Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread Dale
Grant wrote: > # emerge -avDuN system > [snip] > !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-auth/pambase-20081028" have > been masked. > !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your > request: > - sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r1 (masked by: EAPI 4) >

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread Grant
# emerge -avDuN system [snip] !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-auth/pambase-20081028" have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r1 (masked by: EAPI 4) - sys-auth/pamba

[gentoo-user] System shuts off on boot-up

2012-01-20 Thread BRM
I am working on trying to get my AMD64 system back online. I recently rebuilt it (from scratch) after a very bad case of being out of date and build issues as a result (for numerous reasons). However, after I started trying to get X configured (Xorg) with the nouveau driver (I think I ran the pr

Re: [gentoo-user] Good 'layman' tutorial on IPv4 > IPv6?

2012-01-20 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:45:08AM -0600, Chris Frederick wrote > If you still want private addresses, IPv6 has unique local addresses > (fc00::/7 range, http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/ula/ has a reg form to > help assign a /48 to you). If it's a unique ***LOCAL*** address, then why is it a pro

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/20/2012 09:42 PM, Grant wrote: # emerge -avDuN system [snip] !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-auth/pambase-20081028" have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r1 (masked by: EAPI 4) - sys-auth/pambas

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread Grant
>> # emerge -avDuN system >> [snip] >> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-auth/pambase-20081028" have >> been masked. >> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your >> request: >> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r1 (masked by: EAPI 4) >> - sys-auth/pambase-20101024 (mas

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:58:36 -0800, Grant wrote: > # emerge -avDuN system > [snip] > !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-auth/pambase-20081028" have > been masked. > !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your > request: > - sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r1 (masked by:

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange outbound requests

2012-01-20 Thread Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21.01.2012 02:39, Michael Mol wrote: > On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Grant > wrote: My firewall is blocking periodic outbound connections to port 3680 on a Rackspace IP. How can I find out more about what's going on?

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange outbound requests

2012-01-20 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Grant wrote: > >> My firewall is blocking periodic outbound connections to port 3680 on > >> a Rackspace IP.  How can I find out more about what's going on?  Maybe > >> which program is generating the connection requests? > > > > Uh, a packet sn

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange outbound requests

2012-01-20 Thread Grant
If the machine is running linux, then 'watch "lsof -n|grep TCP|grep 3680"' as root is a sloppy but effective way to find it. There's probably some way to set up a firewall rule on the host in question that logs out the user and (possibly) PID of the connection, but I don't

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: For those who complain

2012-01-20 Thread Érico Porto
Gentoo is a rainbow with no end and no pot of gold. I will write that one down.. In the mean while, if you just want something that you install quickly on a small system it is really good - assuming you will update your system only 6 to 6 months ... Érico V. Porto On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:31

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange outbound requests

2012-01-20 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/20/2012 07:12 PM, Grant wrote: If the machine is running linux, then 'watch "lsof -n|grep TCP|grep 3680"' as root is a sloppy but effective way to find it. There's probably some way to set up a firewall rule on the host in question that logs out the user and (possibly) PID of the connection

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange outbound requests

2012-01-20 Thread Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21.01.2012 01:12, Grant wrote: >>> If the machine is running linux, then 'watch "lsof -n|grep >>> TCP|grep 3680"' as root is a sloppy but effective way to find >>> it. There's probably some way to set up a firewall rule on the >>> host in question t

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread Grant
>>> You could do: >>> >>> emerge =dev-lang/python-2.6.7-r2 >>> >>> You should disable "threads" if it doesn't work (there is >>> something related to it in the portage ebuild). After that, >>> switch to python 2.6 via eselect and try to update portage. If I >>> read the ebuilds correctly, that shou

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21.01.2012 00:52, Grant wrote: >>> Weird, it looks like portage didn't update to the latest >>> version. emerging it again seems to want to update it again. I >>> get this: >>> >>> # emerge -pv portage [snip] [ebuild NS ] >>> dev-lang/python-2

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange outbound requests

2012-01-20 Thread Grant
>> If the machine is running linux, then 'watch "lsof -n|grep TCP|grep >> 3680"' as root is a sloppy but effective way to find it. There's >> probably some way to set up a firewall rule on the host in question >> that logs out the user and (possibly) PID of the connection, but I >> don't know. > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/20/12 18:58, Grant wrote: >> OK, so the install is old and portage has dependencies, right? >> >> emerge -pvDuN portage >> >> will get you closer. However this is probably best covered using >> Neil's suggestion of >> >> emerge -pvDuN @system > > I can't even get started: > Do you have som

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread Mick
On Friday 20 Jan 2012 23:53:32 Philip Webb wrote: > 120120 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:37:06 -0800, Grant wrote: > >> I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at all > >> in at least 2 years. It's remote but I have SSH access. > > > > Take small steps. emer

