Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:34 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Andreas' idea should be written up as an IdeaLab project, or research grant proposal, etc. Thanks. For those interested in getting involved, I've added it on IdeaLab:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

2015-03-19 Thread
On 19 March 2015 at 14:55, Oliver Keyes ironho...@gmail.com wrote: We have a vested interest, as a community, in having as diverse a group of people behind our content as possible, because we have a diverse group of readers. People who can't afford a lunch out whenever they want is a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

2015-03-19 Thread Oliver Keyes
On the low or zero-cost element, the one bit I'd question is 'editathons work well when attendees can buy their own food or attend a social where they pay their own costs'. This is certainly convenient for the chapter/volunteers/delete as applicable, but I don't think we should have it as an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

2015-03-19 Thread
On 19 March 2015 at 14:33, Oliver Keyes ironho...@gmail.com wrote: ... expectations. So, yes, editathons work well when attendees pay their own way - but they work /best/ when they don't. I believe there is no verifiable evidence that editathons work best when attendees have all their costs

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

2015-03-19 Thread Pharos
I can attest that there are indeed many cases where $50 or $75 in bus or gas money can make a big difference for volunteers, even in the United States. There is long way between intercontinental plane tickets and offering no financial assistance at all. Thanks, Pharos On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

2015-03-19 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-03-19 08:19 AM, Fæ wrote: after that it started to become impossible to organize an editathon without first having an employee agreeing it That seems... wrong. For one, that experience may be WMUK's but it's certainly far from universal. WMCA organizes monthly editathons in Montréal,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

2015-03-19 Thread Oliver Keyes
We have a vested interest, as a community, in having as diverse a group of people behind our content as possible, because we have a diverse group of readers. People who can't afford a lunch out whenever they want is a demographic: a big one, depending on the country in question. Coming up with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

2015-03-19 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:16 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: when ticketed, this is usually to control numbers when space is limited. This model works pretty well and makes them popular events; indeed, they're one of our most visible public activities. I don't see where the benefit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

2015-03-19 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:16 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: when ticketed, this is usually to control numbers when space is limited. This model works pretty well and makes them popular events; indeed, they're one of our most visible public activities. I don't see where the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

2015-03-15 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Hi there, On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 11:33 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Keegan Peterzell wrote: Single-user login[1] finalization will be taking place next month.[2] [...] All accounts that will be affected by this will be contacted on their talk page within the next couple of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

2015-03-06 Thread Tanweer Morshed
BabuG has made remarkable contribution to the Malayalam Wikipedia. Heartfelt condolences for his family, friends and the Malayalam Wikipedia community. Regards, Tanweer Wikimedia Bangladesh On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 12:08 AM, Siko Bouterse sboute...@wikimedia.org wrote: Viswa, thank you for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

2015-03-09 Thread Victor Grigas
My condolences to BabuG's family. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Josh Lim jamesjoshua...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Viswa, Thank you for this stirring tribute. Wikimedia Philippines and the Filipino Wikimedia community would like to share its deepest condolences and we hope that his family will

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015 - Registration closes in one week!

2015-03-09 Thread Daniela Gentner
Dear Wikimedians, You have not yet registered for the Wikimedia Conference 2015 in Berlin? You want to shape the future of the Wikimedia movement? You want to meet, exchange and mingle with other movement enthusiasts from around the world? Then please be kindly reminded to register until Monday,

[Wikimedia-l] (Announcement) CIS-A2K Program Director Transition

2015-03-09 Thread Subhashish Panigrahi
Dear Wikimedians, This is to bring to your notice the proposed change in leadership of the CIS-A2K Program. The current Program Director, T. Vishnu Vardhan will be transitioning by June 2015, due to health and personal concerns. As many of you know, Vishnu has led the A2K Programme since

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimédia France travel policy Learning patterns

2015-03-09 Thread Szymon Grabarczuk
WMPL rocks! Maybe it's time to translate it to English :p On 9 March 2015 at 12:22, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: We have created such a policy several years ago: https://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Rozliczenie_koszt%C3%B3w_wyjazdu :-) -- *Szymon Grabarczuk* Free Knowledge Advocacy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimédia France travel policy Learning patterns

2015-03-09 Thread Asaf Bartov
Thank you for sharing these! I'm sure they would be quite useful for other groups. A. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 4:22 AM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: We have created such a policy several years ago: https://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Rozliczenie_koszt%C3%B3w_wyjazdu :-)

