Re: [gentoo-dev] New category: net-voip

2006-07-24 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:42:07 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:04:10 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | If it were to be implemented with symlinks (implying one entry is > | "real" and the

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category: net-voip

2006-07-22 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
breaking it means testing lots of stuff. > Has to walk the entire tree... so if N category per pkg is going to > be proposed, need to preserve the fast lookup that's there now. I don't think the above ideas cause any substantial change to the amount of processing required. An advantage to this approach is that package moves just become aliases - existing stuff doesn't break yet you get the new categorisation as well. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category: net-voip

2006-07-22 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:24:55 -0700 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 08:41:46PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:37:47 -0700 > > Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Jul 20

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category: net-voip

2006-07-20 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:37:47 -0700 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 09:05:03AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:38 +0100 > > Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Wed,

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category: net-voip

2006-07-20 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:38 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:57:32 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | Things that package moves cause: > | 1) Dependencies throughout the tree have to be updated >

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category: net-voip

2006-07-19 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:40:07 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:18:22 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > Uh, as far as I recall, you've yet to come up with any technical > | > explanation

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Portage: missing pieces

2006-07-10 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
e'd be seeing a lot of bugs related to that - and we're not seeing them. > I'd think that most users hadn't even run into this problem (yet), > because many source code maintainers strive to be able to compile with > as old a version of GCC as possible.. That's u

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Portage: missing pieces

2006-07-10 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:23:54 +0200 "Molle Bestefich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > > > > The expectation here is that when a new version of gcc is > > > > stabilized, that users will upgrade to that in a reasonable > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] new herd: vdr - topic reanimated

2006-07-09 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
s what vdr means on its own). If you do this, make sure there's a maintainer tag. However (c) seems to be the most sensible approach. > > > What do you think of that? > > Zzam > -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Portage: missing pieces

2006-07-09 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
a good idea in general. The profile currently says that for x86, gcc must be ">=sys-devel/gcc-3.3.4-r1" - if you do # emerge >=sys-devel/gcc-3.3.4-r1 on a current tree you'll get a much higher version. Still, it's up to releng if they wish to change it. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Portage: missing pieces

2006-07-09 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
ike the aforementioned one, which should result in > that particular ebuild getting fixed, instead of the bug being marked > INVALID. As I said above, don't take the "INVALID" marking personally. The fact is that from the perspective of the relevant devs, the resolution of the bug was to advise the user to upgrade gcc, which meant no change required to the tree. See https://bugs.gentoo.org/page.cgi?id=fields.html - as far as devs are concerned, "The problem described is not a bug" so INVALID is the correct resolution marking. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

2006-07-08 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
notice it wants cdrecord-prodvd for dvd writing - will it not use the newer app-cdr/cdrtools to support DVDs (perhaps with the -n option to not check the tool version)? Presumably the newer cdrtools is backwards-compatible with the cdrecord-prodvd command line options? -- Kevin F. Quinn

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo activity graphs

2006-07-07 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
s closed or resolved; typically some 700-800 new bugs a week and 300-400 closed/resolved a week - however the total number of open bugs over the same period has increased by just 372 bugs from 9947 to 10319 (total new + reopened - closed = 3791). -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Adding CPUFLAGS USE_EXPAND variable to the profiles

2006-07-07 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
- which could be the default behaviour if CPU_SUBMODEL is not set. That way we have the best of both worlds; people who are happy to let the system determine the configure options from the compiler architecture can do so, those who want to control things in more detail can do that as well. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Gentoo vs GNU toolchain (was Re: [gentoo-dev] Replacing cpu-feature USE flags)

2006-07-07 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
1.1+ > > I don't know how much gcc-spec-env.patch can be trusted, and even if > it is 100% safe, such patches don't belong in anything that would be > called "vanilla". (I have commented on that patch long before this > thread started, so don't think I'm just

Re: [gentoo-dev] Replacing cpu-feature USE flags

2006-07-06 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:13:11 +0200 "Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Note: -march=i586 -mmmx for Pentium (classic) MMX is a good idea most > of the times, as it's not an i686 but at the same time it has MMX > support. There's -ma

