Re: [Talk-us] Do we want overlaps to be rendered? Or do we want to wait for relation support that may never come?

On 5/10/2011 7:08 AM, Ian Dees wrote: Or you could simply apply the shields to the geometries created by route relations, greatly simplifying the ref parsing crap. Since the tile server is running Mapnik trunk-ish now, you should be able to use the SVG symbolizers (which should allow you to speci

Re: [Talk-us] Do we want overlaps to be rendered? Or do we want to wait for relation support that may never come?

On 5/4/2011 10:54 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: I encourage anyone with Mapnik coding experience to read through http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2675 , especially my suggestion for multiline shields. I may be wrong, but it seems that this would be easy to implement, and would be strictly

Re: [Talk-us] Announcing the DC Sidewalks Project

On 5/7/2011 9:57 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: What I've done is to create a customized PL2 instance which renders streets and highlights missing sidewalk data. I also provide a background layer of imagery, showing the pavement. From these two things, you can determine if a road has a sidewalk, and

Re: [Talk-us] Do we want overlaps to be rendered? Or do we want to wait for relation support that may never come?

On 5/7/2011 3:47 AM, Toby Murray wrote: On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: I downloaded Mapnik and installed it successfully, but now I'm completely lost as to what to do to render an area from OSM data using OSM rules. Well there is this: http://weait.com/content/

Re: [Talk-us] Do we want overlaps to be rendered? Or do we want to wait for relation support that may never come?

On 5/5/2011 2:10 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 5/5/2011 1:07 AM, Brad Neuhauser wrote: If it's important to you, learn the skills! But let's say, for the sake of argument, that I'm willing to learn. Who here would be able to help me set up Mapnik on Windows XP, and what would

Re: [Talk-us] Do we want overlaps to be rendered? Or do we want to wait for relation support that may never come?

On 5/5/2011 1:07 AM, Brad Neuhauser wrote: If it's important to you, learn the skills! But let's say, for the sake of argument, that I'm willing to learn. Who here would be able to help me set up Mapnik on Windows XP, and what would be the chances of a multiline shield patch being approved on

Re: [Talk-us] Do we want overlaps to be rendered? Or do we want to wait for relation support that may never come?

On 5/5/2011 1:07 AM, Brad Neuhauser wrote: On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Nathan Edgars II mailto:nerou...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 5/4/2011 10:59 PM, Ian Dees wrote: Nathan, If you want to solve this problem then submit a patch for the Mapnik style -- p

Re: [Talk-us] Another day, another bad import

On 5/4/2011 11:32 PM, Toby Murray wrote: Even found a lonely two last touched (after 4 and 6 revisions) by some user named "NE2" :) Most likely caused by this: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2700 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.o

Re: [Talk-us] Do we want overlaps to be rendered? Or do we want to wait for relation support that may never come?

On 5/4/2011 10:59 PM, Ian Dees wrote: Nathan, If you want to solve this problem then submit a patch for the Mapnik style -- perhaps using rweait's examples as a starting point. Yawn. I don't have the skills to do this. How simple, for someone with skills, would converting a semicolon into a

[Talk-us] Do we want overlaps to be rendered? Or do we want to wait for relation support that may never come?

I encourage anyone with Mapnik coding experience to read through http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2675 , especially my suggestion for multiline shields. I may be wrong, but it seems that this would be easy to implement, and would be strictly better than the current setup where very few over

Re: [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails

On 5/3/2011 8:39 PM, PJ Houser wrote: Sidewalks as separate ways. I am working on some multi-use paths that travel on sidewalks for some portions, like the I-205 corridor in Portland, Oregon. Mapping sidewalks as a separate way is now an approved practice, and I'd like to do this for the parts o

Re: [Talk-us] Another day, another bad import

On 5/2/2011 4:29 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Nathan Edgars II http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:West_Harrisburg.jpg As such, it could help reduce - though never fully prevent - cases like the one you link to. How is that? West Harrisburg was created using

