Re: [zfs-discuss] Understanding ZFS replication

2009-01-18 Thread JZ
Beloved Tim, You challenged me a while ago, as a friend. I did what you asked me to do, in the honor of my father. Best, z - Original Message - From: JZ To: Tim Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Understanding ZFS replication

2009-01-18 Thread JZ
and that's why I hated blogs! do you know what to read that is not misleading, in a sea of blogs and you are wondering why western folks don't like us?! > 言语之中引出的生死恩怨太多了 Best, z - Original Message - From: Tim To: Richard Elling Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-18 Thread JZ
Thank you Lord, for the sunny day today! 安! z方天化戟 [read the three-kingdoms story and you will understand] - Original Message - From: "JZ" To: "Toby Thain" ; Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject) > Hi Folks, >

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-18 Thread JZ
Hi Folks, Sorry if this is again not relevant to the list discussion. Maybe I am too sensitive, maybe I am just crazy. But things I see around me today just make me wonder if I should do one more post. [and again, I will leave the conclusion to the mail server] I live in the U.S. My family

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-18 Thread JZ
Yes, James, I will desist, if you insist. Not a big deal. Best, z - Original Message - From: "James C. McPherson" To: "JZ" Cc: "ZFS Discussions" Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject) > On Sun, 18 Ja

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-18 Thread JZ
Obama just made a good speech. I hope you were watching TV... Best, z ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] replace same sized disk fails with too small error

2009-01-18 Thread JZ
Yes, I agree, command interface is more efficient and more risky than GUI. You will have to be very careful when doing that. Best, z - Original Message - From: "Al Tobey" To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] replace same sized disk fails with too small

Re: [zfs-discuss] replace same sized disk fails with too small error

2009-01-18 Thread JZ
Hi Bob, Will, Tim, I also had some off-list comments on my irrelevant comments. So I will try to make this post less irrelevant, though my thoughts on this topic may be off the list discussion line of thoughts, as usual. >From the major storage vendors I know, network storage systems as integrate

Re: [zfs-discuss] replace same sized disk fails with too small error

2009-01-18 Thread JZ
meh - Original Message - From: "Antonius" To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] replace same sized disk fails with too small error > If so what should I do to remedy that? just reformat it? > -- > This message posted from opensolaris.org > __

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-18 Thread JZ
[this part you may not understand] In the three-kingdoms days, 周瑜 could not believe he said west-wind, and 诸葛 said east-wind, but the sky gave east-wind. 周瑜 was so confused, he died. Today, I am not confused, with the snow, I will live. ;-) Best, z - Original Message - From: &qu

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-18 Thread JZ
I see snow outside. Maybe we don't have early Sun light in the morning, but now is about morning. In my china view (瑞雪兆丰年), and the Xmas view, snow is a very good thing to have on this Sunday morning. I am happy, the sky did not let me down! Best, z - Original Message - From

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-18 Thread JZ
[oh, my Lord, I hope it will be a sunny day] 武士道 Best, z - Original Message - From: "JZ" To: "ZFS Discussions" Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:02 AM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject) > [sorry, baby don't try!] > > > > > >

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-18 Thread JZ
[sorry, baby don't try!] Best, z - Original Message - From: "JZ" To: "ZFS Discussions" Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:17 AM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject) > [OMG, you U.S. musicians, wanna do this all the way? Ok, granted.] > > M

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-18 Thread JZ
[OMG, you U.S. musicians, wanna do this all the way? Ok, granted.] My dearest aunt is a lesbian! I love my aunt! [mail server, what do you say?] Best, z - Original Message - From: "JZ" To: "ZFS Discussions" Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 2:08 AM Subject: R

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-17 Thread JZ
on Sunday and say, thank God for Sunday. [TGIF is nothing wrong either.] Best, z [sent at 2:08AM NYC time] - Original Message - From: "JZ" To: "ZFS Discussions" Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject) > [almo

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-17 Thread JZ
: "JZ" To: "ZFS Discussions" Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject) > [I thought this post would be related to ZFS list discussion, again, the > mail server will conclude. Sound is always more misleading than text. > ;-)

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-17 Thread JZ
[I thought this post would be related to ZFS list discussion, again, the mail server will conclude. Sound is always more misleading than text. ;-) ] I hope folks are not speaking because: It's Saturday night! http://www.excelsioritsolutions.com/jzguest/music/english/Planet%20Soul/En

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS?