Gentoo vs GNU toolchain (was Re: [gentoo-dev] Replacing cpu-feature USE flags)

2006-07-06 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
ted, > unfortunately. What exactly is it about the toolchain supplied with Gentoo that causes you problems? -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Replacing cpu-feature USE flags

2006-07-06 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
-libs/evas x11-libs/libast x11-misc/rss-glx x11-terms/eterm x11-themes/polymer x11-wm/afterstep x11-wm/metisse -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Replacing cpu-feature USE flags

2006-07-06 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
een their processor (which they've already set via -march in CFLAGS) and the various bits that their processor has. There are relatively few packages affected (<1%), so I think it's worth a try. In the end it may be that a few packages need to deal with stuff manually like with the current USE flags, but they'd be local USE flags at that point. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Replacing cpu-feature USE flags

2006-07-06 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:44:22 +0200 "Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 06 July 2006 14:35, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > > This could easily be done by configure > > scripts; perhaps it would be a good idea to look into wri

Re: [gentoo-dev] Replacing cpu-feature USE flags

2006-07-06 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
(combination of ARCH and -march or equivalent CFLAGS). The suggested code already does the worst-case fall-back, as it responds 'no' if the compiler doesn't support -dM or doesn't define the relevant macro. echo | $(tc-getCC) ${CFLAGS} -dM -E - 2>/dev/null | grep -q ${d

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007

2006-07-04 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
late already, but maybe one of them can accept... -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-04 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
. Or if we want to be clever, setup a source-request email alias which releng can farm out to nearby volunteers as appropriate using email acknowledgement to ensure requests are serviced. Point being, there are numerous ways we can comply, and no excuse for not complying from now on. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Virtualization Herd

2006-07-04 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
ainless, provided all the relevant maintainers agree - indeed, a package can belong to more than one herd. However changing a package's category is much more disruptive and should be avoided. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Virtualization Herd

2006-07-04 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
. Bochs is the only real emulator. For the record, Qemu is much more than virtualisation; indeed virtualisation is just a small part of what Qemu can do. Emulation is the main thing that Qemu does, for many targets on many hosts. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-01 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:53:42 + (UTC) "Duncan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Kevin F. Quinn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted > > a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable > > source code, which must be distributed und

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:20:00 +0200 Maurice van der Pot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 07:54:12PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > > You don't have to do this > > for binary files copied from a Gentoo Live CD, as in that case > > you're

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
release media (clearly and obviously places) describing how people can request a copy of the source disc from you if they wish. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
o file mirror? Only if they distribute binaries, in which case source should be provided sufficient to build those binaries. > Do my senses run wilde? Your just my imagination? > Do I understand this right? If you're not sure whether something you do is compliant with the relevant license

Re: [gentoo-dev] Assigning bugs to treecleaners

2006-06-27 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
old 2.0-portage, the > syncing and caching had become really long. If you want to sync just part of the tree, look into setting '--exclude' or '--exclude-from' options via PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS in make.conf. See rsync(1) and make.conf(5). Never tried it myself, but it shoul

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:25:42 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:14:08 -0700 > > Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > [...] Thanks for the clarification > The goal is to avoi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 02:39:29 -0400 (EDT) "Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > > > Am I making sense? This looks a lot like the gtk/gtk2 flags, but > > inverted; according to use.desc, gtk bu

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:14:08 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mike Owen wrote: > > From this user's perspective, simple is better. qt3 and qt4 as use > > flags are completely and utterly obvious as to what they mean, and > > there is no confusion about them. Adding a plain qt fla

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
s specifically version 3 include: 1) Target package depends on build system (assuming 'qt' is interpreted as 'qt3' if only that is installed, rather than pulling in qt4 if not already present). 2) What 'qt' means changes as new releases are made - if/when qt5 becomes available, it means introducing a qt4 use flag and back-fitting to existing ebuilds that used 'qt' but don't build against qt5. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Pending Removal of $KV

