Re: [OSM-talk] Misquote of the day

2009-03-14 Thread D Tucny
2009/3/15 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) > 80n wrote: > >Sent: 13 March 2009 11:03 PM > >To: Talk Openstreetmap > >Subject: [OSM-talk] Misquote of the day > > > >Even Computer Weekly has managed to get it wrong this week: > > > >http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2009/03/13/235269/web-almos

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Telephone Debate

2009-03-14 Thread Russ Nelson
On Mar 14, 2009, at 4:32 PM, Ulf Möller wrote: > However, the time between the publication of the license and the vote > will be increased from 3 to 10 days so as to allow legal review of the > license. Thanks for this summary, Ulf. I have generally been staying out of this conversation becaus

Re: [OSM-talk] Misquote of the day

2009-03-14 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
80n wrote: >Sent: 13 March 2009 11:03 PM >To: Talk Openstreetmap >Subject: [OSM-talk] Misquote of the day > >Even Computer Weekly has managed to get it wrong this week: > >http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2009/03/13/235269/web-almost- >happened-by-accident-reveal-cern-experts.htm > >Quoted fr

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-03-14 Thread Tal
For my use, that proposal is pretty good. However, I'd like to discuss two points. 1) This proposal will not help the Brussels map, where a similar need exists. In Brussels they want the default map to show street names in France and Dutch. see http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.77218&lon=4.381

Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map

2009-03-14 Thread Mike Collinson
At 05:22 PM 14/03/2009, Ben Laenen wrote: >On Saturday 14 March 2009, Pierre-André Jacquod wrote: >> Hi, >> great stuff... >> >> > With my first go a couple of weeks back for 8 languages I did do >> > fallback to at least 'name' using views as suggested on the wiki, >> > setting this up for 40 lang

Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map

2009-03-14 Thread Pierre-André Jacquod
>>> With my first go a couple of weeks back for 8 languages I did do >>> fallback to at least 'name' using views as suggested on the wiki, >>> setting this up for 40 languages however was somewhat less trivial >>> and I felt that there would be a benefit to being able to display >>> languages with

Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map

2009-03-14 Thread Ben Laenen
On Saturday 14 March 2009, Pierre-André Jacquod wrote: > Hi, > great stuff... > > > With my first go a couple of weeks back for 8 languages I did do > > fallback to at least 'name' using views as suggested on the wiki, > > setting this up for 40 languages however was somewhat less trivial > > and I

Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map

2009-03-14 Thread Pierre-André Jacquod
Hi, great stuff... > With my first go a couple of weeks back for 8 languages I did do > fallback to at least 'name' using views as suggested on the wiki, > setting this up for 40 languages however was somewhat less trivial and I > felt that there would be a benefit to being able to display languag

[OSM-talk] Bulk import as a data layer (like gpx currently is)

2009-03-14 Thread Sam Vekemans
+1 for that!!! I could easily create and store all the canvec2osm created files on my GoogleApps website www.acrosscanadatrails.com (as well as the geobase2osm NRN data, which is already being archived on http://www.mediafire.com) I would of-course have it all in a single layer, (but better to ha

Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple addresses/use for one building

2009-03-14 Thread Marcus Wolschon
On 3/14/09, paul youlten wrote: > I would have thought that "1 to 500" would be easier to parse into > machine readable digits than "120b" > > or does "120b" == "120.2"? House-numbers are not at all times numbers. 120b is the string "120b". Parsing into numbers is only required for the documented

Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple addresses/use for one building

2009-03-14 Thread paul youlten
I would have thought that "1 to 500" would be easier to parse into machine readable digits than "120b" or does "120b" == "120.2"? On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Marcus Wolschon wrote: > On 3/14/09, paul youlten wrote: >> MW: " ...your tagging will not be put to use" >> >> ... except by people

Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple addresses/use for one building

2009-03-14 Thread Marcus Wolschon
On 3/14/09, paul youlten wrote: > MW: " ...your tagging will not be put to use" > > ... except by people looking at maps on screen or on paper - who might > find it useful. > > So, as usual, the people writing applications will have to do a little > dance with the people tagging nodes with house n

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki page for big data contributors needs updating

2009-03-14 Thread Mike Collinson
At 12:27 PM 14/03/2009, Ulf Lamping wrote: >Mike Collinson schrieb: >>Simone, >>The ODbL is still a "BY-SA" license but written with databases rather than >>creative works in mind ("ODC-BY-SA"). So my opinion is that Frederik's advice >>is the right one, it depends on how narrow or wide-ranging t

Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple addresses/use for one building

2009-03-14 Thread paul youlten
MW: " ...your tagging will not be put to use" ... except by people looking at maps on screen or on paper - who might find it useful. So, as usual, the people writing applications will have to do a little dance with the people tagging nodes with house numbers. :-) PaulY On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at

Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple addresses/use for one building

2009-03-14 Thread Marcus Wolschon
On 3/14/09, paul youlten wrote: > As I understand the Karlsruhe schema you are allowed to tag > addr:housenumbers with non-numeric characters (e.g: "120b") so there > is no reason you couldn't tag a node "1 to 500" or "1–500". > > I suppose you could use addr:housename = "1 to 500" but that seems

Re: [OSM-talk] immutable=yes Fwd: DEC Lands

2009-03-14 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: > Why not to store this kind of datasets as own layers in the database? DEC > data > could be on its own, non-editable layer, but if there's something that > people > would like to edit those features could be copied or lifted to anothet, OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Reminder: License and license process phone-in today

2009-03-14 Thread Mike Collinson
No, this is not a formal event. I hope people will relax and talk about what concerns them. The wiki pages are probably the best place if you want to record something specific. Mike At 01:15 PM 14/03/2009, Ben Laenen wrote: >Will it be recorded? > > >On Saturday 14 March 2009, Mike Collinson

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-03-14 Thread Pierre-André Jacquod
Hi, sorry, I have been of for some days.. > What Pierre-André has suggested though, seems to be different to "name" > in that rather than having name:local contain the name, what he's > actually suggesting is that the value of name:local refers to the local > language, perhaps better named as name

Re: [OSM-talk] Reminder: License and license process phone-in today

2009-03-14 Thread Ben Laenen
Will it be recorded? On Saturday 14 March 2009, Mike Collinson wrote: > This is an informal discussion about the ODbL license and adoption > process where anyone can dial in on a phone. > > It's at 3pm UK time (15:00 GMT/UTC) on Saturday and will be held in > English. Call one of the numbers at

Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple addresses/use for one building

2009-03-14 Thread paul youlten
As I understand the Karlsruhe schema you are allowed to tag addr:housenumbers with non-numeric characters (e.g: "120b") so there is no reason you couldn't tag a node "1 to 500" or "1–500". I suppose you could use addr:housename = "1 to 500" but that seems a bit counter-intuitive. PaulY On Sat, M

[OSM-talk] Reminder: License and license process phone-in today

2009-03-14 Thread Mike Collinson
This is an informal discussion about the ODbL license and adoption process where anyone can dial in on a phone. It's at 3pm UK time (15:00 GMT/UTC) on Saturday and will be held in English. Call one of the numbers at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_Licence/20090314_Phone_In and th

Re: [OSM-talk] immutable=yes Fwd: DEC Lands

2009-03-14 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Simon Ward bleah.co.uk> writes: > > On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 02:25:24PM -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: > > Earlier, I proposed that certain datasets should be immutable; whether > > by policy or mechanism as needed. I propose importing the NYS DEC > > Lands as an immutable set of data. If you re

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki page for big data contributors needs updating

2009-03-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
Mike Collinson schrieb: > Simone, > > The ODbL is still a "BY-SA" license but written with databases rather than > creative works in mind ("ODC-BY-SA"). So my opinion is that Frederik's advice > is the right one, it depends on how narrow or wide-ranging the original > authority was. > > At the

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki page for big data contributors needs updating

2009-03-14 Thread Ulf Möller
Simone Cortesi schrieb: > Whose data are they anyway? Mine, since I uploaded them in OSM, or > theirs because otherwise I would not have had data tu build upon? Mainly the governments', but probably also yours because you did a lot more than just uploading a .osm file. > Even if this horrifies

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki page for big data contributors needs updating

2009-03-14 Thread Mike Collinson
Simone, The ODbL is still a "BY-SA" license but written with databases rather than creative works in mind ("ODC-BY-SA"). So my opinion is that Frederik's advice is the right one, it depends on how narrow or wide-ranging the original authority was. At the moment, we are simply trying to methodi

[OSM-talk] Fwd: Wiki page for big data contributors needs updating

2009-03-14 Thread Peter Miller
2009/3/14 Simone Cortesi > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Mike Collinson wrote: > > > > Even if this horrifies me, I think I will be ulimately forced not to > switch to the new licence in order to fulfill the authotization I was > granted by the local governments. Thus dumping all of the OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki page for big data contributors needs updating

2009-03-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Simone Cortesi wrote: > The problem I see is that I asked the various administrations for > derivation rights under CC-BY-SA licence. > > Clearly I do not want to go back and ask them again for agreement > under a new licence. If the authorisation they have given you is reasonably wide-rangi

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki page for big data contributors needs updating

2009-03-14 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Mike Collinson wrote: > It would also help if you could fill in the contact column with a contact > either from organisation or from the OSM community knowledgeable about the > import.  Any information in the license column would also help. I'm the main guilty f