Re: [313] DEMF & 'Hurt Feelings'
In a message dated 5/27/2000 9:16:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Alan I think the reason you haven't been asked to play is because you don't play what the rest of Detroit is into anymore. Though I've never heard a set I own a few of your records, which are solid, and have an indication of what you play from the comments you've made on this list. Hard and minimal is my guess, the way Detroit used to do it, and from all reports mixed up in inspirational style. But with the exception of Hawtin, Mills and yourself (and maybe Rolando), it doesn't seem to me that that's what Detoit musicians are into anymore. First of all, hear a set before you judge, please. Secondly, I really don't care what Detroit musicians are into. It's the kids that come out to dance and buy my records/comics/whatever that I care about pleasing. A very good friend of mine whose name you would know cared a little too much about what his fellow Detroit musicians thought of his work. As a result, he's just now getting the confidence and respect he deserves, even though he was around since the VERY beginning ! I think Detroit and I think Carl Craig, Moodyman and Theo Parrish. I think Moods and Grooves and Theorem. They're the ones getting attention for moving stuff forward. If you say so. That's the beauty of Detroit music. There's something for everybody. I'll stick to what I can play out in a set, personally. I like the Detroit sound you helped to pioneer. But I think somewhere it got stuck in a groove. And the rest of Detroit kept moving on. Except for the 900 people who came to hear me on 3/31/00 at Motor. Or the several thousand who bought "Progress". I still like what you're doing, and I think lots of Europe like it too. Hmmm, I only get to Europe once a year, but I play the US every weekend. Even now, I'm in Philly. (11, 000 people at the biggest East Coast event of the year AND I got to meet/hear the AMAZING Marco Carola !) I just don't think that your lack of invitation is a personal thing: it's more that your sound no longer represents present day Detroit. You really wouldn't know that, would you ? And if some of the stuff I've been hearing is present-day Detroit, I'll stay in the past with the old Derrick May/Juan Atkins/Mad Mike/Jeff Mills blueprint, thanks. I'm keen to hear how you (very very lucky) people at DEMF sum up the Detroit sound circa 2000. Cheers Rol >> Alan
real audio problems with groovetech/demf
hey.. anyone having problems with the real audio feed should upgrade their real player to version 8 .. i was having problems before, i just installed the new version now it works fine. mike
Re: [313] Derrick May + Suburban Knight the End 27 th May?
Ben, I went down to the End myself and was more than disappointed, having travelled down to London expecting to hear Derrick May and them having to put up with Charlie Hall was such an anti-climax, apparently Derrick was stuck in Amsterdam, whose fault that is I don't know. I was so pissed off I left at 2 o'clock another rumour going around was that Carl Cox might have been coming back to London from Homelands and bringing Kevin Saunderson with him, did he show at all ?? Some of my friends went to Fabric to hear Rolando play only to be refused entry because they were male (Sexism eh ? thats dangerous) So after that they came to the End only to be let down again. If it's any consolation Ben once you here Derrick spin it will have been worth the wait. Hopefully He'll play out in the UK soon. Gary btw has anyone else had this 'treatment' at Fabric, they have had quite a few Detroit DJ's playing recently and I've heard a few other bad tales from those nights so is it worth trying to go to see Kenny Larkin there on 10th June ?? - Original Message - From: Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313 <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 6:47 PM Subject: [313] Derrick May + Suburban Knight the End 27 th May? In my previous message to 313 I asked what I should look forward to in seeing these two at the End on Saturday (here comes the sob story): I'm a 19 year old student and have been listening to this music for a while now, ever since a 1993 mix tape of derrick may, and as he never seems to play close to where I live (the Midlands of the UK) I have yet to see him play. I eventually got the weekend off work after a very hard time, and saved up the money to go down to London, full of joy at finally seeing him and the Suburban Knight, but both cancelled!!! Now I'm not sure what the reason was for this (can anyone tell me what happened?) it may be legit, but I've heard too many stories of Derrick not turning up. Now I love Derrick and have got all of his stuff, and him doing this will not change my views on the guy but it does upset me. We pay his wages and for him to do this so consistently shows a blatant disregard for his many loyal fans who I'm sure have travelled far further than me. Still love u Derrick + hoping there was a real reason for the no show to prove me wrong. Ben
Terrence Parker's Sunday night DJing clarification (2nite - May 28th)
