Re: Screen curtain!
It's for privacy purposes. The screen is simply black to where people can not see what you're doing as you use the phone. I use it all the time since I commute on the bus. I don't like to have my phone lit and all to where the person next to me can be sneeky and see what I'm doing. As far as the battery, not sure how to answer that, but I haven't noticed any significant changes. I use my iphone with brightness all the way down and auto brightness off since I don't need that to be on as I can't see it. Regards, Feliciano www.twitter.com/theblindman12v -Original Message- From: Jose Lomeli Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Jose Lomeli Subject: Screen curtain! Hello; Listers, I have a question! What is the screen curtain used for? Does it make the screen brightness lower like up to 0%? Does it waist the battery? Please let me know! Jose Lomeli Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Notifications question
Hello listers, thank you so much for all your help. Unlocking phone did the trick. Thank you again. Have a wonderful day. With regards Maria On 10. 7. 2014 4:09, Christopher Chaltain wrote: If I understand what's going on here, you can unlock your phone, and any notifications you have on the lock screen will be cleared. I do this occasionally when I have too many notifications on my lock screen, and I just want to clear it out so I only have to swipe through new notifications from that point on. On 07/09/2014 08:06 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: Guys, I don't think her problem is in the notification center. I think what she's talking about is when Voiceover when in the lock screen reads new notifications as well as other notifications previously sent to the lock screen. I'm having this problem too but it's not all the time. I hope this clears up the confusion. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gail the U. S. Male Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 1:22 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Notifications question in your notification center, it should say something like facebook, then clear section. if you double tap on that, it will ask you to confirm that you really want that section cleared. Double tap the button again, and notifications from Facebook disappear. I have lots of notifications, weather, Game center, which is a national hockey league app, notifications from two different newspaper apps. and it all works the same. I hope this helps you some, since I can just imagine how annoying having a huge list of notifications being read every time you look at the notification center. - Original Message - From: Mária Orovčíková maria.orovcik...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Notifications question Hello, thank you very much for help. Well, I do not mind being notified of most recent items, I just do not want all previous items to be read because it really takes a while til Voiceover reads it and it drains battery pretty much. I hope it makes sense. With regards Maria On 9. 7. 2014 16:39, Flor Lynch wrote: In Settings, Notification Center, Perhaps turn off the items you don't think you need to hear. I do not have the problem however, and i don't recall altering anything. Thus, i hear the most recent item (if I'm there), and no more. There may also be some in-app settings you can look at, to control whether or not they're in the notification Center, and, if so, what is being notified of from them. - Original Message - From: Mária Orovčíková maria.orovcik...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 11:05 AM Subject: Notifications question Hello list, I have my notifications set up for quite a few things such as Facebook groups, close friends' list, Twitter notifications for some individual users ETC. The thing is whenever a new notification is anounced, all previous notifications are read and sometime it takes quite a while (5 minutes maybe more) until all notifications are read. Please is there a way to get I-devices read just very last notification? Thanks for your help in advance. With kind regards Maria -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
How to download individual purchased apps
Hello list I upgraded from XP to windows 7. I do not want to download all the apps I purchased before but when I go to the purchased section in iTunes there seems to be only a download all button. Is there a way to download individual apps? Regards Fanus --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple
Teresa, I do feel Apple has some responsibility for the apps they sell. After all they are the only marketplace and they do take a hefty cut off the top of the purchase. Plus, they run it through all sorts of other tests that only they know. No I don't say they have to require every button be labeled or everything they sell be accessible, but I do think they have the responsibility to note in the product description whether or not it meets some definition of minimal accessibility. Eric _ From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 12:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple I don't understand why Apple would be held responsible for a developer's failure to make an app accessible. Bringing accessibility issues to developers' attention would do far more toward accessibility than all the protests and lawsuits and blustering. IMO Teresa -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple
But with so many different types of disability requiring access, how would that notation work? Something might be perfectly accessible to a blind person, but inaccessible to a hearing impaired individual. Should the label say it is mostly inaccessible when, for a blind person, it isn't? DO we need ratings for each sort of disability covered under accessibility settings? How long would judging accessibility for each class of disability hold up approval processes? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SSEric Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple Teresa, I do feel Apple has some responsibility for the apps they sell. After all they are the only marketplace and they do take a hefty cut off the top of the purchase. Plus, they run it through all sorts of other tests that only they know. No I don't say they have to require every button be labeled or everything they sell be accessible, but I do think they have the responsibility to note in the product description whether or not it meets some definition of minimal accessibility. Eric _ From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 12:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple I don't understand why Apple would be held responsible for a developer's failure to make an app accessible. Bringing accessibility issues to developers' attention would do far more toward accessibility than all the protests and lawsuits and blustering. IMO Teresa -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple
Very well said! Amen, I agree! Lucy Edmonds -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 11:44 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple Here is what amazes me: as the creator of the modern smartphone and a long-time champion for the blind, Apple is feeling the most heat, I find it funny how Apple once again seems to be under attack more than Google about accessibility yet they were the ones who started out of the box accessibility. It's the same with any small security vulnerability, if it happens on an iPhone Apple gets crucified and google who puts out a platform with allows for very easy security compromises and where almost any junk can make it into their app store seems to get the praise for doing all this amazing stuff. It also seems that advancing accessibility just can't go quick enough for some radical advocates out there who apparently can't wait to let this run its course a bit longer to see where it goes. There is always time for legislation if it's necessary but I would say that this type of main stream accessibility has made some pretty big strides in the last 4 or so years. Oh, yes, where is Windows Phone in this? Here they talk about forcing people to make apps accessible and Microsoft hasn't even made the platform accessible. I wonder why these angry people and I do think a lot of these so-called advocates are angry, don't vent their frustrations where it's needed. The sense of entitlement which goes along with this drives me up the wall and I think there are other areas of accessibility deserve a lot more attention than accessible apps. I wonder how they'll force game developers to make completely visual games accessible and then there are of course photo/video editing apps, drawing apps and so on which also should be fully accessible, right? What a bunch of baloney. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 7:32 PM To: Viphone Subject: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple New post on MacDailyNews macdailynews Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple by MacDailyNews [cfsp key=adsense_336x280]Advocates for the blind are debating whether to use a carrot or a stick to persuade one of their oldest allies, Apple Inc, to close an emerging digital divide in mobile technology, Christina Farr reports for Reuters. As digital life increasingly moves to the world of smartphones and tablets, some disabled people with visual, hearing and other impairments are feeling more left out than ever. Many disabled advocates believe federal law requires that apps be accessible, but courts have not ruled on the issue. Few disabled want to risk alienating Apple, considered a friend, by fighting it, Farr reports. Mobile apps that work well can transform a blind person's life... But when apps don't work, life can grind to a stop. Jonathan Lyens, a San Francisco city employee, who is legally blind, has a hard time browsing jobs on professional networking site LinkedIn. 'The app is insane. Buttons aren't labeled. It's difficult to navigate,' said Lyens. When it comes to social media apps, new problems arise with every release, he said. 'I get nervous every time I hit the update button.' LinkedIn has hired an accessibility chief, Jennison Asuncion, who himself is blind, and says it is working to improve the app. Still, advocates of the disabled want the problem solved by the company at the center of the app world -- Apple. Rival Google Inc, whose Android operating system drives more phones than Apple, is also under pressure, but as the creator of the modern smartphone and a long-time champion for the blind, Apple is feeling the most heat, Farr reports. Apple and Google both have developer guidelines on how to make features accessible, such as labeling buttons that can be read by Apple's VoiceOver software. But they don't require accessibility... Nor do they offer an accessibility rating system, which some disabled advocates say would be a big help. At last week's National Federation of the Blind convention, members approved a resolution to press Apple to create and enforce accessibility standards, Farr reports. Apple's next version of its phone operating system, iOS 8, will have a speak screen features that reads whatever is on the screen, improved zoom, and support for hearing aids for hearing impaired made by companies including ReSound. Apple helped develop the hearing aid. Howard Rosenblum, chief executive officer of the National Association of the Deaf, wants more. 'Any app should be accessible to everyone, he said.' -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are
Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple
Here, here, Sieghard! Well said, very well said indeed! BTW: I myself am totally blind, have been since 1995, some folks seem to have a Don Quixote mentality and choose to tilt at windmills regardless as to the efficacy of that tilt. Apple, while not perfect (and just what of a organic nature is perfect?), has made a real commitment to including disabled customers in the circle of technology. Holland's Boy, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