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread Grant
> OK, so the install is old and portage has dependencies, right? > > emerge -pvDuN portage > > will get you closer. However this is probably best covered using > Neil's suggestion of > > emerge -pvDuN @system I can't even get started: # emerge -avDuN system [snip] !!! All ebuilds that could satis

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange outbound requests

2012-01-20 Thread Mick
On Friday 20 Jan 2012 23:34:12 Grant wrote: > >> My firewall is blocking periodic outbound connections to port 3680 > >> on a Rackspace IP. How can I find out more about what's going on? > >> Maybe which program is generating the connection requests? > > > > Uh, a packet

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread Philip Webb
120120 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:37:06 -0800, Grant wrote: >> I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at all >> in at least 2 years. It's remote but I have SSH access. > Take small steps. emerge -pv @system first > and be prepared to emerge packages a few a

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread Grant
>> Weird, it looks like portage didn't update to the latest version. >> emerging it again seems to want to update it again.  I get this: >> >> # emerge -pv portage [snip] [ebuild  NS   ] >> dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3 [2.5.2-r7] USE="gdbm ncurses readline ssl >> threads (wide-unicode) xml -berkdb -bui

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Grant wrote: >>> I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at all in >>> at least 2 years.  It's remote but I have SSH access.  I've updated >>> portage but I thought I should check with you guys before I plow ahead >>> with emerge -DuN world.  I

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange outbound requests

2012-01-20 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > If the machine is running linux, then 'watch "lsof -n|grep TCP|grep > 3680"' as root is a sloppy but effective way to find it. There's > probably some way to set up a firewall rule on the host in question > that logs out the user and (possibly)

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange outbound requests

2012-01-20 Thread Grant
>> My firewall is blocking periodic outbound connections to port 3680 on >> a Rackspace IP.  How can I find out more about what's going on?  Maybe >> which program is generating the connection requests? > > Uh, a packet sniffer? > > I have an old laptop here that

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21.01.2012 00:09, Grant wrote: >>> I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at >>> all in at least 2 years. It's remote but I have SSH access. >>> I've updated portage but I thought I should check with you guys >>> before I plow

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange outbound requests

2012-01-20 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Grant wrote: >>> >> My firewall is blocking periodic outbound connections to port 3680 on >>> >> a Rackspace IP.  How can I find out more about what's going on?  Maybe >>> >> which program is generating the connection requests? >>> > >>> > Uh, a packet sniffer? >>>

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread EJ Vincent
On 1/20/2012 5:37 PM, Grant wrote: I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at all in at least 2 years. It's remote but I have SSH access. I've updated portage but I thought I should check with you guys before I plow ahead with emerge -DuN world. It won't be used for anythi

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread Grant
>> I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at all in >> at least 2 years.  It's remote but I have SSH access.  I've updated >> portage but I thought I should check with you guys before I plow ahead >> with emerge -DuN world.  It won't be used for anything until I bring >> it up

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:37:06 -0800, Grant wrote: > I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at all in > at least 2 years. It's remote but I have SSH access. I've updated > portage but I thought I should check with you guys before I plow ahead > with emerge -DuN world. It won

Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Grant wrote: > I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at all in > at least 2 years.  It's remote but I have SSH access.  I've updated > portage but I thought I should check with you guys before I plow ahead > with emerge -DuN world.  It won't

[gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install

2012-01-20 Thread Grant
I have an old Gentoo system that hasn't been updated or used at all in at least 2 years. It's remote but I have SSH access. I've updated portage but I thought I should check with you guys before I plow ahead with emerge -DuN world. It won't be used for anything until I bring it up to speed and s

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange outbound requests

2012-01-20 Thread Grant
>> >> My firewall is blocking periodic outbound connections to port 3680 on >> >> a Rackspace IP.  How can I find out more about what's going on?  Maybe >> >> which program is generating the connection requests? >> > >> > Uh, a packet sniffer? >> > >> > I have an old laptop here that I have a secon

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: For those who complain

2012-01-20 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 01/20/2012 10:51 PM, Dale wrote: >> Albert W. Hopkins wrote: >>> [...] >> >> And sometimes those people are finding problems. > > Please don't feed the troll. > > > Since it was fixed, I took his food bowl away. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what

[gentoo-user] Re: For those who complain

2012-01-20 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 01/20/2012 10:51 PM, Dale wrote: Albert W. Hopkins wrote: [...] And sometimes those people are finding problems. Please don't feed the troll.

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage option "--changed-use" not working?