Re: [Talk-us] Another day, another bad import

On 5/2/2011 2:32 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: I believe giving new mappers concrete, attainable goals and a sense of accomplishment - badges - could really help to retain motivation. Goal: I want to make the map around me correct. Adding MMORPG grinding is not the answer, if only because we hav

Re: [Talk-us] Another day, another bad import

On 5/2/2011 12:50 AM, Toby Murray wrote: Tomorrow I think I may try to use my local pgsnapshot database to query all untagged, unconnected nodes in the region and nuke them from that. If you can catch the xapi when it's up, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Xapi#Child_Element_Predicates might

Re: [Talk-us] Another day, another bad import

On 5/1/2011 5:23 PM, Mike N wrote: On 5/1/2011 3:39 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: blindly copying route numbers from TIGER into refs I'll have to admit that I have done this for most of the stuff I have ref'd because I usually don't have a more authoritative source. Hopefully y

Re: [Talk-us] Another day, another bad import

On 5/1/2011 2:23 PM, Alan Millar wrote: On May 1, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Toby Murray wrote: Every time I go editing in some new place, I always find another reason to hate imports. Yeah... Every time I go editing in some new place, I always find another reason to hate newbies, too. Personally

Re: [Talk-us] Changes to edited highways

On 5/1/2011 12:14 AM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: Yes, that was my question originally. I am wondering why I saw two ways when, from your point of view, there was one. And, they definitely were there. As I zoomed in they diverged more and more. Hmm, anyone? Yes, that was the extra node 83731621 at

Re: [Talk-us] Changes to edited highways

On 4/30/2011 10:30 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: South of the Utah-Arizona line, there still are multiple versions of US 163. Perhaps we should hold off on "fixes" until others have had a chance to look at this. If you're talking about just south of the line, that was my error in adding an extr

Re: [Talk-us] Changes to edited highways

On 4/30/2011 9:57 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: But, now there are two ways for the same highway. No there aren't; I undeleted and then deleted the portion in Arizona. I clearly did not delete the only way for 163. Zoom 12 was redrawn between your deletion and my undeletion. Unless someone els

Re: [Talk-us] Changes to edited highways

On 4/30/2011 9:39 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: Yes, I deleted the extra version of Highway 163 today. However, there definitely was a second version. This one? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/10151896 In changeset: 8008309 Comment:Oljeto Wash I can't see the history so I can'

Re: [Talk-us] Changes to edited highways

On 4/30/2011 8:30 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: Hello folks, Last year I spent a considerable amount of time editing US Highways 160 and 163 around Kayenta, Arizona. The last couple of days I have found the highways are nowchanged. With Highway 163, another version entirely was superimposed on min

Re: [Talk-us] Can anyone explain this TIGER oddity?

On 4/3/2011 11:58 AM, Richard Welty wrote: On 4/3/11 11:44 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22fake+state+hwy+35%22 baseless speculation: random census bureau employee puts in a placeholder name, never gets around to correcting it. http://www.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

On 4/13/2011 4:18 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:56:51AM -0400, Richard Welty wrote: ways vs. relations. we need the identifier on ways because of the data consumers that expect to render directly. for relations, we should in theory be only including the actual referen

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

On 4/11/2011 2:26 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: I've also thought that it would be nice to have a tag like admin_level (perhaps the admin_level tag itself) on relations to indicate which level of government is responsible for maintaining the road. No good. Many local governments maintain portions of st

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

On 4/11/2011 2:05 PM, Richard Welty wrote: for the California situation, i think there's an obvious answer, as the tertiary network appears to be divided into lettered groups: network=US:CA:A That's not the network any more than US:I:95 is the network for I-195 and other spurs of I-95.

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

On 4/10/2011 8:02 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-04-10 16:28, Nathan Edgars II wrote: How does this work with routes that cross county lines? California has a statewide numbering system, with the letter roughly representing the part of the state. Yup - that is problematic. I think, when I

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

On 4/10/2011 7:25 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-04-10 14:00, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: What's the consensus for county roads in the US? I don't know what the consensus is. County roads in California are of the form [A-Z][0-9][0-9]. I tag Orange County route S18 as: network="US:CA:Orange" +

Re: [Talk-us] School bus routes?