iPhone Backup Extractor
Has anybody on this list had any experience with the PC application iPhone Backup Extractor? I'm still working the problem of trying to bring an ooTunes recording file to my PC for manipulation and storage; seems that the application might be able to serve me in this, but the free version does not do much. What I'd like to know is: - Is the PC-Based application accessible to a totally blind user? - Will this software permit me to extract any and all files out of the backup structure? - Is there any very good documentation on how to use this software? Thanx! Holland's Boy, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple
Hi All, Perhaps Apple could give some indication as to the accessibility of an app in the app store but I would say that is as far as their responsibility should go. Yes, many apps could be much more accessible but some apps, because of their very visual nature, are not accessible and never will be. The notion that all apps should be made accessible is completely ridiculous. As blind people, we do have some obstacles that simply can never be removed. That's just life. Scott Duck -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple Here, here, Sieghard! Well said, very well said indeed! BTW: I myself am totally blind, have been since 1995, some folks seem to have a Don Quixote mentality and choose to tilt at windmills regardless as to the efficacy of that tilt. Apple, while not perfect (and just what of a organic nature is perfect?), has made a real commitment to including disabled customers in the circle of technology. Holland's Boy, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Swithcing between standard and touch typing
HI all, I seem to have forgotten where to find the setting to switch between standard and touch typing. I thought it was one of the choices in the roter but can't seem to find it there either. Thanks! Debbie -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Swithcing between standard and touch typing
It is indeed in the rotor. The trick is that, for it to appear, you must have the on-screen keyboard visible. Put another way, it won't show up unless you are editing a text field. On Jul 10, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Debbie Downey debdow...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: HI all, I seem to have forgotten where to find the setting to switch between standard and touch typing. I thought it was one of the choices in the roter but can't seem to find it there either. Thanks! Debbie -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Swithcing between standard and touch typing
Hi Debbie; When you are in an edit field as in when your writing an email just turn the rotor and you'll find it. Anthony Sent from my iPhone 5s! On Jul 10, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Debbie Downey debdow...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: HI all, I seem to have forgotten where to find the setting to switch between standard and touch typing. I thought it was one of the choices in the roter but can’t seem to find it there either. Thanks! Debbie -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Swithcing between standard and touch typing
Hi Debbie, I don't think that typing mode is included in the rotor by default. So, you will need to go to settings, General, Accessibility, Voice Over, Rotor,here you can select or unselect which items you want to appear when you access the rotor. By double tapping with 1 finger, you can select or deselect items. For example, speech rate. Note: use the twisting motion to access the rotor. I use my right hand with thumb and index fingers on the screen and make a twisting motion as if you were turning a dial. HTH Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Debbie Downey To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 7:22 AM Subject: Swithcing between standard and touch typing HI all, I seem to have forgotten where to find the setting to switch between standard and touch typing. I thought it was one of the choices in the roter but can't seem to find it there either. Thanks! Debbie -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Swithcing between standard and touch typing
Golly I'm getting old! I forgot to say once you have typing motion in the rotor, twist to get to typing mode and flick up or down with your index finger to select standard typing or touch typing. Both modes are useful. With standard typing, you must double tap with 1 finger to select characters, numbers etc. This mode is useful if your in a car or bus where motion may cause you to accidentally add characters. Touch typing means that you touch the characters you want. When you lift your finger off the screen, the character is added to the text box. Note: this feature is disabled if your using an external keyboard. Why am I telling you the obvious? Because somebody once asked me if touch typing mode would work with their apple keyboard. I didn't understand what they were asking me when the person said well then in touch typing mode wouldn't I only need to touch the keys on my keyboard I don't actually have to press them? LOL! Couldn't fault the logic of that! LOL! Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Debbie Downey To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 7:22 AM Subject: Swithcing between standard and touch typing HI all, I seem to have forgotten where to find the setting to switch between standard and touch typing. I thought it was one of the choices in the roter but can't seem to find it there either. Thanks! Debbie -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Swithcing between standard and touch typing
It is. go to a text box, like a message, and double tap, like you're going to edit it. then use the rotor gesture, and you should find typing mode, then flick up, or down, to select the one you want. HTH. - Original Message - From: Debbie Downey To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:22 AM Subject: Swithcing between standard and touch typing HI all, I seem to have forgotten where to find the setting to switch between standard and touch typing. I thought it was one of the choices in the roter but can't seem to find it there either. Thanks! Debbie -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Switching between standard and touch typing
Thanks to all who helped with my question. That's one of those things where if you don't use it all of the time you can easily forget. This list is definitely worth staying on for me because just as you think you know everything there is to know, you either are reminded of something you forgot or learn something new. Debbie From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gail the U. S. Male Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Swithcing between standard and touch typing It is. go to a text box, like a message, and double tap, like you're going to edit it. then use the rotor gesture, and you should find typing mode, then flick up, or down, to select the one you want. HTH. - Original Message - From: Debbie Downey mailto:debdow...@tampabay.rr.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:22 AM Subject: Swithcing between standard and touch typing HI all, I seem to have forgotten where to find the setting to switch between standard and touch typing. I thought it was one of the choices in the roter but can't seem to find it there either. Thanks! Debbie -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple
I would certainly be in favor of some sort of basic accessibility rating. If possible, this could be a part of the submission process for the app store. This would definitely increase awareness of accessibility concerns. It wouldn't have to be very complicated. For example, when I was looking at phones on the web the other day, there was a notation with one LG phone on a mainstream site that indicated it was not recommended for visually-impaired users, because all its functions including dialing were accomplished with a touch-screen, and there was no text-to-speech. I moved onto the next item and gave the inaccessible phone no more thought. Accessibility features aren't so automatic that they aren't considered by the developer at all with regard to specifically making them useable by as many folks as possible. I'm sure developers of something like Papa Sangre had certain features in mind when deciding to make the games accessible to the blind. If a developer is unaware of the issue, he would quickly be made aware based only on a few questions. Scenario: Question: Are all elements accessible with Voiceover? Dev thought process: Hmmm, Voiceover. I've heard of it, but what is it all about. I'd better research that. I'd never thought of it before. ... Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Jul 10, 2014, at 6:29 AM, Scott Duck l...@csdconsulting.biz wrote: Hi All, Perhaps Apple could give some indication as to the accessibility of an app in the app store but I would say that is as far as their responsibility should go. Yes, many apps could be much more accessible but some apps, because of their very visual nature, are not accessible and never will be. The notion that all apps should be made accessible is completely ridiculous. As blind people, we do have some obstacles that simply can never be removed. That's just life. Scott Duck -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple Here, here, Sieghard! Well said, very well said indeed! BTW: I myself am totally blind, have been since 1995, some folks seem to have a Don Quixote mentality and choose to tilt at windmills regardless as to the efficacy of that tilt. Apple, while not perfect (and just what of a organic nature is perfect?), has made a real commitment to including disabled customers in the circle of technology. Holland's Boy, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone
RE: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple
Well then, grocery stores and department stores must also make every single item they sell accessible to us including all price tags, information sheets, signs, print on packages, etc. Come on! We are way outnumbered by the sighted and we really should find a way to accept that fact. This constant biting the hand that feeds us is starting to make me sick. DJ _ From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SSEric Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 5:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple Teresa, I do feel Apple has some responsibility for the apps they sell. After all they are the only marketplace and they do take a hefty cut off the top of the purchase. Plus, they run it through all sorts of other tests that only they know. No I don't say they have to require every button be labeled or everything they sell be accessible, but I do think they have the responsibility to note in the product description whether or not it meets some definition of minimal accessibility. Eric _ From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 12:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple I don't understand why Apple would be held responsible for a developer's failure to make an app accessible. Bringing accessibility issues to developers' attention would do far more toward accessibility than all the protests and lawsuits and blustering. IMO Teresa -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple
well they have ways to find out all of that info it is calld a bar coad scanner how ever I am not shure how well it would work when trying to find things in super marketts lol. i would mutch rather go with a sighted person or go in and ask for what I am looking for. from Mich. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple
Scott, this is true. And what people should also remember is that what might be accessible to you might not be accessible to me. Some people claim that an app is not accessible because they can't get it to do what ever it is they want it to do, but in some cases what they didn't know is that if they had just been brave enough to try that one unlabeled button on the bottom of the screen, they would have found the success they were looking for. Yes, quite often an app is truly not accessible, but often it's a lack of knowledge or a person's fear which keeps said person from realizing that an app is more accessible than they thought. DJ -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Duck Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple Hi All, Perhaps Apple could give some indication as to the accessibility of an app in the app store but I would say that is as far as their responsibility should go. Yes, many apps could be much more accessible but some apps, because of their very visual nature, are not accessible and never will be. The notion that all apps should be made accessible is completely ridiculous. As blind people, we do have some obstacles that simply can never be removed. That's just life. Scott Duck -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple Here, here, Sieghard! Well said, very well said indeed! BTW: I myself am totally blind, have been since 1995, some folks seem to have a Don Quixote mentality and choose to tilt at windmills regardless as to the efficacy of that tilt. Apple, while not perfect (and just what of a organic nature is perfect?), has made a real commitment to including disabled customers in the circle of technology. Holland's Boy, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Concerning those that were having problems with receiving emails from Facebook
Hello all, so yesterday was brought up about receiving emails and push notifications from Facebook. I found the truth how to fix the weather stays fixed I don't know yet but I think it has. If you follow these instructions and if you're using Jaws you should be able to do this. And if you're using Mac I think the instructions will be quite the same. However, you will not be able to use do this using your iPhone. So first things first you go to Facebook.com and login with your username and password if you're not already logged in. Dan you shoes or find the post that you didn't see coming in your email on Facebook newsfeed. Click on the person's name by pressing inner then that's what counts settings wall on that person's name then at the very top of that gives you a notifications box and make sure that is checked by pressing enter. If you need any help or any instructions further I will be glad to assist you off list via email or via Skype or via the telephone. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple
Well said Sieghard! Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 8:43 PM Subject: RE: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple Here is what amazes me: as the creator of the modern smartphone and a long-time champion for the blind, Apple is feeling the most heat, I find it funny how Apple once again seems to be under attack more than Google about accessibility yet they were the ones who started out of the box accessibility. It's the same with any small security vulnerability, if it happens on an iPhone Apple gets crucified and google who puts out a platform with allows for very easy security compromises and where almost any junk can make it into their app store seems to get the praise for doing all this amazing stuff. It also seems that advancing accessibility just can't go quick enough for some radical advocates out there who apparently can't wait to let this run its course a bit longer to see where it goes. There is always time for legislation if it's necessary but I would say that this type of main stream accessibility has made some pretty big strides in the last 4 or so years. Oh, yes, where is Windows Phone in this? Here they talk about forcing people to make apps accessible and Microsoft hasn't even made the platform accessible. I wonder why these angry people and I do think a lot of these so-called advocates are angry, don't vent their frustrations where it's needed. The sense of entitlement which goes along with this drives me up the wall and I think there are other areas of accessibility deserve a lot more attention than accessible apps. I wonder how they'll force game developers to make completely visual games accessible and then there are of course photo/video editing apps, drawing apps and so on which also should be fully accessible, right? What a bunch of baloney. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 7:32 PM To: Viphone Subject: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple New post on MacDailyNews macdailynews Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple by MacDailyNews [cfsp key=adsense_336x280]Advocates for the blind are debating whether to use a carrot or a stick to persuade one of their oldest allies, Apple Inc, to close an emerging digital divide in mobile technology, Christina Farr reports for Reuters. As digital life increasingly moves to the world of smartphones and tablets, some disabled people with visual, hearing and other impairments are feeling more left out than ever. Many disabled advocates believe federal law requires that apps be accessible, but courts have not ruled on the issue. Few disabled want to risk alienating Apple, considered a friend, by fighting it, Farr reports. Mobile apps that work well can transform a blind person's life... But when apps don't work, life can grind to a stop. Jonathan Lyens, a San Francisco city employee, who is legally blind, has a hard time browsing jobs on professional networking site LinkedIn. 'The app is insane. Buttons aren't labeled. It's difficult to navigate,' said Lyens. When it comes to social media apps, new problems arise with every release, he said. 'I get nervous every time I hit the update button.' LinkedIn has hired an accessibility chief, Jennison Asuncion, who himself is blind, and says it is working to improve the app. Still, advocates of the disabled want the problem solved by the company at the center of the app world -- Apple. Rival Google Inc, whose Android operating system drives more phones than Apple, is also under pressure, but as the creator of the modern smartphone and a long-time champion for the blind, Apple is feeling the most heat, Farr reports. Apple and Google both have developer guidelines on how to make features accessible, such as labeling buttons that can be read by Apple's VoiceOver software. But they don't require accessibility... Nor do they offer an accessibility rating system, which some disabled advocates say would be a big help. At last week's National Federation of the Blind convention, members approved a resolution to press Apple to create and enforce accessibility standards, Farr reports. Apple's next version of its phone operating system, iOS 8, will have a speak screen features that reads whatever is on the screen, improved zoom, and support for hearing aids for hearing impaired made by companies including ReSound. Apple helped develop
Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple
Hi everyone. I'm a supporter of this resolution. To offer an alternative perspective on the discussion, I'd like to paste here the text of an entry I posted on my blog at http://mosen.org/index.php/nfbs-ios-app-resolution-some-perspective-and-context/ Being a member of a minority is exhausting at times. Ignorance, discrimination (both inadvertent and deliberate), and barriers preventing us from realising our full potential are problems we encounter regularly. These issues aren't unique to blind people, or even to disabled people. I'm mindful as I write this of the recent 50th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act in the United States. It's a significant piece of legislation. It required bravery on the part of the legislators who passed it. Its principles met with considerable resistance, some of it violent. This post is a long one, because I believe the issues of self-advocacy, collective advocacy, what is worth fighting for and what is not, are all important to our sense of self-perception and our expectations of what constitutes our rightful place in society. I'd like to illustrate both the challenges and potential of advocacy by recalling a few issues on which I've worked over the years, remind you of the advocacy of other minorities, then take a look at the National Federation of the Blind's resolution on the accessibility of iOS apps in that context. Maybe before you took time out to read this post, you spent some time today reading a book. Perhaps it came from Bookshare, or a special format library. We now have access to eBooks, and it's worth noting that access to the Kindle app was achieved after considerable collective advocacy efforts. Nevertheless, special format libraries and repositories continue to play an important part in blind people exercising our right to read. It wasn't always this easy for special format organisations to get their material to you. In 1994, as the Manager of Government Relations for the organisation then known as the Royal New Zealand Foundation for the Blind, I oversaw a campaign of advocacy which took advantage of New Zealand's Copyright Act being rewritten. We believed that if an author published a book, it was being published for all the people to access. The status quo at that time was that if the special format library in New Zealand, and for that matter most other countries, wanted to make a book available in Braille or on talking book, they had to write a letter to the copyright holder asking for their permission. Sometimes, those letters would sit on someone's desk for months and months. Eventually, the library would get a reply. Most of the time the reply said yes, sometimes the request was declined, meaning blind people were deprived of access to that book. It seemed wrong to me that the process of making the book available in a special format, which is time-consuming in itself, was delayed by the need to seek permission. It was absolutely abhorrent to me that publishers felt they had the right to say no. We began an advocacy campaign asking for a clause to be added to the Copyright Act giving blanket permission for recognised organisations for people with print disabilities to make books available in special formats, without having to seek the permission of the copyright holder first. The response of the publishers was ferocious. They blasted me, and the campaign, for a culture of entitlement. Worse, they called me a thief. One day, I got a call from the representative of publishers who said, so tell me, do you steal from everyone, or just from publishers? There's no doubt we'd got the publishers angry. But we calmly made our case to the people who mattered, legislators. We pointed out that the publishers weren't being required to pay for their material to be made available in special formats, that access to the printed word was just as important as access to the built environment. The legislators agreed, and the law was passed. It was ground-breaking, and in subsequent years I was approached by a number of organisations in multiple countries, including the United States, about how we concluded that advocacy effort successfully and how they might go about doing something similar. Ultimately, that concept has now been enshrined in an international treaty. Something considered by some to be radical, over-reaching, exhibiting entitlement just 20 years ago is now considered sound public policy, even by the publishers. Not long after that campaign was concluded successfully, I was being asked to front up on a range of current affairs shows over my campaign to repeal the law which arguably prohibited any blind person from serving on any jury. I debated the issue on radio with our Minister of Justice, who was staunchly opposed to any change in the law. In the most exciting of these appearances, I was debating one of New Zealand's top criminal lawyers, who was both patronising and adamant on the subject.
Re: Screen curtain!
