Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-16 Thread Joshua Banks
Come-on... No fish in the Gentoo pond..tonight I'm not asking for you to hold my hand. I just need someone to confirm whether or not I'm doing this correctly. It seems that any time there's questions about "etc-update" everyone seems to be "hush-hush". I've layed out what my goal is, what I've

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-16 Thread blade-
Only thing i can say is instead of cp new.cfg old.cfg rm old.cfg u could just mv old.cfg new.cfg Joshua Banks wrote: Come-on... No fish in the Gentoo pond..tonight I'm not asking for you to hold my hand. I just need someone to confirm whether or not I'm doing this correctly. It seems that any

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-16 Thread Ben Sparks
why not use etc-update? seems to save much hassle and time for me. On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 02:30, Joshua Banks wrote: > Come-on... No fish in the Gentoo pond..tonight > > I'm not asking for you to hold my hand. I just need someone to confirm whether or > not I'm doing > this correctly. It seems

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-16 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Wednesday 17 September 2003 13:49, Joshua Banks wrote: > Just fishing here..+ acouple of questions. > > ** > > "My Goal" in this posting: > Is to learn how-to correctly manually update the files without the use of > "ect-update". Well, the "co

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-16 Thread Andy Smith
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 11:30:14PM -0700, Joshua Banks wrote: > Come-on... No fish in the Gentoo pond..tonight > > I'm not asking for you to hold my hand. I just need someone to confirm whether or > not I'm doing > this correctly. It seems that any time there's questions about "etc-update" everyo

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-16 Thread Joshua Banks
Thanks for the replies everyone. All the suggestions have helped. JBanks --- Andy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 11:30:14PM -0700, Joshua Banks wrote: > > Come-on... No fish in the Gentoo pond..tonight > > > > I'm not asking for you to hold my hand. I just need some

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Joshua Banks
Ok... So do I goto the list when I'm unsure about differences in files that I'm unsure of. Some of them are common sense type differences but others I'm unsure of like "dispatch-conf.conf" The new file doesn't have the header at the beginning and there are all sorts of changes that are beyond

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread brett holcomb
Well, I do it by using my editor (jstar) to show both files - new on top, old on bottom. I then go through and see what is new and then modify one of the files. For example, with make.conf I keep my old and move stuff from the new one to the old. However, with the last baselayout /etc/servi

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread brett holcomb
Well, if you use etc-update on files like /etc/fstab your system will break. Also, when you modify your make.conf file you don't want it overwritten mindlessly. If you notice etc-update will remove all your changes. On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:42:59 -0400 Ben Sparks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: why

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Joshua Banks
--- brett holcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I do it by using my editor (jstar) to show both > files - new on top, old on bottom. I then go through and > see what is new and then modify one of the files. For > example, with make.conf I keep my old and move stuff from > the new one to

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread nmeyers
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 08:00:59AM -0400, brett holcomb wrote: > Well, if you use etc-update on files like /etc/fstab your > system will break. Also, when you modify your make.conf > file you don't want it overwritten mindlessly. If you > notice etc-update will remove all your changes. etc-up

RE: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Gwendolyn van der Linden
brett holcomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, if you use etc-update on files like /etc/fstab your > system will break. Exactly. I would vote for keeping /etc/fstab.example in portage, and making the copying/editing part of the installation procedure (cp /etc/fstab.example /etc/fstab; na

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread brett holcomb
Unless it's a file that I edit and change I let etc-update handle it. I'm not familiar with this file but if you haven't messed with it or a program you use hasn't change it then give it to etc-update. On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Joshua Banks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ok... So

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread brett holcomb
You're welcome! On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 05:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Joshua Banks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- brett holcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, I do it by using my editor (jstar) to show both files - new on top, old on bottom. I then go through and After all they are almost always update

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread brett holcomb
If you blindly say update it then etc-update sure will mess it up. Every update that etc-update has wanted to do has wanted to replace my /dev/... with /dev/BOOT and take out my stuff and that would sure hose the system. Other than running it through an editor manually I don't know of anyway

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Ross
*agrees with brett* if I haven't modified the file, I leave all the work up to etc-update :) it isn't much effort looking out for the 4 or 5 files you need to worry about. Ross. On Wednesday 17 September 2003 14:33, brett holcomb wrote: > If you blindly say update it then etc-update sure will

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread brett holcomb
Except for base-layout updates which seem to include /etc/hosts but even then it was only a few! On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:37:12 +0200 Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: *agrees with brett* if I haven't modified the file, I leave all the work up to etc-update :) it isn't much effort looking out fo

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread nmeyers
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 08:33:46AM -0400, brett holcomb wrote: > If you blindly say update it then etc-update sure will > mess it up. Every update that etc-update has wanted to do > has wanted to replace my /dev/... with /dev/BOOT and take > out my stuff and that would sure hose the system. Ot

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Joshua Banks
Yes, I replied long ago saying that I now see how to use "etc-update" correctly. Thanks though. Maybe now you see why I started the other thread about "etc-update". I've actually been able to look through the various files that need updating and feel like I need to be a programmer to understand

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Jason Stubbs
There's a lot of talk that pops up in gentoo-dev regarding etc-update. For the time being, etc-update (or dispath-conf for a little protection) is about the best you'll get. Having said that, dispatch-conf *does* do automatic header and white-space merging and can also be set to auto-merge files

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Collins Richey
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:24:22 +0200 "Gwendolyn van der Linden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [ rest snipped ] > I guess the above is true for several other files. Any file that is > hard/dangerous to merge automatically should NOT be in portage, but > provided as an example or template instead. In

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Stroller
On 17 Sep 2003, at 1:24 pm, Gwendolyn van der Linden wrote: brett holcomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if you use etc-update on files like /etc/fstab your system will break. Exactly. I would vote for keeping /etc/fstab.example in portage, and making the copying/editing part of the inst

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Joshua Banks
--- Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's a lot of talk that pops up in gentoo-dev regarding etc-update. For the > time being, etc-update (or dispath-conf for a little protection) is about the > best you'll get. Having said that, dispatch-conf *does* do automatic header > and white-

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-21 Thread Terje Kvernes
"brett holcomb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you blindly say update it then etc-update sure will mess it up. on a unix-system mostly anything you do blindly, as root, will mess up your system. and, on a unix-system, with your eyes open, that mess can be fixed. > Every update that etc-

Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..[Solved]

2003-09-17 Thread Joshua Banks
Feel pretty silly now :p "etc-update" Was staring me in the face the whole time begging me to use it...CORRECTLY...that is.. :D JBanks __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- [EMAIL PRO