1st - RESPECT to the DEMF! I was down at Hart Plaza yesterday and I must say it felt so good to finally see my brothers and sisters in underground music receive love, and respect on a large scale right here in our very own backyard! I am overwhelmed with pride. OK cats, here's the deal . . . Tonight I am spinning at TONIC (29 south Saginaw Street in downtown PONTIAC) from 11PM to 1AM. For more info / directions from the DEMF, call 1-248-334-7411, or if you are on line: www.TONICDETROIT.com. Tonight's special guests, DJ NOVA from Miami, DJ Len "the blend" Horn, and of course . . . Mr. Steve Crawford! Then I am spinning a late night set in DETROIT from 4AM until ? For more info / directions, call 1-248-870-1225 or 1-800-312-5232. peace & respect, TP
Re: [313] Sabrettes/ Psyche/ Pod Question
Marsel, You're right nothing to do with Mr Larkin or Mr Craig, In this case Pod is Matt Rowland and the Psyche track is credited to Fletcher Unfortunately neither of their tracks match upto their namesakes Gary - Original Message - From: marsel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [313] Sabrettes/ Psyche/ Pod Question > At 28-5-00 -0400 02:12, you wrote: > > >VARIOUS > > >101+303+808=Now Form A Band > > >SBR004CD > > >Sabrettes UK > > > > >- TURBULENT FORCE: Metamorphic Structures > > >- POINT ALPHA: Alpha Acid > > >- THD: Steel Mill > > >- THD: Spaldang > > >- POD: Mollusk > > >- TURBULENT FORCE: Timer > > >- POINT ALPHA: Data Blast > > >- PSYCHE: Street Stomper > > >- POD: Geodesic Dome > > >- LORDS OF AFFORD: Do Laugh (Whitey Part 4) > > >- PSYCHE: Adrenalin Rush > > > > > >Would anyone have information on this CD/ does anyone know whether the Psyche > >and Pod tracks on this comp. are Carl Craig and Kenny Larkin respectively? > > hmm, probably not. > carl & kenny indeed used those monickers, > but the track titles seem unknown to me. > > np. pod - nothern lights > ___ > forcefield | mindless entertainment > http://www.forcefield.org _ __ ___ > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] demf-stream problems
-Original Message- From: Lester Kenyatta Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >On Sun, 28 May 2000, invisible wrote: > >> anyone else having problems with the real audio streams? > >Decided that my dissertation couldn't wait so this has to be a very important one i guess > >Anyway, Masa, the brother I met from Groovetech, told me that there were >some technical problems with the feed. It'll probably hamper any attempt >to listen to the program LIVEbut they'll clean it up when they put the >stuff in the archives. So it probably isn't you. i just went crazy last night during stacey pullen's set. can't wait for the archives. > > >peace >lks > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
looking for.. n.o.w.
i always got it on cd, but now wish it on vinyl as well. nightmares on wax - a word of science - warp (lp4) anyone to sell / trade ?? marsel
Re: [313] demf-stream problems
On Sun, 28 May 2000, invisible wrote: > anyone else having problems with the real audio streams? Decided that my dissertation couldn't wait Anyway, Masa, the brother I met from Groovetech, told me that there were some technical problems with the feed. It'll probably hamper any attempt to listen to the program LIVEbut they'll clean it up when they put the stuff in the archives. So it probably isn't you. peace lks
Re: [313] Sabrettes/ Psyche/ Pod Question
At 28-5-00 -0400 02:12, you wrote: >VARIOUS >101+303+808=Now Form A Band >SBR004CD >Sabrettes UK >- TURBULENT FORCE: Metamorphic Structures >- POINT ALPHA: Alpha Acid >- THD: Steel Mill >- THD: Spaldang >- POD: Mollusk >- TURBULENT FORCE: Timer >- POINT ALPHA: Data Blast >- PSYCHE: Street Stomper >- POD: Geodesic Dome >- LORDS OF AFFORD: Do Laugh (Whitey Part 4) >- PSYCHE: Adrenalin Rush Would anyone have information on this CD/ does anyone know whether the Psyche and Pod tracks on this comp. are Carl Craig and Kenny Larkin respectively? hmm, probably not. carl & kenny indeed used those monickers, but the track titles seem unknown to me. np. pod - nothern lights ___ forcefield | mindless entertainment http://www.forcefield.org _ __ ___
axis thing
a mail about abuse of e-mail adresses since i can use, with my provider every e-mail adress i want, i subscribe to several mailing, with an adress the track done what they maybe do with it. until now no disperformance, but my subscribtion to axis seems to be used more often. it's the fourth message i got last week on this e-mail adress (= [EMAIL PROTECTED]) another one was about french trance or some - Date: 28 May 2000 15:31:56 - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: KittenCore 31/05/2000 KittenCore -- the first party An evening of Stuff for the people who were always the weird kids at school. @ Notting Hill Arts Club, Notting Hill Gate Wednesday May 31st, 8pm till 1am Music Policy: Stuff. [This could mean anything from bouncy, skippy techno to the Pixies to anything else we can think of. It may have electronic noises and/or guitars and/or "Oh My God. This isn't even really music. It *can't* be, can It???". Then again, it may not.] DJs: Kitty (Kittencore) Katie (Kittencore, tompaulin) Noel (NME) Barticle (loads of places.. Poleshift, etc) Veeg (VXSLAB, Hackerly Social, etc) Tax: Not a sausage, John.[1] Dress Code: No Dave From Stevenage. Look at: http://www.kittencore.net/ Signupto: The KittenCore Mailing list mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] Contributions to the DJs beer^M^M^M^M petrol fund gratefully received ---
Re: [313] demf!