On 4/10/2011 7:05 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-04-10 12:43, Richard Welty wrote: but they do vary from year to year. As do commercial bus routes, at least based on the number of stickers with changes on them I see on signage around here. In fact, I'll bet that's on the rise as more/easy analy

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

On 4/10/2011 6:34 PM, Richard Welty wrote: that must be a lot of county roads, i haven't perceived a clutter problem in Rensselaer County, and i have used ref tags ("CR 9" for county route 9) everywhere. note that if you zoom out, mapnik is smart enough to disappear the county route ref tags past

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

On 4/10/2011 5:19 PM, Kristian Zoerhoff wrote: Point taken. I'm still not clear on the correct syntax for the relation, though. It shouldn't really matter as long as it's consistent, now that the new Java XAPI can download relations without their elements. For example, http://jxapi.openstreet

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

On 4/10/2011 5:00 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: I don't want ref tags on these, as the shields will quickly get too cluttered in Mapnik. Don't tag for your preference for what the renderer should do... ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.

Re: [Talk-us] School bus routes?

On 4/10/2011 4:29 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: How would the insertion of these new nodes cause a relation already linked to the way to no longer reflect reality? Does a relation include a list of all of the nodes in the related section of the way? Does any insertion of a new node, say to

Re: [Talk-us] School bus routes?

On 4/10/2011 4:06 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: How would deleting a way that wasn't part of a relation damage a relation linked to some other way? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/8601479 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/108010179 All the tags are the same; the only difference

Re: [Talk-us] School bus routes?

On 4/10/2011 4:12 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: A bus route is a spatial relationship, and thus makes sense to show on a map. We have a large number of people adding bike route information and/or highway route information to OSM; would you argue that those shouldn't be mapped either? Yes, s

Re: [Talk-us] School bus routes?

On 4/10/2011 3:53 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: The route information would also be of interest to any parents considering moving into a neighborhood So would information about recent sales and foreclosures or reported crimes. I hope nobody's tried mapping either of these. There's a point a

Re: [Talk-us] School bus routes?

On 4/10/2011 3:43 PM, Richard Welty wrote: but they do vary from year to year. i worry about importing such data then failing to maintain it. it's very subject to bit rot. The reason I noticed it was because I merged two identical ways that were part of a state route relation, and the server w

Re: [Talk-us] School bus routes?

On 4/10/2011 12:49 PM, Kristian Zoerhoff wrote: Probably, but at one time, I'd actually heard of school bus routes that were open to the public. I very seriously doubt these exist in this day and age. Boston has some school-day variations of normal routes, which essentially serve as school bus

[Talk-us] School bus routes?

I came across a relation for a school bus: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/239393 Isn't this a little too much detail for OSM? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] REF tags for State Highways on ways

On 4/9/2011 1:52 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 04/08/2011 03:02 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/8/2011 3:58 PM, Richard Welty wrote: i know NE2 likes to make the prefix go away for state ref tags For Florida, yes, since that's the statewide standard. For other states, I usually don&

Re: [Talk-us] downgraded highway classification in US

On 4/9/2011 11:18 AM, Richard Welty wrote: i wouldn't, i think, upgrade everything that has full striping as that would mean that most all roads in, say, Saratoga County end up tertiary as the towns there like to spend money on stripes. a standard based on striping makes more sense in Rensselaer

Re: [Talk-us] REF tags for State Highways on ways

On 4/9/2011 10:21 AM, Toby Murray wrote: This explicitly split out network information should be present in route relations. The ref=* tag on ways right now is mostly "tagging for the renderer" because current renderers don't use route relations. And tagging for redundancy, since relations brea

Re: [Talk-us] REF tags for State Highways on ways

On 4/9/2011 8:41 AM, Craig Hinners wrote: * At the conceptual level, the same string should not be used to represent the networks of multiple states, and some state-unique ID, be it the USPS two-letter abbreviation or otherwise, is needed. Why? We use the same prefixes for many co

