When "good enough" ain't: was Re: what I think of current digital cameras

2001-11-25 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 11/25/01 8:43:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Don't sit around and dismiss it because it's not like the old tools you have > at hand. > One of the first things I learned back in 1982 when I was first introduced to writing code for computers was the

Agfa Optima

2001-11-25 Thread Bill Owens
I shot a roll of Optima today for the first time. The color palette reminds me of the old Agfachrome 64 from the 60's and 70's. I've shot quite a bit of both HDC and Vista, but IMO, the Optima has a much more neutral palette. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Disc

Re: Taxes (Re: Depreciation of assets)

2001-11-25 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
Aw, the taxes on tea are not bad. Can we just toss the corporations into the harbor, along with the other tax collectors, and the politicians of course? --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys

Re: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-25 Thread David A. Mann
Aaron Reynolds writes: > Man... $13,000 for the one that plays 33 and 45 rpm, and $20,000 for the > one that plays 78s as well... > > If I was rich, I'd totally have one of these. ;) I bet they're not much use to rappers... :) Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec) http://www.digistar.

SP & MX Everyready case trade

2001-11-25 Thread Paul Jones
Hi, I'm trying to get a Spotmatic Everyready case in reasnoble condition. Is there any one who would consider trading one for an MX everyready case. Its for a friend of my fathers who has had a SP since new and has worn the ever ready case out. Thanks, Paul Jones - This message is from the Pent

Re: LLAMAS

2001-11-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: aimcompute Subject: Re: LLAMAS> > Does anyone have a pack of llamas and a 4X5 to lend? How about 2 Rotties and a Tachihara? > Will you promise to buy the results? :-) You take Canadian $$? Right now they are trading 1,000,000,000,000,000 dollars to 1 Afghan

Re: Taxes (Re: Depreciation of assets)

2001-11-25 Thread aimcompute
Time for a TEAPARTY!!! Tom C. - Original Message - From: "Tom Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discussion Malling List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 6:44 PM Subject: Taxes (Re: Depreciation of assets) > You are corre

Re: ZX-10 and 28-70 f/4 SMC-FA

2001-11-25 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
You are aware that at f16you could have set the camera for 7 feet and everything from about 5' to 12' would have been acceptably in focus at 50mm? Set for 10 feet everything from about 7' to about 25' would have been ok. Set to 28mm and 10' there is problably nothing indoors that would need refocu

Camera Shooting Gloves

2001-11-25 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
Hey, guys, just wear a pair of thin gloves under those mittens. Keeps your hands warmer, and your bare fingers off the metal of the camera when you are shooting. Silk is nicest but, other thin gloves work too. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half

Re: Photography Vests ...

2001-11-25 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
I used to have a Banana Republic Guides Vest, (the one they stopped selling after some gun editor said in print that people were using it to conceal their handguns. Don't you just love politically correct companies). Any way I finally wore it out (must have been the handgun ). Now I have a nylon s

LLAMAS (Re: what I think of current digital cameras)

2001-11-25 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
If you are going to use llamas, you might as well go to 8x10. In fact, some would say you need at least a 20x24 inch camera to justify investing in llamas. Others say a 12x17 is adequate. For a 4x5 all you need is a bicycle. How many here are aware that the famed Speed Graphic was a derivative of

Taxes (Re: Depreciation of assets)

2001-11-25 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
You are correct! I am curious, Bob, how did you figure this out? It is the big secret we are not supposed to know. I figured it out back in the sixties when I did something unthinkable. I found out as best I could what the taxes were in this country; federal, state, and local (I am sure I missed

Re: what I think of current digital cameras

2001-11-25 Thread aimcompute
Respectfully, It depends what your ends are, I guess. I'm not dismissing it as, not good. I'm just not ready to heavily invest in it yet. Two - three years ago I invested in a Sony Mavica for $800. I bought my Dad the better one with higher res almost a year later for $1000. They are both gre

