Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-25 Thread Douglas Alan
David Busby wrote: > I'm in the boat with the folks who say read the manual and such. Then you're on the wrong boat. It appalls me the level of software quality that some people will not only put up with, but defend. I say this as a software engineer, myself. If someone came to me and pointed

Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-25 Thread Douglas Alan
Edward Dekkers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How about I freely admit that Kickstart should not erase drives you've > explicitly told it not to. Sounds good to me. > You're right. It shouldn't. > But please have a think about things you shouldn't do. Seriously, when > we get PCs in here for re-i

Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-25 Thread Edward Dekkers
> I already said "mea culpa" to the department head and she said "mea > culpa" for not backing up her computer. (Fortunately, there was nothing > particularly important on the computer.) Now it's time for Red Hat to > say "mea culpa" about having a flaw in their software and to fix it, and > fo

Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-25 Thread David Busby
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Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-25 Thread Douglas Alan
Ward William E DLDN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doug, I've read these messages and I've come to a conclusion: You are > one of those people who screws up, and then says "I'm the innocent > victim! It's somebody else's fault!" I don't claim to be any sort of "innocent victim" -- I have merely no

RE: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-25 Thread Ward William E DLDN
> -Original Message- > From: Douglas Alan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:38 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: "Remove all existing partitions" > > > Emmanuel Seyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > &

Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-25 Thread Douglas Alan
Emmanuel Seyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It could start by not zeroing partitions on disk drives uninvolved in > > the OS installation, since there is no reason for it to do that. > This is the part where I don't follow you. If partitions have not > been created, how is the kickstart progr

Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-25 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 06:03:25AM -0500, Douglas Alan wrote: > > It could start by not zeroing partitions on disk drives uninvolved in > the OS installation, since there is no reason for it to do that. This is the part where I don't follow you. If partitions have not been created, how is the kic

Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-25 Thread Douglas Alan
Anthony E. Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Douglas Alan wrote: > > No it wouldn't. It is never reasonable to destroy large amounts of > > data without being quite sure that that is what the user wants. > If that were true, then 'rm -i' would be default behavior, and the > '-f' option would

Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-25 Thread Douglas Alan
Edward Dekkers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I said that I cannot imagine a case where "I would want all partitions > > on all disk drives to be removed during an OS install". Despite your > > claims, I still would never want all partitions on all disk drives to be > > removed during an OS insta

Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-24 Thread Edward Dekkers
> I said that I cannot imagine a case where "I would want all partitions > on all disk drives to be removed during an OS install". Despite your > claims, I still would never want all partitions on all disk drives to be > removed during an OS install. Not for the two cases that you provided > (#2

Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-24 Thread Anthony E. Greene
Douglas Alan wrote: The point is that in those cases, kickstart's behavior would be entirely reasonable. No it wouldn't. It is never reasonable to destroy large amounts of data without being quite sure that that is what the user wants. If that were true, then 'rm -i' would be default behavior, and

Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-24 Thread Douglas Alan
Anthony E. Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In fact, I explicitly told Kickstart to *only* make partitions on > > the boot disk drive. It has no good reason to mess with the > > partition tables of disk drives that it is not putting partitions > > onto. > You're evadng the point. No, I am

Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-24 Thread Anthony E. Greene
Douglas Alan wrote: Anthony E. Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's a mighty literal interpretation of "all" when it comes to valuable data. I can't imagine any circumstance when I would want all partitions on all disk drives to be removed during an OS install, 1. You get a Windows computer f

Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-23 Thread Douglas Alan
us reasonable people. Any view counter to this view is wrong, regardless of whether someone may happen to hold such a counter view. Furthermore, there would never be any advantage to removing partitions on a disk drive uninvolved in the OS install. No software should ever behave in a way that has n

Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-23 Thread nate
ld Kickstart to *only* make partitions on the boot > disk drive. It has no good reason to mess with the partition tables of > disk drives that it is not putting partitions onto. In your view yes, in my view no. Just seeing the words "Remove all existing partitions", immediately me

Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-23 Thread Douglas Alan
Anthony E. Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Douglas Alan wrote: >>> I haven't used kickstart myself but I would expect it to remove all >>> partitions on all disks if you told it to remove all existing >>> partitions .. >> That's a mig

Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-21 Thread Anthony E. Greene
Douglas Alan wrote: I haven't used kickstart myself but I would expect it to remove all partitions on all disks if you told it to remove all existing partitions .. That's a mighty literal interpretation of "all" when it comes to valuable data. I can't imagine any circu

Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-21 Thread Douglas Alan
nate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Umm, if I had, err, by chance, configured Kickstart to "remove all > > existing partitions", it wouldn't happen to remove all partitions on ALL > > disk drives, would it, and not just the boot disk drive? > I haven

Re: "Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-20 Thread nate
Douglas Alan said: > Umm, if I had, err, by chance, configured Kickstart to "remove all > existing partitions", it wouldn't happen to remove all partitions on ALL > disk drives, would it, and not just the boot disk drive? I haven't used kickstart myself but I

"Remove all existing partitions"

2003-03-20 Thread Douglas Alan
Umm, if I had, err, by chance, configured Kickstart to "remove all existing partitions", it wouldn't happen to remove all partitions on ALL disk drives, would it, and not just the boot disk drive? And if it would, is there any way that I might recover them? (The ones on the ot