Re: [Talk-us] downgraded highway classification in US

On 4/9/2011 8:41 AM, Richard Welty wrote: there are some notes in the Wiki about downgrading state highways to tertiary if they don't connect up to other secondary roads at reasonable intervals. in the spirit of this, when i encountered a county route in Rensselaer County that was a stub that on

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

On 4/8/2011 10:31 PM, James Mast wrote: Well, I was just testing MapQuest and it thinks that I-74's split there from I-77 is the main highway (somewhat). http://open.mapquest.com/?le=t&hk=7-OEgrKIB6&vs = It says "Stay STRAIGHT to go onto I-74 E." T

Re: [Talk-us] Peculiar addressing in Burr Ridge, IL

On 4/8/2011 8:47 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: Any clue what these inconsistent 16W prefixes are? It's not a PLSS designation because the area is around T38N/R11E. http://www.burr-ridge.gov/E-Services/GIS/GIS.html shows that they don't appear only on the frontage roads, but are all over the area. Rand

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

On 4/8/2011 6:22 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-03-28 12:19, Ian Dees wrote: In this picture: http://www.nomadchallenge.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/likelike-highway-honolulu.jpg What is the proposed tag for the highway=motorway_junction node? Are we tagging the node with exactly what is on th

Re: [Talk-us] REF tags for State Highways on ways

On 4/8/2011 4:46 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 4/8/11 4:26 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Do you have an example of that outside my first few months of editing? this changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5223229 from 7/2010, in which the ref tag for http

Re: [Talk-us] REF tags for State Highways on ways

On 4/8/2011 4:18 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 4/8/11 4:02 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/8/2011 3:58 PM, Richard Welty wrote: i know NE2 likes to make the prefix go away for state ref tags For Florida, yes, since that's the statewide standard. For other states, I usually don't tag

Re: [Talk-us] REF tags for State Highways on ways

On 4/8/2011 3:58 PM, Richard Welty wrote: i know NE2 likes to make the prefix go away for state ref tags For Florida, yes, since that's the statewide standard. For other states, I usually don't tag without a prefix. I certainly don't "make it go away" en masse. _

Re: [Talk-us] REF tags for State Highways on ways

On 4/8/2011 3:35 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: Shouldn't the ref tag be an unambiguous reference to a given road in a route network? Clearly, one should not put name=MI XX on a Michigan state route (unless there is a road sign reading "MI XX"), but ref=MI XX provides said unambiguous reference and can

Re: [Talk-us] REF tags for State Highways on ways

On 4/8/2011 3:03 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: The "SR" naming leads to ambiguity as to which state's route number is being referenced. Just like name=Main Street leads to ambiguity as to which city's main street it is. I understand the overlap between 20 and 42, but here the solution is to make s

Re: [Talk-us] REF tags for State Highways on ways

On 4/8/2011 2:00 PM, James Mast wrote: I just thought I would throw this out there so this can be settled once and for all. Which ref tag setup do you think should be used for State Highways on ways (not relations)? "PA-44" or "44". There's a third way: use the correct abbreviation. So Florida, i

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

On 4/8/2011 1:16 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: Not all consumers are for the purpose of navigation or map rendering. It might be useful, for example, to be able to query select * from where exit_to_root="Rosemead Blvd" to get both ramps from CA-60 to Rosemead Blvd, instead of having to use 'exit_to li

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

On 4/8/2011 12:47 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-04-07 13:31, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/7/2011 4:09 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: "Exit 183 / SR-247 South / Barstow Road" is tagged ref="183" + exit_to="CA-247;Barstow Road" + exit_dir="South;" Does anyone ha

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

On 4/7/2011 4:09 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: "Exit 183 / SR-247 South / Barstow Road" is tagged ref="183" + exit_to="CA-247;Barstow Road" + exit_dir="South;" Does anyone have examples of places where my suggested model does not work? It's not backwards-compatible with anything that uses exit_to. To

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

On 4/7/2011 12:53 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-04-06 15:26, Nathan Edgars II wrote: ... along with changing obvious km/h to mph issues. Did you affect only interstates with this? I fixed a bunch of the obvious ones some months ago, but "40" was a problematic ambiguity. Yes, and

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

On 4/6/2011 5:59 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-03-28 12:40, Ian Dees wrote: With that in mind I think it's important that the exit_to tag only include verbage on the sign (and not stuff we make up). IMO, not all the verbage on the sign. I've been tagging name as the name of the exit according

[Talk-us] Can anyone explain this TIGER oddity?

