Fops,
Karen asked some time ago about regenerating the html docs on the web
site. I didn't notice an answer to that one. How is it done?
Peter
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I have been thinking for some time now about the difficulty of doing
distributed design; i.e., co-ordinating design thinking in OS projects
with widely separated designers, and others who may like to make
suggestions. For a start, I think that intermittent email communication
is
Arved,
4.9.6 Layering and Conflict of Marks
has
If A and B are areas with the same stacking layer, the backgrounds of A
and B come beneath all other marks generated by A and B. Further, if A
is an ancestor of B (still with the same stacking layer), then the
background of A is
Keiron,
Ok, I forgot. Again.
Peter
Keiron Liddle wrote:
this should answer you:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=fop-devm=101644341904851w=2
the html is committed into cvs, then a cvs up is done on the live
website cvs (xml.apache.org).
Arved Sandstrom wrote:
Not at all, to the first. I've been using DHCP on Windows and Linux for
quite a while and CVS over SSH has not involved any aggro with respect to
.rhosts. Once you've got your public/private key pair created, and you've
uploaded your public key (and placed it into
Keiron,
That would be just a matter of associating a value with the keep. The
main thing about the approach I outlined is to provide a structure which
allows keeps (and stacking constraints) to be expressed more readily.
Incidentally, speaking of min/opt/max values, my feeling is that, in a
Soothed Foperators,
I have been looking for a while, like everybody else, at keeps. I was
looking for a way to unify the processing of keeps and breaks at the
layout level. Breaks are easy enough; just create column-break and
page-break pseudo-area and insert into the galley as a sibling of
Folks,
Please indulge my ignorance again. May I assume that it is not possible
to run two main()s in the same VM?
From this discussion so far I have gained much more insight into the
nervousness about statics. Is the problem that servers want to execute
multiple instances of classes
Joerg,
Thanks, it does answer my questions, and raises a few others. I'm
heartened by this, because what you have described is the inappropriate
use of global data in a multi-threaded context. I'm interested because
I like statics. They are smaller and faster; what's not to like?
Before
Keiron,
I await the result of the vote, but I am grateful for the nomination,
and would be happy to accept.
Let me say that anyone who has monitored the Mulberry XSL list over the
last 18 months will be aware of just how prolific, knowledgeable and
innovative Joerg is in this area.
Peter
Please excuse my ignorance of these issues, but what mechanisms would
folks expect to use to set per-invocation configurations for FOP?
Peter
Chaumette, Patrick wrote:
Thanks for the infos,
also got this from Arnd
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One problem you may run across is that configuration in
Keiron,
Here's how the RCS works.
$ rlog names
RCS file: names,v
Working file: names
head: 1.2
branch:
locks: strict
access list:
symbolic names:
Rel_1: 1.1.1.2
RC1: 1.2.1.3
Rel: 1.1.1
Dev: 1.2.1
Base: 1.1
keyword substitution: kv
total revisions: 7;
for the version of a product.
You still need to change something to make this update anyway.
On 2002.04.05 00:44 Peter B. West wrote:
Keiron,
I don't know the nuts and bolts of CVS, but I always assumed that
tags were somehow related to the RCS symbolic name, accessible via
$Name$. $Name$ has some
Arved,
Obviously, I share many of your attitudes to properties, but I differ in
one respect. I think of properties not as rich, but as impoverished.
To me, they are just associations of names with values. The richness
lies in their treatment in the process of layout, where all of those
:
On 2002.04.03 18:23 Peter B. West wrote:
There are a couple of other things which encourage the separation of
source and build.source trees. They involve the use of copy
filtering in ant. Version information is, I think, supplied by ant
via the build.xml file. This vile and disgusting habit
Fops,
I would like to see the build system overhauled. The overall objectives
of the overhaul would be to simplify the build process and decrease
barriers to entry for would-be developers. The tactical objectives
would be to eliminate XSL from the build, and to generate the classes
Keiron has committed for me some additions to the ALT DESIGN
documentation, which resides under the NEW DESIGN item in the FOP web
pages. These should be available shortly.
