Re: [TROM1] Welcome to TROM

2014-06-11 Thread Brian S (trom-l)
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Eli, Welcome to the list! I think you'll find the creative version of RI to be very powerful. Aside from remedying your havingness/importances you are practicing the basic abilities of a

Re: [TROM1] Need examples of the Postulates

2014-05-16 Thread Brian S (trom-l)
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Nice description Ludo! Colleen, take a look around you - what do you see? All that you see is a 'be known' and you are knowing it. Brian _ From: Ludo Vermeulen [mailto:

Re: [TROM1] Duplication (In reply to David)

2014-01-30 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org David, I find it hysterically funny that you rant on and on about Dennis while you proffer up The Book of Urantia for our consideration. Are you telling me you find that book to be well written

Re: [TROM1] Games manual audio pt 1

2014-01-28 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org No Slim, I can't think of a better use of your time! Thanks for your work. Brian _ From: Slim . [mailto:slimspersonalem...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:21 AM To:

[TROM1] Hello all

2014-01-28 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello TROMers, My name's Brian and I have been doing TROM on and off now for a few years (more off than on unfortunately.) I was a Scientologist for 30+ years until 2007 when I announced my depa

Re: [TROM1] Where Mass Came From. Cont'd

2014-01-28 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org TIPM - Twin Impossibility(Insanity) Point Mass You'll find it very well covered in one of Dennis' tapes. _ From: Cory Keeler [mailto:corykeeler...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday,

Re: [TROM1] Too much attention on postulates from the past

2014-01-28 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org I'd just clarify that a postulate is not a statement. Thinking that postulates are some verbalization is not correct. A postulate of gold bars IS the gold bars, the postulate IS the thing itself. Exis

Re: [TROM1] Fwd: Welcome to TROM

2013-08-10 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Glad to have you on the list Richard. What is it that you find confusing about Level 5? Brian _ From: Pete Mclaughlin [mailto:pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August

Re: [TROM1] Intro

2013-06-18 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Tim, Glad you made it onto the list! Talk to you soon Brian _ From: spi...@freezoners.org [mailto:spi...@freezoners.org] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 8:25 AM To: trom

Re: [TROM1] Opposing postulates and the games manual.

2013-05-30 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hey Slim, great post! I really enjoy reading the wins and knowledge you share. How long have you been doing level 5? Brian -Original Message- From: Spe [mailto:slimspersonalem...@gmail.com

Re: [TROM1] Military Meditation

2013-05-29 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org I had to laugh when I read the name of the psychiatrist - Dr Hayter Yowsa! Hubbard would have had a ball with that one. LOL ""It's the only approach that I have ever seen in the whole fiel

Re: [TROM1] The basic law that governs this universe

2013-05-29 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Great post Martin, Can you provide a link to where this is from? Thank you, Brian -Original Message- From: Martin Foster [mailto:msfos...@mweb.co.za] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:05 AM To

Re: [TROM1] RI discovery?

2013-05-29 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Cool ! - Thanks for sharing your experience Ake Brian _ From: Åke i Trosa [mailto:akes2...@tele2.se] Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:25 PM To: trom@lists.newciv.org Subject: [TROM1] RI

Re: [TROM1] questions re incidents +

2013-05-29 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Ake, If running more RI does not help, this simple process may: 1. What part of a carrierwave of fear are you willing to experience? 2. What part of a carrierwave of fear would you rather

Re: [TROM1] Manual: mistake

2013-02-21 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Yes if IS important The twin postulate structure if left as written is incorrectly saying: Make not known and Make not known when it should be conveying the concept

Re: [TROM1] Manual: mistake

2013-02-21 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Jurgen, You are correct, this should be corrected by removing the word "made". I disagree that "errors" should be merely collected and the text be left in an erroneous st

Re: [TROM1] RE Cross-Packaging

2013-01-27 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Thanks for these charts Pete. This helps with your question about how to deal with "all women are evil":. One could run "women" as a junior universe. Best regards, Brian

Re: [TROM1] MU's on Cross Packaging

2013-01-26 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Pete, I don't think you are helping to clarify matters at all with your examples. It seems to me that you have a number of things mismashed here. Reordering the postulates is not really

Re: [TROM1] Leve 4 "to enhance" @ xriz again

2012-11-14 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org OT 3 is not addressing YOUR involvement in the incident. It is addressing the BTs OT 3 incident. Thus your actual involvement with the incident has no bearing on the matter in running OT 3. Best to just

Re: [TROM1] Dreams not mentioned in TROM

2012-09-17 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org 2D? Not my dream universe, it's fully 3D. Fix what? Why do you imagine there is only one dream universe? Hope you get over this desire you have for enforcing universes. :) Brian _

Re: [TROM1] Dennis lied about TROM?

