Re: [PATCH] bug 515: cycle between buffers function needed

2004-10-19 Thread Asger Kunuk Ottar Alstrup
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I chose C-Next and C-Prior for cua.bind because this is what mozilla uses for tabs, but we can use something else (C-tab?) if there is some existing standard. The CUA standard is to use C-F6 and C-S-F6 for this, so you might want to add those.

Re: Spirit for XML file parsing

2004-10-19 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 12:37:37PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lars == Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Lars But is not just about resolving, but also about confirming that |

Re: Confirming bugs

2004-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Georg == Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Georg The catch is what everybody above means. E.g. for bug 830, I Georg am not a member of the set everybody. You can now. Of course, we want to add more people to the list of bugzilla helper. So if you want to help, ask now! JMarc

Re: [PATCH] bug 515: cycle between buffers function needed

2004-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Asger == Asger Kunuk Ottar Alstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Asger On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I chose C-Next and C-Prior for cua.bind because this is what mozilla uses for tabs, but we can use something else (C-tab?) if there is some existing standard. Asger The CUA

Re: [PATCH] bug 515: cycle between buffers function needed

2004-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Bennett == Bennett Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bennett On Mac OS X, cmd` (M-`) and cmdshift` are for next and Bennett previous windows, respectively. (cmdtab and Bennett cmdshifttab cycle among applications; opttab Bennett (C-tab) is generally the same as tab alone.) This is what I will add

Re: lyx140cvs: german menu translations

2004-10-19 Thread Georg Baum
Angus Leeming wrote: The only problem is, 'Nach' and 'Bis' should be encoded in the 'German' language. Ok Ok ;-) Georg

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Karakas
Andreas Vox [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 18.10.04 22:30:09: Chris Karakas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suggest to leave validation to validating parsers, or, if you want to validate, then use an external one, Unfortunately it's not about validating but about producing parsable DocBook.

Re: Confirming bugs

2004-10-19 Thread Georg Baum
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: You can now. Of course, we want to add more people to the list of bugzilla helper. So if you want to help, ask now! Dumb question (but meant seriously): Why does such a list exist at all? Is it documented somewhere on the bugzilla pages? Georg

Re: Confirming bugs

2004-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Georg == Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Georg Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: You can now. Of course, we want to add more people to the list of bugzilla helper. So if you want to help, ask now! Georg Dumb question (but meant seriously): Why does such a list exist Georg at all? Is it

Re: lyx140cvs: german menu translations

2004-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Georg == Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Georg Am Montag, 18. Oktober 2004 16:24 schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: I really do not like the idea to use en.po whereas the user has set for example LC_ALL=C. This really seems like a hack to me. Georg Ok, you convinced me. An additional

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Karakas
José Abílio Oliveira Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 18.10.04 23:17:04: it is not that simple! The underscore may very well be allowed in the value of an ID attribute, at least in SGML! This quite tricky subject is dealt in: character _ not allowed in value of attribute ID

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Karakas
Andreas Vox wrote: Well, if Chris wants to, he can of course do it. He just wont be able to produce LyX documents which produce references which contain the new characters :-P And if Chris manages to convince the DocBook stylesheet guys to include his change to the SGML declaration, I'll be

Re: Confirming bugs

2004-10-19 Thread Georg Baum
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Users have privileges. I have the privilege of changing users privilege :) It is like for cvs access, we grant it as needed. I am not sure it would be a good thing to allow everybody to confirm bugs. Since everybody in this context means everybody with a bugzilla

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread José Abílio Oliveira Matos
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 01:12:47PM +0200, Chris Karakas wrote: There is more to it than you think. here is a scenario: - Labels become filenames: http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/labels-as-filenames.html - The first version of the document goes online. - Search engines crawl and

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Andreas Vox
Chris Karakas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is more to it than you think. here is a scenario: ... Leave it to the SGML parser. The parser will complain - if it has to. I understand your argument now. What about this approach: * change the default for new labels from sec:blabla to

Re: Confirming bugs

2004-10-19 Thread Andreas Vox
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | Georg == Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | Georg Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: | You can now. Of course, we want to add more people to the list of | bugzilla helper. So if you want to help, ask now! | | Georg Dumb question (but meant

A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Angus Leeming
What to do if the XFig picture *includes* an EPS figure? Our new, improved handling of the conversion of such XFig files to EPS,PSTEX_T in the tmp directory doesn't work as it did in LyX 1.3.x, because the included EPS figure is not moved. One solution is to reference the EPS figure in the

