RE: [WISPA] Motorola StarPoint 6000
Johnny, Can you give me more details on what you have. Is this 2 GHz stuff (probably 1800-1900 MHz)? I have a local county here who uses what I think is Starpoint but not sure. They are running out of spare cards and such and might be interested. I think this was used a lot in older public safety networks and other microwave projects like utility companies. It was mostly for radio networks and remote control. There may be a need on the used 2 way radio market for these items. If you can pull a little more information on what you have, specifically models and cards in the racks it may be of some use for the 2 way shops who maintain older systems and are having a hard time getting spare parts. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message-From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:28 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] Motorola StarPoint 6000I've aquired 24-26 full racks of Motorola Starpoint equipment - Does anyone know of who may be using this. Someone mentioned they are using this equipment in Africa ??Any suggestions are welcome JohnnyO -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik MUM - whose going?
It would be better if you could get him to do the presentation with a beer in his hand after he worked all day in the hot sun hanging radios in hurricane ravaged conditions. Then you'll get the real skinny on what you should be doing:-) And I'll bet you hear him say "and I'm gonna tell you somethin" at least once. Seriously his discussion will be a good one on this, for those of us that went down there it was a life altering experience. We all learned a lot and we learned that there still is good in our fellow man. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message-From: Carl A Jeptha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:41 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik MUM - whose going? That explains everything? :-D You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca office 905 349-2084 Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900 skype cajeptha Mac Dearman wrote: I forgot to mention that I will be giving a 30 minute presentation on the Katrina relief efforts that 5th at 1:30 - - - - - you better bring your pillow :-) Mac DearmanMaximum Access, LLC.Authorized Barracuda ResellerMikroTik RouterOS Certifiedwww.inetsouth.comwww.mac-tel.uswww.RadioResponse.org (Katrina Relief)Rayville, La.318.728.8600 318.303.4227318.303.4229 - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik MUM - whose going? oh jeez - there goes the neighborhood - Someone call ahead to the Texas Rangers to let them know ! JohnnyOOn Wed, 2006-03-01 at 12:04 -0500, Carl A Jeptha wrote: If none of your other deserving Katrina assistants wants one I'll take one. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca office 905 349-2084 Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900 skype cajeptha Mac Dearman wrote: Mikrotik is holding their first ever U.S. MUM (MikroTik Users Meeting) in Dallas, TX, May 4-5th, 2006. There will also be a training class scheduled for the three days prior to MUM. I have a few free passes due to Katrina work - - any takers? More info here: http://mum.mikrotik.com/ Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us www.RadioResponse.org (Katrina Relief) Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 - Original Message - From: "Mark Koskenmaki" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Marketing of Unlicensed Wireless Services --SomeObservations Quote: " IT'S OBVIOUSLY MORE THAN "JUST" TECHNOLOGY... " yes, it is. More to the point, it's about meeting your customer's needs or wants. Not shoving things at them they don't need or want, but genuinely discovering what it is that sparks them to buy in the first place. I desperately need a GOOD VOIP wholesale deal, where I own the customer and do frontline support, it's my own brand (if I brand it) and I merely bulk buy minutes, numbers, and CPE.I can't sell my customers a 400 minute account that costs me 25 bucks a month. They can buy Packet8 for less than most resell deals. I'd rather just bundle a VOIP service in a higher level tier (let's move from 38 / mo to 55 or 60/mo ) of service, but needs to be affordable for me to do. Still, nobody's offering this kind of service, that I can find. Either it is sold as raw products (requiring me to build a whole VOIP system for my customers use) or as higher than retail priced "wholesale" programs. What I really need, then, is someone who does more of the backend stuff (including providing e911) but does so in mass quantity, and doesn't "touch" my customer. I've also found that pc service can be a good side venture, but I'm not convinced that we can actually compete on price with the computer store. If we're busy, it's better value for our time to install and support our own services. Just random thoughts on the topic... North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Charles Wu" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Cc: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:45 PM Subject: [WISPA] Sales Marketing of Unlicensed Wireless Services -- SomeObservations Generally, we end up debating all day and all night on the lists of "
RE: [WISPA] Basic Mesh Theory
Jack, Let me jump in with some more thoughts on wireless mesh: I agree with you that RF engineering and RF limitations are not being fully considered in most mesh deployments. Most mesh designs I have seen are theory based and assume the full use of the unlicensed spectrum at hand. This will never be the case and therefore limits the overall capacity. I saw an RFP from the city of Miami Beach and they had done a pre-survey of the city and found the noise floor at 2.4 GHz at -70 db in most areas. Now how is one going to deploy a mesh network with the ability to overcome that? Typical answer is build more nodes closer to each other so these PDAs and laptops get enough signal. This ignores the fact that all of these close spaced nodes then create more noise for each other because they are mounted at a height where they hear each other. In high density nodes even having 2 hops will bring these networks to their knees. There is not enough spectrum to make it work and be able to load the network up. An 802.11b based system can not deal with the hidden node problem effectively enough. Even if you do have all the internode traffic on other frequencies at the high density placement required in most cities, the spectrum limits are still a big issue to have the channels to link all the nodes. I would still like to hear of a mesh network from any manufacturer that has been deployed and has a high density of users that are the kids of today. I want to see what bit torrent, VOIP and audio streaming do to a mesh in multiple hops. While we can make the argument that those services can be limited, that is only a band-aid approach as today's society is going to expect to be able to use these services in one form or another, it may take a while but it will be necessary. The cellular companies are already creating the expectation for this kids to be able to audio stream on demand. If someone has knowledge of a loaded mesh network please let me know. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of mesh and wish it could work and want to see it work. It's just that I've been in ham radio since 1989 and was in to the packet radio technology, we as hams built networks where we dealt with all of these issues (I know it was only 1200 baud but the problems remain). There are two major problems in mesh from my viewpoint. One, if you have a carrier sense based collision avoidance system, you always have limited capacity because only one radio can talk at a time (part of the HDX problem). Two, if you do not have a carrier sense based system then you can overcome noise with a stronger signal. This causes cell site shrinkage or breathing and changes the coverage area. Most people deal with this by building transmitters closer to each other, problem is that there is limited unlicensed spectrum which is not enough room for most systems to deal with this. I really would like to see mesh work and hope to be proven wrong. There is a lot of promise in mesh implementations out there but until I have seen them under residential internet use loads I remain skeptical. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Jack Unger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Basic Mesh Theory Jeromie, You raise some good points... and here are some more differences between Matt's fully-meshed WIRED network example and the real-world conditions under which WIRELESS mesh networks are so often deployed today. 1) REROUTING - Only a node failure or a high peak traffic load would normally force a routing path change on a fiber/copper network. On a wireless mesh, routing path changes will also result from interference caused by other same-network nodes, interference from other networks, and interference from other wireless non-network sources. Routing path changes will also be caused by the movement of obstructions and other rf-reflective objects such as trees and vehicles. 2. CAPACITY - Fiber/copper networks typically start out with high-capacity (compared to wireless) full-duplex links. Wireless mesh networks start out with low-capacity half-duplex links. 3. CONNECTIVITY - Fiber/copper mesh network nodes have two or more paths to other nodes. Real-world wireless mesh networks may contain nodes that, in some cases (the traditional mesh definition not withstanding) only have a path to one other node. For example, obstructions may block paths to all but one (or even no) other nodes. 4. ENGINEERING - Fiber/copper mesh networks are typically properly engineered for traffic-carrying capacity, QoS, latency, etc. Real-world wireless mesh networks are typically deployed in near-total ignorance of the Layer 1 (wireless layer) conditions. That's the great attraction (IMHO) of muni-mesh networking today. These networks are thrown up in the belief that they don't need any Layer 1 design or engineering
RE: [WISPA] Basic Mesh Theory
As I recall the 60 GHz band has the problem of major attenuation because the oxygen molecules resonate at 60 GHz which means normal free space loss linear calculations have an anomaly at that range (which is why there is so much spectrum for unlicensed use). You make an excellent point about all the other spectrum available. The problem is we also have to look at the business case of these networks on these frequencies. Since you do not have any chipsets being produced in the millions for these bands there will never be an affordable solution here. Unfortunately (or fortunately) the only reason our industry has been one that could remotely be profitable has been because of the consumer devices that have been adapted due to the cost factor. Traditionally microwave radio equipment has been expensive and mostly due to the almost hand made process for each radio since demand is so low. It's the whole job without experience argument... Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Jeromie Reeves [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 3:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Basic Mesh Theory So how much spectum is needed? 24ghz is fairly clean, 60 ~ 70 is very clean. The problem is NOT the lack of spectrum. It is the lack of gear for the spectrum that would do well for mesh. Low range (oh noes low range!) high bandwidth and low noise. The short range will help with self interferance a lot. The 7ghz (yes, seven ghz of band space) is enough for 56 100mhz channels that are non over lapping channels with a 12.5mhz upper/lower gard band, then toss in cross pol. Ive seen some gear for this band but it is to costly right now for what it does. We need a SoC with 2 or 4 radios, 50~100mhz per radiowith a 2nd seup with 2 ~4 radios ad 200~400mhz per radio. Jeromie Jack Unger wrote: Brian, Exactly. You hit the nail on the head. The high noise levels combined with not enough license-free frequency space combined with unrealistically high traffic-handling expectations is going to doom most public Wi-Fi-based municipal networks to extinction while at the same time, polluting the license-free spectrum that a responsible, RF-smart, wireless ISP could have used to deliver reliable service to some subset (limited by the available license-free frequency space) of that city's citizens. Maybe the RF-smart WISPs will decide to reach out to their cities and make a case for working together to improve public wireless broadband access. If WISPs don't work with their city, then the city usually turns to a mesh vendor who will, in most cases, promise more than the technology (for the reasons you pointed out) can deliver. Even worse, large cities are turning to the Earthlinks and Googles of the world, as if the Earthlink or Google name is somehow going to bend physics and make these networks work. A big corporate name, as we all should know by now, does not change the way that RF propagates, or the way that interference and spectrum pollution slows down network performance. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, jack Brian Webster wrote: Jack, Let me jump in with some more thoughts on wireless mesh: I agree with you that RF engineering and RF limitations are not being fully considered in most mesh deployments. Most mesh designs I have seen are theory based and assume the full use of the unlicensed spectrum at hand. This will never be the case and therefore limits the overall capacity. I saw an RFP from the city of Miami Beach and they had done a pre-survey of the city and found the noise floor at 2.4 GHz at -70 db in most areas. Now how is one going to deploy a mesh network with the ability to overcome that? Typical answer is build more nodes closer to each other so these PDAs and laptops get enough signal. This ignores the fact that all of these close spaced nodes then create more noise for each other because they are mounted at a height where they hear each other. In high density nodes even having 2 hops will bring these networks to their knees. There is not enough spectrum to make it work and be able to load the network up. An 802.11b based system can not deal with the hidden node problem effectively enough. Even if you do have all the internode traffic on other frequencies at the high density placement required in most cities, the spectrum limits are still a big issue to have the channels to link all the nodes. I would still like to hear of a mesh network from any manufacturer that has been deployed and has a high density of users that are the kids of today. I want to see what bit torrent, VOIP and audio streaming do to a mesh in multiple hops. While we can make the argument that those services can be limited, that is only a band-aid approach as today's society is going to expect to be able to use
