Re: [WISPA] UBNT WDS Bridge mode for transparency
And don't forget you can't use security on the unit other than assigning MAC ID in WDS mode on the UBNT units. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT WDS Bridge mode for transparency AP WDS --> station WDS Heads up, there may be an issue with the # of ARP entries the radios can take. We have a pair of Bullets as a temporary BH and it failed miserably. Then again it was passing 15Mbps + and ~400 MAC addresses. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 4:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UBNT WDS Bridge mode for transparency UBNT says you have to use WDS with Bridge mode if you want transparent packet transport with no funny business. Does that apply to one end being AP and the other being "station" WDS? Or do they both have to be AP? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT WDS Bridge mode for transparency
Correction: You can't use any other security than WEP, if configuring AP-WDS <-> AP-WDS connection. But if you are configuring AP-WDS <-> STA-WDS, then all security options will work just fine. -Edmundas Robert West wrote: > And don't forget you can't use security on the unit other than assigning MAC > ID in WDS mode on the UBNT units. > > Bob- > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jerry Richardson > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:53 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT WDS Bridge mode for transparency > > AP WDS --> station WDS > > Heads up, there may be an issue with the # of ARP entries the radios can > take. We have a pair of Bullets as a temporary BH and it failed miserably. > Then again it was passing 15Mbps + and ~400 MAC addresses. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Greg Ihnen > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 4:46 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] UBNT WDS Bridge mode for transparency > > UBNT says you have to use WDS with Bridge mode if you want transparent > packet transport with no funny business. Does that apply to one end being AP > and the other being "station" WDS? Or do they both have to be AP? > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT WDS Bridge mode for transparency
Jerry, I do believe, that problem with ARP entries was solved in AirOS v5.1.2. Have you tired it? -Edmundas Jerry Richardson wrote: > AP WDS --> station WDS > > Heads up, there may be an issue with the # of ARP entries the radios can > take. We have a pair of Bullets as a temporary BH and it failed miserably. > Then again it was passing 15Mbps + and ~400 MAC addresses. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Greg Ihnen > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 4:46 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] UBNT WDS Bridge mode for transparency > > UBNT says you have to use WDS with Bridge mode if you want transparent packet > transport with no funny business. Does that apply to one end being AP and the > other being "station" WDS? Or do they both have to be AP? > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
That is the purpose of a middle mile BTOP grant... to take you from Ithaca, Syracuse, Binghamton, or Rochester to 60 Hudson St. or 111 8th Ave., New York. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Chuck Bartosch" Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:31 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > But He.net isn't in Syracuse so that doesn't do me a whole lot of good. > They aren't in Binghamton either. Nor are they in Rochester (which is > really too far but is the next closest meet point). > > Chuck > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 11:21 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: > >> He.net will do $1 per Meg with 1 gig minimum commit. >> >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Chuck Bartosch >> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:49:09 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >> I can't use a gig right now. However, to *get* that gig would cost us >> $7000/month for a wavelength on one provider's new network. Suddenly the >> gig that I can't really use isn't cheap at all. The costs for what I *do* >> use would more than double. >> >> Even in the carrier hotels in the bigger cities, bandwidth is not >> available at $1/Mbps. Most quotes, aside from Cogent's end-of-the-year >> special, are for about $8/Mbps (though that'd be for 100 Mbps scale >> purchases, not gig purchases). >> >> Chuck >> >> On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> So having a gig transport to $1/megabit transit doesn't deploy access to >>> needed areas? >>> >>> The middle mile could be built wherever. >>> >>> The best middle mile project we could see is a hybrid of fiber and >>> wireless. >>> Mostly fiber with fiber or microwave down to clients. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Chuck Bartosch" >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:04 PM >>> To: ; "WISPA General List" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> In my experience, (1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of backhaul, it's the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, but it doesn't prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are exceptions to that-but they are going to be very very rare. (2) the prices I'm seeing for the new backhauls from buildouts funded by NTIA are not cheaper than what already exists in an area. Again, I'm sure there are exceptions, but I'm willing to bet they are also rare. As I'm sure you can figure out, I'm not free to disclose which applications I'm familiar with. Chuck On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:17 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: > Citations needed? > > I have seen many many many posts on this list discussing/complaining > about middle mile/back haul issues including access and expense. > > If the vast majority of wisps have access to sufficient back haul at > competive prices then I stand corrected. Do the wisps on this list > feel > that your back haul needs are being adequately met with existing > infestructure? > Maybe someone should setup a poll on a website and let wisps vote? > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: Chuck Bartosch > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:04 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already > have > at least *some* fiber. The cost, and the problem, is in getting last > mile > done, not middle mile done. From my direct experience and observation, > a > lot of the middle mile projects NTIA is funding is really for > redundant > fiber. Where it isn't redundant it isn't really providing > functionality > that would help last mile access in the projects I've looked at. > Worse, > the middle mile projects are NOT being designed intimately with last > mile > providers. They are going to "key community institutions" which (1) > mostly already have fiber connections and (2) really have no impact on > where service is needed for last mile access. > > Chuck > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: > >> This is why I have said that the stimulus dollars need to go to >> middle >> milte build outs. Wireless as a last mile medium is very well >> understood >> and gives best bang for the buck in a lot of scenarios. >> >> Justin Wilson wrote: >>> I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs >>> have >>> T1s and T3s at best. The c
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
But THEY are going to get one, and I doubt you or I will see that change during our lifetime. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Butch Evans Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:42:57 -0500 >On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 13:29 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote: >> If they are giving them some form of subsidy to build these >> networks, then I think we should have access to use it too. > >This is the wrong way to view it, though. I'm not looking to argue the >point, but want to address this in a slightly different way. Let's take >an area called ruralville, us. In Ruralville, there is a population of >1000 citizens who earn an average of $22k/year. If there were no high >speed options in ruralville, would YOU build a network there? I know I >would. Especially if I carried the backhaul in from a larger network. >Would you require someone else to pay for the gear, or could you make >the numbers work for that area? I know I could make the numbers work. > >NOW...the question is: If it is feasible to make it work without a >subsidy, WHY SHOULD ANYONE GET ONE FOR THAT AREA? > >In my mind, it's not about "if they get one, I want one, too". It is >more along the line of "if I don't NEED one, neither do they". > >-- > >* Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >* http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * >* http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * >* http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * > > >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?