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Karakas
Andreas Vox wrote: If you ask me, LyX should only export 1.) the original graphic file 2.) a PNG / JPG / PDF version, whatever is most appropiate 3.) Ghostscript EPS-wrappers for the above Then LyX could have export *options* for 4.) Full EPS files to produce PS without Ghostscript

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Karakas
José Abílio Oliveira Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 19.10.04 13:32:21: On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 01:12:47PM +0200, Chris Karakas wrote: - Somebody in the DocBook committee decided that underscore is out. First I understand your point, second the problem is precisely the opposite

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Karakas
Andreas Vox [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 19.10.04 13:39:58: What about this approach: * change the default for new labels from sec:blabla to sec.blabla (yes, right now LyX _leads_ the user to have non-standard ids! ) * have a document setting enforce standard SGML/XML ids * use the

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Andreas Vox
Chris Karakas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I always overwrite the standard label, so I never minded that sec:blabla is illegal. You want to bet how many documents with these labels are out there? :-) Your solution is acceptable for me. But please don't make the setting enforce standard

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread José Abílio Oliveira Matos
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 02:39:56PM +0200, Chris Karakas wrote: José Abílio Oliveira Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 19.10.04 13:32:21: On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 01:12:47PM +0200, Chris Karakas wrote: - Somebody in the DocBook committee decided that underscore is out. First I

Re: A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Andreas Vox
Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What to do if the XFig picture *includes* an EPS figure? Our new, improved handling of the conversion of such XFig files to EPS,PSTEX_T in the tmp directory doesn't work as it did in LyX 1.3.x, because the included EPS figure is not moved. ... If

Re: A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Angus Leeming
Andreas Vox wrote: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What to do if the XFig picture *includes* an EPS figure? Our new, improved handling of the conversion of such XFig files to EPS,PSTEX_T in the tmp directory doesn't work as it did in LyX 1.3.x, because the included EPS

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Andreas Vox
Jos Ablio Oliveira Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It violates the principle you asked for it, you got it. That is not your principle. What You See Is What You Mean (not What You Get). We also have the principle You don't have to be a LaTeX initiate to use LyX. I think this should

Re: Confirming bugs

2004-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andreas == Andreas Vox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andreas So if I ask nicely I could get the permission to change bug Andreas status? :-) Andreas Well then, I wouldn't mind ... You have this permission now. JMarc

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread José Abílio Oliveira Matos
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 01:36:55PM +, Andreas Vox wrote: José Abílio Oliveira Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It violates the principle you asked for it, you got it. That is not your principle. What You See Is What You Mean (not What You Get). We also have the principle

Re: Confirming bugs

2004-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Georg == Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Georg Since everybody in this context means everybody with a Georg bugzilla account: How big is the risk that somebody creates an Georg account just for destroying bugzilla information? I really Georg don't know. It is not a problem of people

Re: A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andreas == Andreas Vox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andreas Is such a strategy possible? Thoughts? Andreas Looks like this is getting a mess. This looks as if LyX has Andreas to outsmart all possible converters ... Yes, I really think we should not try to be too smart (and I am guilty of that

Re: A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Angus Leeming
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Andreas Is such a strategy possible? Thoughts? Andreas Looks like this is getting a mess. This looks as if LyX has Andreas to outsmart all possible converters ... Yes, I really think we should not try to be too smart (and I am guilty of that sometimes).

Re: A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Angus == Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Angus Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Andreas Is such a strategy possible? Thoughts? Andreas Looks like this is getting a mess. This looks as if LyX has Andreas to outsmart all possible converters ... Yes, I really think we should not try to be

Re: A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Andreas Vox
Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alternative A) Leave the xfig file where it is and force all converters to understand a '-d' flag for the output directory. Nope. Bad idea for all sorts of reasons. The main one being that you are using the directory in which your important files

Re: Spirit for XML file parsing

2004-10-19 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andreas Vox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | John Levon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Andreas Vox's recently stuff for example (I still think LyX can one day be an excellent DocBook editor) | blush/ | So you didn't see the bugs which crept in? | (No, I'm not talking about spurious spaces! ;-) )

Re: Confirming bugs

2004-10-19 Thread chr
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Georg == Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Georg Since everybody in this context means everybody with a Georg bugzilla account: How big is the risk that somebody creates an Georg account just for destroying bugzilla information? I really

[Off topic] PostScript tools

2004-10-19 Thread Angus Leeming
I have some PostScript files of structures made up of many polygons that first draw the 'background' polygons and then overwrite them with the 'foreground' ones. Does anyone know of a utility that would strip the 'overwritten' polygons from the file, to reduce file size etc? -- Angus

