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2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: Granted. I wish we could go back to isolationism, but as the worlds only remaining Super Power, that seems unlikely. No matter what we do, we simply can't win. When faced with a game I can't win, I either decide to not play, or I cheat. For the US,

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2002-11-20 Thread Tyler Durden
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2002-11-20 Thread Mike Rosing
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Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who'sne

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Mike Diehl wrote: And the middle east is the only place we meddle? I think not. But the middle east is the only place who has overtly attacked us. Revisionist, and incorrect, history. Somalia isn't in the middle east. Britian isn't in the middle east. Mexico isn't in

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Tyler Durden
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2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Trei, Peter wrote: Mike, I hate to break it to you, but Muslims did not exist before 612 AD, when Mohammed received a vision of the Archangel Gabriel. Peter, I hate to break it to you but the 'religion' may not have existed per se but the people and culture did. The

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Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Mike Diehl wrote: Granted. I wish we could go back to isolationism, but as the worlds only remaining Super Power, that seems unlikely. No matter what we do, we simply can't win. Life isn't a football game, quite 'trying to win' and I think you'd find a lot of issues

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2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
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2002-11-20 Thread Tyler Durden
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2002-11-20 Thread Eric Cordian
Cable News is reporting that the Onion, America's Finest News Source, has pulled from its Web site an article on the recent siege at the Moscow theatre by Chechen rebels. Does anyone have a copy of the article they could post? I'd like to see what sorts of comments about terrorism are

Re: Psuedo-Private Key (eJazeera)

2002-11-20 Thread Keith Ray
Quoting Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]: WOULDN'T IT BE NICE...If the original encrypted message actually had TWO messages inside it, both very similar. In this example, one of the messages is the incriminating pictures of the demonstration, the other is pictures of Pam Anderson or

Re: Onion Self-Censorship

2002-11-20 Thread Robbie Honerkamp
On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 12:01, Eric Cordian wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the article they could post? I'd like to see what sorts of comments about terrorism are unacceptable to publish, even as parody.

RE: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who 's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Mike Rosing
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Re: Onion Self-Censorship

2002-11-20 Thread Jack Reed
Eric, It's cached at google here http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:aTDv7HqpUIsJ:www.theonion.com/onion3842/those_chechen_rebels.html+the+onion+chechenhl=enie=UTF-8 At 09:01 AM 11/20/02 -0800, Eric Cordian wrote: Cable News is reporting that the Onion, America's Finest News Source, has

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2002-11-20 Thread Declan McCullagh
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2002-11-20 Thread Trei, Peter
Tyler Durden[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: In school yard politics this edge is normally a weapon of some sort that can equalize the playing field (guns usually in the US, try going to an inner city public school for 2 years). Saddam sees this and that is what let him to develop

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2002-11-20 Thread Tyler Durden
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2002-11-20 Thread Peter Fairbrother
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2002-11-20 Thread ravage
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2002-11-20 Thread jet
At 9:01 -0800 2002/11/20, Eric Cordian wrote: Cable News is reporting that the Onion, America's Finest News Source, has pulled from its Web site an article on the recent siege at the Moscow theatre by Chechen rebels. You got any pointers to that? I'm not seeing any mention of this story

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2002-11-20 Thread Kevin Elliott
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2002-11-20 Thread Mike Diehl
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2002-11-20 Thread Trei, Peter
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Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Kevin Elliott
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2002-11-20 Thread James A. Donald
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2002-11-20 Thread Mike Diehl
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 01:57 pm, Trei, Peter wrote: Kevin Elliott[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Correction in the interest of historical accuracy. The idea that we succeeded in the revolutionary war by inventing a new form of warfare. The reality is that the british

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2002-11-20 Thread Tim May
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Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who 's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Dixon
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: Let's have some history here. The Muslims have not been at war against the Israelites since Biblical times. That is completely wrong. Hell, there haven't been any Israelites for nearly two millenia. More to the point, there were no Muslims in

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2002-11-20 Thread Mike Diehl
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 03:30 pm, Jim Dixon wrote: More to the point, there were no Muslims in Biblical times. The Muslims appeared around 600 years after Christ, centuries after the beginning of the Jewish diaspora. The Romans drove the Jews out of Jerusalem and

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2002-11-20 Thread Matthew X
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2002-11-20 Thread Tyler Durden
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2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
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2002-11-20 Thread Declan McCullagh
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2002-11-20 Thread Tyler Durden
In school yard politics this edge is normally a weapon of some sort that can equalize the playing field (guns usually in the US, try going to an inner city public school for 2 years). Saddam sees this and that is what let him to develop those WMD, to equalize against a superior foe / bully A

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2002-11-20 Thread Mike Rosing
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Eric Cordian wrote: This of course is not a true tale, but an incredible simulation to make a point. Yeah, it was funny. Not sure what the point was... The earth currently has a population of just slightly over six billion people. This means that a 200 gigabyte drive

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2002-11-20 Thread Tyler Durden
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2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Mike Diehl wrote: Granted. I wish we could go back to isolationism, but as the worlds only remaining Super Power, that seems unlikely. No matter what we do, we simply can't win. Life isn't a football game, quite 'trying to win' and I think you'd find a lot of issues

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: Well, they have enough non-central leadership to all be against Israel and the US. And to have been at war against the Israelies since Bible times... OK, Mike, this is a good example of the kind of facts that lead to fairly easy (though erroneous)

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who'sne

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Mike Diehl wrote: And the middle east is the only place we meddle? I think not. But the middle east is the only place who has overtly attacked us. Revisionist, and incorrect, history. Somalia isn't in the middle east. Britian isn't in the middle east. Mexico isn't in