Next year every outside room in the Ren Cen should have a strobe, or timed lights turning on floor by floor starting from bottom all the way to the top (then back down) for a "blast off" effect--now that would be a spectacle.
demf-stream problems
anyone else having problems with the real audio streams?
[313] fliers
Anyone remember the flier for a party called "Real Deep"? bill
Derrick May + Suburban Knight the End 27 th May?
In my previous message to 313 I asked what I should look forward to in seeing these two at the End on Saturday (here comes the sob story): I'm a 19 year old student and have been listening to this music for a while now, ever since a 1993 mix tape of derrick may, and as he never seems to play close to where I live (the Midlands of the UK) I have yet to see him play. I eventually got the weekend off work after a very hard time, and saved up the money to go down to London, full of joy at finally seeing him and the Suburban Knight, but both cancelled!!! Now I'm not sure what the reason was for this (can anyone tell me what happened?) it may be legit, but I've heard too many stories of Derrick not turning up. Now I love Derrick and have got all of his stuff, and him doing this will not change my views on the guy but it does upset me. We pay his wages and for him to do this so consistently shows a blatant disregard for his many loyal fans who I'm sure have travelled far further than me. Still love u Derrick + hoping there was a real reason for the no show to prove me wrong. Ben
Re: [313] DEMF
I agree with lks and so far despite any considerations I might have about the lineup it's an A+ mark for Carl, Carol and the many people who helped put on this *organized*, *exciting*, *wide-ranging* musical event. D Wynn made my day. That's all I'm gonna say about that. And Octave One live made my night. phred
Re: [313] demf!
I hear you! I remember telling my friends, "look out at the crowd and the stage-- take it in... Now look up at the ren cen-- take it in!" I never thought we'd see the day... Did anyone catch the strobe in the room near the top of the westin hotel in the renaissance center? I swear it was going to the rhythm... Dale At 09:22 AM 5/28/00 -0700, you wrote: >for once, I'm speechless ... :) > >www.reverbmag.com/pix/demf00.jpg >www.reverbmag.com/pix/demf01.jpg > > >Dan Sicko >http://www.reverbmag.com >http://www.techno-rebels.com > > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >
DEMF 2
As I type, Alan Ester is at the podium.I just woke up and am trying to
decide whether seeing Ester and Stacey Hale is enough to get sick for
(it's raining right now and pretty cold).
I think it is. I hope my wife and kids don't get too upset.
I left off talking about different rhythms and different grooves. This is
the first time I can recall such a disparate crowd all moving to the same
rhythm. Not in the same WAY mind you...you've got the herky jerks in
there, the people trainined in classical African forms in thereand
then the smooth ones in there too. All facing the DJ...something that I
don't usually dig as for me the DJ isn't necessarily an artist...but a
Wizard. And while he's casting his spell (or her as the case may be) I
don't necessarily want to be WATCHING...I want to be JACKING.
But it's all good.
Theo Parrish put in WORK on the CPOP stage. Definitely the most eclectic
set of the day--that I heard. Let me see...he put in some Prince (AMERICA
as well as some unusual syncopated shit that I wasn't familiar with), some
Gil Scott Heron (hadn't heard HIM in damn near 20 years), and some Pfunk.