2009-01-17 Thread JZ
[Just do not want to be misleading] I think there is one aspect of the Zhou style is heavily misleading. And that is how do we deal with ladies. Personally, I have my opinions about ladies being open and career-minded, but those are not important. What is important, would be how should we deal

Re: [zfs-discuss] Aggregate Pool I/O

2009-01-17 Thread JZ
Please allow me to contribute some to this question, since this relates to the protocol question years ago that I could not give an answer in a few seconds. [and I still cannot do that today -- no need, I insist.] File I/O and block I/O is very different. While block I/O measurements could be

Re: [zfs-discuss] a Min Wang person emailed me for free knowledge

2009-01-17 Thread JZ
sorry. Best, z - Original Message - From: "JZ" To: "A Darren Dunham" ; Cc: ; "Marvin Wang, Min" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] a Min Wang person emailed me for free knowledge ok, you open folks are really 求知若渴

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-16 Thread JZ
BTW, ASANTE MAPENZI :-) Best, z - Original Message - From: "JZ" To: "ZFS Discussions" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject) ¡Gracias muy, mucho! para amor Respetuoso Best, z ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-16 Thread JZ
¡Gracias muy, mucho! para amor Respetuoso Best, z ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] 4 disk raidz1 with 3 disks...

2009-01-16 Thread JZ
Hi Rich, This is the best summary I have seen. [china folks say, older ginger more satisfying, true] Just one thing I would like to add - It also depends on the encryption technique and algorism. Today we are doing private key encryption that without the key, you cannot read the data. Som

Re: [zfs-discuss] 4 disk raidz1 with 3 disks...

2009-01-16 Thread JZ
Hi Wes, I now have a real question. How do you define "silly", and "artificial intelligence", and "script"? And "halfway inclined to believe" to me means 25%. (believe is 100%, inclined is 50%, and halfway is 25% in crystal math, and maybe even less in storage math, including the RAID and HA and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Verbose Information from "zfs send -v "

2009-01-16 Thread JZ
meh - Original Message - From: "Nick Smith" To: Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:28 AM Subject: [zfs-discuss] Verbose Information from "zfs send -v " > What 'verbose information' is reported by the "zfs send -v " > contain? > > Also on Solaris 10u6 I don't get any output at all -

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-16 Thread JZ
[no one speaking? want my spam?] Ok, folks, I don't know how open is this now. I turned on some public music, the songs are very healthy today. I guess whatever I say now would be misleading, so, here is a joke. Zhou will always end something with happy - I told some bullshit, not lie,

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-15 Thread JZ
Sorry, open folks, please, chatting on. This is why my help cannot be provided very often. Because the Zhou style of fighting is that – Yes, if we have to step into the battle field, a Zhou will walk in front of the real troops, and say, kill me, if you dare, and I am so sure with my life on

Re: [zfs-discuss] 4 disk raidz1 with 3 disks...

2009-01-15 Thread JZ
Thank you! ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] 4 disk raidz1 with 3 disks...

2009-01-15 Thread JZ
ill not be open. Please, open folks, are you going to help Jonny or what? Best, z - Original Message - From: "JZ" To: "James C. McPherson" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] 4 disk raidz1 with 3 disks... > Hi James, > I h

Re: [zfs-discuss] 4 disk raidz1 with 3 disks...

2009-01-15 Thread JZ
that may not be open? best, z - Original Message - From: "James C. McPherson" To: "JZ" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] 4 disk raidz1 with 3 disks... > > Hello JZ, > I fail to see what your email has to do with

Re: [zfs-discuss] 4 disk raidz1 with 3 disks...

2009-01-15 Thread JZ
n there is a day you can break daddy's pride, you won't want to, I am sure. ;-) [if you want a solution, ask Orvar, I would guess he thinks on his own now, not baby no more, teen now...] best, z - Original Message - From: "Jonny Gerold" To: "JZ" S

Re: [zfs-discuss] 4 disk raidz1 with 3 disks...