The new items include discussion on
co-routines (some changes still pending)
galleys
footnotes
Some of this discussion
Arved or Keiron,
Attached are diffs for xml-fop/docs/design/alt.design/alt.properties.xml
and xml-fop/docs/design/alt.design/book.xml.
A previous email included new files for the design/alt.design directory.
Peter
Index: alt.properties.xml
Arved or Keiron,
Attached are new files for the xml-fop/docs/design/alt.design directory.
They are in 1 of 2 .tgz files. This one contains
compound-properties.xml
coroutines.png
coroutines.xml
footnotes.xml
galley-preprocessing.png
galleys.xml
initial-column-values.png
Some diffs for other
Arved or Keiron,
Attached are new files for the xml-fop/docs/design/alt.design directory.
They are in 2 of 2 .tgz files. This one contains
line-area-5.png
line-area-6.png
traits.xml
Some diffs for other files have also been sent.
Peter
alt.design.2.tgz
Description: GNU Zip compressed
When someone offends against netiquette, I should think that
garden-variety etiquette would decree that you post your complaints to
that individual. If he (resp. she) continues to offend, then try the
public humiliation of which netizens seem so fond. That public rebuke
could legitimately
Joerg,
You have highlighted one of the nastinesses of page formatting. A QD
solution often suggested is to allow a fixed width for the page numbers,
but I don't see how this can stand as a final solution. The gaps are
going to be obvious in something purporting to be a high-quality
Keiron Liddle wrote:
...
To serialize between the Area Tree and the Renderers there are some
serious problems that would get in the way:
- in many cases the area tree will need to be complete before sending
anything across, this defeats the whole purpose and will use a lot of
memory
-
Fops,
Re my prior message, I received this response. Nice to know someone's
mail is carefully monitored.
Peter
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Bertrand,
See below...
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Saturday 16 March 2002 14:52, Peter B. West wrote:
. . .
The last stage of the FOP process translates one page
description (the area tree) into another (the input to the target
renderer.)
ok
So why would anyone want to interpose another
Bertrand,
There's another gotcha - markers. The properties in markers are
resolved relative to the retrieve-marker invocation point.
Peter
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Monday 18 March 2002 13:37, Peter B. West wrote:
The big problem is in defining the p.res step. How far do you need
Arved,
After Karen's post on her updates I checked the repository, and I note
that you have installed the alt.design and understanding directories.
Many thanks to you and to Cyril.
Attached are cvs diff -u output files for xml-fop/build.xml and
xml-fop/docs/design/book.xml whcih will bring
My comments earlier about the area tree and page description languages
have started me thinking about the topic. The way I see it, there's no
daylight between the area tree and the renderer(s). I was talking about
the output from the area tree being a PDL, but Postscript and PDF are
page
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
From: Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There is very active development on FO Tree building, property
resolution and layout models. A lot of that development is desisn
speculation, such as the design notes I have been posting, and there is
also a fair bit of code, all
Nicola,
Comments interspersed.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
From: Keiron Liddle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There was a notice of this a number of months ago. Admittedly we have it
the other way around. Maintenance releases are made from a branch. So the
main branch is where the active development is
Keiron Liddle wrote:
On 2002.03.14 09:00 Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
What I would like to see, is that FOP stops discussing about the
logging,
resolving, pipelineing and stuff and starts to focus on the core
functionality.
IMHO, the best way to get this thing going *quick* is to use Cocoon
Bertrand,
Aside from my low opinion of SAX for process coupling, there should be
no need for communication back from the renderer. The Area Tree should
just give orders to the renderer. All of the layout decisions have been
made by the time the Area Tree is constructed. The feedback is
Fops and others,
What's the opinion on whether an assignment to a compound qualifies for
from-nearest-specified-value() on one of the components? My attitude
would be that it does qualify because of the implicit assignment to the
component.
Peter
Nicola,
I think there are a few issues to be considered here. Essentially, what
is FOP?
There may be a number of requirements of an XSL-FO processor. The basic
one is, Show me this on a page or screen. Any kind of renderer, using
any approach whatsoever, will achieve this, more or less.
Dear Fops,
I'm naïve about serialization (among other things.) Can anyone tell me
whether it is possible to serialize an instance of an inner class
without implicitly serializing the containing class instance?