Re: FA* 200/4 Macro vs. A* 200/4 Macro

2001-11-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 25 Nov 2001, at 16:32, Fred wrote: > Rob said: > > I hope the 200/4FA* bokeh is better than the A*, I'm not all > > that impressed with it. > > Agreed. Although I am impressed by the superb sharpness of the A* 200/4 > Macro lens, I have found its bokeh to be a little disappointing (not for >

Re: what I think of current digital cameras

2001-11-25 Thread aimcompute
Going off on a tangent... One thing I've done with my Mavica is take a picture of a painting or a portion of it, like a watercolor or oil. Original painting is large wall size. Then print it on card stock at 4 X 6 size. The result is marvelous. Looks even better than the original. One other t

Re: what I think of current digital cameras

2001-11-25 Thread Shel Belinkoff
aimcompute wrote: > Access to a computer does not translate to wanting to use it, or skill in > doing digital processing. Most people just want to take photos and show > them to friends or send them to relatives. A computer can facilitate this, > or, if the reciving party does not have one, hin

Re: what I think of current digital cameras

2001-11-25 Thread aimcompute
My whole point (I think) in this discussion is if you want the BEST image possible, and that is the primary consideration, I don't think a digital filmless camera is the way to go yet. If there are other considerations which weigh in on the other side, then digital by all means can be the answer

Re: what I think of current digital cameras

2001-11-25 Thread aimcompute
Jerry wrote: > Anyone who works in an office or goes to school MUST use a computer. I > don't know the statistics, but I think around half of the people in the US > and other industrialized countries have access to a computer. Access to a computer does not translate to wanting to use it, or

Re: what I think of current digital cameras

2001-11-25 Thread Len Paris
Right now, you can walk into Wal-Mart, or Walgreen's drug stores and you can find a Kodak printing machine. You can put your CD or Compact Flash cards with your digital images on them into the machine and make small prints up to 8 x 10 inches. You can do cropping and brightness/contrast correcti

Re: Where Do I Go...

2001-11-25 Thread aimcompute
Thanks for your time and desire to help! Tom C. - Original Message - From: "Frantisek Vlcek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "aimcompute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 8:44 AM Subject: Re: Where Do I Go... > a> I've searched for several hours in the archives and my own sa

Re: what I think of current digital cameras

2001-11-25 Thread aimcompute
Mike Johnston wrote: > > And this is precisely what I have ALWAYS thought is total bullshit. To > decide which lens is of "higher quality," we have to decide what parameters > we're going to value. But scoring better in certain chosen parameters, > whatever they are, DOESN'T help the lens make

Moving sale Very low prices to PDML'rs

2001-11-25 Thread Mark Stringer
I'm moving and need to sell these items. I have a good ebay rating as [EMAIL PROTECTED] See web url below for some pictures, ignore prices on website. Also, check out my photography at http://home.earthlink.net/~cmstringer/index.htm Price includes USPS priority mail in US. If they are not as go

Re: Depreciation of assets

2001-11-25 Thread Bob Blakely
Ignorance concerning taxes is appalling. Harboring the idea that corporations actually pay any taxes levied upon them shows lack of critical thinking about the subject. All corporations require net net profit (profit after taxes on net profit) in order to survive, design and build new products, mo

Re: OT: what I think of current digital cameras

2001-11-25 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Saturday, November 24, 2001, at 06:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What Aaron said, except I don't know what he meant by "digital printing > rocks"? Just that I now prefer digital colour printing to chemical darkroom colour printing. Our work here at the lab is rarely about quantity (wh

Re: what I think of current digital cameras

2001-11-25 Thread Isaac Crawford
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 10:30 AM Subject: Re: what I think of current digital cameras > In a message dated 11/25/01 3:45:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > "One hindrance slowing di

Re: Shades of Photoshop

2001-11-25 Thread Isaac Crawford
- Original Message - From: Mike Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 10:34 AM Subject: Shades of Photoshop > Mafud: > >> Not in ~my~ experiences with Photoshop. > > Isaac: > >>How many years? What versions? How much per day? Any schoolin

Re: what I think of current digital cameras

2001-11-25 Thread Mike Johnston
Tom C. wrote: > Sorry, I'm not intending to argue or belabor the point. Don't apologize! These are valuable things to discuss. They lead to better understanding. > But is that always the case (that quality is subjective)? Let's compare > theoretical lenses A and B. We run them through the

