> 2) Create trust to this study platform within interested players -
> commercial OEMs, non-commercials, universies;
Is Canonical not interested in brining these OEMs and other commercial
entities into the community or does it find it's job is now just to
shield them from the community?
I hope t
2009/3/22 Vincenzo Ciancia :
>
>> Yep. We're very pleased that there are OEMs selling computers with
>> Ubuntu pre-installed, so that millions more people are using Free
>> Software. And we're happy to accept feedback from those OEMs on problems
>> their customers have with Ubuntu, even if some of
> Yep. We're very pleased that there are OEMs selling computers with
> Ubuntu pre-installed, so that millions more people are using Free
> Software. And we're happy to accept feedback from those OEMs on problems
> their customers have with Ubuntu, even if some of that feedback is
> private. We're
Op vrijdag 20-03-2009 om 17:48 uur [tijdzone +], schreef Matthew
Paul Thomas:
> Yep. We're very pleased that there are OEMs selling computers with
> Ubuntu pre-installed, so that millions more people are using Free
> Software. And we're happy to accept feedback from those OEMs on
> problems
> t
By the way, as "innocent bystander" of all this disscussion, I wanted
to check out that icon which was replacement of new NM zero signal
strength icon (as I understood, design team overlook decision of using
it and provided better alternative), but I really can't find it. It
doesn't appear in upgra
Olá Matthew e a todos.
On Friday 20 March 2009 11:29:56 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> Thanks for your efforts. I hope you can understand
I can, of course. I'm not a one side person... I listen to all sides if
possible.
Thanks for your efforts.
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Vincenzo Ciancia wrote on 20/03/09 12:36:
>
> On 20/03/2009 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
>>
>> That's a reasonable complaint, but not an easy one to address. OEMs
>> don't want to give their hardware competitors any ideas prematurely
>
> Come on! That
On 20/03/2009 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> That's a reasonable complaint, but not an easy one to address. OEMs
> don't want to give their hardware competitors any ideas prematurely
Come on! That's the opposite of the spirite of free software - or at
least of open source. Closed-source companies t
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(``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote on 19/03/09 01:18:
>...
> I'm sleepy and have bad memory, but AFAIR this all tread as been kept
> active because Design Team as one or more _closed source_ studies from
> OEMs that state that the old icon as bad UI, while m
Olá Mackenzie e a todos.
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 21:26:05 Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> I thought he was saying that the OEMs agreed with you...
I'm sleepy and have bad memory, but AFAIR this all tread as been kept active
because Design Team as one or more _closed source_ studies from OEMs that sta
On Wednesday 18 March 2009 10:12:04 am Andrew Barbaccia wrote:
> >
> > The VPN indicator lock is sufficient. It does its job of notifying me when
> > vpnc
> > has disassociated just fine. If only command line vpnc was so lovely.
>
>
> How does this work currently. I'm unaware as others on this
>
> The VPN indicator lock is sufficient. It does its job of notifying me when
> vpnc
> has disassociated just fine. If only command line vpnc was so lovely.
How does this work currently. I'm unaware as others on this list are too
probably.
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On Wednesday 18 March 2009 9:32:36 am Andrew Barbaccia wrote:
> The case of VPNs is interesting and I don't feel it fits into this
> connection list since it's another layer on top of an already established
> connection. In the case that you are VPNing over a wireless network, you
> would like to s
>
> your system can only use one default route
> [snip]
> dont waste panel space for confusing information and
> show the most relevant info the user needs to know about.
Have to agree with Oli here. N-M should handle the logic for switching
between different networks but in the tray, only
hi,
Am Dienstag, den 17.03.2009, 18:55 + schrieb Mat Tomaszewski:
> (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
> > Olá Mat e a todos.
> >
> > On Tuesday 17 March 2009 14:31:59 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
> >
> >> - why not show separate icons for all connection types in the panel?
> >>
> >
> > because gn
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 10:50:55 Andrew Barbaccia wrote:
> - The connection strength for wireless and 3G could be the current "bars"
> icon but with a 3G bubble in the corner. If that's too small then possibly
> different color bars would be sufficient?
How about an icon that includes a generic
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 2:29:24 pm (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
> Olá Mat e a todos.
>
> On Monday 16 March 2009 19:28:46 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
> > It's difficult for me (and I think for anyone) to consider statements
> > like that a constructive dialogue.