Around this time I caught up with Cornelius Harris and Hackett.
And then some guy from Groovetech. An Asian brother from Seattle. He's
one of their DJs ("I came with my friends who are technicans...but they
don't want me breaking shit, so I get to hang out"). His name is Masa,
and we hung out for about three hours. At what other time can a brother
like Masa be convinced to fly down to Detroit. He loves it though...he'll
be back. He told me that for a while he was scared of Detroit. You know,
because of the image of crime and drug infestation.
I didn't trip. I just asked him one question:
"How can a city as supposedly horrible as Detroit is, create such a
beautiful sound?"
At this point my legs are aching up to my knees. My back feels as stiff
as Al Gore, and I need to STOP MOVING. But because Theo is putting in
work I just can't.
As night sets upon the city, Stacey Pullen comes up to the main stage.
Though sparsely populated early in the daythe DEMF stage is now
PACKED...under the neon light of the stage. Carl Craig comes up and says
a few words...then lets Pullen come up to do what we all came to see him
do. He starts off with BLACKOUT...an old Lil Louis tune...on the same LP
as FRENCH KISS. Perfect way to start off the set...the crowd immediately
becomes frenzied. This is where I see the midget holding forth...as well
as some 6'9 cat that looked like Marilyn Manson. I can no longer
dance...so I'm just checking out the scene, but the image of ten thousand
maniacs screaming at the top of their lungs when the most powerful refrain
of King's I HAVE A DREAM speech --a speech FIRST delivered in Detroit--is
played is something I'll carry with me.
Off to battle the flu!
---
Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Assistant Professor, Political Science
Washington University at St. Louis
"Strive for excellence in all you do, that no
fault may be found in your character"
---
demf!
for once, I'm speechless ... :) www.reverbmag.com/pix/demf00.jpg www.reverbmag.com/pix/demf01.jpg Dan Sicko http://www.reverbmag.com http://www.techno-rebels.com
Spacetime
If anyone is conscious with the info, please tell : It sounded to me like Spacetime Continuum was re-scheduled to appear TODAY (Sunday) at the DEMF (at least, this was announced at the end of the last set last night). Anybody know when that is (or if the rain is supposed to abate :-)? jeff -- jeff "10,000 people all screaming the same thing at the same time are wrong, even if they're right." dancing/about/architecture "...with wandering steps and slow..." ICQ904008
DEMF/VanLoo
http://www.groovetech.com/demf (live feed 12am-12pm Detroit time) Excellent gig so far. 4 Stages and all kinds of people. The set by Scion and Tikiman was everything I'd hoped for. Some great DJing going on, too...Minx, Kenny Larkin, Theo Parrish and more than I can recall. Let me be the first to say that Bill VanLoo's live set was spot-on. I didn't know what to expect from him, but I was pleasantly surprised by one of the more creative/experimental sets I've heard down there yet. When are we going to be able to buy this stuff, Bill? Another surprise for me was Jason Hogan's set. Far more lush and varied than what one might have expected (given my exposure to him was limited to Peter and the Rooster). When I left last night after Stacey Pullen finished banging on the crowd, I could only think "It's about time". Word is this will become an annual event if Carl can pull it off. So far, the vibe has been excellent, people seem happy and the show has been great. Hopefully the perennial continuation of DEMF will provide plenty of room for *everybody* who needs to have a stage in future years. -- jeff "10,000 people all screaming the same thing at the same time are wrong, even if they're right." dancing/about/architecture "...with wandering steps and slow..." ICQ904008
From Barcelona
Hi all!! I live in Barcelona, and I will go to Sonar, of course!!! (but not all the days because i'm in exams :-( if anyone will come, and wants to know the city, recordshops, clubs... can contact with me. More sonar info: www.sonar.es
RE: [313] DEMF & 'Hurt Feelings'
>This was fun ! I'm gonna have to write a book. I've got dirt on everybody. If >the above is any indication, it will be the anti-"Techno Rebels". Slash and >burn politics. Hey, Tim Barr, wanna help write it ? I think it was a public relations move on Carl Craig's part not to include DJT1000 in the DEMF line up. DJT1000 has become somewhat of a controversial figure in Detroit, very opinionated, not afraid to speak his mind. I'm sure he has burned a few bridges and stepped on peoples tows in the process and Carl Craig being one of them. And lets face it, Alan Oldman does not carry the same stature he once had during the techno glory days with his Fast Forward radio show. Remember "Techno" the old sound of Detroit? Ask Carl Craig what he thinks about techno. Times have changed, you either go with the flow or you get left behind. stephen.