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22fake+state+hwy+35%22 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Bike Area

On 4/2/2011 11:37 PM, Val Kartchner wrote: Within the past few days I discovered an area built up for public use of pedal dirt bikes. I have searched but have not found a way to designate such an area. Has something been created yet? Here they're building one and calling it a "mountain bike p

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

On 3/28/2011 5:00 PM, Andrew Cleveland wrote: Just a nitpick: For exit numbers that consist of both a number and a letter, should we insert a space? For example "20A" vs. "20 A". The MUTCD ( http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part2/part2e.htm#section2E31 ) says "Suffix letters shall be used for

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

On 3/28/2011 12:28 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: In southern California, in my experience, people do not use exit numbers when giving directions - they use what we would call the name of the exit, which is usually the name of the street on which the offramp terminates*. One reason is that exit numbering

Re: [Talk-us] Cool ITO World US and Canada coverage

On 3/26/2011 11:37 AM, Richard Welty wrote: a helpful visualizer for the US would be one that flags speeds w/o a units tag (kph default). the mph option was added to the wiki in recent memory, and i for one tagged a lot of US roads with kph values before i became aware of the update to the maxspe

Re: [Talk-us] Cool ITO World US and Canada coverage

On 3/26/2011 7:51 AM, Mike N wrote: The better the visualizers and consumers, the more maxspeeds will get entered. You could almost needed a stopwatch to measure the delay between Mapquest rendering tollways as green and the completion of toll road markings in the US. Well that was mainly me ha

[Talk-us] semi-apology Re: "Screw-up" of borders

I'd like to apologize for specifically naming ToeBee and Techlady in subject lines, and any connotation that may have been attached to "screwup". The former was my error at reading the tea leaves of node histories, and the latter was Techlady's error but perhaps my overreaction. If this sounds

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by Techlady needs reverting

On 3/25/2011 12:28 PM, Toby Murray wrote: Yep, it is off by a couple hundred meters in some places. When I get home tonight I will download the latest Census shapefile and align the Colorado border to it by hand. A brief check shows that this data does have the border going through the monuments

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

On 3/25/2011 8:37 AM, Ian Dees wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Nathan Edgars II mailto:nerou...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 3/25/2011 7:49 AM, Ian Dees wrote: I would say that a better use of our time would be in creating boundary relations to fix the dupl

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

On 3/25/2011 7:49 AM, Ian Dees wrote: I would say that a better use of our time would be in creating boundary relations to fix the duplicated county/state boundaries. I would say it's more important to have the border in the right place (at least such that all roads in one state are on the corr

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by Techlady needs reverting

On 3/25/2011 5:43 AM, Toby Murray wrote: Thank you for the apology. I don't think that revert is going to happen though. Even if I agreed that this was the solution, it would be a nightmare. I did a lot of boundary work in that changeset involving splitting circular county border ways, creating

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by Techlady needs reverting

On 3/25/2011 4:44 AM, Paul Norman wrote: The first of your examples ('015 node) appears to be more accurate than the node it replaced in one of the ways, http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/263660932 which was farther away from the monument (based on NAIP imagery) In the second one ('476 no

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by Techlady needs reverting

On 3/25/2011 4:17 AM, Toby Murray wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: User ToeBee has, in several changesets in February, aligned state borders to exact lat/long. The problem is that this is not how the borders are defined; instead they are based on work that the

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

On 3/25/2011 3:56 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705298412/Four-Corners-marker-212-miles-off-Too-late.html Note the correction to this article: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705299160/Four-Corners-Monument-is-indeed-off-mark.html I was a little hasty

[Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

User ToeBee has, in several changesets in February, aligned state borders to exact lat/long. The problem is that this is not how the borders are defined; instead they are based on work that the 19th century surveyors did with the tools they had. Two obvious examples follow: http://www.openstreet