If you have brightness set to 0, you don't need the screen curtain. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! It's for privacy purposes. The screen is simply black to where people can not see what you're doing as you use the phone. I use it all the time since I commute on the bus. I don't like to have my phone lit and all to where the person next to me can be sneeky and see what I'm doing. As far as the battery, not sure how to answer that, but I haven't noticed any significant changes. I use my iphone with brightness all the way down and auto brightness off since I don't need that to be on as I can't see it. Regards, Feliciano www.twitter.com/theblindman12v -Original Message- From: Jose Lomeli Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Jose Lomeli Subject: Screen curtain! Hello; Listers, I have a question! What is the screen curtain used for? Does it make the screen brightness lower like up to 0%? Does it waist the battery? Please let me know! Jose Lomeli Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple
Hi Jonathan, As usual you make your point by looking at the issue in an objective way and by providing relevant examples. I appreciate how you throw the light on issues from various sides which often others don't consider. I must say that I agree with a lot you said and that my initial post was not doing justice to the real issue here. I guess having read only this one short article gave me the wrong idea although I still hold that many advocates do not possess the objectivity and diplomacy you bring to the table and that this can sometimes do more damage than it does good. Take care, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:52 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple Hi everyone. I'm a supporter of this resolution. To offer an alternative perspective on the discussion, I'd like to paste here the text of an entry I posted on my blog at http://mosen.org/index.php/nfbs-ios-app-resolution-some-perspective-and-cont ext/ Being a member of a minority is exhausting at times. Ignorance, discrimination (both inadvertent and deliberate), and barriers preventing us from realising our full potential are problems we encounter regularly. These issues aren't unique to blind people, or even to disabled people. I'm mindful as I write this of the recent 50th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act in the United States. It's a significant piece of legislation. It required bravery on the part of the legislators who passed it. Its principles met with considerable resistance, some of it violent. This post is a long one, because I believe the issues of self-advocacy, collective advocacy, what is worth fighting for and what is not, are all important to our sense of self-perception and our expectations of what constitutes our rightful place in society. I'd like to illustrate both the challenges and potential of advocacy by recalling a few issues on which I've worked over the years, remind you of the advocacy of other minorities, then take a look at the National Federation of the Blind's resolution on the accessibility of iOS apps in that context. Maybe before you took time out to read this post, you spent some time today reading a book. Perhaps it came from Bookshare, or a special format library. We now have access to eBooks, and it's worth noting that access to the Kindle app was achieved after considerable collective advocacy efforts. Nevertheless, special format libraries and repositories continue to play an important part in blind people exercising our right to read. It wasn't always this easy for special format organisations to get their material to you. In 1994, as the Manager of Government Relations for the organisation then known as the Royal New Zealand Foundation for the Blind, I oversaw a campaign of advocacy which took advantage of New Zealand's Copyright Act being rewritten. We believed that if an author published a book, it was being published for all the people to access. The status quo at that time was that if the special format library in New Zealand, and for that matter most other countries, wanted to make a book available in Braille or on talking book, they had to write a letter to the copyright holder asking for their permission. Sometimes, those letters would sit on someone's desk for months and months. Eventually, the library would get a reply. Most of the time the reply said yes, sometimes the request was declined, meaning blind people were deprived of access to that book. It seemed wrong to me that the process of making the book available in a special format, which is time-consuming in itself, was delayed by the need to seek permission. It was absolutely abhorrent to me that publishers felt they had the right to say no. We began an advocacy campaign asking for a clause to be added to the Copyright Act giving blanket permission for recognised organisations for people with print disabilities to make books available in special formats, without having to seek the permission of the copyright holder first. The response of the publishers was ferocious. They blasted me, and the campaign, for a culture of entitlement. Worse, they called me a thief. One day, I got a call from the representative of publishers who said, so tell me, do you steal from everyone, or just from publishers? There's no doubt we'd got the publishers angry. But we calmly made our case to the people who mattered, legislators. We pointed out that the publishers weren't being required to pay for their material to be made available in special formats, that access to the printed word was just as important as access to the built environment. The legislators agreed, and the law was passed. It was ground-breaking, and in subsequent years I was approached by a number of organisations in multiple countries, including the United States, about how we concluded that advocacy effort successfully
Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple
Yes, and if all buttons were clearly labeled it would help a lot. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple I would certainly be in favor of some sort of basic accessibility rating. If possible, this could be a part of the submission process for the app store. This would definitely increase awareness of accessibility concerns. It wouldn't have to be very complicated. For example, when I was looking at phones on the web the other day, there was a notation with one LG phone on a mainstream site that indicated it was not recommended for visually-impaired users, because all its functions including dialing were accomplished with a touch-screen, and there was no text-to-speech. I moved onto the next item and gave the inaccessible phone no more thought. Accessibility features aren't so automatic that they aren't considered by the developer at all with regard to specifically making them useable by as many folks as possible. I'm sure developers of something like Papa Sangre had certain features in mind when deciding to make the games accessible to the blind. If a developer is unaware of the issue, he would quickly be made aware based only on a few questions. Scenario: Question: Are all elements accessible with Voiceover? Dev thought process: Hmmm, Voiceover. I've heard of it, but what is it all about. I'd better research that. I'd never thought of it before. ... Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Jul 10, 2014, at 6:29 AM, Scott Duck l...@csdconsulting.biz wrote: Hi All, Perhaps Apple could give some indication as to the accessibility of an app in the app store but I would say that is as far as their responsibility should go. Yes, many apps could be much more accessible but some apps, because of their very visual nature, are not accessible and never will be. The notion that all apps should be made accessible is completely ridiculous. As blind people, we do have some obstacles that simply can never be removed. That's just life. Scott Duck -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple Here, here, Sieghard! Well said, very well said indeed! BTW: I myself am totally blind, have been since 1995, some folks seem to have a Don Quixote mentality and choose to tilt at windmills regardless as to the efficacy of that tilt. Apple, while not perfect (and just what of a organic nature is perfect?), has made a real commitment to including disabled customers in the circle of technology. Holland's Boy, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
Re: Screen curtain!
Actually, the screen curtain blackens all light coming from the screen and nothing can be seen, whereas turning down the brightness to 0 still shows an image on the screen that a sighted person can see. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! If you have brightness set to 0, you don't need the screen curtain. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! It's for privacy purposes. The screen is simply black to where people can not see what you're doing as you use the phone. I use it all the time since I commute on the bus. I don't like to have my phone lit and all to where the person next to me can be sneeky and see what I'm doing. As far as the battery, not sure how to answer that, but I haven't noticed any significant changes. I use my iphone with brightness all the way down and auto brightness off since I don't need that to be on as I can't see it. Regards, Feliciano www.twitter.com/theblindman12v -Original Message- From: Jose Lomeli Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Jose Lomeli Subject: Screen curtain! Hello; Listers, I have a question! What is the screen curtain used for? Does it make the screen brightness lower like up to 0%? Does it waist the battery? Please let me know! Jose Lomeli Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You
Re: Screen curtain!
Hi Alan. I regularly get family members to look at my iPhone screen with brightness at 0%. They can see it, but with screen curtain on, they cannot. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Re: KNFB Reader App
Hi all, As with other expensive apps, I plan to purchase this app on day one and give it a good work out to see if it is worth the money. I will compare the KNFB app to Text Grabber, which is my favorite OCR app, and use both apps with and with out the stand scan Pro. Hopefully, I will be able to give everyone an informed heads up on this apps worthiness. Personally, I am looking forward to it. :) Chuck -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Wow, you would think 0 means what it says it does. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! Actually, the screen curtain blackens all light coming from the screen and nothing can be seen, whereas turning down the brightness to 0 still shows an image on the screen that a sighted person can see. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! If you have brightness set to 0, you don't need the screen curtain. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! It's for privacy purposes. The screen is simply black to where people can not see what you're doing as you use the phone. I use it all the time since I commute on the bus. I don't like to have my phone lit and all to where the person next to me can be sneeky and see what I'm doing. As far as the battery, not sure how to answer that, but I haven't noticed any significant changes. I use my iphone with brightness all the way down and auto brightness off since I don't need that to be on as I can't see it. Regards, Feliciano www.twitter.com/theblindman12v -Original Message- From: Jose Lomeli Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Jose Lomeli Subject: Screen curtain! Hello; Listers, I have a question! What is the screen curtain used for? Does it make the screen brightness lower like up to 0%? Does it waist the battery? Please let me know! Jose Lomeli Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this
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Thanks JonathanI learned something new this morning. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:32 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! Hi Alan. I regularly get family members to look at my iPhone screen with brightness at 0%. They can see it, but with screen curtain on, they cannot. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Screen curtain!
