Re: [313] Axis 09

2001-10-20 Thread dan ito
just for an idea what is on the records. there is a track from 009a on live 
at the liquid room(1994). also, the subject 001 dj bone mix cd has a track 
from 009b. one of the tracks from 009a sounds like jerical(spelling?) from 
waveform vol. 1. they are total collector's items. i'd get another copy of 
each if i found them.


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Subject: Re: [313] Axis 09
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:25:14 -0700 (PDT)

"More Drama" is actually Axis 006 which replaced
"Drama" (older Axis 006).  Axis 009 and 009B are just
untitled releases.  I have 009B and I think it's worth
it.  I'm not good at track descriptions so I'm not
going to attempt :)  I beleieve 009 is much harder to
find than 009B, which you might still be able to get
at recordcollectorinc.com (I got mine from there).

Kevin

--- Arne Weinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Which one do you mean? There's a Axis 009 and a Axis
> 009b...
> Axis 009b is released much later and is called "More
> drama".
> If you are Mills-addicted like me ;-) I think you
> need them both.
> Not the best releases of him but worth a check in
> every case!
>
> Cheers, Arne
>
>
> "james boylan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> >Is Axis 09 by Jeff Mills (originally distributed
> only via Hardwax in Germany
> >apparently) worth getting? Track description/rating
> anyone?
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Re: [313] santos rodriguez

2001-10-20 Thread scott mcgill
Supposedly rumoured that it is Oliver Ho.
Apparently he said once that the mysterious Santos Rodriguez is great and
gonna be one to watch.

Who knows? More of I hope in the future, that ep is the epitomy of good
tribal tecchno IMO.

Scott Mc

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> Little question:
>
> is this guy producing under some aliases?
> Because cosmic id 001 is the only relase from santos rodriguez i´ve heard
> from (and I like it a lot).
>
> Greets,
> Maarten
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Re: [313] Planet E - designer music

2001-10-20 Thread Southern Outpost
Good girls was released on Designer Music vol. 1. It was originally 
only released to Planet E subscribers back in the day. To my 
knowledge, it only got one addition limited repressing.


Happy hunting. :)

Peace,
Patrick.

At 2:16 PM +0200 20/10/01, Maarten Baute wrote:

Dear detroit techno lovers,

1 simple question:

on wich ep was Designer Music - Good Girls released?

I have the vol2 (the truth / problemz) and I have the vol. 1 on cd, but it
´s not on the cd either.. maybee the vinyl of designer music vol. 1 is
different than the cd version?

Greets,
Maarten


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Re: [313] Axis 09

2001-10-20 Thread Kevin Conrad
"More Drama" is actually Axis 006 which replaced
"Drama" (older Axis 006).  Axis 009 and 009B are just
untitled releases.  I have 009B and I think it's worth
it.  I'm not good at track descriptions so I'm not
going to attempt :)  I beleieve 009 is much harder to
find than 009B, which you might still be able to get
at recordcollectorinc.com (I got mine from there). 

Kevin

--- Arne Weinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> Which one do you mean? There's a Axis 009 and a Axis
> 009b...
> Axis 009b is released much later and is called "More
> drama".
> If you are Mills-addicted like me ;-) I think you
> need them both.
> Not the best releases of him but worth a check in
> every case!
> 
> Cheers, Arne
> 
> 
> "james boylan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> >Is Axis 09 by Jeff Mills (originally distributed
> only via Hardwax in Germany 
> >apparently) worth getting? Track description/rating
> anyone?
> >
>
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[313] heiko laux

2001-10-20 Thread R - Type
one of the contenders for my best techno track would have to be
heiko laux's -earth bouncing pt1.  3 or 4 other tracks on that album come close 
too..


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[313] re:tech for my coffin!!

2001-10-20 Thread Rod Andres Alvarez
one of them would have to be john beltrans 'collage of dreams' -peacefrog 96
or 
speedcore if i was goin to hell...
peace!!


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Re: [313] santos rodriguez

2001-10-20 Thread Phonopsia
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Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 7:54 AM
Subject: [313] santos rodriguez


> Little question:
>
> is this guy producing under some aliases?
> Because cosmic id 001 is the only relase from santos rodriguez i´ve heard
> from (and I like it a lot).