2012-01-20 Thread Dale
Hilco Wijbenga wrote: > Hi all, > > In "man emerge" I read: > > --changed-use > Tells emerge to include installed packages where USE flags have > changed since installation. This option also implies the --selective > option. Unlike --newuse, the --changed-use option does not trigger > reins

Re: [gentoo-user] For those who complain

2012-01-20 Thread Dale
Albert W. Hopkins wrote: > For those who complain about default portage behavior: > It changes constantly. If you can't accept the bleeding edge behavior, > you're probably using the wrong distro. There are always going to be > changes. Some you don't like, some you say "oh gosh, finally!". For

Re: [gentoo-user] Good 'layman' tutorial on IPv4 > IPv6?

2012-01-20 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2012-01-19 5:32 PM, Mick wrote: >> >> On Thursday 19 Jan 2012 15:48:32 Michael Mol wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Tanstaafl >>>  wrote: I have a reasonable grasp of how to use IP addresses etc with IPv4, but e

Re: [gentoo-user] Good 'layman' tutorial on IPv4 > IPv6?

2012-01-20 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2012-01-19 5:32 PM, Mick wrote: >> >> On Thursday 19 Jan 2012 15:48:32 Michael Mol wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Tanstaafl >>>  wrote: I have a reasonable grasp of how to use IP addresses etc with IPv4, but e

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange outbound requests

2012-01-20 Thread Mick
On Friday 20 Jan 2012 19:18:59 Grant wrote: > >> My firewall is blocking periodic outbound connections to port 3680 on > >> a Rackspace IP. How can I find out more about what's going on? Maybe > >> which program is generating the connection requests? > > > > Uh, a packet sniffer? > > > > I have

[gentoo-user] Re: after world update cxfe will not emerge

2012-01-20 Thread walt
On 01/20/2012 01:15 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > Hi. I just did a world update using unstable gentoo and my > preserved-rebuild wants me to emerge cxfe, but cxfe will not emerge. I > get the following: > /var/tmp/portage/media-video/cxfe-0.9.2/work/cxfe-0.9.2/cxfe.c:1018: > undefined refer

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange outbound requests

2012-01-20 Thread Grant
>> My firewall is blocking periodic outbound connections to port 3680 on >> a Rackspace IP.  How can I find out more about what's going on?  Maybe >> which program is generating the connection requests? > > Uh, a packet sniffer? > > I have an old laptop here that I have a second (cardbus) network c

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange outbound requests

2012-01-20 Thread Stroller
On 20 January 2012, at 18:34, Grant wrote: > My firewall is blocking periodic outbound connections to port 3680 on > a Rackspace IP. How can I find out more about what's going on? Maybe > which program is generating the connection requests? Uh, a packet sniffer? I have an old laptop here that

[gentoo-user] Re: Portage option "--changed-use" not working?

2012-01-20 Thread »Q«
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:53:32 -0600 »Q« wrote: > I'm not filing a --changed-use bug or posting in the dev list because > of Medico's IMO rather prickly attitude about this kind of thing. He > says in this case: > > The fact is, the user is not being forced to rebuild anything. They > can sim

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage option "--changed-use" not working?

2012-01-20 Thread Dale
»Q« wrote: > On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:25:31 -0600 > Dale wrote: > >> Most man pages are Greek. My Greek is not real good. > > Maybe you've got LINGUAS set incorrectly. ;) > > Quoting the relevant bit again, > > the --changed-use option does not trigger reinstallation when flags > that the u

[gentoo-user] Strange outbound requests

2012-01-20 Thread Grant
My firewall is blocking periodic outbound connections to port 3680 on a Rackspace IP. How can I find out more about what's going on? Maybe which program is generating the connection requests? - Grant

[gentoo-user] Re: Portage option "--changed-use" not working?

2012-01-20 Thread »Q«
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:06:22 + Neil Bothwick wrote: > I suspect this is > specific to the KDE ebuilds (or eclass). changed-use should only skip > an ebuild with changed flags if re-emerging would produce exactly the > same code as before, this may not be the case. For example, in some > ebuil

[gentoo-user] Re: Portage option "--changed-use" not working?

2012-01-20 Thread »Q«
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:25:31 -0600 Dale wrote: > Most man pages are Greek. My Greek is not real good. Maybe you've got LINGUAS set incorrectly. ;) Quoting the relevant bit again, the --changed-use option does not trigger reinstallation when flags that the user has not enabled are added or

Re: [gentoo-user] Good 'layman' tutorial on IPv4 > IPv6?

2012-01-20 Thread Chris Frederick
On 01/20/12 05:07, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2012-01-19 5:32 PM, Mick wrote: >> On Thursday 19 Jan 2012 15:48:32 Michael Mol wrote: >>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Tanstaafl >>> wrote: I have a reasonable grasp of how to use IP addresses etc with IPv4, but every time I start rading a

[gentoo-user] [OT] IPv6 usage patterns (static, DHCPv6, RA, mDNS, ?)