They are Leviton and they work fine for our applications, but I'm looking forward to not having to have the pigtails and being able to plug and unplug directly. Cameron > Cool. Those look like Home Depot ethernet jacks you're using to attach to > the pigtails. How are they working out for you? > > Greg > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 5:31 PM, cc...@dot11net.com wrote: > >> Greg, >> >> We build one of these for internal use (posted about it last week), but >> ours is a passive device that needs an external switch. We use it in >> combination with a 493 or 493ah on tower tops. It takes any input >> voltage >> from 18-96 volts and outputs the same input voltage on 9 ports with two >> of >> the ports switchable between the input voltage and 12 V. Why only two >> ports? Well, to make it cheap enough, the voltage convertor we use only >> outputs about 1 amp so running more than 2 devices would probably not >> work. The voltage convertors we use are about $40 each so putting one on >> each jack would make the device pretty expensive. I'm sure we could >> design >> a power supply that would do everything we want, but since we aren't in >> the electronics mfg. business, it would be more costly that it is worth >> to >> us. >> >> With our next run, we will be making the board look a little different >> with two rows of ethernet jacks on the front of the board facing out >> instead of up/down. We find that getting the cables out of the jacks in >> the current config can be a PITA (hence the pigtails in the pics). The >> devices are about $150 in parts as they stand to make in small >> quanitites. >> I posted last week about it because I wanted to see if I could use some >> simple ICs to detect ethernet signal to trip a power relay to make a >> remote power cycle by disabling the ethernet port. Further research >> shows >> this is not possible without a PHY chip. I'll try to post a pic of one >> of >> our tower top boxes, but if it doesn't make it and you want to see it, >> hit >> me offlist. If you think it would be a big seller and you want to make >> an >> investment, I'm sure we could come to an agreement ;). >> >> Cameron >> >>> Does anyone know of or use a POE powered POE splitter/switch combo >>> which >>> could be tower mounted which would allow a single ethernet cable >>> carrying >>> POE (perferrably 48v) up the tower, and then would pass POE >>> (adjustable >>> voltages) to multiple devices and also act as a switch (preferably >>> managed)? I'm thinking of something that would let a person run a >>> single >>> Ethernet up the tower and then connect multiple POE powered devices. It >>> seems like this is something that would be a big hit. Yes, I Googled it >>> first. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link
I'm looking for ideas / recommendations. I've got a Client with 2 buildings about 600 feet apart. Currently using Cat5 locked at 10Mbps - It's been working ok, but we need more speed. Fiber is probably the best bang for the buck, but I was wondering if there was anything wireless out there that I could compete with? They got a price of $3k to pull Fiber between buildings. Anything new / revolutionary / cheap?? -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link
Why not two 5Ghz radios? Ubnt or MT would be <500 and prove 20 megs I'd bet. More if you MIMO or use 40Mhz channels. On 3/17/10, Kosinet Wireless wrote: > I'm looking for ideas / recommendations. I've got a Client with 2 buildings > about 600 feet apart. Currently using Cat5 locked at 10Mbps - It's been > working ok, but we need more speed. Fiber is probably the best bang for the > buck, but I was wondering if there was anything wireless out there that I > could compete with? > > They got a price of $3k to pull Fiber between buildings. > > Anything new / revolutionary / cheap?? > > -Gary- > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link
Nano bridges, rockets. Why not fire up VDSL2+ modems back to back on the existing copper. about $500 and 100mbit. On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Kosinet Wireless wrote: > I'm looking for ideas / recommendations. I've got a Client with 2 buildings > about 600 feet apart. Currently using Cat5 locked at 10Mbps - It's been > working ok, but we need more speed. Fiber is probably the best bang for the > buck, but I was wondering if there was anything wireless out there that I > could compete with? > > They got a price of $3k to pull Fiber between buildings. > > Anything new / revolutionary / cheap?? > > -Gary- > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Sometimes being away from the city means you're closer to the place it's produced, ergo, not more expensive. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Bret Clark Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Sometimes, but with chain stores the saving of groceries in cities helps subsidize the higher shipping cost of groceries in rural areas. Josh Luthman wrote: Just a thought...but does the price of groceries increase when you're farther from an urban area? Obviously the costs are higher (more trucker miles, less productivity) but I wonder if milk isn't another $1 or something. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: This is why I have said that the stimulus dollars need to go to middle milte build outs. Wireless as a last mile medium is very well understood and gives best bang for the buck in a lot of scenarios. Justin Wilson wrote: I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs have T1s and T3s at best. The cost of transport and bandwidth doesn¹t allow them to scale as well as they could if they had fiber or some other high capacity transport. With providers such as Cogent well under $10 a meg in bulk you can afford to up the speed (providing your network can support it) if you have access to such things. I have seen several providers start offering better speeds once they had access to a bigger pipe. I know in my area a T1 is still around $450 a month. Get 4 bonded t1s and you are looking at $300 a meg. If you had access to fiber and your transport + bandwidth cost you say $75 a meg you could afford to up the subscriber speeds. Just my thoughts. Justin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
If I'm being charged $7000/month just to get to Syracuse by this new build out, I can't imagine what they'd charge to go to NYC. Chuck On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > That is the purpose of a middle mile BTOP grant... to take you from Ithaca, > Syracuse, Binghamton, or Rochester to 60 Hudson St. or 111 8th Ave., New > York. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Chuck Bartosch" > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:31 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > >> But He.net isn't in Syracuse so that doesn't do me a whole lot of good. >> They aren't in Binghamton either. Nor are they in Rochester (which is >> really too far but is the next closest meet point). >> >> Chuck >> >> On Mar 16, 2010, at 11:21 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: >> >>> He.net will do $1 per Meg with 1 gig minimum commit. >>> >>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Chuck Bartosch >>> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:49:09 >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>> I can't use a gig right now. However, to *get* that gig would cost us >>> $7000/month for a wavelength on one provider's new network. Suddenly the >>> gig that I can't really use isn't cheap at all. The costs for what I *do* >>> use would more than double. >>> >>> Even in the carrier hotels in the bigger cities, bandwidth is not >>> available at $1/Mbps. Most quotes, aside from Cogent's end-of-the-year >>> special, are for about $8/Mbps (though that'd be for 100 Mbps scale >>> purchases, not gig purchases). >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> So having a gig transport to $1/megabit transit doesn't deploy access to needed areas? The middle mile could be built wherever. The best middle mile project we could see is a hybrid of fiber and wireless. Mostly fiber with fiber or microwave down to clients. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Chuck Bartosch" Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:04 PM To: ; "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > In my experience, > > (1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of backhaul, > it's the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, but > it > doesn't prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are > exceptions to that-but they are going to be very very rare. > > (2) the prices I'm seeing for the new backhauls from buildouts funded > by > NTIA are not cheaper than what already exists in an area. Again, I'm > sure > there are exceptions, but I'm willing to bet they are also rare. > > As I'm sure you can figure out, I'm not free to disclose which > applications I'm familiar with. > > Chuck > > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:17 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: > >> Citations needed? >> >> I have seen many many many posts on this list discussing/complaining >> about middle mile/back haul issues including access and expense. >> >> If the vast majority of wisps have access to sufficient back haul at >> competive prices then I stand corrected. Do the wisps on this list >> feel >> that your back haul needs are being adequately met with existing >> infestructure? >> Maybe someone should setup a poll on a website and let wisps vote? >> >> >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Chuck Bartosch >> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:04 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >> I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already >> have >> at least *some* fiber. The cost, and the problem, is in getting last >> mile >> done, not middle mile done. From my direct experience and observation, >> a >> lot of the middle mile projects NTIA is funding is really for >> redundant >> fiber. Where it isn't redundant it isn't really providing >> functionality >> that would help last mile access in the projects I've looked at. >> Worse, >> the middle mile projects are NOT being designed intimately with last >> mile >> providers. They are going to "key community institutions" which (1) >> mostly already have fiber connections and (2) really have no impact on >> where service is needed for last mile access. >> >> Chuck >> >> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: >> >>> This is
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link
Wireless is nice but since there is already a Cat5 in place I would use a pair of Ethernet extenders. 396.00 for 100M FDX: http://netsys-direct.com/proddetail.php?prod=NV-600EKIT 600 feet is well within the range for full modulation. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kosinet Wireless Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link I'm looking for ideas / recommendations. I've got a Client with 2 buildings about 600 feet apart. Currently using Cat5 locked at 10Mbps - It's been working ok, but we need more speed. Fiber is probably the best bang for the buck, but I was wondering if there was anything wireless out there that I could compete with? They got a price of $3k to pull Fiber between buildings. Anything new / revolutionary / cheap?? -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT WDS Bridge mode for transparency