with all this talk of the screen curtin what is the vo jester to turn it on and off? i want to say 3 finger tripple tap or dubble tap but I am not shure. many thanks. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:36 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! Wow, you would think 0 means what it says it does. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! Actually, the screen curtain blackens all light coming from the screen and nothing can be seen, whereas turning down the brightness to 0 still shows an image on the screen that a sighted person can see. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! If you have brightness set to 0, you don't need the screen curtain. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! It's for privacy purposes. The screen is simply black to where people can not see what you're doing as you use the phone. I use it all the time since I commute on the bus. I don't like to have my phone lit and all to where the person next to me can be sneeky and see what I'm doing. As far as the battery, not sure how to answer that, but I haven't noticed any significant changes. I use my iphone with brightness all the way down and auto brightness off since I don't need that to be on as I can't see it. Regards, Feliciano www.twitter.com/theblindman12v -Original Message- From: Jose Lomeli Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Jose Lomeli Subject: Screen curtain! Hello; Listers, I have a question! What is the screen curtain used for? Does it make the screen brightness lower like up to 0%? Does it waist the battery? Please let me know! Jose Lomeli Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting
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The brightness setting simply turns the bcklight up or down. If the room is well-lit, it's still possible to see the screen with brightness set to 0. It's just similar to reading the print on a page or a Kindle tablet with ambient lighting. Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Jul 10, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote: Wow, you would think 0 means what it says it does. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! Actually, the screen curtain blackens all light coming from the screen and nothing can be seen, whereas turning down the brightness to 0 still shows an image on the screen that a sighted person can see. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! If you have brightness set to 0, you don't need the screen curtain. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! It's for privacy purposes. The screen is simply black to where people can not see what you're doing as you use the phone. I use it all the time since I commute on the bus. I don't like to have my phone lit and all to where the person next to me can be sneeky and see what I'm doing. As far as the battery, not sure how to answer that, but I haven't noticed any significant changes. I use my iphone with brightness all the way down and auto brightness off since I don't need that to be on as I can't see it. Regards, Feliciano www.twitter.com/theblindman12v -Original Message- From: Jose Lomeli Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Jose Lomeli Subject: Screen curtain! Hello; Listers, I have a question! What is the screen curtain used for? Does it make the screen brightness lower like up to 0%? Does it waist the battery? Please let me know! Jose Lomeli Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of
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Double-tap with three fingers toggles speech on and off. Triple-tap toggles screen curtain. Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Jul 10, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: with all this talk of the screen curtin what is the vo jester to turn it on and off? i want to say 3 finger tripple tap or dubble tap but I am not shure. many thanks. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:36 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! Wow, you would think 0 means what it says it does. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! Actually, the screen curtain blackens all light coming from the screen and nothing can be seen, whereas turning down the brightness to 0 still shows an image on the screen that a sighted person can see. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! If you have brightness set to 0, you don't need the screen curtain. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! It's for privacy purposes. The screen is simply black to where people can not see what you're doing as you use the phone. I use it all the time since I commute on the bus. I don't like to have my phone lit and all to where the person next to me can be sneeky and see what I'm doing. As far as the battery, not sure how to answer that, but I haven't noticed any significant changes. I use my iphone with brightness all the way down and auto brightness off since I don't need that to be on as I can't see it. Regards, Feliciano www.twitter.com/theblindman12v -Original Message- From: Jose Lomeli Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Jose Lomeli Subject: Screen curtain! Hello; Listers, I have a question! What is the screen curtain used for? Does it make the screen brightness lower like up to 0%? Does it waist the battery? Please let me know! Jose Lomeli Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The
Re: Screen curtain!
ok that is where I was getting confused lol thx. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! Double-tap with three fingers toggles speech on and off. Triple-tap toggles screen curtain. Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Jul 10, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: with all this talk of the screen curtin what is the vo jester to turn it on and off? i want to say 3 finger tripple tap or dubble tap but I am not shure. many thanks. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:36 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! Wow, you would think 0 means what it says it does. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! Actually, the screen curtain blackens all light coming from the screen and nothing can be seen, whereas turning down the brightness to 0 still shows an image on the screen that a sighted person can see. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! If you have brightness set to 0, you don't need the screen curtain. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! It's for privacy purposes. The screen is simply black to where people can not see what you're doing as you use the phone. I use it all the time since I commute on the bus. I don't like to have my phone lit and all to where the person next to me can be sneeky and see what I'm doing. As far as the battery, not sure how to answer that, but I haven't noticed any significant changes. I use my iphone with brightness all the way down and auto brightness off since I don't need that to be on as I can't see it. Regards, Feliciano www.twitter.com/theblindman12v -Original Message- From: Jose Lomeli Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Jose Lomeli Subject: Screen curtain! Hello; Listers, I have a question! What is the screen curtain used for? Does it make the screen brightness lower like up to 0%? Does it waist the battery? Please let me know! Jose Lomeli Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to
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It's a 3 finger triple tap. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Mich mi...@eastlink.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! with all this talk of the screen curtin what is the vo jester to turn it on and off? i want to say 3 finger tripple tap or dubble tap but I am not shure. many thanks. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:36 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! Wow, you would think 0 means what it says it does. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! Actually, the screen curtain blackens all light coming from the screen and nothing can be seen, whereas turning down the brightness to 0 still shows an image on the screen that a sighted person can see. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! If you have brightness set to 0, you don't need the screen curtain. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! It's for privacy purposes. The screen is simply black to where people can not see what you're doing as you use the phone. I use it all the time since I commute on the bus. I don't like to have my phone lit and all to where the person next to me can be sneeky and see what I'm doing. As far as the battery, not sure how to answer that, but I haven't noticed any significant changes. I use my iphone with brightness all the way down and auto brightness off since I don't need that to be on as I can't see it. Regards, Feliciano www.twitter.com/theblindman12v -Original Message- From: Jose Lomeli Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Jose Lomeli Subject: Screen curtain! Hello; Listers, I have a question! What is the screen curtain used for? Does it make the screen brightness lower like up to 0%? Does it waist the battery? Please let me know! Jose Lomeli Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and
Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple
Thank you Jonathan That was very interesting. I think we need to do this, only if it helps blind people get employment. On 10 Jul 2014, at 05:51 pm, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi everyone. I'm a supporter of this resolution. To offer an alternative perspective on the discussion, I'd like to paste here the text of an entry I posted on my blog at http://mosen.org/index.php/nfbs-ios-app-resolution-some-perspective-and-context/ Being a member of a minority is exhausting at times. Ignorance, discrimination (both inadvertent and deliberate), and barriers preventing us from realising our full potential are problems we encounter regularly. These issues aren’t unique to blind people, or even to disabled people. I’m mindful as I write this of the recent 50th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act in the United States. It’s a significant piece of legislation. It required bravery on the part of the legislators who passed it. Its principles met with considerable resistance, some of it violent. This post is a long one, because I believe the issues of self-advocacy, collective advocacy, what is worth fighting for and what is not, are all important to our sense of self-perception and our expectations of what constitutes our rightful place in society. I’d like to illustrate both the challenges and potential of advocacy by recalling a few issues on which I’ve worked over the years, remind you of the advocacy of other minorities, then take a look at the National Federation of the Blind’s resolution on the accessibility of iOS apps in that context. Maybe before you took time out to read this post, you spent some time today reading a book. Perhaps it came from Bookshare, or a special format library. We now have access to eBooks, and it’s worth noting that access to the Kindle app was achieved after considerable collective advocacy efforts. Nevertheless, special format libraries and repositories continue to play an important part in blind people exercising our right to read. It wasn’t always this easy for special format organisations to get their material to you. In 1994, as the Manager of Government Relations for the organisation then known as the Royal New Zealand Foundation for the Blind, I oversaw a campaign of advocacy which took advantage of New Zealand’s Copyright Act being rewritten. We believed that if an author published a book, it was being published for all the people to access. The status quo at that time was that if the special format library in New Zealand, and for