2012-01-20 Thread Grant Edwards
As you may have gathered from my posts yesterday, I'm working on adding IPv6 to an embedded device (actually a family of serial device servers). I've got the device working fine with link-local addressing, but I'm not sure what the next phase should be. While some of our customers are asking for

[gentoo-user] Re: Link-local ipv6 address in /etc/hosts? in browsers?

2012-01-20 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-01-19, Michael Mol wrote: >>> Do you really want that much broadcast and wide multicast (think >>> DNS-SD and NTP in multicast mode) traffic on the same Ethernet >>> segment? >> >> That bit I don't understand. ??It's no worse that ARP, and we seem to >> live with that quite easily. > > No

[gentoo-user] For those who complain

2012-01-20 Thread Albert W. Hopkins
For those who complain about default portage behavior: It changes constantly. If you can't accept the bleeding edge behavior, you're probably using the wrong distro. There are always going to be changes. Some you don't like, some you say "oh gosh, finally!". For the latter, I cheer, for former,

Re: [gentoo-user] Good 'layman' tutorial on IPv4 > IPv6?

2012-01-20 Thread covici
Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2012-01-19 5:32 PM, Mick wrote: > > On Thursday 19 Jan 2012 15:48:32 Michael Mol wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Tanstaafl > >> wrote: > >>> I have a reasonable grasp of how to use IP addresses etc with IPv4, but > >>> every time I start rading about IPv6 I

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage option "--changed-use" not working?

2012-01-20 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 04:08:57 -0600, Dale wrote: > Sometimes my problem is it is like shooting skeet, it's a moving target. Sometimes it moves pretty darn fast too. Zac adds it faster than I can keep up. I wish they would announce new stuff when it get r

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage option "--changed-use" not working?

2012-01-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 04:08:57 -0600, Dale wrote: > >> Sometimes my problem is it is like shooting skeet, it's a moving > >> target. Sometimes it moves pretty darn fast too. Zac adds it > >> faster than I can keep up. I wish they would announce new stuff > >> when it get released, both unstable an

Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.

2012-01-20 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-01-19 5:42 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: There's no known way to decrypt a mail like that without the single private key needed (this works exactly like https traffic to your bank). I feel very confident saying "no known way" as cracking that puzzle has been the Holy Grail of maths prizes for

Re: [gentoo-user] Good 'layman' tutorial on IPv4 > IPv6?

2012-01-20 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-01-19 5:32 PM, Mick wrote: On Thursday 19 Jan 2012 15:48:32 Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: I have a reasonable grasp of how to use IP addresses etc with IPv4, but every time I start rading about IPv6 I get a headache... Does anyone know of a dec

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage option "--changed-use" not working?

2012-01-20 Thread Dale
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:07:18 -0600, Dale wrote: > >> Sometimes my problem is it is like shooting skeet, it's a moving >> target. Sometimes it moves pretty darn fast too. Zac adds it >> faster than I can keep up. I wish they wo

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage option "--changed-use" not working?

2012-01-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:07:18 -0600, Dale wrote: > Sometimes my problem is it is like shooting skeet, it's a moving target. > Sometimes it moves pretty darn fast too. Zac adds it faster than I can > keep up. I wish they would announce new stuff when it get released, > both unstable and stable.

[gentoo-user] after world update cxfe will not emerge

2012-01-20 Thread covici
Hi. I just did a world update using unstable gentoo and my preserved-rebuild wants me to emerge cxfe, but cxfe will not emerge. I get the following: post.c: In function ?pplugin_parse_and_load?: post.c:106:5: warning: implicit declaration of function ?xine_strdupa? post.c:131:6: warning: ?xine_x

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage option "--changed-use" not working?

2012-01-20 Thread Dale
Hilco Wijbenga wrote: > On 19 January 2012 19:25, Dale wrote: >> Hilco Wijbenga wrote: >>> On 19 January 2012 17:38, Dale wrote: Hilco Wijbenga wrote: > On 19 January 2012 16:05, Dale wrote: >> Well, the USE flag got changed. Isn't that what -N is supposed to do? > > -N ==

Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.

2012-01-20 Thread Dale
Paul Hartman wrote: > On Thursday, January 19, 2012, Dale > wrote: >> I don't have mine set up to sign them all. I did a couple to see if it >> worked or not. Whenever I sign a message, it asks for the password. It >> is quite a long password and I don't want to typ

Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.

2012-01-20 Thread Chris Walters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 1/20/2012 02:57 AM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 01:22:50PM -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: >> On 1/19/2012 11:32 AM, Chris Walters wrote: >>> >>> This is a test. Enigmail has been trying to use a revoked and expired key >>> to

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Digital signatures

2012-01-20 Thread Mick
On Friday 20 Jan 2012 07:57:38 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 01:22:50PM -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: > > On 1/19/2012 11:32 AM, Chris Walters wrote: > > > On 1/19/2012 11:57 AM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > >> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 12:53:07AM -0600, Dale wrote: > > >>> While