Re: Privacy qua privacy (Was: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures...)

2002-12-19 Thread Adam Shostack
On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 04:56:12PM -0500, John Kelsey wrote: | At 12:53 PM 12/15/02 -0500, Adam Shostack wrote: | ... | >I think that a law which re-affirmed the rights to be anonymous, to | >call yourself what you will, to be left alone, to not carry or show ID | >would transform the debate about

Re: BigBrotherWare

2002-12-19 Thread Morlock Elloi
> Speculation: I expect the battles over cyberspace to shift to the OS, > with the leading private (non open source) OS makers "enlisted" in the > War Against Illegal Thoughts. The easiest initial front in this war, > one the OS companies like Apple and Microsoft have a corporate interest > in,

Re: [e-gold-list] Announcing Seagold.net: E-mail Privacy, Secure, Encrypted, accepts e-gold

2002-12-19 Thread Sunder
Yeah, except for the scummy multi level marketing and the rather expensive $25/month, it's nice, but I'm unsure how much nicer than say, hushmail :) --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\

RE: Using Brin to thwart ISP subpoenas

2002-12-19 Thread Trei, Peter
> Steve Schear[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > This crackpot idea is a follow-on to my suggestion for improving public > library privacy in the face of TLA inquiries. The basic notion here is > for > na ISP to allow all its premises to be bugged. Every room (except maybe > the restroom) by

Re: BigBrotherWare

2002-12-19 Thread Adam Shostack
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 10:54:57AM -0800, Tim May wrote: | (Much has been made of how the Microsoft- and Intel-backed security | regimes will be "opt in" or "voluntary." This seems dubious. It is | precisely the non-volunteers who these companies, and Hollywood, and | the Nation States, will be

Re: BigBrotherWare

2002-12-19 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 12:29 PM, Michael Motyka wrote: I believe that the primary battle, subversion of the proprietary OS and mainstream applications for intelligence purposes, was over before we even thought about fighting it. Now the commercial interests are being brought into

Using Brin to thwart ISP subpoenas

2002-12-19 Thread Steve Schear
This crackpot idea is a follow-on to my suggestion for improving public library privacy in the face of TLA inquiries. The basic notion here is for na ISP to allow all its premises to be bugged. Every room (except maybe the restroom) by its clients (or their proxies). All communication could

Re: To Marcel Popescu On the Interventionist pseudo-Libs

2002-12-19 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 18 Dec 2002 at 9:50, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > Yeah, the Objectivists (TM) seem to have been taken over by > militant zionist interventionists too. Of all the advanced states, Israel is arguably the one that accords least with Objectivist ideals. It is nominally socialist in land

Re: BigBrotherWare

2002-12-19 Thread Michael Motyka
I believe that the primary battle, subversion of the proprietary OS and mainstream applications for intelligence purposes, was over before we even thought about fighting it. Now the commercial interests are being brought into the fold. M

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-19 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 09:53 AM, Michael Motyka wrote: My intuition is that the government is going to be slightly fairer than, for example, Disney. That's just a guess, though. Bruce With an emphasis on "slightly" I might tend to agree but it looks more like the difference betw

BigBrotherWare

2002-12-19 Thread Tim May
I just noticed a disclaimer in a t.v. ad for H-P computers. "Intended only for lawful uses." at the bottom of the screen towards the end of the commercial. Strange. Why would H-P or any other computer company feel the need to include this warning/disclaimer? Worries about legal actions against

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-19 Thread Michael Motyka
>My intuition is that the government is going to be slightly fairer than, >for example, Disney. That's just a guess, though. > >Bruce > With an emphasis on "slightly" I might tend to agree but it looks more like the difference between liver cancer and kidney failure than it does the difference

Re: BigBrotherWare

2002-12-19 Thread Mike Rosing
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote: > I just noticed a disclaimer in a t.v. ad for H-P computers. > > "Intended only for lawful uses." at the bottom of the screen towards > the end of the commercial. > > Strange. Why would H-P or any other computer company feel the need to > include this warning/d

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-19 Thread Mike Rosing
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Michael Motyka wrote: > As I age I find my eyesight is changing and I have a tougher time discerning > government from corporate entities. ( en what? ). Who writes our legislation? Who > controls what is said in our mass media? Dumbing down the population so that when > they p

Hundreds of Muslim Immigrants Rounded Up in Calif.

2002-12-19 Thread R. A. Hettinga
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=564&u=/nm/20021219/ts_nm/attack_immigration_dc_3 Reuters Yahoo! News Thu, Dec 19, 2002 Hundreds of Muslim Immigrants Rounded Up in Calif. Wed Dec 18, 8:47 PM ET By Jill Serjeant LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Hundreds of Iranian and othe

Re: Hundreds of Muslim Immigrants Rounded Up in Calif.

2002-12-19 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 11:01 AM 12/19/02 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: >Hundreds of Muslim Immigrants Rounded Up in Calif. What, did you think the Park Service was renovating Manzanera for yucks?

More than just talking without being snooped upon...

2002-12-19 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 10:31 PM, Anonymous wrote: And again, who cares WHAT happens to governments, as long as I can say what I want to whomever I want without worry about it being snooped on. And there's no way they can stop that now, just make things suck a little until they

Bruce Schneier hullabaloo

2002-12-19 Thread Anonymous
This is what I was talking about when I said, "what does it matter?" Why does anyone even THINK that Bruce Schneier should be informed on the issue of governments and justice? And the fact that he opened his yapper about a subject he's apparently thought about for 15 minutes should be no suprise

War for drugs...

2002-12-19 Thread Anonymous
>> Yeah--you got it--Poppies...and now that the Warlords are back in >> charge the cash crop is back. >Remember that it was the US which encouraged the Taliban to crack down >on the >cultivation of Afghanistan poppies. A gift of several million US >dollars convinced the Taliban to ban the farming