Great question. I've been dieing to know this for a while too.

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Re: [313] Re: Techno for funerals

2001-10-20 Thread Ville HyvXnen



Egyptian Lover: Girls
Egyptian Lover: Egypt, Egypt
Egyptian Lover: Dance
Egyptian Lover: You´re So Fine
Egyptian Lover: Lover

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Re: [313] technology

2001-10-20 Thread Analog Headz
here`s my 2 cents.
 my defenition of techno (when people ask me what i spin thats what i
answer) is music with some sort of feeling. innovative and kool. i know that
as a genere TECHNO was created in detroit. i love detroit - but i think good
music (or techno) is created in many other places.
defenitions are bad!
as for trance i have mixed emotions about this genere since in my country
most of the people who like elektronic music are into trance (goa, psy, or
progressive). many of my friends are dj who spin this music. the early stuff
were great lots of emotion but in a weird way their scene is more like
drum`n`bass no more new innovation. the progressive music for me is just
rubbish with no soul.

A
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Subject: Re: [313] technology


> On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Dan Sicko wrote:
> > >>Trance in its roots was a marketing tool to identify techno with
melody
> >
> > That's a real shame that the definition of "techno" had degraded that
> > quickly in the early 90s, don't you think?
> >
> Well real Detroit techno was over before it started in some respects.
> Kind of like the Velvet Underground -- by the time anyone paid attention
> it was long since gone.  Later on it was seminal in influencing a later
> generation. The people nowadays that call what they do techno, and more
> particular Detroit techno are influenced and informed by the originators,
> but Techno stopped being 'TECHNO' when it spread beyond a very exclusive
> scene that only really involved a few hundred people in and around
> Detroit.
>
> Which isn't to say that good music in the dance idiom stopped in 1990 --
> it's just not the same thing. There's a global dance culture that has
> as much to do with fashion and pills as it does with music, and thousands
> of people producing music on every continent, each with their own agenda.
>
> About trance: I've seen a couple of trance DJs that I really liked, and
> it was because they have taste and seek out interesting things outside the
> mainstream. The real problem with trance is the same problem with things
> like filter house, drum and bass, and two step: Specific, limited
> production tricks and rhythms, that a producer should use once or twice
> and then try something new, become codified and serve as the basis of a
> thousand slight variations, all inferior to the original.  That there's
> a market for all that cheap repetition says something about the
utilitarian
> nature of dance music -- DJs always want something new and slamming, but
> it can't be so new they lose their audience.
>
>
>
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[313] Planet E - designer music

2001-10-20 Thread Maarten Baute
Dear detroit techno lovers,

1 simple question:

on wich ep was Designer Music - Good Girls released?

I have the vol2 (the truth / problemz) and I have the vol. 1 on cd, but it
´s not on the cd either.. maybee the vinyl of designer music vol. 1 is
different than the cd version?

Greets,
Maarten


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[313] juan atkins interview

2001-10-20 Thread marsel


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[313] santos rodriguez

2001-10-20 Thread Maarten Baute
Little question:

is this guy producing under some aliases?
Because cosmic id 001 is the only relase from santos rodriguez i´ve heard
from (and I like it a lot).

Greets,
Maarten


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[313] Re: Top 100 of the 90's

2001-10-20 Thread Courthouse Int'l Audio
Yes! Great release!
That shocked me, people overlooking that M5. 
Wait and see till someone drops the question on this 313 list:
"What was that release on ... minutes in ...'s mix" http://www. 
Hahaha... and C if it's still available...


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> Another recent one
> that i feel got over shadowed by the hype surrounding Jaguar, was Gerald
> Mitchell's release as M5 on Metroplex. Bad timing... i think if it would
> of been released at any other time, M5 could have been huge! Maybe even
> as big as Jaguar...
> To this day whenever i throw it on the decks, guarenteed someones gonna
> come up and ask "What is this?"



