Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names & artists: Missa solemnis

2011-05-24 Thread caller#6
On 05/24/2011 02:29 PM, symphonick wrote: > 2011/5/22, caller#6: >> 4. Where the liner gives the key in French / English / German, I'd use >> French as the default, simply because it's a French label. Could that >> logic be applied to the Release Group title? That is, should the label's >> count

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names & artists: Missa solemnis

2011-05-24 Thread symphonick
2011/5/22, caller#6 : > > > On 05/21/2011 03:34 PM, symphonick wrote: >> First version of my research page for CSG release names& artists. >> >> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick/Unofficial_CSG_release_names >> > 2. It seems to me (and I guess you agree) that listing /all/ the artists >

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Add CD-r to the format list

2011-05-24 Thread Kuno Woudt
On 24/05/11 19:50, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: > I was surprised when I saw this was not on the list. We have lots of > those (see http://musicbrainz.org/tag/format-cd-r for a sample) and I > would say it is distinctive enough to have it as an option under CD > (or, if not, to have another way

[mb-style] RFC: Add CD-r to the format list

2011-05-24 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
I was surprised when I saw this was not on the list. We have lots of those (see http://musicbrainz.org/tag/format-cd-r for a sample) and I would say it is distinctive enough to have it as an option under CD (or, if not, to have another way of indicating it). -- Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren

Re: [mb-style] NGS guidelines

2011-05-24 Thread Kuno Woudt
Hello, > So how did such a major and complete rewrite skip RFC/RFV, and become > official within 6 days of being announced (if you count nikki's May 10 email > as being the RFC, though not mentioned in the email's subject). I think this misrepresents what nikki and I have done. No major chang

Re: [mb-style] NGS guidelines

2011-05-24 Thread Robert Kaye
On May 24, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote: > I couldn't agree more and I've raised this issue in at least one > discussion. I didn't expect NGS to be an excuse to change the > guidelines by dictate rather than discussion. I'd like to remind folks that Nikki and Warp are your BDF

Re: [mb-style] Works and remixes/covers

2011-05-24 Thread caller#6
On 05/24/2011 08:02 AM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote: > 2011/5/18 Lukáš Lalinský: >> The original NGS documentation which was written by me [1] says that >> works with different remixes should be merged together. The Work page >> [2] however says that they should be kep separate. All people I've >

Re: [mb-style] NGS guidelines

2011-05-24 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 7:13 PM, monxton wrote: > On 24/05/2011 16:59, Philipp Wolfer wrote: >> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes >>  wrote: >>> Sorry, but a process taking time or "being painful" is not a reason to >>> impose >>> the views of a few people on everyone else.

Re: [mb-style] NGS guidelines

2011-05-24 Thread monxton
On 24/05/2011 16:59, Philipp Wolfer wrote: > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes > wrote: >> Sorry, but a process taking time or "being painful" is not a reason to impose >> the views of a few people on everyone else. > > I don't think that the intent of the NGS guideline updat

Re: [mb-style] NGS guidelines

2011-05-24 Thread Pete Marsh
>and IMHO it would have been impossible to get the guidelines right in advance I think it would have been possible, but we would still be waiting for NGS two or three years down the line. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.music

Re: [mb-style] NGS guidelines

2011-05-24 Thread Philipp Wolfer
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote: > Sorry, but a process taking time or "being painful" is not a reason to impose > the views of a few people on everyone else. I don't think that the intent of the NGS guideline updates was to impose someone's view on everyone else. But

Re: [mb-style] Bonus discs?

2011-05-24 Thread azertus
2011/5/24 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren : > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: >> http://musicbrainz.org/edit/14491791 >> >> azertus is asking if we should have a way to record the fact that a >> disc is considered "bonus". It does seem that this ability was lost in >> the move

Re: [mb-style] NGS guidelines

2011-05-24 Thread Dr Andrew John Hughes
On 24 May 2011 15:38, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: snip.. > I'll let nikki and kuno speak for themselves, but just wanted to note > that I support the complete overhaul and that the normal process has > been circumvented. Most of the old guidelines don't make sense with > NGS, and doing such a big c

Re: [mb-style] Bonus discs?

2011-05-24 Thread Maurits Meulenbelt
Well, we could simply add it to the name of the bonus medium in the release? "Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren" ha scritto: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: > http://musicbrainz.org/edit/14491791 > > azertus is asking if we should have a way to record the fact that a > disc

Re: [mb-style] Bonus discs?

