restricted to the political.
That is how I understand the essence of Popular Frontism and why I keep coming back to
it - it just makes sense.
Yours in comradely solidarity
Greg
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ose the political language of a period of defeats more than
fifty years ago on today's situation ? This attempt to find quick
historical analogies with a distant past seems to be more a case of an
inability to analyse the present.
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ow Michael: Are you seriously saying that such lessons are not relevant
> today?
> Hari Kumar for Alliance - (Articles on Dimitrov and this analysis at
> that web-site-Go to index).
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tler (despite the costly illusions that arose out of this.)
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despotic class relations, they lost their fighting
will. In a struggle against fascism, you have to have clearly defined class
politics. Watering down social and economic demands leads to the triumph of
fascism.
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subsidised to find a vocation or help in humanitarian work.
To get round the high cost of hiring unskilled labour, the main pool of
jobless in France, he proposed special contracts for those aged under 22
where employers would be exempt
nd in any
way
> appropriate: through covert action, through military action,
and any of
> the
> tools available to the president." (AP/USA Today 7 Mar 2002)
>
http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2002/03/07/cuba-cyberatt
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> Michael Perelman
> Econ
of production
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wrote:
> This is not a reply to anyone in particular -
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> Productive Forces --- P = (M + L) - R
>
> Productive Potential = Means of Production plus Living Labour minus the
> Relations
Sorry all - my sad idea of a joke.
"Productive Forces --- P = (M + L) - R"
Of course it is a nonsense, but Jim you can add labour to the means of production -
just not mathematically.
Apologisies all round
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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o do this in an email.
Most things can be represented algerbraically which is not the same thing as being
quantifiable.
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Perth Australia
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Greg Schofield wrote:
>
> It could be said that God exists is so far as it
> is a projection of (hu)man (which p
a view through the glass of ancient mythology darkly of the
> origin of homo sapiens in the origin of culture or symbolling
> in the form of , for example, the distinction between good
> and evil, between do's and don'ts.
>
>
> Your view sounds like Marx's. M
never mentions any previous history of their
being guest workers in Egypt. The irony is that this first appearance of
the Jews in history is also the first report of their being successfully
wiped out.
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tal-labour relation (obviously from elesewhere) - it is the dominance which gives
directional character to the whole.
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Perth Australia
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oo far behind. China is our barometer of world social health, and it
is a contradictory one.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
I took this rather dense paragraph from
http://www.sussex.ac.uk/Units/CGPE/conference/papers/radice.pdf
GLOBALIZATION, STATE FAILURE AND UNDERDEVELOPMENT: IMPERIALISM? by Hugo Radice.
It is an observation which is important at it touches on some critical aspects -
especially important is his la
mocracy dissappeared, the communists found themselves in a never-world.
Times have changed radically, the old rules no longer hold.
Note also that reforms, no matter how modest or sensible are not welcomed by capital
today, reform has much more of an edge to it then it did before.
Greg Schof
http://chnm.gmu.edu/rhr/special.htm
Micahel's has appended the contents list below.
Whare do you find such things! amazed and grateful - you have made me very happy. I
don't know what conclusions the authors draw but they discussed it seriously and in
1992!
Greg Schofield
Perth
ocratic
reforms.
Thirdly, no other class except the working class has an immediate interest in such
reforms, other classes may benefit (will benefit no-doubt) but other interests close
in, social leadership has become a primary question the proof of which lies all about
us.
Perhaps the surest
ain an objective is one thing, brutality with no objectives is
another - as the US rips up the Geneva Convention, plans new wars when old ones have
not ended, fights by proxy and from afar to give itself what - Afgahistan! for
christ's sake, an oil pipeline could have been had for bribes to tr
uthors to construct his concept of Imperialism,
it seems odd that by beingg faulted we should use this as an excuse not to construct a
clear picture of post-imperialism now.
