Re: Recommendation on Backup product for z/VM

2009-12-16 Thread David Boyes
On 12/16/09 11:07 PM, "Alan Altmark" wrote: >> Yes, I wrote requirements. IBM even read them. SMOP. Someday. Play the > Alan >> "show us the business case" tape. Curtain. Two encores. Film at 11. > > Putting RACROUTE REQUEST=AUTH calls in the IBM subsystems is, in fact, on > the to-do list. Gu

Re: Recommendation on Backup product for z/VM

2009-12-16 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 12/16/2009 at 09:21 EST, David Boyes wrote: > :grump. > > On 12/16/09 5:03 PM, "Alan Altmark" wrote: > > > > So. You had to push the Do Not Push button? ;-) You are painting with a > > too-wide brush. "Better" is in the eye of the beholder. When choosing an > > ESM, you n

Re: Recommendation on Backup product for z/VM

2009-12-16 Thread David Boyes
:grump. On 12/16/09 5:03 PM, "Alan Altmark" wrote: > So. You had to push the Do Not Push button? ;-) You are painting with a > too-wide brush. "Better" is in the eye of the beholder. When choosing an > ESM, you need to assess, aside from cost: *sigh* While your points are well argued, I

Re: Recommendation on Backup product for z/VM

2009-12-16 Thread Schuh, Richard
I thought that being a CMS bigot was the first prerequisite for being on this list :-) Regards, Richard Schuh > - Command syntax. Not. :-) I give high marks to VM:Secure > for CMS bigots.

Re: Recommendation on Backup product for z/VM

2009-12-16 Thread Dave Jones
Hi, Barbara. I've had good luck with the IBM system management products, with the exception of the Archive Manager, which I haven't used at all. IBM Support is also very good, imho. I'd be more than happy to discuss this with you in more detail off-list, if you'd like. Happy Holidays. On 1

Re: Recommendation on Backup product for z/VM

2009-12-16 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 12/16/2009 at 02:13 EST, David Boyes wrote: > The CA products are significantly more expensive, but are substantially more > polished and functional. If you go CA, seriously consider VM:Secure as well > -- it's dramatically better than RACF/VM if you don't need to share a > databa

Re: Recommendation on Backup product for z/VM

2009-12-16 Thread Michael Coffin
2009 3:01 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Recommendation on Backup product for z/VM Hi David, Here's the mod to HCPDDR in all it's glory: ./ I 56317202 $ 56317702 500 11/28/07 15:19:06 * TORONTO TRANSIT COMMISSION MODIFICATIONS START HERE PART 1/

Re: Recommendation on Backup product for z/VM

2009-12-16 Thread Mrohs, Ray
CA's VMBackup HiDRO does everything except Linux file-level backups. We use it here to backup CMS minidisks, SFS, and full DASD images. As a bonus, it has a standalone module for bare metal DR restores. It will backup and restore whole Linux volumes but as stated before, the Linux instance better b

Re: Recommendation on Backup product for z/VM

2009-12-16 Thread Peter . Webb
...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: December 16, 2009 14:56 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Recommendation on Backup product for z/VM > What you use for backup depends on how you use the system. Do you have > lots of CMS users, or do you just use CMS for VM and Linux

Re: Recommendation on Backup product for z/VM

2009-12-16 Thread David Boyes
> What you use for backup depends on how you use the system. Do you have > lots of CMS users, or do you just use CMS for VM and Linux > administration? With lots of CMS users, you will need a file level > backup program, such as VM:Backup. Or if you plan to use any of the newer goodies in VM like

Re: Recommendation on Backup product for z/VM

2009-12-16 Thread Peter . Webb
Peter -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Barbara Andrews Sent: December 16, 2009 13:53 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Recommendation on Backup product for z/VM We are looking for a replacement to our current backup method

Re: Recommendation on Backup product for z/VM

2009-12-16 Thread David Boyes
The CA products are significantly more expensive, but are substantially more polished and functional. If you go CA, seriously consider VM:Secure as well -- it's dramatically better than RACF/VM if you don't need to share a database with z/OS any more. Too bad TSM/VM isn't really viable any more. T

Recommendation on Backup product for z/VM

2009-12-16 Thread Barbara Andrews
We are looking for a replacement to our current backup methods and are looking for recommendations. We are currently running several Linux virtual machines on two VM LPARs and have been backing these up, as well as our VM system volumes, via our z/OS system using ADRDSSU. We also use TSM to