2009-01-15 Thread JZ
Hi Jonny, So far there is no Sun comments here or at the blog site, I guess your approach is good by the Sun folks. I also noticed that the blog hit today is only 5. If, I tell my folks to visit the blog often, can they also do chinese? most of them are doing blogging in chinese, not english tod

Re: [zfs-discuss] a Min Wang person emailed me for free knowledge

2009-01-15 Thread JZ
through. best, z - Original Message - From: "Kees Nuyt" To: Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] a Min Wang person emailed me for free knowledge > On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:40:19 -0500, "JZ" > wrote: > >>ok, you open fol

Re: [zfs-discuss] Swap ZFS pool disks to another host hardware

2009-01-15 Thread JZ
Thank you! This is now real open storage discussion! really goodnight now cheers, z - Original Message - From: "Tomas Ögren" To: "JZ" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Swap ZFS pool disks to another host hardware On 15 Jan

Re: [zfs-discuss] Swap ZFS pool disks to another host hardware

2009-01-15 Thread JZ
[OMG, sorry, I cannot resist] Hi Nikhi, so you were playing? another Zhou thing is that - we like playful chic goodnight z - Original Message - From: Nikhil To: Sanjeev Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] S

Re: [zfs-discuss] Swap ZFS pool disks to another host hardware

2009-01-15 Thread JZ
beer and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi enlightening? fulfilling? best, z - Original Message - From: JZ To: Nikhil ; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Cc: yunlai...@hotmail.com ; guo_r...@hotmail.com ; "??? ??" ; Lu Bin ; liaohelen ; Liao, Jane ;

Re: [zfs-discuss] Swap ZFS pool disks to another host hardware

2009-01-15 Thread JZ
[still only me speaking? ok, more spam for whoever out there confused...] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer if you are lazy to read through Sake... best, z - Original Message - From: JZ To: Nikhil ; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:18 AM

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-15 Thread JZ
Another Zhou approach is that - when there is a fight that needs to be fought, a Zhou will fight that fight, and walking into the battlefield in front of the troops - kind of like the western way of doing fighting in the earlier days best, z ___ zfs-

Re: [zfs-discuss] Swap ZFS pool disks to another host hardware

2009-01-15 Thread JZ
[Sun folks are not working?] Hi Nikhi, doing IT so late at this hour? I had an email that also got blocked by the mail server. that one talked about metadata too, which might be satisfying, with some worm sake... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sake The first alcoholic drink in Japan may have been

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-15 Thread JZ
answers should post some help then? Best, z - Original Message - From: "JZ" To: "David Shirley" ; Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject) > Ok, it's also important, in many many cases, but not all - > tak

Re: [zfs-discuss] (no subject)

2009-01-14 Thread JZ
Ok, it's also important, in many many cases, but not all - taking the problem into tomorrow is also not very good. IMHO, maybe all you smart open folks that know all about this and that, but dunno how to fix your darn email address to appear "zfs user" on the darn list discussion? do I have to s

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send and file fragmentation

2009-01-14 Thread JZ
Yes, that's more like it. hahahahahahahaha, it's all happy. chatting on, Sun folks. best, z - Original Message - From: "David Shirley" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send and file fragmentation > CoW = copy on write, a ZFS feature, whic

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send and file fragmentation

2009-01-14 Thread JZ
Sorry, I just cannot tell how is this name related to Sun, IMHO. In my days and enterprise environments, lots of CoWs are stored in relational databases. I dunno where the hell you come from. best, z - Original Message - From: "David Shirley" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 1

Re: [zfs-discuss] What are the usual suspects in data errors?

2009-01-14 Thread JZ
to an open list???] best, z - Original Message - From: "JZ" To: "A Darren Dunham" ; Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] What are the usual suspects in data errors? > folks, please, chatting on - don't make me stop you, we

Re: [zfs-discuss] What are the usual suspects in data errors?

2009-01-14 Thread JZ
, but only real knowhow. cheers, z - Original Message - From: "JZ" To: "A Darren Dunham" ; Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] What are the usual suspects in data errors? > darn, Darren, learning fast! > > best, > z >

Re: [zfs-discuss] What are the usual suspects in data errors?

