RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Carolyn]

That is the only way I have ever done it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 11:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

What do you know, you are correct, I just tried this on my iPhone 11, I pressed 
volume up, then volume down and then I pressed the side button and held it for 
a moment and the Power off screen came up and focus was actually on the Power 
Off button, so this is actually not a bad way to do this at all.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
Collins
Sent: November 21, 2021 8:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

First, your description of the screen after pressing the volume down and side 
button was great, and thanks so much for it. I actually will use that method 
for turning off the phone from now on. But second, although I won't use it 
anymore, when checking again just now, I sure did get a power off screen where 
I could either power off or cancel if I pressed the volume up button and 
released it, pressed the volume down button and released it, and then pressed 
the side button for a second or two and released it. Sometimes it even said 
power off before I could release the button so I knew that screen had come up. 
However, if when following the above procedure I held down the side button for 
about ten seconds and then released it, the phone did indeed restart.
Oh, this is on my XR running iOS 15.1. I had originally purchased this phone 
used off one of the blindness buy and sell lists and was planning to give it to 
a family member but just kept it when that particular person had already 
purchased an iPhone SE 2020 on their own. Thus since I now have this phone and 
a couple of older ones I'm using to see how long it will take for their 
batteries to run down, my poor 12 Mini is still in the drawer where I put it in 
its box when I ordered it on the first day Apple started taking orders for it. 
My first generation iPhone SE now shows its maximum capacity at 57 percent but 
still supporting normal peak performance. And while the battery might last a 
few hours on standby, things like web surfing or TV watching will often, but 
not always, cause the battery to run down within an hour, and it never lasts 
more than two hours doing those kinds of things. In fact, the battery for that 
phone is pretty much completely unpredictable as to just how long it will last, 
sometimes showing 100 percent after charging overnight and then going down to 
zero and just shutting off if I perform an action such as going a couple of 
layers into the settings.

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Sunday, November 21, 2021 2:10 pm
Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

>
>
> When you do what you describe you are not actually turning off the phone, you 
> are restarting it.
> If you want to turn it off and you don't want to use the buttons, you can go 
> to Settings > General > Shutdown and double tap.
> This also brings up the same menu as holding down say Volume Down and thew 
> Side button, focus is most likely on Power Off, but just make sure of it 
> because as I said, it's the same menu and it also includes the emergency call 
> buton.
> Anyways, if you simultaneously press and  hold volume down and the side 
> button until the menu comes up, the only way you call emergency services 
> would be if focus is on that button and you double tap without tchecking.
> I always swipe left until I get to the Power Off button and if it seems I am 
> on Power Off already I may even swipe right once and back to the left to make 
> sure. The screen when this menu comes up is laid out as follows:
> 
> At the very top you still have the status bar with the time, your cell 
> signal, Wi-Fi and battery status on the right Just underneath that is where 
> it says "Double Tap to the Power Off" button, for a sighted person it 
> actually says "Slide to Power off" because instead of double tapping they do 
> a left to right swipe.
> After this there is now something I realize I never heard before, it says 
> literally the following "location.fill.radiowaves.left.and.rightiPhone 
> Findable After Power Off  his Forward"
> I tapped on that to see what it would do and the following message pops up on 
> the screen:
> iPhone remains findable after power off.
> Find My helps you located this iPhone when it is lost or stolen even after 
> power off.
> The location is visible in Find My on your other devices and to people in 
> family sharing you share location with.
> You can t

RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Read the message I sent initially, I pasted the text as it is showing up 
exactly. This is a new feature in iOS 15.

If you have iOS 15 on your phone you can also just check it yourself, bring up 
the power off screen and tap on the button below Power Off, it has a weird 
label and if you double tap it you'l get the message about this.

Below is the first paragraph of a 9to5Mac article about this feature:



With iOS 15, your iPhone is still traceable through the Find My network even 
when the device is powered off. It seems that with iOS 15, the phone is not 
really fully "powered off", it stays in a low-power state and acts like an

AirTag, allowing any nearby iOS device to pick up the Bluetooth signal and send 
back its location.



iOS 15: Find My network can still find your iPhone when it is powered off, or 
factory reset - 
9to5Mac<https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/07/ios-15-find-my-network-can-find-your-iphone-when-it-is-powered-off/>





-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: November 22, 2021 9:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone



Sieghard, Wait...What, My phone after turning it off or the battery dies still 
sends out a location signal??? How is this possible? Is this feature within the 
IOS software? Or is it available on newer devices as a hardware chip or 
something? I've seen the setting for sending the devices last location before 
the device shuts off. The location of a device still being sent after being 
completely turned off is new info to me. Interesting...樂



Donna

>

> Donna, I am sure what you are describing is correct, but I think this button 
> on the power off screen refers to the new feature where an iPhone's location 
> is still being sent even after the phone is powered off. This would mean if 
> somebody stole an iPhone even powering it off wouldn't prevent the phone's 
> location from being sent and updated on iCloud. Of course sophisticated 
> thieves could still find ways to deal with that by placing the phone in a 
> container which shields it and prevents signals from being sent, but it 
> certainly makes it yet harder. My criticism is not in the feature but in this 
> strangely labelled button on the lock screen and its meaning.

>

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of

> Donna Casteen

> Sent: November 21, 2021 4:45 PM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

> Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off

> iPhone

>

> Sieghard, the Find My feature that you came across is a feature in which the 
> phones last location is sent to Apple & any friends before the phone is 
> powered off or before the battery in the phone dies from the neglect to 
> charge the phone battery. The setting to turn this feature on/off is in 
> settings, but I can't recall if it is in battery, Find My, SOS or possibly 
> even some place else.

>

> Donna

>

>>

>> When you do what you describe you are not actually turning off the phone, 
>> you are restarting it.

>> If you want to turn it off and you don't want to use the buttons, you can go 
>> to Settings > General > Shutdown and double tap.

>> This also brings up the same menu as holding down say Volume Down and thew 
>> Side button, focus is most likely on Power Off, but just make sure of it 
>> because as I said, it's the same menu and it also includes the emergency 
>> call buton.

>> Anyways, if you simultaneously press and  hold volume down and the side 
>> button until the menu comes up, the only way you call emergency services 
>> would be if focus is on that button and you double tap without tchecking.

>> I always swipe left until I get to the Power Off button and if it seems I am 
>> on Power Off already I may even swipe right once and back to the left to 
>> make sure. The screen when this menu comes up is laid out as follows:

>>

>> At the very top you still have the status bar with the time, your

>> cell signal, Wi-Fi and battery status on the right Just underneath that is 
>> where it says "Double Tap to the Power Off" button, for a sighted person it 
>> actually says "Slide to Power off" because instead of double tapping they do 
>> a left to right swipe.

