Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

2009/3/5 Philip Stubbs : > No. I guess my memory could be wrong, but I am certain I was using a > VAX VMS system running some form of X windowing system and it had the > xman program. I can picture myself at the machine I used, and in that > part of the office all the machines were VAX VMS based.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Guys you really make me wish that I was old enough to have done all of this. The only way I can get close is by playing with the oldest servers I could find in my college when I ran it for them for a while (VMS based). One thing I still find funny abou

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

Sun did us a course in Solaris at Foster Yeoman (we were the first UK Oracle 7 production site, beat that!) and I have to say that Unix and VMS were about as different as chalk and cheese. But I worked it out and became a Unix expert as I'd been a VMS one... Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com h

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

2009/3/5 Liam Proven : > 2009/3/5 Philip Stubbs : > >> Read man pages. The first UNIX like system I used was a VAX-VMS >> system. > > Er, VAX-VMS was not remotely UNIX-like and did not have a "man" > command, nor "ls", "cd" or any of those. Ok. I can't remember what the command on the VAX system w

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

Sean Miller wrote: > Flippin' hell... he developed the iPhone??? > > http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/news/article1/ > > Arrghhh where did I go wrong? > > Sean > > Hi everybody, I have quite enjoyed learning about this, even though it did go off topic, it was quite interesting. Thanks for the l

[ubuntu-uk] booting the ubuntu restore DVD

It turned out to be, press F12 at the POST screen, as it states in the bottom, then select the optical drive when the boot device menu appears. It seems to have worked. To prevent all this from happening again, I need to go to System -> Administration -> Software Sources, and uncheck the Upda

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu print magazine with CD?

Andrew Oakley wrote: > Mark Fraser wrote: >> I was going to say that Computer Active published 'The >> Computer Active Ultimate Guide To Linux' in December, >> but that had Ubuntu 8.10 on it. It was £5.99. > > Ooh, that might do. Thanks. > > http://www.computeractive-direct.co.uk/index.cfm?p=16&

[ubuntu-uk] Beware - tempers flare

'Tempers Flare as Recession Creeps into Tech Industry' http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/03/tempers-flare-as-recession-creeps-into.html Extract: "It's _ hippy freaks like you that are costing us our jobs. You got any idea how many people are getting pink slips because of your b

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

Flippin' hell... he developed the iPhone??? http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/news/article1/ Arrghhh where did I go wrong? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

This page of Hugo's is fascinating... http://utter.chaos.org.uk/~altman/mp3mobile/ We have REALLY gone off topic now. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

Hugo's parents had a house, Burcott Manor (I think), just outside Wells and his bedroom was like most companies' server rooms of the time. Complete with his PDP whirring away and various Acorn Archimedes boxes and things serving BBS software. We wrote a BBC-micro based BBS package called "Datahos

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Steve Flynn wrote: > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Sean Miller wrote: >> I remember driving my friend Hugo Fiennes in, perhaps, the late 80s to >> pick up a PDP 11 running Unix.  I remember him joking about "she sells >> c-shells" etc. > > I've jsut spent 10 minu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Sean Miller wrote: > I remember driving my friend Hugo Fiennes in, perhaps, the late 80s to > pick up a PDP 11 running Unix.  I remember him joking about "she sells > c-shells" etc. I've jsut spent 10 minutes trying to work out why I knew that name. Empeg. I was TH

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

I remember driving my friend Hugo Fiennes in, perhaps, the late 80s to pick up a PDP 11 running Unix. I remember him joking about "she sells c-shells" etc. The PDP 11s that we ran at work, however, were RSTS. PDP 11/84s I believe, clunky old things with programming being primarily in BASIC. Se

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

Liam Proven wrote: > [...] > VAXen ran Unix - indeed, Unix was developed on VAXen. But the native > VAX OS, although much much later rated POSIX-compatible, was VMS which > is nothing like Unix in any way. Hello, Liam. Wrong! - Unix was developed on pdp11's: I used it on a pdp11/23 + 11/34. Howe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Running restore disc for Ubuntu

Rowan wrote: > Oh, absolutely, the applications are all in the repositories, they have > said so several times. But you can imagine how much angst I would > generate trying to do it that way. I suspect that the trick is to catch > one of the boot options when first powering up, before it goes into

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu print magazine with CD?