Peter
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The editors,
7.16.5 text-shadow has offsets defined in terms of horizontal
distance to the right and vertical distance below the text.
The section also specifies:
Inherited: no, see prose
There is no mention of inheritance in the prose of section 7.16.5.
7.16.4 text-decoration, likewise,
Polly,
You are not the first, nor will you be the last, to be thrown by this.
All of the work of the Options object is done in the constructor. You
don't have to do anything more with it. It sets up a lot of static
data, accessible by static methods, in a Configuration class. Have a
look
Cyril Rognon has been tracking Keiron's notes on Understanding FOP, and
keeping me up to date with them. I am about to send him some minor
corrections. However, neither Cyril nor I have access to the CVS for
update. Keiron is busy with other things, so I would to be able to
direct Cyril's
send addtions to, and edits of, his stuff
and my notes directly to you?
Peter
Arved Sandstrom wrote:
I can do this. Just let me know what branch it's for and any extra
processing involved.
AHS
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Arved,
As I read the spec, the diference is that [i]t is an error if this
property is not an inherited property, for inherited-property-value().
For from-parent(), it is the value of that property on the parent,
regardless of inheritance. This is consistent with the handling of
shorthands.
Jeremias,
Jeremias Maerki wrote:
Peter
(comments inline)
In config.xml:
entry
keyuserConfigFileName/key
valueuserconfig.xml/value
/entry
Ok, that means FOP looks in the current directory for userconfig.xml.
I can agree with that. I guess there are pros and cons: This mechanism
Jeremias,
Jeremias Maerki wrote:
Hi Peter
...
You'll have to create a GUI or use OS X. :-) Well, that leads me to the
question: What are you actually trying to do? We're talking about
solutions here, but not what you need them for (I think).
There's a very useful discussion going on about
As Cyril pointed out, this went to the wrong list.
Peter
Jeremias,
Pardon my ignorance, but could you sketch out the nature of the problem
for me?
I ask in particular because the current situation is dirty. There is a
lot of talk going on about the plumbing, which is generally over my
Jeremias Maerki wrote:
Hmm, why not? What would your default entry in the system config be (or
better: where does it look for the userconfig by default)?
Jeremias,
In config.xml:
entry
keyuserConfigFileName/key
valueuserconfig.xml/value
/entry
entry
Arved et al,
To clarify further: there are three re-design efforts going on. Keiron
Karen in Java, building on the existing code base. Arved doing a
ground-up redesign in Perl (protptyping) and C or C++, as he has
discussed. Me, in Java, doing a ground-up.
Do not despair. If Flannery
titleImplementing footnotes/title
authors
person name=Peter B. West email=[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
/authors
/header
body
!-- one of (anchor s1) --
s1 title=Implementing footnotes in FOP
p
Footnotes present difficulties for page layout primarily
because their point of invocation
Keiron Liddle wrote:
...
By using element mappings it is possible to read other XML and either
- set information on the area tree
- create pseudo FO Objects that create areas in the area tree
- create FO Objects
** Mapping elements to classes?
I'm not sure what the question is.
SYSTEM ../../xml-docs/dtd/document-v10.dtd
--
document
header
titleImplementing co-routines/title
authors
person name=Peter B. West email=[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
/authors
/header
body
!-- one of (anchor s1) --
s1 title=Implementing Co-routines in FOP
p
All general
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The other thing I've worked on is in the actual LayoutManager logic.
I've got this concept of a BreakPosition and have some code written at
the inline level (text, inline, line). The idea is that instead of an LM
calling generateAreas on its child LM, it repeatedly calls
Christian Geisert wrote:
Ok, I'll do it .. but it's to late for 0.20.3rc2 (which is already
on icarus, waiting for Arved to move it to daedalus)
Oops! I hope icarus is not on Solaris. It will go down any time now.
Peter
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Sunday 17 February 2002 06:07, Peter B. West wrote:
. . .
FOTree maintains the property stacks with the initial value, current
value and history of the properties being defined on elements of the
FO Tree. It also implements Runnable, and its run() method
For those of you who were here when my Tree class was discussed, here is
the latest on the integration of that datastructure into the expression
of the FO Tree.
