slot without adapters. So it fits nicely in the LC, LCII, CC and related Performas without any additional adapters. Hmmm, let's seeIf you go to http://www.io.com/~trag and look at LCadapterBox.jpg and LCadaptercard.jpg I still have the scans up that I was using on Ebay. For the Value040 there's Value040_cache.jpg and Value040i.jpg. I have not seen an adapter for the SE nor the original Classic though. Those may well be mythological. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Cabletron NuBus Ethernet Card?
I just bought a NuBus ethernet card (I assume it's ethernet). The interesting thing about this card is that it appears to be a 10/100 card, but I'm not certain. My hints are that it has only an RJ45 connector (no AUI, nor BNC) and it has four LEDs instead of two. I've only ever seen four LEDs on 10/100 cards. On the other hand, I thought 10/100 NuBus cards were pretty rare as 10/100 ethernet and NuBus barely intersected, and so I assumed the Asante and Farralon (and maybe Dayna?) folks were the only ones who produced one. So, does anyone have info on this card and/or Cabletron? That is a brand with which I am not familiar. Silkscreened on the end of the card is PN 9000343-05 Rev. B. The back plane plate of the card has a sticker which reads E6119-X newline 940059800 Thanks for any info. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac IIci
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 08:53:47 -0700 From: Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] The largest integrated circuit chip: SSI SSI Nubus A1 C9406 TBA61281.1 TAIWAN P-017 Beats me what this is. Some kind of NuBus interface chip? A socketed IC with a paper label: TUT NB256 V1.0 00C023-0002D6 You must look under such stickers to actually identify the chip, but I'd guess this is an EPROM or similar storage device with firmware on board. Two of these: HYUNDAI HY626AL-J-70 A little bit of memory. First: THB16J15 DEL 9339 Second: P9336 DP8392CN The DP8392C Coaxial Transceiver Interface (CTI) is a coax- ial cable line driver/receiver for Ethernet/Thin Ethernet (Cheapernet) type local area networks. So it appears to be some flavor of ethernet card, though I don't know why you'd have two RJ45 jacks on board... Could be some weird variation that just happens to use an ethernet chip as a convenient component. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: ROM Capacity and Other Geeky Things, Was: IIci L2 cache...
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:10:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Jeff Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Designing Cards and Drivers for the Macintosh Family, 3rd Edition, Table 1-1 the ROM slot allows expansion to up to 64 MB of ROM. Anyone know if that's a misprint? Yeah, 64MB (or did they mean megabits?) would be pretty nifty. Could place a complete install of Mac OS 7.6.1 in ROM. :) Well, again, unless there's misprinting present--it does say 64 megabytes. And all the other figures in the row on the table are in Xbytes, so I think they meant megabytes and not megabits. According to this table the IIx, IIcx and IIci are all expandable to 64 MB of ROM. Interestingly, though, the table lists the IIsi ROM as being 512 KB in one ROM SIMM, when it was soldered down on most machines. Curious. This book includes info on the Q700 and Q900, so they should have had final info on the IIsi available. The Q700 and Q900 are listed as having 1 MB of ROM expandable to 4 MB. The IIfx is listed as just having 512KB standard in one ROM SIMM--no expansion capability listed. The SE/30 is not listed as this table only lists machines with NuBus slots--the IIsi is on there because there's a NuBus adapter for it. Hmmm. I did a bit more browsing. This book (I just got it on Wednesday) is full of interesting stuff. It has the pinouts for the various PDS slots. The IIsi and SE/30 are identical--except--there are three reserved (unused) pins on the SE/30 which are used on the IIsi. The signal load capacities for the two machines also differ somewhat, but if you design for the lower of the two, that shouldn't be an issue. Also, there's a description of the IIfx PDS slot, which has always been a bit mysterious to me. I've heard that it's not quite a PDS slot and difficult to build cards for, but I never understood why. Apparently the IIfx has two main busses. One is the CPU/memory bus which runs at 40 MHz. The second is the I/O bus which runs at 20 MHz. Both of these are clocked by an 80 MHz oscillator, which is halved for hte CPU bus and quartered for the I/O bus. The problem with the IIfx PDS slot is that it lives on the slower I/O bus. So any card plugged in there only has 20 MHz access to the computer's systems. So, if you're installing a CPU upgrade card, it will have slower access to system RAM, and you must add some extra circuit gymnastics to make it work at all. It probably made building a separate upgrade for the IIfx a low volume proposition that just wasn't worth it. One final tidbit I turned up is that the text claims that it should be trivially easy to adapt expansion cards for the SE to the SE/30. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci L2 cache, and other questions!