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Re: [313] Axis 09

2001-10-20 Thread Arne Weinberg
Correct decision! :-)

Cheers, Arne


"james boylan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
>I'm not sure which one it is...I thinks its Axis 009.  I think I'll take a 
>chance on it.
>
>
>
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arne Weinberg)
>>Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "313 Mailing List" <313@hyperreal.org>
>>Subject: Re: [313] Axis 09
>>Date: 20 Oct 2001 11:07 GMT
>>
>>Hello!
>>
>>Which one do you mean? There's a Axis 009 and a Axis 009b...
>>Axis 009b is released much later and is called "More drama".
>>If you are Mills-addicted like me ;-) I think you need them both.
>>Not the best releases of him but worth a check in every case!
>>
>>Cheers, Arne
>>
>>
>>"james boylan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
>> >Is Axis 09 by Jeff Mills (originally distributed only via Hardwax in 
>>Germany
>> >apparently) worth getting? Track description/rating anyone?
>> >
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Re: [313] Axis 09

2001-10-20 Thread Arne Weinberg
Hello!

Which one do you mean? There's a Axis 009 and a Axis 009b...
Axis 009b is released much later and is called "More drama".
If you are Mills-addicted like me ;-) I think you need them both.
Not the best releases of him but worth a check in every case!

Cheers, Arne


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>Is Axis 09 by Jeff Mills (originally distributed only via Hardwax in Germany 
>apparently) worth getting? Track description/rating anyone?
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[313] Axis 09

2001-10-20 Thread james boylan
Is Axis 09 by Jeff Mills (originally distributed only via Hardwax in Germany 
apparently) worth getting? Track description/rating anyone?


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RE: [313] technology

2001-10-20 Thread Brendan Nelson
| -Original Message-
| From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: 20 October 2001 04:11
|
| >>Trance in its roots was a marketing tool to identify techno with melody
|
| That's a real shame that the definition of "techno" had degraded that
| quickly in the early 90s, don't you think?

In the UK and Europe at least, the "2 Unlimited Effect" (with their "techno
techno techno techno!" chorus) had an inestimably damaging impact on the
definition of "techno". In fact, the word was a laughing stock among anyone
but the initiates. Everyone had to go to great lengths here to distance
themselves from 2 Unlimited, and would refer themselves to fans of
"intelligent techno", "idm", "ambient techno", "ambient trance" but never
"techno" itself.

I think that nowadays there is a high awareness among lay people of what
techno is and how it differs from trance, house and the like. But even in
the mid-1990s, you couldn't define your favourite music as "techno" at all
without people laughing and singing you the 2 Unlimited chorus again -
"techno techno techno techno!"

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[313] Re: Techno for funerals

2001-10-20 Thread Melody Ng

The entire Red Planet 4 EP

And a party for my wake playing my entire collection.



Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:33:15 +0200
To: 313@hyperreal.org
From: Roland van Oorschot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Techno for funerals

Oi!

Which techno track do you want to be played at your funeral?
My last wish would be: The Martian & Model 500 - Search your Feelings
(RedPlanet-4)

R.
(hey...just asking!)


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Re: [313] Techno for funerals

2001-10-20 Thread nathan goode
mine would be

it's a shame - bfc(carl craig)
and then - it is what it is - derrick may - my fav track ever.

peace

nath

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> Many years ago I went to the funeral of a friend who died at the age of 18.
> They played 'Song to the Siren' by This Mortal Coil in the church.  It was
> astonishing, just extraordinary.  A few weeks ago, I went to a wedding in
> Ireland and it accompanied the bride into the chapel.  And it worked.
>
> When my mum died I asked them to play 'Fly me to the Moon' by Sinatra.  Smiles
> with tears all round, which is what funerals have to be about.
>
> Me, I'd have 'Search Your Feelings' (like a ton of others on the list)
>
> Paul
>
> diana potts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 10/19/2001 10:26:40 PM
>
> To:   313@hyperreal.org
> cc:(bcc: Paul Matheson/US/BBHComm)
>
> Subject:  RE: [313] Techno for funerals
>
> the world "funeral" wouldn't be used. It's like the
> term wedding...it leads to heartburn and uncomfortable
> shoes. It would be done Jim Henson style: complete
> celebration of life.
>
> The house tune "It's a lovely day, and the sun is
> shining..." would be played, along with Al Green, some
> Aretha and of course "Forever in Blue Jeans" by my
> Neil. I want the full on gospel choir too and
> traditional Jewish celebration tunes. Long Island Iced
> Ts and Cosmos given at the door.
>
> There would be a(n optional) bowling game
> aftwards...with prizes.
>
> sorry..i got carried away.
>
> --- Geoffrey Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > For my funeral, I think that I would like a few
> > things played
> >
> > on the techno tip (well, i guess that these are
> > arguably not techno):
> >
> > mysteries of science - the wake (maybe for my wake,
> > that is)
> >
> > and various songs off of
> >
> > aphex twin - selected ambient works vol 2
> >
> > on the not-so techno/not so somber tip:
> >
> > a live rendition of when the saints come marching in
> > (and other dixiland
> > greats)
> >
> > -geoff
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Re: [313] technology

