even though
they struggle to use it (ok, 2010's is a little easier and more logical than
2007's but people still struggle).
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Thu, 9/8/12, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
From: Gordon Burgess-Parker
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Do You Share ODF Do
I've downloaded the drafts and intend to read. Unfortunately, I am not a
particularly good copy editor, but I am willing to mark and report what I find.
How do I learn the process for this?
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com
On Aug 9
On 2012-08-09 8:14 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
wrote:
The costs for upgrading to newer version of MSO still has some people I
know using MSO 2003, in business and home. Then there are those who
send out complex MSO 2010 .docx documents to people that cannot view
them, even on their MSO 2007 versi
I was mistaken as to which version of MO I learnt to use as a 5 year
old. It was MO 2000 not 2003. I am 16 not 14 also!
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, at 10:10 PM, Dan wrote:
> Dan wrote:
> > T Hopkins wrote:
> >> The ribbon interface is definitely MO's big vulnerability.
> >>
> >> I would also argue that co
Dan wrote:
T Hopkins wrote:
The ribbon interface is definitely MO's big vulnerability.
I would also argue that continuing development and promotion of Base is
important. In
particular, decreasing the accessibility curve and making the usefulness of
Base more
apparent to users.
Cheers, tod
T Hopkins wrote:
The ribbon interface is definitely MO's big vulnerability.
I would also argue that continuing development and promotion of Base is
important. In
particular, decreasing the accessibility curve and making the usefulness of
Base more
apparent to users.
Cheers, tod
Tod Hopkins
I have one users that only uses Windows due to his need to access a
database he created using MSO 98[?] and now using MSO 2000 or 2003.
With no real Base documentation for me to deal with, I cannot figure out
how to make it work with Base.
So this guy has to deal with a slow computer running
The ribbon interface is definitely MO's big vulnerability.
I would also argue that continuing development and promotion of Base is
important. In particular, decreasing the accessibility curve and making the
usefulness of Base more apparent to users.
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
H
On Aug 9, 2012, at 2:43 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
> The total costs of all that would be FAR lower by converting from Office 2003
> or any of its predecessors to LO compared to converting to Office
> 2007/2010.users could at least get going almost immediately with LO
> whereas the new
On 08/09/2012 02:43 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
On 08/08/12 22:26, T Hopkins wrote:
The difference in cost of the initial license, when considered from
the full deployment/productivity calculation of an IT manager, is
often not the deciding factor. The primary cost of changing software
is
The costs for upgrading to newer version of MSO still has some people I
know using MSO 2003, in business and home. Then there are those who
send out complex MSO 2010 .docx documents to people that cannot view
them, even on their MSO 2007 versions. I remind people that not
everyone has the n
On 09/08/12 01:28, Anthony Easthope wrote:
When at home it is a case of using LO but when at work and school it is
a matter of using Mo as that is what everybody else uses.
You have to consider WHY "everybody" uses it (and that's a bit of a
generalisation anyway...)
In the dim distant past when
On 08/08/12 22:26, T Hopkins wrote:
The difference in cost of the initial license, when considered from
the full deployment/productivity calculation of an IT manager, is
often not the deciding factor. The primary cost of changing software
is not the license, but installation, configuration, tra
Tod, you're correct;
although the businesses fail to consider the cost of
safeguarding their machines;
a cost which would be considerably reduced by not using the
MSFT products.
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:26 PM, T Hopkins wrote:
On Aug 8, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Gordon
When at home it is a case of using LO but when at work and school it is
a matter of using Mo as that is what everybody else uses.
I prefer to use LO for the simplicity that it has attached with it. I
remember being taught as a 5 year old to use MO 2003 and becoming quite
proficient in its use. Now
On Aug 8, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
> The problem doesn't seem to be so much with management not wanting to change
> - it seems to be with fear of the IT dept.
There are very sound reasons that businesses are conservative. Businesses
don't like change because change costs
MSO. Perhaps just a few pointers on
how to
get better results from sharing.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Jay Lozier
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Do You Share ODF Documents With MS
Office
Users?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 8 August, 2012, 3:26
On 08/07/2012 08
wanted practical comments on issues arising from
trying to share with the 90% (or thereabouts, depending on geography) of
computer users that still use MSO. Perhaps just a few pointers on how to
get better results from sharing.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Jay Lozier
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-use
95On 08/08/2012 03:59 PM, James Knott wrote:
Jay Lozier wrote:
When MS introduced Win95 they were well positioned to implement a
good GUI for MSOffice, they had already do it once on the Mac.