RTRFM 92.1 Ambient Zone Webcast
Hi all, Just a reminder of Sunday's Ambient Zone program 23.00-01.00 (WST) on RTRFM 92.1 FM Perth, Western Australia, which you can check out via realaudio at - http://rtrfm.ii.net The finest low-frequency electronic listening music showcased each week. Tonight's showcase presenter will be Emma Love. Timezones: Detroit (EST) 10.00-12.00 Frankfurt (CET)/ London (GMT) 16.00-18.00 Other global timechecks can be accessed at www.globalmetric.com/time. Regards, A_Zed Program Co-ordinator http://rtrfm.ii.net/";>Click here: RTR FM 92.1 Perth Western Australia
RE: [313] DEMF & real audio?
At 3:34 AM -0500 5/28/00, stephen wrote: hey, where's the live real audio/ video stream? not much info on the DEMF site. thanks, stephen. www.groovetech.com/demf
RE: [313] DEMF & real audio?
>Alright I couldn't let this one slip by. As I'm listening to D.Wynn via >real audio at the DEMF, I read this email hey, where's the live real audio/ video stream? not much info on the DEMF site. thanks, stephen.
DEMF
Ok.since I'm the first one back to post...I'll try to give a summary of my day. I originally planned to get there at about 3pm to check out Spooky because we're on an email list together. Then I planned to come back home, do some work on my dissertation...and then go back in time for Stacy Pullen. As you can see from my previous post, this didn't happen. Got there at 3:30pm.didn't get back until about 3:15am. Twelve glorious hours. Caught a bit of Spooky, but he really wasn't grooving like I wantedI'm looking for some banging soulful house and technoso I move on. And find DJ Minx. About 6ft and FINEthis sister was the best act I think I saw all day. But then again I might have just been bombarded by the power of the event. She was spinning some deep grooves...plus she had a brother on three bongos. We shouted and whoopedand I was in the middle of the crowd doing the Errol Flynn. Like WHAT! DETROIT WHAT! Saw a couple of old headsone a Transmat DJ (livest after set should be Derrick May's Transmat set late Sunday night), and a couple of others just my peeps. The same question pops up over and over again. Did you ever think in your wildest dreams that this would happen? I remember talking about hearing Pocket Calculator on the radio back in 1981. I was in 6th grade in a Dearborn, Mi. Catholic school. I remember the first time I heard someone mix Cosmic Cars with Numbers. Seventh grade. I remember dancing at the Music Institute and realizing that the woman with the short short skirt licking her lips at every guy looking her way was a DUDE. Summer of '89. At no point did I EVER EVER think that the city of Detroit would sanction a festival devoted to the OTHER music that kept me sane (the first music is jazz). At no point did I EVER EVER think that the hotels in the city would be booked because so many people from OUTSIDE OF THE FUCKING COUNTRY wanted to come for it. Damn. I'm looking around and I see people of all shapes, colors, and sizes. The one picture I wish I'd taken--I didn't take any today--was that of a midget dancing with two fine women twice his height as Stacy Pullen took us home. I saw a couple of female slaves--I'm pretty sure they were slaves because of the chains around their neck, and because they were being dragged around by someone else. Now the USUAL problem with crowds this diverse is arhythm problem. Not so much the LACK of rhythm, but rather the presence of too many different KINDS of rhythm. Kind of like mixing OFF TO BATTLE with Bach. Just doesn't work--unless you've got real skills. Damngoing to have to finish this later. just got word that the server is cutting off. lks --- Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assistant Professor, Political Science Washington University at St. Louis "Strive for excellence in all you do, that no fault may be found in your character" ---
RE: [313] DEMF & 'Hurt Feelings'
Rol I don't like Mills new sound.I much prefer the May/Atkins stuff. If your characterization of Alan is correct--and though I know Alan through his work on FAST FORWARD I haven't heard his stuff--then I probably wouldn't want to hear it at a gig necessarily. But with that said, I think Alan is correct to critique Carl for not inviting him on stage. Alan is old schooland he should've been there. The fact that someone tried to EXPLAIN to him--presumably without Alan asking him to--why Alan got dicked is a sign to me that at least SOMEONE recognized that what happened was wrong. It doesn't matter whether Alan's music fits in with May, Atkins, or even someone like Parrish. It is what it isand it IS detroit. This does diminish the power of the DEMFthough to be honest I JUST got back for the night, and it was still as beautiful as a newborn babe. maybe more on this later peace lks --- Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assistant Professor, Political Science Washington University at St. Louis "Strive for excellence in all you do, that no fault may be found in your character" ---
