At 00:08 24/01/2003, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
You should have learned this by now. Perception and warm fuzzies is an
extremely important part of a large open source project that relies
heavily on a large number of volunteers. Messing with that is playing
with fire. I believe we can get work done o
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> Perception and warm fuzzies is an extremely important part of
> a large open source project that relies heavily on a large
> number of volunteers. Messing with that is playing with fire.
You've hit it bang on.
[noise]
The clinical name for the 'fire' in this case is "cyc
On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Zeev Suraski wrote:
> Ok, I can't be bothered to fight a mailing list that was supposed to trim
> down endless discussions. I'm not the one that asked for the list, but I
> definitely supported it, as unlike most of the members on this list, I
> remember the pre-v4 days, and
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"Brian Moon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote... :
> | Imagine a company office where the programmers get paid per hour while
> | spending tons of time at the round table of a meeting room throwing into
> | each other what they like
| Imagine a company office where the programmers get paid per hour while
| spending tons of time at the round table of a meeting room throwing into
| each other what they like better and why. In open source this happens a
| lot.
hey, who let you in to the dealnews dev room?
Brian.
dealnews.com
I tend to agree about the fact that in Open Source people often spend
more time on politics rather than developing.
Imagine a company office where the programmers get paid per hour while
spending tons of time at the round table of a meeting room throwing into
each other what they like better and
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Kalowsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> I've heard the arguments for the list, and I can only say they are
> valid reasons. But you're now making PHP a political project rather
> than a software project. Thanks. This is the sort of thing I don't
> want to
Ok, I can't be bothered to fight a mailing list that was supposed to trim
down endless discussions. I'm not the one that asked for the list, but I
definitely supported it, as unlike most of the members on this list, I
remember the pre-v4 days, and what kind of mountains we had to push in
order
Then discontinue it. End of discussion.
This is an open source project, and I see little to no-advantage to
it's use outside of creating a rather vile aftertaste in the mouths of
those developers who are not "invited".
I've heard the arguments for the list, and I can only say they are
valid r
Rasmus,
The whole point of the list was to avoid threads like this letter is going
to spawn. Let's stop it here, please.
John - if you feel you belong in php5-dev(*) and want to actively
participate in the discussions, we'll add you. The point of php5-dev was
to create a working group for ge
On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, John Coggeshall wrote:
> The reason I ask is that Shane Caraveo and I were working on the thread
> saftey issue, but we couldn't talk about it because we weren't invited
> to the PHP5-DEV list
I had nothing to do with that limited php5 list. I thought that was
completely bog
5:51 AM
>To: Piotr Sobolewski
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] roadmap of PHP - where? PHP 5 - when?
>
>
>> I would like to know in advance when PHP 5 will be released.
>
>So would we. We have no idea. Sometime in the next 4-18
>months. How's
I am working on some reader-friendly docs to answer this question, but
for now you can read the ZEND_CHANGES file in the PHP CVS
John
>-Original Message-
>From: Piotr Sobolewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 5:41 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [PHP-D
At 12:41 23/01/2003, Piotr Sobolewski wrote:
Can somebody tell me approximately when it will happen? 3 months? Year?
If everything works properly, it should be out before the end of the year,
hopefully around Q3.
We'll start to release betas in the very near future (weeks), so you'd be
able to
> I would like to know in advance when PHP 5 will be released.
So would we. We have no idea. Sometime in the next 4-18 months. How's
that?
> Can I find a sort of "roadmap" somewhere?
We are well past the roadmap and into the TODO stage now. Our trusted
secretary, Sebastian, has been maint
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