2011-05-24 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: > http://musicbrainz.org/edit/14491791 > > azertus is asking if we should have a way to record the fact that a > disc is considered "bonus". It does seem that this ability was lost in > the move to NGS, but I'm not sure I think it's importa

Re: [mb-style] NGS guidelines

2011-05-24 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/24 Philip Jägenstedt > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 14:34, Brian Schweitzer > wrote: > > For a few reasons, I've been silent here for the past while. However, I > > feel I have to at least comment on the change in guidelines that has > taken > > place. I may not be commenting on the list, bu

Re: [mb-style] IMDb relationship

2011-05-24 Thread azertus
I have tried to find some examples to work out what is wrong and what is right. It seems that only the current release-group-URL IMDb AR is wrong. See a summary at http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Azertus/Potential_IMDb_Relationship_Type_Problem Of course, this might be just a bug? azertus On Tue

Re: [mb-style] NGS guidelines

2011-05-24 Thread Dr Andrew John Hughes
On 24 May 2011 13:34, Brian Schweitzer wrote: > For a few reasons, I've been silent here for the past while.  However, I > feel I have to at least comment on the change in guidelines that has taken > place.  I may not be commenting on the list, but I do still at least skim > the style list to see

Re: [mb-style] Works and remixes/covers

2011-05-24 Thread Dr Andrew John Hughes
2011/5/18 Lukáš Lalinský : > The original NGS documentation which was written by me [1] says that > works with different remixes should be merged together. The Work page > [2] however says that they should be kep separate. All people I've > discussed this with agree that they should be merged. Can

Re: [mb-style] NGS guidelines

2011-05-24 Thread Pete Marsh
>I support the complete overhaul and that the normal process has been circumvented. Most of the old guidelines don't make >sense with NGS, and doing such a big change by RFC/RFV would have been extremely painful. I think we're much better off >taking the rewrite and working from there. I couldn't

[mb-style] Bonus discs?

2011-05-24 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
http://musicbrainz.org/edit/14491791 azertus is asking if we should have a way to record the fact that a disc is considered "bonus". It does seem that this ability was lost in the move to NGS, but I'm not sure I think it's important. Thoughts? -- Philip Jägenstedt __

Re: [mb-style] NGS guidelines

2011-05-24 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 14:34, Brian Schweitzer wrote: > For a few reasons, I've been silent here for the past while.  However, I > feel I have to at least comment on the change in guidelines that has taken > place.  I may not be commenting on the list, but I do still at least skim > the style lis

[mb-style] NGS guidelines

2011-05-24 Thread Brian Schweitzer
For a few reasons, I've been silent here for the past while. However, I feel I have to at least comment on the change in guidelines that has taken place. I may not be commenting on the list, but I do still at least skim the style list to see what's happening. Thus, when I saw an edit note citing

[mb-style] IMDb relationship

2011-05-24 Thread azertus
Hello I just noticed that the link name for the AR to relate a (soundtrack) release group to its movie's URL at IMDb has been somehow merged with the AR to indicate a recording uses samples from a movie (by linking to its IMDb URL). Was this intentional / discussed at a previous time? Because this

Re: [mb-style] Capitalization in NGS

2011-05-24 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/24 Dr Andrew John Hughes > On 23 May 2011 07:21, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > > 2011/5/22 Dr Andrew John Hughes > >> > >> I really don't see why we want to retain all covers verbatim; I > >> thought MusicBrainz was a database, not a cover archive. > > > > Maybe because the MB database co

Re: [mb-style] Merging multi-language releases?

2011-05-24 Thread Kuno Woudt
On 24/05/11 10:37, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 09:48, Kuno Woudt wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On 24/05/11 09:28, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: >>> Going forward, I think that it would be nice if perhaps recordings >>> could have aliases by language. Perhaps there should be some attribu

Re: [mb-style] Merging multi-language releases?

2011-05-24 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 09:48, Kuno Woudt wrote: > Hello, > > On 24/05/11 09:28, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: >> Going forward, I think that it would be nice if perhaps recordings >> could have aliases by language. Perhaps there should be some attribute >> for official translations, if there is such a

Re: [mb-style] Capitalization in NGS

2011-05-24 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 01:52, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote: > On 23 May 2011 07:21, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: >> 2011/5/22 Dr Andrew John Hughes >>> >>> I really don't see why we want to retain all covers verbatim; I >>> thought MusicBrainz was a database, not a cover archive. >> >> Maybe becau

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names & artists

2011-05-24 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
Thanks. I voted for it, although I don't know if the votes are taken into account. 2011/5/23 Nikki > By the way, there's a ticket here > http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-684 > > Nikki > > Brant Gibbard wrote: > > Sorry, I mis-spoke. I was testing with the annotation, and I had > forgott

Re: [mb-style] Merging multi-language releases?

2011-05-24 Thread Kuno Woudt
Hello, On 24/05/11 09:28, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: > Going forward, I think that it would be nice if perhaps recordings > could have aliases by language. Perhaps there should be some attribute > for official translations, if there is such a thing. With such a > scheme, we could get rid of lots of

Re: [mb-style] Separate works for instrumental version?

2011-05-24 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 20:45, Nikki wrote: > Philip Jägenstedt wrote: >> That sounds pretty good, but it wouldn't really be accurate for >> karaoke tracks where the background singers are usually left in and >> only the lead singer is left out. Perhaps a karaoke attribute would >> work, but I'm n

Re: [mb-style] Merging multi-language releases?

2011-05-24 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 22:53, Kuno Woudt wrote: > Hello, > > On 22/05/11 15:53, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: >> Before NGS I added some releases where both English and Chinese titles >> appear on the cover. I created one release for each language. >> http://musicbrainz.org/release/0a4a71ed-b7d9-44f9-