These were not airMax. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Edmundas Bajorinas Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT WDS Bridge mode for transparency Jerry, I do believe, that problem with ARP entries was solved in AirOS v5.1.2. Have you tired it? -Edmundas Jerry Richardson wrote: > AP WDS --> station WDS > > Heads up, there may be an issue with the # of ARP entries the radios can > take. We have a pair of Bullets as a temporary BH and it failed miserably. > Then again it was passing 15Mbps + and ~400 MAC addresses. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Greg Ihnen > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 4:46 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] UBNT WDS Bridge mode for transparency > > UBNT says you have to use WDS with Bridge mode if you want transparent packet > transport with no funny business. Does that apply to one end being AP and the > other being "station" WDS? Or do they both have to be AP? > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Apparently your area's applicant is a jerk. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Chuck Bartosch" Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:42 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > If I'm being charged $7000/month just to get to Syracuse by this new build > out, I can't imagine what they'd charge to go to NYC. > > Chuck > > On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> That is the purpose of a middle mile BTOP grant... to take you from >> Ithaca, >> Syracuse, Binghamton, or Rochester to 60 Hudson St. or 111 8th Ave., New >> York. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "Chuck Bartosch" >> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:31 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >>> But He.net isn't in Syracuse so that doesn't do me a whole lot of good. >>> They aren't in Binghamton either. Nor are they in Rochester (which is >>> really too far but is the next closest meet point). >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 11:21 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: >>> He.net will do $1 per Meg with 1 gig minimum commit. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck Bartosch Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:49:09 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I can't use a gig right now. However, to *get* that gig would cost us $7000/month for a wavelength on one provider's new network. Suddenly the gig that I can't really use isn't cheap at all. The costs for what I *do* use would more than double. Even in the carrier hotels in the bigger cities, bandwidth is not available at $1/Mbps. Most quotes, aside from Cogent's end-of-the-year special, are for about $8/Mbps (though that'd be for 100 Mbps scale purchases, not gig purchases). Chuck On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > So having a gig transport to $1/megabit transit doesn't deploy access > to > needed areas? > > The middle mile could be built wherever. > > The best middle mile project we could see is a hybrid of fiber and > wireless. > Mostly fiber with fiber or microwave down to clients. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Chuck Bartosch" > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:04 PM > To: ; "WISPA General List" > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > >> In my experience, >> >> (1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of >> backhaul, >> it's the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, >> but >> it >> doesn't prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are >> exceptions to that-but they are going to be very very rare. >> >> (2) the prices I'm seeing for the new backhauls from buildouts funded >> by >> NTIA are not cheaper than what already exists in an area. Again, I'm >> sure >> there are exceptions, but I'm willing to bet they are also rare. >> >> As I'm sure you can figure out, I'm not free to disclose which >> applications I'm familiar with. >> >> Chuck >> >> >> On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:17 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: >> >>> Citations needed? >>> >>> I have seen many many many posts on this list discussing/complaining >>> about middle mile/back haul issues including access and expense. >>> >>> If the vast majority of wisps have access to sufficient back haul at >>> competive prices then I stand corrected. Do the wisps on this list >>> feel >>> that your back haul needs are being adequately met with existing >>> infestructure? >>> Maybe someone should setup a poll on a website and let wisps vote? >>> >>> >>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Chuck Bartosch >>> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:04 >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>> I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already >>> have >>> at least *some* fiber. The cost, and the problem, is in getting last >>> mile >>> done, not middle mile done. From my direct experience and >>> observation, >>> a >>> lot of the middle mile projects NTIA is funding is really for >>> redundant >>> fiber. Where it isn't redundant it isn't really providing >>> functionality >>> that would help last mile access in th
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link
Jerry Richardson wrote: > Wireless is nice but since there is already a Cat5 in place I would use a > pair of Ethernet extenders. > > 396.00 for 100M FDX: http://netsys-direct.com/proddetail.php?prod=NV-600EKIT > > 600 feet is well within the range for full modulation. > > Jerry > Liking that solution and it says POTs copper is good enough. Have to remember that next time we are doing internal wiring in large office building. Bret WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link
yep, or if there is a cat5, use it to "pull" your fiber! Media converters are CHEAP! 10/100s are under 70 bucks, and GigEs are under 200. NEver have an issue again. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link Jerry Richardson wrote: > Wireless is nice but since there is already a Cat5 in place I would use a pair of Ethernet extenders. > > 396.00 for 100M FDX: http://netsys-direct.com/proddetail.php?prod=NV-600EKIT > > 600 feet is well within the range for full modulation. > > Jerry > Liking that solution and it says POTs copper is good enough. Have to remember that next time we are doing internal wiring in large office building. Bret WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link
That might just do the job. I'll check i out. Thanks. - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link > Wireless is nice but since there is already a Cat5 in place I would use a > pair of Ethernet extenders. > > 396.00 for 100M FDX: > http://netsys-direct.com/proddetail.php?prod=NV-600EKIT > > 600 feet is well within the range for full modulation. > > Jerry > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Kosinet Wireless > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:27 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link > > I'm looking for ideas / recommendations. I've got a Client with 2 > buildings about 600 feet apart. Currently using Cat5 locked at 10Mbps - > It's been working ok, but we need more speed. Fiber is probably the best > bang for the buck, but I was wondering if there was anything wireless out > there that I could compete with? > > They got a price of $3k to pull Fiber between buildings. > > Anything new / revolutionary / cheap?? > > -Gary- > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link
We use this all the time in MTU office buildings: http://netsys-direct.com/proddetail.php?prod=NVF-800S. Not one failure in 4 years. We use the 8 port version, but they also have a 24 port version. A fully loaded switch with modems is about 250/room installed (assuming you get the quantity discount). Motorola bought Tut and has a similar solution targeted for hospitality that has optional AP's in the modem. Very cool. Drop a dish on the roof, run to the telco room. Install the switch on the wall, cross connect to the customer's pair, drop a modem in their office and badda bing, badda boom, done. No new wires. Make sure you tag the wires at the punch blocks so Joe Telco doesn't pull your pairs. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link Jerry Richardson wrote: > Wireless is nice but since there is already a Cat5 in place I would use a > pair of Ethernet extenders. > > 396.00 for 100M FDX: http://netsys-direct.com/proddetail.php?prod=NV-600EKIT > > 600 feet is well within the range for full modulation. > > Jerry > Liking that solution and it says POTs copper is good enough. Have to remember that next time we are doing internal wiring in large office building. Bret WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
My bandwidth provider is an example of someone who decided to become that "provider neutral" middle mile. Not the only game in town, but he's definitely made a huge difference in the ability of a lot of smaller ISP's to become competitive, and he's making decent money, to boot. In my area, it's the cost of transport that's the real "cost" of bandwidth. I get calls from various providers looking to sell me anywhere from 10 to 30 bucks/meg, but there's no way to cost effectively transport it, due to the long distances. Basically, my provider charges about the same for transport as he does for bandwidth, and his connectivity is pretty good. I've gotten prices from pretty much every b/w provider around over the years, including those that own their own fiber, and he beats them all - not so much due to the cost/meg, but they have enormous colo fees, or insist I buy a local loop to get it to me. There will always be pitfalls to trying to force someone to sell you a service at less than they want to... Best option is for someone to become a regional middle mile like my provider is. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: "Charles N Wyble" Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 4:04 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > > Bret Clark wrote: >> Bingo...we have a winner! Middle mile means sqaut when there is a single >> provider who know they've got you by the you-know-what in terms of >> pricing. > Thank you Bret and Mike for making my point. :) > > Yes there is fiber just about everywhere, but it comes down to > accessibility. > > > >> Then there is the finger pointing you have to deal with when >> there is a problem...funny...for some reason's it's never their problem >> initially until you prove within a shadow of a doubt it is! >> > Hah! Yep. > >> We build our own wireless middle mile and that actually helps us with >> cost control because we are responsible for the links, also we find that >> customers like the fact that we have zero reliance on any ILEC. >> > > Interesting. Is the purpose of the wireless middle mile to reach a > carrier neutral facility? Very intriguing. I've considered doing that > here in Los Angeles. Back haul to One Wilshire or something. I have > friends with gear on the mountains. Hmmm >> Bret >> >> >> >> Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> Well yes, AT&T, Sprint, Qwest, and Verizon have fiber almost everywhere. >>> That doesn't mean they'll sell you a service that you can cost >>> effectively >>> use. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link
Another possible source for Ethernet Extenders http://www.ethernetextender.com/ethernet-extension-products/ethernet-extension-kits.php Regards Faisal. On 3/17/2010 11:51 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: > Wireless is nice but since there is already a Cat5 in place I would use a > pair of Ethernet extenders. > > 396.00 for 100M FDX: http://netsys-direct.com/proddetail.php?prod=NV-600EKIT > > 600 feet is well within the range for full modulation. > > Jerry > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Kosinet Wireless > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:27 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link > > I'm looking for ideas / recommendations. I've got a Client with 2 buildings > about 600 feet apart. Currently using Cat5 locked at 10Mbps - It's been > working ok, but we need more speed. Fiber is probably the best bang for the > buck, but I was wondering if there was anything wireless out there that I > could compete with? > > They got a price of $3k to pull Fiber between buildings. > > Anything new / revolutionary / cheap?? > > -Gary- > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link
WOW! *Quad 10/100Mbps LAN ports on each end and engineered to handle extreme temperatures -49°F to 168°F (-45°to 76°C) Half expected to see dishwasher safe. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > Another possible source for Ethernet Extenders > > > http://www.ethernetextender.com/ethernet-extension-products/ethernet-extension-kits.php > > Regards > > Faisal. > > On 3/17/2010 11:51 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: > > Wireless is nice but since there is already a Cat5 in place I would use a > pair of Ethernet extenders. > > > > 396.00 for 100M FDX: > http://netsys-direct.com/proddetail.php?prod=NV-600EKIT > > > > 600 feet is well within the range for full modulation. > > > > Jerry > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Kosinet Wireless > > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:27 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link > > > > I'm looking for ideas / recommendations. I've got a Client with 2 > buildings about 600 feet apart. Currently using Cat5 locked at 10Mbps - It's > been working ok, but we need more speed. Fiber is probably the best bang for > the buck, but I was wondering if there was anything wireless out there that > I could compete with? > > > > They got a price of $3k to pull Fiber between buildings. > > > > Anything new / revolutionary / cheap?? > > > > -Gary- > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NPR Story on FCC Broadband Plan and Internet AccessinTrinity County California