2009-01-14 Thread JZ
darn, Darren, learning fast! best, z - Original Message - From: "A Darren Dunham" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] What are the usual suspects in data errors? > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 04:39:03PM -0600, Gary Mills wrote: >> I realize that any

Re: [zfs-discuss] mirror rpool

2009-01-14 Thread JZ
thank you, at least the list is alive. ok, let me provide some comments beyond IT, since the zpool likes it. knowledge is power. truth is knowledge. one can only understand truth if one can handle truth. and that is through learning, and reasoning. when you possess enough knowledge, you will be a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-14 Thread JZ
Folks, what can I post to the list to make the discussion go on? Is this what you folks want to see? which I shared with King and High but not you folks? http://www.excelsioritsolutions.com/jz/jzbrush/jzbrush.htm This is not even IT stuff so that I never thought I should post this to the list

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-13 Thread JZ
Ok, so someone is doing IT and has questions. Thank you! [I did not post this using another name, because I am too honorable to do that.] This is a list discussion, should not be paused for one voice. best, z [If Orvar has other questions that I have not addressed, please ask me off-list. It's

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-13 Thread JZ
Still not happy? I guess I will have do more spam myself -- So, I have to explain why I didn't like Linux but I like MS and OpenSolaris? I don't have any religious love for MS or Sun. Just that I believe, talents are best utilized in an organized and systematic fashion, to benefit the whole. Lea

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-13 Thread JZ
no one is working tonight? where is the discussions? ok, I will not be picking on Orvar all the time, if that's why... the windows statements was heavy, but hey, I am at home, not at work, it was just because Orvar was suffering. folks, are we not going to do IT just because I played wi

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-13 Thread JZ
Ok, Orvar, that's why I always liked you. You really want to get to the point, otherwise you won't give up. So this is all about the Windows thing huh? Yes, I love MS Storage because we shared/sharing a common dream. Yes, I love King and High because they are not arrogant if you respect them. A

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs ZFS + HW raid? Which is best?

2009-01-13 Thread JZ
The way I do IT, very much inline with Ian approach. I wouldn't care too much about SW RAID or HW RAID, but only because I use a layer of real "application aware" storage tier to interface with the specific applications. [they pay other folks to do the RAID layer] But this approach is clearly o

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs ZFS + HW raid? Which is best?

2009-01-13 Thread JZ
OMG, we are still doing this Orvar thing? I am even sick of seafood now and had a 2X-BLT NYC style for lunch today, so nice I didn't even bother checking on beloved Orvar... You open folks may not need 7000 because you dunno why it's cool. If you pay for those, you will never have to be at this l

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the new consumer NAS devices run OpenSolaris?

2009-01-12 Thread JZ
ok, was I too harsh on the list? sorry folks, as I said, I have the biggest ego. no one can hurt that by trying to fight me, but yes, it can be hurt if I have to hurt the friends I love in protecting my ego or my other friends' ego. but no one can get hurt if we don't claim what we have or what

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the new consumer NAS devices run OpenSolaris?

2009-01-12 Thread JZ
Hi B, You are not out eating seafood tonight? For real? the cost thing... I will take your words for it. And I will tell my chinatown folks maybe stop doing the ZFS home NAS, but try the new Windows Home thing... And those folke, they eat more fried rice, not seafood, and some are the 佛 (fo) be

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need help with disk layout

2009-01-12 Thread JZ
> "Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta > tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of > pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435) but who sends a baby to do groceries? can't pick up the wine for daddy. and w

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problem importing degraded Pool

2009-01-12 Thread JZ
Ahh. what a relief, knowing the baby data could be ok... best wishes! I am going for some seafood dinner now. cheers, z - Original Message - From: "Philipp Haußleiter" To: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Problem importing degraded Pool

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs ZFS + HW raid? Which is best?

2009-01-12 Thread JZ
Not really. In chinatown, we are trying to do some ZFS home based NAS, no need to burn anything. best, z - Original Message - From: "Toby Thain" To: "JZ" Cc: "Richard Elling" ; "Orvar Korvar" ; Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:04 PM Subject

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the new consumer NAS devices run OpenSolaris?