2006-06-20 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
he kernel tree to build against (KBUILD_OUTPUT) and thus build for different kernel configurations as appropriate (the default being the build system kernel, which makes things simple for the common case where the target is the build system). In summary, I agree that $KV should disappear from portage

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changes to the way Java packages are built

2006-06-19 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
* could be reworked as one or more eselect modules? -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] strict-aliasing rules, don't break them

2006-06-17 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
.1 Whether any of these actually trigger real problems or not I don't know; but then probaly neither do the upstream developers... -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] variable quoting, setting optional variables to "", and depending on virtual/libc

2006-06-17 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
cit-system-dependency obviously USE flag settings affect what's pulled in by system as does the profile. So I think if we're to allow essential system dependencies to be omitted, we should be very explicit; i.e. publish a strict list. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] variable quoting, setting optional variables to "", and depending on virtual/libc

2006-06-17 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
even virtual/system (with the > compiler removed from that virtual). -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] variable quoting, setting optional variables to "", and depending on virtual/libc

2006-06-17 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
ting RDEPEND to "" indicates that the stuff in DEPEND isn't needed to run the package, and can safely be pruned later. If RDEPEND is not set, it is defaulted to $DEPEND by portage. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] using specific gcc-version in ebuild

2006-06-16 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
esn't find out about the missing dependency until the package is actually merged, rather than at the beginning of an 'emerge world'. Perhaps details should be taken off-list, if we're to think about this seriously. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:22:31 -0400 Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would much > rather see something like sunrise (but not necessarily sunrise > itself) used to put packages which are no longer maintained, but were > once in the tree. sunset.overlays.g.o :)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: A heretical thought? Blessing project sunrise as an almost-fork.

2006-06-15 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
ess, you're one of the two lead complainants about > Project Sunrise. You've raised a number of points about Sunrise that > need debating; you were right to do so, and I don't think anyone feels > that they shouldn't have been raised. > > If you're not going to participate in a debate about those concerns > without throwing your toys out of the pram, it undermines the > complaint that you're making. That's plain enough to see by looking > at the reaction elsewhere in these threads to some of the postings > from the Sunrise project team, where they've behaved like that. > > Best regards, > Stu -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-15 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:57:21 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Thursday 15 June 2006 02:33, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > >> We could require that a herd mail alias be maintained for every > >> herd, with the same name as t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-14 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
ed in metadata, and let the herd maintainers re-assign amongst themselves if appropriate. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: A heretical thought? Blessing project sunrise as an almost-fork.

2006-06-13 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
uld be a good idea to include key system elements (e.g. kernel, toolchain, baselayout - perhaps the sys-* categories) in the ban for sunrise. Anything hacking around with such critical components should be in their own specific overlay. This is key to the objections; that sunrise is system-wide, not local to a particular area. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-11 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
dreds of emails)? This reflects back on the primary objection to sunrise on gentoo.org. Your question is essentially, "who will take responsibility for it and put it in the tree?". Sunrise might help in getting ebuilds to a decent standard, and it might help some users to contribut

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-11 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
oup of herd maintainers to take the package on. With maintainer-* on CC the benefits accrued so far from having a bunch of people helping to iron out early QA problems would remain, and at the same time the group of people most likely to pick up the package would also be aware of it. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] client/server policy for ebuilds

2006-06-10 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 05:44:41 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 10 June 2006 04:32, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > > I do think we should avoid built_with_use where we can, as it causes > > emerge to abort. > > no it doesnt ... the ebuild maintai

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] client/server policy for ebuilds

2006-06-10 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
ag does what it says on the tin - you have to inspect the > ebuild code you're querying. > > Prior history shows deps of db vs gdbm where if both or neither then > db was used, otherwise the flagged db was used. > > Problems problems - soltutions that work with existing installs or do > we just bite the bullet and do > > ! use client && ! use server && die "must select either client or > server" > > Which kinda defeats the purpose of a clean install. > -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] What is "official"?