Re: Spirit for XML file parsing

2004-10-19 Thread chr
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: And I also admit that I don't want LyX as a DocBook editor, just as I don't want LyX as a LaTeX editor. But do have anything against LyX being able to produce DocBooks? (It's the specificness that you don't like, right?) /Christian --

Re: A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Angus Leeming
Andreas Vox wrote: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alternative A) Leave the xfig file where it is and force all converters to understand a '-d' flag for the output directory. Nope. Bad idea for all sorts of reasons. The main one being that you are using the directory in

Re: Spirit for XML file parsing

2004-10-19 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: And I also admit that I don't want LyX as a DocBook editor, just as I don't want LyX as a LaTeX editor. | But do have anything against LyX being able to produce DocBooks? | (It's the specificness that you don't like,

Re: [Off topic] PostScript tools

2004-10-19 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | I have some PostScript files of structures made up of many polygons | that first draw the 'background' polygons and then overwrite them | with the 'foreground' ones. | Does anyone know of a utility that would strip the 'overwritten' | polygons from

Re: [Off topic] PostScript tools

2004-10-19 Thread Angus Leeming
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | I have some PostScript files of structures made up of many | polygons that first draw the 'background' polygons and then | overwrite them with the 'foreground' ones. | Does anyone know of a utility that would strip the

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Karakas
José Abílio Oliveira Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 19.10.04 15:24:00: Well...that's precisely what happened to me, believe it or not. My documents worked with underscores in the labels, then I upgraded DocBook, openjade and the rest - and suddenly they did not work. But then it

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Andreas Vox
Chris Karakas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that I have thought a bit about it (and read your message a lot of times), I come to believe that I prefer both solutions, yours and Andreas' one. They are not mutually exclusive, so they could be implemented both. I would then have the option to

Re: A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Angus Leeming
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Angus Hmmm. I don't think I am suggesting 'too smart'. I'm suggesting Angus that we augment these tokens understood by the converters Angus string const token_from($$i); string const Angus token_base($$b); string const token_to($$o); string const Angus

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Karakas
Andreas Vox [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 19.10.04 18:47:26: Something like this Document settings-SGML: enforce valid SGML/XML ids (yes,no): yes if yes, additional allowed chars:.:_ what you have in mind? Second input field would be disabled if answer to first one is no,

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread José Abílio Oliveira Matos
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 04:46:45PM +, Andreas Vox wrote: Something like this Document settings-SGML: enforce valid SGML/XML ids (yes,no): yes if yes, additional allowed chars:.:_ what you have in mind? Second input field would be disabled if answer to first one is no,

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Karakas
José Abílio Oliveira Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 19.10.04 19:16:13: The idea is getting better. But I don't like the idea of a document dialog. This is an option for docbook, not for the document. Read bellow what I propose. You propose to control everything through that CNAME

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Georg Baum
Am Dienstag, 19. Oktober 2004 21:11 schrieb Chris Karakas: José Abílio Oliveira Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 19.10.04 19:16:13: I propose thus that all the configuration goes in the textclass, where it belongs in my humble opinion: I agree. Maybe from some standpoint it belongs

Re: A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Georg Baum
Am Dienstag, 19. Oktober 2004 13:56 schrieb Angus Leeming: What to do if the XFig picture *includes* an EPS figure? Our new, improved handling of the conversion of such XFig files to EPS,PSTEX_T in the tmp directory doesn't work as it did in LyX 1.3.x, because the included EPS figure is not

Re: A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Angus Leeming
Georg Baum wrote: Is such a strategy possible? Thoughts? As I understand it, this means that fig2pstex.sh, which is supposed to convert from fig to pstex, modifies its input. I don't like that. Please enlighten me if this is a misunderstanding. No, you understand right. The alternative is

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread José Abílio Oliveira Matos
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 10:12:58PM +0200, Georg Baum wrote: Maybe from some standpoint it belongs there. But it is not user-friendly to expect the user to tweak layout files, IMHO. IMHO if a user can modify his SGML declaration he can as well edit layout files. The nonexpert user will

Re: Spirit for XML file parsing

2004-10-19 Thread John Levon
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 04:45:55PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bj?nnes wrote: what I want (future stuff) is to have a nice xml file format, that is expressive enought to produce docbook, latex, ascii etc. from. With no direct support inside the LyX binary for this to happen. Ah, XSLT, right?! john