Re: [313] DEMF & 'Hurt Feelings'
>Frankly, I'd rather not see a lot of speculation about who is >playing at DEMF and why appearing on this list. I think these are wise words, me. Carl is to be commended for going out on a limb and doing it. If I were from Detroit I'd be really proud of him. Obviously the first time you do anything is a learning experience. Maybe it's not personal at all, maybe it's not political. Only two people know for sure. C
Sabrettes/ Psyche/ Pod Question
>VARIOUS >101+303+808=Now Form A Band >SBR004CD >Sabrettes UK >- TURBULENT FORCE: Metamorphic Structures >- POINT ALPHA: Alpha Acid >- THD: Steel Mill >- THD: Spaldang >- POD: Mollusk >- TURBULENT FORCE: Timer >- POINT ALPHA: Data Blast >- PSYCHE: Street Stomper >- POD: Geodesic Dome >- LORDS OF AFFORD: Do Laugh (Whitey Part 4) >- PSYCHE: Adrenalin Rush Would anyone have information on this CD/ does anyone know whether the Psyche and Pod tracks on this comp. are Carl Craig and Kenny Larkin respectively? A_Zed _ Program Co-ordinator, Ambient Zone RTRFM 92.1 Sunday Electronic Listening [http://rtrfm.ii.net] Perth, W.Aust (WST) 23.00-01.00 Detroit (EST) 10.00-12.00 Frankfurt (CET)/ London(GMT)16.00-18.00
RE: [313] DEMF & 'Hurt Feelings'
My post has been interpreted as an attack on Alan Oldham, which I didn't mean it to be (the 'stuck in a groove' comment is regrettable). I read Alan's manifesto and I posted in the same straight style he used. (I trust a big shoot-from-the-hip man like Alan will not be offended by the small words of a small Scot like myself). I just wanted to open discussion on what Detroit means now as a sound. The subsequent posts have been unanimous in their attack on me, saying Detroit means all things and nothing in particular (a broad chuch), and Alan is as much a part of it as anyone else. But it didn't used to be like that. Detroit used to mean something much more precise (and Alan was definitely a part of that). That's why we're all on this list, right? We all know 'Detroit' refers (or at least used to refer) to something in music, even if we can't say exactly what that is. It just seems to me that Alan is now closer to present day Europe than he is to present day Detroit (musically speaking, and I don't see that as an insult. I remember him posting something to that effect a few months ago). And with the DEMF happening it's as good a time as any to discuss what exactly it is that Detroit means right now. If it means anything at all. But what do I know... Rol Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
My Disclaimer (was 'Hurt Feelings')
I started this thread and only tangentially referred to Mr. Oldham. For the record -- I consider Alan a great producer, a great DJ and a great guy all around, who has always treated me with great warmth and respect. My post was my personal feelings about what a positive thing that DEMF was, independent of the politics. It was not a response to Alan's article directly. Alan is ALWAYS going to state exactly what's on his mind straight up, which is what he did. As for any disrespect shown him by Craig or the Burdens, I won't comment, since I don't know the whole story. So whatever. I hope people are having fun. Obviously they're getting their party on since they ain't wasting time on e-mail ;-) kent williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] DEMF & 'Hurt Feelings'
Frankly, I'd rather not see a lot of speculation about who is playing at DEMF and why appearing on this list. Those who know, know what the reasons are and have little to do with the speculation here. I carry around an old rule of thumb from my Deadhead days that helps in situations like this: believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear. At the same time, I applaud AO for stepping up and putting out his perspective in the open, instead of veiling it behind insinuations or chatter. That cuts out a great deal of the "who said what about who" that drags everything down to the level of gossip and reprisal. The T-shirt on sale today said it best: "I play music, not politics." The politics is unavoidable but the music is what is real here. And AO is not the only renowned producer, composer and DJ who is not on the bill this time. May I point out someone equally known for moving the "abstract" sound forward is also not scheduled. The fact of the matter is, no schedule is perfect, and previous history, scheduling, marketing and many other factors play a role. Finally, let's lay to rest the notion that Detroit is defined by one kind of sound or has laid any of the valid ones to rest, whether it's proper bangin' techno or the Philly soul that echoes so strongly in what Theo Parrish is doing. Detroit is not "about" techno or any flavor thereof. It's not "about" hip hop. I will even venture to say -- check me if I'm wrong -- that it's not "about" juggalos. Detroit *is* about music. Isn't that enough? phred