>> After this there is now something I realize I never heard before, it says 
>> literally the following "location.fill.radiowaves.left.and.rightiPhone 
>> Findable After Power OffForward"

>> I tapped on that to see what it would do and the following message pops up 
>>

RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Donna, yes, it will if you press and hold the power button, but after about 2 
seconds the power off screen comes up and if you then let go of the volume 
button the phone won't restart, it will simply sit there with focus on the 
power off button and all you have to do to shut it down is to double tap.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: November 22, 2021 9:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

Sieghard, If you press volume up, volume down & continue to press the power 
button, the phone will restart.

Donna

> 
> What do you know, you are correct, I just tried this on my iPhone 11, I 
> pressed volume up, then volume down and then I pressed the side button and 
> held it for a moment and the Power off screen came up and focus was actually 
> on the Power Off button, so this is actually not a bad way to do this at all.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Vicky Collins
> Sent: November 21, 2021 8:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off 
> iPhone
> 
> First, your description of the screen after pressing the volume down and side 
> button was great, and thanks so much for it. I actually will use that method 
> for turning off the phone from now on. But second, although I won't use it 
> anymore, when checking again just now, I sure did get a power off screen 
> where I could either power off or cancel if I pressed the volume up button 
> and released it, pressed the volume down button and released it, and then 
> pressed the side button for a second or two and released it. Sometimes it 
> even said power off before I could release the button so I knew that screen 
> had come up. However, if when following the above procedure I held down the 
> side button for about ten seconds and then released it, the phone did indeed 
> restart.
> Oh, this is on my XR running iOS 15.1. I had originally purchased this phone 
> used off one of the blindness buy and sell lists and was planning to give it 
> to a family member but just kept it when that particular person had already 
> purchased an iPhone SE 2020 on their own. Thus since I now have this phone 
> and a couple of older ones I'm using to see how long it will take for their 
> batteries to run down, my poor 12 Mini is still in the drawer where I put it 
> in its box when I ordered it on the first day Apple started taking orders for 
> it. My first generation iPhone SE now shows its maximum capacity at 57 
> percent but still supporting normal peak performance. And while the battery 
> might last a few hours on standby, things like web surfing or TV watching 
> will often, but not always, cause the battery to run down within an hour, and 
> it never lasts more than two hours doing those kinds of things. In fact, the 
> battery for that phone is pretty much completely unpredictable as to just how 
> long it will last, sometimes showing 100 percent after charging overnight and 
> then going down to zero and just shutting off if I perform an action such as 
> going a couple of layers into the settings.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel  
> To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
> Date: Sunday, November 21, 2021 2:10 pm
> Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off 
> iPhone
> 
>> 
>> 
>> When you do what you describe you are not actually turning off the phone, 
>> you are restarting it.
>> If you want to turn it off and you don't want to use the buttons, you can go 
>> to Settings > General > Shutdown and double tap.
>> This also brings up the same menu as holding down say Volume Down and thew 
>> Side button, focus is most likely on Power Off, but just make sure of it 
>> because as I said, it's the same menu and it also includes the emergency 
>> call buton.
>> Anyways, if you simultaneously press and  hold volume down and the side 
>> button until the menu comes up, the only way you call emergency services 
>> would be if focus is on that button and you double tap without tchecking.
>> I always swipe left until I get to the Power Off button and if it seems I am 
>> on Power Off already I may even swipe right once and back to the left to 
>> make sure. The screen when this menu comes up is laid out as follows:
>> 
>> At the very top you still have the status bar with the time, your 
>> cell signal, Wi-Fi and battery status on the right Just underneath that is 
>> where it says "Double Tap to the Power Off" button, for a sighted person it 
>> actually says "Slide to Power off"

Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Donna Casteen]

Sieghard, Wait...What, My phone after turning it off or the battery dies still 
sends out a location signal??? How is this possible? Is this feature within the 
IOS software? Or is it available on newer devices as a hardware chip or 
something? I've seen the setting for sending the devices last location before 
the device shuts off. The location of a device still being sent after being 
completely turned off is new info to me. Interesting...樂

Donna
 
> 
> Donna, I am sure what you are describing is correct, but I think this button 
> on the power off screen refers to the new feature where an iPhone's location 
> is still being sent even after the phone is powered off. This would mean if 
> somebody stole an iPhone even powering it off wouldn't prevent the phone's 
> location from being sent and updated on iCloud. Of course sophisticated 
> thieves could still find ways to deal with that by placing the phone in a 
> container which shields it and prevents signals from being sent, but it 
> certainly makes it yet harder. My criticism is not in the feature but in this 
> strangely labelled button on the lock screen and its meaning.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
> Casteen
> Sent: November 21, 2021 4:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone
> 
> Sieghard, the Find My feature that you came across is a feature in which the 
> phones last location is sent to Apple & any friends before the phone is 
> powered off or before the battery in the phone dies from the neglect to 
> charge the phone battery. The setting to turn this feature on/off is in 
> settings, but I can't recall if it is in battery, Find My, SOS or possibly 
> even some place else.
> 
> Donna
> 
>> 
>> When you do what you describe you are not actually turning off the phone, 
>> you are restarting it.
>> If you want to turn it off and you don't want to use the buttons, you can go 
>> to Settings > General > Shutdown and double tap.
>> This also brings up the same menu as holding down say Volume Down and thew 
>> Side button, focus is most likely on Power Off, but just make sure of it 
>> because as I said, it's the same menu and it also includes the emergency 
>> call buton.
>> Anyways, if you simultaneously press and  hold volume down and the side 
>> button until the menu comes up, the only way you call emergency services 
>> would be if focus is on that button and you double tap without tchecking.
>> I always swipe left until I get to the Power Off button and if it seems I am 
>> on Power Off already I may even swipe right once and back to the left to 
>> make sure. The screen when this menu comes up is laid out as follows:
>> 
>> At the very top you still have the status bar with the time, your cell 
>> signal, Wi-Fi and battery status on the right Just underneath that is where 
>> it says "Double Tap to the Power Off" button, for a sighted person it 
>> actually says "Slide to Power off" because instead of double tapping they do 
>> a left to right swipe.
>> After this there is now something I realize I never heard before, it says 
>> literally the following "location.fill.radiowaves.left.and.rightiPhone 
>> Findable After Power OffForward"
>> I tapped on that to see what it would do and the following message pops up 
>> on the screen:
>> iPhone remains findable after power off.
>> Find My helps you located this iPhone when it is lost or stolen even after 
>> power off.
>> The location is visible in Find My on your other devices and to people in 
>> family sharing you share location with.
>> You can temporarily turn off Find My network and it will resume when this 
>> iPhone is powered on again.
>> Then there is an OK button.
>> What I don't know is whether tapping on this turns off the Find My after 
>> power off because the only thing you can do when you see the above message 
>> is tap the OK button and this takes you right back to the same Power Off 
>> screen, but this weird sounding and not very descriptive button is not read 
>> any differently by Voiceover. I will write to Apple Accessibility and ask 
>> for clarification regarding this.
>> OK, back to the Power Off screen description:
>> 
>> If you swipe right again you now come to the "Medical Id" button 
>> Another swipe right takes you to the "Emergency Call" button If you 
>> explore the screen instead of swiping right you will find that there is a 
>> bit of a gap between the first two buttons and these two which are pretty 
>>

Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Donna Casteen]

Sieghard, If you press volume up, volume down & continue to press the power 
button, the phone will restart.