I'm a provider for a small rural school, where the computer lab has about 25 machines in it. I provide them 5 meg, and have been thinking about turning it up a little, because during certain times in their computer classes, they seriously swamp that 5 megs, and they don't do p2p or download ISO's or anything else. It's just that 25 people clicking on the same links at the same moment, especially if it's some site with a small video clip or something, easily can use all 5 meg and even 10 meg and still have it feel slow. Not only that, to save money, the school IT guy moved the school's website to a server located at the school. Satellite... Is not adequate for school use, as far as I'm concerned. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ > > Yes Hughes Satelite performs very poorly. But I'd also argue, how fast > does > 20 computers for elementary school kids really need to be? > > >5. What would it cost to deploy a 100 mile microwave link between Corning >> and Weaverville with a minimum of 50Mbps of bandwidth but preferably >> 100Mbps > > I'm sure they could do it for much less than the $50k. > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
On top of that, as I recall the story when it first came out, they thumbed their noses at everyone that told them to knock it off. Basically, if this is the same company, they were jerks to everyone and deserved to get whacked pretty hard. marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements Randy, Thanks for the copy and paste. What happened is that the WISP took a 5.8 GHz Motorola and re-tuned it for the 5470-5725 MHz band. Therefore they were using it on a band that it was not certified to operate on thus they were using a radio that was not certified on the frequency that they were using it on. The FCC language is just the legal way to describe what was taking place. To operate a radio on 5.60 GHz, they would legally have to be using a) a radio that was certified for the 5470-5725 MHz band, or b) a radio that was licensed to be operating on 5.60 GHz (for example, a TDWR system). Since neither (a) nor (b) was true, they were operating illegally. If they had been using a legally certified Part-15, license-free, 5470-5725 MHz radio, they would still have been asked to exclude 5.60 GHz (because it was interfering with the TDWR) but they would not have been in violation of the law. jack Randy Cosby wrote: Maybe I read too much into it, but here it he language I was referring to. * Radio stations must be licensed by the FCC pursuant to 47 U.S.C. S: 301. *The only exception to this licensing requirement is for certain transmitters using or operating at a power level or mode of operation that complies with the standards established in Part 15 of the Commission's rules. Nonlicensed operation pursuant to Part 15 of the FCC's rules, however, is conditioned upon compliance with all applicable regulations in the subpart. 47 C.F.R. S: 15.1(b). All intentional radiators, such as your U-NII device, operating pursuant to Part 15 of the FCC's rules must be certified for use as a Part 15 device. 47 C.F.R. S: 15.201(b). The Motorola Canopy device, model # 5700BH20, FCC ID ABZ89F-C5804, is not authorized for use on frequency 5.60 GHz. Accordingly, you are not in compliance with the requirements of Part 15 of the FCC's rules. Therefore, your operations must be licensed by the FCC.*The FCC has no record of a license being issued to you to operate a transmitter on 5.61 GHz from your location.*Thus, this station is operating in violation of 47 U.S.C. S: 301. http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html On 3/15/2010 12:16 PM, Jack Unger wrote: I don't recall hearing or reading that but I don't have a photographic memory (at least not anymore). Can you cut and paste a copy of the language that you are referring to? Randy Cosby wrote: In the enforcement letters, it mentions licensing some of the 5.4 frequencies. Is that really even an option? Randy On 3/13/2010 9:50 AM, Jack Unger wrote: That requirement was done several years ago to avoid military radars. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: If this radar operates at 5600-5650 why does the FCC now require the DFS on 5300mhz ??? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:42 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA's FCC Committee Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements Eric, That is a very responsible position to take. The database doesn't exist yet. Final definition and creation of it is being worked on right now by the Industry Group (Motorola, Cisco, Atheros, Intel, WISPA and others). WISPA and the FCC Committee will be helping with industry outreach and education so we will alert you (and as many other operators as possible) on-list when there are major developments and when the database is ready. Let me know which TDWR site you are near and I'll find out what frequency they are using so you can remain 30 MHz away from it. jack (Chair - WISPA FCC Committee) Eric Rogers wrote: Jack, Who do I contact to get on the list? I am like 5 miles from one of the TDWR radar sites. We are using Motorola 5.4 with 9.5 so it supposedly has more updated signatures. I would rather get on the list voluntarily than they find me. Eric From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:00 PM To:nstooke...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements The FAA and NTIA want all outdoor operators to 1) verify if within 35 km, 2) if within 35 km, register your equipment and contact information in a (voluntary) database so they know who to contact if there is an interference problem, and 3) use channels that are more than 30 MHz awa
Re: [WISPA] Channel Recommendation & Gel Filled Ethernet
What do you get in vertical polarity? marlon - Original Message - From: "Israel Lopez-LISTS" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 12:01 PM Subject: [WISPA] Channel Recommendation & Gel Filled Ethernet > Hey Guys, > > Trying to choose the best channel for a new installation. > http://ewbhonduras.tumblr.com/post/450395382/1hr-wispy-rf-2-4-capture-from-the-horizontal > > This is what I see, I attached the WiSPY along with a laptop, and > mounted both on the tower we are planning on using for one hour. Then > brought the laptop down. > > Any suggestions? > > Also, what is the best way to handle crimping gel-filled cat5e cable? > We are having a heck of a time with the ends slipping off and the > individual conductors slipping out. > > -Israel > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
Finally someone in the major press willing to call a spade a spade. marlon - Original Message - From: "Jeff Broadwick" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > REVIEW & OUTLOOK MARCH 15, 2010 > Broadband Trojan Horse > The FCC has a new plan but doesn't want a vote. > Health care isn't the only policy arena in which the Obama Administration > aims to ram through controversial new rules. The Federal Communications > Commission is set to unveil a "national broadband plan" opposed by > industry > and without any of the five commissioners voting on it. > > Last year, Congress directed the FCC to develop a plan to make high-speed > Internet available to more people. But given that 95% of Americans already > have access to some form of broadband-and 94% can choose from at least > four > wireless carriers-rapid broadband deployment is already occurring without > new government mandates. > > Since 1998, the FCC has classified broadband as an "information service" > subject to less regulation than traditional telecom services. The Supreme > Court's Brand X decision in 2005 validated that classification, and the > upshot has been more investment, innovation and competition among Internet > service providers, all to the benefit of consumers. > > In 2009 alone, broadband providers spent nearly $60 billion on their > networks. Absent any evidence of market failure, the best course for the > FCC > is to report back to Congress that a broadband industrial policy is > unnecessary. Instead, FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski is moving to > increase > the reach of his agency and expand government control of the Web. > > Among other things, he wants broadband services reclassified so the FCC > can > more heavily regulate them. The national broadband plan, to be unveiled > tomorrow, will call for using the federal Universal Service Fund to > subsidize broadband deployment. The USF currently subsidizes phone service > in rural areas, and Mr. Genachowski knows that current law prevents it > from > being used to subsidize broadband unless broadband is reclassified as a > telecom service. Congress ought to be wary of letting the FCC expand its > jurisdiction through back doors like this. > > Mr. Genachowski wants more control over broadband providers so that he can > implement "net neutrality" rules that would dictate how AT&T, Verizon and > other Internet service providers manage their networks. To date, Congress > has given the FCC no such authority. Nor has the agency had success in > court. Based on oral arguments last month, the D.C. Circuit Court of > Appeals > is almost certain to rule against the FCC in a case involving Comcast's > network management. > > At the urging of liberal advocacy groups like Free Press and Public > Knowledge, Mr. Genachowski also wants to use the national broadband plan > as > a vehicle for returning to the bad old 1990s era of "open access" > regulations. He recommends forcing major broadband providers like Time > Warner Cable and Qwest to share their high-speed networks with smaller > competitors at federally set rates. We can't think of a better way to > reduce > capital investment and slow the build-out of high-speed networks. > > Mr. Genachowski's proposals are meeting resistance from telecom companies > and fellow commissioners, which is reason enough to put his broadband plan > to an agency vote. Instead, the chairman is urging his colleagues to sign > a > general statement that endorses the goals of the plan and ignores the > details. > > "Instead of risking a split vote among the five regulators on approving > the > plan," reports National Journal, "Genachowski is seeking consensus on a > joint statement, which sources said would provide him with some political > cover for the controversies that are certain to be triggered by some of > the > plan's recommendations." > > The FCC chairman and his staff have spent the better part of a year > preparing a major report while keeping his colleagues largely in the dark. > What happened to the Obama Administration's promise to be open and > transparent? > > Copyright 2009 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved > > Regards, > > Jeff > > > Jeff Broadwick > Sales Manager, ImageStream > 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) > +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) > +1 574-935-8488 (Fax) > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ ---
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
EXACTLY! Why would new NTIA backhaul be cheaper? People always charge what the market will bare, build cost has nothing to do with it, when there is no competitions to force better pricing. Its a shame NTIA programs were designed to fund monopoly bandwidth build-out into new communities. The only thing that changes is who gets to be the monopoly entity. And even if it was free interconnection, who pays to get transport to one of the interconnection points? I would argue that transport cost would be just as high as buying transit. I personally think the NTIA projects will only accomplish a few goals in the short term1) it sent a warning to scare the Large Incumbants that they'd be wise to try a bit harder. 2) Get Government venues free broadband from reoccuring perspective, if you ignore the Tax dollar investment. 3) Get bandwdith to an area that really didn't have it before, which is a benefit, even if not at a low price. Even the non-profits, I just dont see any motive for them to lower price to anyone. If a player wasn't involved in the Non-profit at grant writing time for the proposal, without investment contributed, I just dont see how they will be given a free ride to get benefit. This is considering that the Non-profits are made up of board that are ISP competitors. Sure there will be some competitive pressure, now having two carriers in town instead of one, but that on its own probably wont be enough for short term benefit, in my opinion. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Chuck Bartosch" To: ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL In my experience, (1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of backhaul, it's the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, but it doesn't prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are exceptions to that-but they are going to be very very rare. (2) the prices I'm seeing for the new backhauls from buildouts funded by NTIA are not cheaper than what already exists in an area. Again, I'm sure there are exceptions, but I'm willing to bet they are also rare. As I'm sure you can figure out, I'm not free to disclose which applications I'm familiar with. Chuck On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:17 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: > Citations needed? > > I have seen many many many posts on this list discussing/complaining about > middle mile/back haul issues including access and expense. > > If the vast majority of wisps have access to sufficient back haul at > competive prices then I stand corrected. Do the wisps on this list feel > that your back haul needs are being adequately met with existing > infestructure? > Maybe someone should setup a poll on a website and let wisps vote? > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: Chuck Bartosch > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:04 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already have > at least *some* fiber. The cost, and the problem, is in getting last mile > done, not middle mile done. From my direct experience and observation, a > lot of the middle mile projects NTIA is funding is really for redundant > fiber. Where it isn't redundant it isn't really providing functionality > that would help last mile access in the projects I've looked at. Worse, > the middle mile projects are NOT being designed intimately with last mile > providers. They are going to "key community institutions" which (1) mostly > already have fiber connections and (2) really have no impact on where > service is needed for last mile access. > > Chuck > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: > >> This is why I have said that the stimulus dollars need to go to middle >> milte build outs. Wireless as a last mile medium is very well understood >> and gives best bang for the buck in a lot of scenarios. >> >> Justin Wilson wrote: >>> I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs have >>> T1s and T3s at best. The cost of transport and bandwidth doesn¹t allow >>> them >>> to scale as well as they could if they had fiber or some other high >>> capacity >>> transport. With providers such as Cogent well under $10 a meg in bulk >>> you >>> can afford to up the speed (providing your network can support it) if >>> you >>> have access to such things. >>> >>> I have seen several providers start offering better speeds once they >>> had >>> access to a bigger pipe. I know in my area a T1 is still around $450 a >>> month. Get 4 bonded t1s and you are looking at $300 a meg. If you had >>> access to fiber and your transport + bandwidth cost you say $75 a meg >>> you >>> could afford to up the subscriber speeds. >>> >>> Just my thoughts. >>> >>> Justin >>> >> >> >> >
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
Good point, Butch. Well said. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" To: ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 13:29 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote: >> If they are giving them some form of subsidy to build these >> networks, then I think we should have access to use it too. > > This is the wrong way to view it, though. I'm not looking to argue the > point, but want to address this in a slightly different way. Let's take > an area called ruralville, us. In Ruralville, there is a population of > 1000 citizens who earn an average of $22k/year. If there were no high > speed options in ruralville, would YOU build a network there? I know I > would. Especially if I carried the backhaul in from a larger network. > Would you require someone else to pay for the gear, or could you make > the numbers work for that area? I know I could make the numbers work. > > NOW...the question is: If it is feasible to make it work without a > subsidy, WHY SHOULD ANYONE GET ONE FOR THAT AREA? > > In my mind, it's not about "if they get one, I want one, too". It is > more along the line of "if I don't NEED one, neither do they". > > -- > > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * > * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link
Bridgewave LTE at $7500 is a good bang for the buck to get acrross the street, and then some, as long as 100mbps is enough. But fiber is still cheaper. Terabeam will get you 1GB for under $10k, to get across the street, but it only supports fiber cabling to it. So you migh spend half the cost to run fiber between buildings, just terminating the Terabeam with fiber. 3-db just posted a great price on SafTechnica for 300mbps, but again, it will still be more expensive than the Fiber. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Kosinet Wireless" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:26 AM Subject: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link > I'm looking for ideas / recommendations. I've got a Client with 2 > buildings about 600 feet apart. Currently using Cat5 locked at 10Mbps - > It's been working ok, but we need more speed. Fiber is probably the best > bang for the buck, but I was wondering if there was anything wireless out > there that I could compete with? > > They got a price of $3k to pull Fiber between buildings. > > Anything new / revolutionary / cheap?? > > -Gary- > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Mike, Last month, you mentioned that a ARRA project was approved in your neighborhood, and that you will benefit from it. That was great news to hear. I would be interested in hearing exactly how you will benefit. What pricing they'll be offering, etc. If the project will be a success to help WISPs, we should point it out as a case study on how a project can benefit public, if done correctly. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Apparently your area's applicant is a jerk. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Chuck Bartosch" Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:42 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > If I'm being charged $7000/month just to get to Syracuse by this new build > out, I can't imagine what they'd charge to go to NYC. > > Chuck > > On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> That is the purpose of a middle mile BTOP grant... to take you from >> Ithaca, >> Syracuse, Binghamton, or Rochester to 60 Hudson St. or 111 8th Ave., New >> York. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "Chuck Bartosch" >> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:31 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >>> But He.net isn't in Syracuse so that doesn't do me a whole lot of good. >>> They aren't in Binghamton either. Nor are they in Rochester (which is >>> really too far but is the next closest meet point). >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 11:21 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: >>> He.net will do $1 per Meg with 1 gig minimum commit. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck Bartosch Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:49:09 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I can't use a gig right now. However, to *get* that gig would cost us $7000/month for a wavelength on one provider's new network. Suddenly the gig that I can't really use isn't cheap at all. The costs for what I *do* use would more than double. Even in the carrier hotels in the bigger cities, bandwidth is not available at $1/Mbps. Most quotes, aside from Cogent's end-of-the-year special, are for about $8/Mbps (though that'd be for 100 Mbps scale purchases, not gig purchases). Chuck On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > So having a gig transport to $1/megabit transit doesn't deploy access > to > needed areas? > > The middle mile could be built wherever. > > The best middle mile project we could see is a hybrid of fiber and > wireless. > Mostly fiber with fiber or microwave down to clients. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Chuck Bartosch" > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:04 PM > To: ; "WISPA General List" > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > >> In my experience, >> >> (1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of >> backhaul, >> it's the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, >> but >> it >> doesn't prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are >> exceptions to that-but they are going to be very very rare. >> >> (2) the prices I'm seeing for the new backhauls from buildouts funded >> by >> NTIA are not cheaper than what already exists in an area. Again, I'm >> sure >> there are exceptions, but I'm willing to bet they are also rare. >> >> As I'm sure you can figure out, I'm not free to disclose which >> applications I'm familiar with. >> >> Chuck >> >> >> On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:17 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: >> >>> Citations needed? >>> >>> I have seen many many many posts on this list discussing/complaining >>> about middle mile/back haul issues including access and expense. >>> >>> If the vast majority of wisps have access to sufficient back haul at >>> competive prices then I stand corrected. Do the wisps on this list >>> feel >>> that your back haul needs are being adequately met with existing >>> infestructure? >>> Maybe someone should setup a poll on a website and let wisps vote? >>> >>> >>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Chuck Bart
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Hopefully I don't step on anyone's toes posting this on a public list. I'm assuming that since it was filed with the feds, it'd be public through FoIA or some other request. Any lateral construction done at cost. $300/month for an enterprise grade 100 meg PtP, $600/month for GigE PtP, pricing not yet released for residential circuits. Transit available for $20 - $30/meg. This project puts 130 miles throughout my county. I'm looking to try to pick up some enterprise clients, but this will also enable me to have some redundancy without chewing up spectrum. I'll also use this once I establish a customer base at a new tower. I'm working with another entity for a bigger, state-wide project that would take me into Equinix (and all over the state) for $56/month for 10 meg $118/month for 100 meg, variable GigE PtP pricing, but for my 60 mile drive, it's $871/month to Equinix. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Tom DeReggi" Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:47 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > Mike, > > Last month, you mentioned that a ARRA project was approved in your > neighborhood, and that you will benefit from it. That was great news to > hear. > > I would be interested in hearing exactly how you will benefit. What > pricing > they'll be offering, etc. If the project will be a success to help WISPs, > we > should point it out as a case study on how a project can benefit public, > if > done correctly. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:52 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > > Apparently your area's applicant is a jerk. :-p > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Chuck Bartosch" > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:42 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > >> If I'm being charged $7000/month just to get to Syracuse by this new >> build >> out, I can't imagine what they'd charge to go to NYC. >> >> Chuck >> >> On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> That is the purpose of a middle mile BTOP grant... to take you from >>> Ithaca, >>> Syracuse, Binghamton, or Rochester to 60 Hudson St. or 111 8th Ave., New >>> York. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Chuck Bartosch" >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:31 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> But He.net isn't in Syracuse so that doesn't do me a whole lot of good. They aren't in Binghamton either. Nor are they in Rochester (which is really too far but is the next closest meet point). Chuck On Mar 16, 2010, at 11:21 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: > He.net will do $1 per Meg with 1 gig minimum commit. > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: Chuck Bartosch > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:49:09 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > I can't use a gig right now. However, to *get* that gig would cost us > $7000/month for a wavelength on one provider's new network. Suddenly > the > gig that I can't really use isn't cheap at all. The costs for what I > *do* > use would more than double. > > Even in the carrier hotels in the bigger cities, bandwidth is not > available at $1/Mbps. Most quotes, aside from Cogent's end-of-the-year > special, are for about $8/Mbps (though that'd be for 100 Mbps scale > purchases, not gig purchases). > > Chuck > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> So having a gig transport to $1/megabit transit doesn't deploy access >> to >> needed areas? >> >> The middle mile could be built wherever. >> >> The best middle mile project we could see is a hybrid of fiber and >> wireless. >> Mostly fiber with fiber or microwave down to clients. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "Chuck Bartosch" >> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:04 PM >> To: ; "WISPA General List" >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >>> In my experience, >>> >>> (1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of >>> backhaul, >>> it's the cost of the equipment.
[WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices?
Does anyone here sell trendnet at a good price? They have some "green" low power consumption switches - I need some low power use switches for my network - and I'd rather offer you a few bucks than Newegg... TrendNet TE100-S80g 8 port switch is 2.5 watts power use max.I'm currently sucking up 20W+ for a switch... yikes. Nice for alternative power locations. now, if I could just find an efficient 12 -> 7.5V dc-dc converter for a decent price. email me at purchasing at neofast d0t net ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices?
What kind of switch needs 20 watts?! On 3/17/10, MDK wrote: > Does anyone here sell trendnet at a good price? They have some "green" low > power consumption switches - I need some low power use switches for my > network - and I'd rather offer you a few bucks than Newegg... > > TrendNet TE100-S80g 8 port switch is 2.5 watts power use max.I'm > currently sucking up 20W+ for a switch... yikes. > > Nice for alternative power locations. > > now, if I could just find an efficient 12 -> 7.5V dc-dc converter for a > decent price. > > email me at purchasing at neofast d0t net > > > > ++ > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > ++ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices?
I've looked into official channels many times for selling mainstream gear. NewEgg or similar online retailers are your best bet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "MDK" Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:57 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices? > Does anyone here sell trendnet at a good price? They have some "green" > low > power consumption switches - I need some low power use switches for my > network - and I'd rather offer you a few bucks than Newegg... > > TrendNet TE100-S80g 8 port switch is 2.5 watts power use max.I'm > currently sucking up 20W+ for a switch... yikes. > > Nice for alternative power locations. > > now, if I could just find an efficient 12 -> 7.5V dc-dc converter for a > decent price. > > email me at purchasing at neofast d0t net > > > > ++ > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > ++ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices?
On 17 March 2010 14:57, MDK wrote: > Does anyone here sell trendnet at a good price? They have some "green" > low > power consumption switches - I need some low power use switches for my > network - and I'd rather offer you a few bucks than Newegg... > > TrendNet TE100-S80g 8 port switch is 2.5 watts power use max.I'm > currently sucking up 20W+ for a switch... yikes. > > Nice for alternative power locations. > > now, if I could just find an efficient 12 -> 7.5V dc-dc converter for a > decent price. > > email me at purchasing at neofast d0t net > The Allied Telesis 8 port is also low power, 7.5VDC. http://www.alliedtelesis.com/media/datasheets/fs708le_eco_ds.pdf Match it with an AnyVolt switching regulator, and you are set. http://www.dimensionengineering.com/AnyVoltMicro.htm WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices?
The AT and TrendNet switches are so similar, even in physical form, I suspect they ARE the same. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: "Jeremy Parr" Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:19 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices? > On 17 March 2010 14:57, MDK wrote: > >> Does anyone here sell trendnet at a good price? They have some "green" >> low >> power consumption switches - I need some low power use switches for my >> network - and I'd rather offer you a few bucks than Newegg... >> >> TrendNet TE100-S80g 8 port switch is 2.5 watts power use max.I'm >> currently sucking up 20W+ for a switch... yikes. >> >> Nice for alternative power locations. >> >> now, if I could just find an efficient 12 -> 7.5V dc-dc converter for a >> decent price. >> >> email me at purchasing at neofast d0t net >> > > The Allied Telesis 8 port is also low power, 7.5VDC. > http://www.alliedtelesis.com/media/datasheets/fs708le_eco_ds.pdf > > Match it with an AnyVolt switching regulator, and you are set. > http://www.dimensionengineering.com/AnyVoltMicro.htm > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices?
The kind that normally takes a few watts, but is running off an inverter at the moment.No AC available and I haven't got any other PSU for it yet. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: "Josh Luthman" Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:14 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices? > What kind of switch needs 20 watts?! > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices?
Oh I see. Thanks for clarifying. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:37 PM, MDK wrote: > The kind that normally takes a few watts, but is running off an inverter at > the moment.No AC available and I haven't got any other PSU for it yet. > > > > > > ++ > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > ++ > > -- > From: "Josh Luthman" > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:14 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices? > > > What kind of switch needs 20 watts?! > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] UBNT XR-9 card for sale
Used as a test for a site for about a week, then went a different route. If you are interested. $75 takes it contact me off list. Thank You, Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices?
On 17 March 2010 15:36, MDK wrote: > The AT and TrendNet switches are so similar, even in physical form, I > suspect they ARE the same. > ...except that AT seems to think theirs are worth $28 vs $22 for the Trendnet WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?
I have also built my own POE board like that. My cost was around $75 in parts and spare time over 3 days. We do not have enough need to do the integrated switch but did look into sourcing some hardened switches and modifying them. On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:44 AM, wrote: > They are Leviton and they work fine for our applications, but I'm looking > forward to not having to have the pigtails and being able to plug and > unplug directly. > > Cameron > >> Cool. Those look like Home Depot ethernet jacks you're using to attach to >> the pigtails. How are they working out for you? >> >> Greg >> >> On Mar 16, 2010, at 5:31 PM, cc...@dot11net.com wrote: >> >>> Greg, >>> >>> We build one of these for internal use (posted about it last week), but >>> ours is a passive device that needs an external switch. We use it in >>> combination with a 493 or 493ah on tower tops. It takes any input >>> voltage >>> from 18-96 volts and outputs the same input voltage on 9 ports with two >>> of >>> the ports switchable between the input voltage and 12 V. Why only two >>> ports? Well, to make it cheap enough, the voltage convertor we use only >>> outputs about 1 amp so running more than 2 devices would probably not >>> work. The voltage convertors we use are about $40 each so putting one on >>> each jack would make the device pretty expensive. I'm sure we could >>> design >>> a power supply that would do everything we want, but since we aren't in >>> the electronics mfg. business, it would be more costly that it is worth >>> to >>> us. >>> >>> With our next run, we will be making the board look a little different >>> with two rows of ethernet jacks on the front of the board facing out >>> instead of up/down. We find that getting the cables out of the jacks in >>> the current config can be a PITA (hence the pigtails in the pics). The >>> devices are about $150 in parts as they stand to make in small >>> quanitites. >>> I posted last week about it because I wanted to see if I could use some >>> simple ICs to detect ethernet signal to trip a power relay to make a >>> remote power cycle by disabling the ethernet port. Further research >>> shows >>> this is not possible without a PHY chip. I'll try to post a pic of one >>> of >>> our tower top boxes, but if it doesn't make it and you want to see it, >>> hit >>> me offlist. If you think it would be a big seller and you want to make >>> an >>> investment, I'm sure we could come to an agreement ;). >>> >>> Cameron >>> Does anyone know of or use a POE powered POE splitter/switch combo which could be tower mounted which would allow a single ethernet cable carrying POE (perferrably 48v) up the tower, and then would pass POE (adjustable voltages) to multiple devices and also act as a switch (preferably managed)? I'm thinking of something that would let a person run a single Ethernet up the tower and then connect multiple POE powered devices. It seems like this is something that would be a big hit. Yes, I Googled it first. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
I think I saw an ad here for Aperto or AirSpan or some other vendor who had 3.65 GHz gear with $200 SMs for life if you bought a particular package. If the company who sent that could re-send it to me off-list, or if it was on another list and someone here knows what I am talking about and can send me the e-mail, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, Dave == MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION David Sovereen 989-837-3790 x 151 http://www.mercury.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
Here is what I got Hi folks, We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto Networks -- the 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 and 5 GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band and 17 dbi integrated (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and 3.65 GHz with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs and no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, same price. Because you'll also need base stations to connect to, we are also offering full sector kits that support over 250 CPE per sector for these bands for $5000, including PM3000 1U base station, respective frequency base station radio (BSR), full sector and EMS license, antenna cable, sync cable and sector antenna of your choice (60, 60 or 120 degree, or omni). To qualify for this base station pricing, a minimum of 10 CPE must be included per base station. There are no hidden items; these all-in-one full sector kits. This promotion runs from this week to April 15, but because we know you need firm pricing for CAPEX planning, we will extend a price guarantee at these prices to any WISP who buys at least 5 sector kits by April 15. What does this get you? -One low price and you tailor your package to fit your need. oAll-in-one 3.65 or 5.8 GHz carrier class WiMAX sector (excludes 75 ohm LMR 400). oReduce your CAPEX permanently. Reduce your OPEX dramatically compared to Wi-Fi. oWiMAX at near Wi-Fi pricing with price protection with purchase of 5 or more sectors. oYou choose any combination of N type or various integrated antenna CPE options. oYou choose 60, 90, 120 degree sector options - or even an omni. oLowest total cost of ownership solution that can support over 250 CPE/sector (really). oUSDA RUS Accepted, globally-proven and built by 802.16 and WiMAX pioneer Aperto. oMonitor and manage thousands of CPE with included WaveCenter EMS and all licenses (server not included). -Technically advanced. Field proven. Feature rich, yet easy to deploy. oBuilt-in sync with cascaded local sectors; 7 MHz channels minimizes noise exposure. o20 mbps/sector net, even with full QoS and WiMAX service flows implemented. oSupports scaled toll quality voice concurrent with data and/or video. oConfigurable symmetric or asymmetry up to 70:30 in either direction. oAuto set & forget or manual provisioning; Internet-based CPE management. oAutomatic dynamic power control, ARQ, VLANs, certificate-based encryption. oBuilt-in frequency spectrum analyzer. To order, contact your representative at any of the following authorized Aperto Networks value-added distributor: 3-db Networks (Colorado)303.376.6828sa...