RE: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment
Quoting Tom: What often happens, is technical people make these beautiful products from a technical point of view, but they are worthless because they don't solve the problems that need to be solved for its applications, which were the reasons for originally developing the technology. Man have you hot the nail on the head! Motorola is a company that gets caught in this all the time. I can't tell you how many times over the years I went to product introduction seminars as a 2 way radio dealer and the lead engineer would be touting all the cool wiz bang features of the new radio. It would always happen where a dealer would stand up and ask does the radio still do XYZ? They would get a glassy eyed stare and say no, that is old technology and we did not include it in this model The follow up statement from the dealer would be do you realize that 80% of our customer base still uses this technology, what do we tell them? and the engineer would say They will need to upgrade to the new technology. My take on this was that they spent so much time patting themselves on the back in the lab with their new toys that they never researched what the customer wanted and needed to solve their communication problem. Typical Motorola attitude, they will tell the customer what they need or what they will be getting...They still have not learned this lesson...which is too bad because they do have the ability to make great products and great radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Photo Cell power
I think DefactoWireless has some, thought I saw something like that when I looked at their site a while back. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com Free World Dialup #481416 -Original Message- From: chris cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Photo Cell power Does anyone know where I can lay my hands on some street light photocell to POE power adapters? Thanks, Chris Cooper Intelliwave -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)
Cliff, Are you sure the first 140' was RG6? I think that is 75 ohm cable so that may be a problem, if it was something else it still might have too much loss at 5.8 GHz to get any signal to the SA. You may be on to something with the adapters, if they were just using good quality N-Type for all the connections it should not be a big deal, but if they were going from an N to BNC or PL259 or any other type of connector not rated for 5.8 GHz that could introduce big losses. I would have them inquire about the calibration (and date) of the SA and it's rated sensitivity for 5.8 GHz. Operator skill might come in to play, if they had too much attenuation switched in to the SA at the time of the readings it could give the results you state. As far as seeing your PTP signal, depending on how well you were doing the swing test and/or the alignment of any nulls on the pattern it is possible that your link signal would be low enough not to be detected with any of the above situations. If your link has high gain antennas on both ends the beam width of your signal could be narrow enough that it might not pass as close to this tower as you would assume, the best way to check that is to draw a line on the map between your sites and see if it really does cross this site in the main beam. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Cliff Leboeuf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!) We proposed a spectrum analysis for a client. This analysis was to be performed with a hand-held spectrum analyzer at the height that the equipment was to be mounted. Our offer was rejected. However, we were asked to provide the climber for the other party's analysis. Their analysis was performed as follows: 1. Using a 'nice' spectrum analyzer a. the analyzer remained in their truck b. the antenna from a 5.8Ghz Redline system was hauled about 140' c. the original RF cable used was RG6 for 140'(duh?) d. the next 140' of RF cable used was LMR400 e. we know that we shoot directly through one of the sites surveyed with 5.8Ghz P2P link, and have 5.8 P2Mp links at two other locations surveyed f. all analysis showed no RF interference (go figure!) I'm not an RF engineer, so would someone help me to explain why there was no 5.8Ghz interference shown at these locations even though I know there to be other 5.8Ghz equipment hitting the towers tested. What is the RF cable loss at 140' of using LMR400 as described above? Also factor in about 4 connectors to adapt the RF cable from the analyzer to the antenna. Is this a valid analysis, or am I wrong to comment to this customer that I feel this analysis if flawed? Ammunition that anyone is willing to supply would be appreciated as well as advice for me to keep my mouth shut. :) - Cliff -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Good news and bad news today
Well, it does not surprise me that the government has decided to tax the unlicensed spectrum. Today the Bush administration announced a plan to tax Wi-Fi and other unlicensed spectrum. It is not clear how they will do it yet but the process is in motion. That's the bad news, the good news is they reached agreement on the 5.4 GHz spectrum and that should become available once equipment gets certified. Check the RCR news site for the full stories. Oh well, I suspected that it would not last forever the truly free use of the spectrum. http://www.rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=25545 http://www.rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=25539 Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com Free World Dialup #481416 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] contact info for Patrick Leary
Anyone have Patrick's contact info. I need to talk with him ASAP. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com Free World Dialup #481416 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations
Scriv, I used to conduct advanced FAA studies when I worked for a large tower company. You can use the TOWAIR system on the FCC WTB website to get a rough idea of the requirements near an airport but to get maximum heights there are many factors mainly dealing with invisible surfaces that relate to instrument approach procedures. They can get very complicated. Towair can also give you false positive indications that you would need to light a tower. This is mainly due to the fact that TOWAIR calculates the distance to the airport reference point rather than the closest point to the actual ends of the runway. While this is no big deal in most cases, it can be if you are located close to the field. As a tower company we used to figure out the best possible locations and heights using some great software from www.airspaceusa.com. While the software is expensive for the casual user, the owner Clyde Pitman can run studies for you. He is a retired FAA air traffic controller and very knowledgeable on the subject. If anyone needs to locate a tower near an airport feel free to get in touch with me and I'll let you know all the tricks to get the maximum heights. Simple things like level of survey certification can gain you up to 50 feet in additional height allowed by the FAA. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations There are FAA guidelines about structures under 200 feet near airports but I have not searched for those guidelines. If you Google it and find anything of interest please feel free to pass along to the rest of us here. I remember something about allowing so many feet above AGL (Average Ground Level) for every mile from a runway. Scriv - Original Message - *From:* JNA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:57 AM *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations Did anyone ever respond on this? I am interested as well. Thanks, John -- -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:44 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations Beside’s local regulations does the FAA/FCC have requirements on the distance your tower is from the roads if it falls. I had someone tell me today that a couple years ago they made a law that if you had a 100’ tower it needed to be 150’ away from the road. And they said that older towers would be grandfathered in. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Local Media Coverage for Katrina GIS Response Vehicle
Hi Folks, Happy New Year. For those who had the chance to help out during the Katrina response and met Anthony Veltri with his mobile GIS lab, here is a local TV report on his van and the response http://www.turnto10.com/news/5695464/detail.html, you need to allow pop ups to view the video. He has also published a book with all of his photos from his trip. Most of the photos are the same ones from his blog of the adventure. Thank You, Brian Webster -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] BPL Announcement in Texas
Now also remember all the hams who are really pissed off with a lot of the BPL technology. It sends noise all over the shortwave bands. The FCC has turned a blind eye to this with the current administration and the desire to push broadband to the masses. I expect that hams will start to exercise their rights to 1000 watts of power which will blow any BPL based on those systems off the air, then the police will get involved in federal matters because some whiner in the neighborhood will blame the ham who is legally licensed to use the frequencies, is messing with their internet. Being that this is in the shortwave bands it also has international treaty implications as far as interference. Yes Tom I agree with you it is a risky business, Motorola and their Canopy BPL hybrid seems to have avoided all of these pitfalls, I guess it helps when a lot of your engineering staff are licensed hams. The BPL story will get ugly before it becomes successful, if any of your are interested, pop over to the ARRL site www.arrl.org and see what the hams are doing to fight this technology. Hams are not against broadband but they are against being interfered with when they have licensed spectrum being polluted by unlicensed gear. The unfortunate problem is the old adage of the benefit to the masses, hams are outnumbered by internet users (and powerful utility company money). Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] BPL Announcement in Texas And maybe, the temporary FCC experimental license which temporarilly has allowed BPL today, will be allowed to continue to exist? Or not? Still a risky investment, until BPL has been given a perminiate license to exist. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] BPL Announcement in Texas Posted from the Monday edition of www.dallasnews.xom, see links below and at end of story--Tom, WW5L http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-txu_19bus.ART.Sta te.Edition3.bf6a1c.html TXU grid to carry Internet service New partner to offer broadband connection using power lines 08:10 AM CST on Monday, December 19, 2005 By TERRY MAXON / The Dallas Morning News A couple million Texans may soon be able to get their Internet broadband service by plugging into their electrical outlets. A Maryland company is teaming up with TXU Electric Delivery to offer North Texas consumers Internet broadband service over TXU's electric lines. In a deal to be announced today, TXU will pay about $150 million over 10 years for an ownership stake in Current Communications Group Inc., which will turn TXU's transmission system into a smart electricity grid. In turn, Current plans to offer broadband service over TXU's lines. Current Communications uses broadband over power lines, or BPL technology, to hook up customers to the Internet using the electrical outlets in homes. BPL has been touted as a cheaper, more efficient way to get broadband service to customers who aren't easily reached with cable companies' service or DSL service from telephone companies, or wireless service from a cellular phone company or wireless broadband company. However, BPL also competes head-to-head with established broadband providers, as Current is doing in Cincinnati, where it partners with electricity provider Cinergy Corp. As it plans for TXU, Current is building a network atop Cinergy's system to help Cinergy keep track of its power grid. TXU and Current will begin designing the network that will overlay TXU's electric distribution system. Construction is expected to begin in the first half of 2006, with the first BPL service for consumers not expected before the second half of the year. Current Communications' BPL network will cover about 2 million homes and businesses in the Dallas-Fort Worth area and other Texas cities, traversing the majority of TXU Electric Delivery's service area, the companies said. TXU Energy, Reliant and other retailers obtain power over TXU Electric Delivery's grid. With the consumer application not coming until later, TXU and Current officials touted the smart-grid functions, which will allow TXU to monitor its widespread system. TXU Electric Delivery, a part of TXU Corp. and formerly called Oncor, operates more than 14,000 miles of transmission lines and 100,000 miles of distribution lines taking electricity to 3 million customers. Current's BPL solution is a critical enabler of our mission to dramatically improve the way we deliver electricity, TXU Electric Delivery chairman and chief executive Tom Baker said. BPL will enable us to respond more quickly and efficiently to outages of all magnitudes, manage our distribution network more proactively and further
[WISPA] FW: wireless service Southwest Michigan, Allegan County
I just received this email from a guy looking for service in this area. He is located in the Southwest corner of Allegan county Michigan. I didn't know of anyone off the top of my head so here it is. I replied to him and said I would send his request to the lists. Contact him direct. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 1:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: wireless Hi, I live in a rural area in Michigan and have a question about wireless. I am trying to determine if there is anyone in my area that has a tower close enough for me to receive wireless internet. I do not know where to begin. I found one company in our area but they are not close enough and they use antenna equipment (i2kwireless.com). I do have Alltel cell phones and they do work most of the time(occasional dropped calls)-which may be rectified with a booster. With your resources could you please give me a direction to go to find a tower/service provider in my area? My address is 1190 62nd Fennville, MI 49408. Thank you. Bob Buckius 616-283-4298 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments
Tom, Excellent point about the whole process of getting a customer. Could this be done in a project management tool? You could assign each customer as a project, set up gant charts for the start to finish process and track each customer as a separate project. I'm just thinking off the cuff about this. As you mentioned the whole process it reminds me more of a project tracking than a customer sales lead tracking. I don't know if the software packages would be able to set the customer data up properly as you would in a contact list though. There are open source Linux packages available to do this as well as things like Microsoft Project. Seems like it might be easier to adapt one of these than to make something from scratch since most of the WISP's are hard put for time as it is. Anyway, it's just a thought. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments These all look cool for Open source of doing what Goldmine or Outlook already do, jsut with a few more features. But the problem with these is they are not industry specific and are really individual centered. Managing installtion and sales leads in the WISP industry is much different. Each sales lead is a project in itself. (close deal, do pre-qual survey, do site cisit survey, get antenna approval from landlord, start install, progress on install, order product for install, etc). All leads should come to a central queue for all to view and follow up on, and then able to be assigned, but still viewed globally. But onced assigned, it should not be bulked in with tasks that are truly personal that shouldn't be viewed from others. I believe there are more categories than jsut task, appointment, project, etc. In addition should add, tech support request, installation schedule, onsite service schedule, without combining them to the generic categories of tasks and appointments. Where as a true sales appointment would ahve different tracking and scheduling needs than an installtion appointment, etc. Thats the problem with these generic type of systems. I'd like to see something customized specifically for the processes of a WISP. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments danlist wrote: SugarCRM is good, so is vtiger crm which is based on the sugar crm code Dan SugarCRM is the basis for SalesForce.com. SugarCRM can be purchased in a hosted per user fashion that you can access anywhere. Outlook/PDA works. Mozilla has a calendar function. (Project Sunbird as a stand-alone). There is a lot of groupware / collaboration ware, but as a one-man XP shop, I have a wild idea. Use a Virtual Assitant (www.assistu.com). A VA can take/make your appointments (log them on Yahoo calendar), take your calls, do your books, etc. Better than hiring a full-time person. Drop me a note if you want more info. Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com ISP Expo in Tampa, Dec. 9 10 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.1/169 - Release Date: 11/15/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments
Bob, Make sure you get the free intelisync download from Yahoo, it allows you to sync everything with your desktop Outlook with a press of the button. I like this feature as it seems much easier to input items on the calendar and contact list in outlook rather than the web interface on Yahoo. It's also a great way to keep a full backup of your contacts off site. Yahoo even sends out email reminders of any appointments. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Bob Moldashel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments Thank you Matt Larsen. I just added that to my portfolio of helpful items.. -B- Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Reliable Internet, LLC wrote: How do ya'll do it? I used to remember everything, but I am forgetting things lately. Maybe it's old age (i did just turn 22) or maybe the work volume has increased past my memory's capacity. Either way I need a solution. Do I go with a program on the laptop? Or some kind of handheld device. I don't currently own a handheld, and would be willing to purchase. What seems to be most efficient for you all? Brian Yahoo Calendar. It will also sync up with Outlook so you can share the calendar. We are sharing our calendar with all employees and our primary installers. Not the cleanest, but it works well. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] New Tower Installation - Check out these towers!
Here is the price list http://www.isotruss.com/met-towers.asp Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com Free World Dialup #481416 -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 12:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Tower Installation - Check out these towers! Just came across these. They look pretty neat. http://www.isotruss.com/wifi-towers.htm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14765077 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8672279?hilite=isotruss If I get a chance I am going to see what a 90 footer costs. If anyone else calls before I do, post it here so we can all see the price on these bad boys. Brian Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Hello all, I'm getting ready to put up my first tower (finally found a place where there weren't any existing towers available) and would like to get some comments from others about whether I am doing the right things. My goal is to mount a 2' PacWireless 5Ghz dish, a 3' PacWireless 5Ghz dish and 13db PacWireless H-pol Omni antenna at the 80 foot level. The tower site used to have a very large radio tower on it, so the base and guy points are all still in place. The base has a single pin in the center, and the guy anchors are 90' out at 120 degree intervals. My intention is to put up a Rohn 45 equivalent tower - 8 sections and a 5' base section for a total of 85' of tower; two sets of guy points - one at 40' and another at 80'. The antennas will mount right above the guy wires. Here are some of the questions that I have: 1) Should I use a flat base or an angled base (single pin) There is already a pin in place from the old tower, but I don't know whether it makes sense to use it or just put a flat base with new anchors in. 2) Does it make sense to put a hinged base at the bottom, assemble the tower and raise it with a winch -- or should I use a gin pole to put it together? 3) I have not ordered my tower pieces yet. New costs look to be about $3200 for 8 10' sections, base, 2 guy brackets, 1000' of guy wire, guy wire ground kit and 6 turnbuckles. Am I missing anything on this list? Does anyone have this sort of thing laying around that they would like to sell? I'm just looking for some recommendations as to whether this is the right price range. Thanks for your assistance guys! Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] satellite imaging company?