Donna

> 
> What do you know, you are correct, I just tried this on my iPhone 11, I 
> pressed volume up, then volume down and then I pressed the side button and 
> held it for a moment and the Power off screen came up and focus was actually 
> on the Power Off button, so this is actually not a bad way to do this at all.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
> Collins
> Sent: November 21, 2021 8:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone
> 
> First, your description of the screen after pressing the volume down and side 
> button was great, and thanks so much for it. I actually will use that method 
> for turning off the phone from now on. But second, although I won't use it 
> anymore, when checking again just now, I sure did get a power off screen 
> where I could either power off or cancel if I pressed the volume up button 
> and released it, pressed the volume down button and released it, and then 
> pressed the side button for a second or two and released it. Sometimes it 
> even said power off before I could release the button so I knew that screen 
> had come up. However, if when following the above procedure I held down the 
> side button for about ten seconds and then released it, the phone did indeed 
> restart.
> Oh, this is on my XR running iOS 15.1. I had originally purchased this phone 
> used off one of the blindness buy and sell lists and was planning to give it 
> to a family member but just kept it when that particular person had already 
> purchased an iPhone SE 2020 on their own. Thus since I now have this phone 
> and a couple of older ones I'm using to see how long it will take for their 
> batteries to run down, my poor 12 Mini is still in the drawer where I put it 
> in its box when I ordered it on the first day Apple started taking orders for 
> it. My first generation iPhone SE now shows its maximum capacity at 57 
> percent but still supporting normal peak performance. And while the battery 
> might last a few hours on standby, things like web surfing or TV watching 
> will often, but not always, cause the battery to run down within an hour, and 
> it never lasts more than two hours doing those kinds of things. In fact, the 
> battery for that phone is pretty much completely unpredictable as to just how 
> long it will last, sometimes showing 100 percent after charging overnight and 
> then going down to zero and just shutting off if I perform an action such as 
> going a couple of layers into the settings.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel  
> To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
> Date: Sunday, November 21, 2021 2:10 pm
> Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone
> 
>> 
>> 
>> When you do what you describe you are not actually turning off the phone, 
>> you are restarting it.
>> If you want to turn it off and you don't want to use the buttons, you can go 
>> to Settings > General > Shutdown and double tap.
>> This also brings up the same menu as holding down say Volume Down and thew 
>> Side button, focus is most likely on Power Off, but just make sure of it 
>> because as I said, it's the same menu and it also includes the emergency 
>> call buton.
>> Anyways, if you simultaneously press and  hold volume down and the side 
>> button until the menu comes up, the only way you call emergency services 
>> would be if focus is on that button and you double tap without tchecking.
>> I always swipe left until I get to the Power Off button and if it seems I am 
>> on Power Off already I may even swipe right once and back to the left to 
>> make sure. The screen when this menu comes up is laid out as follows:
>> 
>> At the very top you still have the status bar with the time, your cell 
>> signal, Wi-Fi and battery status on the right Just underneath that is where 
>> it says "Double Tap to the Power Off" button, for a sighted person it 
>> actually says "Slide to Power off" because instead of double tapping they do 
>> a left to right swipe.
>> After this there is now something I realize I never heard before, it says 
>> literally the following "location.fill.radiowaves.left.and.rightiPhone 
>> Findable After Power Off  his Forward"
>> I tapped on that to see what it would do and the following message pops up 
>> on the screen:
>> iPhone remains findable after power off.
>> Find My helps you located this iPhone when it is lost or stolen even after 

RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Alan,

Another good observation so this method for powering off the phone is clearly 
better than holding volume button and side button at the same time since by 
doing so one after each other you don't get all the other stuff like Medical Id 
and Emergency Call. However, that weird Location.Radiowave button still showed 
up for me on that screen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: November 21, 2021 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

Hi Vicky,

I also get a power off button at the top of the screen when pressing and 
releasing volume up, pressing and releasing volume down, then holding down the 
side power button for a couple of seconds. Only power off and cancel are on the 
screen with this method. If the side power button is held down for several 
seconds with this method, the phone does a hard reset. This is on my iPhone 13 
Mini.

I'm curious why your iPhone 12 Mini is in a drawer. You really didn't explain 
what the problem is with it. I love my 13 Mini.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
Collins
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 10:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

First, your description of the screen after pressing the volume down and side 
button was great, and thanks so much for it. I actually will use that method 
for turning off the phone from now on. But second, although I won't use it 
anymore, when checking again just now, I sure did get a power off screen where 
I could either power off or cancel if I pressed the volume up button and 
released it, pressed the volume down button and released it, and then pressed 
the side button for a second or two and released it. Sometimes it even said 
power off before I could release the button so I knew that screen had come up. 
However, if when following the above procedure I held down the side button for 
about ten seconds and then released it, the phone did indeed restart.
Oh, this is on my XR running iOS 15.1. I had originally purchased this phone 
used off one of the blindness buy and sell lists and was planning to give it to 
a family member but just kept it when that particular person had already 
purchased an iPhone SE 2020 on their own. Thus since I now have this phone and 
a couple of older ones I'm using to see how long it will take for their 
batteries to run down, my poor 12 Mini is still in the drawer where I put it in 
its box when I ordered it on the first day Apple started taking orders for it. 
My first generation iPhone SE now shows its maximum capacity at 57 percent but 
still supporting normal peak performance. And while the battery might last a 
few hours on standby, things like web surfing or TV watching will often, but 
not always, cause the battery to run down within an hour, and it never lasts 
more than two hours doing those kinds of things. In fact, the battery for that 
phone is pretty much completely unpredictable as to just how long it will last, 
sometimes showing 100 percent after charging overnight and then going down to 
zero and just shutting off if I perform an action such as going a couple of 
layers into the settings.

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Sunday, November 21, 2021 2:10 pm
Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

>
>
> When you do what you describe you are not actually turning off the phone, you 
> are restarting it.
> If you want to turn it off and you don't want to use the buttons, you can go 
> to Settings > General > Shutdown and double tap.
> This also brings up the same menu as holding down say Volume Down and thew 
> Side button, focus is most likely on Power Off, but just make sure of it 
> because as I said, it's the same menu and it also includes the emergency call 
> buton.
> Anyways, if you simultaneously press and  hold volume down and the side 
> button until the menu comes up, the only way you call emergency services 
> would be if focus is on that button and you double tap without tchecking.
> I always swipe left until I get to the Power Off button and if it seems I am 
> on Power Off already I may even swipe right once and back to the left to make 
> sure. The screen when this menu comes up is laid out as follows:
> 
> At the very top you still have the status bar with the time, your cell 
> signal, Wi-Fi and battery status on the right Just underneath that is where 
> it says "Double Tap to the Power Off" button, for a sighted person it 
> actually says "Slide to Power off" because instead of double tapping they do 
> a left to right swipe.
> After this there is now something I realize I never heard before, it says 
> literal

RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

What do you know, you are correct, I just tried this on my iPhone 11, I pressed 
volume up, then volume down and then I pressed the side button and held it for 
a moment and the Power off screen came up and focus was actually on the Power 
Off button, so this is actually not a bad way to do this at all.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
Collins
Sent: November 21, 2021 8:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

First, your description of the screen after pressing the volume down and side 
button was great, and thanks so much for it. I actually will use that method 
for turning off the phone from now on. But second, although I won't use it 
anymore, when checking again just now, I sure did get a power off screen where 
I could either power off or cancel if I pressed the volume up button and 
released it, pressed the volume down button and released it, and then pressed 
the side button for a second or two and released it. Sometimes it even said 
power off before I could release the button so I knew that screen had come up. 
However, if when following the above procedure I held down the side button for 
about ten seconds and then released it, the phone did indeed restart.
Oh, this is on my XR running iOS 15.1. I had originally purchased this phone 
used off one of the blindness buy and sell lists and was planning to give it to 
a family member but just kept it when that particular person had already 
purchased an iPhone SE 2020 on their own. Thus since I now have this phone and 
a couple of older ones I'm using to see how long it will take for their 
batteries to run down, my poor 12 Mini is still in the drawer where I put it in 
its box when I ordered it on the first day Apple started taking orders for it. 
My first generation iPhone SE now shows its maximum capacity at 57 percent but 
still supporting normal peak performance. And while the battery might last a 
few hours on standby, things like web surfing or TV watching will often, but 
not always, cause the battery to run down within an hour, and it never lasts 
more than two hours doing those kinds of things. In fact, the battery for that 
phone is pretty much completely unpredictable as to just how long it will last, 
sometimes showing 100 percent after charging overnight and then going down to 
zero and just shutting off if I perform an action such as going a couple of 
layers into the settings.

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Sunday, November 21, 2021 2:10 pm
Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

>
>
> When you do what you describe you are not actually turning off the phone, you 
> are restarting it.
> If you want to turn it off and you don't want to use the buttons, you can go 
> to Settings > General > Shutdown and double tap.
> This also brings up the same menu as holding down say Volume Down and thew 
> Side button, focus is most likely on Power Off, but just make sure of it 
> because as I said, it's the same menu and it also includes the emergency call 
> buton.
> Anyways, if you simultaneously press and  hold volume down and the side 
> button until the menu comes up, the only way you call emergency services 
> would be if focus is on that button and you double tap without tchecking.
> I always swipe left until I get to the Power Off button and if it seems I am 
> on Power Off already I may even swipe right once and back to the left to make 
> sure. The screen when this menu comes up is laid out as follows:
> 
> At the very top you still have the status bar with the time, your cell 
> signal, Wi-Fi and battery status on the right Just underneath that is where 
> it says "Double Tap to the Power Off" button, for a sighted person it 
> actually says "Slide to Power off" because instead of double tapping they do 
> a left to right swipe.
> After this there is now something I realize I never heard before, it says 
> literally the following "location.fill.radiowaves.left.and.rightiPhone 
> Findable After Power Off  his Forward"
> I tapped on that to see what it would do and the following message pops up on 
> the screen:
> iPhone remains findable after power off.
> Find My helps you located this iPhone when it is lost or stolen even after 
> power off.
> The location is visible in Find My on your other devices and to people in 
> family sharing you share location with.
> You can temporarily turn off Find My network and it will resume when this 
> iPhone is powered on again.
> Then there is an OK button.
> What I don't know is whether tapping on this turns off the Find My after 
> power off because the only thing you can do when you see the above message is 
> tap the OK button an

RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Donna, I am sure what you are describing is correct, but I think this button on 
the power off screen refers to the new feature where an iPhone's location is 
still being sent even after the phone is powered off. This would mean if 
somebody stole an iPhone even powering it off wouldn't prevent the phone's 
location from being sent and updated on iCloud. Of course sophisticated thieves 
could still find ways to deal with that by placing the phone in a container 
which shields it and prevents signals from being sent, but it certainly makes 
it yet harder. My criticism is not in the feature but in this strangely 
labelled button on the lock screen and its meaning.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: November 21, 2021 4:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

Sieghard, the Find My feature that you came across is a feature in which the 
phones last location is sent to Apple & any friends before the phone is powered 
off or before the battery in the phone dies from the neglect to charge the 
phone battery. The setting to turn this feature on/off is in settings, but I 
can't recall if it is in battery, Find My, SOS or possibly even some place else.

Donna
  
> 
> When you do what you describe you are not actually turning off the phone, 
> you are restarting it.
> If you want to turn it off and you don't want to use the buttons, you can go 
> to Settings > General > Shutdown and double tap.
> This also brings up the same menu as holding down say Volume Down and thew 
> Side button, focus is most likely on Power Off, but just make sure of it 
> because as I said, it's the same menu and it also includes the emergency call 
> buton.
> Anyways, if you simultaneously press and  hold volume down and the side 
> button until the menu comes up, the only way you call emergency services 
> would be if focus is on that button and you double tap without tchecking.
> I always swipe left until I get to the Power Off button and if it seems I am 
> on Power Off already I may even swipe right once and back to the left to make 
> sure. The screen when this menu comes up is laid out as follows:
> 
> At the very top you still have the status bar with the time, your cell 
> signal, Wi-Fi and battery status on the right Just underneath that is where 
> it says "Double Tap to the Power Off" button, for a sighted person it 
> actually says "Slide to Power off" because instead of double tapping they do 
> a left to right swipe.
> After this there is now something I realize I never heard before, it says 
> literally the following "location.fill.radiowaves.left.and.rightiPhone 
> Findable After Power OffForward"
> I tapped on that to see what it would do and the following message pops up on 
> the screen:
> iPhone remains findable after power off.
> Find My helps you located this iPhone when it is lost or stolen even after 
> power off.
> The location is visible in Find My on your other devices and to people in 
> family sharing you share location with.
> You can temporarily turn off Find My network and it will resume when this 
> iPhone is powered on again.
> Then there is an OK button.
> What I don't know is whether tapping on this turns off the Find My after 
> power off because the only thing you can do when you see the above message is 
> tap the OK button and this takes you right back to the same Power Off screen, 
> but this weird sounding and not very descriptive button is not read any 
> differently by Voiceover. I will write to Apple Accessibility and ask for 
> clarification regarding this.
> OK, back to the Power Off screen description:
> 
> If you swipe right again you now come to the "Medical Id" button 
> Another swipe right takes you to the "Emergency Call" button If you 
> explore the screen instead of swiping right you will find that there is a bit 
> of a gap between the first two buttons and these two which are pretty much 
> right in the middle of the screen.
> 
> Lastly, if you swipe right again from the Emergency Call button, you find a 
> "Cancel" button and as the name implies, if you double tap here it will again 
> close this screen and take you back to wherever you were before.
> That button is again after a gap and it's located near the bottom of the 
> screen.
> All these buttons go right across most of the screen from left to right, i.e. 
> you can touch your screen near the left side and drag your finger down and 
> find them or you can touch the screen near the top on the right side or in 
> the middle.
> 
> You really shouldn't be that afraid, you are much more likely to accidently 
> call emergency services if you press 

RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I don't think anybody can gain access to somebody's iCloud account, but I do 
remember that I once received a replacement phone after something didn't seem 
right with mine and while this was a long time ago, I remember wondering why I 
saw some weird email address already in the email field when it came time to 
sign into iCloud. I assume maybe that was the reason.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: November 21, 2021 1:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

My only comment is that Apple should rethink it’s claim to being the most 
secure of the smart phones if completely erasing an iPhone through the reset 
process enables someone acquiring that phone to get into the prior owner’s 
iCloud account. And I’m not sure finding references to old iPhones in your same 
account under the same Apple ID is what’s being discussed here.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

Alan,

I don't entirely agree here, I sometimes have found references to old iPhones 
of mine which I fully erased and sold in my Apple account where I had to remove 
them manually and I wonder if maybe signing out of iCloud is a way to prevent 
this from happening.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: November 21, 2021 7:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

Hi Vicky,

If you've completely erased your phone as part of the reset process in 
preparation of selling it, their is no need to also sign out of iCloud. After a 
complete reset, the phone will be like a new device.

You can get to the power off button on the screen by holding down either the 
volume up or volume down buttons simultaneously with the side power button. 
When you do, a new screen appears with power off at the top, followed by 
Medical ID, Emergency SOS, and Cancel. If you test this, you will have to enter 
your passcode if you cancel out of it.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Vicky 
Collins mailto:vcollins5...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 8:31:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

First, when reading the instructions for selling or giving away or whatever an 
old iPhone, before erasing the iPhone, one is also advised to sign out of 
iCloud, and I was wondering why since erasing the phone signs one out of 
iCloud, anyway?

Second, in regards to turning off the iPhones without the home button, I know 
Apple talks about holding in one of the volume buttons and the side button for 
a few seconds. But being afraid of calling 911 by mistake, I've always pressed 
the volume up button and released it, pressed the volume down button and 
released it, then pressed the side button and released it and I have gotten the 
dialog to shut down the phone. I know Apple gives these instructions for force 
restarting the phone, but one needs to hold down the side button quite a bit 
longer for this. Anyway, by turning the phone off the way I am, what am I 
doing, and does it harm the phone in any way?

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Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Vicky Collins]

Oh, grin, I'm hoping there's no problem with my iPhone 12 Mini. But well, 
although I really do want that phone and plan to keep it, I wound up getting 
two other iPhones that I wasn't expecting as I had planned them for family 
members, thus I just haven't gotten around to unpacking the 12 Mini yet.

- Original Message -
From: Alan Lemly  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 21, 2021 11:49 pm
Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

>
>
> Hi Vicky,
> 
> I also get a power off button at the top of the screen when pressing and 
> releasing volume up, pressing and releasing volume down, then holding down 
> the side power button for a couple of seconds. Only power off and cancel are 
> on the screen with this method. If the side power button is held down for 
> several seconds with this method, the phone does a hard reset. This is on my 
> iPhone 13 Mini.
> 
> I'm curious why your iPhone 12 Mini is in a drawer. You really didn't explain 
> what the problem is with it. I love my 13 Mini.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
> Collins
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 10:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone
> 
> First, your description of the screen after pressing the volume down and side 
> button was great, and thanks so much for it. I actually will use that method 
> for turning off the phone from now on. But second, although I won't use it 
> anymore, when checking again just now, I sure did get a power off screen 
> where I could either power off or cancel if I pressed the volume up button 
> and released it, pressed the volume down button and released it, and then 
> pressed the side button for a second or two and released it. Sometimes it 
> even said power off before I could release the button so I knew that screen 
> had come up. However, if when following the above procedure I held down the 
> side button for about ten seconds and then released it, the phone did indeed 
> restart.
> Oh, this is on my XR running iOS 15.1. I had originally purchased this phone 
> used off one of the blindness buy and sell lists and was planning to give it 
> to a family member but just kept it when that particular person had already 
> purchased an iPhone SE 2020 on their own. Thus since I now have this phone 
> and a couple of older ones I'm using to see how long it will take for their 
> batteries to run down, my poor 12 Mini is still in the drawer where I put it 
> in its box when I ordered it on the first day Apple started taking orders for 
> it. My first generation iPhone SE now shows its maximum capacity at 57 
> percent but still supporting normal peak performance. And while the battery 
> might last a few hours on standby, things like web surfing or TV watching 
> will often, but not always, cause the battery to run down within an hour, and 
> it never lasts more than two hours doing those kinds of things. In fact, the 
> battery for that phone is pretty much completely unpredictable as to just how 
> long it will last, sometimes showing 100 percent after charging overnight and 
> then going down to zero and just shutting off if I perform an action such as 
> going a couple of layers into the settings.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel  
> To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
> Date: Sunday, November 21, 2021 2:10 pm
> Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone
> 
> >
> >
> > When you do what you describe you are not actually turning off the phone, 
> > you are restarting it.
> > If you want to turn it off and you don't want to use the buttons, you can 
> > go to Settings > General > Shutdown and double tap.
> > This also brings up the same menu as holding down say Volume Down and thew 
> > Side button, focus is most likely on Power Off, but just make sure of it 
> > because as I said, it's the same menu and it also includes the emergency 
> > call buton.
> > Anyways, if you simultaneously press and  hold volume down and the side 
> > button until the menu comes up, the only way you call emergency services 
> > would be if focus is on that button and you double tap without tchecking.
> > I always swipe left until I get to the Power Off button and if it seems I 
> > am on Power Off already I may even swipe right once and back to the left to 
> > make sure. The screen when this menu comes up is laid out as follows:
> > 
> > At the very top you still have the status bar with the time, your cell 
> > signal, Wi-Fi and battery status on the right Just underneath that

RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Vicky,

I also get a power off button at the top of the screen when pressing and 
releasing volume up, pressing and releasing volume down, then holding down the 
side power button for a couple of seconds. Only power off and cancel are on the 
screen with this method. If the side power button is held down for several 
seconds with this method, the phone does a hard reset. This is on my iPhone 13 
Mini.

