Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Geoff, The problem with Topics is that it is just a table of contents with chapter and topic listings. It only has one general category and then the specific topic. This is not what I was talking about. It is neither general enough nor specific enough. It is also very slow! I would en

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

On Aug 19, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Dennis Brown wrote: The way I want to search for information when I don't know what something is called or even if it exists, is narrowing by categories. I would want a list of 10-20 broad categories. And for each broad category, a new list of categories would

RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Peter, On August 19, 2005 11:33:48 AM CDT you wrote: How is this different from the existing search option? Well it is somewhat different and seems to be faster than the documentation search on my machine. It also hilites the search string in red in the found topics. Check it out by running

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

If I might just interject a thought about indexes. The way I want to search for information when I don't know what something is called or even if it exists, is narrowing by categories. I would want a list of 10-20 broad categories. And for each broad category, a new list of categories would

RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

How is this different from the existing search option? At 08:36 AM 8/19/2005, you wrote: Revers, Sorry to be so late on this topic. I'm retired. :-)) If you haven't already, get Wilhelm Sanke's excellent "Search Docs" plugin. Put it in your plugins folder for easy access in Rev. I typed Jo

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Klaus: "And I think even a newbie COULD (if not should) know that an option menu might have more than 1 ehm... option :-) " Good point. I'll have to inspect the UI much more carefully in the future for hints about other features! Maybe we can have a contest for people who can find some othe

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Hi Jon, On 8/19/05 7:14 AM, "Jon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Of course, because there aren't any keywords that contain that string. But perhaps that's another issue for newbies - understanding the difference between filter and search..." Not really. Since Filter is visible, and search is

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

On 8/19/05 7:14 AM, "Jon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Of course, because there aren't any keywords that contain that string. > But perhaps that's another issue for newbies - understanding the > difference between filter and search..." > > Not really. Since Filter is visible, and search is not,

RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Revers, Sorry to be so late on this topic. I'm retired. :-)) If you haven't already, get Wilhelm Sanke's excellent "Search Docs" plugin. Put it in your plugins folder for easy access in Rev. I typed Jon's first search into it (continue) and "break \" came up as the first in the list. Get

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

I think the lesson here is that filtering is only a way of narrowing down the actual keywords and function names in the dictionary, or the topic titles in the topics section. If you don't know and can't guess the keyword or whatever, it's necessary to search, instead. Cheers, Mark On 19 Aug

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Ken: "Of course, because there aren't any keywords that contain that string. But perhaps that's another issue for newbies - understanding the difference between filter and search..." Not really. Since Filter is visible, and search is not, Filter is the ONLY facility that anyone would think

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Great. You figured out how to make the Help system work successfully. Try Filtering the Dictionary and the Topics with"continue". I get NOTHING here. Working with Rev should not be a game: it should be easy to locate this information. I'm happy that you were able to find the information.

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

> As I noted in my previous post, I fully agree with Jon that it would > be great for Rev to include an entry for the backslash token in the > docs. FWIW, in the docs here, using 'Search For' on "continue" or "continu" lists the backslash character in the 1st found result. Using 'Search For' on "

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

On 19 Aug 2005, at 09:10, Mark Wieder wrote: Jeanne- Friday, August 19, 2005, 12:00:05 AM, you wrote: The entry for "\" is also the first item returned when you search the dictionary for "continue". OTOH, filtering on "continu" shows absolutely nothing. But searching (not filtering) fo

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

On 8/19/05 3:10 AM, "Mark Wieder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jeanne- > > Friday, August 19, 2005, 12:00:05 AM, you wrote: > >> The entry for "\" is also the first item returned when you search the >> dictionary for "continue". > > OTOH, filtering on "continu" shows absolutely nothing. Of cou

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Hi Jon, Klaus: I thought that all of you who paid the big bucks for the Enterprise version got a pill with RNA in it, and that you learned it all over night! :) we wished, Jon, we really wished... ;-) Jon Klaus Major wrote: Hi Jon, Jon wrote: ... I envy those of you who use Rev a

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Jeanne- Friday, August 19, 2005, 12:00:05 AM, you wrote: > The entry for "\" is also the first item returned when you search the > dictionary for "continue". OTOH, filtering on "continu" shows absolutely nothing. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] _

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote: At 4:16 PM -0700 8/18/2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: As I noted in my previous post, I fully agree with Jon that it would be great for Rev to include an entry for the backslash token in the docs. If someone will kindly drop this into the BZ queue we can expect that to

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

At 4:16 PM -0700 8/18/2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: As I noted in my previous post, I fully agree with Jon that it would be great for Rev to include an entry for the backslash token in the docs. If someone will kindly drop this into the BZ queue we can expect that to happen, then we'd never need

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

At 3:20 PM -0400 8/18/2005, Jon wrote: I'm sure the answer to this question (how do you continue a line in Rev) is simple. Where could I have found the answer to this simple question in the documentation? I looked for "continue": no joy. "line": no joy. I looked at the Scripting discussion,

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Mark Wieder wrote: Richard- Thursday, August 18, 2005, 4:16:28 PM, you wrote: As I noted in my previous post, I fully agree with Jon that it would be great for Rev to include an entry for the backslash token in the docs. If someone will kindly drop this into the BZ queue we can expect that to