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimédia France travel policy Learning patterns

2015-03-09 Thread Emeric Vallespi
Dear movement fellows, After our Board handbook, we are pleased to share with you the Wikimédia France Travel policy (this time, in French and English!): (en) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/Politique_de_voyage/en (fr)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I applaud this action. Great. The next step is making it not so easy for the NSA to harvest their ill gotten gains. We could and should share our data from cache servers that are much closer to our users ie outside the USA. The benefit would not be so much in frustrating the NSA but more in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread Comet styles
for an organization taking on the NSA for spying..why are we using https? doesn't that show that we are already scared of them and running with our tail between our legs? On 3/10/15, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl wrote: this sounds exactly as a thing we, as a movement, need institutional

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
this sounds exactly as a thing we, as a movement, need institutional support of WMF for. Thanks for doing that. dariusz pundit On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Michelle Paulson mpaul...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi All, I’m writing to let you know that today the Wikimedia Foundation[1] is filing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimédia France travel policy Learning patterns

2015-03-10 Thread Josh Lim
This is great, Emeric! We’d be glad to take a look at this. :) For our part, Wikimedia Philippines has a travel policy as part of our Expense Policy, and it’s been working well for us for the last 3-4 years now. We’ll be glad to share our policy as well.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread Amir Ladsgroup
I created draft of the article about the case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Wikimedia_v._NSAin English Wikipedia. I'm not sure it's not too soon to move this draft to the main namespace. Please add content and then move it to main ns when you think it's ready. Best On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread Johan Jönsson
2015-03-10 13:26 GMT+01:00 Comet styles cometsty...@gmail.com: for an organization taking on the NSA for spying..why are we using https? doesn't that show that we are already scared of them and running with our tail between our legs? (For non-technical readers: the HTTP protocol is the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimédia France travel policy Learning patterns

2015-03-10 Thread Richard Symonds
Not with WMUK. most of our reimbursements are travel-related, but they fall under the expense policy as the others do. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread വിശ്വപ്രഭ
Greatly done! This is not just news. It is a mark that will be recorded in bold letters in the history of human's quest for knowledge. -user:ViswaPrabha https://ml.wikipedia.org On 10 March 2015 at 18:15, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: https is generaly increasing privacy of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
https is generaly increasing privacy of the users. http can be listen by anyone. It is like using walkie-talkie - anyone with radio-scanner can listen :-) 2015-03-10 13:26 GMT+01:00 Comet styles cometsty...@gmail.com: for an organization taking on the NSA for spying..why are we using

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-12 Thread Anders Wennersten
Personally I am not convinced this is an optimal action in order for us to reach our goals, mission and vision. To attack the Intellectual property laws would be more spot on and this action can put our image/brand at risk (but also strengthen it). From a tactical viewpoint, I personally have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 25M files on Commons

2015-03-12 Thread Pine W
Excellent. I think that the Commons 25 million files milestone calls for a post in the Wikimedia Blog and/or the Signpost. Pine On Mar 12, 2015 12:47 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: Dear all, I am not sure why it so far got little publicity, but yesterday the 25 millionth

[Wikimedia-l] 25M files on Commons

2015-03-12 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
Dear all, I am not sure why it so far got little publicity, but yesterday the 25 millionth file was uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. The image itself is a cityscape, a depiction of the courtyard of the Mevlid-i Halil Mosque, Şanlıurfa, Turkey

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-11 Thread Andrew Bogott
On 3/11/15 12:03 AM, MZMcBride wrote: snip But more to the point: even if by some miracle, this case were resolved in 2015 with a very explicit federal court order instructing the National Security Agency to cease mass surveillance, is there anyone who believes that this will end mass

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-12 Thread Robert Rohde
I agree that it is good for someone to stand up to the NSA, though I am also very sympathetic to the point that taking legal action may require the WMF to devote considerable time and money to this project, and distract from other goals. Perhaps the ACLU and the other plaintiffs are going to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

2015-03-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Dear Viswa, Thank you for letting us know, and for writing such a beautiful text in memory of your friend. Please send my condolences to his son. Much love, Andreas On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:07 PM, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) vp2...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Wikimedians all over the world, One of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