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> *** Ain't Psycick T.V. the act of Genesis P. Orridge, founder of Throbbing Gristle? The thing people need to remember about Genesis P.O is that he is a media personality, and not a musician. He is good for interviews about concentration camp psychology, why fluxus sucks, Crowley related ritual Magick, and William Seward Burroughs, just do not ask the guy to write a tune. He was a performance artist, not a musician. TG was Genesis applying the gallery performance art of Coum Transmissions into a rock context. Most people do not realize that the brains behind Throbbing Gristle were really Chris Carter, and to a lesser extent Sleazy P. That is why there never has really been a true GPO solo record, he isn't a musician. When you listen to newer Psychic TV you are really listening to younger Fred Gianelli. From what Fred has posted to this list, he does not feel that he was treated very well, and felt cheated by the whole process. He did not get much fame or money, as Genesis took most of both... ...I could go on longer, Craig Taborn goes on in 6 hours and 35 minutes, I better hit the hay... Take care, Mike Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Michael Taylor : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homes.arealcity.com/Intermodal/index.html http://www.mp3.com/TheMSProject Thanks for the acknowledgement and thoughtful and intelligent insights. I would like to take this opportunity to publicly refute Genesis P-Orridge's claims of "inventing" Acid House. Since when did a short englishman look like a black guy from Chicago? Not a very nice thing to do. Gen has made this claim so many times in interviews that he actually believes his own bullshit. He never noticed the rest of the band rolling our eyes as he was interviewed backstage by stupid gullible rock journalists all those years ago. The more press he did, the more grandiose and absurd the claims. Don't burst his bubble now. Take everything he says and what you read about him with a heavy dose of skepticism. However, Gen is really a master of self promotion and @ getting interviewed for shitty so called "films" like "Modulations" and this new one called "Better Living Through Circuitry". One of my PTV tracks is even on the soundtrack distributed by Moonshine - so you know it's a complete piece of shit. Incidentally Genesis P-Orridge had no substantial input on that particular track. It was recorded during the "Infinite Beat" sessions. The title, music, concept of using voice samples of Salvador Dali and Andy Warhol were entirely mine. Dave Ball provided some additional keyboard overdubs. Gen did suggest to use the Dali/Warhol samples on that particular track however I had planned all along to use them on one of the tracks for the CD and had them ready in my sampler. The reason he received 50% writing credit and publishing was due to a disagreement we had over the publishing of other tracks on the CD. Particularly "I.C. Water" which was picked as a single and Gen was greedily claiming that he was entitled to more than 50% of the publishing. I suggested that we split all the tracks 50/50 since "Money for E..." was the only track where I could honestly say I deserved 100% of the publishing. I was willing to make this concession on the principal that Gen didn't deserve more than 50% of any of the songs. 50/50 all the way. I don't really consider "Money for E..." an important track. Just a funny filler track to end an LP and make a stupid ecstasy joke, which he was doing a lot of then. Amazing how some people find the money for their indulgences. To his credit he did help me get my start and put out my first records in 1985. Somehow he did attract a good crew and bandmates. Matthew Best, Dickie Dawes, Richard Schiessl, Dominic Parker , Milli Laws, his wife @ the time Paula and in small doses ; ) their 2 girls Caresse and Genesse were all great fun to be with and experience the camaraderie of being on the road. Psychic TV was his project and he can have it. Judging from his mismanagement of the PTV backcatalogue it's all worthless now. But then again he just thinks I'm just a miserable asshole. Telepathic regards, fG a/k/a The Kooky Scientist