RE: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Wh o 's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Thoenen, Peter Mr. EPS
Minor opinion point: -Original Message- From: Mike Diehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 23:34 History didn't cause Sadam to start a Weopon of Mass Destruction program. These are all current events. Going to disagree with this one. This is

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who 's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Mike Diehl
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 03:06 pm, Trei, Peter wrote: Mike Diehl[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote You don't deny either of my surmises about your experience or lack thereof. I didn't find them relevent. My understanding of the facts doesn't matter. I was LOOKING for the

Re: 17 Cypherpunks subscribers on watch list, Project Lookout

2002-11-20 Thread Eric Cordian
Tim Spoofs: A company I am involved with has been on the distribution list for the FBI's Project Lookout watch list, the list being shared with banks, electronics companies, consulting firms, transportation companies, and 1100 other firms. Cross-indexing with the CP subscriber list, I

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who 's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Tyler Durden
Well, they have enough non-central leadership to all be against Israel and the US. And to have been at war against the Israelies since Bible times... OK, Mike, this is a good example of the kind of facts that lead to fairly easy (though erroneous) conclusions. Let's have some history here.

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: Damn what a pack of geeks! (Looks like I might end up liking this list!) When we say complete, are we talking about completeness in the Godelian sense? According to Godel, and formal system (except for the possibility of the oddballs mentioned

StartTLS for Opportunistic Email Encryption with Postfix

2002-11-20 Thread Eugen Leitl
as mentioned on the cryptography list http://www.homeport.org/~adam/starttls.html StartTLS for Opportunistic Email Encryption with Postfix Lots and lots of sites use StartTLS for encrypting local email, usually so that they can hide passwords when SMTP auth is used. But, StartTLS also gives

RE: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who 's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Mike Rosing
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: I just hope that Americans see this, and see that what they're going to get from this behavior isn't world domination, but either a genocide of half the planet, or a life in a bared wire world, with no freedom left, in a vain attempt to protect

Psuedo-Private Key (eJazeera)

2002-11-20 Thread Tyler Durden
Sorry to be a blabbermouth folks, but this one is interesting. Delete anything I've written in the last two days if ya' want. Here's something I've been thinking about for various reasons. I'm assuming this doesn't exist yet, but it's such an interesting idea I'm tempted to brush the dust off

Re: Psuedo-Private Key (eJazeera)

2002-11-20 Thread Keith Ray
Quoting Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]: WOULDN'T IT BE NICE...If the original encrypted message actually had TWO messages inside it, both very similar. In this example, one of the messages is the incriminating pictures of the demonstration, the other is pictures of Pam Anderson or

Onion Self-Censorship

2002-11-20 Thread Eric Cordian
Cable News is reporting that the Onion, America's Finest News Source, has pulled from its Web site an article on the recent siege at the Moscow theatre by Chechen rebels. Does anyone have a copy of the article they could post? I'd like to see what sorts of comments about terrorism are

Re: Onion Self-Censorship

2002-11-20 Thread Robbie Honerkamp
On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 12:01, Eric Cordian wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the article they could post? I'd like to see what sorts of comments about terrorism are unacceptable to publish, even as parody.

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Ben Laurie wrote: Jim Choate wrote: What I'd like to know is does Godel's apply to all forms of para-consistent logic as well It applies to any sufficiently complex axiomatic system. Allegedly. Actually it doesn't, it applied to 'complete' systems. There is -no-

RE: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who 's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Vincent Penquerc'h
Israeli tanks aren't the ONLY things that kill someone's kids. The whole region has been at war for 100's of years. If Israel backed You do realize that the whole world has been at war for hundreds of years, do you ? Israel is now the bully in the region, and is conforted in keeping this

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Tiarnan
MD == Mike Diehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MD And the middle east is the only place we meddle? I think not. MD But the middle east is the only place who has overtly attacked MD us. A minor point about grammar and logic: places don't attack, overtly or covertly, neither are they

How IRS/TIGTA shares information with FBI

2002-11-20 Thread Declan McCullagh
released today... http://www.gao.gov/cgi-bin/getrpt?GAO-03-50R

Re: Psuedo-Private Key (eJazeera)

2002-11-20 Thread Tyler Durden
From what I can grok this is not what I was looking for, but it IS a valuable tool. What I'm talking about, I think, would be better in certain scenarios, as a rubber-hose-holder can be made to THINK they have the real data, whereas in reality they have a clever fake. (eg, instead of the real

RE: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who 's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Trei, Peter
Tyler Durden[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: In school yard politics this edge is normally a weapon of some sort that can equalize the playing field (guns usually in the US, try going to an inner city public school for 2 years). Saddam sees this and that is what let him to develop

RMS on Treacherous Computing

2002-11-20 Thread Steve Mynott
Who should your computer take its orders from? Most people think their computers should obey them, not obey someone else. With a plan they call trusted computing, large media corporations (including the movie companies and record companies), together with computer companies such as Microsoft

Re: Psuedo-Private Key (eJazeera)

2002-11-20 Thread dmolnar
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: to have a big jpg of a hand with middle finger extended...) More than this, they will have unknowingly destroyed the real data. (Perhaps a 3rd key is needed that DOESN'T destroy the original data, just 'hides' it a la Rubberhose.) The question I've

Re: Psuedo-Private Key (eJazeera)

2002-11-20 Thread Tyler Durden
Well, the basic idea is to co-encrypt some fake data that looks like the real data, so that when they find it (using the key to the fake data of course) they'll figure you gave them the real key, because they won't know that there ever was a fake key leading to fake data. (And I suppose there's

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