Re: OT: what I think of current digital cameras

2001-11-25 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Saturday, November 24, 2001, at 07:52 AM, David Brooks wrote: > It all boils down to what somw one else replied.Fast > and Instant,but its paying the bills. I totally agree. Digital capture has its uses, that's for sure. I imagine that the 8x10s look pretty good, too. -Aaron - This messag

Re: what I think of current digital cameras

2001-11-25 Thread Jeffrey Schneider
Tom C. wrote: >One hindrance slowing digital down, is that it's closely associated with >computers. Not everyone wants or cares about them. Probably an *extremely* >high percentage of people who buy digital cameras, also have computers. The >rest, also a significant number, don't care and will

Re: Recommending PS Elements

2001-11-25 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Saturday, November 24, 2001, at 06:30 AM, David Brooks wrote: > > Still plan to buy the bnig Adobe book. > I;m still learning PS but the students i employ to run > my computers at horse shows have shown me some tricks too. If you have a full version of Photoshop, I heartily recommend the tut

Re: Monopod for heavy camera

2001-11-25 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Saturday, November 24, 2001, at 06:53 AM, David Brooks wrote: > Aaron.I asume you buy the heads seperatly as for your needs? Nah, most of the time I use it headless. ;) I'm very much into horizontal composition. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, g

Re: I just got engaged & my week

2001-11-25 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Sunday, November 25, 2001, at 08:36 AM, Amita Guha wrote: > No, really, > he asked me a week ago Friday, then we spent > Saturday night/Sunday morning shooting the > Leonids, then Sunday afternoon we went to a camera > show here in the city, where I got a mint > condition Yashicamat, my very

Re: Where Do I Go...

2001-11-25 Thread Frantisek Vlcek
a> I've searched for several hours in the archives and my own saved stuff (I a> thought I saved it), but can't find it. It was within the last two weeks. Oh, in that case, I am sorry but I can't help you, my archives date mostly earlier than that. For about half the last year, I was reading PDML

Re: A Battery of Questions ...

2001-11-25 Thread Frantisek Vlcek
Also, the size of two 1.5V '44 batteries is one 3V lithium battery. I don't remember the number, though. I have one as backup for my SR/LR 44 when there is really cold weather, as lithium batteries have AFAIK best performance of the three types in cold weather (with alkaline the worst, silver arou

Re: MZ-S gripe - but still enjoying it.

2001-11-25 Thread Frantisek Vlcek
MCA> Also if you have the strap attached using the battery grip lug then MCA> it is impossible to use the strap clasp's rod to press the mid-roll rewind MCA> button. What a poor plan. What a sh*t of a camera! I will not buy it after reading your message! (or maybe because I don't have e

Re: Riddle of the Pentax lens

2001-11-25 Thread Frantisek Vlcek
E> Aha! Bingo. I went to the B&H site and there it is, complete with E> patterned focusing ring. Now of course, I question why would they be E> testing any camera with a soft focus lens?... Oh well, at least the E> mystery is solved. Aha! Aha! Now PopPhoto goes to hell wrt accuracy of their

Re: what I think of current digital cameras

2001-11-25 Thread Isaac Crawford
- Original Message - From: aimcompute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Pentax Discuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 3:45 AM Subject: Re: what I think of current digital cameras > I'm STILL going to go down, belly on the ground, pounding my fists and > kicking my feet. > > To

Re: Schwarschild?

2001-11-25 Thread Peter Smekal
Thank you for this answer, Gianfranco, but why is it then still possible to set a seemingly right combination of shutter speed (let's say 10 s) and aperture (maybe 5.6) at the "zero point" "thermometer scale" in the viewfinder? That seems contradictory to me. 01-11-25 15.04, Gianfranco Irlanda at

Time Spent Photographing

2001-11-25 Thread Mike Johnston
Geordie wrote: > Any > moment you have free time, jump outside and start shooting. > > > It works. So true. Photography is like jogging: the more time you devote exclusively to it, the greater the benefit you will reap. I learned this when I was testing cameras. There were times when I'd ju

Re: Depreciation of assets

2001-11-25 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Frantisek Vlcek wrote: > Awful! Look at a better model: in Vietnam, AFAIK, taxes are not > extracted from individuals but from corporations. To NOT tax > corporations is just awful. The simple most externality producing > entity, a big corporation, doesn't pay for the externalities it > produces.

