[MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-27 Thread Zeitgeist
I was talking with a co-worker yesterday about getting the AC working in our MBs. She has a pristine '83 300D, and with the heatwave we're experiencing up here--it's all relative folks--we'd both like to find a place locally to re-charge our R12 systems without converting to 134a like all the sho

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-27 Thread Scott Ritchey
tgeist Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:44 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore? I was talking with a co-worker yesterday about getting the AC working in our MBs. She has a pristine '83 300D, and with the heatwave we're experienc

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-27 Thread Jim Cathey
I was talking with a co-worker yesterday about getting the AC working in our MBs. She has a pristine '83 300D, and with the heatwave we're experiencing up here--it's all relative folks--we'd both like to find a place locally to re-charge our R12 systems without converting to 134a like all the

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-27 Thread Zeitgeist
Hey Jim, thanks for the link. Are you still running the isobutane/propane mix in your rigs? I was recently given an ancient Bear brand A/C recovery unit (minus some key components), so now I have access to lots of spare R-12 hoses and fittings. I gather it would be unwise to operate the vehicle

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-27 Thread Curt Raymond
e AutoFrost and have somebody else to do the work. Even better would be somebody who'd let me help so I could see how its done. -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:10:58 -0400 From: "Scott Ritchey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C servi

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-28 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: > > Has anybody ever gotten a shop to use one of the alternate refridgerants? If I owned the shop, and I was set up for R12 reclaiming (I'd have to be in order to do R12->134a conversions) I'd suck out your R12 and replace it with whatever you wanted if you provided me with t

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-28 Thread Zeitgeist
Ok, so I stopped by the local outdoor store, but became confused by the dizzying array of propane/butane/isobutane etc. and beat a hasty retreat back into my car and a thumb-sucking fetal position. I thought I wanted straight isobutane, which they don't carry. There were some mixtures of all thr

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-28 Thread Jim Cathey
Ok, so I stopped by the local outdoor store, but became confused by the dizzying array of propane/butane/isobutane etc. and beat a hasty retreat back into my car and a thumb-sucking fetal position. I thought I wanted straight isobutane, which they don't carry. No, it's all a mix. IsoPro is

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-28 Thread Jim Cathey
You can use a regular R12 can tap clamped to the side of the can, or do what I did and sacrifice a Goodwill camp stove to get the proper tap fitting. Hose clamps and a bit of fuel line rounds out the tool. Then you can put away a partial can if you want. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
ow its done. -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:10:58 -0400 From: "Scott Ritchey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore? To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Ty

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-28 Thread Zeitgeist
0400 > From: "Scott Ritchey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore? > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > But

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-28 Thread Zeitgeist
[why the hell do I do that? I sent that out before I was done composing--idiot!] Uh yes, as I was attempting to pontificate...I'm trying to figure out the best way to tap into the cans. They're much wider and squatter than your regular freon can, so my tap won't apparently work. I don't want t

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-28 Thread Jim Cathey
Uh yes, as I was attempting to pontificate...I'm trying to figure out the best way to tap into the cans. They're much wider and squatter than your regular freon can, so my tap won't apparently work. I don't want to buy an expensive stove, just to canniballize and use for my illicit purposes.

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-28 Thread Mitch Haley
Jim Cathey wrote: > > Until I found my expensive stove for cheap at Goodwill, I made a strap > out of a coat hanger that I used, in conjunction with two small vise > grips, to clamp the R12 can tap to the side of the can. How about a vise grip on the bottom rim of the can and a large hose clamp

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-28 Thread Jim Cathey
How about a vise grip on the bottom rim of the can and a large hose clamp up above? Sure! I just didn't have a hose clamp that large, and it was quicker to flange one up out of wire than to go get one. Once I had it, then I didn't need the hose clamp anymore, so I never did go get one. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-29 Thread Zeitgeist
I'm still trying to figure out how to gain access to the stuff in the cans, but I think my can-tap will need to be permanently altered in order to facilitate the process. I did some research (ok, Googling) on the subject of isobutane and refrigerants, and found this company in the UK selling the

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-29 Thread Jim Cathey
I'm still trying to figure out how to gain access to the stuff in the cans, but I think my can-tap will need to be permanently altered in order to facilitate the process. My tap had a hooked side that slipped over the ridge on the neck of the can, and a cam lever that latched over the other sid

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-29 Thread Zeitgeist
I guess I need a different can-tap. Mine looks sorta like this one: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q17C5285D On 6/29/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My tap had a hooked side that slipped over the ridge on the neck of the can, and a cam lever that latched over the other side. Then the

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-06-29 Thread Jim Cathey
I guess I need a different can-tap. Mine looks sorta like this one: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q17C5285D I can see how that would be a problem. Does the metal bit come out of the pliers? You could take a block of wood and scoop out a trough for the fuel can, then drill a hole into which to

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-07-21 Thread Zeitgeist
Update of sorts: I ended up buying a cheap ebay camp stove and soldering the fitting from my cheesy clamp-on unit to the stove hose; now I'm in bidness! Charged up the wife's 123 with not one, but two cans o' Cathey's cajun-style special hotsauce (isobutane/propane), but it took quite a while fo

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-07-21 Thread David Brodbeck
Zeitgeist wrote: > Is there a surefire way to pinpoint the source of the leak without the use > of dyes? Since you can hear hissing, how about using a length of hose as a stethoscope? Just stick one end of a hunk of vacuum or fuel hose in your ear, and probe with the other end. It's surprising h

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-07-21 Thread Zeitgeist
I might give that a try. I tried my mechanic's stethoscope, but couldn't hear anything. On 7/21/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Since you can hear hissing, how about using a length of hose as a stethoscope? Just stick one end of a hunk of vacuum or fuel hose in your ear, and pr

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-07-21 Thread Harry Watkins
Better than soapy water is the bubble making liquid kids play with, cheap and effective. Harry > I might give that a try. I tried my mechanic's stethoscope, but couldn't > hear anything. > > On 7/21/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Since you can hear hissing, how about

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-07-21 Thread Zeitgeist
Well, I ended up pumping compressed air in there and didn't "see" anything, but eventually found that the discharge port was leaking when I placed my hand back there. As I said before, those are new o-rings and the bolt was pretty damn tight, so I'm not sure how to make this thing seal correctly.

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-07-21 Thread Jim Cathey
wife's 123 with not one, but two cans o' Cathey's cajun-style special hotsauce (isobutane/propane), but it took quite a while for the system to show some signs of life. As of now it's producing vent temps in the high forties, with a low side reading of 20psi and a high side of 120psi (cloudy

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-07-25 Thread Zeitgeist
Well, I found out that the inner lip of my discharge port is damaged, which is causing the loud hissing sound. I remember taking note of this when I last had the compressor out of the car, but thought the o-ring would be able to compensate, since the damage is inside the sealing area--no such luc

Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?

2006-07-28 Thread Jim Cathey
Well, I found out that the inner lip of my discharge port is damaged, which is causing the loud hissing sound. I remember taking note of this when I last had the compressor out of the car, but thought the o-ring would be able to compensate, since the damage is inside the sealing area--no such