2015-03-05 Thread Katy Love
Thank you for this tribute and for sharing more about BabuG. I appreciated the chance to learn about him, how he came to Wikipedia, and the depth of his experience on the sites. His story inspires me. My condolences and sympathies are with you, BabuG's family, and the Malayalam community on this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

2015-03-06 Thread Cristian Consonni
Dear Viswa, I am sorry for this loss that the Malayalam is experiencing. Please transmit my condoleances to his family and friends if you have the occasion to do so. 2015-03-05 16:07 GMT+01:00 ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) vp2...@gmail.com: Yet, we feel, BabuG has made his life stamped immortal for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

2015-03-06 Thread Anna Koval
3 Thank you, Viswa, for posting this tribute and sharing this eulogy. My heartfelt condolences to his wife Jagadamma, to his family, and to his wiki community. May his repose be blessed. May his memory be eternal. [1] Anna [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_Eternal_%28chant%29 --

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 11, Issue 9 -- 04 March 2015

2015-03-05 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
From the editor: A sign of the times—the ''Signpost'' revamps its internal structure to make contributing easier http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-03-04/From_the_editor Editorial: Conspiracy theories distract from real questions about grantmaking report

[Wikimedia-l] 360º panorama/photosphere in Wikimedia Commons

2015-03-06 Thread Nasir Khan
Hi, I am interested to know if there is a way to store the 360º panorama (photosphere) photos in Wikimedia Commons. If it is possible to upload, please send me the doc link. If there is no way to upload such images, can you please let me know, is there any plan for this or not? -- *Nasir Khan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

2015-03-06 Thread Siko Bouterse
Viswa, thank you for writing this lovely message and sharing the story of BabuG. His memory and edits will live on. Deepest condolences to the Malayalam community. Siko On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 4:31 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi subhash...@cis-india.org wrote: Dear Viswa and the Malayalam Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 360º panorama/photosphere in Wikimedia Commons

2015-03-06 Thread Jan Ainali
It certainly seem possible to upload 360 panoramics: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:360_panoramics Just use the regular upload wizard at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard Or are you using some special file format, and if so, which? *Med vänliga

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Steven Walling
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 7:00 AM Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Steven Walling has written an interesting answer on Quora about one aspect of the New York Times op-ed, i.e. the threat NSA surveillance supposedly poses to Wikipedians living under oppressive regimes:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Pine W
I'm generally supportive of this legal action, but I am troubled by this statement: I trust our legal team to make decisions about what legal actions to participate in. In general I think highly of Michelle, but this statement fits a long-running pattern I percieve in WMF governance of the board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread James Alexander
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm generally supportive of this legal action, but I am troubled by this statement: I trust our legal team to make decisions about what legal actions to participate in. In general I think highly of Michelle, but this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Pine W
Oliver, I have thought about running more than once (: Perhaps I am reading more into that comment than was intended. James, I have mixed feelings about having discussions behind closed doors. Sometimes it's convenient or emotionally easier to do so, but I worry about losing our value of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

2015-03-13 Thread Samuel Klein
Keegan: thank you, great news.SJ On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, Single-user login[1] finalization will be taking place next month.[2] I know this has been said before over the past two years, but it is actually going to take

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

2015-03-13 Thread Pine W
Excellent, thank you Keegan and all who have worked on this. Pine On Mar 13, 2015 1:07 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, Single-user login[1] finalization will be taking place next month.[2] I know this has been said before over the past two years, but it is

[Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

2015-03-13 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Hi all, Single-user login[1] finalization will be taking place next month.[2] I know this has been said before over the past two years, but it is actually going to take place after nearly a decade of waiting :) I just posted an important announcement about the renaming process itself on Meta.[3]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Oliver Keyes
(Personal capacity) Pine: I think you're reading far more into Phoebe's comment than it actually contained. What she said was I trust our legal team to make decisions about what legal actions to participate in. In other words, to make evaluations about the probability of success, the necessity of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Pine W
Pardon the mobile device mistype. A *move* toward more openness. Pine On Mar 13, 2015 12:49 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Oliver, I have thought about running more than once (: Perhaps I am reading more into that comment than was intended. James, I have mixed feelings about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

2015-03-13 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks very much for keeping us up to date, Keegan. When I look at the Special:UsersWhoWillBeRenamed on enwiki, I note a large number of accounts whose registration date is listed as today, even though I realise that's not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