2012-09-12 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org I just want to point out an error in what you have said Pete. "first the games player needs to find the games he is playing then he needs to stop playing those games in order to timebreak the compu

Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 97, Issue 40, to whoever "TROM" is

2012-08-23 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Identity is taken on to accomplish a goal. The purpose of a goal is havingness. You did the BC right? Remember the "PreHav" scale? It's all about havingness. To Know, To Create bring

Re: [TROM1] Time breaking and the power to postulate.

2012-08-22 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Slim wrote: "Postulates are solid matter." That is not correct Slim. Solid matter is postulates. That is correct. Remember what Dennis said, "The universe consists of life and postulat

Re: [TROM1] a little on Ron while I am on the virtual reality theme

2012-08-22 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Paul, what psychotropic drugs are you talking about? Vistaril? Or something else and if something else can you provide a link to the data cause I sure haven't seen any such info. Hubbard never

Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 97, Issue 40

2012-08-22 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Be & Do are not 'non-life' goals, they just aren't goals. They are the tools of accomplishing goals. One adopts an identity (be) to accomplish something. Accomplish is Do. Somethi

Re: [TROM1] Postulates created in this universe.

2012-08-22 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org " My goal is to obliterate the basic law that governs this universe. Then my job will be done. " There is no need to do that. Some people might like playing here! You gonna be a Sou

Re: [TROM1] The creator of the universe and the basic law that governs it.

2012-08-03 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org " You are one of the many creators of this universe, and you are in it." Yes one of many, however there is no "in" in native state, only the viewpoints are "in".

[TROM1] Charge and a quote from the games manual.

2012-07-25 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Greeting !! > if you take a charged car battery which has a positive and negative ( know, > not know ) set of terminals and touch them together what happens ? > > crack !! sparks, heat a

Re: [TROM1] Nirvana

2012-07-19 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Paul wrote: "In games (not complementary postulates) one adopts a counter postulate to the one from another or others. As an example to know vs. to not know. In a games condition both partie

[TROM1] Reply to Colleen

2012-07-16 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Wow, Pretty obvious now isn't it ? . So Dennis really said all that . ? Good luck with r3x and the CO$ tech. lol I'm use TROM exclusively . : ) always have . Lol Slim. PS In r

Re: [TROM1] Level 5 & Nirvana

2012-07-15 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Nirvana could be 'permanent' for as long as the being wished. If it is not maintainable then clearly there is still work to be done. Do you mean you ran be, do and have as junior goals package

[TROM1] Another example.

2012-07-15 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org The Altered games manual, by L madruga. http://www.amazon.com/The-Resolution-of-Mind-ebook/dp/B006J2SRPS/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1342362681&sr=1-1&keywords=The+resolution+of+mind

Re: [TROM1] Makeing changes to the games manual.

2012-07-14 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > Pete > > When you make a change, add to, publish it on the internet and then die and > someone else takes your GM version and adds to it or changes it a little , > publishes it

[TROM1] how life itself came into being a spiritual quality

2012-07-12 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > >> lol. >> >> make no mistake. the mind is the only thing in your way from KNOWING native >> state. total freedom of choice. >> >> and most of all KNOWING h

[TROM1] Ip lectures and paranoid definition

2012-07-06 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org THE IP lectures by DHS. Interesting lectures for sure. Also that it's upper level materials of TROM not included in the games manual . Definition of insane ? the inability to reason and inabili

[TROM1] TROM

2012-07-03 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org I can't emphasize it enough : ) Using TROM on it's own , just TROM, is so amazingly powerful with the potential to be amazing dangerous when used incorrectly or when used with other

[TROM1] Left brain right brain

2012-07-01 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > Liberal conservative ? Lol, dominant submissive ? Psych class , 101. Lol > > Once you have a complete out of body experience, you'll realize beyond any > doubts or confusions, t

[TROM1] The human ape

2012-06-30 Thread TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org It needs food, water, sex, motion . Bathing and other bathroom activities. Don't drug it, get it drunk , have it smoke anything. Don't fight with it or play silly games with it or any game

Re: [TROM1] mistakes in TROM

2010-04-08 Thread TROM By DHS
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Pete, To be honest with you, the games manual you have up looks more like personal note taking to make it easier for you to understand the materials in some way . No harm in that in anyway . I do the

Re: [TROM1] mistakes in TROM

2010-04-08 Thread TROM By DHS
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Pete the error is not in the paper version of the original games manual , only in internet version . Its in the steps for running TROM by Judith Anderson She listed 3 ways to run RI and there are 4

[TROM1] mistakes in TROM

2010-04-08 Thread TROM By DHS
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Pete I found a mistake in the trom website the other day in the steps for running trom Also in the postulate cycle failure chart that I noticed back in 97 when I got the book Just wondering what

[TROM1] transcript for L3 supermarket paradox

2010-04-07 Thread TROM By DHS
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Enjoy ! Slim http://trom.googlegroups.com/web/Transcript+THE+SUPERMARKET+PARADOX.doc?gda=jFAF010AAADhMdP2Pi43_07Me-60aZve4Wm2G6dacCJLCWqO1ugKNxr31fFSM5p1Lhj