This seems to be what we are doing, grasping at straws not to take on the challenge of
understanding our period for what it is.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
cal framework for
political struggle on economic issues. I cannot see any quick cures but there are
historical and material reasons why we have to break with the past and explore new
regions.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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sphere where any struggle for improvement is
immediately labeled counter-productive to the social enterprise.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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nded in the first place. In my own defense I would
simply state that my final sentence:
"Sorry Max but I have found your attitude beyond the pale or reasonable discourse." Is
in fact an apology for the dismmissive tone of my own reply.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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ut until some practically defensibale ground is found and held as a
ralling point - we need to find such ground and the way the world is going - we need
to do so quickly.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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but I have found your attitude beyond the pale or reasonable discourse.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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Subject: [PEN-L:19923] Max tells the "truth"
[was: RE:[PEN-L:19912] RE:
Here! Here! Charles
CB: "Shouldn't PEN-L members be working furiously to craft economic political rhetoric
even more radical than Stiglitz and Krugman ?"
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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To
hand in hand with
expansions of non-productive labour (managerial, accountancy, capital services and of
course marketing in all its varied forms - whether in-house or out-sourced). Not that
I have made the subject matter any clearer by this post I fear.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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primitive (which it
is), but that in this area a great deal of work needs to be done - the question is no
longer a choice of planning or markets, but which plans - the corporate bourgeois
plans, or a yet to be created proletarian plan for economic development.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
internationalism. I doubt, there is a socialist platform in the world which
makes such a conscession to the UN as such, yet its absense points to a deep-seated
duplicity in our movement.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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te capable of
studying modern capitalism and seeing the role and plans of super-monopolies, but
politically we have become reductionist.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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of previously
expressed the thought was inadequate and misleading, I hope the above does resolve
some of the points you quite properly raised.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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The chaos of the market (its
actual governance of production) is well and truely pushed into the background - which
is the essence of my point. The chaos we now enjoy is a coporate bureacratic one.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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ms, which of course is a parody of their
former function (speculative exchanges are very much removed from the exchanges of
actual value - the historical purpose of real markets).
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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e the efforts of these groups.
Indeed to get anywhere at all anti-utopianism will be the axe needed to cleve away
such dead wood.
In all seriousness if anything politicall progressive emerges I believe it will emerge
from the international forum of the net.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
come of age but in a guise we didn't expect, the struggle for its Proletarian future
should be taking place in the here and now. The stopper in the bottle, the only thing
holding back the historical forces for this struggle is ironically the left itself.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
f the struggle they are already
engaged in.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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Subject: [PEN-L:19684] Re: Socialism Now
Sorry, but I find this a bi
come of age but in a guise we didn't expect, the struggle for its Proletarian future
should be taking place in the here and now. The stopper in the bottle, the only thing
holding back the historical forces for this struggle is ironically the left itself.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
how well reformism is understood
for what it means in class terms, for all that lies above is no more than what
generations of real communists have always done - they take the world as they find it
and struggle to make it better (it is however, alas, not what "communist"
organisations have done - more the pity).
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
al democracy when it has done such a good
job of this itself?
2. Can reformism really assume in present conditions the role that it use to have?
3. Are we now looking at the world divided into two vast camps (to paraphrase Marx)
international bourgeoisie against a yet to be politically formed inte
into conflict over the division of international labour would be to my mind a step
forward from the passive situation which exists today.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
be to have
a debate which shatters fixed notions and allows us to move on. ANyhow, that is how I
honestly see the state of play at the moment and the main tasks ahead.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
fying the masses
(multitude if you like), it is difficult to see how, in fact it seems difficult to
comprehend how Empire may be fought by any other means. For Empire to recreate
reformism on a significant scale in this period of time would be to turn the clock
back and recreate a parochial bour
public terrorised and economic crisis looming large - options appear
limited.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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e best and hope to hear more soon.