that matter most other countries, wanted to make a book available in Braille or on talking book, they had to write a letter to the copyright holder asking for their permission. Sometimes, those letters would sit on someone’s desk for months and months. Eventually, the library would get a reply. Most of the time the reply said “yes”, sometimes the request was declined, meaning blind people were deprived of access to that book. It seemed wrong to me that the process of making the book available in a special format, which is time-consuming in itself, was delayed by the need to seek permission. It was absolutely abhorrent to me that publishers felt they had the right to say “no”. We began an advocacy campaign asking for a clause to be added to the Copyright Act giving blanket permission for recognised organisations for people with print disabilities to make books available in special formats, without having to seek the permission of the copyright holder first. The response of the publishers was ferocious. They blasted me, and the campaign, for a culture of entitlement. Worse, they called me a thief. One day, I got a call from the representative of publishers who said, “so tell me, do you steal from everyone, or just from publishers”? There’s no doubt we’d got the publishers angry. But we calmly made our case to the people who mattered, legislators. We pointed out that the publishers weren’t being required to pay for their material to be made available in special formats, that access to the printed word was just as important as access to the built environment. The legislators agreed, and the law was passed. It was ground-breaking, and in subsequent years I was approached by a number of organisations in multiple countries, including the United States, about how we concluded that advocacy effort successfully and how they might go about doing something similar. Ultimately, that concept has now been enshrined in an international treaty. Something considered by some to be radical, over-reaching, exhibiting entitlement just 20 years ago is now considered sound public policy, even by the publishers. Not long after that campaign was concluded successfully, I was being asked to front up on a range of current affairs shows over my campaign to repeal the law which arguably prohibited any blind person from serving on any jury. I
Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple
Completely agree with those who are saying Apple is being unfairly targeted. Google fails miserably when you compare accessibility to Apple. And the NFB is a joke, every time I have contacted them about something they never get back to me. Considering Congress passed the 21st Century Communications Act two years ago, and I still can't get someone to tell me why I can't receive the described video feeds, there isn't a lot of stock I put in the NFB getting legislation passed when it isn't enforced. And weren't all products manufactured as of November 2013 suppose to be accessible to the blind? How's that working out? I have yet to read about one T.V. or set top box that has come out to have any kind of voice for the blind, and I'm betting there has been a new T.V. released since November. Just my thoughts. On Jul 10, 2014, at 11:45 AM, DJ grou...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, this is true. And what people should also remember is that what might be accessible to you might not be accessible to me. Some people claim that an app is not accessible because they can't get it to do what ever it is they want it to do, but in some cases what they didn't know is that if they had just been brave enough to try that one unlabeled button on the bottom of the screen, they would have found the success they were looking for. Yes, quite often an app is truly not accessible, but often it's a lack of knowledge or a person's fear which keeps said person from realizing that an app is more accessible than they thought. DJ -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Duck Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple Hi All, Perhaps Apple could give some indication as to the accessibility of an app in the app store but I would say that is as far as their responsibility should go. Yes, many apps could be much more accessible but some apps, because of their very visual nature, are not accessible and never will be. The notion that all apps should be made accessible is completely ridiculous. As blind people, we do have some obstacles that simply can never be removed. That's just life. Scott Duck -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple Here, here, Sieghard! Well said, very well said indeed! BTW: I myself am totally blind, have been since 1995, some folks seem to have a Don Quixote mentality and choose to tilt at windmills regardless as to the efficacy of that tilt. Apple, while not perfect (and just what of a organic nature is perfect?), has made a real commitment to including disabled customers in the circle of technology. Holland's Boy, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any
Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple
It seems to me that it's the NFB you are opposed to as much as the resolution! That's your right, but when you stray into attacks on any organization, any well reasoned objectivity for which you might be aiming goes by the wayside. Personally, I'm opposed to this resolution simply because, as it is currently worded, I don't feel that it will do the work for which it was intended! You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Jul 10, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: Completely agree with those who are saying Apple is being unfairly targeted. Google fails miserably when you compare accessibility to Apple. And the NFB is a joke, every time I have contacted them about something they never get back to me. Considering Congress passed the 21st Century Communications Act two years ago, and I still can't get someone to tell me why I can't receive the described video feeds, there isn't a lot of stock I put in the NFB getting legislation passed when it isn't enforced. And weren't all products manufactured as of November 2013 suppose to be accessible to the blind? How's that working out? I have yet to read about one T.V. or set top box that has come out to have any kind of voice for the blind, and I'm betting there has been a new T.V. released since November. Just my thoughts. On Jul 10, 2014, at 11:45 AM, DJ grou...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, this is true. And what people should also remember is that what might be accessible to you might not be accessible to me. Some people claim that an app is not accessible because they can't get it to do what ever it is they want it to do, but in some cases what they didn't know is that if they had just been brave enough to try that one unlabeled button on the bottom of the screen, they would have found the success they were looking for. Yes, quite often an app is truly not accessible, but often it's a lack of knowledge or a person's fear which keeps said person from realizing that an app is more accessible than they thought. DJ -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Duck Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple Hi All, Perhaps Apple could give some indication as to the accessibility of an app in the app store but I would say that is as far as their responsibility should go. Yes, many apps could be much more accessible but some apps, because of their very visual nature, are not accessible and never will be. The notion that all apps should be made accessible is completely ridiculous. As blind people, we do have some obstacles that simply can never be removed. That's just life. Scott Duck -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple Here, here, Sieghard! Well said, very well said indeed! BTW: I myself am totally blind, have been since 1995, some folks seem to have a Don Quixote mentality and choose to tilt at windmills regardless as to the efficacy of that tilt. Apple, while not perfect (and just what of a organic nature is perfect?), has made a real commitment to including disabled customers in the circle of technology. Holland's Boy, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at
RE: KNFB Reader App
Thanks, andy. Well, that gives me pause about this app. I don't think there's one app I rely upon for regular use that hasn't undergone regular upgrades, as newer devices are introduced and newer versions of iOS are released. I'm hesitant to consider investing $99 in what might be a one and done app whose developer isn't inclined towards maintaining cutting edge functionality with the latest hardware and/or software developments. Keith -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 8:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader App It hasn't been updated in a few years, and the phones it runs on haven't been manufactured in years. Andy -Original Message- From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 1:12 PM To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: KNFB Reader App I'm curious if users of the established KNFB app with the Nokia can comment on whether and how often the app was upgraded? Was it one and done or did it undergo continuing development? Thanks. Keith -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karl Smith Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader App I don't know about the apps such as Prizmo but when I used the KNFB app on my old Nokia phone I did on occasion get information off my laptop screen when the computer would suddenly not come up with speech and find out if I needed to hit enter or escape or whatever. I also read my XM radio screen at times. Sometimes you get a lot of junk with the scan but usually I could get enough information to tell me what I needed to do. Karl __ Karl Smith, Access Technology Consultant Axis 4304 South El Camino St. Taylorsville, Utah 84129 Phone: 866-824-7885 Fax: 866-824-7885 E-mail: k...@axistech.net Alternate E-mail: karl.axist...@gmail.com Twitter http://twitter.com/axistech My blog http://www.samobile.net/users/oksaxis/blog/ -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 1:22 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader App so I should be able to read my computer screen and other screens that have minues with this app? On 7/9/2014 2:21 AM, David Chittenden wrote: Yes, all of the mentioned apps do real-time OCR directly on the iPhone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 8 Jul 2014, at 11:59, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote: will it do real time ocr? On 7/7/2014 4:48 PM, Fred Olver wrote: It will be available in late August. Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Becky beckyas...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 5:24 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader App Hi all When will you be able to purchase this app? Vecky Sabo Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2014, at 12:18 PM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote: About five years ago, one of my patients had purchased the KNFB Reader with the Nokia phone for about $1250. He was really thrilled with his purchase and thought it was great value. He has been using it for the past five years and it's been working flawlessly! The results of the OCR have to be seen to be believed! I was shocked to hear that this app now sells for $99!! It's a steal! It's an outstanding application! Comparing it with other available OCR apps is like comparing chalk with cheese. -- websites: http://www.solavei.com/hanksmith http://qoinpro.com/5f674bfbfc97bbb1f3216db274fb72f8 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- websites: http://www.solavei.com/hanksmith http://qoinpro.com/5f674bfbfc97bbb1f3216db274fb72f8 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you
Re: Screen curtain!