The initial structure is a Tree class with a member class Node. (Node
itself has a number of Iterator member classes.) Class
Karen,
It's good to hear from you. In answer to your question, Yes please,
personally speaking. I would like to hear, inter alia, about the timing
of property resolution.
Peter
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I'm happy to see that we seem to be getting some new blood in the group
and I applaud
Keiron,
Some questions below.
Keiron Liddle wrote:
FO Tree
---
The FO Tree is a representation of the XSL:FO document. This represents
the steps Objectify from the spec. The Refinement step is part of reading
and using the properties which may happen immediately or during the
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Subject: Inheritance from the layout-master-set
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:10:52 +1000
From: Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The editors,
Could you please clarify for me the role of properties defined on
elements
Bernard,
What sort of structure does rtf exhibit? Is it a page-based structure,
or is it divided, like xslfo, into page definitions and flows? This is
a critical difference as far as the design goes. From what you say
below, it seems to rely on a flow-based model.
Peter
Keiron Liddle
This was in the final PR, at least, and it is a piece of syntactical
nastiness which comes to us from CSS. Not only is the font-family value
a comma-separated list of indeterminate length, but individual names may
include spaces, and such names need not be quoted. Syntax like this
makes
Do we have a volunteer to track Keiron's tutorials and turn them into
web page documentation?
Keiron has recently extended the documentation generation on the CVS
trunk to make this process a bit easier. Keiron tells me that Apache is
readying a major overhaul of its web site and xml-html
Matthew L. Avizinis wrote:
Well, now that I consider it more, I have to say that I guess I am just used
to a corporate way of developing software that has a definite
administrative structure and plan of action with people assigned specific
tasks. Since I've never worked on an Open Source
Matthew,
Yes, we're all entitled to a little ranting now and then. So I'll rant
a little, and end with a few practical suggestions.
As to who's in charge: Arved is the man, but Arved has recently started
a new job, so you can imagine what his current situation is.
Nonetheless, he is
Keiron,
Welcome back. Been on holidays?
Looking at the number of people who have expressed an interest in being
of some help, I thought it might be of some use for you or Karen, or
both, to run a school. I appreciate that many of the thorny problems
with fop require the redesign, but if
Keiron,
Was it you who reorganised the xml-docs/html-docs framework on the
development branch? If so, do you see any problems in retro-fittting
that structure to the maintenance branch?
Peter
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Arved Sandstrom wrote:
Hi, Peter
I've included an attachment which is a tree listing of what I obtained with
wget.
Please review and let me know what I missed. Thanks.
Arved,
All of the html-docs stuff is redundant as far as the docs build is
concerned - it will all be generated. It was
cable.
Arved
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Arved,
Keiron mentioned the possibility of including my recent html design
notes
Arved,
Ok. I'll just have to find out how to integrate my docs, which are at
the top level, into the existing top-level elements. Keiron said
soemthing about creating a book. If anyone has done this, and has a
short recipe, I would be grateful. Otherwise I'll sort it oout and get
back to
../dtd/document-v10.dtd
to allow me acces to the dtd for editing. Is there a way to specify the
dtd in the production files?
Peter
Peter B. West wrote:
Arved,
Ok. I'll just have to find out how to integrate my docs, which are at
the top level, into the existing top-level elements. Keiron
Arved,
Keiron mentioned the possibility of including my recent html design
notes in the distribution. Is that feasible for this release?
Peter
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I have added some details of the XMLEvent buffer access methods to the
above documentation.
http://home.iprimus.com.au/pbwest/xml-fop/docs/html-docs/xml-parsing.html#XMLEvent-methods
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I have added some documentation on the approach I have taken to the
related topics of SAX parsing of the input source and modularisation of
the FOP processing.
http://home.iprimus.com.au/pbwest/xml-fop/docs/html-docs/xml-parsing.html
I also generated javadocs for the experimental
Keiron,
Without having resoved the generation of books, I have converted my html
to xml, and run it against a cut-down fop.xml in one of the earlier
builds. The results are at
http://home.iprimus.com.au/pbwest/xml-fop/docs/html-docs/alt.properties.html.
The xml files are in the parallel
Keiron,
I went to cvs looking for examples of how to write the xml for
multi-level menus like the new design menus, but could not see where
it was happening. I found this -
external href=design/index.html label=NEW DESIGN /
- in fop.xml, but not the source. Where is it?