>
> I'm the OP of this thread! I was
I'd suggest only showing the icon for the currently used connection
(even if you're connected using several methods at the same time NM
only uses one of them for the Internet, right?) and let placing the
mouse over the icon display a bubble with more detailed information
about all connections. Just
(``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
> Olá Mat e a todos.
>
> On Tuesday 17 March 2009 14:31:59 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
>
>> - why not show separate icons for all connection types in the panel?
>>
>
> because gnome, kde, freedesktop all want to reduce the number of stuff on the
> notification bar.
Olá Mat e a todos.
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 14:31:59 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
> - why not show separate icons for all connection types in the panel?
because gnome, kde, freedesktop all want to reduce the number of stuff on the
notification bar.
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Olá Mat e a todos.
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 09:59:21 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
> - we have at least 3 types of network connections that should be
> represented by the appropriate icon:
> 1. Wireless
> 2. Wired
> 3. 3G
4. VPNs
5. Bluetooth threading
> Each of these has potentially 4 different state
Olá Mat e a todos.
On Monday 16 March 2009 19:28:46 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
> It's difficult for me (and I think for anyone) to consider statements
> like that a constructive dialogue.
I'm the OP of this thread! I was the one who asked for an explanation of why
the icon changed (without prior co
Andrew Barbaccia wrote:
>
> The challenge that we're facing is:
>
> - we have at least 3 types of network connections that should be
> represented by the appropriate icon:
> 1. Wireless
> 2. Wired
> 3. 3G
>
> Each of these has potentially 4 different states:
>
> - ca
>
> The challenge that we're facing is:
>
> - we have at least 3 types of network connections that should be
> represented by the appropriate icon:
> 1. Wireless
> 2. Wired
> 3. 3G
>
> Each of these has potentially 4 different states:
>
> - card present, but switched off
> - card present, but no co
>> Throw general modem connection in a bowl, because it would be needed
>> for bluetooth
>
> Bluetooth has already got its own icon and connection manager. This need
> improving, too, but as a separate track.
>
I was talking about Bluebooth modems. Yes, there are even two
connection managers for m
Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
>> The challenge that we're facing is:
>>
>> - we have at least 3 types of network connections that should be
>> represented by the appropriate icon:
>> 1. Wireless
>> 2. Wired
>> 3. 3G
>>
>>
>
> Throw general modem connection in a bowl, because it would be needed
> fo
> The challenge that we're facing is:
>
> - we have at least 3 types of network connections that should be
> represented by the appropriate icon:
> 1. Wireless
> 2. Wired
> 3. 3G
>
Throw general modem connection in a bowl, because it would be needed
for bluetooth and simple dialups (which I hope w
Martin Pitt wrote:
> Matthew Paul Thomas [2009-03-16 17:26 +]:
>
>> For Ubuntu it's a bit tricker, because we want to distinguish between
>> (1) no connection with wireless off, (2) no connection with wireless on,
>> (3) connected with wireless (at various signal strengths), and (4)
>> conne
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> Mat Tomaszewski wrote on 16/03/09 10:02:
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>> Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> and it's not what OS X does.
>>>
>> OS X shows "0 signal" icon for both no signal and disconnected. Not
>> sure what
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Martin Pitt wrote on 17/03/09 07:36:
> Matthew Paul Thomas [2009-03-16 17:26 +]:
>> For Ubuntu it's a bit tricker, because we want to distinguish between
>> (1) no connection with wireless off, (2) no connection with wireless on,
>> (3) connected w
Matthew Paul Thomas [2009-03-16 17:26 +]:
> For Ubuntu it's a bit tricker, because we want to distinguish between
> (1) no connection with wireless off, (2) no connection with wireless on,
> (3) connected with wireless (at various signal strengths), and (4)
> connected with wired.
There is at
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Mat Tomaszewski wrote on 16/03/09 10:02:
>
> Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
>...
>> and it's not what OS X does.
>
> OS X shows "0 signal" icon for both no signal and disconnected. Not
> sure what I've missed?
>...
Yes, but Bugabundo's original complain
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:28:46 + Mat Tomaszewski
wrote:
>Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:45:59 + Mat Tomaszewski
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I hope by saying *we* you mean *you*, or maybe other community members
>>> have already chosen their representative to speak for them? :)
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:45:59 +
Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
> (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
> > Olá Mat e a todos.