George, What area do you need. If this company has to fly the area to get the images that price is good. Are you looking for color or bw, at what resolution and for what purpose. I know of quite a few different sources but it depends on what you are looking for. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com Free World Dialup #481416 -Original Message- From: George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] satellite imaging company? Anyone have experience with buying imagery for your area from a satellite imaging company? I got a quote from one company, but there price at about $48.00 per square kilometers at minimum 192 square kilometers. They don't have current pictures of our area archived. I'm looking for other options and prices. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Earthlink now in the WISP business
Well this is they type of thing I feared, the well funded big guys getting in to the WISP business. Earthlink was awarded the contract with Philly to build out their wi-fi network. They have also been one of the companies submitting a plan to San Francisco. Let's just hope they don't blindly deploy Canopy and clog up all the spectrum. I'm sure these guys won't want to play nice in channel planning especially if they have the municipal blessings. Never a dull moment in this industry http://www.rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=24387 Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.comFree World Dialup#481416 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] One blog documenting things done
Hi Folks, Having just returned last night from the recovery efforts I got a chance to look at Anthony's www.rfi-llc.com web site. He is a world class photographer and was along with us down there. He has a mobile GIS lab and came along to see what he could do to assist. He ran in to his home state SAR (RI) team, they realized what he could do for them and was immediately pulled in to a second job while there. Serving two groups keeps him working night and day.He remains there now (pulled back to Pensacola for now) to further assist. He has a great blog that shows just a small part of the work everyone is doing there http://www.rapid-fire.us/index.php?curr_month=9curr_year=2005showimage=12, he has only scratched the surface with his photos, as Scriv has mentioned it is a life altering experience seeing this. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.comFree World Dialup#481416 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Funding help
Rick, The address is 298 Tower Drive Ponchatoula LA. I'm heading out today, I'll see you down there. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 -Original Message- From: Rick Harnish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:14 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Funding help Mac, I plan on pulling out of Indiana, tomorrow afternoon. Tell me what else I can bring. I have over 100 computer monitors and 30 computers, oh and 10 pallets of pretzels :) Will probably run through Mount Vernon, IL and try to drag Scriv along. I will need directions to where I need to go. I will be heading back on Monday but I'm yours for the weekend. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Funding help Cliff, I appreciate you more than you as these guys are looking to me for their next meal and I will do whatever I can do to keep them in gas and food. This has been a TRUE grass rootd campaign right down to the CAT5 cable. We have all used our own stock of goods and we have gotten no help from anywhere short of a few donations that totaled about $2000.00 . If you send your donation to my paypal account we will have use of those funds now. Then I can make a call and tell the boys not to use my/their credit card to buy the metal (angle iron...etc) with personal money - - - -- - come get my PayPal card. THANKS A MILLION Mac Cliff wrote: Mac, I've donated equipment to JohnnyO's effort. Where to you want me to send $1,000 to for your's? Cliff - Work 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com www.triparish.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] response to Pulver Blog Funding help Carl, I really have a lot to say on this very subject, but I have too many other things going on - - - like path calcs and getting the right gear for the job and about 24 men to pat on the back and a personal hug for each of them everyday as I see them. Make no mistake about it - - - - - - these men are the unsung heroes!! Funding? FUNDING? 3 men from this list is all that have donated and short of that there has been no funding!! Macs Farm fed and watered every night thus far except last night as we are in Ponchatula, Louisiana and 3 nights my brothers and sisters came over and cooked to give Sharon a break as she has washed clothes, cooked, mopped the floors everyday, answered the phones, ran Maximum Access, ran Dixie Lift truck services and then made sure she had what she needed for the next day. Damn, I guess we will all be under a shelter next looking for a meal. I was wondering if there are no funding available to help these fine men and myself? How about some kind of fund raising? We are buying angle iron cinder blocks this morning and all that it takes to build a heavy non penetrating roof mount to place atop of a University Library. This is being built by my team and you wouldnt believe the talents and abilities here. We have a mobile lab and a mobile shop that is amazing. Truthfully - - - - - there has been a divine hand guiding this whole thing and it is more than evident in my eyes. Mac Dearman Carl A Jeptha wrote: My apologies if I upset anybody, but this is what I commented on the above Blog, I am tired of all the bullshit. I am angry that I cannot be there to help these guys with what they are doing, so Mac, Johnny and Company remember there is another side to this - being frustrated because you cannot lift a hand to help. quote Gentlemen and Ladies, May I draw your attention to a group of WISP (Wireless Internet Service Providers) who before an disaster was declared was already delivering communications to shelters. When only 40 people had died from Katrina, they were on the ground and knew the tally would be in the thousands, they knew New Orleans would not be spared. These are the men and women who were on the ground running before FEMA and the President was properly briefed. They were the ones, with donations from other WISP's and related services who started the first communications. Don't be fooled by the BIG GUYS PR Dept. because they were a full week or more behind these WISPS, but we don't have a PR dept. who only sees this as a marketing opportunity. Please visit the site of these wisps - a href=http://www.crisis.wispa.org;http://www.crisis.wispa.org/a and our parent org. a href=http://www.wispa.org.;http://www.wispa.org./a Please note I find it very distressing to see these unsung heroes not been mentioned. These people have been
RE: [WISPA] Need Inputs From Hurricane Relief WISP Teams ForFCCPresentation on Thursday