2006-06-09 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
e teams to be competing with each > > other). This is about delegation, which is fine - however I don't think it's a good idea to have two conflicting official positions. With regards Gentoo-wide policy > > > > What are the alternatives? If a project's activities are not > > automatically "official", then who gets to decide, and how is that > > decision made? How can that decision be made fairly, without > > contradicting the metastructure, and without giving rise to any > > accusations of 'cabals'? > > > > Best regards, > > Stu -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] client+server packages - build which one?

2006-06-09 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
nstalls the server, the other installs just the client programs. > > Other packages to possably beneift > udhcp > mldonkey > samhain > bacula > boxbackup > > Interestingly, many packages have a server USE flag but not a client > one - maybe make both a global USE

Re: [gentoo-dev] fix binary debug support, part elevenity billion + 1

2006-06-08 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
Is there any reason you need package.env in portage proper > as opposed to bashrc? I remember portage people asserting before that package.env tricks from bashrc don't work completely, in that it needs to be in place for portage.py before the bashrc script is sourced. Is this no longer a problem? -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] et_EE locale and language of error messages

2006-05-24 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
ted when the locale is et_EE are fatal is just luck. On the subject of timing elsewhere in the thread, I don't see there's any hurry, as things have been as they are for a long time. However that's a decision for the people who plan out portage releases. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] et_EE locale and language of error messages

2006-05-24 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
t least. (A creates a package for B. B would like the Italian > version. A does not know any Italian. There is a build error. Because > the system forced LC_* to be set to Italian, A has no idea what the > errors mean.) Fair enough. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] et_EE locale and language of error messages

2006-05-24 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
LC_* during build time. > Those bugs should be detected and fixed. I disagree. LINGUAS is a Gentoo-specific thing, so is only relevant to ebuilds. If a package uses LC_* to determine the user's locale preferences, I see no problem with that. > What do you think? LC_ALL=C in portage or not? I vote not. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Signing everything, for fun and for profit

2006-05-18 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
ingle manifest for the whole eclass directory. If GLEP33 ever gets implemented, this issue is obvious as each subdirectory would have its own manifest. Obviously the best way to add this sort of thing is to add support to repoman, which has been mentioned before for profiles at least, for QA. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-17 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
e point (either by inclusion or rejection). Again, not the case with paludis as it is currently being proposed. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Modular X and hardened

2006-05-14 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
to give a warning > message telling users not to enable -z now even if portage states > otherwise. Ideally, binutils would also be patched to support -z > nonow, and -Wl,-z,nonow would be appended to LDFLAGS, but that's > something for later concern. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Modular X and hardened

2006-05-14 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
On Sat, 13 May 2006 23:04:10 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: > > Oh, OK, let's argue semantics. It's suggested by a hardened user on a > bug the hardened team is CC'd on, but the team didn't say anythin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Modular X and hardened

2006-05-13 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
kes the effort is working out which are relevant). Duncan - perhaps it would be useful if you could raise a separate bug about the QA message and Xorg, and attach the diff you apply to x-modular.eclass. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X and hardened

2006-05-13 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
On Sat, 13 May 2006 11:32:49 +0200 Simon Strandman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) skrev: > > On Fri, 12 May 2006 10:49:22 +0200 > > Simon Strandman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> I installed modular X on my server running hard

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X and hardened

2006-05-12 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
ular X (which is a big enough job as it is) so we've left it as it is for the moment. We'll probably start looking at it again once it becomes stable (also upstream have a pending task to resolve the issue properly, but don't hold your breath). P.S. there's a hardened mailing list that is relevant. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
On Fri, 5 May 2006 16:38:57 +0200 Carsten Lohrke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 05 May 2006 15:23, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: > > I disagree. Your argument is for not using ~arch at all, rather > > than an argument against keeping control of what you have from &

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
On Fri, 5 May 2006 13:20:09 +0200 Carsten Lohrke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 05 May 2006 08:32, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: > > If you use specific versions in the package.keywords file (i.e. do > > "=category/package-version-revision ~arch" instead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages that need maintainers