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> *** Ain't Psycick T.V. the act of Genesis P. Orridge, founder of Throbbing Gristle? The thing people need to remember about Genesis P.O is that he is a media personality, and not a musician. He is good for interviews about concentration camp psychology, why fluxus sucks, Crowley related ritual Magick, and William Seward Burroughs, just do not ask the guy to write a tune. He was a performance artist, not a musician. TG was Genesis applying the gallery performance art of Coum Transmissions into a rock context. Most people do not realize that the brains behind Throbbing Gristle were really Chris Carter, and to a lesser extent Sleazy P. That is why there never has really been a true GPO solo record, he isn't a musician. When you listen to newer Psychic TV you are really listening to younger Fred Gianelli. From what Fred has posted to this list, he does not feel that he was treated very well, and felt cheated by the whole process. He did not get much fame or money, as Genesis took most of both... ...I could go on longer, Craig Taborn goes on in 6 hours and 35 minutes, I better hit the hay... Take care, Mike Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Michael Taylor : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homes.arealcity.com/Intermodal/index.html http://www.mp3.com/TheMSProject Thanks for the acknowledgement and thoughtful and intelligent insights. I would like to take this opportunity to publicly refute Genesis P-Orridge's claims of "inventing" Acid House. Since when did a short englishman look like a black guy from Chicago? Not a very nice thing to do. Gen has made this claim so many times in interviews that he actually believes his own bullshit. He never noticed the rest of the band rolling our eyes as he was interviewed backstage by stupid gullible rock journalists all those years ago. The more press he did, the more grandiose and absurd the claims. Don't burst his bubble now. Take everything he says and what you read about him with a heavy dose of skepticism. However, Gen is really a master of self promotion and @ getting interviewed for shitty so called "films" like "Modulations" and this new one called "Better Living Through Circuitry". One of my PTV tracks is even on the soundtrack distributed by Moonshine so you know it's a complete piece of shit. Incidentally Genesis P-Orridge had no substantial input on that particular track. It was recorded during the "Infinite Beat" sessions. The title, music, concept of using voice samples of Salvador Dali and Andy Warhol were entirely mine. Dave Ball provided some additional keyboard overdubs. Gen did suggest to use the Dali/Warhol samples on that particular track however I had planned all along to use them on one of the tracks for the CD and had them ready in my sampler. The reason he received 50% writing credit and publishing was due to a disagreement we had over the publishing of other tracks on the CD. Particularly "I.C. Water" which was picked as a single and Gen was greedily claiming that he was entitled to more than 50% of the publishing. I suggested that we split all the tracks 50/50 since "Money for E..." was the only track where I could honestly say I deserved 100% of the publishing. I was willing to make this concession on the principal that Gen didn't deserve more than 50% of any of the songs. 50/50 all the way. I don't really consider "Money for E..." an important track. Just a funny filler track to end an LP and make a stupid ecstasy joke which he was doing a lot of then. Amazing how some people find the money for their indulgences. To his credit he did help me get my start and put out my first records in 1985. Somehow he did attract a good crew and bandmates. Matthew Best, Dickie Dawes, Richard Schiessl, Dominic Parker , Milli Laws, his wife @ the time Paula and in small doses ; ) their 2 girls Caresse and Genesse were all great fun to be with and experience the camaraderie of being on the road. Psychic TV was his project and he can have it. Judging from his mismanagement of the PTV backcatalogue it's all worthless now. But then again he just thinks I'm just a miserable asshole. Telepathic regards, fG a/k/a The Kooky Scientist
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. a u d i o - n i m b u s your electronic music expansion slot idm.electronica.techno.ambient.experimental Just a reminder.. If you're in the Windsor / Detroit area, set your radio frequency to CJAM 91.5fm on Saturday from midnight - 2am (EST), May 27th. audio-nimbus can be heard live in Real-Audio format at http://www.uwindsor.ca/cjam/live.htm If you're curious to hear more about the artist's featured, or would like to comment about the show, feel free to email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pietro. ___ p i e t r o d a s a c c o a u d i o - n i m b u s c j a m 91.5 fm saturdays from midnight - 2am EST 9745 lynngrove cr, windsor, ontario, n8r 1b8, canada g r o o v e s m a g a z i n e www.groovesmag.com
detroit dj's in montreal is it possible?
hey there's this party going down in montreal with derrick may and kevin saunderson doing a tag team set. farina, carter and rabbit in the moon are also scheduled to show up. now i heard from a very close friend that the promoter throwing this event has thrown two party's b4 with nice lineups that never showed up and i was wondering if anyone on the list could confirm if may or sunderson would be there? the party is called 'a great adventure' and is an outdoor event scheduled for july 2nd .. thanks mike