I'm curious why your iPhone 12 Mini is in a drawer. You really didn't explain 
what the problem is with it. I love my 13 Mini.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
Collins
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 10:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

First, your description of the screen after pressing the volume down and side 
button was great, and thanks so much for it. I actually will use that method 
for turning off the phone from now on. But second, although I won't use it 
anymore, when checking again just now, I sure did get a power off screen where 
I could either power off or cancel if I pressed the volume up button and 
released it, pressed the volume down button and released it, and then pressed 
the side button for a second or two and released it. Sometimes it even said 
power off before I could release the button so I knew that screen had come up. 
However, if when following the above procedure I held down the side button for 
about ten seconds and then released it, the phone did indeed restart.
Oh, this is on my XR running iOS 15.1. I had originally purchased this phone 
used off one of the blindness buy and sell lists and was planning to give it to 
a family member but just kept it when that particular person had already 
purchased an iPhone SE 2020 on their own. Thus since I now have this phone and 
a couple of older ones I'm using to see how long it will take for their 
batteries to run down, my poor 12 Mini is still in the drawer where I put it in 
its box when I ordered it on the first day Apple started taking orders for it. 
My first generation iPhone SE now shows its maximum capacity at 57 percent but 
still supporting normal peak performance. And while the battery might last a 
few hours on standby, things like web surfing or TV watching will often, but 
not always, cause the battery to run down within an hour, and it never lasts 
more than two hours doing those kinds of things. In fact, the battery for that 
phone is pretty much completely unpredictable as to just how long it will last, 
sometimes showing 100 percent after charging overnight and then going down to 
zero and just shutting off if I perform an action such as going a couple of 
layers into the settings.

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Sunday, November 21, 2021 2:10 pm
Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

>
>
> When you do what you describe you are not actually turning off the phone, you 
> are restarting it.
> If you want to turn it off and you don't want to use the buttons, you can go 
> to Settings > General > Shutdown and double tap.
> This also brings up the same menu as holding down say Volume Down and thew 
> Side button, focus is most likely on Power Off, but just make sure of it 
> because as I said, it's the same menu and it also includes the emergency call 
> buton.
> Anyways, if you simultaneously press and  hold volume down and the side 
> button until the menu comes up, the only way you call emergency services 
> would be if focus is on that button and you double tap without tchecking.
> I always swipe left until I get to the Power Off button and if it seems I am 
> on Power Off already I may even swipe right once and back to the left to make 
> sure. The screen when this menu comes up is laid out as follows:
> 
> At the very top you still have the status bar with the time, your cell 
> signal, Wi-Fi and battery status on the right Just underneath that is where 
> it says "Double Tap to the Power Off" button, for a sighted person it 
> actually says "Slide to Power off" because instead of double tapping they do 
> a left to right swipe.
> After this there is now something I realize I never heard before, it says 
> literally the following "location.fill.radiowaves.left.and.rightiPhone 
> Findable After Power Off  his Forward"
> I tapped on that to see what it would do and the following message pops up on 
> the screen:
> iPhone remains findable after power off.
> Find My helps you located this iPhone when it is lost or stolen even after 
> power off.
> The location is visible in Find My on your other devices and to people in 
> family sharing you share location with.
> You can temporarily turn off Find My network and it will resume when this 
&g

Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Vicky Collins]

First, your description of the screen after pressing the volume down and side 
button was great, and thanks so much for it. I actually will use that method 
for turning off the phone from now on. But second, although I won't use it 
anymore, when checking again just now, I sure did get a power off screen where 
I could either power off or cancel if I pressed the volume up button and 
released it, pressed the volume down button and released it, and then pressed 
the side button for a second or two and released it. Sometimes it even said 
power off before I could release the button so I knew that screen had come up. 
However, if when following the above procedure I held down the side button for 
about ten seconds and then released it, the phone did indeed restart.
Oh, this is on my XR running iOS 15.1. I had originally purchased this phone 
used off one of the blindness buy and sell lists and was planning to give it to 
a family member but just kept it when that particular person had already 
purchased an iPhone SE 2020 on their own. Thus since I now have this phone and 
a couple of older ones I'm using to see how long it will take for their 
batteries to run down, my poor 12 Mini is still in the drawer where I put it in 
its box when I ordered it on the first day Apple started taking orders for it. 
My first generation iPhone SE now shows its maximum capacity at 57 percent but 
still supporting normal peak performance. And while the battery might last a 
few hours on standby, things like web surfing or TV watching will often, but 
not always, cause the battery to run down within an hour, and it never lasts 
more than two hours doing those kinds of things. In fact, the battery for that 
phone is pretty much completely unpredictable as to just how long it will last, 
sometimes showing 100 percent after charging overnight and then going down to 
zero and just shutting off if I perform an action such as going a couple of 
layers into the settings.

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Sunday, November 21, 2021 2:10 pm
Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

>
>
> When you do what you describe you are not actually turning off the phone, you 
> are restarting it.
> If you want to turn it off and you don't want to use the buttons, you can go 
> to Settings > General > Shutdown and double tap.
> This also brings up the same menu as holding down say Volume Down and thew 
> Side button, focus is most likely on Power Off, but just make sure of it 
> because as I said, it's the same menu and it also includes the emergency call 
> buton.
> Anyways, if you simultaneously press and  hold volume down and the side 
> button until the menu comes up, the only way you call emergency services 
> would be if focus is on that button and you double tap without tchecking.
> I always swipe left until I get to the Power Off button and if it seems I am 
> on Power Off already I may even swipe right once and back to the left to make 
> sure. The screen when this menu comes up is laid out as follows:
> 
> At the very top you still have the status bar with the time, your cell 
> signal, Wi-Fi and battery status on the right
> Just underneath that is where it says "Double Tap to the Power Off" button, 
> for a sighted person it actually says "Slide to Power off" because instead of 
> double tapping they do a left to right swipe.
> After this there is now something I realize I never heard before, it says 
> literally the following "location.fill.radiowaves.left.and.rightiPhone 
> Findable After Power Off  his Forward"
> I tapped on that to see what it would do and the following message pops up on 
> the screen:
> iPhone remains findable after power off.
> Find My helps you located this iPhone when it is lost or stolen even after 
> power off.
> The location is visible in Find My on your other devices and to people in 
> family sharing you share location with.
> You can temporarily turn off Find My network and it will resume when this 
> iPhone is powered on again.
> Then there is an OK button.
> What I don't know is whether tapping on this turns off the Find My after 
> power off because the only thing you can do when you see the above message is 
> tap the OK button and this takes you right back to the same Power Off screen, 
> but this weird sounding and not very descriptive button is not read any 
> differently by Voiceover. I will write to Apple Accessibility and ask for 
> clarification regarding this.
> OK, back to the Power Off screen description:
> 
> If you swipe right again you now come to the "Medical Id" button
> Another swipe right takes you to the "Emergency Call" button
> If you explore the screen instead of swiping right you wil

Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Donna Casteen]

Sieghard, the Find My feature that you came across is a feature in which the 
phones last location is sent to Apple & any friends before the phone is powered 
off or before the battery in the phone dies from the neglect to charge the 
phone battery. The setting to turn this feature on/off is in settings, but I 
can't recall if it is in battery, Find My, SOS or possibly even some place else.