Re: Fwd: Re: Cygwin and 1.3.5

2004-10-19 Thread Kayvan A. Sylvan
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 11:17:03PM +0800, Rod Pinna wrote: Kayvan, Thanks alot, that would be great. I'm happy to compile it myself, but I seem to have some sort of problem with my cygwin installation. Do you need to do anything particular to get it to compile under cygwin? Thanks, Rod

Re: [PATCH] bug 515: cycle between buffers function needed

2004-10-19 Thread Bennett Helm
On Oct 19, 2004, at 4:57 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: This is what I will add to mac.bind. OK? \bind C-grave buffer-next \bind C-asciitilde buffer-previous Sounds good! Bennett

mathed + empty subscripts/superscripts == crash

2004-10-19 Thread Alysson Ferrari
LyX developers: I've noticed several instabilities concerning the math editor and subscripts/superscripts. In the following, I give the recipe for one crash and one odd behaviour of  LyX 1.3.5 (also happens in 1.3.4): CRASH: *  Math-display. *  type ab, for example. *  LEFT CURSOR, so that

Re: [PATCH] bug 515: cycle between buffers function needed

2004-10-19 Thread Asger Kunuk Ottar Alstrup
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > I chose C-Next and C-Prior for cua.bind because this is what mozilla > uses for tabs, but we can use something else (C-tab?) if there is some > existing standard. The CUA standard is to use C-F6 and C-S-F6 for this, so you might want to add

Re: Spirit for XML file parsing

2004-10-19 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 12:37:37PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: >> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> >> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > >> | Lars> But is not just about resolving, but also

Re: Confirming bugs

2004-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Georg> The catch is what "everybody" above means. E.g. for bug 830, I Georg> am not a member of the set "everybody". You can now. Of course, we want to add more people to the list of bugzilla helper. So if you want to help, ask now! JMarc

Re: [PATCH] bug 515: cycle between buffers function needed

2004-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Asger" == Asger Kunuk Ottar Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Asger> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> I chose C-Next and C-Prior for cua.bind because this is what >> mozilla uses for tabs, but we can use something else (C-tab?) if >> there is some existing standard.

Re: [PATCH] bug 515: cycle between buffers function needed

2004-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Bennett" == Bennett Helm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bennett> On Mac OS X, ` (M-`) and ` are for next and Bennett> previous windows, respectively. ( and Bennett> cycle among applications; Bennett> (C-tab) is generally the same as alone.) This is what I will add to mac.bind. OK? \bind

Re: lyx140cvs: german menu translations

2004-10-19 Thread Georg Baum
Angus Leeming wrote: > The only problem is, 'Nach' and 'Bis' should be encoded in the 'German' > language. Ok Ok ;-) Georg

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Karakas
Andreas Vox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am 18.10.04 22:30:09: > > Chris Karakas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I suggest to leave validation to validating parsers, or, > if you want to validate, then use an external one, > > Unfortunately it's not about validating but about producing

Re: Confirming bugs

2004-10-19 Thread Georg Baum
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > You can now. Of course, we want to add more people to the list of > bugzilla helper. So if you want to help, ask now! Dumb question (but meant seriously): Why does such a list exist at all? Is it documented somewhere on the bugzilla pages? Georg

Re: Confirming bugs

2004-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Georg> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> You can now. Of course, we want to add more people to the list of >> bugzilla helper. So if you want to help, ask now! Georg> Dumb question (but meant seriously): Why does such a list exist Georg> at

Re: lyx140cvs: german menu translations

2004-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Georg> Am Montag, 18. Oktober 2004 16:24 schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: >> I really do not like the idea to use en.po whereas the user has set >> for example LC_ALL=C. This really seems like a hack to me. Georg> Ok, you convinced me. An

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Karakas
José Abílio Oliveira Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am 18.10.04 23:17:04: > > > > > it is not that simple! The underscore may very well be allowed in the value of an > > ID attribute, at least in SGML! This quite tricky subject is dealt in: > > > > character "_" not allowed in value of

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Karakas
Andreas Vox wrote: > Well, if Chris wants to, he can of course do it. He just wont be able to produce > LyX documents which produce references which contain the new characters :-P > > And if Chris manages to convince the DocBook stylesheet guys to include his > change to the SGML declaration,

Re: Confirming bugs

2004-10-19 Thread Georg Baum
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Users have privileges. I have the privilege of changing users > privilege :) It is like for cvs access, we grant it as needed. > > I am not sure it would be a good thing to allow everybody to confirm > bugs. Since "everybody" in this context means "everybody with a