2015-03-13 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote: 5. for example, https://vo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patikos:UsersWhoWillBeRenamedHmm That should be https://vo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patikos:UsersWhoWillBeRenamed It does make you go hmm though. -- Keegan Peterzell

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Cristian Consonni
2015-03-13 10:36 GMT+01:00 Edward Saperia edsape...@gmail.com: Education is apolitical. I beg to differ. Me too. «Growing up, you know, I slowly had this process realizing that all the things around me that people had told me were just the natural way of things were, or the way things would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread David Gerard
On 13 March 2015 at 19:04, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: In general I think highly of Michelle, but this statement fits a long-running pattern I percieve in WMF governance of the board being deferential to the ED and staff. This goes back to Sue's tenure and possibly longer. I feel that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm generally supportive of this legal action, but I am troubled by this statement: I trust our legal team to make decisions about what legal actions to participate in. ...WMF needs an activist board. All of the guidance

[Wikimedia-l] Board transparency (thread fork)

2015-03-14 Thread Pine W
Hi Bishakha, Pardon my forking the thread here. I have previously asked about having more transparency and openness for WMF Board meetings. From my skimming of Board minutes, it's difficult to perceive what level of diligence is being done by the Board. I realize that corporate notetaking

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Pine W
Hmm. It's more like we have little evidence that the former is happening, perhaps because of the latter. Anyway, yes, I think I've made my point and will let this thread get back on its main track. Pine On Mar 13, 2015 5:43 PM, Oliver Keyes ironho...@gmail.com wrote: So we've now moved from the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Oliver Keyes
So we've now moved from the board doesn't ask hard enough questions! to the board doesn't tell us enough? Those are distinct concerns. If you have them, I'd suggest spinning off a thread so we can keep this one to what it's meant to be discussing. On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Pine W

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-11 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Let's hope so. A key point is that the extraordinary overreach of this surveillance affects everyone. I am absolutely delighted that the Wikimedia Foundation has taken this courageous step - precisely because

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread Ivan Martínez
That's great! Pending for translation. 2015-03-10 10:21 GMT-06:00 Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com: There's a relevant research project outlined on Meta, about HTTPS: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_referrer_policy Here's the nutshell description: Since we started

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimédia France travel policy Learning patterns

2015-03-10 Thread Jean-Frédéric
Since so many movement entities have some take on this document, I have started listing them at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Travel_Policy Feel free to expand. :-) -- Jean-Frédéric jean-frederic.berthe...@wikimedia.fr ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread Samuel Klein
Michelle and Geoff - thank you. This is a big step; I am glad that WMF can help move this case forward. Chris Keating writes: I'm not American, but the other co-plaintiffs seem to be civil rights / human rights organisations who are firmly at the left-wing/progressive end of US politics, some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread Andrew Lih
Probably a good time for everyone to know about EFF's HTTPS Everywhere: HTTPS Everywhere is a Firefox, Chrome, and Opera extension that encrypts your communications with many major websites, making your browsing more secure. Encrypt the web: Install HTTPS Everywhere today.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread Gregory Varnum
Kudos to the Legal Team on this important case! -greg aka varnent On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 9:01 AM, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) vp2...@gmail.com wrote: Greatly done! This is not just news. It is a mark that will be recorded in bold letters in the history of human's quest for knowledge.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread Pete Forsyth
There's a relevant research project outlined on Meta, about HTTPS: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_referrer_policy Here's the nutshell description: Since we started switching to HTTPS and an increasing portion of inbound traffic happens over SSL, Wikimedia sites stopped

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (Announcement) CIS-A2K Program Director Transition

2015-03-11 Thread Arjuna Rao Chavala
Hi, Thanks Subhashish for the update. Thank you Vishnu, for your leadership of CIS-A2K team over the past two years in growing the Wikipedia movement across India in various languages. It is not an easy job to work in the open wikimedia movement as a staff member of NGO funded by Foundation.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-11 Thread geni
On 11 March 2015 at 08:37, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, The fact that law suits like this actually happen is a wonderful improvement in and of itself. Our aim is to freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Free has many meaning, one of them is free to share without