> >
> > On Monday 16 March 2009 10:58:55 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
> >
> >> That's an interesting feedback, thanks. However, I would not treat
> >> Linux Class students as representati
Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:45:59 + Mat Tomaszewski
> wrote:
>
>> I hope by saying *we* you mean *you*, or maybe other community members
>> have already chosen their representative to speak for them? :)
>>
>>
>
> Even with the smiley I think this kind of response
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:45:59 + Mat Tomaszewski
wrote:
>I hope by saying *we* you mean *you*, or maybe other community members
>have already chosen their representative to speak for them? :)
>
Even with the smiley I think this kind of response discourages constrcutive
dialogue and is not in
(``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
> Olá Mat e a todos.
>
> On Monday 16 March 2009 10:58:55 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
>
>> That's an interesting feedback, thanks. However, I would not treat Linux
>> Class students as representative for the population of all potential
>> Ubuntu users :)
>>
>
> M
Martin Soto wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 14:24 +, (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
> ...
>
>> On Monday 16 March 2009 10:58:55 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
>>
> ...
>
>>> The request to change the icon came originally from various OEMs we
>>> cooperate with
>>>
>> So OEMs now count
Martin Pitt wrote:
> Mat Tomaszewski [2009-03-16 10:02 +]:
>
>> OS X shows "0 signal" icon for both no signal and disconnected. Not sure
>> what I've missed?
>>
>
> Even if that is really so, I really don't think that we ought to copy
> such confusions from OS X,
>
Absolutely, hen
On 16/03/2009 Martin Soto wrote:
> Canonical's design team
> is definitely paying attention to us (as we can see from their active
> participation in this list) but they are aren't making their decisions
> solely based on our input, which, in my opinion, is also the right
> thing
> for them to do.
Hello Matthew,
> As a couple of small corrections to this, it's not a metaphor, and it's
> not what OS X does.
>
> The Design team has just discussed this and we agree it's confusing. The
> two-monitors icon sucked, but our first try at a replacement wasn't so
> hot. :-) We will have another go,
I agree that using the zero signal icon for "no connection" is really confusing.
Is there some easy way to revert this on my system?
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>
> backed up by their studies (not available for public,
> unfortunately). We'll now be very closely looking at all feedback we're
> getting for the new icon. I encourage everyone to keep their eyes open,
> too :)
>
Personally, a survey that nobody has access to from a 3rd party who is
initiating
Mat Tomaszewski [2009-03-16 10:02 +]:
> OS X shows "0 signal" icon for both no signal and disconnected. Not sure
> what I've missed?
Even if that is really so, I really don't think that we ought to copy
such confusions from OS X,
I had a quick look at OS X in 2004, and it definitively did *
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 14:24 +, (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
...
> On Monday 16 March 2009 10:58:55 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
...
> > The request to change the icon came originally from various OEMs we
> > cooperate with
>
> So OEMs now count more then Community?
> Thanks, that was exactly what
Olá Mat e a todos.
On Monday 16 March 2009 10:58:55 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
> That's an interesting feedback, thanks. However, I would not treat Linux
> Class students as representative for the population of all potential
> Ubuntu users :)
Most of them are brand new users, using a GNU/Linux dis
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> Mat Tomaszewski wrote on 07/03/09 13:17:
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>> Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
>>
>>> I totally agree that it's confusing
>>>
>> Is it confusing just because it's different to what you've been used
>> to? I know it
(``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
> Olá Matthew e a todos.
>
> On Thursday 12 March 2009 09:54:05 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
>
>> The Design team has just discussed this and we agree it's confusing. The
>> two-monitors icon sucked, but our first try at a replacement wasn't so
>> hot. :-) We will hav
Olá Matthew e a todos.
On Thursday 12 March 2009 09:54:05 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> The Design team has just discussed this and we agree it's confusing. The
> two-monitors icon sucked, but our first try at a replacement wasn't so
> hot. :-) We will have another go, considering the cross and sla
On Monday 09 March 2009 01:09:34 Darren Albers wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:45 PM, (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo
>
> wrote:
> > human-icon-theme (0.33.2) jaunty; urgency=low
> >
> > * Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0%
> > signal
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Mat Tomaszewski wrote on 07/03/09 13:17:
>
> Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
>>
>> I totally agree that it's confusing
>
> Is it confusing just because it's different to what you've been used
> to? I know it's not a justification, but OSX have been using exact
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:45 PM, (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo
wrote:
> human-icon-theme (0.33.2) jaunty; urgency=low
>
> * Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal
> strength icon
>
> -- Kenneth Wimer Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:36:53 +0100
>
>
On 07/03/2009 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
> There was a significant problem with the old icon (2 monitors), it
> was
> *totally* mysterious (what 2 monitors have to do with network
> connection?)
