On Friday, 30 October 2015 at 06:04:48 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
Why would someone capable as Sarah Sharp would join the train
is a mystery, but not all mystery are worth spending time
solving.
Judging by her post, she tried to force her behavioral standards
on the Linux kernel community and did
On Thursday, 29 October 2015 at 23:27:47 UTC, Jakob Bornecrantz
wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 October 2015 at 17:13:27 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
http://sarah.thesharps.us/2015/10/05/closing-a-door/
https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/38136.html
These are different times.
Yup, professional victim use to not b
On Thursday, 29 October 2015 at 23:49:08 UTC, Jakob Bornecrantz
wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 October 2015 at 17:36:03 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 10/28/2015 2:12 AM, Jakob Bornecrantz wrote:
You are not in good company tho. Even the page you link to
says
nobody else could or should say stuff like
On 10/29/15 7:49 PM, Jakob Bornecrantz wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 October 2015 at 17:36:03 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 10/28/2015 2:12 AM, Jakob Bornecrantz wrote:
You are not in good company tho. Even the page you link to says
nobody else could or should say stuff like that.
And attitudes like
On Wednesday, 28 October 2015 at 17:36:03 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 10/28/2015 2:12 AM, Jakob Bornecrantz wrote:
You are not in good company tho. Even the page you link to says
nobody else could or should say stuff like that.
And attitudes like that will only disurage people from trying
to
On Wednesday, 28 October 2015 at 17:13:27 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
http://sarah.thesharps.us/2015/10/05/closing-a-door/
https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/38136.html
These are different times.
Yup, professional victim use to not be a viable career path.
What do you mean?
Cheers, Jakob.
On Wednesday, 28 October 2015 at 17:36:03 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
I did not mean that absence of a Code of Conduct is license to
abuse others. Just that a CoC is itself insulting,
paternalistic, and not a solution.
I believe it can be understood, because asocial people are left
to deal with
On Wednesday, 28 October 2015 at 17:38:49 UTC, David DeWitt wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 October 2015 at 17:13:27 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 October 2015 at 09:12:55 UTC, Jakob
Bornecrantz wrote:
You are not in good company tho. Even the page you link to
says
nobody else could or should
On 10/28/2015 2:12 AM, Jakob Bornecrantz wrote:
You are not in good company tho. Even the page you link to says
nobody else could or should say stuff like that.
And attitudes like that will only disurage people from trying to
improve this community.
http://sarah.thesharps.us/2015/10/05/closing-
On Wednesday, 28 October 2015 at 17:13:27 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 October 2015 at 09:12:55 UTC, Jakob
Bornecrantz wrote:
You are not in good company tho. Even the page you link to says
nobody else could or should say stuff like that.
Quick, call the thought police !
And attitu
On Wednesday, 28 October 2015 at 09:12:55 UTC, Jakob Bornecrantz
wrote:
You are not in good company tho. Even the page you link to says
nobody else could or should say stuff like that.
Quick, call the thought police !
And attitudes like that will only disurage people from trying to
improve t
On Wednesday, 28 October 2015 at 08:36:07 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 10/13/2015 12:13 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
On 10/13/2015 6:36 AM, Daniel Kozak wrote:
lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2015-October/091218.html
Maybe we could have something similar in D community
No. People who need to b
On Wednesday, 28 October 2015 at 08:36:07 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 10/13/2015 12:13 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
On 10/13/2015 6:36 AM, Daniel Kozak wrote:
lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2015-October/091218.html
Maybe we could have something similar in D community
No. People who need to b
On 10/13/2015 12:13 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
On 10/13/2015 6:36 AM, Daniel Kozak wrote:
lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2015-October/091218.html
Maybe we could have something similar in D community
No. People who need to be told what decent behavior is won't pay attention to
such a document
On Wednesday, 21 October 2015 at 18:56:25 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
wrote:
LOL. Yeah. That's a pretty epic change of topic; it's not even
_close_ to the original anymore.
How about this D Code of Conduct: do the stuff.
