Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Clear new leadership

2008-06-13 Thread Onno Benschop
I'm disappointed in this response that suggests having a discussion about leadership off-list. This is not a closed process, just because people aren't vocal does not mean they aren't interested. A team is a group of people with a common understanding of their aims. We had a meeting to achieve a

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Clear new leadership

2008-06-13 Thread alan c
Onno Benschop wrote: I'm disappointed in this response that suggests having a discussion about leadership off-list. This is not a closed process, just because people aren't vocal does not mean they aren't interested. A team is a group of people with a common understanding of their aims. We

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Clear new leadership

2008-06-13 Thread John Botscharow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:02:05 +0800 Onno Benschop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip How many others will see this thread, shake their head and go elsewhere with their energy? And is there some rule that says that a few of us cannot get together

[ubuntu-marketing] wiki updates

2008-06-13 Thread Onno Benschop
I just completed a little reorganisation of the Agenda pages structure, that is, the place the pages live in the wiki - it involved several renames and edits. In case I made any horrible mistakes, here's a record of what I did to the wiki: * added meeting minutes for previous meeting *

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Clear new leadership

2008-06-13 Thread Onno Benschop
On 13/06/08 15:17, John Botscharow wrote: And is there some rule that says that a few of us cannot get together off the list and jointly prepare something concrete, well-thought out. and positive to bring to the list when it is ready rather than indulging in all the negativism that has

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Clear new leadership

2008-06-13 Thread John Botscharow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:30:26 +0800 Onno Benschop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13/06/08 15:17, John Botscharow wrote: And is there some rule that says that a few of us cannot get together off the list and jointly prepare something concrete,

[ubuntu-marketing] Stop it - start now

2008-06-13 Thread Simon Schneebeli
Hi all, It's about two weeks that I'm on this mailinglist. I don't want to and can't judge about the debate that is going on. For me, it's just clear that I'll turn away if things do not change to more soon. I joined this list because I wanted to help with marketing. I don't mind if there is

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Clear new leadership

2008-06-13 Thread alan c
Onno Benschop wrote: On 13/06/08 15:17, John Botscharow wrote: And is there some rule that says that a few of us cannot get together off the list and jointly prepare something concrete, well-thought out. and positive to bring to the list when it is ready rather than indulging in all the

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Stop it - start now

2008-06-13 Thread John Botscharow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:57:40 +0200 Simon Schneebeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, It's about two weeks that I'm on this mailinglist. I don't want to and can't judge about the debate that is going on. For me, it's just clear that I'll turn

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Stop it - start now

2008-06-13 Thread John Botscharow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:07:26 -0500 John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I knew how to set up a new list, I would do it. If someone here will explain where to go to do so and anything I need to know about the mechanics of setting up a

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Clear new leadership

2008-06-13 Thread Pierre Vorhagen
John Botscharow a écrit : I think Simon may have hit on the best solution. See his Stop it post. I'm sorry to say, but all these comments about sinister motives for off-list discussions strikes me as a bit paranoid. What about any private messages on IRC? Are they off limits too? For all the

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Stop it - start now

2008-06-13 Thread Cody A.W. Somerville
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:33 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:07:26 -0500 John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I knew how to set up a new list, I would do it. If someone here will explain where

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Clear new leadership

2008-06-13 Thread John Botscharow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:38:29 +0200 Pierre Vorhagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For anyone not interested in strategy/structure discussions, please feel free to ignore this message. I. for one, will not be offended. For those who are, please continue

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Stop it - start now

2008-06-13 Thread John Botscharow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:53:16 -0300 Cody A.W. Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:33 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:07:26 -0500

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Clear new leadership

2008-06-13 Thread Tord Jansson
I didn't intend to post anything more on this subject but the harsh tone in the mail below means that I will have to explain myself: 2008/6/13 Onno Benschop [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm disappointed in this response that suggests having a discussion about leadership off-list. This is not a closed

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Stop it - start now

2008-06-13 Thread Cody A.W. Somerville
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 7:22 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 snip Hello John, I am currently the only active administrator (Corey and Jenda are both busy with real life as far as I know). snip A question, Cody, for you

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing Strategy: What IS Marketing?

2008-06-13 Thread Tord Jansson
Just a quick note to clear up one central misconception: There is no one single way in which all FOSS projects work. Some people here are trying to spread that mantra but that is in my opinion a myth. There are tens of thousands of FOSS projects out there which are organized in totally different

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing Strategy: What IS Marketing?