@3-db.net Crossover Distribution (Ontario)866.616.5111 sa...@crossoverdistribution.com Double Radius (North Carolina)866.891.3602sa...@doubleradius.com Wireless Connections (Ohio)419.660.6100 sa...@wirelessconnections.net For other questions, feel free to contact me directly at ple...@apertonet.com. We hope this is a "stimulus plan" you'll find attractive! Sincerely, Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile ple...@apertonet.com www.apertonet.com Sent from my iPhone On Mar 17, 2010, at 6:16 PM, "David Sovereen" wrote: > I think I saw an ad here for Aperto or AirSpan or some other vendor > who > had 3.65 GHz gear with $200 SMs for life if you bought a particular > package. If the company who sent that could re-send it to me off- > list, > or if it was on another list and someone here knows what I am talking > about and can send me the e-mail, I'd really appreciate it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dave > > > > == > > MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION > > David Sovereen > > 989-837-3790 x 151 > > http://www.mercury.net > > > > > > --- > --- > --- > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > --- > --- > --- > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
Is any one here actually sold on WiMax ? I am not sure what this gives us over say ... a Fixed system except higher pricing for equipment and a product that does not go as far... I could be wrong - guess its time for an education anyone know the benefits of WiMax? What I really want are non wimax on the 3.65 side On Mar 17, 2010, at 7:19 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: > Here is what I got > > Hi folks, > > We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks > are > tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP > business, > so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto Networks -- the > 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 and 5 > GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) PM320 > PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective immediately, > the > price applies to all N type CPE in either band and 17 dbi integrated > (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and 3.65 > GHz > with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs and no > minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, same price. > > Because you'll also need base stations to connect to, we are also > offering full sector kits that support over 250 CPE per sector for > these > bands for $5000, including PM3000 1U base station, respective > frequency > base station radio (BSR), full sector and EMS license, antenna cable, > sync cable and sector antenna of your choice (60, 60 or 120 degree, or > omni). To qualify for this base station pricing, a minimum of 10 CPE > must be included per base station. There are no hidden items; these > all-in-one full sector kits. > > This promotion runs from this week to April 15, but because we know > you > need firm pricing for CAPEX planning, we will extend a price guarantee > at these prices to any WISP who buys at least 5 sector kits by April > 15. > > What does this get you? > > -One low price and you tailor your package to fit your need. > oAll-in-one 3.65 or 5.8 GHz carrier class WiMAX sector (excludes > 75 ohm LMR 400). > oReduce your CAPEX permanently. Reduce your OPEX dramatically > compared to Wi-Fi. > oWiMAX at near Wi-Fi pricing with price protection with purchase > of 5 or more sectors. > oYou choose any combination of N type or various integrated > antenna CPE options. > oYou choose 60, 90, 120 degree sector options - or even an omni. > oLowest total cost of ownership solution that can support over > 250 CPE/sector (really). > oUSDA RUS Accepted, globally-proven and built by 802.16 and WiMAX > pioneer Aperto. > oMonitor and manage thousands of CPE with included WaveCenter EMS > and all licenses (server not included). > > -Technically advanced. Field proven. Feature rich, yet easy to > deploy. > oBuilt-in sync with cascaded local sectors; 7 MHz channels > minimizes noise exposure. > o20 mbps/sector net, even with full QoS and WiMAX service flows > implemented. > oSupports scaled toll quality voice concurrent with data and/or > video. > oConfigurable symmetric or asymmetry up to 70:30 in either > direction. > oAuto set & forget or manual provisioning; Internet-based CPE > management. > oAutomatic dynamic power control, ARQ, VLANs, certificate-based > encryption. > oBuilt-in frequency spectrum analyzer. > > To order, contact your representative at any of the following > authorized > Aperto Networks value-added distributor: > 3-db Networks (Colorado)303.376.6828sa...@3-db.net > Crossover Distribution (Ontario)866.616.5111 > sa...@crossoverdistribution.com > Double Radius (North Carolina)866.891.3602sa...@doubleradius.com > Wireless Connections (Ohio)419.660.6100 > sa...@wirelessconnections.net > > For other questions, feel free to contact me directly at > ple...@apertonet.com. > > We hope this is a "stimulus plan" you'll find attractive! > > Sincerely, > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > ple...@apertonet.com > www.apertonet.com > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 17, 2010, at 6:16 PM, "David Sovereen" > wrote: > >> I think I saw an ad here for Aperto or AirSpan or some other vendor >> who >> had 3.65 GHz gear with $200 SMs for life if you bought a particular >> package. If the company who sent that could re-send it to me off- >> list, >> or if it was on another list and someone here knows what I am talking >> about and can send me the e-mail, I'd really appreciate it. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> = >> = >> >> MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION >> >> David Sovereen >> >> 989-837-3790 x 151 >> >> http://www.mercury.net >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> ---
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
The soft licensing ensures that anyone randomly throwing AP's in the air without registering will be subject to enforcement by the FCC. With every AP registered, you will be able to contact other 3.65 operators for co-ordination. No guarantees they will co-operate but at least you know who to egg on New Years Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal Is any one here actually sold on WiMax ? I am not sure what this gives us over say ... a Fixed system except higher pricing for equipment and a product that does not go as far... I could be wrong - guess its time for an education anyone know the benefits of WiMax? What I really want are non wimax on the 3.65 side On Mar 17, 2010, at 7:19 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: > Here is what I got > > Hi folks, > > We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks > are > tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP > business, > so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto Networks -- the > 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 and 5 > GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) PM320 > PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective immediately, > the > price applies to all N type CPE in either band and 17 dbi integrated > (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and 3.65 > GHz > with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs and no > minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, same price. > > Because you'll also need base stations to connect to, we are also > offering full sector kits that support over 250 CPE per sector for > these > bands for $5000, including PM3000 1U base station, respective > frequency > base station radio (BSR), full sector and EMS license, antenna cable, > sync cable and sector antenna of your choice (60, 60 or 120 degree, or > omni). To qualify for this base station pricing, a minimum of 10 CPE > must be included per base station. There are no hidden items; these > all-in-one full sector kits. > > This promotion runs from this week to April 15, but because we know > you > need firm pricing for CAPEX planning, we will extend a price guarantee > at these prices to any WISP who buys at least 5 sector kits by April > 15. > > What does this get you? > > -One low price and you tailor your package to fit your need. > oAll-in-one 3.65 or 5.8 GHz carrier class WiMAX sector (excludes > 75 ohm LMR 400). > oReduce your CAPEX permanently. Reduce your OPEX dramatically > compared to Wi-Fi. > oWiMAX at near Wi-Fi pricing with price protection with purchase > of 5 or more sectors. > oYou choose any combination of N type or various integrated > antenna CPE options. > oYou choose 60, 90, 120 degree sector options - or even an omni. > oLowest total cost of ownership solution that can support over > 250 CPE/sector (really). > oUSDA RUS Accepted, globally-proven and built by 802.16 and WiMAX > pioneer Aperto. > oMonitor and manage thousands of CPE with included WaveCenter EMS > and all licenses (server not included). > > -Technically advanced. Field proven. Feature rich, yet easy to > deploy. > oBuilt-in sync with cascaded local sectors; 7 MHz channels > minimizes noise exposure. > o20 mbps/sector net, even with full QoS and WiMAX service flows > implemented. > oSupports scaled toll quality voice concurrent with data and/or > video. > oConfigurable symmetric or asymmetry up to 70:30 in either > direction. > oAuto set & forget or manual provisioning; Internet-based CPE > management. > oAutomatic dynamic power control, ARQ, VLANs, certificate-based > encryption. > oBuilt-in frequency spectrum analyzer. > > To order, contact your representative at any of the following > authorized > Aperto Networks value-added distributor: > 3-db Networks (Colorado)303.376.6828sa...@3-db.net > Crossover Distribution (Ontario)866.616.5111 > sa...@crossoverdistribution.com > Double Radius (North Carolina)866.891.3602sa...@doubleradius.com > Wireless Connections (Ohio)419.660.6100 > sa...@wirelessconnections.net > > For other questions, feel free to contact me directly at > ple...@apertonet.com. > > We hope this is a "stimulus plan" you'll find attractive! > > Sincerely, > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > ple...@apertonet.com > www.apertonet.com > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 17, 2010, at 6:16 PM, "David Sovereen" > wrote: > >> I think I saw an ad here for Aperto or AirSpan or some other vendor >> who >> had 3.65 GHz gear with $200 SMs for life if you bought a particular >> package. If the company who sent that could re-send it to me off- >> list, >> or if it was on another list and someone here knows what I am talking