Check out Novell vs Microsoft for info on how Microsoft used hidden
API on Windows to ensure their a
Jay Lozier wrote:
When MS introduced Win95 they were well positioned to implement a good
GUI for MSOffice, they had already do it once on the Mac.
Check out Novell vs Microsoft for info on how Microsoft used hidden API
on Windows to ensure their apps worked better than the competition.
That
On 08/08/2012 01:39 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
On 08/08/12 15:01, anne-ology wrote:
Gordon, you're correct, but trying to convince many - especially
businesses - of this logic, can be next to impossible ;-)
The problem doesn't seem to be so much with management not wanting to
c
On 08/08/12 15:01, anne-ology wrote:
Gordon, you're correct, but trying to convince many - especially
businesses - of this logic, can be next to impossible ;-)
The problem doesn't seem to be so much with management not wanting to
change - it seems to be with fear of the IT dept. Many
he discussion there or even better
>>> forwards it to the "discuss" list.
>>>
>>> I think the original op of this thread wanted to avoid getting bogged
>>> down
>>> in all this and just wanted practical comments on issues arising from
>>&g
from
trying to share with the 90% (or thereabouts, depending on geography) of
computer users that still use MSO. Perhaps just a few pointers on how to
get better results from sharing.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Jay Lozier
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Do You Share ODF Documents With MS O
ising from
> trying to share with the 90% (or thereabouts, depending on geography) of
> computer users that still use MSO. Perhaps just a few pointers on how to
> get better results from sharing.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> From: Jay Lozier
> Subject: Re
Gordon, you're correct, but trying to convince many - especially
businesses - of this logic, can be next to impossible ;-)
For some reason, the training is done on MSFT machines with MSFT
programs and the idea of change is scary even if this change will protect
their machines from t
On 08/08/2012 03:57 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
On 08/08/12 00:11, Steve Morris wrote:
Just my 2 cents worth. Businesses with a heavy investment in office
can't migrate to LO, as LO is not a functional replacement for office
2002,
IMHO that's not true
let alone 2010. A lot of busine
Wed, 8/8/12, Jay Lozier wrote:
From: Jay Lozier
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Do You Share ODF Documents With MS Office
Users?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 8 August, 2012, 3:26
On 08/07/2012 08:24 PM, rob wood wrote:
> >From my experience of working in the IT depar
On 08/08/12 00:11, Steve Morris wrote:
Just my 2 cents worth. Businesses with a heavy investment in office
can't migrate to LO, as LO is not a functional replacement for office
2002,
IMHO that's not true
let alone 2010. A lot of business functionality that is used from day
to day and is
On 08/07/2012 08:24 PM, rob wood wrote:
>From my experience of working in the IT department of a very large college
with over 10 000 computers, it has nothing to do with functionality. 99.9%
of employees use office to type letters and send emails. For the .1% that
would use advanced features, pol
>From my experience of working in the IT department of a very large college
with over 10 000 computers, it has nothing to do with functionality. 99.9%
of employees use office to type letters and send emails. For the .1% that
would use advanced features, policy probably disallows them anyway. Plus,
On 06/08/12 02:31, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
On 08/05/2012 11:24 AM, David B Teague sr wrote:
On 7/24/2012 10:38 AM, Chuck Davis wrote:
To answer your question: Yes, I send *.odf files to others in a
business setting. When they tell me they can't open the file I
instruct them to upgrade t
webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
Why did they need to upgrade their MS licenses to read ODF files? IT
reads that they had old version of MSO, but it would have been nice
for them to use the FREE alternative instead. Besides, was there not
threads about issues with MSO's version of reading and writ
On 08/05/2012 11:24 AM, David B Teague sr wrote:
On 7/24/2012 10:38 AM, Chuck Davis wrote:
To answer your question: Yes, I send *.odf files to others in a
business setting. When they tell me they can't open the file I
instruct them to upgrade their office suite to a more modern version
(i.e. b
On 7/24/2012 10:38 AM, Chuck Davis wrote:
To answer your question: Yes, I send *.odf files to others in a
business setting. When they tell me they can't open the file I
instruct them to upgrade their office suite to a more modern version
(i.e. buy new licenses) or, alternatively, obtain a (free
Me too
Keith Bainbridge
PO Box 324
BELMONT Vic 3216 Australia
+61 (0)408 522 706
keith.bainbridge.3...@gmail.com
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:26:05 +0100 (BST) Tom Davies
wrote:
> Ahh fantastic! It's good to see people starting to make the mistake
> that way around. I catch myself refering to Li
On 25/07/12 20:52, anne-ology wrote:
huh ???