2001-10-20 Thread MARC DOUGLAS CHRISTENSEN
Kent-

would you forward my reply to the list?  my last several posts haven't gone 
through.  thanks, -marc 

the inestimable Kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:
>Well real Detroit techno was over before it started in some respects.
>Kind of like the Velvet Underground -- by the time anyone paid attention
>it was long since gone.  

mostly true -- by the time it drew critical attention -- hell, even by the time 
of the music institute, the youth scene -- the under-21 scene that was the 
audience for the sound --- had changed so much that an affinity for techno (or 
progressive house, or whatever) seemed almost a throwback.

>but Techno stopped being 'TECHNO' when it spread beyond a very exclusive
>scene that only really involved a few hundred people in and around
>Detroit.

CORRECTION: Given that techno wasn't applied to the sound until '88, when it 
was applied specifically in order to market the sound abroad, you *should* say 
that Techno only *began* being techno by turning away from the scene that 
produced it.

(it used to be known as a whole raft of things, but the most common i remember 
from high school circa '83-'87 was detroit house)

as for the "few hundred people" estimate -- it's higher, but certainly not 
arguably larger than 20,000, unless you add in Chicago's scene and its audience 
for Detroit product.  And even my highball figure of 20,000 (over seven years 
of adversity, with the sound "trapped" in two midwestern cities) certainly 
can't compare to the DEMF attendance.

history, folks, history.
-marc

PS I've got to get off web-based terminal emulation programs.  my emails 
*never* make it to the list!
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Re: [313] technology

2001-10-20 Thread Kent williams
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Dan Sicko wrote:
> >>Trance in its roots was a marketing tool to identify techno with melody
> 
> That's a real shame that the definition of "techno" had degraded that 
> quickly in the early 90s, don't you think?
> 
Well real Detroit techno was over before it started in some respects.
Kind of like the Velvet Underground -- by the time anyone paid attention
it was long since gone.  Later on it was seminal in influencing a later
generation. The people nowadays that call what they do techno, and more
particular Detroit techno are influenced and informed by the originators,
but Techno stopped being 'TECHNO' when it spread beyond a very exclusive
scene that only really involved a few hundred people in and around
Detroit.

Which isn't to say that good music in the dance idiom stopped in 1990 --
it's just not the same thing. There's a global dance culture that has
as much to do with fashion and pills as it does with music, and thousands
of people producing music on every continent, each with their own agenda.

About trance: I've seen a couple of trance DJs that I really liked, and 
it was because they have taste and seek out interesting things outside the 
mainstream. The real problem with trance is the same problem with things
like filter house, drum and bass, and two step: Specific, limited
production tricks and rhythms, that a producer should use once or twice
and then try something new, become codified and serve as the basis of a 
thousand slight variations, all inferior to the original.  That there's
a market for all that cheap repetition says something about the utilitarian
nature of dance music -- DJs always want something new and slamming, but
it can't be so new they lose their audience.




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RE: [313] Techno for funerals

2001-10-20 Thread paul . matheson


Many years ago I went to the funeral of a friend who died at the age of 18.
They played 'Song to the Siren' by This Mortal Coil in the church.  It was
astonishing, just extraordinary.  A few weeks ago, I went to a wedding in
Ireland and it accompanied the bride into the chapel.  And it worked.