On 21 October 2015 at 20:36, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d <
digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
> The thread topic has wandered so far from "Code of Conduct" that nobody
> will ever find this current discussion. Perhaps start a new thread?
>
If only we had a Code of Conduct for derailing threa
On Wednesday, 21 October 2015 at 18:38:34 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
The thread topic has wandered so far from "Code of Conduct"
that nobody will ever find this current discussion. Perhaps
start a new thread?
LOL. Yeah. That's a pretty epic change of topic; it's not even
_close_ to the origina
The thread topic has wandered so far from "Code of Conduct" that nobody will
ever find this current discussion. Perhaps start a new thread?
On 21 October 2015 at 10:26, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d <
digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 21 October 2015 at 08:06:34 UTC, Johannes Pfau wrote:
>
>> It might make sense to reconsider upstreaming our inline ASM code. I
>> think the main reason we didn't do that yet was t
On Wednesday, 21 October 2015 at 08:06:34 UTC, Johannes Pfau
wrote:
It might make sense to reconsider upstreaming our inline ASM
code. I think the main reason we didn't do that yet was that
the druntime developers think of druntime as a compiler
specific library anyway. And then there's no use
Am Tue, 20 Oct 2015 22:02:17 +0200
schrieb Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d :
> On 20 October 2015 at 20:44, Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d <
> digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, 19 October 2015 at 21:24:00 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
> >
> >> In order:
> >> You are responsible
On Tuesday, 20 October 2015 at 20:02:26 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
What can I say? We have a lot of faith in our porters. :-)
You can talk to me if you run into any problems, because I'm
certainly more *aware* of porting and portability than most
other druntime and compiler maintainers. Howeve
On 20 October 2015 at 20:44, Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d <
digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
> On Monday, 19 October 2015 at 21:24:00 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
>
>> In order:
>> You are responsible, the library maintainers (I chip in a bit on the side
>> when I have the hardware / virtual
On Monday, 19 October 2015 at 21:24:00 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
In order:
You are responsible, the library maintainers (I chip in a bit
on the side
when I have the hardware / virtual environment).
You are responsible, the authors and reviewers of the testsuite
and
unittests.
Who is this "You
On Monday, 19 October 2015 at 20:47:55 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev
wrote:
No, not just the runtime. Surely the runtime contains some
compiler/linker/toolchain-specific things... intrinsics, linker
scripts, section names, predefined versions, assembler
syntax... some of these might be
platform/arch
On 19 Oct 2015 11:15 pm, "Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d" <
digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
>
> On Monday, 19 October 2015 at 20:59:37 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
>>
>> As a compiler (and only a frontend language at that) I care very little
about any of that. Apart from predefined versions w
On Monday, 19 October 2015 at 20:59:37 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
As a compiler (and only a frontend language at that) I care
very little about any of that. Apart from predefined versions
which are exposed to the language user code, making the rest
work is Someone Else's Problem™
That's what I
On 19 Oct 2015 10:50 pm, "Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d" <
digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
>
> On Sunday, 18 October 2015 at 07:56:02 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
>>
>> On 18 Oct 2015 9:45 am, "Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d" <
digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday,
On Sunday, 18 October 2015 at 07:56:02 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
On 18 Oct 2015 9:45 am, "Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d"
< digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
On Sunday, 18 October 2015 at 07:37:55 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
Essentially, the reason D has not been ported to X has
nothing to
On Sunday, 18 October 2015 at 16:00:11 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2015-10-18 09:55, Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d wrote:
In it's runtime? Correct - assuming no one invents any new
predefined
version conditions in the process. :-)
I'm pretty sure Dan has added/is planning to add new versio
On 2015-10-18 09:55, Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d wrote:
In it's runtime? Correct - assuming no one invents any new predefined
version conditions in the process. :-)
I'm pretty sure Dan has added/is planning to add new version identifiers
for iOS. It might be that the OSX version identifier
Am Sun, 18 Oct 2015 09:55:52 +0200
schrieb Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d :
> On 18 Oct 2015 9:45 am, "Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d" <
> digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sunday, 18 October 2015 at 07:37:55 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
> >>
> >> Essentially, the reason D has not b
On 18 Oct 2015 9:45 am, "Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d" <
digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
>
> On Sunday, 18 October 2015 at 07:37:55 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
>>
>> Essentially, the reason D has not been ported to X has nothing to do
with lack of compiler support. A compiler can always be
On Sunday, 18 October 2015 at 07:37:55 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
Essentially, the reason D has not been ported to X has nothing
to do with lack of compiler support. A compiler can always be
built to target X, and if that wasn't enough, there are many
ready built packages available that target X.