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 21:07 -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote: > Is any one here actually sold on WiMax ? "Sold on"...not me. "Recognize that there ARE some benefits"...YES! > I am not sure what this gives us over say ... a Fixed system except > higher pricing for equipment and a product that does not go as far... > > I could be wrong - guess its time for an education > > anyone know the benefits of WiMax? I will leave most of the sales guys that man these lists, but there are a number of benefits to WiMAX that make it a better solution than simple polling or tdma approaches. First thing to remember is that WiMAX was designed specifically for the way we use our networks. That is, outdoor where we will see noise AND where all stations to not see each other. There were a number of issues that WiMAX addresses revolving those 2 issues specifically. Secondly, WiMAX has built in QOS on the air interface. That is HUGE. The ability to have true QOS on that part of the network where protocols that need the least latency will get it, regardless of where they fit in the "polling order" as it were. The details here are astonishing and worth reading if you truly have an interest in answering the question "why should I be interested in WiMAX". Having pointed out just one or two of the many benefits of WiMAX, I will say that I am not completely convinced that it is the cat's meow. There are a number of networks that do not need these benefits, given the cost. I won't reopen the "good enough network" argument, but the fact is that for many of us (most perhaps), polling or tdma is sufficient for the networks that we run and the cost of WiMAX makes it such that the cost is greater than the value. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
well put kinda where we are - it makes sense perhaps in some places just not convinced ours is one of them ... yet ... :-) On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Butch Evans wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 21:07 -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote: >> Is any one here actually sold on WiMax ? > > "Sold on"...not me. "Recognize that there ARE some benefits"...YES! > >> I am not sure what this gives us over say ... a Fixed system except >> higher pricing for equipment and a product that does not go as far... >> >> I could be wrong - guess its time for an education >> >> anyone know the benefits of WiMax? > > I will leave most of the sales guys that man these lists, but there > are > a number of benefits to WiMAX that make it a better solution than > simple > polling or tdma approaches. First thing to remember is that WiMAX was > designed specifically for the way we use our networks. That is, > outdoor > where we will see noise AND where all stations to not see each other. > There were a number of issues that WiMAX addresses revolving those 2 > issues specifically. > > Secondly, WiMAX has built in QOS on the air interface. That is HUGE. > The ability to have true QOS on that part of the network where > protocols > that need the least latency will get it, regardless of where they > fit in > the "polling order" as it were. The details here are astonishing and > worth reading if you truly have an interest in answering the question > "why should I be interested in WiMAX". > > Having pointed out just one or two of the many benefits of WiMAX, I > will > say that I am not completely convinced that it is the cat's meow. > There > are a number of networks that do not need these benefits, given the > cost. I won't reopen the "good enough network" argument, but the fact > is that for many of us (most perhaps), polling or tdma is sufficient > for > the networks that we run and the cost of WiMAX makes it such that the > cost is greater than the value. > > -- > > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * > * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Channel Recommendation & Gel Filled Ethernet
I use flooded cable exclusively. Have you tried another make of crimper? Maybe you aren't getting a good enough crimp from the one you are using. The only time I have issues with the ends is when I snag them on something but I've only had the outer jacket come loose from the connecter but never the conductors. Even with the gel the crimp on the conductors have always held fast. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Channel Recommendation & Gel Filled Ethernet What do you get in vertical polarity? marlon - Original Message - From: "Israel Lopez-LISTS" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 12:01 PM Subject: [WISPA] Channel Recommendation & Gel Filled Ethernet > Hey Guys, > > Trying to choose the best channel for a new installation. > http://ewbhonduras.tumblr.com/post/450395382/1hr-wispy-rf-2-4-capture-from-t he-horizontal > > This is what I see, I attached the WiSPY along with a laptop, and > mounted both on the tower we are planning on using for one hour. Then > brought the laptop down. > > Any suggestions? > > Also, what is the best way to handle crimping gel-filled cat5e cable? > We are having a heck of a time with the ends slipping off and the > individual conductors slipping out. > > -Israel > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
>> anyone know the benefits of WiMax? > > I will leave most of the sales guys that man these lists, but there are > a number of benefits to WiMAX that make it a better solution than simple > polling or tdma approaches. After working some years in a WiMAX operator I couldn't agree more with Butch. The technology is incredibly good for outdoor networks. But besides better pricing (CPE, BS, spectrum), one thing I missed from current WiMAX technology was large channel size. Fixed WiMAX is usually available with 3.5 or 7 MHz channels; mobile WiMAX with 5 or 10 MHz channels. Wi-Fi already had non-standard 40 MHz with Turbo A/G and now has 40 MHz standard with 802.11n. With a small channel, even a high goodput/Hz couldn't go very far coping with increasing demands and we ended up installing unlicensed spectrum radios. My current mindset is that WiMAX is good for every application besides Internet access for computers. Surveillance, telephony and Internet access for mobile devices (including public safety and first responders) are all applications that WiMAX would edge out any other technology available on the market, as of Q1CY2010. 4G WiMAX (802.16m) might change that, I don't know. Will wait and see. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
I have a small wimax deployment with 20 subs and 130 phone lines and I wouldn't change a thing. All business customers with very high quality voip. I section all the voip traffic out with ugs and leave the Internet as best effort to guarantee service levels. All my subs can easily get 5-6 megs upload which is far better than dsl or cable. And the best part is you set it and it is the same every day. All units keep the highest modulation (qam 64 3/4). If you do have one unit that has a week signal it really has no effect on the overall system. There are many other benefits but that is a few off the top of my head. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:22 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: >>> anyone know the benefits of WiMax? >> >> I will leave most of the sales guys that man these lists, but there >> are >> a number of benefits to WiMAX that make it a better solution than >> simple >> polling or tdma approaches. > > After working some years in a WiMAX operator I couldn't agree more > with Butch. The technology is incredibly good for outdoor networks. > But besides better pricing (CPE, BS, spectrum), one thing I missed > from current WiMAX technology was large channel size. Fixed WiMAX is > usually available with 3.5 or 7 MHz channels; mobile WiMAX with 5 or > 10 MHz channels. Wi-Fi already had non-standard 40 MHz with Turbo A/G > and now has 40 MHz standard with 802.11n. With a small channel, even a > high goodput/Hz couldn't go very far coping with increasing demands > and we ended up installing unlicensed spectrum radios. > > My current mindset is that WiMAX is good for every application besides > Internet access for computers. Surveillance, telephony and Internet > access for mobile devices (including public safety and first > responders) are all applications that WiMAX would edge out any other > technology available on the market, as of Q1CY2010. > > 4G WiMAX (802.16m) might change that, I don't know. Will wait and see. > > > Rubens > > > --- > --- > --- > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > --- > --- > --- > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Channel Recommendation & Gel Filled Ethernet
Which cable or kind of fill are you using? If it's the silicon fill from Mohawk you can easily clean it with an orange cleaner and that could help. leb At 10:20 PM -0400 3/17/10, Robert West wrote: >I use flooded cable exclusively. Have you tried another make of crimper? >Maybe you aren't getting a good enough crimp from the one you are using. >The only time I have issues with the ends is when I snag them on something >but I've only had the outer jacket come loose from the connecter but never >the conductors. Even with the gel the crimp on the conductors have always >held fast. > >Bob- > > > >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:21 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Channel Recommendation & Gel Filled Ethernet > >What do you get in vertical polarity? >marlon > >- Original Message - >From: "Israel Lopez-LISTS" >To: "WISPA General List" >Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 12:01 PM >Subject: [WISPA] Channel Recommendation & Gel Filled Ethernet > > >> Hey Guys, >> >> Trying to choose the best channel for a new installation. >> >http://ewbhonduras.tumblr.com/post/450395382/1hr-wispy-rf-2-4-capture-from-t >he-horizontal >> >> This is what I see, I attached the WiSPY along with a laptop, and >> mounted both on the tower we are planning on using for one hour. Then >> brought the laptop down. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Also, what is the best way to handle crimping gel-filled cat5e cable? >> We are having a heck of a time with the ends slipping off and the >> individual conductors slipping out. >> >> -Israel >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- l...@iridescent.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