When my mum died I asked them to play 'Fly me to the Moon' by Sinatra.  Smiles
with tears all round, which is what funerals have to be about.

Me, I'd have 'Search Your Feelings' (like a ton of others on the list)

Paul




diana potts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 10/19/2001 10:26:40 PM

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Subject:  RE: [313] Techno for funerals





the world "funeral" wouldn't be used. It's like the
term wedding...it leads to heartburn and uncomfortable
shoes. It would be done Jim Henson style: complete
celebration of life.

The house tune "It's a lovely day, and the sun is
shining..." would be played, along with Al Green, some
Aretha and of course "Forever in Blue Jeans" by my
Neil. I want the full on gospel choir too and
traditional Jewish celebration tunes. Long Island Iced
Ts and Cosmos given at the door.

There would be a(n optional) bowling game
aftwards...with prizes.

sorry..i got carried away.


--- Geoffrey Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> For my funeral, I think that I would like a few
> things played
>
> on the techno tip (well, i guess that these are
> arguably not techno):
>
> mysteries of science - the wake (maybe for my wake,
> that is)
>
> and various songs off of
>
> aphex twin - selected ambient works vol 2
>
> on the not-so techno/not so somber tip:
>
> a live rendition of when the saints come marching in
> (and other dixiland
> greats)
>
> -geoff
>
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RE: [313] Techno for funerals

2001-10-20 Thread diana potts

the world "funeral" wouldn't be used. It's like the
term wedding...it leads to heartburn and uncomfortable
shoes. It would be done Jim Henson style: complete
celebration of life.

The house tune "It's a lovely day, and the sun is
shining..." would be played, along with Al Green, some
Aretha and of course "Forever in Blue Jeans" by my
Neil. I want the full on gospel choir too and
traditional Jewish celebration tunes. Long Island Iced
Ts and Cosmos given at the door.

There would be a(n optional) bowling game
aftwards...with prizes.

sorry..i got carried away.


--- Geoffrey Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> For my funeral, I think that I would like a few
> things played
> 
> on the techno tip (well, i guess that these are
> arguably not techno):
> 
> mysteries of science - the wake (maybe for my wake,
> that is)
> 
> and various songs off of
> 
> aphex twin - selected ambient works vol 2
> 
> on the not-so techno/not so somber tip:
> 
> a live rendition of when the saints come marching in
> (and other dixiland 
> greats)
> 
> -geoff
> 
> 
>
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RE: [313] technology

2001-10-20 Thread DJ Entropy
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>From:  FC3 Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>and i wanna hear how experimental and techno your spinning happy hard core
>is...

Well, considering I barely spin "happy" hardcore, here:

http://www.warblevx.net/djentropy/sets/DJ_Entropy_-_Live_At_Infernal_Bass_(M
anchesterNH)_3-10-01.mp3

http://www.warblevx.net/djentropy/sets/NEHardcoreRadio-7-30-01-DJEntropy.mp3

http://www.warblevx.net/djentropy/sets/DJ_Entropy_-_Live_At_Higher_(Lexingto
nKY)_2-2-01.mp3



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>> Sent:Friday, October 19, 2001 2:52 AM
>> To:  Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit
>> Subject: RE: [313] technology
>> 
>> ---Original Message---
>> 
>> >>all i have to say is who else has ventured out into the land of
>> >>experimantation like hawtin has on the closer to the edit CD??
>> 
>> Link anywhere?
>> 
>> I wanna hear just how "experimental" hawtin suppossedly is.
>> 
>> heh.
>> 
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>>   "There is no ONE right way to live" - Daniel Quinn
>>"Educate the narrow minds, they see what they want to see.  Educate
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Re: [313] technology

2001-10-20 Thread Phonopsia
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From: "Dan Sicko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [313] technology


> >>Trance in its roots was a marketing tool to identify techno with melody
>
> That's a real shame that the definition of "techno" had degraded that
> quickly in the early 90s, don't you think?
>
> -d