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Perth Australia
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Subject: [PEN-L:19106] Re: Re: Lenin and Engels, force and violence
[Hi Greg, s
in a side issue and appear once again to have
killed off useful debate by so doing.
Greg Schofield
Perth Austrlia
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Subject: [PEN-L:19101] Lenin and Engels, force and v
ayout (there is a definite
natural limit to how far this can proceed), the sexual division of labour
remains, but only as a hang-over from our shared history (not denying its
critical importance in less developed parts of the world). The 20th century
could well deny there was anything natura
, social progress is a result of instabilities in production (lack of
success in maintaining productive levels giving rise to great unevenness)
- "primitive" societies are therefore those which skillfully changed
themselves in order to preserve communal life (unalienated), they are in
th
o much oil) - is the end result going to be the toppling of a series of
regimes and perhaps the "privatisation" of the world's major oil reserves?
I pose this in ignorance, but as I see Bush go out of its way to anatagonise
islamic world wide I remain suspicious of other more far reaching agendas.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
, at any rate, appears to
have been completely ignored.
Jim if you find a good recent work on any of this could you please
let me know as it is an area that I am very interested in, but being
removed from academic resources I would not have a clue what has
happened in the last twenty years i
ging role of the
state and its effects on social hegemony and of course
international relations themselves.. Somehow all of this has to
be brought under a single dialectic - something quite beyond
my powers but not I think beyond our collective efforts.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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e proposition in the Communist Manifesto that"
"The theoretical conclusions of the Communists... merely express in general
terms, actual relations springing from an existing class struggle, from a
historical movement going on under our very eyes."
On this I can only concur, if
economy and using this
democratic socialist struggle as a mainspring for international
solidarity which maifests in actual changes of inter-state
relations.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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Ian thank you for you reply and I will do my best to respond to it.
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Subject: [PEN-L:18922] Re: Re: Discussion of Empire 26.10.01
From: &q
tzens (I have strong suspicions and opinions but nothing which could
be called persuasive). So I turn the question completly around.
Given the conditions of the communist/socialist movement, how can we be satisified?
The proof of the pudding, and all that, is all around us.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
Chris, in the main, I very much agree with you below.
There has never been a situation where international and national struggles have been
so closely intermingled as there is today, but what has the left done in practical
terms about this turn of events?
Nothing - except to tread the same tra
y proof of an
overall political problem with the authors, for me this can be assumed, but it does
not detract from whether their main argument is true or not, or whether or not this
main point touches on vital areas which need to be discussed more fully.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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me the persistence of many older forms of
capital and am trying to identify a dominant and emerging character to our
age - in short I believe we are in a period of Bourgeois Socialism, not
that this promises any escape from class struggle or any better world,
rather that capital in its developments has been forced to adopt the only
logical means for its survival.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
it squarely in folk wisdom - two wrongs do not make a
right).
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
trong enough to become imperial in order to express itself
as national financial capital). Rather super-imperialism may be useful in
order to understand the actions of states, but the nature of capital itself
as the dominant social relation (now above and directing states) may well
be better comprehended by other concepts.
I state this as a mere proposition.
And thanks again Chris for you kind and thoughtful reply.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
d."
It seems I have much catching up to do before I raise anything worthwhile
and for this I apologise to all those on this list.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia.
am concerned with the long term political and theoretical future I make no
pretense in being better informed or more acute analytically then many I
have read on this list, indeed I feed parasitically on insights provided -
I just cannot escape the dire need to move Historical Materialism on a step
or two and break from the political bind we all now occupy.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
ne mad he
took the time to read Hegel for the first time - to paraphrase CLR James -
the source of all error is to hold onto a concept when it should be emptied.
Lenin broke with the past in 1914, unless we are prepared to do the same
thing we will forever be subject to the nightmare of our own fetished
beliefs - it is not such a big step to let go the concept of Imperialism
and embrace super-imperialism, but it may well be a vital one.
Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
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