Mark Fraser wrote: > On Thursday 05 March 2009 10:24:12 Sean Miller wrote: > > Almost certainly Future Publishing... they do these things, > I was going to say that Computer Active published 'The > Computer Active Ultimate Guide To Linux' in December, Ah! Found it. It was "The Linux Starter Pack

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Running restore disc for Ubuntu

That was our interim conclusion, Simon, but it now appears that the problem is more complex. What happened was this: the suppliers sent the machine out to me with automatic updates switched on, and being a first-time user I allowed it to download and attempt to install a whole series of upda

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Running restore disc for Ubuntu

I missed the first lot of emails about this, so I may be WAY off the point here. Looking at that last email, are you having network issues with the r8168 driver? If so, I had that with Hardy, on a Realtek network card. I can't remember entirely what I did, but I know I posted about it on t

[ubuntu-uk] Touch Book

For those of you who haven't already seen this, the new toy from the guy who brought us the Zonbu. http://www.osnews.com/story/21075/Want_Touch_Book If it's as good as they make out it could prove interesting since the hardware design is supposed to be open, should make a very easy install for U

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: EU rules for member States and more! Closing Thread Please

Thanks Matt, mybe I was being too specific, yes, ROI items were charged at the 15% rate. Time to close this thread, back to the technical ones. Regards, Michael --- On Thu, 5/3/09, Matt Jones wrote: From: Matt Jones Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: EU rules for member States and more! To: mikezz1.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: EU rules for member States and more!

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:10 PM, mike daniels wrote: > I am not qualifed to comment on EU VAT on intercompany busines, My point > was, if an individual purchases goods from an EU State, the VAT rate of that > State is applied, so for example, a purchase from Polaland is at the 22.5% > rate. > > ---

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Running restore disc for Ubuntu

On 05/03/2009, Sean Miller wrote: > Trying to fix something that is broken is FAR harder than simply > re-installing, and it sounds like he's sufficiently early on in his > "Linux journey" to do that without losing too much. > Sounds like the windows way of "fixing" things. "Just reboot", "Jus

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

Ian, Ian Betteridge wrote: > I approve of this wild topic drift :) Yes, me too! I was a grewat lover of OpenVMS (to give it its proper name) and all things VAX and Alpha. I still have an Alpha workstation running OpenVMS running under my desk! > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Sean Miller

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Running restore disc for Ubuntu

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Alan Pope wrote: > You're not Rowan though. You have orders of magnitude more skill and > experience in use of Linux than he appears to. If he goes for a > vanilla install of Ubuntu it's entirely likely that he'll end up with > some level of brokenness somewhere and

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: EU rules for member States and more!

I am not qualifed to comment on EU VAT on intercompany busines, My point was, if an individual purchases goods from an EU State, the VAT rate of that State is applied, so for example, a purchase from Polaland is at the 22.5% rate. --- On Thu, 5/3/09, Angelos Chatzikostas wrote: From: Angelos C

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Running restore disc for Ubuntu

I think we have provided immense amounts of information detailing exactly the commands that Rowan needs to recompile and reinstall his driver. Either he knuckles down and tries it ... I already did just that, I believe: type the following as root or using sudo to rebuild the r8168 driver: cd /roo

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fw: EU rules for member States and more!

There is no VAT in intra EU transaction. But the importer has to pay the VAT in customs. That is ofcourse applied to companies and not individuals... I think UK has to see more friendly the EU ... Thanks 2009/3/5 mike daniels > >I was educated before we bacame part of the EU. > The EU al

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Running restore disc for Ubuntu

On 05/03/2009, Sean Miller wrote: > I really think you're wasting your time, Rowan, dealing with them. > Harsh. > I am convinced that if you let Ubuntu simply install itself you'll > have all your issues fixed. > I'd be willing to bet that's not the case. Look at it from LC point of view. The

[ubuntu-uk] Fw: EU rules for member States and more!

I was educated before we bacame part of the EU. The EU allows all member States to use their own system of measurement and currency! Interesting that a contributor wants computer weights stated in kilos! Some years ago, trading standards prosecuted traders for selling goods in pounds an

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

I approve of this wild topic drift :) On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Sean Miller wrote: > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Sean Miller wrote: > > Quite right, none of this Unix nonsense... we used to have VML and God > > knows what else... oh, I guess we'd better mention "edt" or (if you > > we

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Running restore disc for Ubuntu

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Rowan wrote: > yeah, well, California ... they're probably all stoned ... Can we join in do you think? Could just do with getting stoned, but in cloudy Shepton Mallet there are no hippies to commune with... *deep breath* ;-) Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Liam Proven wrote: > 2009/3/5 Philip Stubbs : > >> Read man pages. The first UNIX like system I used was a VAX-VMS >> system. > > Er, VAX-VMS was not remotely UNIX-like and did not have a "man" > command, nor "ls", "cd" or any of those. Quite right, none of this U

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Running restore disc for Ubuntu

yeah, well, California ... they're probably all stoned ... Sean Miller wrote: > I really think you're wasting your time, Rowan, dealing with them. > > I am convinced that if you let Ubuntu simply install itself you'll > have all your issues fixed. > > It is one of the things we've been taught to d

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Sean Miller wrote: > Quite right, none of this Unix nonsense... we used to have VML and God > knows what else... oh, I guess we'd better mention "edt" or (if you > were really advanced and modern) "tpu"...  if you couldn't do it with > the numeric keypad on a vt200

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu print magazine with CD?