2006-05-04 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
n/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1&chap=2 In the first instance, do the work on bugzilla. Look for open bugs for existing packages, and post fixes/patches there. For packages not currently in portage, raise a new bug. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-04 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
t looking for package versions that have been superseded. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-28 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:29:58 +0200 George Shapovalov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Friday, 28. April 2006 21:20, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: > > 3) A herd does not have an email address - it's not a person or > > group of people so an email address is nonsensical. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-28 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
f looking at it; herds are a mechanism for locating maintainers for packages. Seems simple enough when written out like that - flame me if I have it wrong :) -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-27 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:27:12 -0400 Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 09:22 +0200, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: > > I must admit I've assumed that the herd entry in metadata.xml is a > > reasonable fall-back if the maintainer entry is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-27 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
w how many people think herds are not maintainers - if only a few people think this then I suggest it would be better to accept the common interpretation of herd as a group of people who can maintain a package. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Purpose of USE=doc

2006-04-25 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
f resource to build (3) cause extra deps (2) and (3) are usually co-incident. IMHO, of course ;) Whatever we decide USE=doc means, it should be documented as such in use.desc -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlay support current proposal?

2006-03-25 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:37:45 + Duncan Coutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 13:32 +0100, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: > > On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:46:58 + > > Duncan Coutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 2006-03

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlay support current proposal?

2006-03-25 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:46:58 + Duncan Coutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 12:42 +0100, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: > > > This is a valid issue, as ghc is only supplied upstream for linux > > (some older versions available in mingw32). > &g

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlay support current proposal?

2006-03-25 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
vcs.org/RcsComparisons. Of the alternatives to Bazaar-NG, Mercurial (at http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/) looks most interesting, not least because it claims fast local and network performance, which bazaar-ng doesn't. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] enable UTF8 per default?

2006-03-09 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
filter the illegal bytes out of its input, or replace them with a marker (replacement character) - instead it leaves the non-conformant bytes alone. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] how to turn off hardened gcc flags reliably?

2006-03-02 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
ally in the case of the hardened compiler). This occurs also with the vanilla compiler - which is a bug although very few people (if any) come across it as the only supported way to use the stack protector at the moment is by using the hardened compiler. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] enable UTF8 per default?

2006-02-28 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
the same way the application does. http://www.microsoft.com/mspress/books/sampchap/5612b.asp describes a number of risks of accepting UTF-8, including the above. So far I haven't found anything that could be considered a general security risk, but that doesn't prove much :) -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: seeing a new trend of laziness developing.

2006-02-26 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
to browse the bug to check whether the resolution is valid or not - if there's a decent comment along with the resolution this becomes unnecessary in the majority of cases. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Putting all log related packages into it's own category (sys-logging)

2006-02-20 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
tion of a herd for these packages would be a question for the maintainers of those packages :) -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 47: Creating 'safe' environment variables

2006-02-09 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:48:32 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please find attached GLEP 47: "Creating 'safe' environment variables". Could you add a definition of 'safe' to the GLEP? It's not clear what this means at the moment. -- Kev

Re: [gentoo-dev] fix binary debug support, part elevenity billion 1/2

2006-01-20 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
ack-protector is only a problem if gcc-4.0 is built without the ssp-stubs - from 4.1 onwards that'll be upstream as well. Having said that, I don't think we need -fno-stack-protector in default DEBUG_FLAGS anyway, as it doesn't inhibit debug (unlike -Wl,pie). -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] fix binary debug support, part elevenity billion 1/2

2006-01-19 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
quot; It's enough to do LDFLAGS="-nopie" to get debuggable executables, which might be better as it'd keep code closer to the non-debug code. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ada compiler: split complete, naming suggestions for gnat-gpl?