2009-01-12 Thread JZ
a, I see. did you ever think about using game boxes for your home digital media storage? can be very fun! http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/hardware/memoryupdate/default.htm best, z - Original Message - From: "Joe S" To: "JZ" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 12,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can the new consumer NAS devices run OpenSolaris?

2009-01-12 Thread JZ
[having good long lunch...] did you do ZFS on your huge PC? try that first, and then please ask again - "will run OpenSolaris"? You don't run things on NAS boxes, you attach things to them. best, z at lunch - Original Message - From: "Joe S" To: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 4:14 P

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs ZFS + HW raid? Which is best?

2009-01-12 Thread JZ
[having late lunch hour for beloved Orvar] one more baby scenario for your consideration -- you can give me some ZFS based codes and I will go to china and burn some HW RAID ASICs to fulfill your desire? best, z - Original Message - From: "Richard Elling" To: "Orvar Korvar" Cc: Sen

Re: [zfs-discuss] SDXC and the future of ZFS

2009-01-11 Thread JZ
yeah, this is ZFS turf. what Linux folks really care may not be what z-open folks really care... open folks are not just all in one camp. I like you open folks, much much more than the L-open folks. best, z - Original Message - From: "dick hoogendijk" To: Sent: Sunday, January 11, 200

Re: [zfs-discuss] can't import zpool after upgrade to solaris 10u6

2009-01-10 Thread JZ
Hi Gold, 9987988 sounds factual to me... IMHO, z - Original Message - From: "Steve Goldthorpe" To: Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] can't import zpool after upgrade to solaris 10u6 > There's definately something strange going on as these are the onl

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS poor performance on Areca 1231ML

2009-01-10 Thread JZ
muchas gracias por vuestro tiempo, por que me hiciste mas fuerte [if misleading, plz excuse my french...] ;-) z - Original Message - From: "Bob Friesenhahn" To: "Dmitry Razguliaev" Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS poor performance on Areca

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS?

2009-01-09 Thread JZ
: "David Dyer-Bennet" To: Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS? > > On Thu, January 8, 2009 15:35, Tim wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:43 PM, JZ wrote: >>> >>> Can we focus on commercial usage? &

Re: [zfs-discuss] Looking for new SATA/SAS HBA; JBOD is not always JBOD

2009-01-09 Thread JZ
Hi B, thx for hitting on the expander issue that I need to finish your job - On top of as Rich said, Sun sells many expander-based stuff, please also understand why you even need that -- the LSI SAS HBA that Sun resells does up to over 200 JBOD disks by itself. But the new HDS AMS2000 SAS implem

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS?

2009-01-08 Thread JZ
To: "Scott Laird" Cc: "JZ" ; "Orvar Korvar" ; ; "Peter Korn" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS? > Scott Laird wrote: >> Today? Low-power SSDs are probably less reliable than low-power

Re: [zfs-discuss] Desperate question about MPXIO with ZFS-iSCSI

2009-01-08 Thread JZ
and Ave U, which have really nice seafood, that I think would be suitable for your hongkong taste... And we have some private ones... yours, z - Original Message - From: "Stephen Yum" To: "JZ" ; ; Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-dis

Re: [zfs-discuss] Desperate question about MPXIO with ZFS-iSCSI

2009-01-08 Thread JZ
Hi S, sorry, as much as I am Super z, this is beyond me. maybe you can go to china town for a seafood dinner (they are on sale worldwide now), and see if Sun folks would reply? best, z - Original Message - From: "Stephen Yum" To: ; Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: [

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS?

2009-01-08 Thread JZ
OMG! what a critical factor I just didn't think about!!! stupid me! Moog, please, which laptops are supporting ZFS today? I will only buy within those. z, at home, feeling better, but still a bit confused - Original Message - From: "The Moog" To: "JZ" ; ;

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS?

2009-01-08 Thread JZ
e job] So, without the swapping HD concern, what should I do??? z at home still confused - Original Message - From: "Scott Laird" To: "JZ" Cc: "Toby Thain" ; "Brandon High" ; ; "Peter Korn" ; "Orvar Korvar" Sent:

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS?