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Sigh ... being spied upon by the AIVD is not fine. However, they have a duty to Dutch people and the argument that the NSA is benign to US-Americans equally applies to the AIVD. We do serve Wikimedia content from Amsterdam. The notion that the AIVD is incompetent is based on what ? It is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread Chris Keating
Curious question, by the way: how controversial would you expect this move to be domestically? From e.g. a Swedish perspective, the NSA is an intelligence agency of a foreign power and the other mentioned organizations are either largely uncontroversial and seen in a positive light (Amnesty,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread James Alexander
Aye, I also only have anecdotal evidince at this point (from my father who has been messaging me and myself) but the comments I've seen in the american press have been 10:1 (higher on tech sites) with generally more thoughtful comments then usual and where there are critiques they are not bad

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Data privacy, encrypted links and recent change captures

2015-03-10 Thread Brion Vibber
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:15 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Could we have an update on what is being done over the last year to protect the privacy of user data sent between datacenters? Someone in ops could add more detail on the actual work in progress, but you can watch

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not American, but the other co-plaintiffs seem to be civil rights / human rights organisations who are firmly at the left-wing/progressive end of US politics I am an American, and I'm not so sure about that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread David Gerard
It's difficult to overstate how much people love us. We tell them everything about everything, and we're mostly right and try to stay neutral. But it's all written by just people! So it's cosy as well. With SOPA, we discovered that: when Wikipedia says you suck, you *suck*. So I'd expect that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Data privacy, encrypted links and recent change captures

2015-03-10 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On 01/01/2014 9:11 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: John Vandenberg, 30/12/2013 08:10: Are the Wikimedia transit links encrypted, especially for database replication? MySQL has replication over SSL, so I assume the answer is Yes. If not, is this necessary or useful, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread Johan Jönsson
2015-03-10 8:53 GMT+01:00 Michelle Paulson mpaul...@wikimedia.org: Hi All, I’m writing to let you know that today the Wikimedia Foundation[1] is filing suit against the National Security Agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency, the Department of Justice

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The fact that law suits like this actually happen is a wonderful improvement in and of itself. Our aim is to freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Free has many meaning, one of them is free to share without consequences.It is not only about free of cost.In the past we implemented https

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-11 Thread Josh Lim
Thanks for the news, Michelle, and good luck to the Legal team as this case moves forward. :) That being said, I am concerned that the Foundation seems to give unequal airtime to U.S.-specific issues, while not really doing much about similar issues in other parts of the world. Much of my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Please read this article by the Volkskrant (in the translation of your tools) and you see that a review by a judge can be extremely useful. It also shows that organisations like the NSA can and do lose.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-12 Thread James Alexander
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:12 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: A page on Meta-Wiki collecting information about this lawsuit might be nice to have. When we were rolling out I put the FAQ at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_v._National_Security_Agency/FAQ for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-12 Thread MZMcBride
phoebe ayers wrote: As for cost, remember that the ACLU is filing the suit on the plaintiffs' (us) behalf. My understanding is our major investment here is coordination time and our good name. The fact that the Wikimedia Foundation is being used as a convenient vehicle makes me feel a bit more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-12 Thread MZMcBride
In answers to questions on Quora, Jimmy Wales responded to some of the points from my earlier mailing list reply. (I didn't post any questions, including the questions linked below, to Quora.) A page on Meta-Wiki collecting information about this lawsuit might be nice to have. MZMcBride wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patrolling photographs of living people

2015-03-13 Thread Strainu
2015-03-12 20:50 GMT+02:00 Fæ fae...@gmail.com: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:BLP_overwrites A quick reminder about this report which helps vandalism patrollers for the English Wikipedia spot when images used in Wikipedia biographies are being overwritten by newbie accounts. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patrolling photographs of living people

2015-03-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 13 March 2015 at 09:06, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: Fae, you are aware that this is NOT the list for en.wp, right? Perhaps you missed the part of Fae's email which read: If there are other Wikipedias that may benefit from a similar report, please drop me a note on Commons or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patrolling photographs of living people

2015-03-13 Thread
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:BLP_overwrites It was chance that the English Wikipedia was the first noticeable target of a revenge porn attack. The serious concern about potential public impact started me looking at how to build a report to help address the problem of image overwrites

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Edward Saperia
Education is apolitical. I beg to differ. Saying that Wikipedia is apolitical is like saying democracy is apolitical. Control of information is at the heart of politics, and the knowledge that people have access to profoundly changes the way that they interact with society over their