Stock exchange names are not necessarily the same as a trading name -
the normal (non-financial) abbreviation for Microsoft is MS, not MSFT
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On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker
wrote:
On 25/07/12 20:04, anne-ology wrote:
>
>> yes, many do, but most do not;
>> and I do have MSFT [the proper abbreviation for the company]
>> Office '03 [that's 2003].
>>
>>
>>
> I have MS Office 200
On 25/07/12 20:04, anne-ology wrote:
yes, many do, but most do not;
and I do have MSFT [the proper abbreviation for the company]
Office '03 [that's 2003].
I have MS Office 2000, 2003, 2007 and 2010 - but none of those are OPEN
Officeas you posted...
And BTW MSFT is t
ant really have things open in both
> at the same time. QuickStarter uis like having one open all the time (in a
> fairly minimal way but just enough to confuse them)
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
> From: anne-ology
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Do You Share
yes, many do, but most do not;
and I do have MSFT [the proper abbreviation for the company]
Office '03 [that's 2003].
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker
wrote:
On 25/07/12 15:39, anne-ology wrote:
>
>> Since most people don't use OO/LO,
>>
> Many p
hings open in both at
the same time. QuickStarter uis like having one open all the time (in a fairly
minimal way but just enough to confuse them)
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Wed, 25/7/12, anne-ology wrote:
From: anne-ology
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Do You Share ODF Documents With MS O
;))
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Wed, 25/7/12, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
From: Gordon Burgess-Parker
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Do You Share ODF Documents With MS Office
Users?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 25 July, 2012, 16:01
On 25/07/12 15:39, anne-ology wrote
On 25/07/12 15:39, anne-ology wrote:
Since most people don't use OO/LO,
Many people DO use OO/LO - and it's increasing. Particularly with the
complexity of each new version of MS Office
still using
MSFT Open Office '03
Is that a typo or did you deliberately write that? (The
I agree with what you're saying; and would like to add what must be
happening in the schools here in the U.S. -
for some reason kids are coming out of school thinking that
MSFT is the only reliable system; & believing that only MSFT will protect
their machines from hackers. As w
Since most people don't use OO/LO, I've converted documents as well
as PPs to MSFT's Office -
while with OO, many times, there was garbage in the documents
and missing bits in the PPs;
I have not noticed this since changing to LO.
One reason I'm hesitant to upgr
t: Re: [libreoffice-users] Do You Share ODF Documents With MS Office
Users?
On 24/07/12 15:38, Chuck Davis wrote:
> Cost them some money for new licenses but they upgraded their MS licenses
> to read my
> files.
>
You need to be aware that MS Office 2010, while it will read ods files,
s
On 24/07/12 15:38, Chuck Davis wrote:
Cost them some money for new licenses but they upgraded their MS licenses to
read my
files.
You need to be aware that MS Office 2010, while it will read ods files,
strips out ALL the formulae - just leaving the last value. Yeah, sure,
MS Office "reads
Thanks Chuck! That's pretty helpful.
Thanks to the others as well. Again, my focus is more on whether and how
people share their documents than on the intricacies of advocacy. :-)
Regards,
Don
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Chuck Davis wrote:
> To answer your question: Yes, I send *.odf
To answer your question: Yes, I send *.odf files to others in a
business setting. When they tell me they can't open the file I
instruct them to upgrade their office suite to a more modern version
(i.e. buy new licenses) or, alternatively, obtain a (free) copy of
OOo. I told our accounting firm i
On 07/24/2012 05:06 AM, Anthony Easthope wrote:
I have a comment on the error dialogue.
I once got into a heated debate with my ICT teacher earlier on this year
and in the debate the comment was made by her that: "Microsoft with that
error dialogue are really just trying to insinuate that their p
2012/7/24 Anthony Easthope :
> I have a comment on the error dialogue.
> I once got into a heated debate with my ICT teacher earlier on this year
> and in the debate the comment was made by her that: "Microsoft with that
> error dialogue are really just trying to insinuate that their products
> are
I have a comment on the error dialogue.
I once got into a heated debate with my ICT teacher earlier on this year
and in the debate the comment was made by her that: "Microsoft with that
error dialogue are really just trying to insinuate that their products
are superior to others"
I in a way kind o
I don't qualify for your use case. I use both ODF and OOXML and I use
LibreOffice, Microsoft Office, and Apache OpenOffice (as well as some old
OpenOffice.org versions). But my purpose is exploring interoperability
available via the standardized formats.
However, I can explain some of what yo
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