But you would also hope that Screen Curtain does what it says it means, smile. The screen curtain feature probably wouldn't be there if there was no need of it. - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:36 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! Wow, you would think 0 means what it says it does. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! Actually, the screen curtain blackens all light coming from the screen and nothing can be seen, whereas turning down the brightness to 0 still shows an image on the screen that a sighted person can see. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! If you have brightness set to 0, you don't need the screen curtain. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! It's for privacy purposes. The screen is simply black to where people can not see what you're doing as you use the phone. I use it all the time since I commute on the bus. I don't like to have my phone lit and all to where the person next to me can be sneeky and see what I'm doing. As far as the battery, not sure how to answer that, but I haven't noticed any significant changes. I use my iphone with brightness all the way down and auto brightness off since I don't need that to be on as I can't see it. Regards, Feliciano www.twitter.com/theblindman12v -Original Message- From: Jose Lomeli Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Jose Lomeli Subject: Screen curtain! Hello; Listers, I have a question! What is the screen curtain used for? Does it make the screen brightness lower like up to 0%? Does it waist the battery? Please let me know! Jose Lomeli Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators
Re: Screen curtain!
Very true! Alan Sent from my iPad Air On Jul 10, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote: But you would also hope that Screen Curtain does what it says it means, smile. The screen curtain feature probably wouldn't be there if there was no need of it. - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:36 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! Wow, you would think 0 means what it says it does. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! Actually, the screen curtain blackens all light coming from the screen and nothing can be seen, whereas turning down the brightness to 0 still -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Screen curtain!
Now Alan; Just because the description states 0% brightness doesn't mean it cannot be seen at all. After all, quite often I'm accused of having 0% brightness, yet nobody never claims I've become invisible! ;-) Holland's Boy, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) - Original Message - From: Mich mi...@eastlink.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! with all this talk of the screen curtin what is the vo jester to turn it on and off? i want to say 3 finger tripple tap or dubble tap but I am not shure. many thanks. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:36 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! Wow, you would think 0 means what it says it does. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! Actually, the screen curtain blackens all light coming from the screen and nothing can be seen, whereas turning down the brightness to 0 still shows an image on the screen that a sighted person can see. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! If you have brightness set to 0, you don't need the screen curtain. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Screen curtain! It's for privacy purposes. The screen is simply black to where people can not see what you're doing as you use the phone. I use it all the time since I commute on the bus. I don't like to have my phone lit and all to where the person next to me can be sneeky and see what I'm doing. As far as the battery, not sure how to answer that, but I haven't noticed any significant changes. I use my iphone with brightness all the way down and auto brightness off since I don't need that to be on as I can't see it. Regards, Feliciano www.twitter.com/theblindman12v -Original Message- From: Jose Lomeli Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Jose Lomeli Subject: Screen curtain! Hello; Listers, I have a question! What is the screen curtain used for? Does it make the screen brightness lower like up to 0%? Does it waist the battery? Please let me know! Jose Lomeli Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post
APH Free Braille Entry App for iPad
HI all, Just came across this and thought those of you with an iPad might find this free app useful. Can't tell if it allows one to save to clipboard to paste in email, word processor, etc. Visual Brailler By American Printing House for the Blind (APH) Released: Jun 23, 2014 Free Compatibility: Requires iOS 7.0 or later. Compatible with iPad. Description Visual Brailler is the simple Braille editor. It's a braille writer for your iPad, and it has a place in every braille transcriber's toolbox. Use it for NLS certification exercises or to practice UEB. Show off your mastery of braille! Features: . 6-dot braille on-screen keyboard . Support for any and all 6-dot braille codes . An indefinite number of 40-cell braille lines . Cut, copy, and paste braille manipulation . Refreshable braille display input and output . BRL (unformatted) and BRF (formatted) braille file export Joseph the free tech guy! -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: KNFB Reader App
Hi Keith, I somehow doubt that the KNFB Reader app won't see regular updates. You have to keep in mind that of course it would not have been updated in years for the Symbean platform since Symbean has been gone for some years now. This would be like asking Freedom Scientific to continue to provide updates for Jaws for Windows 98 or something like that. One should also keep in mind that prior to Apple and the App Store there really were no app stores per say. Yes, there were apps for Symbean or Windows Mobile, but there wasn't an app store in that sense and while I am not a developer I would hazard a guess and say that it's probably easier to update iOS apps than it was to update applications for these older platforms. Regards, SieghardJaws -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:11 PM To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: KNFB Reader App Thanks, andy. Well, that gives me pause about this app. I don't think there's one app I rely upon for regular use that hasn't undergone regular upgrades, as newer devices are introduced and newer versions of iOS are released. I'm hesitant to consider investing $99 in what might be a one and done app whose developer isn't inclined towards maintaining cutting edge functionality with the latest hardware and/or software developments. Keith -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 8:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader App It hasn't been updated in a few years, and the phones it runs on haven't been manufactured in years. Andy -Original Message- From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 1:12 PM To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: KNFB Reader App I'm curious if users of the established KNFB app with the Nokia can comment on whether and how often the app was upgraded? Was it one and done or did it undergo continuing development? Thanks. Keith -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karl Smith Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader App I don't know about the apps such as Prizmo but when I used the KNFB app on my old Nokia phone I did on occasion get information off my laptop screen when the computer would suddenly not come up with speech and find out if I needed to hit enter or escape or whatever. I also read my XM radio screen at times. Sometimes you get a lot of junk with the scan but usually I could get enough information to tell me what I needed to do. Karl __ Karl Smith, Access Technology Consultant Axis 4304 South El Camino St. Taylorsville, Utah 84129 Phone: 866-824-7885 Fax: 866-824-7885 E-mail: k...@axistech.net Alternate E-mail: karl.axist...@gmail.com Twitter http://twitter.com/axistech My blog http://www.samobile.net/users/oksaxis/blog/ -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 1:22 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader App so I should be able to read my computer screen and other screens that have minues with this app? On 7/9/2014 2:21 AM, David Chittenden wrote: Yes, all of the mentioned apps do real-time OCR directly on the iPhone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 8 Jul 2014, at 11:59, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote: will it do real time ocr? On 7/7/2014 4:48 PM, Fred Olver wrote: It will be available in late August. Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Becky beckyas...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 5:24 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader App Hi all When will you be able to purchase this app? Vecky Sabo Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2014, at 12:18 PM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote: About five years ago, one of my patients had purchased the KNFB Reader with the Nokia phone for about $1250. He was really thrilled with his purchase and thought it was great value. He has been using it for the past five years and it's been working flawlessly! The results of the OCR have to be seen to be believed! I was shocked to hear that this app now sells for $99!! It's a steal! It's an outstanding application! Comparing it with other available OCR apps is like comparing chalk with cheese. -- websites: http://www.solavei.com/hanksmith http://qoinpro.com/5f674bfbfc97bbb1f3216db274fb72f8 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or
Re: KNFB Reader App
I wasn't a KNFB Reader user on the Nokia platform, but I believe I read just recently that it got several updates while Symbian was still being developed and new Nokia phones were still coming out. I'm pretty sure it was not a one and done application. The fact that KNFB Reader is still around and coming out with an IOS app indicates to me that they still want to and will be on the cutting efge for a while yet. On 07/10/2014 09:03 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Keith, I somehow doubt that the KNFB Reader app won't see regular updates. You have to keep in mind that of course it would not have been updated in years for the Symbean platform since Symbean has been gone for some years now. This would be like asking Freedom Scientific to continue to provide updates for Jaws for Windows 98 or something like that. One should also keep in mind that prior to Apple and the App Store there really were no app stores per say. Yes, there were apps for Symbean or Windows Mobile, but there wasn't an app store in that sense and while I am not a developer I would hazard a guess and say that it's probably easier to update iOS apps than it was to update applications for these older platforms. Regards, SieghardJaws -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:11 PM To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: KNFB Reader App Thanks, andy. Well, that gives me pause about this app. I don't think there's one app I rely upon for regular use that hasn't undergone regular upgrades, as newer devices are introduced and newer versions of iOS are released. I'm hesitant to consider investing $99 in what might be a one and done app whose developer isn't inclined towards maintaining cutting edge functionality with the latest hardware and/or software developments. Keith -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 8:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader App It hasn't been updated in a few years, and the phones it runs on haven't been manufactured in years. Andy -Original Message- From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 1:12 PM To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: KNFB Reader App I'm curious if users of the established KNFB app with the Nokia can comment on whether and how often the app was upgraded? Was it one and done or did it undergo continuing development? Thanks. Keith -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karl Smith Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: KNFB Reader App I don't know about the apps such as Prizmo but when I used the KNFB app on my old Nokia phone I did on occasion get information off my laptop screen when the computer would suddenly not come up with speech and find out if I needed to hit enter or escape or whatever. I also read my XM radio screen at times. Sometimes you get a lot of junk with the scan but usually I could get enough information to tell me what I needed to do. Karl __ Karl Smith, Access Technology Consultant Axis 4304 South El Camino St. Taylorsville, Utah 84129 Phone: 866-824-7885 Fax: 866-824-7885 E-mail: k...