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread José Abílio Oliveira Matos
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 01:12:47PM +0200, Chris Karakas wrote: > > There is more to it than you think. here is a scenario: > > - Labels become filenames: > > http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/labels-as-filenames.html > - The first version of the document goes online. > > - Search engines

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Andreas Vox
Chris Karakas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There is more to it than you think. here is a scenario: ... > Leave it to the SGML parser. The parser will complain - if it has to. I understand your argument now. What about this approach: * change the default for new labels from "sec:blabla" to

Re: Confirming bugs

2004-10-19 Thread Andreas Vox
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | | > "Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | | Georg> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: | >> You can now. Of course, we want to add more people to the list of | >> bugzilla helper. So if you want to help, ask now! | | Georg> Dumb

A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Angus Leeming
What to do if the XFig picture *includes* an EPS figure? Our new, improved handling of the conversion of such XFig files to EPS,PSTEX_T in the tmp directory doesn't work as it did in LyX 1.3.x, because the included EPS figure is not moved. One solution is to reference the EPS figure in the

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Karakas
Andreas Vox wrote: > > If you ask me, LyX should only export > 1.) the original graphic file > 2.) a PNG / JPG / PDF version, whatever is most appropiate > 3.) Ghostscript EPS-wrappers for the above > > Then LyX could have export *options* for > 4.) Full EPS files to produce PS without

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Karakas
José Abílio Oliveira Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am 19.10.04 13:32:21: > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 01:12:47PM +0200, Chris Karakas wrote: > > > > - Somebody in the DocBook committee decided that underscore is "out". > > First I understand your point, second the problem is precisely the

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Karakas
Andreas Vox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am 19.10.04 13:39:58: > > What about this approach: > > * change the default for new labels from "sec:blabla" to "sec.blabla" > (yes, right now LyX _leads_ the user to have non-standard ids! ) > * have a document setting "enforce standard SGML/XML ids" >

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Andreas Vox
Chris Karakas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I always overwrite the standard label, so I never minded that > "sec:blabla" is illegal. You want to bet how many documents with these labels are out there? :-) > Your solution is acceptable for me. But please don't make the setting > "enforce

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread José Abílio Oliveira Matos
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 02:39:56PM +0200, Chris Karakas wrote: > José Abílio Oliveira Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am 19.10.04 13:32:21: > > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 01:12:47PM +0200, Chris Karakas wrote: > > > > > > - Somebody in the DocBook committee decided that underscore is "out". >

Re: A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Andreas Vox
Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: < What to do if the XFig picture *includes* an EPS figure? Our new, < improved handling of the conversion of such XFig files to EPS,PSTEX_T < in the tmp directory doesn't work as it did in LyX 1.3.x, because the < included EPS figure is not moved.

Re: A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Angus Leeming
Andreas Vox wrote: > Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > < What to do if the XFig picture *includes* an EPS figure? Our new, > < improved handling of the conversion of such XFig files to > EPS,PSTEX_T < in the tmp directory doesn't work as it did in LyX > 1.3.x, because the <

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Andreas Vox
Josà AbÃlio Oliveira Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > It violates the principle "you asked for it, you got it". > > That is not your principle. > What You See Is What You Mean (not What You Get). We also have the principle "You don't have to be a LaTeX initiate to use LyX". I think

Re: Confirming bugs

2004-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andreas" == Andreas Vox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andreas> So if I ask nicely I could get the permission to change bug Andreas> status? :-) Andreas> Well then, I wouldn't mind ... You have this permission now. JMarc

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread José Abílio Oliveira Matos
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 01:36:55PM +, Andreas Vox wrote: > José Abílio Oliveira Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > It violates the principle "you asked for it, you got it". > > > > That is not your principle. > > What You See Is What You Mean (not What You Get). > > We also

Re: Confirming bugs

2004-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Georg> Since "everybody" in this context means "everybody with a Georg> bugzilla account": How big is the risk that somebody creates an Georg> account just for destroying bugzilla information? I really Georg> don't know. It is not a

Re: A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andreas" == Andreas Vox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andreas> < Is such a strategy possible? Thoughts? Andreas> Looks like this is getting a mess. This looks as if LyX has Andreas> to outsmart all possible converters ... Yes, I really think we should not try to be too smart (and I am