On 17 Oct 2015 11:25 pm, "Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d" <
digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
>
> On Saturday, 17 October 2015 at 16:55:06 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>>
>> On Saturday, 17 October 2015 at 16:38:29 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>>
>>> Fantastic!
>>>
>>> Could you please send a PR
On Sunday, 18 October 2015 at 04:13:56 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev
wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I'm as excited about this as anyone, but at
the same time I don't want people mocking us for claiming
support when what we have is a proof-of-concept provided by a
third-party fork.
To elaborate on this
On Sunday, 18 October 2015 at 04:05:59 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
On 10/18/15 2:57 AM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
I think we are good as we are right now. There is an "others"
link on
the download page, so people interested in support for less
common or
less supported platforms can find sa
On Sunday, 18 October 2015 at 04:05:59 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
On 10/18/15 2:57 AM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
I think we are good as we are right now. There is an "others"
link on
the download page, so people interested in support for less
common or
less supported platforms can find sa
On 10/18/15 2:57 AM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
I think we are good as we are right now. There is an "others" link on
the download page, so people interested in support for less common or
less supported platforms can find said information on the wiki.
Mobile support is huge, and one of the first
On Saturday, 17 October 2015 at 23:42:01 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 10/17/2015 2:24 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
I wish the extent of platform support for GDC and LDC was
clearer. I
decided not to list any platforms on D's download page unless
support
for those platforms was rock-solid and
On 10/17/2015 2:24 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
I wish the extent of platform support for GDC and LDC was clearer. I
decided not to list any platforms on D's download page unless support
for those platforms was rock-solid and is expected to work.
At least at that time, iOS and Android support,
On 10/17/2015 2:03 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 10/17/15 7:55 PM, Joakim wrote:
On Saturday, 17 October 2015 at 16:38:29 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Fantastic!
Could you please send a PR to upgrade http://dlang.org/download.html
so it lists the iOS and (later) Android downloads? Even
On Saturday, 17 October 2015 at 16:55:06 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Saturday, 17 October 2015 at 16:38:29 UTC, Andrei
Alexandrescu wrote:
Fantastic!
Could you please send a PR to upgrade
http://dlang.org/download.html so it lists the iOS and (later)
Android downloads? Even I didn't know ldc has an
On 10/17/15 7:55 PM, Joakim wrote:
On Saturday, 17 October 2015 at 16:38:29 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Fantastic!
Could you please send a PR to upgrade http://dlang.org/download.html
so it lists the iOS and (later) Android downloads? Even I didn't know
ldc has an iOS download! -- Andrei
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 08:29:18 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
On Thursday, 15 October 2015 at 09:09:22 UTC, Chris wrote:
I agree with logicchains. The impression people have is
exactly this. Go = neat and tidy, D = mess.
Do people have the same impression from generic code in Go?
Crutches help
On Saturday, 17 October 2015 at 16:38:29 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
Fantastic!
Could you please send a PR to upgrade
http://dlang.org/download.html so it lists the iOS and (later)
Android downloads? Even I didn't know ldc has an iOS download!