2009-01-08 Thread JZ
should I not... OMG! ???! z, at home don't know how to spend $ - Original Message - From: "JZ" To: "Scott Laird" Cc: "Orvar Korvar" ; ; "Peter Korn" Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris f

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS?

2009-01-08 Thread JZ
Scott Laird" To: "JZ" Cc: "Toby Thain" ; "Brandon High" ; ; "Peter Korn" ; "Orvar Korvar" Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS? > Today? Low-power SSDs are probably less

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS?

2009-01-08 Thread JZ
I was think about Apple's new SSD drive option on laptops... is that safer than Apple's HD or less safe? [maybe Orvar can help me on this] the price is a bit hefty for me to just order for experiment... Thanks! z at home - Original Message - From: "Toby Thain"

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS?

2009-01-08 Thread JZ
Message - From: Tim To: JZ Cc: Scott Laird ; Brandon High ; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org ; Peter Korn Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS? On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:43 PM, JZ wrote: ok, Scott, that sounded

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-08 Thread JZ
[just for the beloved Orvar] Ok, rule of thumb to save you some open time -- anything with "z", or "j", would probably be safe enough for your baby data. And yeah, I manage my own lunch hours BTW. :-) best, z - Original Message - From: "Orvar Korvar" To: Sent: Thursday, January 08

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-07 Thread JZ
Folks, I have had much fun and caused much trouble. I hope we now have learned the "open" spirit of storage. I will be less involved with the list discussion going forward, since me too have much work to do in my super domain. [but I still have lunch hours, so be good!] As I always say, thank you

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS?

2009-01-07 Thread JZ
ok, Scott, that sounded sincere. I am not going to do the pic thing on you. But do I have to spell this out to you -- somethings are invented not for home use? Cindy, would you want to do ZFS at home, or just having some wine and music? Can we focus on commercial usage? please! - Origina

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS?

2009-01-07 Thread JZ
Hello high buckley, OMG, in that spirit, I would suggest to go get a $99 per year per 1 TB web-based cloudy storage somewhere, if you don't care about your baby data... what's $8K for enterprises?! ;-) z, see pic again - Original Message - From: "Brandon High" To: "Joel Buckley" Cc

Re: [zfs-discuss] [storage-discuss] ZFS iscsi snapshot - VSScompatible?

2009-01-07 Thread JZ
OMG, no safety feature?! Sorry, even on ZFS turf, if you use HyperV, and the HyperV VSS Writer, it could be a lot safer -- if you don't know how to do a block-level Super thing... best, zStorageAnalyst - Original Message - From: "Jason J. W. Williams" To: "Mr Stephen Yum" Cc: ; Sent:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Practical Application of ZFS

2009-01-07 Thread JZ
long live the king - Original Message - From: "Jason King" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Practical Application of ZFS > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Kees Nuyt wrote: >> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:41:32 -0500, David Magda >> wrote: >> >>>On Ja

Re: [zfs-discuss] Practical Application of ZFS

2009-01-07 Thread JZ
For SuperUsers, and the little envionments, the JAVA embedded thing does all... http://java-source.net/open-source/database-engines ;-) z - Original Message - From: "Kees Nuyt" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Practical Application of ZFS > O

Re: [zfs-discuss] Possible to copy a zpool safely? rsync? zfs send?

2009-01-07 Thread JZ
Ok, Cindy, Next question is, let me do this for Orvar -- any of the existing snapshot settings need to be changed for the new disks, before they corrupt the baby data? :-) best, z - Original Message - From: To: "Orvar Korvar" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:31 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problems at 90% zpool capacity 2008.05

2009-01-07 Thread JZ
OMG, open folks are really budget concened. In enterprises, a 90% policy as a safety feature is ok... alerts will be sent and POs will be issued... :-) z - Original Message - From: "Sam" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Problems at 90% zpool capa

Re: [zfs-discuss] Possible to copy a zpool safely? rsync? zfs send?