Donna
  
> 
> When you do what you describe you are not actually turning off the phone, 
> you are restarting it.
> If you want to turn it off and you don't want to use the buttons, you can go 
> to Settings > General > Shutdown and double tap.
> This also brings up the same menu as holding down say Volume Down and thew 
> Side button, focus is most likely on Power Off, but just make sure of it 
> because as I said, it's the same menu and it also includes the emergency call 
> buton.
> Anyways, if you simultaneously press and  hold volume down and the side 
> button until the menu comes up, the only way you call emergency services 
> would be if focus is on that button and you double tap without tchecking.
> I always swipe left until I get to the Power Off button and if it seems I am 
> on Power Off already I may even swipe right once and back to the left to make 
> sure. The screen when this menu comes up is laid out as follows:
> 
> At the very top you still have the status bar with the time, your cell 
> signal, Wi-Fi and battery status on the right
> Just underneath that is where it says "Double Tap to the Power Off" button, 
> for a sighted person it actually says "Slide to Power off" because instead of 
> double tapping they do a left to right swipe.
> After this there is now something I realize I never heard before, it says 
> literally the following "location.fill.radiowaves.left.and.rightiPhone 
> Findable After Power Off   Forward"
> I tapped on that to see what it would do and the following message pops up on 
> the screen:
> iPhone remains findable after power off.
> Find My helps you located this iPhone when it is lost or stolen even after 
> power off.
> The location is visible in Find My on your other devices and to people in 
> family sharing you share location with.
> You can temporarily turn off Find My network and it will resume when this 
> iPhone is powered on again.
> Then there is an OK button.
> What I don't know is whether tapping on this turns off the Find My after 
> power off because the only thing you can do when you see the above message is 
> tap the OK button and this takes you right back to the same Power Off screen, 
> but this weird sounding and not very descriptive button is not read any 
> differently by Voiceover. I will write to Apple Accessibility and ask for 
> clarification regarding this.
> OK, back to the Power Off screen description:
> 
> If you swipe right again you now come to the "Medical Id" button
> Another swipe right takes you to the "Emergency Call" button
> If you explore the screen instead of swiping right you will find that there 
> is a bit of a gap between the first two buttons and these two which are 
> pretty much right in the middle of the screen.
> 
> Lastly, if you swipe right again from the Emergency Call button, you find a 
> "Cancel" button and as the name implies, if you double tap here it will again 
> close this screen and take you back to wherever you were before.
> That button is again after a gap and it's located near the bottom of the 
> screen.
> All these buttons go right across most of the screen from left to right, i.e. 
> you can touch your screen near the left side and drag your finger down and 
> find them or you can touch the screen near the top on the right side or in 
> the middle.
> 
> You really shouldn't be that afraid, you are much more likely to accidently 
> call emergency services if you press the side button too many times 
> repeatedly, just pressing and holding a volume button and the side button 
> won't do that if you are careful not to double tap afterwards without making 
> sure you are not on the emergency call button.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
> Collins
> Sent: November 21, 2021 6:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone
> 
> First, when reading the instructions for selling or giving away or whatever 
> an old iPhone, before erasing the iPhone, one is also advised to sign out of 
> iCloud, and I was wondering why since erasing the phone signs one out of 
> iCloud, anyway?
> 
> Second, in regards to turning off the iPhones without the home button, I know 
> Apple talks about holding in one of the volume buttons and the side button 
> for a few seconds. But being afraid of calling 911 by mistake, I've always 
> pressed the volume up button and released it, pressed the volume down button 
> and released it, then pressed the side button and released it and I 

RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Vicky,

The vol up / down and power doesn't turn the phone off it just restarts the 
phone for you.

Just use vol down and power at the same time,and flick to the power off,

As for signing ou of iCloud,

Yes you can  I normally do both find my and icloud / apple id at the time I do 
the eraise,

That way I get it all done in one go.


 But I would suggest when turning the phone off at the end,

Turn vo on and then use the power and vol down to find the shutdoewn button on 
the screen 
That way you get it correct rather than ringing your local emergency services.


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Collins
Sent: Monday, 22 November 2021 3:31 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

First, when reading the instructions for selling or giving away or whatever an 
old iPhone, before erasing the iPhone, one is also advised to sign out of 
iCloud, and I was wondering why since erasing the phone signs one out of 
iCloud, anyway?

Second, in regards to turning off the iPhones without the home button, I know 
Apple talks about holding in one of the volume buttons and the side button for 
a few seconds. But being afraid of calling 911 by mistake, I've always pressed 
the volume up button and released it, pressed the volume down button and 
released it, then pressed the side button and released it and I have gotten the 
dialog to shut down the phone. I know Apple gives these instructions for force 
restarting the phone, but one needs to hold down the side button quite a bit 
longer for this. Anyway, by turning the phone off the way I am, what am I 
doing, and does it harm the phone in any way?

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RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Alan Lemly]

My only comment is that Apple should rethink it’s claim to being the most 
secure of the smart phones if completely erasing an iPhone through the reset 
process enables someone acquiring that phone to get into the prior owner’s 
iCloud account. And I’m not sure finding references to old iPhones in your same 
account under the same Apple ID is what’s being discussed here.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

 

Alan,

 

I don't entirely agree here, I sometimes have found references to old iPhones 
of mine which I fully erased and sold in my Apple account where I had to remove 
them manually and I wonder if maybe signing out of iCloud is a way to prevent 
this from happening.

 

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Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

 

Hi Vicky, 

 

If you've completely erased your phone as part of the reset process in 
preparation of selling it, their is no need to also sign out of iCloud. After a 
complete reset, the phone will be like a new device. 

 

You can get to the power off button on the screen by holding down either the 
volume up or volume down buttons simultaneously with the side power button. 
When you do, a new screen appears with power off at the top, followed by 
Medical ID, Emergency SOS, and Cancel. If you test this, you will have to enter 
your passcode if you cancel out of it. 

 

Alan Lemly 

 

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First, when reading the instructions for selling or giving away or whatever an 
old iPhone, before erasing the iPhone, one is also advised to sign out of 
iCloud, and I was wondering why since erasing the phone signs one out of 
iCloud, anyway?

Second, in regards to turning off the iPhones without the home button, I know 
Apple talks about holding in one of the volume buttons and the side button for 
a few seconds. But being afraid of calling 911 by mistake, I've always pressed 
the volume up button and released it, pressed the volume down button and 
released it, then pressed the side button and released it and I have gotten the 
dialog to shut down the phone. I know Apple gives these instructions for force 
restarting the phone, but one needs to hold down the side button quite a bit 
longer for this. Anyway, by turning the phone off the way I am, what am I 
doing, and does it harm the phone in any way?

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RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Alan,

I don't entirely agree here, I sometimes have found references to old iPhones 
of mine which I fully erased and sold in my Apple account where I had to remove 
them manually and I wonder if maybe signing out of iCloud is a way to prevent 
this from happening.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: November 21, 2021 7:28 AM
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Subject: Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

Hi Vicky,

If you've completely erased your phone as part of the reset process in 
preparation of selling it, their is no need to also sign out of iCloud. After a 
complete reset, the phone will be like a new device.

You can get to the power off button on the screen by holding down either the 
volume up or volume down buttons simultaneously with the side power button. 
When you do, a new screen appears with power off at the top, followed by 
Medical ID, Emergency SOS, and Cancel. If you test this, you will have to enter 
your passcode if you cancel out of it.