Re: A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Angus Leeming
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Andreas> < Is such a strategy possible? Thoughts? > > Andreas> Looks like this is getting a mess. This looks as if LyX has > Andreas> to outsmart all possible converters ... > > Yes, I really think we should not try to be too smart (and I am > guilty of that

Re: A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Angus> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Andreas> < Is such a strategy possible? Thoughts? >> Andreas> Looks like this is getting a mess. This looks as if LyX has Andreas> to outsmart all possible converters ... >> Yes, I really think we

Re: A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Andreas Vox
Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: < > Alternative A) < > Leave the xfig file where it is and force all converters to < > understand a '-d' flag for the output directory. < < Nope. Bad idea for all sorts of reasons. The main one being that you < are using the directory in which your

Re: Spirit for XML file parsing

2004-10-19 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andreas Vox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I like Andreas Vox's recently stuff for example (I still >> think LyX can one day be an excellent DocBook editor) > | | So you didn't see the bugs which crept in? | (No, I'm not talking about spurious spaces!

Re: Confirming bugs

2004-10-19 Thread chr
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Georg> Since "everybody" in this context means "everybody with a > Georg> bugzilla account": How big is the risk that somebody creates an > Georg> account just for destroying bugzilla

[Off topic] PostScript tools

2004-10-19 Thread Angus Leeming
I have some PostScript files of structures made up of many polygons that first draw the 'background' polygons and then overwrite them with the 'foreground' ones. Does anyone know of a utility that would strip the 'overwritten' polygons from the file, to reduce file size etc? -- Angus

Re: Spirit for XML file parsing

2004-10-19 Thread chr
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > And I also admit that I don't want LyX as a DocBook editor, just as I > don't want LyX as a LaTeX editor. But do have anything against LyX being able to produce DocBooks? (It's the specificness that you don't like, right?) /Christian --

Re: A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Angus Leeming
Andreas Vox wrote: > Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > < > Alternative A) > < > Leave the xfig file where it is and force all converters to > < > understand a '-d' flag for the output directory. > < > < Nope. Bad idea for all sorts of reasons. The main one being that > you < are

Re: Spirit for XML file parsing

2004-10-19 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > >> And I also admit that I don't want LyX as a DocBook editor, just as I >> don't want LyX as a LaTeX editor. > | But do have anything against LyX being able to produce DocBooks? | (It's the specificness that you don't

Re: [Off topic] PostScript tools

2004-10-19 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | I have some PostScript files of structures made up of many polygons | that first draw the 'background' polygons and then overwrite them | with the 'foreground' ones. > | Does anyone know of a utility that would strip the 'overwritten' | polygons

Re: [Off topic] PostScript tools

2004-10-19 Thread Angus Leeming
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | I have some PostScript files of structures made up of many > | polygons that first draw the 'background' polygons and then > | overwrite them with the 'foreground' ones. >> > | Does anyone know of a utility that would

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Karakas
José Abílio Oliveira Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am 19.10.04 15:24:00: > > > Well...that's precisely what happened to me, believe it or not. > > My documents worked with underscores in the labels, then I upgraded > > DocBook, openjade and the rest - and suddenly they did not work. > >

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Andreas Vox
Chris Karakas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: < Now that I have thought a bit about it (and read your message a lot of times), < I come to believe that I prefer both solutions, yours and Andreas' one. < < They are not mutually exclusive, so they could be implemented both. < I would then have the

Re: A real prblem with XFig images

2004-10-19 Thread Angus Leeming
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Angus> Hmmm. I don't think I am suggesting 'too smart'. I'm > suggesting Angus> that we augment these tokens understood by the > converters > > Angus> string const token_from("$$i"); string const > Angus> token_base("$$b"); string const token_to("$$o");

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Karakas
Andreas Vox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am 19.10.04 18:47:26: > > Something like this Document settings->SGML: > >enforce valid SGML/XML ids (yes,no): yes >if yes, additional allowed chars:.:_ > > what you have in mind? > Second input field would be disabled if answer to first one

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread José Abílio Oliveira Matos
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 04:46:45PM +, Andreas Vox wrote: > > Something like this Document settings->SGML: > >enforce valid SGML/XML ids (yes,no): yes >if yes, additional allowed chars:.:_ > > what you have in mind? > Second input field would be disabled if answer to first one

Re: [PATCH] Docbook export math/graphic/refs

2004-10-19 Thread Chris Karakas
José Abílio Oliveira Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am 19.10.04 19:16:13: > > The idea is getting better. > But I don't like the idea of a document dialog. This is an option for docbook, > not for the document. Read bellow what I propose. > You propose to control everything through that

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