Sorry Test only

2001-11-25 Thread AvK
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Shades of Photoshop

2001-11-25 Thread Mike Johnston
Mafud: >> Not in ~my~ experiences with Photoshop. Isaac: >>How many years? What versions? How much per day? Any schooling? Whew, these are truly pertinent questions. One of my writers at the magazine was John Paul Caponigro, the son of the great landscape photographer Paul Caponigro and a p

Re: what I think of current digital cameras

2001-11-25 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 11/25/01 3:45:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > "One hindrance slowing digital down, is that it's closely associated with > computers. Not everyone wants or cares about them." Precisely my point. > high percentage of people who buy digital cameras, >

ZX-10 and 28-70 f/4 SMC-FA

2001-11-25 Thread Brent Hutto
I had my ZX-M with me while doing family Thankgiving visits and took a few snapshots of nieces and nephews. Most of the snapshots turned out fine (thanks to 400-speed print film, f/16 and a big honking flash) but for the first time since I've had my camera I really regretted having to focus ma

Re: Vs: What Zoom?

2001-11-25 Thread SudaMafud
In a message dated 11/25/01 3:33:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Sigma APO Macro Super 4-5.6/70-300. I have the earlier non-Super version and > the new one has tested even better. > All the best! > Raimo > Thanks Raimo! Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Thi

Re: ThanksPentaxGiving?

2001-11-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Cory wrote: > Anybody got any heartwarming Pentax/Thanksgiving stories to tell. We had beautiful weather here. I ran a 10k race in the morning -- 36:14 :( -- and then Lisa and I took her parents out to a local park for a walk on the trails. I took the MZ-S, FA*80-200/2.8, FA*24/2.0 and Tokina 28

Re: I just got engaged & my week

2001-11-25 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Amita, Sounds like you had a pretty good week. By some co-incidence, I just got a Yashica Mat, for which I paid just under $50 US, on eBay. I haven't received it yet, but like yours, the meter doesn't work. Can't wait to run a few rolls through it. But, the real reason I'm answering your

Re: Schwarschild?

2001-11-25 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda
Hi Peter, Welcome to the list! When the indications in the finder twink it means that you are reading an amount of light outside the possibilities of the Z-1p meter. I'm sure no camera can measure light in a way it can take the Schwarzshild effect into account, BTW. The LX can expose for severa

Re: Surprise Birthday Present

2001-11-25 Thread frank theriault
You may be right, John. James, it sounds like you weren't very happy at your job, so maybe this is for the best. That being said, it is still a hugely traumatic experience to be forced out of a job at any time, and I'm sure this is a very difficult time for you, James. All the best. -frank Jo

Club M42 is moving!

2001-11-25 Thread kelvin
Hi folks Club M42, originally in the yahoo clubs platform (http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/clubm42) is moving. I have set up the Club M42 in the yahoogroups platform (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ClubM42) ... and over the course of the next few months, I hope to do a slow migration. The Club versi

Re: ThanksPentaxGiving?

2001-11-25 Thread Cotty
>Right now, we just came out of the outdoor jacuzzi we have here. Snow >everywhere, your body is warm in the water and your head freezes. Oh, we got >a few pictures of us there taken with the ZX-5n. C'mon Juan - post 'em up! Never one to miss a chance of soem bear neked flesh ;-) Cotty ___

Re: ThanksPentaxGiving?

2001-11-25 Thread Cory or Brenda Waters
Sounds like Thanksgiving to me. Toss a turkey in there somewhere and you have it nailed! Cory Waters Wishing he was snowed-in in Lake Tahoe :) - Original Message - From: "Juan J. Buhler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Well, not heartwarming, but hey. > > Since in Argentina there's no Thanksgivi