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed cleanup: NHD "rivers"

On 3/20/2011 9:12 PM, Richard Welty wrote: if combining them meaningfully improves the map, by all means do it. Or improves editing. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed cleanup: NHD "rivers"

On 3/20/2011 8:38 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 3/20/11 8:16 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 3/20/2011 8:13 PM, Richard Welty wrote: d suggest using relations to group ways that are parts of named rivers rather than trying to combine the ways. If the only difference between the ways is that NHD

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed cleanup: NHD "rivers"

On 3/20/2011 8:13 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 3/20/11 7:50 PM, Paul Norman wrote: 3 is about making the rivers into single ways, more like a mapper would do by hand. I'm not really set on this step and if done it would be after steps 1 and 2 have been done everywhere. Looking at nhd:com_id it mi

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

On 3/8/2011 8:03 AM, Mike N wrote: The "Motorway Junction" tag at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Motorway_junction has recently had the exit_to tag added. Old interstate tagging advice at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway was to put exit sign destinations in the "name" tag

[Talk-us] Mapquest rendering issue

http://open.mapquest.com/link/10-YfsRKQZk I figured someone higher-up would have noticed and fixed this by now. There's a roughly drawn boundary outside which the US rendering rules don't apply. This boundary sometimes crosses into the US. Is this boundary even necessary? What's wrong with ren

Re: [Talk-us] Trimet, Portland, Oregon updates

On 3/9/2011 5:27 PM, PJ Houser wrote: 1) We are editing incorrect trails and adding missing trails from RLIS (Metro, Oregon) and CCGIS (Clark County, Washington). We'd like to tag handicap accessibility of the trails we edit or add in. What tag would OSM mappers prefer? We were thinking "accessib

Re: [Talk-us] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites

On 3/6/2011 2:30 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 03/05/2011 08:01 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 3/5/2011 7:56 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: For the route selected at http://open.mapquest.com/link/10-TSgZnD38 based on data I know OSM knows about Tulsa, I would be more inclined to see a route more like

Re: [Talk-us] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites

On 3/5/2011 7:56 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: For the route selected at http://open.mapquest.com/link/10-TSgZnD38 based on data I know OSM knows about Tulsa, I would be more inclined to see a route more like http://open.mapquest.com/link/9-Fc1vHAi7 but with a more direct route taking the motorway_link

Re: [Talk-us] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites

On 3/5/2011 7:45 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Something that would be nice but isn't as critical is to pick up on bicycle=preferred/avoid cues for ways that have been observed by mappers to be ideal/scary to use by bicycle. Please don't do this, as mappers may have completely opposite ideas of what i

Re: [Talk-us] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites

On 3/4/2011 9:04 AM, Antony Pegg wrote: HI all, just a quick note - we've added bicycle and pedestrian routing options to the MapQuest Open sites more details here: http://blog.mapquest.com/2011/03/03/open-routing-options-expanded/ It likes to use sidewalks (footways) to avoid one-way restric

Re: [Talk-us] USPS Address Database

What we really need is a way to tag a grid (in those places that use one). That way we can give an approximate location (and hopefully the correct side of the street) if we lack an exact location. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org htt

Re: [Talk-us] place=city name=Tri-Cities

On 2/25/2011 2:03 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 02/24/2011 07:52 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 2/24/2011 8:16 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Until you're actually in the Tri-Cities area, it's rare to see official signage actually point out any of the three cities involved independently,

Re: [Talk-us] place=city name=Tri-Cities

On 2/24/2011 8:16 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Until you're actually in the Tri-Cities area, it's rare to see official signage actually point out any of the three cities involved independently, Have signs changed recently? On the photos on http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-082.html I see Kennewick

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Long-distance scenic roads

On 2/24/2011 7:40 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: I wonder if we are making a distinction that's not important. I think it is much more important to identify historical or scenic routes clearly than to highlight the distinction of being constructed just for sightseeing. I agree (at least for special