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:46:50 -0700 From: John Niven [EMAIL PROTECTED] where's my L2 cache? I looked on the MB but cannot see anything that I recognize as SRAMs. Where does it go? Is it a SIMM? I can only see a socket marked for ROM and what looks like a PDS slot (marked J13). The L2 cache is a card which plugs into the PDS slot. The local Goodwill store has several of them at $5 each. That's in Austin, TX. They seem to be fairly common. The biggest obstacle to getting one is likely to be the fact that their price doesn't justify the effort to stick one in a box and put an address label on it. Why do I have an empty ROM simm socket? I can see a set of 4 soldered in ROMs (made by Sharpe). There also seems to be a jumper switch. Maybe this switches between the soldered ROM and the simm socket for later upgrades? Yes, ROM is soldered down. The ROM slot is for later upgrades/mods which never materialized. According to Designing Cards and Drivers for the Macintosh Family, 3rd Edition, Table 1-1 the ROM slot allows expansion to up to 64 MB of ROM. Anyone know if that's a misprint? I guess if there are 26 address lines to the ROM slot, and the space is available in the memory map, then it could be correct. BTW is there a way to readout the contents of the ROM's? There's the obvious way. Desolder the ROM chips, and stick them on a chip reader/programmer. That's what I did. There is also a utility to do so. However, a list member emailed me the results the utility generated for the IIci and it differs from the directly read chips in several words. The ROM chips in both cases had the same part number, so either the utility does not do a completely accurate job of reading the ROM contents, or Apple revised the ROMs without changing the part number. If you're thinking about building a ROM SIMM for fun and frolick, beware that the circuit board needed is .050 thick. The thickness in common usage is .062 so it's a pain, inconvenient and/or expensive to build a ROM SIMM for the Mac II series. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac IIcx Clock Problems
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:53:27 -0700 (PDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Mac IIcx Clock Problems I have zapped the pram with both the key combination and by removing the battery. Its tough to get to on a CX. In any case the clock retains whatever I've entered into it as the current time, but it never moves anywhere. So I'm guessing that the clock chip itself isn't working. If you're in or near Austin, TX, I'd be happy to provide an exchange IIcx motherboard. I have a box of about 20 of them. It's probably not worth the cost to ship (and I have no way of testing them to be certain I was shipping a working one) but if you're in the area you're welcome to email me and come by. I have them because each one has an 85C30 and a 53C80 chip on it which I have a use for. Your faulty board would serve that purpose for me as well as one of these, presumably working, boards. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: What is this?
At 15:30 -0400 07/23/2003, Vintage Macs wrote: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:12:21 -0800 Subject: Re: What is this? From: J.S. Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 7/23/03 2:07 AM, Jeff Walther at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2742679982category=4604 It's like and unlike Rockets in that it has a similar layout, but not identical. The metal edge of the card has a video connector. Rockets don't. Yes, it was the connector on the back plane that made me suspect that it is not a Rocket.However, I don't know of any video cards that had eight SIMM sockets. There was that brief flirtation with Geoworld memory or some such which saw cards with four sockets. Wasn't there a PPC upgrade for some of the '040 machines which had eight SIMM sockets on board? I have a vague memory of that, but I'd expect that to be from Daystar, not Radius. I emailed the winning bidder to ask him, on the theory that someone willing to pay $36 for it must know what it is. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