2008-06-13 Thread John Botscharow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tord, Thank you for clarifying that for us all. Being relatively new here, I was actually beginning to believe the myth myself, hard as it was to try and swallow. And for the sake of honesty and openness, duplication, or as I like to refer to it -

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Clear new leadership

2008-06-13 Thread Cory K.
I'm sorry but the people who think a couple of emails off-list to help keep the noise down are against some zealot-like notion of FLOSS is simply astounding. And honestly I'm not surprised. So many people around here want to whine and talk but never do anything. Immediately jump to the negative

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Clear new leadership

2008-06-13 Thread John Botscharow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There goes someone we can ill afford to lose. Cory, you will be missed, and I promise to give you a call. I won't hit you up because, for my generation at least. that has sexual connotations, and frankly, you're not my type. LOL Pax vobiscum. Cory!

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing Strategy: What IS Marketing?

2008-06-13 Thread Cody A.W. Somerville
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:11 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tord, Thank you for clarifying that for us all. Being relatively new here, I was actually beginning to believe the myth myself, hard as it was to try and swallow. And

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing Strategy: What IS Marketing?

2008-06-13 Thread John Botscharow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:45:47 -0300 Cody A.W. Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:11 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tord, Thank you for clarifying

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing Strategy: What IS Marketing?

2008-06-13 Thread Cody A.W. Somerville
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:20 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:45:47 -0300 Cody A.W. Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:11 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing Strategy: What IS Marketing?

2008-06-13 Thread Cody A.W. Somerville
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:43 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:34:20 -0300 Cody A.W. Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read every post thus far. Whew, then I don't need to bore everyone by repeating

[ubuntu-marketing] Team wiki changes

2008-06-13 Thread John Botscharow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I made the following changes to the Resources page under the Information heading: I added a link to a new sub-page of the Resources page. The link is entitled Marketing Articles which is a table of contents to marketing articles that I feel are useful

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing Strategy: What IS Marketing?

2008-06-13 Thread John Vilsack
All, I think enough has been said about what we all think on the matter and we stand on the precipice of doing nothing, or doing something. I'm one for progress. I think the best course of action is to try out something new and to see how it plays out. I agree with Onno that whatever is done

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing Strategy: What IS Marketing?

2008-06-13 Thread John Botscharow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:28:05 -0300 Cody A.W. Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:43 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:34:20 -0300

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Core Marketing Team Created! Join Us!

2008-06-13 Thread John Botscharow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John V., I am not sure that a new team within this team is the solution. I am concerned that this solution will only compound the problems, not fix them. I could be wrong, but I will need to be convinced :-) There are other options that need to be

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Wiki problem I don't know how to fix

2008-06-13 Thread Søren Bredlund Caspersen
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 8:24 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If you go to the Marketing Team/Toolbox/Wiki page here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Toolbox/Wiki and then click on Support--General it takes you to Massachusetts

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Wiki problem I don't know how to fix

2008-06-13 Thread John Botscharow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:37:56 +0200 Søren Bredlund Caspersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 8:24 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If you go to the Marketing

[ubuntu-marketing] From the ground.

2008-06-13 Thread Philip Newborough
Hi All, I do not like to make a fuss, so I will keep this brief. I am unsubscribing from this list. I have been a subscriber for more than a year, but the recent noise and almost troll like behaviour [intentional or not] has worn a little too thin for my tastes. IMHO, I think some of the more

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Core Marketing Team Created! Join Us!

2008-06-13 Thread John Vilsack
The Launchpad is now up and running. Mailing list is in process. Please feel free to sign up and join! https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-marketing -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at:

[ubuntu-marketing] Thanks for all the fish [was] Marketing Strategy: What IS Marketing?

2008-06-13 Thread Vid . A
Hello, This is the first time I am writing such a long mail only because its the last. Yeah, I am leaving this list too. On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Cody A.W. Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read every post thus far. [snip] For example, John, someone (I can't remember who) was

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Core Marketing Team Created! Join Us!

2008-06-13 Thread Nick Ali
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 8:56 PM, John Vilsack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Launchpad is now up and running. Mailing list is in process. An LP mailing list? Then see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2008-April/003610.html nick -- http://boredandblogging.com --