Point taken. How could I put it better??? That trance was a marketing tool
used by the uninititated to distinguish ethereal techno from "rave" and from
harder Detroit/Berlin techno??? I mean - obviously the distinction becomes
blurred because the point is that there was no consistency in the
application of the label. I'm not trying to reinstitute the co-option of all
melodic techno of that era under the guise of trance. Rather, I'm trying to
point out that a CD buying audience was more likely to be introduced to
techno at the time b/c that's what was compiled most often, and it was
marketed as trance in a hodgepodge. Like the afforementioned 69 and Dark
Comedy tracks, Balil, Sun Electric, Thomas Fehlmann, etc. All of it was
(mis)labeled trance, at least in some corners, and we can only disregard
that label with the benefit of hindsight. But maybe the point is that none
of us outsiders knew what trance was in '93? I didn't intend to diminish the
existant melodic techno of that era. If it wasn't for In Order to Dance Vol.
V, I may not have ever discovered techno and that it is "in fact" a techno
compilation, then often filed under "trance". The only pointer I had to
techno through domestic channels was the NovaMute repress of "the techno
sound of Berlin". The Pow-Wow Trance Waveform Transmissions didn't clear
things up for me any... My first taste of "techno" in 1990 came from the
Belgian "This is the New Beat" compilations, and I was later told through
313 that they were rip-offs. I'm trying to point out the co-option and how
most people don't jump into techno at purity ground-zero. In the early-mid
90s, communication channels were not so established as they are today, and
more people lived in isolation from the hotbeds of innovation. You consumed
what you could find, and what you were fed was "trance" - even if wasn't in
actuality. Of course, this is the 90's newcomer's dialogue, not the early
initaites, who had found what they were looking for already and can easilly
dismiss the rest.

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RE: [313] Astralwerks - Detroit Beyond the 3rd Wave LP

2001-10-20 Thread FC3 Richards
it is pretty difficult to get this record.  i had to get mine off of e-bay
for $6 USD plus $4.50 shipping and handling.  But it has been out of print
for a couple of years now, as far as i know.  they could haver repressed it
without telling me though...
jeff

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> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 8:15 AM
> To:   313@hyperreal.org
> Subject:  [313] Astralwerks - Detroit Beyond the 3rd Wave LP
> 
> Does anyone know if the LP - Detroit: Beyond The Third Wave (Claude Young,
> K 
> Hand, DJ T1000, Terence Dixon, etc.) on Astralwerks (ASWLP 6170)  which
> was 
> originally released in 1996, recently got repressed (or did it)??? cos
> there 
> are copies of these popping up in a local record store also it is
> available 
> on Juno... they are charging 14 pounds or AUD$60 for this LP, I don't
> really 
> know how hard is it to get this LP and is it really worth the money to get
> 
> it?
> 
> cheers,
> EVGNT
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RE: [313] technology

2001-10-20 Thread FC3 Richards
and i wanna hear how experimental and techno your spinning happy hard core
is...

> -Original Message-
> From: DJ Entropy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 2:52 AM
> To:   Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit
> Subject:  RE: [313] technology
> 
> ---Original Message---
> 
> >>all i have to say is who else has ventured out into the land of
> >>experimantation like hawtin has on the closer to the edit CD??
> 
> Link anywhere?
> 
> I wanna hear just how "experimental" hawtin suppossedly is.
> 
> heh.
> 
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>   "There is no ONE right way to live" - Daniel Quinn
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RE: [313] Techno for funerals

2001-10-20 Thread Geoffrey Richards


For my funeral, I think that I would like a few things played

on the techno tip (well, i guess that these are arguably not techno):

mysteries of science - the wake (maybe for my wake, that is)

and various songs off of

aphex twin - selected ambient works vol 2

on the not-so techno/not so somber tip:

a live rendition of when the saints come marching in (and other dixiland 
greats)


-geoff


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[313] Top 100 of the 90's

2001-10-20 Thread Gerald
You know it was gonna happen sooner or later.

http://www.Groove.de
Has released their version: Jaguar checks in at #8, sandwiched between
#7 Underworld 'Born Slippy' and #9 The Prodigy 'Firestarter'.