[Wikimedia-l] Understanding and building digital democracy

2015-03-13 Thread Stevie Benton
Hello everyone, Apologies for cross posting. Wikimedia UK, along with the Open Coalition http://open-coalition.org/ and Demos http://www.demos.co.uk/, are developing a project called From ticks to clicks - understanding and building digital democracy. We have just made a proposal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patrolling photographs of living people

2015-03-13 Thread Strainu
I think we can agree to disagree - I don't want to clutter other people's inboxes even more. Still, I'll hold you to this PoV next time I'll feel the need to constantly remember other people about my initiatives. Best regards, Strainu 2015-03-13 15:30 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Kim Bruning
I think that making us not-a-source-of-referred-traffic might be a good thing. (It disincentivises those who should be disincentivised, while not harming anyone else) sincerely, Kim Bruning On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 09:21:57AM -0700, Pete Forsyth wrote: There's a relevant research

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patrolling photographs of living people

2015-03-13 Thread Strainu
2015-03-13 11:56 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: On 13 March 2015 at 09:06, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: Fae, you are aware that this is NOT the list for en.wp, right? Perhaps you missed the part of Fae's email which read: I did not. The place for such announcements

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Steven Walling has written an interesting answer on Quora about one aspect of the New York Times op-ed, i.e. the threat NSA surveillance supposedly poses to Wikipedians living under oppressive regimes:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patrolling photographs of living people

2015-03-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 13 March 2015 at 11:36, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure Fae will appreciate your apology. There is nothing to apologize for. There is a place for such announcements, and wikimedia-l is not that. ORly? From: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l quote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 5:03 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: How does the Wikimedia Foundation intend to protect the rights of users around the world when it will have a nearly impossible time of protecting Americans, much less non-Americans? U.S. courts and the U.S. Congress have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patrolling photographs of living people

2015-03-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 13 March 2015 at 14:32, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: I'll hold you to this PoV next time I'll feel the need to constantly remember other people about my initiatives. constantly? How many times has Fae made such posts in, say, the last three months? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patrolling photographs of living people

2015-03-13 Thread Thyge
No more, please. If needed, start a thread to discuss the scope of wikimedia-l. Regards, Thyge 2015-03-13 16:57 GMT+01:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: On 13 March 2015 at 14:32, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: I'll hold you to this PoV next time I'll feel the need to

[Wikimedia-l] Patrolling photographs of living people

2015-03-12 Thread
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:BLP_overwrites A quick reminder about this report which helps vandalism patrollers for the English Wikipedia spot when images used in Wikipedia biographies are being overwritten by newbie accounts. I recommend more admins add the report to their

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost – Volume 11, Issue 10 – 11 March 2015

2015-03-12 Thread Rob
The Signpost – Volume 11, Issue 10 – 11 March 2015 Special report: An advance look at the WMF's fundraising survey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-03-11/Special_report In focus: WMF to NSA: stop spying on Wikipedia users

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimédia France travel policy Learning patterns

2015-03-10 Thread Michael Maggs
If anyone wants to compare and contrast, you can find WMUK's expenses policy (covering travel and other expenses) here: https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Expense_policy Best regards Michael Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK Emeric Vallespi mailto:emeric.valle...@wikimedia.fr 9

[Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread Michelle Paulson
Hi All, I’m writing to let you know that today the Wikimedia Foundation[1] is filing suit against the National Security Agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency, the Department of Justice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice, and the U.S. Attorney

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

2015-03-05 Thread Jeevan Jose
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Eduardo Testart etest...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I was thinking, it is possible to create some sort of hall of fame from/for Wikipedia? It would be nice that stories like this one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread Raymond Leonard
In the U.S., there is also a strong minority contingent of Libertarians, who tend to be on the right-wing/conservative part of the political spectrum. These are natural allies for both privacy governmental non-intrunsion. I think that they would welcome WMF joining this legal action. Yours,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread Yann Forget
Hi, Wow! I am proud to be a volunteer working with an organisation daring to take such steps. I hope that this will bring concrete results. Best regards, Yann 2015-03-10 8:53 GMT+01:00 Michelle Paulson mpaul...@wikimedia.org: Hi All, I’m writing to let you know that today the Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-10 Thread Michael Maggs
Thank you for taking this action. All the best, Michael Michelle Paulson mailto:mpaul...@wikimedia.org 10 March 2015 07:53 Hi All, I’m writing to let you know that today the Wikimedia Foundation[1] is filing suit against the National Security Agency

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