2009/3/5 Andrew Oakley : > I recall seeing an Ubuntu Linux printed magazine with Hardy LTS desktop > install CD available in WH Smiths for a tenner, a few months ago. > > It's not in Smiths now, at least not the large Cheltenham branch. Does > anyone know where I might be able to get copies of this

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Running restore disc for Ubuntu

Oh, absolutely, the applications are all in the repositories, they have said so several times. But you can imagine how much angst I would generate trying to do it that way. I suspect that the trick is to catch one of the boot options when first powering up, before it goes into Ubuntu, perhaps

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

2009/3/5 Philip Stubbs : > Read man pages. The first UNIX like system I used was a VAX-VMS > system. Er, VAX-VMS was not remotely UNIX-like and did not have a "man" command, nor "ls", "cd" or any of those. The directory-listing command was not "ls", it was DIR or indeed any abbreviation of DIREC

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Running restore disc for Ubuntu

I really think you're wasting your time, Rowan, dealing with them. I am convinced that if you let Ubuntu simply install itself you'll have all your issues fixed. It is one of the things we've been taught to do, phone or e-mail the supplier in the first instance, but when it comes to Linux I have

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Running restore disc for Ubuntu

On 05/03/2009 12:39, Rowan wrote: > thanks guys -- I have all the time in the world, it's just that I am a > bit luckless (and clueless). This DVD is the one that LinuxCertified > made specifically as an 'image' of their own particular configuration > with all its applications, but they also suppli

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Running restore disc for Ubuntu

thanks guys -- I have all the time in the world, it's just that I am a bit luckless (and clueless). This DVD is the one that LinuxCertified made specifically as an 'image' of their own particular configuration with all its applications, but they also supplied a CD with just the ubuntu minus the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Running restore disc for Ubuntu

My advice, Rowan... - back everything up that you need (probably only /home/rowan or whatever) - re-install from a fresh Ubuntu CD. Trying to work out what's going on with this one just seems to be taking up time of yours that you really do not have... the truth is that Ubuntu is VERY good these

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Running restore disc for Ubuntu

On 05/03/2009 11:51, Rowan wrote: > Hello again, people. > > It seems, after many emails back& forth, that the partially-installed > updates really screwed up a lot of things in the > Ubuntu-plus-applications installation originally shipped to me, so I > want to run the restore disc, which is supp

[ubuntu-uk] Running restore disc for Ubuntu

Hello again, people. It seems, after many emails back & forth, that the partially-installed updates really screwed up a lot of things in the Ubuntu-plus-applications installation originally shipped to me, so I want to run the restore disc, which is supposed to restore all of these. It doesn't

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu print magazine with CD?

Mark Fraser wrote: > I was going to say that Computer Active published 'The > Computer Active Ultimate Guide To Linux' in December, > but that had Ubuntu 8.10 on it. It was £5.99. Ooh, that might do. Thanks. http://www.computeractive-direct.co.uk/index.cfm?p=16&itemid=2946 Basically I want to g

Re: [ubuntu-uk] PDA running linux?

> Hi -- does anyone have any experience with PDAs running linux? > I need to write an on-site data-gathering app, and such a machine would be > perfect. > I'd also need a clue about the best way to rapid-dev for a linux PDA. > & I've got about 2 weeks, typically! >    Doug. There are lots of insta

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu print magazine with CD?

On Thursday 05 March 2009 10:24:12 Sean Miller wrote: > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Oakley wrote: > > I recall seeing an Ubuntu Linux printed magazine with Hardy LTS desktop > > install CD available in WH Smiths for a tenner, a few months ago. > > > > It's not in Smiths now, at least

[ubuntu-uk] PDA running linux?

Hi -- does anyone have any experience with PDAs running linux? I need to write an on-site data-gathering app, and such a machine would be perfect. I'd also need a clue about the best way to rapid-dev for a linux PDA. & I've got about 2 weeks, typically! Doug. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop

Matt Jones wrote: > Dell build has improved recently, apart from the odd cockup. I have a > vostro 1400 that I have had for quite a while now, compared to the > 640m I had before (Smaller inspiron 6400), it is much better. The base Yeah, I've got an Inspiron 1520 which is rock-solid, has been trun

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu print magazine with CD?

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Oakley wrote: > I recall seeing an Ubuntu Linux printed magazine with Hardy LTS desktop > install CD available in WH Smiths for a tenner, a few months ago. > > It's not in Smiths now, at least not the large Cheltenham branch. Does > anyone know where I might

[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu print magazine with CD?

I recall seeing an Ubuntu Linux printed magazine with Hardy LTS desktop install CD available in WH Smiths for a tenner, a few months ago. It's not in Smiths now, at least not the large Cheltenham branch. Does anyone know where I might be able to get copies of this? Or who the publisher was? And

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

2009/3/4 John : > I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but I was just wondering, are > there any websites or books that are Ubuntu specific, that are easy to > read and understand. I want to try using my Terminal more, and I think > I'm now ready to start learning. Read man pages. The first UN

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....

2009/3/4 John > I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but I was just wondering, are > there any websites or books that are Ubuntu specific, that are easy to > > read and understand > Before spending any money on dead tree books take a look at http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com it's a free to dow