In B&W we can affect contrast and gray-level representation of color with the
use of filters. Some on the camera, some on the enlarger.
What I'm thinking of is really a question about the "raw" format. Is it truely
"raw", the simple captured sensor data.
If it is, are there techniques in place
Never.
Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
In B&W
If it is, are there techniques in place to allow later treatment of the data as though it were the original light,
making it monochrome,
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:17:48 -0500, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
>In B&W we can affect contrast and gray-level representation of color with the
>use of filters. Some on the camera, some on the enlarger.
>
>What I'm thinking of is really a question about the "raw" format. Is it
>truely "raw", the
It's terrible. Desaturating an image is the WORST way to make a B&W
conversion.
In addition, the "filters" used in PS CS are color correction filters, not
contrast filters to be used with B&W.
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Leon Altoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> In Photoshop under the Adjustm
I've also found that changing the temperature of the light in the RAW converter
will affect the look af a subsequent BW conversion. You can also adjust
individual color values, which again will afftect the way they convert given a
specific channel distribution.
Paul
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:17
e b/w 'filters' are on the dpreview review:
http://tinyurl.com/4v3bt
Cheers,
Ryan
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From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 6:17 PM
Subject: Can you do this in digital?
>
"Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In B&W we can affect contrast and gray-level representation of color with the
>use of filters. Some on the camera, some on the enlarger.
>
>What I'm thinking of is really a question about the "raw" format. Is it
>truely "raw", the simple capture
Leon,
> In Photoshop under the Adjustments menu there is an option for "Photo
filter"
Is this feature available in Photoshop CS only ?
Patrick
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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:17:48 -0500, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
In B&W we can affect contrast and gray-level representation of c
On 2 Dec 2004 at 13:17, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
> What I'm thinking of is really a question about the "raw" format. Is it
> truely
> "raw", the simple captured sensor data. If it is, are there techniques in
> place
> to allow later treatment of the data as though it were the original light,
>
At 10:17 AM 02/12/2004 , C. Brendemuehl wrote:
>
>In B&W we can affect contrast and gray-level representation of color with
>the use of filters. Some on the camera, some on the enlarger.
>
>What I'm thinking of is really a question about the "raw" format. Is it
>truely "raw", the simple capture
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:15:05 -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> It's terrible. Desaturating an image is the WORST way to make a B&W
> conversion.
How does desaturating the image compare to converting to CIE*Lab format
and taking only the Luminance channel?
TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
On 2 Dec 2004 at 22:56, Doug Franklin wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:15:05 -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> > It's terrible. Desaturating an image is the WORST way to make a B&W
> > conversion.
>
> How does desaturating the image compare to converting to CIE*Lab format
> and taking only the Lum
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 15:10:29 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote:
> Using the Luminance channel only in Lab format gives exactly the same
> result as converting to grayscale.
OK. I'm a bit dense tonight. Is that good or bad?
> Desaturating (in PS) without adjusting the other sliders gives a
> completely
On 2 Dec 2004 at 23:17, Doug Franklin wrote:
> OK. I'm a bit dense tonight. Is that good or bad?
Good and bad :-)
> I always felt that the CIE*Lab Luminance channel was a better rendition
> than desaturation, but what the heck do I know. :-)
Well it's definitely closer to the colour/luminance
Here's a little trick that i picked up i've found that in some
situations it works even better than the channel mixer. The concept is
similar to channel mixer except that you get more
1. Create a new adjustment layer for levels or curves, lets call this
layer "A". when the layer or curves dialo
Hi Doug ...
It's easier for me to show you than it is for me to explain it:
http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/gallery/index.html
The pics should be self explanatory.
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:15:05 -0800, Shel Belinkoff wro
Close, but not exactly exactly - at least according to my experience and as
seen in the little gallery I just put up:
http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/gallery/index.html
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Using the Luminance channel only in Lab format gives
On 2 Dec 2004 at 22:17, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> Close, but not exactly exactly - at least according to my experience and as
> seen
> in the little gallery I just put up:
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/gallery/index.html
True it isn't exact the same, the colours render to gray in similar
When I was looking for a decent method to convert GRB to mono, I came
across this a while back:
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Recently at ImagingUSA2003 in Las Vegas, Gary Rogers of R9 (the brains
behind Septone) showed us one of the workf
Hey Cotty,
That's Cool!!
Tnx
Patrick
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When I was looking for a decent method to convert GRB to mono, I came
across this a while back:
Author unknown -
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Recently at ImagingUSA2003 in Las Vegas, Gary Rogers o
Good tip, Patrick. Thanks.
On Dec 3, 2004, at 12:58 AM, Patrick Genovese wrote:
Here's a little trick that i picked up i've found that in some
situations it works even better than the channel mixer. The concept is
similar to channel mixer except that you get more
1. Create a new adjustment layer
Hmmm I'm not sure if that's quite correct, but I'll defer to your
greater technical knowledge. However, look at how the green bushes are
rendered in the various conversions. In the LAB conversion they are very,
very dark to the point where shadow deatil is gone in some areas. That
seems lik
On 3 Dec 2004 at 3:56, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> Hmmm I'm not sure if that's quite correct, but I'll defer to your
> greater technical knowledge. However, look at how the green bushes are
> rendered in the various conversions. In the LAB conversion they are very,
> very dark to the point wher
Well, there y'go. I knew I could count on you for a way to measure the
differences. I never thought of doing that.
Rest assured, I won't be spending much time pondering the issue ... ;-))
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Hmmm I'm not sure if that
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:56:54 +0100, Patrick Genovese wrote:
>Leon,
>
> > In Photoshop under the Adjustments menu there is an option for "Photo
>filter"
>
>Is this feature available in Photoshop CS only ?
Patrick
I'm not sure. It wasn't in version 6. A program I used to use years
ago - Pictur
Quoting Leon Altoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:56:54 +0100, Patrick Genovese wrote:
>
> >Leon,
> >
> > > In Photoshop under the Adjustments menu there is an option for "Photo
> >filter"
> >
> >Is this feature available in Photoshop CS only ?
Also in Elements 3.
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