-- Andrei
Will do. Support for both platfo
On Saturday, 17 October 2015 at 14:37:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 10:25:07 UTC, Chris wrote:
Apart from that, I think the fact that D is still not fit for
mobile platforms is a huge drawback. Loads of people want
apps, loads of people have some sort of smart phone, table
On 10/17/15 5:37 PM, Joakim wrote:
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 10:25:07 UTC, Chris wrote:
Apart from that, I think the fact that D is still not fit for mobile
platforms is a huge drawback. Loads of people want apps, loads of
people have some sort of smart phone, tablet or whatever. Sometimes I
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 10:25:07 UTC, Chris wrote:
Apart from that, I think the fact that D is still not fit for
mobile platforms is a huge drawback. Loads of people want apps,
loads of people have some sort of smart phone, tablet or
whatever. Sometimes I think that we're getting sucked i
On 2015-10-16 12:27, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
The areas I consider incomplete:
* Language definition, e.g. "shared".
* Language definition _writeup_, we need to be a lot more precise than
we currently are.
* Process for introducing new features, i.e. right now we seem to have
some of the draw
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 14:36:55 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 10:25:07 UTC, Chris wrote:
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 08:29:18 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
On Thursday, 15 October 2015 at 09:09:22 UTC, Chris wrote:
[...]
Do people have the same impression from generi
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 14:36:55 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
Fwiw I think it's okay on ARM linux. I have compiled and run
small programs on my phone (a oneplusone). Thanks to dicebot
you can just install with yaourt. That's not what you meant of
course, and Android ARM seems a little
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 10:25:07 UTC, Chris wrote:
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 08:29:18 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
On Thursday, 15 October 2015 at 09:09:22 UTC, Chris wrote:
I agree with logicchains. The impression people have is
exactly this. Go = neat and tidy, D = mess.
Do people have the
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 12:01:07 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 10:25:07 UTC, Chris wrote:
Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but mobile is not yet
100%.
Ah, that? But lack of support is not a mess, it's a clear, neat
and tidy lack of 100% support for ARM.
I didn'
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 10:25:07 UTC, Chris wrote:
Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but mobile is not yet 100%.
Ah, that? But lack of support is not a mess, it's a clear, neat
and tidy lack of 100% support for ARM.
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 08:29:18 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
On Thursday, 15 October 2015 at 09:09:22 UTC, Chris wrote:
I agree with logicchains. The impression people have is
exactly this. Go = neat and tidy, D = mess.
Do people have the same impression from generic code in Go?
It doesn't mat
On 10/16/15 11:03 AM, German Diago wrote:
- Garbage collector. I think there was a plan for Phobos without GC, but...
what about the run-time, can be disabled? I am not sure this meets the
requirements of some embedded devices I work/have worked with.
- Memory-control: Allocators. I saw this has
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 09:01:41 UTC, German Diago wrote:
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 08:58:25 UTC, John Colvin wrote:
void main() @nogc
{
// try stuff out
}
Thanks for the tip. Is this 100% reliable?
As far as I know, yes. @nogc can be put on any function and
will guarantee tha
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 08:58:25 UTC, John Colvin wrote:
void main() @nogc
{
// try stuff out
}
Thanks for the tip. Is this 100% reliable?
As far as I know, yes. @nogc can be put on any function and
will guarantee that no GC code will run inside that function or
anything else it c
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 08:43:12 UTC, German Diago wrote:
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 08:11:18 UTC, John Colvin wrote:
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 08:03:06 UTC, German Diago wrote:
[...]
Just a small note FYI, there's an easy way to get a feel for
the current state of GC reliance:
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 08:11:18 UTC, John Colvin wrote:
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 08:03:06 UTC, German Diago wrote:
[...]
Just a small note FYI, there's an easy way to get a feel for
the current state of GC reliance:
void main() @nogc
{
// try stuff out
}
Thanks for the tip
On Thursday, 15 October 2015 at 09:09:22 UTC, Chris wrote:
I agree with logicchains. The impression people have is exactly
this. Go = neat and tidy, D = mess.
Do people have the same impression from generic code in Go?
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 08:03:06 UTC, German Diago wrote:
[...]
Just a small note FYI, there's an easy way to get a feel for the
current state of GC reliance:
void main() @nogc
{
// try stuff out
}
On Thursday, 15 October 2015 at 10:24:34 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
I would agree that we're less polished than Go and other
languages. This is something we need to work on - just show the
world a completely defined and implemented language. -- Andrei
Hello Andrei. A bit off-topic, but,
y
On Thursday, 15 October 2015 at 09:09:22 UTC, Chris wrote:
I agree with logicchains. The impression people have is exactly
this. Go = neat and tidy, D = mess. This has nothing to do with
whether Go is actually finished and tidy or not.