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Long-distance scenic roads

On 2/24/2011 6:44 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: These two are probably the best known of such roads, but there are others. --In the 1920s, the Lincoln Highway was established across the United States to promote auto travel (it seems to have succeeded). Portions were financed by oil companies. The

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] Long-distance scenic roads

On 2/24/2011 12:14 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: Nathan Edgars II writes: On 2/24/2011 8:18 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: On the other hand, some apparently non-local user has messed up tagging of Route 2 near Boston/Cambridge (from alewife to the science museum) and made them trunk when they obviously

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] Long-distance scenic roads

On 2/24/2011 8:18 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: On the other hand, some apparently non-local user has messed up tagging of Route 2 near Boston/Cambridge (from alewife to the science museum) and made them trunk when they obviously aren't (to anyone who has been on them - no limited access, constant at-gr

[Talk-us] place=city name=Tri-Cities

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/876536239 There's no city named Tri-Cities; this is the name of the metropolitan area that comprises Pasco, Kennewick, and Richland. I assume there's no defensible reason to keep it tagged as such, but what should be done about it?

Re: [Talk-us] Long-distance scenic roads

On 2/23/2011 10:10 PM, Ian Dees wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Nathan Edgars II mailto:nerou...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 2/23/2011 9:46 PM, Ian Dees wrote: They should be part of a route relation. Buh...? I'm asking what highway=* value they should have

Re: [Talk-us] Long-distance scenic roads

On 2/23/2011 9:46 PM, Ian Dees wrote: They should be part of a route relation. Buh...? I'm asking what highway=* value they should have. On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Nathan Edgars II mailto:nerou...@gmail.com>> wrote: In the US there are two long federally-maintained road

[Talk-us] Long-distance scenic roads

In the US there are two long federally-maintained roads, the Blue Ridge Parkway and Natchez Trace Parkway, that were built for the sole purpose of sightseeing. Since they are surrounded by a narrow strip of parkland, access is only allowed at certain points, so they are technically expressways

Re: [Talk-us] NHD Hydro Connectors

On 2/18/2011 8:22 PM, Richard Weait wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: I never knew that about steps, and have thus mapped roughly half the number of steps I've added incorrectly. In addition, for waterways, there's no way to say "I don't kno

Re: [Talk-us] NHD Hydro Connectors

On 2/18/2011 7:45 PM, Richard Weait wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Dale Puch wrote: That said, for now using oneway is better than not tagging flow direction. I disagree. Water flow direction is recorded by the direction of the way, same as steps "up" direction is recorded by the di

Re: [Talk-us] Sevier Lake Anomaly

On 2/16/2011 10:13 PM, Val Kartchner wrote: What I'm asking about is this anomaly in the area of Sevier Lake: "http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.0035&lon=-113.0895&zoom=14&layers=C";. What is up with this sudden change in terrain? Most likely the quality or method of creation of the data i

Re: [Talk-us] Parking lot not rendering

On 2/12/2011 3:19 PM, Lennard wrote: On 12-2-2011 20:10, Nathan Edgars II wrote: (By the way, the commercial parking to the north still goes slightly into the retail area. Maybe Mapnik calculates the area and draws from biggest to smallest?) Yes, it does, in this case, render from largest to

Re: [Talk-us] Parking lot not rendering

On 2/12/2011 2:01 PM, Val Kartchner wrote: > That was it. I split the parking lot at the boundary of the land use, > and it now renders correctly. I'll have to keep this in mind when I'm > drawing parking. > > I figured that since there was very little separation between parking > lots that it s

Re: [Talk-us] Parking lot not rendering

On 2/12/2011 12:47 PM, Val Kartchner wrote: I'm having a problem with the Mapnik rendering of this area: "http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.176495&lon=-111.948208&zoom=18";. In the retail area northwest of 48th Street and Harrison Blvd (UT-203) I have entered parking lots. However, they are n

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

On 2/6/2011 2:41 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On 02/06/2011 05:14 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > >> What does this have to do with anything? > > USDOT is working hard to make all federal highways bicycle accessible. > These routes are national in nature and often share with

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