Peter
on a particular browser are still unpredictable.
Peter
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Saturday 29 December 2001 02:57, Peter B. West wrote:
. . .let me know if there is some easy way to get full
conformance with the Apache XML norm, or if there are severe problems
viewing these pages with modern browsers
Dear list,
After sepnding some days wrestling with various graphics tools in linux
in an attempt to make html that looked like the standard apache
documentation, I finally surrendered and made do with CSS to create a
facsimile that should be sufficient for this list. It works with a
recent
I found it very difficult to develop a coherent way of representing
numeric property values when I was looking at the property values
expression evaluator. My initial approach had a structure that looked
something like:
PropertyValue
|
Christopher,
Many thanks. It's glaringly obvious, isn't it? Oh well.
Peter
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I don't know how kosher this is, and would appreciate any comments. I am
also puzzled
Joerg,
I must remember to trim.
I must remember to trim.
I must...
Peter
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Christopher,
Many thanks. It's glaringly obvious, isn't it? Oh well.
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'+' or '-'
character followed by a sequence of digits followed by an optional '.'
character and sequence of digits. A property may define additional
constraints on the value.
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, e.g.,
content-type=namespace-prefix:svg. If the namespace prefix is null,
the content-type refers to the default namespace.'
The examples given are unquoted and yet are not NCNames.
Your clarifications on these matters will be most welcome.
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HashMaps in Configuration. The codes can then be adjusted
independently of builds. All in my experimental files, of course.
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subsequent discussions of the topic on
fop-dev into the xsl-editors list. I see that this has happened.
Sorry Max.
Peter
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In 5.11 the spec. has:
country
A string
, defines both 2- and
3-letter country codes. Is the spec correct here?
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Keiron,
Thanks. I was looking at the handling of 'url(...)' in the property
expression parser, and I thought that the general solution would be a
uri parser.
Peter
Keiron Liddle wrote:
On 2001.11.20 16:23 Peter B. West wrote:
Does anyone know of a general URI parser tucked away
, anyone know how
to calculate?
Thank you.
lpkhoo.
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Does anyone know of a general URI parser tucked away in the code
somewhere, or failing that, available elsewhere?
Peter
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for a
URI-SPECIFICATION in PropertyParser, and wondered whether it was easy to
find a parser.
Peter
Ulrich Mayring wrote:
Peter B. West wrote:
Does anyone know of a general URI parser tucked away in the code
somewhere, or failing that, available elsewhere?
How about java.net.URL?
Ulrich
array?
What is the relationship between the the linear RGB space and sRGB,
which, from my glance at the document, seems to involve a color profile,
and between the sRGB and the ICC color profiles?
All information will be gratefully received.
Peter
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to assist with
high-level design, if that strikes your fancy.
Regards,
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to carry this information, but the problem of deriving the set
of applicable properties for a given FO persuaded me to the HashSets.
These are, as before, available at http://home.iprimus.com.au/pbwest
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Listners,
If there is any interest in the work I am doing, would it be possible to
set up a stash somewhere for my files? At the moment I am saving things
on my ISP's web server.
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Paul Grosso wrote:
Peter,
Again, thanks for your input. Comments embedded.
At 00:53 2001 09 27 -0400, Peter B. West wrote:
The following sections contain references to start-space and end-space.
I assume that these references should be to space-start and space-end.
5.5.1 Word
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Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:17:54 -0500
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In 5.11 Property
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Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:16:43 -0500
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Peter,
Again, thanks for your input. Comments embedded.
At 00:53
Dear List,
I have some responses from Paul Grosso to questions about compound
properties.
Peter
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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:02:38 -0400
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or Constructor.newInstance methods provide direct ways
of generating instances of the classes.
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Unfortunately it cannot be changed to compile on both as the
VolatileImage
class is 1.4 only.
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in respect of other compound
datatypes.
Yours faithfully,
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design, there are going to be threads, so
all shared access structures will need to be synchronized. It would be
interesting to see how much of the improvement disappears when the
HashMap accesses are synchronized.
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started to look at property values like thin,
thick, smaller, etc.
I'm looking forward to continuing the discussion here.
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