2009-01-07 Thread JZ
[a quick reply to the beloved Orvar, on my lunch hour...] economy is bad, save some $ -- don't pay for tools, do your own open solution for this. know JAVA? Hash your data and see if they are cool. http://oceanstore.sourceforge.net/javadoc/pond/ostore/dataobj/DataObject.DataBlock.html#computeVhash

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problems at 90% zpool capacity 2008.05

2009-01-06 Thread JZ
BTW, high water mark method is not perfect, here is some for Novell support of water mark... best, z http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tools/16991.html Based on my own belief that there had to be a "better way" and the number of issues I'd seen reported in the Support Forums, I spent a lot of

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-06 Thread JZ
Ok, folks, new news - [feel free to comment in any fashion, since I don't know how yet.] EMC ACQUIRES OPEN-SOURCE ASSETS FROM SOURCELABS http://go.techtarget.com/r/5490612/6109175 <>___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Questions about OS 2008.11 partitioning scheme

2009-01-06 Thread JZ
Hello Darren, This one, ok, was a validate thought/question -- On Solaris, root pools cannot have EFI labels (the boot firmware doesn't support booting from them). http://blog.yucas.info/2008/11/26/zfs-boot-solaris/ But again, this is a ZFS discussion, and obvously EFI is not a ZFS, or even Sun

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-06 Thread JZ
[ok, no one replying, my spam then...] Open folks just care about SMART so far. http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-s...@vger.kernel.org/msg07346.html Enterprise folks care more about spin-down. (not an open thing yet, unless new practical industry standard is here that I don't know. yeah right.)

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-05 Thread JZ
t;A Darren Dunham" To: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:42 AM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity? > On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 09:58:37PM -0500, JZ wrote: >>> Under what situations would you expect any differences between the ZFS >>> checksum

Re: [zfs-discuss] Unable to add cache device

2009-01-04 Thread JZ
[no Sun folks replying to this? ok, let me do more spam then...] Scott, thank you so much for the testing spirit and sharing the result with the list! -- We architects can be talking all day long and still don't have any idea how the open things would work on "any box", not just the poster-boy

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-02 Thread JZ
On second thought, let me further explain why I had the Linux link in the same post. That was written a while ago, but I think the situation for the cheap RAID cards has not changed much, though the RAID ASICs in RAID enclosures are getting more and more robust, just not "open". If you take ri

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-02 Thread JZ
$$$). (if this is a text-only email, see attached pic, hopefully the Solaris mail server does that conversion automatically like Lotus.) -z - Original Message - From: "Bob Friesenhahn" To: "JZ" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss]

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-02 Thread JZ
ginal Message - From: "Bob Friesenhahn" To: "JZ" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity? > On Fri, 2 Jan 2009, JZ wrote: >> >> I have not done a cost study on ZFS towards the 999s,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-02 Thread JZ
day, January 02, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity? > Tim wrote: >> >> >> >> The Netapp paper mentioned by JZ >> >> (http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~krioukov/ParityLostAndParityRegained-FAST08.ppt >> >> <

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-02 Thread JZ
Nice... More on sector checksum -- * anything prior to 2005 would be sort of out-of-date/fashion, because http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6952797/description.html * the software RAID - NetApp view http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~krioukov/ParityLostAndParityRegained-FAST08.ppt * the Linux view http

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs support in ubuntu linux...

2009-01-01 Thread JZ
If this thing goes around FUSE, china folks could love it... http://zfs-on-fuse.blogspot.com/ http://mlsx.xplore.cn/2008/12/18/zfs-fuse-poor-performance.html#more-1182 best, z - Original Message - From: "hardware technician" To: Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:59 AM Subject: [zfs-di

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2008-12-31 Thread JZ
Happy new year! Snowing here and my new year party was cancelled. Ok, let me do more boring IT stuff then. Orvar, sorry I misunderstood you. Please feel free to explore the limitations of hardware RAID, and hopefully one day you will come to a conclusion that -- it was invented for saving CPU ju

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2008-12-31 Thread JZ
"The problem is that there is no such thing as "hardware RAID" there is only "software RAID." The "HW RAID" controllers are processors running software and the features of the product are therefore limited by the software developer and processor capabilities. I goes without saying that the proces

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