It might be real tough, just got off the phone with Mac and they have not yet re-established net connectivity at the new base camp. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com Free World Dialup #481416 -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 3:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need Inputs From Hurricane Relief WISP Teams ForFCCPresentation on Thursday Bravo! I agree! This would be BIG impact. Can we get it done this quick? Scriv Brad Larson wrote: Video stream Mac from the field into the FCC meetingBrad -Original Message- From: George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need Inputs From Hurricane Relief WISP Teams ForFCCPresentation on Thursday John Scrivner wrote: I know Matt has been away from home a bunch lately but I think we should send Matt Larsen to this FCC event if he will go. We can take the $500 from Charles as part of the expense and have WISPA cover the rest. I think we need a front line guy to speak at this event. I think we should ask Michael to introduce Matt and yield a bit of his time if the FCC will not grant Matt his own time. This shows unity between industry groups and gives Part-15 and WISPA both an opportunity to show our efforts in helping those in need. Thoughts? Scriv I agree that Matt would do well if he could find someone to talk to. And he would be in the top of the list of people I would want to go to Washington and represent us. However, Marlon, if he has the time, has experience of roaming the halls of the FCC looking for someone to talk to. Maybe Marlon would be a better choice in this instance? WISPA hasn't been formally invited to talk to the FCC people, so the person that goes will need to cold call, which might be difficult to do. I think this is the perfect time to talk to Washington, and make sure or reinforce that it was WISPA quick actions that got phone, broadband, and computers into the hands of the displaced. Mac Dearman and WISPA were First Responders We need to make sure that we get this credit right away. As time passes on, a lot will be forgotten and it will be much harder to get the type of exposure we now deserve. It would also be good to sometime in the future have a special trip to Washington for the member wisps of wispa who were effected and those who volunteered the time and effort to be quick responders. Guys like Mac need to be recognized for their quick actions, especially in light of how slow it took the government to respond. Just my thoughts. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fw: MapInfo Offers Hurricane Disaster Relief Assistance
Title: MapInfo Offers Hurricane Disaster Relief Assistance - 9/7/2005 4:23:37 PM Marlon, Thanks for this info! I have a call in to them to try and get data sets on Telco and utility infrastructure. I will integrate this information, as I get it, in the mapping that I am sending to Mac's group. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 (518) 207-0036Office Please note new number (607) 435-3988 Mobile (208) 692-1898 Fax www.wirelessmapping.comFree World Dialup#481416 -Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:42 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: Rochelle Paulet; Mac Dearman; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WISPA] Fw: MapInfo Offers Hurricane Disaster Relief Assistance Hi All, Thought that this might be of interest to some of you. Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: MapInfo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:23 PM Subject: MapInfo Offers Hurricane Disaster Relief Assistance CONTACT MODIFY UNSUBSCRIBE To forward this email to a colleague, enter their email address below: September 7, 2005 Dear Friends and Colleagues, In light of the tragic devastation of Hurricane Katrina, MapInfo®Corporation would like to volunteer our services where appropriate and where we are able to assist with the rescue and recovery efforts.For those unfamiliar with MapInfo, we provide software, data and services that allow you to map individuals, assets and geographies. In this time of recovery, we can assist with: Creating and posting Internet and/or physical maps of affected locations, utilities, telecommunication infrastructure, etc.Tracking assets, such as equipment andemergency services; andDeveloping maps of relief locations including blood banks, hospitals, kitchens and shelters. If you area current MapInfo licensee, we will waive, where appropriate, license restrictions during the declared disaster period. Whether you're a current customer or not, we would be pleased to produce these maps or provide the software and/or datanecessary to assist in the production of maps. We can post maps to the Internet for your convenience. We are also
RE: [WISPA] Re: [Emergency-Relief] update from La.
God bless you and the crews Mac. Brian -Original Message- From: Mac Dearman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Re: [Emergency-Relief] update from La. Good evening list, I thought I would give you all an update on whats going on here. Jim Patient (ST. Louis, Mo. www.jefcosoho.com.), myself and Steve Milton (Seattle, Wawww.isomedia.com) have connected two more shelters with High speed Internet and VOIP phones as well as PCs that will enable them to fill out their FEMA, RedCross and unemployment applications as well as assist in finding their lost family and friends. I will fill out the form that Bullit has requested of me and would have done that before now, but I just havent had time. We just walked in the door here at my home 20 minutes ago and had the first hot meal in two days. I appreciate anything that any of you have done/will do for anyone in Louisiana, Mississippi or Texas as they to are over burdened with evacuees. I have been overwhelmed with the amount of help that is headed this way. I won't turn down any help until we get these shelters up to speed. It seems that the shelters have heard that we are doing this and they are absolutely popping up out of the wood work. We had a call from 3 shelters in Tallulah, La. this evening with one housing 127 evacuees and had several more whole families on the way. I know that there is a crew coming out of (5)Chicago, a crew from Atlanta(7 men) some folks from Indianapolis, and (5?) from Southern California. When we get these shelters in the surrounding Parishes connected I will have completed scouting out shelters further to the south in need of connectivity and VOIP until we are out of gear or NOLA is opened up and/or Part15 takes the lead and sends us elsewhere. I have staff here in the office (Sharon) that is coordinating our efforts and fielding calls if anyone has any further questions. Please feel free to call. There is plenty to be done and all these men headed this way are really wanting to wade out in the water and get their feet wet. It will put them a little closer to the action and in a good position when the call comes from Part-15. I am glad to have all the help and all the gear to make things a little easier on these folks. Now - - I will fill out that paper work and have another cold brewskie :-) Thanks Men, Mac Dearman www.inetsouth.com 728-8600 Bullit wrote: Paul Please don't take this wrong, but some of the delay in sending out P15 support teams is because I no longer have a handle on how much support MAC Dearman now needs because of all those people taking the inititive to go there on their own. I have asked Mac and others close to him to please complete the P15 form about shelter locations needing assistance. Other than a few comments passing around on different lists, we still do not have a clear picture of what Mac needs and what he has too much of. stumpted grin You guys are sure making it harder for me to get the help deployed. Good luck and I hope you can provide meaning support to those in need. If you need anything, don't hesitate to ask. Michael - Original Message - *From:* Paul Smith mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, September 05, 2005 5:58 PM *Subject:* [Emergency-Relief] Community wireless networking advance team about to leave Chicago Hi everyone, I just wanted to let folks know I'll be hitting the road in a minivan with my colleague Rogers Wilson from Chicago heading for Mac Dearman's farm in northern Louisiana later this evening. We will push through the night and try to arrive sometime tomorrow morning. We'll immediately start giving Mac a hand with his efforts, and I'll be also assessing the situation in the area and helping to receive more CWN volunteers. So if you are a CWN volunteer and are looking for a place to go, Mac's farm is it, and we'll be on the ground there soon. Give me a call on my mobile (773) 934-4607, there may be patchy areas as we're driving where we're out of touch, but then definitely check in again tomorrow after noon. -Paul -- Paul Smith Center for Neighborhood Technology Technology Director, Wireless Community Networks Chicago IL, USA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE
Matt, Is it possible to get a complete address list from them or maybe a lat long list. If you have this from any others such as WilTel then I can start combining this information on to one map. The end result of this will be a web based map application where you can see what is available all in one spot. This map will allow you to zoom and pan any way you need to. It seems like we have some good interest in this idea if we can just start pulling together some real data. These maps like the XO one are good but they don't give me the data I need to create the comprehensive map. If anyone else had similar type data where they are able to get cheap bandwidth share the information. Even if it is just one site you know of it will help populate the map, eventually we can get a nice big picture of the whole country. Once that is known you can start figuring out if it will be possible to serve your networks with wireless backhaul. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE Find the closest POP to you on their map and let me know. I can get the address from XO, so you can do a path analysis and determine if you can do wireless to their roof. Their buildings are generally only 2 stories. -Matt Jory Privett wrote: I have seen the map. My question is exactly where are they and how do I gain access to them? Copper and Fiber are out of the question for me because of ILEC pricing so I would have to have some type of wireless link. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE XO's map is available at their web site. -Matt Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Is there a list so we can all see the locations? Are you able to get principal members of WISPA any deals? Brian Jory Privett wrote: I would be interested in finding out if one of there switches is in my area. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE We have a national wholesale agreement with XO, which among other things can get us very low cost colo and roof rights at their switches. -Matt Anthony Will wrote: In central MN here also. I would be very interested in a project such as this. This is the ONLY way we will truly survive. I am currently working on a way to get into the Metro area to gain access to cheap pipes. Hopefully we will end up in XO's or calpops CO. See how easy it is to get something like this started. I know that I am south of Mike. I also know that two other WISPs are south of me all the way to Iowa. Now if we can get those guys on board anyone in Iowa or Illanios is likely close enough to make this real. NOW from Illanios it really opens up. I am an old friend to an operation on the west side of Chicago connected to Equinix, one of the largest carriers hotels in the nation. Now with all the wisps together we could easily afford an OCx and get some real pricing. And with everyone sharing in the expense we could make this licensed equipment for a rock solid backbone for all of our networks. Anthony Will Ruralnet Inc. www.veryfastinternet.com (please excuse the cheesy site. We are in process of completely reworking a new site.) Mike Bushard Jr wrote: I'm in, Central MN Mike Bushard Jr Reliable Internet Services 1st Rate Computers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE Hi Brian, Well we led a session that started a dialog on this topic. It got quite loud at times. The end result was I am willing to donate time to map out in one location all of the data people send me with locations of POP's, fiber hotels and other inexpensive sources of bandwidth. This could be from any source like fiber (lit or dark) or companies that have bandwidth to sell. If there are WISP's who want to share the backbones they have, we can map them too. I basically just need a list of locations by lat and long or street address. If I can get enough different sources of data I will map it and make it available on line. The idea is that WISP's can see how far away from cheap backhaul they really are and then they can figure out a way to bring it to their location. This could also serve as a way to get regional groups together to build a mutually beneficial backbone. The mapping can have clickable information about each site if that is included in the data sent. If this starts to take off the idea was suggested
RE: [WISPA] PowerNOC Help Needed
Gerry, The PowerNOC guys were at the WINOG show this week. Maybe they were slow in responding due to that, just speculation but I did speak with them there. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message-From: Gerry Hohn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:55 AMTo: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: [WISPA] PowerNOC Help Needed My client is a new WISP here in Western Canada. He has purchased a PowerNOC system to do billing and Bandwidth Management but has been unable to get the PowerNOC working. He's had trouble getting satisfactory support from the vendor. I'd like to hear from PowerNOC users as to their experiences with this product from an implementation, operation and support prospective. I'm reluctant to recommend my client look to another supplier at this point as from what I can gather from the internet, PowerNOC seems to be a popular product and I've seen no negative comments. As my client has limited experience and expertise, I'd be interested if there is a PowerNOC user that would be interested in assisting in getting my clients system up and running. Also, we would appreciate any other comments or recommendations in regards to billing and BMU option. Thanks for your help, GerryGerry HohnTelWest Consulting Services(403) 251-6520 - office(403) 803-8170 - cell(403) 251-0384 - fax[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.telusplanet.net/public/telwest/home.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering
There is a session at WiNOG called WISPBONE and it is going to try an address this topic. We'll keep you posted after the show to see if there is any real interest. The basic idea is to see who wants to play and let their backbone be part of it, then map out all the parties and their links. After that we add all the major fiber players who have serious backhaul POPs that we could get access to. Hopefully this will show a large network nationwide. It may just be a pipe dream but we hope to get people interested in the idea. Who knows, with the right players there may be close to the nationwide link. It sure would be nice to eliminate the RBOCS. I remember back in the early cellular days, the way they were able to finally deliver calls from one market to the other was to link in the neighboring systems, once they did that they magically had a nationwide network. If we map out all the WISP players, we might show close to the same concept. There would have to be many other details hammered out, but if we can show a good start to this network it may give enough people interest to make it a reality. Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering Any thoughts on this? It was talked about at WiNog 1, but not too much since. Are we working on getting connected from sea to shining sea? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 5.8 GHz PtP - weaker RSLs
Since different people saw the same problem in multiple locations I would suspect a propagation problem, probably as a result of solar activity. Looking at this page shows some data http://www.n3kl.org/sun/noaa.html Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 GHz PtP - weaker RSLs We had some Trango weirdness overnight also. We had 3 different links go down at different times overnight but I do not have any specifics of why at this time. Where were you seeing this trouble? Scriv Jeff Mabry wrote: Good Morning, WISPA. We have witnessed a decrease in five (5) TrangoLink10 5.8 GHz PtPs Received Signal Levels overnight. These links are deployed in various geographic locations with an average 12 miles of separation between tower sites. These links have been active for at least a year (some longer). A decrease anywhere from 3 to 8 dB has been recorded in the RSLs with the exception of one (1) link which has had a 7 dB boost in signal. Weather this morning is about the same as yesterday’s weather. Clear and 72 degrees. Did anyone else see lower signals this morning? This is a weird issue to wake up to. Thank you for your support. Jeff Mabry General Manager SlingShot Wireless Communications 618.735.2411 x 144 618.735.2907 (fax) 618.534.6407 (mobile) www.slingshotwireless.com http://www.slingshotwireless.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