Two monitors represent two connected or disconnected computers
(depending on other factors, e.g. the i
On Saturday 07 March 2009 8:11:29 am Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
> are you going to change also nm-connection-editor.png ?
> what is the offline icon in KDE?
It's an unplugged cable.
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On Saturday 07 March 2009 11:15:29 am (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
> > There was a significant problem with the old icon (2 monitors), it was
> > *totally* mysterious (what 2 monitors have to do with network
> > connection?) and we had many complaints.
>
> mysterious?? it works *very* well to m
On Saturday 07 March 2009 6:17:32 am Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
> Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
> > I totally agree that it's confusing
> >
> >
> Is it confusing just because it's different to what you've been used to?
> I know it's not a justification, but OSX have been using exactly the
> same metaphor f
Olá Mat e a todos.
On Saturday 07 March 2009 11:17:32 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
> Is it confusing just because it's different to what you've been used to?
> I know it's not a justification, but OSX have been using exactly the
> same metaphor for many years now and it seems to be working out very wel
Olá Nicolò e a todos.
On Saturday 07 March 2009 13:11:29 Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
> proposal 1: we have 4 kind of network devices in the system (eth,
> wifi, gprs, modem). It's not a good idea to forget the other icons.
> So the best proposal for me would be a 'morphing' icon that is before
> a cable
Alexander Sack wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 11:17:32AM +, Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
>
>> Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
>>
>>> I totally agree that it's confusing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Is it confusing just because it's different to what you've been used to?
>> I know it's not a justification
On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 11:17:32AM +, Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
> Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
> > I totally agree that it's confusing
> >
> >
> Is it confusing just because it's different to what you've been used to?
> I know it's not a justification, but OSX have been using exactly the
> same metap
are you going to change also nm-connection-editor.png ?
what is the offline icon in KDE?
proposal 1: we have 4 kind of network devices in the system (eth,
wifi, gprs, modem). It's not a good idea to forget the other icons.
So the best proposal for me would be a 'morphing' icon that is before
a cab
Max Bowsher wrote:
> Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
>
>> Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
>>
>>> I totally agree that it's confusing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Is it confusing just because it's different to what you've been used to?
>> I know it's not a justification, but OSX have been using exactly the
>> same
Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
>> I appreciate critical voices, but please be constructive. One thing I'm sure
>> of is that we will not bring back the old icon. :)
>> Any suggestions as to how to improve the current situation are more than
>> welcome!
>>
>
> Ok, I will be constructive: we need to find
(``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
> human-icon-theme (0.33.2) jaunty; urgency=low
>
> * Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0%
> signal strength icon
>
> -- Kenneth Wimer Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:36:53 +0100
>
>
> Can this be reverted?
>
Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
> Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
>> I totally agree that it's confusing
>>
>>
> Is it confusing just because it's different to what you've been used to?
> I know it's not a justification, but OSX have been using exactly the
> same metaphor for many years now and it seems to be work
> I appreciate critical voices, but please be constructive. One thing I'm sure
> of is that we will not bring back the old icon. :)
> Any suggestions as to how to improve the current situation are more than
> welcome!
Ok, I will be constructive: we need to find a generic icon that
represent all ty
Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
> I totally agree that it's confusing
>
>
Is it confusing just because it's different to what you've been used to?
I know it's not a justification, but OSX have been using exactly the
same metaphor for many years now and it seems to be working out very well.
There was a s
I totally agree that it's confusing
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(``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
> human-icon-theme (0.33.2) jaunty; urgency=low
>
> * Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal
> strength icon
>
> -- Kenneth Wimer Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:36:53 +0100
>
>
> Can this be rever
human-icon-theme (0.33.2) jaunty; urgency=low
* Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal
strength icon
-- Kenneth Wimer Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:36:53 +0100
Can this be reverted?
The new icon is very deceiving, making me think I have my WiFi On, but with no
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