Jaguar would definitely get the #1 vote on my list. Another recent one
that i feel got over shadowed by the hype surrounding Jaguar, was Gerald
Mitchell's release as M5 on Metroplex. Bad timing... i think if it would
of been released at any other time, M5 could have been huge! Maybe even
as big as Jaguar...
To this day whenever i throw it on the decks, guarenteed someones gonna
come up and ask "What is this?"

Cheers!

G

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Re: [313] technology

2001-10-20 Thread Dan Sicko

Trance in its roots was a marketing tool to identify techno with melody


That's a real shame that the definition of "techno" had degraded that 
quickly in the early 90s, don't you think?


-d

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Re: [313] technology

2001-10-20 Thread Phonopsia
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Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [313] technology


> >  Vath's 'Harlequin' 'Robot' & 'Ballet Dancer' <<
>
> now, there's a record I never thought I'd see mentioned on the list.  :)
>
> I think the last "trance" cut that did anything for me was Balil's
> "Nort Route."

All the Balil stuff on trance compilations was a trip, b/c I was getting
into the AI stuff at the same time.

>From most people I've talked to that weren't into the house or techno scenes
before '92ish, trance wasn't generally considered a bad word (until around
96 or 97), once it became codified in its current form(s). Until then, I
think the German "trance" producers did the most to keep it fresh, and
really just a variant on techno with an ethereal edge. People like Ralph
Hildenbeutel (sp?) and Oliver Lieb always pushed things a little more than
Sven Vath and Paul Van Dyk. For instance, there's an album called The Ambush
by Oliver Lieb that's really aggresive and focused on percussion. All of
that is just to speak to the trance end of the trance spectrum, b/c you also
had techno appearing with trance on trance compilations and mixes back then.
Trance in its roots was a marketing tool to identify techno with melody, and
it wound up encompasing everything from The Orb to Mills (note his releases
on Pow Wow Trance). It seems like people employed it with the same
all-encompasing confusion that people often use techno in the broad sense.

It seems to me that The UK trance of the early-mid 90s had more to do with
its eventual form than anything else. It seemed to develop out of acid,
substituting pretty synth melodies for abrasive 303s. Mixmaster Morris used
to make this type of stuff, pre-global chillage, and the whole Rising High
trance really set the blueprint for what was to stay in trance IMO. Back
then it wasn't so objectionable. It was just a unique strain of techno.

For all the trance bashing that goes on today, we can't forget how many
people use(d) it as a stepping stone to techno. With all the crap we're
indoctrinated with at young ages, we *almost* need trance or progressive
music to ease people in. Almost... I guess I just have a hard time going off
the deep-end about trance anymore, when I've seen so many people (myself
included) embrace some form of it along the way to wherever their tastes
wind up in the present. I also think it's imperative to draw a line between
early trance and codified trance b/c they came from such different places.

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[313] Re: K Hand - (was: Astralwerks - Detroit Beyond the 3rd Wave LP)

2001-10-20 Thread Greg Earle
> "Come On Now Baby" from the "Detroit: Beyond the Third Wave" comp is my
> favorite K Hand track ever.  Really slamming dancefloor production and a
> gritty, nagging vocal hook.  I've got some of her other stuff, including the
> new LP on Tresor, and haven't really heard anything I liked as much as that.
> Any suggestions on good K Hand stuff, perhaps in the vein of that track?

I loved her "Ready For The Darkness" album, and her "On A Journey" album
was quite good, too.  Kelli's another of my "Proof-that-Girls-rule!" data
points  :-)

- Greg (who'd like to publically thank Dan Sicko for finding the
pic sleeve "The Beginning" on eBay for me.  I won!  Yay.)

P.S. Are there any Technotourist events of interest in Madrid?  US Airways
 has an insane deal from LA to Madrid (US $295 r/t) from now 'til Nov. 8.



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Re: [313] Re: matrix + strobe

2001-10-20 Thread et machina

> The convextion releases are great, but it's not by
> Sean. I also hear there are upcoming releases by
> Convextion coming out on a label called down low
> music. ;)

Are you really sure it is not by Sean?
At smallfish they said it was Sean Deason.. but anyway..


haha...no they are wrong.
matrix was just sean deason's label. convextion is a cattle wrassler from 
texas

and we run down low :P
jt



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