Alan Lemly

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

First, when reading the instructions for selling or giving away or whatever an 
old iPhone, before erasing the iPhone, one is also advised to sign out of 
iCloud, and I was wondering why since erasing the phone signs one out of 
iCloud, anyway?

Second, in regards to turning off the iPhones without the home button, I know 
Apple talks about holding in one of the volume buttons and the side button for 
a few seconds. But being afraid of calling 911 by mistake, I've always pressed 
the volume up button and released it, pressed the volume down button and 
released it, then pressed the side button and released it and I have gotten the 
dialog to shut down the phone. I know Apple gives these instructions for force 
restarting the phone, but one needs to hold down the side button quite a bit 
longer for this. Anyway, by turning the phone off the way I am, what am I 
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RE: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

When you do what you describe you are not actually turning off the phone, you 
are restarting it.
If you want to turn it off and you don't want to use the buttons, you can go to 
Settings > General > Shutdown and double tap.
This also brings up the same menu as holding down say Volume Down and thew Side 
button, focus is most likely on Power Off, but just make sure of it because as 
I said, it's the same menu and it also includes the emergency call buton.
Anyways, if you simultaneously press and  hold volume down and the side button 
until the menu comes up, the only way you call emergency services would be if 
focus is on that button and you double tap without tchecking.
I always swipe left until I get to the Power Off button and if it seems I am on 
Power Off already I may even swipe right once and back to the left to make 
sure. The screen when this menu comes up is laid out as follows:

At the very top you still have the status bar with the time, your cell signal, 
Wi-Fi and battery status on the right
Just underneath that is where it says "Double Tap to the Power Off" button, for 
a sighted person it actually says "Slide to Power off" because instead of 
double tapping they do a left to right swipe.
After this there is now something I realize I never heard before, it says 
literally the following "location.fill.radiowaves.left.and.rightiPhone 
Findable After Power Off   Forward"
I tapped on that to see what it would do and the following message pops up on 
the screen:
iPhone remains findable after power off.
Find My helps you located this iPhone when it is lost or stolen even after 
power off.
The location is visible in Find My on your other devices and to people in 
family sharing you share location with.
You can temporarily turn off Find My network and it will resume when this 
iPhone is powered on again.
Then there is an OK button.
What I don't know is whether tapping on this turns off the Find My after power 
off because the only thing you can do when you see the above message is tap the 
OK button and this takes you right back to the same Power Off screen, but this 
weird sounding and not very descriptive button is not read any differently by 
Voiceover. I will write to Apple Accessibility and ask for clarification 
regarding this.
OK, back to the Power Off screen description:

If you swipe right again you now come to the "Medical Id" button
Another swipe right takes you to the "Emergency Call" button
If you explore the screen instead of swiping right you will find that there is 
a bit of a gap between the first two buttons and these two which are pretty 
much right in the middle of the screen.

Lastly, if you swipe right again from the Emergency Call button, you find a 
"Cancel" button and as the name implies, if you double tap here it will again 
close this screen and take you back to wherever you were before.
That button is again after a gap and it's located near the bottom of the screen.
All these buttons go right across most of the screen from left to right, i.e. 
you can touch your screen near the left side and drag your finger down and find 
them or you can touch the screen near the top on the right side or in the 
middle.

You really shouldn't be that afraid, you are much more likely to accidently 
call emergency services if you press the side button too many times repeatedly, 
just pressing and holding a volume button and the side button won't do that if 
you are careful not to double tap afterwards without making sure you are not on 
the emergency call button.


Best regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
Collins
Sent: November 21, 2021 6:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

First, when reading the instructions for selling or giving away or whatever an 
old iPhone, before erasing the iPhone, one is also advised to sign out of 
iCloud, and I was wondering why since erasing the phone signs one out of 
iCloud, anyway?

Second, in regards to turning off the iPhones without the home button, I know 
Apple talks about holding in one of the volume buttons and the side button for 
a few seconds. But being afraid of calling 911 by mistake, I've always pressed 
the volume up button and released it, pressed the volume down button and 
released it, then pressed the side button and released it and I have gotten the 
dialog to shut down the phone. I know Apple gives these instructions for force 
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Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Gerardo Corripio]

I've heard cases of people selling iPhones deleting them, but when the new 
buyer starts them, if the previous owner didn't sign out of their iClouds on 
the phone, it'll assume you want to continue working with the previous owner's 
ID. That's why it's very important to sign out nevertheless, just to be on the 
safe side. Good luck!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 21 nov 2021, a la(s) 9:28 a.m., Alan Lemly  escribió:
> 
> 
> Hi Vicky,
> 
> If you've completely erased your phone as part of the reset process in 
> preparation of selling it, their is no need to also sign out of iCloud. After 
> a complete reset, the phone will be like a new device.
> 
> You can get to the power off button on the screen by holding down either the 
> volume up or volume down buttons simultaneously with the side power button. 
> When you do, a new screen appears with power off at the top, followed by 
> Medical ID, Emergency SOS, and Cancel. If you test this, you will have to 
> enter your passcode if you cancel out of it.
> 
> Alan Lemly 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Vicky 
> Collins 
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 8:31:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone
>  
> First, when reading the instructions for selling or giving away or whatever 
> an old iPhone, before erasing the iPhone, one is also advised to sign out of 
> iCloud, and I was wondering why since erasing the phone signs one out of 
> iCloud, anyway?
> 
> Second, in regards to turning off the iPhones without the home button, I know 
> Apple talks about holding in one of the volume buttons and the side button 
> for a few seconds. But being afraid of calling 911 by mistake, I've always 
> pressed the volume up button and released it, pressed the volume down button 
> and released it, then pressed the side button and released it and I have 
> gotten the dialog to shut down the phone. I know Apple gives these 
> instructions for force restarting the phone, but one needs to hold down the 
> side button quite a bit longer for this. Anyway, by turning the phone off the 
> way I am, what am I doing, and does it harm the phone in any way?
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Re: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Vicky,

If you've completely erased your phone as part of the reset process in 
preparation of selling it, their is no need to also sign out of iCloud. After a 
complete reset, the phone will be like a new device.

You can get to the power off button on the screen by holding down either the 
volume up or volume down buttons simultaneously with the side power button. 
When you do, a new screen appears with power off at the top, followed by 
Medical ID, Emergency SOS, and Cancel. If you test this, you will have to enter 
your passcode if you cancel out of it.

Alan Lemly

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: two questions, signing out of iCloud and turning off iPhone

First, when reading the instructions for selling or giving away or whatever an 
old iPhone, before erasing the iPhone, one is also advised to sign out of 
iCloud, and I was wondering why since erasing the phone signs one out of 
iCloud, anyway?

Second, in regards to turning off the iPhones without the home button, I know 
Apple talks about holding in one of the volume buttons and the side button for 
a few seconds. But being afraid of calling 911 by mistake, I've always pressed 
the volume up button and released it, pressed the volume down button and 
released it, then pressed the side button and released it and I have gotten the 
dialog to shut down the phone. I know Apple gives these instructions for force 
restarting the phone, but one needs to hold down the side button quite a bit 
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