Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-24 Thread William D Carroll
6:33 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live? >>> On 11/24/2010 at 04:50 PM, William D Carroll >>> wrote: > My Original Comment on this whole thing was the a 3270 Emulator really is not > a GUI. It is a text based impl

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-24 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 11/24/2010 at 04:50 PM, William D Carroll >>> wrote: > My Original Comment on this whole thing was the a 3270 Emulator really is not > a GUI. It is a text based implementation on a GUI desktop, that does not > make it a GUI, your still typing commands. Of course it is, when you use i

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-24 Thread William D Carroll
x27;Doug' Carroll > > > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 12:54 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-24 Thread Schuh, Richard
of asking. Regards, Richard Schuh > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of William D Carroll > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:32 AM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: The old VM/ESA

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-24 Thread Barton Robinson
Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 12:54 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live? That is an assumption or opinion, not necessarily a fact. For example, my wife may not know the operating system line mode commands, but she ce

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-24 Thread William D Carroll
dnesday, November 24, 2010 12:54 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live? That is an assumption or opinion, not necessarily a fact. For example, my wife may not know the operating system line mode commands, but she certainly knows the accounting systems that s

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-24 Thread Schuh, Richard
That is an assumption or opinion, not necessarily a fact. For example, my wife may not know the operating system line mode commands, but she certainly knows the accounting systems that she uses via a GUI interface. In fact, the GUI represents an increase in productivity. I would suggest that i

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-24 Thread William D Carroll
-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:30 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live? >>> On 11/23/2010 at 10:19 AM, George He

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-23 Thread Kris Buelens
long!" > > > -Original Message- > > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] > > On Behalf Of Jeff Gribbin > > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:54 AM > > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > Subject: [IBMVM] The old VM/E

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-23 Thread Gregg C Levine
--Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] > On Behalf Of Jeff Gribbin > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:54 AM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: [IBMVM] The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live? > > Greetings fol

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-23 Thread George Henke/NYLIC
ot;Nothing is either good or bad but thinking makes it so" Shakespeare RPN01 Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System 11/23/2010 02:33 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live? He

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-23 Thread RPN01
He said he liked typing, not killing trees... -- Bob Nix On 11/23/10 1:30 PM, "Mark Post" wrote: On 11/23/2010 at 10:19 AM, George Henke/NYLIC > wrote: >> Please tell ur laughing friends that GUI, *point and click*, is for people >> who can't type. > > If you really believe that, t

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-23 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 11/23/2010 at 10:19 AM, George Henke/NYLIC wrote: > Please tell ur laughing friends that GUI, *point and click*, is for people > who can't type. If you really believe that, then I would like to hear your reaction after giving up your 3270 emulator and doing all your work from a 2714.

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-23 Thread Schuh, Richard
Regards, Richard Schuh > Advanced sysprogs may or may not appreciate this, but novices > will certainly benefit from such advances in these user interfaces. As can those who are keyboard challenged, regardless of their experience level.

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-23 Thread Jeff Gribbin
Hmm - without a workstation agent I guess this might be a non-runner - shame, I think I'd have learned a lot from trying to get it working even if I'd only ever got as far as getting the CMS Desktop to (sort-of) function. I empathise with the young folk because I can still recall the challenge it

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-23 Thread Barton Robinson
/23/2010 07:54 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live? Greetings folks, Some recent discussion brought to mind the old CMS GUI Facility that ship ped

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-23 Thread David Boyes
> Anybody using it? Sort of. > Anybody prepared to admit they're using it? Kris Bulens is the master dude of CMS GUI stuff. Dave Jones and I did some stuff with it a few years back and there are some cool example bits on the VM Download Library, but the clients have all but disappeared, the M

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-23 Thread Rich Smrcina
The VM/CMS GUI was interesting in it's day as an end user tool. Today, user interface technology is far beyond what it could ever have dreamed of. Also, the interaction available with the system (z/VM) has grown up many fold. Systems Programmers can choose to use a GUI or the green screen, wh

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-23 Thread George Henke/NYLIC
hind the GUI curtain. Jeff Gribbin Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System 11/23/2010 07:54 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live? Greetings folks, Some recent discussion brought to mind the

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-23 Thread Dave Jones
Hi, Jeff. Yes, the VM GUI facility still exists. On 11/23/2010 06:54 AM, Jeff Gribbin wrote: > Greetings folks, > Some recent discussion brought to mind the old CMS GUI Facility that shipped > with VM/ESA 2.1 - and now I'm in a position where I might for the first time > actually be able to confi

Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-23 Thread Richard Troth
Perceptive choice of words, "prepared to admit". The GUI is another terrific bit of work by the Endicott team that we turned our noses up at. It uses the same agent as ... shoot ... ISPF, I think. So the last time I ran it (on 5.4, within the past year) I had to steal an agent from one of the MV

The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

2010-11-23 Thread Jeff Gribbin
Greetings folks, Some recent discussion brought to mind the old CMS GUI Facility that ship ped with VM/ESA 2.1 - and now I'm in a position where I might for the first t ime actually be able to configure a z/VM system to allow me to play with the beast, I got to wondering if it even still exists. T