The core Go language specification is finished, implemente
On Thursday, 15 October 2015 at 19:16:08 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
Making a roadmap when you don't have people you pay to stick to
it doesn't really work. It's like trying to transport frogs
using a wheelbarrel.
s/barrel/barrow/
On Thursday, 15 October 2015 at 18:38:38 UTC, Charles Pritchard
wrote:
On Thursday, 15 October 2015 at 10:24:34 UTC, Andrei
Alexandrescu wrote:
On 10/15/15 11:11 AM, Kagamin wrote:
On Thursday, 15 October 2015 at 06:36:32 UTC, logicchains
wrote:
Even if it's not entirely logical, all these unfi
On Thursday, 15 October 2015 at 10:24:34 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
On 10/15/15 11:11 AM, Kagamin wrote:
On Thursday, 15 October 2015 at 06:36:32 UTC, logicchains
wrote:
Even if it's not entirely logical, all these unfinished
aspects can
add up to produce a less positive aesthetic impressi
On 10/15/15 11:11 AM, Kagamin wrote:
On Thursday, 15 October 2015 at 06:36:32 UTC, logicchains wrote:
Even if it's not entirely logical, all these unfinished aspects can
add up to produce a less positive aesthetic impression of the language
compared to a language that comes across as more polish
On Thursday, 15 October 2015 at 08:11:20 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
On Thursday, 15 October 2015 at 06:36:32 UTC, logicchains wrote:
Even if it's not entirely logical, all these unfinished
aspects can add up to produce a less positive aesthetic
impression of the language compared to a language that co
On Thursday, 15 October 2015 at 06:36:32 UTC, logicchains wrote:
Even if it's not entirely logical, all these unfinished aspects
can add up to produce a less positive aesthetic impression of
the language compared to a language that comes across as more
polished.
If go is finished, why there's
On Wednesday, 14 October 2015 at 16:07:01 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Wednesday, 14 October 2015 at 13:21:28 UTC, logicchains
wrote:
On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 at 19:13:07 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 10/13/2015 6:36 AM, Daniel Kozak wrote:
lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2015-October/091218.html
On Wednesday, 14 October 2015 at 13:21:28 UTC, logicchains wrote:
On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 at 19:13:07 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 10/13/2015 6:36 AM, Daniel Kozak wrote:
lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2015-October/091218.html
Maybe we could have something similar in D community
No. P
On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 at 19:13:07 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 10/13/2015 6:36 AM, Daniel Kozak wrote:
lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2015-October/091218.html
Maybe we could have something similar in D community
No. People who need to be told what decent behavior is won't
pay attent
On Wednesday, 14 October 2015 at 09:50:31 UTC, Marc Schütz wrote:
On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 at 19:13:07 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 10/13/2015 6:36 AM, Daniel Kozak wrote:
lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2015-October/091218.html
Maybe we could have something similar in D community
No. P
On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 at 19:13:07 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 10/13/2015 6:36 AM, Daniel Kozak wrote:
lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2015-October/091218.html
Maybe we could have something similar in D community
No. People who need to be told what decent behavior is won't
pay attent
On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 at 19:13:07 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 10/13/2015 6:36 AM, Daniel Kozak wrote:
lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2015-October/091218.html
Maybe we could have something similar in D community
No. People who need to be told what decent behavior is won't
pay attent
On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 at 19:13:07 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 10/13/2015 6:36 AM, Daniel Kozak wrote:
lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2015-October/091218.html
Maybe we could have something similar in D community
No. People who need to be told what decent behavior is won't
pay attent
On 10/13/2015 6:36 AM, Daniel Kozak wrote:
lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2015-October/091218.html
Maybe we could have something similar in D community
No. People who need to be told what decent behavior is won't pay
attention to such a document.
lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2015-October/091218.html
Maybe we could have something similar in D community
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