2006-01-15 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
sibility is gnat-gpl-3.4.5.2005, but I'm not sure that it's worth it. -- Kevin F. Quinn -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Parallizing ebuilds - 'trivial' ebuilds

2006-01-12 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
.bdf`.pcf && \ /usr/X11R6/bin/bdftopcf ${font} > ${pcf} && \ gzip ${pcf} & [[ ${n} -eq 0 ]] && wait && n=${MAX_PARALLEL} ((n=${n}-1)) done wait -- Kevin F. Quinn -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Optimizing performance

2005-12-24 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
headers - in particular look at the PT_LOAD sections) and 'readelf -s' (which shows all segments). If any one can point me to code in the kernel or loader that maps debug symbol sections I'm sure many would be interested. -- Kevin F. Quinn -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Textrels in packages policy

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:19:56 +0100 Harald van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 08:51:42AM +0100, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:59:23 +0100 > > Harald van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&g

Re: [gentoo-dev] Textrels in packages policy

2005-12-13 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
source code just means appending a few lines depending on the type of assembler used. As far as ebuilds are concerned, if you add it to LDFLAGS you will need to re-check the application every time you bump the ebuild, and it's difficult to find new occurrences of nested functions for examp

Re: [gentoo-dev] Textrels in packages policy

2005-12-13 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
devs to know about, and existing devs to have for a reference. Agreed. As far as normal Gentoo is concerned, I think policy should be to fix textrels at least where it is simple to do so and upstream are happy to have the issues fixed, and we should be most insistent for shared libraries that are act

Re: [gentoo-dev] Split ELF Debug (default or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On 26/11/2005 13:55:25, Ned Ludd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 19:30 +0100, Bruno wrote: > > > What's the advantage of splitting out the debug info to some extra > > location instead of leaving it in the original binary (maybe smaller > > foot-print in memory while the debug

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-27 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On 25/11/2005 11:46:54, Marius Mauch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Except that no{man,info,doc} are on the to-die list anyway. When you say 'to-die' do you mean completely removed, or do you mean replaced with {man,info,doc} (i.e. removing inverted logic)? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On 20/10/2005 21:16:47, Dan Armak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:58, Matthijs van der Vleuten wrote: > > On 10/20/05, Dan Armak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > To solve this issue it would have to be an on-by-default flag, i.e. > > > 'noxserver'. I know some people are

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On 20/10/2005 21:16:47, Dan Armak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:58, Matthijs van der Vleuten wrote: > > On 10/20/05, Dan Armak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > To solve this issue it would have to be an on-by-default flag, i.e. > > > 'noxserver'. I know some people are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Just another portage enhancement idea...

2005-10-11 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On 11/10/2005 9:18:41, Dave Nebinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > This is probably the fifth time at least that I've been bitten by this... https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11359 [NEW FEATURE] pkg_postinst/pkg_preinst ewarn/einfo logging -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] C++ herd proposal

2005-09-19 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On 20/9/2005 7:37:19, Georgi Georgiev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > maillog: 20/09/2005-07:21:08(+0200): Christian Parpart types > > On Monday 19 September 2005 15:22, warnera6 wrote: > > > Mark Loeser wrote: > > > > Paul de Vrieze wrote: > > > >> I think that dev-util is a very specific category co

Re: [gentoo-dev] first council meeting

2005-09-17 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On 17/9/2005 11:34:56, Brian Harring ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 11:28:03AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > > The 30-day could be calculated from the $Header: of ebuilds that have > > no UNSTABLE, or where it's empty. > > Doesn't work for N a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] C++ herd proposal

2005-09-17 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On 17/9/2005 13:33:30, Christian Parpart ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Saturday 17 September 2005 11:36, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > > On 17/9/2005 0:20:57, Mark Loeser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > C++ herd is a good idea, especially with that number of packages. > &g

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] C++ herd proposal

2005-09-17 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On 17/9/2005 0:20:57, Mark Loeser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: C++ herd is a good idea, especially with that number of packages. > I would also like to see many of them, if not all, moved to the dev-cpp > category: Is this bit really necessary? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] first council meeting

2005-09-17 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
How about if the maintainer wants wider testing, i.e. wants to move it out of package.mask and into ~arch but isn't confident it's ready yet for arch, adding a string variable to ebuilds indicating why the maintainer considers the package unstable, eg: UNSTABLE="#100435, #100345, unconfirmed break

Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-06 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On 7/9/2005 3:10:12, Stuart Longland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 9:44:41 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > | On 5/9/2005 1:29:57, Ciaran McCreesh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > |

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