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Richard- Thursday, August 18, 2005, 4:16:28 PM, you wrote: > As I noted in my previous post, I fully agree with Jon that it would be > great for Rev to include an entry for the backslash token in the docs. > If someone will kindly drop this into the BZ queue we can expect that to > happen, then w

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Jon wrote: I think some people just learn differently than others. No doubt. But at least you and I have one useful thing in common: If we don't find it easily in the docs we bring the question here to this list. Near-immediate gratification at zero cost -- hard to beat that value. I ne

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

I think it was Jon who asked about line wraps. Jon, you might not have noticed a nice Rev feature that also addresses your concern. When a script window is open, you'll find a "wrap long lines" item in the "view" dropdown menu. If you turn it on, you don't need the backslash, but you can still

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Mark Wieder wrote: Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:01:28 PM, you wrote: Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned, and how much less tim

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

On 8/18/05 5:23 PM, "Peter T. Evensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is the continuation character documented someplace? Absolutely! It's under the \ keyword in the Dictionary. Technically it's called a "line continuation character", so when I did a search in the Dictionary for "continuation" (Sea

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Richard Gaskin wrote: When I was first transitioning to Transcript (back then it was called MetaTalk) from a background of mostly SuperTalk and a little C and Pascal (and all of it only on Mac), I whinged all over the discussion list about how this was wrong and that was wrong and why couldn't

RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

do you continue a line in Rev? "I learn a lot by looking at other people's code, but not everyone has the same style of learning." Just FYI, I did look at a lot of code before asking, but most people seem to be able to avoid using the backslash. I did too, right up until I ha

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

docs cover to cover. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Wieder Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:13 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev? Richard- Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:01:28 PM

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

"I learn a lot by looking at other people's code, but not everyone has the same style of learning." Just FYI, I did look at a lot of code before asking, but most people seem to be able to avoid using the backslash. I did too, right up until I had to use a huge libUrlFormData statement... :)

RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

lanations. Would this be practical? Is there any way to automatically put the docs into a Wiki? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter T. Evensen Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:24 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: RE: I give up: how do y

RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter T. Evensen Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:24 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev? Is the continuation character documented someplace? The current

RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

give up: how do you continue a line in Rev? Richard- Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:01:28 PM, you wrote: > Jon wrote: >> I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it >> continues to be a very frustrating experience. > How many other multi-platform pr

RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

I found it very helpful to read the docs cover to cover. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Wieder Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:13 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev? Richard

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Richard- Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:01:28 PM, you wrote: > Jon wrote: >> I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it >> continues to be a very frustrating experience. > How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned, > and how much less time d

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Richard Gaskin wrote: xTalk is a radically different paradigm from most other languages, and indeed carries much "unlearning". To help ease the journey for those familiar with other lanuguages I would advocate an OPTIONAL assignment syntax as you describe. As an option, xTalk purists could

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned, and how much less time did they take to master? > My ONLY point was that I was unable to f

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Klaus: I thought that all of you who paid the big bucks for the Enterprise version got a pill with RNA in it, and that you learned it all over night! :) Jon Klaus Major wrote: Hi Jon, Jon wrote: ... I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Hi Jon, Jon wrote: ... I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. Well, actually we did not wake up one morning and suddenly knew how to do everything right, believe it or not... ;-) Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTE

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Alex Tweedly wrote: And I think there's a serious point about "using Rev all the time ..." - I find Rev frustrating in trivial ways when I switch between it and Python too often (stupid little things like writing a whole section of script like myVar1 = empty myVar2 = "this string" befor

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Interesting dilemma. I checked out the Microsoft Development Environment Help for VB and couldn't find out how to 'continue' a line there either. I searched for "continue", "break", "line" and checked all the scripting reference guides. bummer. Chipp Jon wrote: I'm sure the answer to this q

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Richard Gaskin wrote: Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned, 4 or 5, depending how you count them ... (actually could be more

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

I agree that a critical problem is trying to figure out what the authors of the documentation might have called the concept I have in mind. I have no constructive recommendation for improving the current system, other than that perhaps explaining the purpose of the "\" character might have bee

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

My ONLY point was that I was unable to find this simple item in the Help. End of statement. Richard Gaskin wrote: Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. How many other multi-platform programming

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

If you'd done a search of the dictionary for "break" you'd have found the "\" keyword. I often have to imagine a number of words that might be appropriate and try them all. I agree that this can be frustrating, but persistence and imagination are the key. This goes to confirm the idea that what

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Thanks, Ed! :) Jon KOPP Ed wrote: Jon - as a novice myself I struggled with the same question. Then I found the answer in a sample script. The "\" backslash character continues a line. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Sent: T

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Jon wrote: I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience. How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned, and how much less time did they take to master? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJou

RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Yah - but this list is great. Searching the list archives is very useful as well: http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution@lists.runrev.com/ I think that the problem is one of staffing. There are not very many Rev users - thus not enough income for the company to hire people to write documenta

Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Recently, Jon wrote: > I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it > continues to be a very frustrating experience. Dude - even coming from a related background (Director, Hypercard, Supercard) it took me a good year to get comfortable with Rev (then MetaCard). And

RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?

Jon - as a novice myself I struggled with the same question. Then I found the answer in a sample script. The "\" backslash character continues a line. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:20 PM To: Revol