@axistech.net Alternate E-mail: karl.axist...@gmail.com Twitter http://twitter.com/axistech My blog http://www.samobile.net/users/oksaxis/blog/ -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 1:22 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader App so I should be able to read my computer screen and other screens that have minues with this app? On 7/9/2014 2:21 AM, David Chittenden wrote: Yes, all of the mentioned apps do real-time OCR directly on the iPhone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 8 Jul 2014, at 11:59, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote: will it do real time ocr? On 7/7/2014 4:48 PM, Fred Olver wrote: It will be available in late August. Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Becky beckyas...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 5:24 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader App Hi all When will you be able to purchase this app? Vecky Sabo Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2014, at 12:18 PM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote: About five years ago, one of my patients had purchased the KNFB Reader with the Nokia phone for about $1250. He was really thrilled with his purchase and thought it was great value. He has been using it for the past five years and it's been working flawlessly! The results of the OCR have to be seen to be believed! I was shocked to hear that this app now sells for
question about the Denon AVR-E300 5.1 Channel receiver as it has a remote in the app store
*** Mickey Quenzer *** *** Assistive Technology Training And Consulting Services LLC *** *** Web site: http://www.attacs.net *** *** Phone: 541-218-3975 *** Hello Listers: I am interested in the Denon AVR-E300 5.1 Channel 3D Pass Through and Networking Home Theater AV Receiver with AirPlay:from Amazon:Electronics. The price is $249.00 which sounds good. I'd like to know if anyone has this receiver and if the remote from the App Store is usable with VoiceOver? The link to this receiver is: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00B7X2OV2/ref=aw_d_pd_electronics Any help with this would be appreciated. *** MQ *** -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple
Thanks for this post Jonathan. I've been debating all day on whether to weigh in with my opinion or not. I'm glad I didn't because anything I said wouldn't have held a candle to your article and post below. When these debates spin up on these lists, the response to Curtis Chong's article is another good example, I wonder how many people actually follow the link and read the article and the NFB resolution before contributing their opinions to the mix. Your article, and the references to the struggles of other minorities, reminds me of a management job I had at a company a few years ago. Whenever we filled a position, we had to go through our candidates and for every woman and minority we didn't hire, we had to justify why we didn't offer them the job. This isn't the same as saying that every person we hired had to be a minority or a woman, it was just a way of making sure that we weren't discriminating, even subconsciously, against women or minorities. I hear the argument all of the time that not every app can be made accessible. Some of them are just too visual. Well, I think the burden should be placed on the app developer to prove it. The assumption is that your app has to be accessible, and if it's not, then you have to get a waiver approved to get it into the App Store. Less than ten years ago, quite a few people were saying that touch screens couldn't be made accessible to the blind because they were too visual. Luckily blind people today can use their iPhones to complain about this NFB resolution because Steve Jobs challenged his engineers to make their iPhone accessible and some very smart guys came up with VoiceOver for the touch interface. Who knows what these talented developers will come up with when they have to at least try to clear the accessibility bar before getting their app into the App Store. On 07/10/2014 11:51 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Hi everyone. I'm a supporter of this resolution. To offer an alternative perspective on the discussion, I'd like to paste here the text of an entry I posted on my blog at http://mosen.org/index.php/nfbs-ios-app-resolution-some-perspective-and-context/ Being a member of a minority is exhausting at times. Ignorance, discrimination (both inadvertent and deliberate), and barriers preventing us from realising our full potential are problems we encounter regularly. These issues aren't unique to blind people, or even to disabled people. I'm mindful as I write this of the recent 50th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act in the United States. It's a significant piece of legislation. It required bravery on the part of the legislators who passed it. Its principles met with considerable resistance, some of it violent. This post is a long one, because I believe the issues of self-advocacy, collective advocacy, what is worth fighting for and what is not, are all important to our sense of self-perception and our expectations of what constitutes our rightful place in society. I'd like to illustrate both the challenges and potential of advocacy by recalling a few issues on which I've worked over the years, remind you of the advocacy of other minorities, then take a look at the National Federation of the Blind's resolution on the accessibility of iOS apps in that context. Maybe before you took time out to read this post, you spent some time today reading a book. Perhaps it came from Bookshare, or a special format library. We now have access to eBooks, and it's worth noting that access to the Kindle app was achieved after considerable collective advocacy efforts. Nevertheless, special format libraries and repositories continue to play an important part in blind people exercising our right to read. It wasn't always this easy for special format organisations to get their material to you. In 1994, as the Manager of Government Relations for the organisation then known as the Royal New Zealand Foundation for the Blind, I oversaw a campaign of advocacy which took advantage of New Zealand's Copyright Act being rewritten. We believed that if an author published a book, it was being published for all the people to access. The status quo at that time was that if the special format library in New Zealand, and for that matter most other countries, wanted to make a book available in Braille or on talking book, they had to write a letter to the copyright holder asking for their permission. Sometimes, those letters would sit on someone's desk for months and months. Eventually, the library would get a reply. Most of the time the reply said yes, sometimes the request was declined, meaning blind people were deprived of access to that book. It seemed wrong to me that the process of making the book available in a special format, which is time-consuming in itself, was delayed by the need to seek permission. It was absolutely abhorrent to me that publishers felt they had the right to say no. We began an advocacy campaign asking for a clause to be added to the
Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple
I'm not sure I'd say Google fails miserably when compared to Apple's accessibility. I picked up a Nexus 7 recently. I'm still getting used to it, and it definitely behaves differently than an iPhone, but when comparing the two, I wouldn't say the Nexus 7 fails miserably compared to the iPhone. There are even some accessibility aspects I prefer over Apple's way of doing things. I'm running Android 4.4.4 on my Nexus, and I know Android has made a lot of accessibility advances over the last few releases. There are also a lot of expectations on Android 5, which was just released as a developers preview recently. Samsung has also added some accessibility features on top of Android on their hand sets making for a very good initial experience for a blind smart phone user. I'm not putting away my iPhone any time soon, but I think we need to be careful making sweeping statements about the state of accessibility on other platforms. It takes away from what might otherwise be a valid point. On 07/10/2014 01:58 PM, Brian Fischler wrote: Completely agree with those who are saying Apple is being unfairly targeted. Google fails miserably when you compare accessibility to Apple. And the NFB is a joke, every time I have contacted them about something they never get back to me. Considering Congress passed the 21st Century Communications Act two years ago, and I still can't get someone to tell me why I can't receive the described video feeds, there isn't a lot of stock I put in the NFB getting legislation passed when it isn't enforced. And weren't all products manufactured as of November 2013 suppose to be accessible to the blind? How's that working out? I have yet to read about one T.V. or set top box that has come out to have any kind of voice for the blind, and I'm betting there has been a new T.V. released since November. Just my thoughts. On Jul 10, 2014, at 11:45 AM, DJ grou...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, this is true. And what people should also remember is that what might be accessible to you might not be accessible to me. Some people claim that an app is not accessible because they can't get it to do what ever it is they want it to do, but in some cases what they didn't know is that if they had just been brave enough to try that one unlabeled button on the bottom of the screen, they would have found the success they were looking for. Yes, quite often an app is truly not accessible, but often it's a lack of knowledge or a person's fear which keeps said person from realizing that an app is more accessible than they thought. DJ -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Duck Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple Hi All, Perhaps Apple could give some indication as to the accessibility of an app in the app store but I would say that is as far as their responsibility should go. Yes, many apps could be much more accessible but some apps, because of their very visual nature, are not accessible and never will be. The notion that all apps should be made accessible is completely ridiculous. As blind people, we do have some obstacles that simply can never be removed. That's just life. Scott Duck -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Advocates for blind, deaf want even more from Apple Here, here, Sieghard! Well said, very well said indeed! BTW: I myself am totally blind, have been since 1995, some folks seem to have a Don Quixote mentality and choose to tilt at windmills regardless as to the efficacy of that tilt. Apple, while not perfect (and just what of a organic nature is perfect?), has made a real commitment to including disabled customers in the circle of technology. Holland's Boy, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is
